Carrie Fisher Had Heroin, Ecstasy and Cocaine in Her System

I mean laced with.

Quelle suprise. I never knew why people paid so much attention to this nasty, fucked up, talentless bitch. There was something creepy and evil about her.

Suicide

R2 has issues.

R2: Said it all. She was always a nasty, drugged-up freak.

There was a video of her buying coke from a dealer. And she couldn't even wait to get home to snort it. She was furiously snorting it in the car.

That was within a year of her death.

You could tell how uncomfortable she was with the new SW trilogy and having to appear in it. So much she couldn't even make it to the third film.

No one should live past 60 anyways. She went right on time. Had quite a lot of fun and was deeply loved.

I believe she was actually buying oxycodone, and crushing it up to snort it.

What Carrie Fisher did in her personal life was her business and I couldn't care less. Her talent as a writer and comedienne entertained me and for that I'm happy.

R9 how do you know?

The new biography of her is fascinating and heart-breaking. She was an extremely intelligent person (with little formal education) and a talented writer and raconteur. Loyal and generous to friends and family. But a tragic mess at managing her own life.

Candyflip speedball. It gets the best of them.

Seems like a George Michael situation - not exactly a drug death but the drugs destroyed the heart. Fine that she had fun but I’m surprised how hard the drugs were. That’s some serious stuff - heroin! At 60!

I'd never heard that she was nasty. It wasn't nice to out John Travolta in a magazine article, though. That could certainly be described as nasty.

Well, it wasn't my section, so I don't know where she got anything.

R2 Probably because they liked her mother. Carrie was nothing but an ugly train wreck.

Ecstasy? At her age?

She was a successful spinoff of a KardashIan-level drama.

R15 honey, she didn’t “out” anyone, we all knew he was gay.

It’s sad when people barely outlive their parents. It seems like Reynolds’ death contributed to Fisher’s unraveling. A friend of mine (whose mother was also in the industry) outlived her mother by only a couple of years. That’s the last thing any parent would want, but grief is hardly rational.

[Quote] honey, she didn’t “out” anyone, we all knew he was gay.

Randoms on the internet aren't comparable to Hollywood royalty.

[Quote] It seems like Reynolds’ death contributed to Fisher’s unraveling.

Check the chronology.

She had to lose weight for the SW roles somehow.

She was a fantastic writer and had a unique perspective on the world.

I still think it's morbidly amusing that her mom upstaged her even in death.

R21 Carrie died before Debbie.

R24, My skirt accidentally TWIRLED UP!

Such a sad sad story.

I saw Rogue One in theaters less than two hours after hearing about her death. Seeing the CGI recreation they did of her was so morbid and sad.

It’s like she was bipolar or something.

A druggie to the end. And still doing the hard stuff at her age. I guess when it came to being clean and sober she was hopeless.

She wasn't that hopeless if she managed to get to 60. And lbr, she was more productive than Todd.

From what I remember about Wishful Drinking I don’t think she was able to stay sober for more than a handful of years at a time. The daughter had to be almost entirely raised by her father

Catherine Hickland got along with her and Debbie.

I miss her. I didn't know she was using again. But she had to lose weight for Star Wars. It just sucks. I loved her.

So if they never rebooted Star Wars, she would still be alive. She wouldn’t have had to lose the weight.

The mom from 7th Heaven?

Gives lie to the rosy myth of the suddenly sober addict. My experience is it’s rarely black and white. Relapsing into the life - then straightening up again. Not surpassing - but would have been enlightening and educational for people to know. Too many addicts are sold the “go to rehab and get clean” myth. It’s so much more complicated and gray than that.

^not surprising

She was just a privileged Hollywood degenerate. She was the worst thing in Star Wars and that's quite an accomplishment. Never liked her.

R26 You weren't wearing any underwear

She should have become pals with Whitney Houston. Both druggies till the end.

I've only seen the first Star Wars movie, so I can't say I'm a fan of the series, nor was I a fan of Fisher's, but I read the recent biography out of curiosity. I then watched with documentary Fisher Stevens made of her and her mom. Perhaps because my mom always hated Debbie Reynolds -- my mom had more edge, and thought DR was to "cutesy poo" -- I have actually never seen a Debbie Reynolds movie, nor was aware of the level of her fame. But...I got tired of Fisher trotting out her family history and milking it for all it was worth. I simply don't care about Eddie Fisher or Debbie Reynolds, or their celebrity offspring just because they are children of celebrities. Carrie wrote some amusing lines and stories, but none of what she said or did felt sincere; everything felt like an act, like she was always putting on a show. There is a scene in the documentary where she greets Griffin Dunn with an elaborate and lengthy song; damn, girl, why not just say hello? Does everything have to be a performance? And this might get me flamed, but I sometimes felt that she was using her mental illness diagnosis as an excuse to indulge in drugs. I have several family members who are bi polar and/or paranoid schizophrenic, and none of them have indulged in drugs, nor tried to use their illness to excuse bad behavior. After reading the book, I understood Carrie Fisher more, but I didn't like her any more than I did before I read the book.

Carrie didn't pretend that she never relapsed. When she talked about ECT, she referenced when it happened.

Are you suggesting Carrie Fisher wasn't mentally ill? That she got ECT as part of a strategy to do more drugs?

"She wasn't that hopeless if she managed to get to 60."

She was hopeless when it came to staying off drugs. And she was 60 but she might as well have been eighty. That HBO special about her and Debbie Reynolds showed her hobbling around like a crippled old lady.

Carrie looked 80. Her mother looked better.

Her mother was Debbie Reynolds, though. Debbie looked better than most people.

I'm old enough to remember Janis Joplin. But not her death. Was it a big surprise when died OD'd? Or was it kind of expected? We didn't have social media in October 1970, so not that many people knew she was a full blown junkie in 1969 and went to Brazil to clean up in early 1970.

[Quote] She was hopeless when it came to staying off drugs.

And yet she achieved so much. She got back on track time and time again. That's inspirational, no?

R49 No.

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"That's inspirational, no?"

It would have been inspirational if she'd kicked drugs and stayed off of them. She was physically infirm from all the abuse but still couldn't keep her hands off the stuff. And it finally killed her, an oh boy, was she fucked up at the end! Heroin, ecstasy and cocaine. A life of drugs and a death from drugs, no matter what age it happens, is not "inspirational."

But she didn't only do drugs. She kept working. Why do you deny that? She made her own money.

I was very sad and shocked when Carrie died. I miss her. I adored her stories and humor while telling them.

I bet that rumor of her banging Ben Affleck back when he was hot is true. Good job, Carrie.

She looked good in Scream 3.

had she not been debbies kid, she would have been a streetwalker of the gutters....

(R36). that's Catherine Hicks.

lezzie?

This thread is overflowing with ignorance and begging for compassion toward all addicts.

Addicts are fucked up, miserable people — they are broken humans, as are you. But their struggles are more complex, for example, having a mental illness combined with addiction is no picnic. Some of you will someday do something extremely fucked up, and we will all be here when you post a thread asking for advice.

Sidebar — many addicts are highly intelligent, humorous, colorful people who bring a layer of wit and sarcasm to relationships or performances that make us howl with laughter. That alone makes me love them.

Sure, Carrie was a train wreck when it came to her addiction. But are you to judge? You think you’re life is more worthy, more valuable than someone like Carrie? Utterly fucking ridiculous and naive. Live a little longer toots.

Carrie, you were a cunty druggie, I loved you for that. You were a true broad, and I’m sad you are no longer here. May you live on through your work. And I loved the decór of your home.

^^* RAGING les r59, obviously.

agnes moorhead and Debbie.....fuk buddys for ages? so the rumor goes

I loved Carrie for many of the aforementioned reasons listed. She was witty, talented, and had a perspective on the world that was truly unique, smart, and humorous. Yes, she was an addict who suffered from mental illness. We all get dealt certain cards. Some of us aren't beset with such stumbling blocks (obviously, some of us aren't "blessed" with being born into money and the spotlight, if that's a blessing). Some are able to better manage their demons, and somehow admirably get through them and move on. It's not easy, of course. But, it's not achievable for every single person. Her life was a struggle and she documented the whole way that made her very real and made me feel less alone in the world. An intelligent, empathetic person can appreciate her and celebrate her for her strengths and what she had to offer, without ignoring that she had problems.

My whole life has been one cycle of falling off the horse and getting back on. Will it just continue like that until I die? Maybe. Maybe not. I keep working at it. Will I finally stay on and/or figure out a better way? Maybe. Maybe not. But, I'm thankful that I have people who love, support, and cheer me on, and find value in what I have to offer them. And just because they do doesn't make them enablers.

Posted: 9:09 AM, Jun 19, 2017 Updated: 5:27 PM, Dec 27, 2019

Thanks for a two year old story. But forevermore, Christmastime is Carrie Fisher time.

She admitted she had bipolar disorder.

R6 That was when Carrie had to lose a bunch of weight for the Star Wars sequel. As she said, they wanted her -- 1/3 of her.

That final book she wrote (Princess Diaries) was depressing. On and on about her falling in love with Harrison Ford in England while shooting the original Star Wars. He was married and it was obvious that it was a "crime of opportunity" for Ford. I understand that she was young, but why make such a big deal (a whole book) about it?

That was because she longed for Penny Marshall and knew she could never haver her.

R66, th hat book wasnt just about her fling with Ford, is was about the Star Wars experience as a whole. Shooting the films, nailing the hottest guy there, creating Princess Leia, dealing with early fame and early has-been-hood, her experiences with the fans, et .

Fun book, if very slight. Altjough her teenage diaries from the time of the first were the worst thing I ever read in my life, but at least there was only a couple of pages of that shit.

She always came across as both a warm-hearted and interesting actor. For those that called her "ugly" or unattractive - millions of fans would disagree. Her sexy role in Episode VI – Return of the Jedi made her into an overnight pin-up girl for basically every straight man of the early 1980s. I have anecdotally noticed throughout 40 years (well, 35 as a baby can't really way in for such matters) of observations that the UGLY do try to tear down the beautiful (women more often than men, but it always trends this direction..). I know a 350 lb. woman who does nothing but trash talk everyone else's flaws. She doesn't realize that EVERYONE talks smack about her ugliness behind her back - mostly because she has the audaciousness to talk about any other person's shortcomings. Also, let's face it - she is an ugly bitch. What if she were she a sweet person? Likely they would overlook her hideous looks and instead see the good in her. You all make your own bed..

weigh in - sorry

[quote] Sure, Carrie was a train wreck when it came to her addiction. But are you to judge? You think you’re life is more worthy, more valuable than someone like Carrie?

Well, I know the difference between your and you’re. So there’s that.

R66 Harrison looked very attractive when he was young. I fully understand her. Why are the hot men of hollywood so stupid? Event today they marry at such a young age and have children in their 20s. I don't like him, but George Clooney was very smart about this. I think every hot male star should get a vasectomy and should make a very careful decision who he is going to marry or has intercourse with. After all, I once read an article about a survey that 42% of women would lie about birth control in oder to get pregnant.

Harrison and Carrie would have made such a cute couple and she would still be alive. I'd have taken drugs too if I came too late and Harrison was already taken + children. Ugh.

I don't think it's stupid to have kids in your 20s, if you can afford them. How much nicer is it to be 20 and have a 40 year old parent than a 60 year old parent? A young parent (again, if they're in a solid place financially) gets to enjoy their child's youth AND the child gets to enjoy their parents' youth. The latter really is a gift.

[Quote] Harrison and Carrie would have made such a cute couple and she would still be alive.

Carrie just needed the love of a good man?

R74 of course. Not everyone is a brain damaged feminist who thinks that living with cats until you die makes you happy. The fact that she was still writing about him in her book years later tells a lot.

R73 Not what I'm talking about. It's great when two people in their 20s have kids when they BOTH planned them and wanted them. However, there are many cases of gold digging hoes just looking out for child support and having children by 3 different men. I am always suspicious when young, rich and attractive men are already a parent, especially when there is a divorce/break up just a few months after the child was born. Most of the time the child was created because the mother wanted to "save the relationship". Poor children and poor men getting involved in the decisions of narcissistic women. Otherwise I agree with you.

Ecstacy and Coke? fuck...she played hard.I had a friend who did that and his heart exploded.

No big deal .........

Just another "accidental" overdose.

Saw her one woman show which was hilarious and made funnier by all the women of a certain age in the audience rehashing the Eddie Fisher betrayal. She may have exploited her life, but was funnier and more interesting than say, Corey Feldman or any number of other professional freak shows.

She had periodic ECT to manage her underlying mood disorder, which is an extreme approach but probably worked better than meds. Her other additctions probably rendered anti-depressants worthless.

It just blows me away that someone that age is taking that shit. Your body just isn't strong enough. I just wonder if she just care anymore. I really liked Carrie. I felt is was a survivor. I felt betrayed when she died. And then Debbie dies right after. It makes me sad 😭😭😭😭😭

Yeah - the hard drugs are a shocker. Any one of them. But all 3!! That was some hard living. She must have had some sense end was coming.

I knew she was a goner as soon as she signed on for more Star Wars movies. If she couldn’t handle it as a sprightly young 20something why would doing a more extreme version 35 years later be any different? Sad.

It's a lot harder to get off (and STAY off) drugs than a lot of people in this thread are aware of.

That goes for anyone. But especially in an industry like hers.

R11 Educated speculation. Coke really isn't a "buy it in the middle of the day and snort it as soon as you get it" drug. Opiates very much are.

Yeah - I assume anyone who has ever done heroin is at high risk of relapse. One of those drugs that I feel like if you ever take it, you’re a goner. And I’ve tried a lot of drugs.

For Christ's sake will Muriel ban the Fuk Troll already? We have enough infiltration from Lipstick Alley as it is. He adds nothing to any thread and his comments are mind numbingly stupid and pointless.

She didn't die explicitly from the drugs tho. She died from the way she sat on airplanes and a blood clot.

R75, if Carrie was writing about Ford all those years later, I dont assume it was because he was the love of her life. I assume she knew that a book about that relationship would sell, and she'd rather sell books than do more autograph conventions.

Honestly, the relationship she described in "Princess Diaries" didnt sound all that fun, lots of weekends where he said nothing and she desperately tried to get his attention. The happiest moment she described wasnt romantic, it was when she made him laugh for once.

The last decade or so of her life it was very clear that she was off the wagon — even still, I would have guessed that she was on maybe one of those drugs, not all three. Hardcore til the bitter end.

If there was one period where I was to guess she was (at least relatively) clean I would say it was the late 80s/early 90s around the time of When Harry Met Sally. She seemed the most together and sharp then and looked her best imo (I love her in When Harry Met Sally).

I knew someone who grew up on the Eldorado and he said at one point everyone knew her to be bringing practically another man up with her every night (sounds consistent with her bipolar behavior). He’s around my age (I’m 42) so I don’t know if this was going on when he was 8 or 18 (I was told this story around 2000 or so).

It’s sad that — as prone to addiction as she already was — she got into drugs even more heavily because she was trying to lose weight. It’s sad to think how many women in this business, even if they never overdosed and never had a full blown eating disorder, shaved years off their life because they either got into drugs as an initial way to lose weight (why most of them start to begin with), or lived on some kind of cigarette/coffee/chewing gum sort of diet to keep their weight down. Makes me sad and a little angry.

Yeah, I suspect that being pressured to lose a shit-ton of weight had a lot to do with her early death. An unhealthy diet regimen is hard on the heart, and in Hollywood, well, there was always the temptation to go back to the marching powders like so many actresses.

I suppose she'd have been better off turning down the "Star Wars" films, but the fact is nobody chooses their health over a good job that could lead to more good jobs, when they need money.

r71, I am extremely embarrassed I mistyped your/re, I walked right into your response. I need to practice spelling more often, so here I go — you’RE a C.U.N.T.

Is that why was she always making that fish lips face?

R47 Debbie had nothing to do with the fact that Carrie looked like an old hag at barely 60.

Or she could have told them to fuck off, R35, and not sign for the trilogy. Or she could have told them to take her fat or not at all. She had choices and by that time, clout. Still, it is sad.

R85-a friend who's a pharmacologist said heroin and cocaine are nasty. You take either just once, and they permanently alter the pathways in your brain. That's why they're both so hard to kick.

R2 So says the Sith Lord Palpatine.

r95, is that true for all opioids or just heroin?

I love you and miss you, Carrie ♥️

It hilarious how some people try to rationalize Carrie Fisher's life of drugs and pathetic death from same: "So what if she did drugs! So what if it killed her! She was funny and witty and accomplished more during her lifetime more than you ever will!" Blah, blah, blah. Well, the fact is that she was fucked up from drugs most of her life and could never stop using them and finally one of her binges (heroin, cocaine ecstasy...I think most anybody would dropped dead from that combination) killed her. Hard to find any rationality in a situation like that.

But stuff like that gets said after some famous person buys the farm from drugs. The writer Lucy Grealy, whose face was disfigured from childhood cancer of the jaw, wrote a popular memoir about her experiences. At the end of her memoir she appears to have come to some form of peace with herself. Actually it was far from it. She became a drug addict; addicted to prescription drugs and heroin. She had a lot of enabling friends and she died of a heroin overdose at age 39. The writer Ann Patchett, one of her enabling friends, later said that well, she lived a lot longer than anyone expected (she survived childhood cancer), and she accomplished a lot in the time she was alive, and it's what how much you accomplish in your life that counts not how many years you live, blah, blah, blah. Same old shit. At the end Grealy was broke, jobless, a heroin addict and homeless; she died alone in an apartment in New York a friend was letting her live in. And Patchett was trying to put a positive spin on THAT. But that's what some admirers of people who die of drug overdoses do; try to make it seem better by looking on the bright side.

Cocaine is not hard to quit. It's barely addictive. It's just hard to stop your current run. Heroin calls your name for years to come.

Was she shooting up??

I always knew doing more Star Wars films would push her over the edge, especially after they demanded she lose weight.

Why was her nose twice as big in the last film?

Were there any eyewitness reports from the plane? Was she asleep in her seat? Did she fall to the floor?

R99: "it's what how much you accomplish in your life"

Persevering despite the demons--even for just a spell--is something I personally admire. Digging in and finding that strength is just as much to celebrate as you think pointing out the weaknesses which continually bring them down, and sometimes permanently because somehow they are 100% completely responsible for all of the choices they make in life like anyone else who doesn't suffer for mental health issues and/or addiction. How very black and white of you. Life's answers come so simply, don't they?

What are you trying to point out? Do I extend my empathy to the millions of survivors who fight their never-ending battles silently? Is it even possible?

Yeah, I like Fisher for a variety of reasons, and, in part, because she accomplished something, just like anyone else I like who accomplishes something who doesn't have to contend with addiction and mental health issues. But, according to you, we can't celebrate her wit and candor in the face of losing to her demons. You see it and cry out enabling. If I want to judge someone, I prefer to turn my attention to people who are actively assholes and/or have nothing to do but take from this world, adding nothing to society. Each to their own.

Her nose looks very swollen in the photo at R103. Swollen from all that blow she was doing? I think that might be why.

R97-He said cocaine and heroin. He's a Ph.D. who focuses on pharmacology, so I'll take his word on it. Smoke all the weed you want, drop some LSD, dabble in ecstasy, but stay the hell away from those two. They permanently change your brain.

R107 No wonder Whitney acted a fool the last 12 years of her life. SMH.

They might change your brain, R107, but cocaine is not a physiologically addictive drug, You might crave it, but your body doesn't need it the way it would say, heroin.

R109 is correct. There are too many stupid people on Datalounge in 2019. And anyone who thinks that weed, LSD and ecstasy can't permanently change your brain chemistry is very ignorant indeed.

Drugs are fun. That's why people do them. In the beginning. You take your chances.

Weren't there a lot of people in the 60s who took LSD and had brain damage for the rest of their lives, flashbacks and things?

Yeah - Cocaine is nothing like heroin. Appreciate his medical understanding - but I know a lot of people who do or have done cocaine casually for a night every once in a while. Like 1/2 the population of London. I don’t know anyone who Has casually done heroin. Totally different effect and addiction potential.

[quote]she got into drugs even more heavily because she was trying to lose weight...

...she got into drugs even more heavily because she was a drug addict..

Jedi bitch writeress.

Your feeble addictions are no match for the power of the dark side.

She had a guarantee of x number of hours before narcan would be available.

I tried heroin, once, out of curiosity. I seem to not have an addictive personality -- I've tried meth a few times, and don't care to try it again; I even stopped taking massive amounts of opioids after a major surgery with no ill effect -- so I wasn't too worried about the possibility of getting addicted to heroin. I hated the way heroin made me feel, and it is hard to understand why anyone would want to experience that again and again. I tried it before lacing it with fentanyl became common; now I would never try it.

As for LSD causing brain damage....Michael Pollan's latest book -- Changing Your Mind -- is partly about studies using micro-dosing to help people face terminal illnesses. One thing he mentions in the book is that people with a history of mental illness in their family should not do hallucinogens, because the drug could cause a psychotic snap. I got some mushrooms from a friend a while ago, and I was going to try them until I read the book. There is enough mental illness in my family for me to worry about the permanent effect taking the mushrooms might have. But, yes, all drugs will alter your brain in some way. But, then, again, so does everything.

I find it ironic that most of the people squawking about drugs being awful have zero experience with any.

I love Michael Pollen, he’s an amazing person because he isn’t afraid to look at how some of these illegal drugs can actually help humanity. In this I include microdosing with a variety of substances. XTC for example is being used (experimentally of course) in marital therapy, depression, and PTSD; think soldiers, sexual assault victims, survivors of other experiences that cause the mind to be “blocked”. It seems that xtc temporarily lets us take down our blocks and by the time it wears off, the brain doesn’t need to rebuild nor want the blockages back. It’s being very successful in this realm, and must be done in a controlled environment with a trained therapist.

My favorite performance of hers will always be the complex, multilayered role in The Blues Brothers.

For the person who asked about how they found her above------------------------I saw a TV show about it. They said she was asleep in a first class seat with lots of room around it.. Her assistant went to wake her as they were about to land and couldn't.

No she vomited on the plane and went into cardiac arrest. She was given CPR and spent the next 4 days in intensive care. Then they pulled the plug.

Billie Lourd's statement following her mom's autopsy results, shut everyone up, and down, beautifully.

[quote]My mom battled drug addiction and mental illness her entire life. She ultimately died of it. She was purposefully open in all of her work about the social stigmas surrounding these diseases. She talked about the shame that torments people and their families confronted by these diseases. I know my Mom, she’d want her death to encourage people to be open about their struggles. Seek help, fight for government funding for mental health programs. Shame and those social stigmas are the enemies of progress to solutions and ultimately a cure. Love you Momby.

No sympathy for her.

A good kick in the arse and a month shoveling horse shit would work wonders on these druggies.

Hehehehehe

Oh, I'm afraid the intensive care unit will be quite operational when your paramedics arrive.

Love her and her humor- one of the most seriously great wits ever. She was an addict and mentally ill- she was honest about it. It ruined her health and killed her. Very sad and tragic- I had hoped it was behind her. I don’t think it ever was.

The received wisdom in my rehab was that meth was by far the worst in terms of long term health damage . Heroin was a very bad addiction but ‘you could come back from it’. Coke didn’t get a mention because this was a low end rehab, including lots of people on parole.

R60 is really fucked up e romanticizing of drug use. Drug addicts are witty so you love them?

As someone whose live is "more valuable" than Fisher's , I guess I am in a position to judge her.

Her live could have been valuable and she threw it away. She added one-liners to scripts that needed punching up and wrote some mediocre books that no one would have bought if she had not been famous. She got a break by being the daughter of famous people and. it never got further than that. She never dug too deep or was that funny as an actress. She did not do anything that any number of women could have done just as well (or better) and most of them would have built a body of work off of that.

She had success as a writer with her first novel, and then each succeeding book got sloppier and duller after that.

It is sad that mental illness and/or drugs kept her from doing more with her life. And it is sad that she died. But there is no need to pretend that a gift for bitchy one-liners is a life accomplishment. Rather they should have been the foundation of an accomplishment that never happened.

Everything is proceeding as I have forseen. (Laughs)

R126 you underplay her talents within the Hollywood scriptwriting world.

r126

Tell us about your achievements.

Carrie was a Hollywood insider and also not a bullshitter. She was intelligent and role. She had the concentration - even if it was drug fueled - to write and to doctor scripts. Nobody is accusing Carrie of using ghostwriters. Carrie no doubt had her finger on the zeitgeist in ways a more conventional person could not. She surely gave incisive feedback when she was paid to doctor scripts otherwise she wouldn't get that work.

"role" = droll

"Carrie no doubt had her finger on the zeitgeist in ways a more conventional person could not. "

Why would this be? Can you point to any examples?

Terry Gross interviewed her a month before she died. Maybe Carrie just had a really bad cold...

R129, two novels way back. Nine produced screenplays. Three non-fiction books (one is a collection of magazine pieces so you may not want to count that). A few television scripts. About a dozen directed episodes. Four pilots. One full length film and two others in the next 18 months.

Any poster can spout a bunch of random shit.

Let's just stop right now because we all know it's not going to go any further than that.

What inspiration? What legacy?

Her whole thing turned around the two notes of "I'm so brassy and ballsy and fucked up and neurotic doesn't even begin..." and "I'm a hopeless addict," yet others who were one or the other or both managed to leave a legacy of good, original work. I just never thought her two notes added up to anything.

Fisher was amusing, but one note.

[quote]Emporer Palpatine

Oh, dear!

How did she string one note out over decades? She was more than one note.

What was the second note, R139?

What was the first? Let's compare notes.

I think people like the idea of Carrie Fisher, not the work she did.

R134, she didn’t even leave behind a collection of baby catalogue kids. Meh.

[Quote] I think people like the idea of Carrie Fisher, not the work she did.

Nonsense. I used to enjoy her as guest on the Creg Ferguson show. That's just one instance.

What about babyGap catalogs?

R110 and others who claim cocaine has no physiological basis of its addiction - hogwash. The Brain is the Body. The impact of cocaine on neurotransmitters in the brain - producing and uptake in the synapses - is immediate and structurally significant. Yes, it can be used as a one time "run" and left alone. But the neural pathways have been altered permanently, and can be "triggered" easily. Cocaine addiction can be so compelling, and disturbing to thinking, judgement, that it can be compared to few other drugs. The crack epidemic is an example. So altering behavior that an addict (Marvin Gaye) will ask someone to kill him (his father) just to make the drive to get more drugs stop.

Opioids like heroin produce a physical/body dependence. The body needs the chemical not to feel sick. But if clean medicine is received, the heroin addict can function much more than a cocaine addict whose brain is rewired and on a roll.

Having all three in the system is really hardcore. Fisher, who had experienced recovery and sobriety, must have been horribly depressed. Not a happy end to an interesting life.

Thanks, R146-that's exactly what my pharmacologist friend said. I simply did not explain it as elegantly. The neural pathways are permanently altered. You never get a reset with coke and heroin.

[quote]I'm old enough to remember Janis Joplin.

Never heard of her. Who was she then?

Odd because I did coke occasionally in my 20s and 30s and never felt any craving - except for the actual night I did it. I never thought “I need to get some” - it was more that if it was around, it kept me going for a while longer. Never had to even think about stopping - it just didn’t interest me as I got older. TBH, alcohol was worse.

R148 - She was a mere guttersnipe flash in the pan. Died young, but then doesn’t everyone?

"She was more than one note."

Like hell she was. Her schtick was always "I'm very fucked up, mentally ill, a drug addict, but I'm oh so intelligent and witty and funny and interesting. Don't you just love me?" That was her one note.

I'm surprised

I'm surprised

Maybe that was all true?

You’re one note r151.

Actually Carrie Fisher lover at R155, it is you and your ilk that are truly "one note." Your hero worship of the of pathetic druggie Carrie Fisher is so predictable and boring.

How old is she at R157? She looks 80.

What an embarrassment to be the female lead in the most successful movie EVER, and not having a career afterwards. She should have played a next generation princess Leia, destitute, dishelved, nymphmaniac and mentally ill after the loss of the star wars and of her planet. She goes to live with her sister and her brutish mandalorian of a husband, in their tiny, squalid spaceship. There things go from bad to worse, and she ends up being abused, raped, and institutionalized. Now that would have been a career renaissance.

One of apparent things with cocaine is that when you had an addiction then stopped for years,, taking some again, even in much smaller quantities, contributes to rigidifying the heart muscles. You can't make an effort without getting exhausted much faster.

Director Ted Demme (Blow) wasn't a full-on cokehead when he died, but there were small quantities of cocaine found in his system, not enough to overdose, but maybe enough to trigger a heart attack as he was playing basketball. Actually, a few deaths from heart attacks from celebrities in their 40s and 50s can be connected to cocaine as a secondary cause (because of the small amounts) in the toxicology reports.

She did have a career afterwards. Ever heard of "When Harry Met Sally"? Carrie was always more of a second female lead type.

She was also in Drop Dead Fred and Garbo Talks! I loved Garbo Talks!

Oh! Good for her. That must've been her second Oscar then?

R161 She did take a couple of parts, but her actual career was as a behind the scenes screenwriter, the type they call a fixer or a script doctor. She did some uncredited consulting work on the Star Wars prequels, Lethal Weapon 3, Sister Act, The River Wild, The Wedding Singer, Coyote Ugly or Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Of course, there were often other writers involved on the same project, and it's often difficult to know what of her contributions made it to the screen, but these were some highly lucrative gigs which required a few weeks of work, and she was highly in demand for a decade or so.

She was in Hannah and her sisters. She was way better than Dianne Wiest, that whore.

You bitches are forgetting Under the Rainbow.

Good for her!

Carrie was not much of an actress. She was a sitcom sidekick type. I wasn't alive for the first Star Wars films and I don't get her appeal in them at all. She was so fucking SHORT and average looking. How did she get cast in such a big budget film? Anyway, she was more attractive later in her thirties and forties. The cleaner years when she was very sought after for many things. But she was quite lazy and clearly wasted a lot of time, because she had a lot of money and was EVERYONE'S friend in the business. Nice life, wasted. She was a bit like Dorothy Parker, slinging zingers for her supper with not so secret contempt. The messy personal choices after the respectable guests depart.

[quote] How did she get cast in such a big budget film?

Actually, no one involved in the movie thought it would be successful. The sets and costumes looked cheap, and Carrie, the daughter of Hollywood royalty, was embarrassed to be in it, but they were looking for a girl who could handle the weird dialogue, and Carrie had Hollywood connections and was at drama school in London = the fickle English accent. The success of the movie took every one by surprise. Except for the old English guy ( I never watched that crap) they all accepted to disown their image and refused to take a percentage of the profits in exchange of their salary.

She did "consulting work" on a number of films that met with varying levels of success. That is a nice way to make money, but not what most people would consider an accomplished career.

Others have done even more significant script doctoring while also writing works of their own.

Other actors have built careers in supporting roles, but we all forgot she was in When Harry Met Sally and Hannah and Her Sisters. (I still cannot remember what she played in those films.) She was given a great role in Catastrophe, but you cannot watch it without thinking about any number of actors who could have done it better.

The shock is seeing how much media attention she got for such a small body of work.

She was gifted, but seems to have lacked ambition.

She sang in Hannah and Her Sisters. The role was small but she was never forgettable, because of her commanding speaking voice. I think she would have been better in Postcards from the Edge than Meryl to be honest. Carrie did the tough talking sarcastic chick with fear behind her eyes really well. And she could sing in a husky brassy kind of way. I liked her on screen. I just think that Star Wars is what ruined everything for her. Those films suck and you know she hated being only known for them.

A 40 year drug habit does get in the way of ambition R170.

She was very good in Shampoo with Warren. But TBH she would NEVER have had an acting career if she weren't Debbie Reynolds 's daughter.

The original Star Wars films don't suck.

Wooof THEY Do!!! Even 10 yo me stayed away from those stinkers

A person your age at the time was definitely in the minority, then. The original trilogy was damn good entertainment.

R175 I am sorry but this is what then looked like to me then, and still do now

ok, r176.

Both her parents were very talented people(yes they were. See Debbie in A Catered Affair and listen to Fisher sing when he wasn't singing muck) and she wasn't. That must have killed her. And her parents' disastrous marriage breakup was played out in front of the entire world which I assume wasn't helpful. Sweet Debbie was monstrously ambitious so that didn't help and father Eddie was constantly starlet hunting so where was he? An epic dysfunctional family played out in the celestial show biz firmament. Son Todd as well got none of the looks or talent genes but doesn't seem to care. He just lives. Carrie knew that she was basically a nobody who had famous parents. Drugs helped her a lot dealing with a deep sense of worthlessness. Yeah they killed her but who wants to live past 60 anyway? You do because there's no where else to go.

Interesting about the old man taking a percentage. In a Parkinson interview he says he had done it in the past and it had usually not turned out well. So for some reason he does it again for this B science fiction western and it turns into a gusher. He thought it was nice enough when he made it but with its growing success he came to despise it and had no problem telling anyone even small children it was a piece of shit. Which of course it was. When you've starred on the West End and made Ealing comedies and Lean epics Star Wars was like doing a dog food commercial.

Both Hamill and Fisher lived off a one movie for the rest of their lives(before the car accident Hamill really was impossibly cute) but Ford managed a real career.

R172 of course not, but if anything that would have had more to do with her looks than her limited acting range (since people far less talented than her “make it” in Hollywood all the time)

I think was bugs many people about Carrie was her Recovery spiel. She would go on and on about "Recovery" and 12 Steps and all that complete BS, while lying to everyone about her continuing drug usage.

NO, she did not have decades of "sobriety" and "just recently fell off the wagon;" she was hardcore her entire life. Yet she still did the NA/AA lies to the public.

Of course, she has "mental illness" to fall back on as an excuse for her drugging, right?

The Carrie stan here is desperate for us to believe Carrie was buying pills and not cocaine in her infamous drug-buying video from before her death. I guess he thinks pills make Carrie look less disgusting than if she was scoring cocaine and snorting it in her car (which she obviously WAS).

Her hypocrisy is what has tarnished her legacy, not her drug usage.

Just like Amy Winehouse's ridiculous father ranting how his daughter was 100% sober - before the autopsy revealed that she had drunk herself to death. It's all lies.

Her real talent was writing. I think she’s far funnier on page than as a performer (the ‘Wishful Drinking’ book was ten times funnier than the show). She had charisma on screen though, even if she was a real mess off it.

She hit the wall hard and fast after the millennium. Look at her appearance in Scream 3 (2000) and the Wishful Drinking show eight or so years later. Like two different people.

"How did she get cast in such a big budget film? "

I wondered that myself. She wasn't particularly pretty. She had little acting experience. The only thing I can figure is that she had a kind of bitchy quality that maybe George Lucas thought would be suited to the character. At any rate, her acting in "Star Wars" was laughably bad. For some reason she goes in and out of a faux British accent. Maybe she thought that would make her seem more "classy."

R182 The fake British accent is only in the first film. She makes fun of it in her memoir. I think she’s pretty good in the sequels. She had good chemistry with Harrison Ford.

And I think she got cast because everyone Lucas offered to (Jodie Foster included, it I remember correctly) turned it down.

man of these "old folks" started doing drugs back in the sixties and seventies. The Vietnam Era was an introduction to drugs at home and abroad. Once an addict, always an addict. Many never realize that they are bonafide addicts until it's too late.

Sad .........

[quote]He thought it was nice enough when he made it but with its growing success he came to despise it and had no problem telling anyone even small children it was a piece of shit. Which of course it was. When you've starred on the West End and made Ealing comedies and Lean epics Star Wars was like doing a dog food commercial.

That's your opinion. "A piece of shit" wouldn't have become a cultural phenomenon that's lasted for generations.

And only on DL could Carrie Fisher's life be "unaccomplished."

With one movie role, she etched a role not only in cinematic history but in popular culture as well. A lot of prestigious actors who have Oscars and other major awards never achieve that level of success.

Debate it all you want, but it's foolish, because there's nothing to debate.

[quote]She did "consulting work" on a number of films that met with varying levels of success. That is a nice way to make money, but not what most people would consider an accomplished career.

Is Miss Thing with all those alleged accomplishments still plugging away in this thread?

These characters are the most famous characters in film history. Possibly pop culture history as well. Not too shabby an accomplishment.

The weird cruller hairdo made more of an impression than her performance in Star Wars, but it wasn't really a film/s that hinged on acting performances.

"With one movie role, she etched a role not only in cinematic history but in popular culture as well. A lot of prestigious actors who have Oscars and other major awards never achieve that level of success."

Oh shut UP, you stupid asshole. She lucked into a role in a movie that became a successful franchise. ANYONE could have done that. And you compare her to Oscar winners? You are one big fat idiot.

I could never date a guy who watches Star Wars movies. Star Trek, yes. Carrie lucked into a franchise is right. She's no Katniss Everdeen.

Carrie Fischer was good people. Nothing else matters

So why did Sir Alec think it was crap despite making tons of money from it? He could hardly resent it because he got cheated out of a share of the profits. He had every reason to be grateful. Because maybe it really was a piece of shit?

Damn, I can’t believe no-one has mentioned her staunch support of AIDS patients in the 80’s (HIV wasn’t discovered at that time). She opened her home to friends who were ill and was one of the very few celebrities willing to publicly address the crisis. Reagan at the time wouldn’t even say the word “AIDS”, and as transmission was a mystery (one news report said it was carried in tears, so better not hug those crying sick people!) it was extremely brave of her to be front and center encouraging compassion and acceptance. She’ll always have a spot in my heart for those kind acts.

Let's put it this way what would you rather see The Lavender Hill Mob or A New Hope? I mean is there even a contest?

[quote]Carrie lucked into a franchise is right. She's no Katniss Everdeen.

You mean she didn't have to spread her legs to get an Oscar? And she had actually had the respect of her peers?

Carrie spread her legs for blow and vicodin Lindsay, as you're well aware.

What's with all the vitriol against Carrie Fisher?

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What's with all the hero worship of Carrie Fisher?

Why does DL block the Independent?

R203. She was good people

Ironic that in SW, Leia's mother died of a broken heart, then in real life her mother died of a broken heart two days after she did.

"She was good people."

What was so "good" about her? She was a privileged drug addict, always had plenty of money to indulge her insatiable appetite for coke, heroin, ecstasy, etc. And I don't recall her doing much for the benefit of other human beings. She always seemed very self-absorbed and full of herself to me. Not "good people" at all.

Carrie had been to a holiday party in Italy and then was flying back home for Christmas when she had a heart attack on the plane. People are presuming that she took the combo of ecstasy, heroin, and cocaine frequently. I don't think that she did.

They don't give a fuck about Star Wars in China. If you don't have them in China you're nothing.

This video shows how drugged up Carrie was on The Force Awakens. She sounds crazy.

I don't get the dislike. DL has turned into bitter, poor scolds.

[quote]What's with all the vitriol against Carrie Fisher?

Internet trolls and Casper Andreas at R134 pissed that his collection of softcore porn fantasies hasn't made him a multimillionaire

What do you mean scolds!

I have an Oscar! Sure I do! So I can judge!

So, R186, you really count the success of Star Wars as Fisher's accomplishment?

If was not that she got lucky to get cast in a pop culture phenomena---rather she was one of the factors that made it a pop culture phenomena, because she etched such an indelible character?

Do you really think that without Fisher, Star Wars would not have had its success?

I thought taking coke kept people thin and that certainly heroin did. It's odd that she got so heavy.

As a tangent, learn more about Mrs. Kavanaugh. Those jewels were as expensive as Carrie's grade-A+ drugs.

Luke is who the fanboys loved, Han Solo was the cool aloof guy, Carrie was the only female in Star Wars (1977).

R207 is not good people

R214, I'm not R186, but, without a strong female lead (and Leia is basically the only real female character in the entire trilogy), the films might have appealed to boys, but they wouldn't have been really as enjoyable for women, and they wouldn't be appealing to such a wide audience.

Apart from Fisher, there are basically three other actresses with talking parts in the three films, and their lines, combined, amount to 90 seconds.

This thread reminds me of the frequent fat shaming threads. The bitterness and sense of moral superiority, the need to put down a fellow traveller in life. Perhaps the posters are former addicts themselves like the nastiest posters in the fat threads who appear to have issues with food control themselves. Anyway, millions of people around the world related to Carrie for the openness and humour she dealt with her mental struggles and her addictions, she will be lovingly remembered for a long time. How many here can say the same?

Carrie was authentic! Not many of you cunts can say the same! Love her

Well if I had Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher as my parents and Liz Taylor stole my father from my mother and then while making the most expensive movie ever dumped him for Richard Burton and then turned my struggles as a Hollywood brat into a career I'd be remembered too!

What r219 said, and I would also add that Fisher's natural intelligence played a huge part in both the characterization of Princess Leia, and why the audience responded to her so well. Princess Leia was essentially a government official from a high-born family who was covertly working as a guerilla leader to overthrow a tyrannical dictatorship. Fisher was totally convincing, she absolutely sold it. In the hands of a less capable actress, Leia would've been a cartoon or campy. She did an incredible job.

If she hadn't the enormous luck to get the role of Princess Leia nobody would have ever heard of Carrie Fisher. No one.

I do not think it is Fisher who is being shamed. I know I feel empathy for Fisher, and think she is a genuinely tragic figure. You keep thinking about what she could have accomplished if she had not had so many demons.

If anyone is being shamed it is the people who consider fame to be an accomplishment. They treat Fisher's notoriety and wealth as if they were the fruits of her hard work and imagination. Frankly, that kind of celebrity worship should be shamed.

Too many great actresses accomplish a thousand times what Fisher did, but not in a top grossing movie. Why not take time to honor them?

Yes they would R224. She would be known as Todd Fisher's sister.

I'm indifferent to CF. I do think she could have achieved more had she been ambitious, but she wasn't; there is no crime in that. I also think that she milked the hell out of being "Hollywood Royalty," and that bugged me a little. She shouldn't have felt the need to always remind us who her parents were, the Liz Taylor story, etc, because I felt like it diminished her own achievements. And I also believe that she used her mental illness as an excuse to use drugs. I know plenty of people who have mental illness -- there is a lot, regrettably, in my family -- but none of them use it as an excuse to indulge in drugs. I admire that she was upfront about her diagnosis because it did help reduce the stigma, but she should not have used that as her cover for her drug use. She did say one of the best quips I have heard: "youth and beauty are not achievements." That is brilliant.

R224 fuck that, bitch. Thats like saying Madonna wouldnt have been a cunt if she was not famous. Nothing could prevent Vadge from being one of the hugest cunts ever. It was her destiny.

The original Star Wars movie did not have a high budget - far from it. Lucas generously gave many cast and crew members points in the film. After the film's success, these people didn't have to ever work again.

Lucas cast Carrie because she wasn't a cutie-pie actress. She held her own. She had great chemistry w/ Harrison Ford. Below is one of her auditions for Star Wars.

I don't get these posters who are saying Carrie wasn't talented and a great writer with a sharp wit. I think some of her interviews are funnier than her scripts or books. She had severe bi-polar w/ two nutty parents. Give her a break. I think her daughter, Billie Lourd, is charming.

So what if she did drugs? Like most of us wouldn’t be addicts if we had the cash and the access! Drugs are fun and real life sucks. The Nancy Reagan prisspots on this thread can shove their D.A.R.E T-shirts up their anuses.

R224 We had already seen Carrie Fisher in the film Shampoo before Star Wars came out. Your argument is idiotic. Carrie was who she was as a person because her parents were Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds -nature AND nurture.

She would have made her way in Hollywood with or without Star Wars. She was talented. She wrote funny books and screenplays.

I can't look down on people who take drugs. I'm on prescription drugs myself and couldn't imagine life without them. I've never used illegal drugs but I take pills everyday. I come from a family where there were cases of mental illness and suicides and I can't imagine what my poor ancestors went through with no help. They had no alternatives but to hang themselves or jump off a roof. Mental illness did not just spring up out of nowhere in the 20th Century.

"So what if she did drugs?"

It ended up killing her, doofus. You sound like you've indulged a lot in that area yourself. It's affected your brain and not in a good way.

Say it, R232 Carrie never used her bi-polar as an excuse for taking drugs. She was honest about her drug addictions.

[quote] Carrie Fisher Had Heroin, Ecstasy and Cocaine in Her System

Is that all? **sneers**

R229, I have not seen anyone say that "wasn't talented and a great writer with a sharp wit."

I think everyone agrees that she was talented and witty. But she did not do that much with the talent and wit.

The worst anyone said here was that she was dishonest about her recovery, or leaned to much on being Hollywood Royalty, or used the same shtick over and over.

But no one has claimed that she did anyone of that because of a lack of talent or wit. Rather we are bemoaning that she did not use the talent and wit better.

That's a rewrite, R236. Earlier in the thread she was dismissed as a 1 note Hollywood figure and addict, undeserving of any interest whatsoever.

R236 Are you bi-polar? If you aren't or don't have any friends or family members who are, I suggest that you stop judging Carrie. It is very hard to manage.

R229 She really does do a great interview. And, on command as well. That's a talent, regardless of how one spins it. They are free to watch the average celebrity sell a film in the 1990s or 2000s and compare. Wit and clever, quick thinking are up for people to enjoy and admire. I know I do. I do it on here.

R56 I love that she was in Scream 3!

R170 I remember the scene where she breaks out the Rolodex to find Sally a date. So, it wasn't that forgettable. She was charming in "When Harry Met Sally ... " "She doesn't have a problem with chins" ... "Married" (folds card disappointingly) ... lol. Also, Meg Ryan ... va-va-va-voom!

R194 Thank you. I'd like to hear more about her work with HIV/AIDS than the bitter admonishments about her in this thread tbh.

R238 continued... Even if you, don't judge Carrie. She was coping the best that she could.

No one has mentioned Carrie's role in Catastrophe. I've only seen clips but it looked to be an entertaining series. Carrie was funny as the mom of the male lead.

R237, read again, this time with logic.

Many say that she was one note and an addict, not worth of the attention she is getting. But that is different than saying she had no talent. Talent is potential--not achievement.

And yes, many people who feel she wasted her potential and/or talent.

I did mention Catastrophe earlier, R241. It is an amazing series. The second and third seasons get better and better.

le snore

"Earlier in the thread she was dismissed as a 1 note Hollywood figure and addict, undeserving of any interest whatsoever."

I think that's about right. That really describes her.

I loved Fisher's droll send-up of herself in Scream 3 (starts at 1:25, but the whole scene is great). It was the cherry on top of Posey's endearing, Scooby-Do portrayal of an actress who studies every move of the person she's portraying. Cox is always fun in the role of bitchy Gayle Weathers, and her work opposite Posey is probably my favourite in the franchise.

R210 Damn, the best makeup artists in the world and that's the best they could get her to look? She looks like Ford's mother.

Heroin, Ecstasy, Cocaine... AND Jenny Craig food which had more chemicals than all the rest.

As someone with almost 30 years of sobriety under my belt, I was amazed to hear she never made it more than five or so years sober at a time (( think). We even attended the same AA meeting at Cedars for a little while there -- though ultimately I quit without being on the program, much as I appreciated it. She was almost a Poster Child for drug free living and all that time, it was a lie. Why I never recommend speaking publicly about it. Ups the pressure.

I wish I could remember more about her work with HIV/AIDS; but there were stories and interviews with her in the L.A. Times & Weekly, where she scoffed at people’s refusal to support patients - who were at that time pariahs. This was the early days when we’d march in the streets with our ACT UP/LA signs, before Rock Hudson, when literally no-one famous would talk about the crisis. She opened her home to friends who were ill, and had a make-shift hospice/hospital there. I was working in the field at the time, at the (now demolished) Century City Hospital, where HIV/AIDS patients were only acknowledged in whispers and put on the 3rd Floor (iirc); we weren’t allowed to call it critical care or intensive care or anything else, just the 3rd floor. I can’t overstate how hush hush and frightened most people were, which is why it was a big deal for Carrie to advocate loudly.

Ford looks like shit too but he is ancient.

I think her mom was one of the very first to do AIDS charity work so I guess it spilled over.

Liz and Debbie and Carrie did so much for the AIDS victims. Lordy.

I think the reason so many on here are more dismissive of her than they should be is, because most of her work was autobiographical, a number of her fans felt like they knew her. When she said announced that she was sober, they rooted for her and were on her side, and were betrayed and disappointed when it turned out to not be true. It is much the same way you would be angry and disappointed with a friend or family member who claimed they were off drugs, but you found them snorting coke in the bathroom. If she hadn't claimed to have gotten sober, there would probably not be a reassessment of her talent and achievements.

R256, that’s why it’s usually anonymous. We drive everyone around us crazy with the ebb and flow.

Plus, we can defend any bullshit sober statement using a technicality. “ I said ‘somber’” or “weed doesn’t count”.

Who the fuck takes ecstasy and coke before a 10-hour transatlantic flight??

We only know that Carrie had ecstasy, heroin, and cocaine in her system. We don't know that she took one, two, or all three drugs and jumped on a plane.

When wasn't she high? Yes, she was witty. But more often than not a bit unsettling. I remind myself that her best friends were Tracey Ullman and Meryl Streep, so she must have had some moments when she wasn't a total wreck. Or the three of them just laughed a lot. Bipolar cocaine addicts will eventually run out of energy and charm and luck. That's what happened to Carrie and not a moment too soon.

Amen, R230.

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Carrie knew how to party!

[Quote] Well if I had Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher as my parents and Liz Taylor stole my father from my mother and then while making the most expensive movie ever dumped him for Richard Burton and then turned my struggles as a Hollywood brat into a career I'd be remembered too! —And I say this as a Carrie fan.

This makes little sense. Debbie didn't call herself "Princess Leia's mother" for nothing.

Mark Hamill was not impossibly cute.

If Zac Efron croaks tomorrow, will he get a thread like this?

Agree with R60. Have compassion.

This electro shock therapy is unspeakable. People claim that it’s better then it used to be.

So it scrambles your brains more gently ? I heard Carrie talk about her loss of memory. The ECT hastened her decline

Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to addiction.

The people who say that Alec Guinness 'sold out' for money, implying that his contemporaries didn't make trash for cash, are wrong. Even Lord Olivier was whoring himself out to crappy made-for-TV movies and commercials. Peter O'Toole was in an ad where he bit into a slice of Pizza Hut. John Gielgud was terribly embarrassed that he was most well-known for Arthur. Richard Burton was the poster boy for cashing out for garbage. If anything, Sir Alec was spared a lot of that.

As for his 'disliking' the movie, he was severely taken aback by the intense idolatry that the movie triggered in fans, especially the young ones. How do you respond to something like that?

He had gone through cycles of fame, and was not always comfortable with it. He was a prickly and insecure man due to his shameful origins and being closeted. But he was not such a cultural snob - he mentioned in his diaries how much he enjoyed watching The Simpsons.

[quote]So it scrambles your brains more gently ? I heard Carrie talk about her loss of memory. The ECT hastened her decline

I agree. I suspect she was using ECT much like Michael Jackson was using Propofol. It wasn’t appropriate or helpful for her situation, but she found a doctor she could manipulate into doing it on her.

[Quote] she found a doctor she could manipulate into doing it on her.

Purr, purr doctor.

R270 that’s an incredible judgment to make without your knowing her medical history. ECT isn’t fun—I doubt she was getting a “contact high” from it. For some people it works. How do you know that it didn’t maybe ease her mental illness/drug addiction issues?

Wait....Carrie Fisher died?

And drugs were involved?

R273 - Time traveler from 2015.

[quote]For some people it works. How do you know that it didn’t maybe ease her mental illness/drug addiction issues?

Because she’s dead from her mental illness/drug addiction issues. It didn’t ease anything. It gave her an excuse to continue abusing hard drugs.

r273

Yes, and Zac Efron was beaten up on Skid Row. He was only looking for a late night meal, though.

Always wondered how cute James Blunt fit in to it all? He was staying at her home when she died, right? (Was surprised he, too, is a midget. He looks tall and lanky in his videos).

I think Rufus Wainwright also stayed at her house while writing/recording an album. Carrie truly was The Gay Whisperer.

She had a gay male friend of hers die next to her in her bed (“not merely content to die in his sleep, he also died in mine” was the line). Said it fucked her up royally.

R275 how do you know whether she might have been dead at 30 without it? Pretty cavalier response to a medical treatment that doctors find useful for some people. I never heard of anyone saying it enabled their drug use.

Mark Hamill’s original nose was cute on him. He never looked as good as he did in the first movie,

Mark Hamill was so insanely adorable. Who wouldn't have fucked this?

His looks were never the same after that car accident.

Fuck anyone who badmouths this woman. What are your fucking accomplishments other than being cunts on an anonymous message board?

Do some of you not realize her mental illness was severe and real. It was incurable and hers so severe she unconsciously self medicated with terrible things. Nothing gave her peace for long. She suffered and yet still managed to be a hilarious person.

Oh shut up, asshole at R283. Your hero worship of poor, fucked up Carrie Fisher is pathetic.

R285 Seems like a normal and stable person 🙄

R286, I'm a lot more normal and stable than your idol Carrie Fisher, you silly twat.

Ummm r287, no you’re not.

Ummm,R288 I'm not a drug addict and I'm not bi-polar. Your poor little Carrie was a druggie fiend and teched in the head. I win. I win BIG time.

Teched in the head? As in she was microchipped?

R289, Carrie was much loved and might be living it up in heaven as we speak. You will always be a jerk with no friends.

R291 believes there's a heaven and that Carrie Fisher is in it? What a moron!

Rather be a person contemplating the possibility of people having fun in heaven rather than a miserable, friendless jackass on earth, r292.

So not worshipping a dead druggie celebrity makes me "a miserable, friendless jackass", R293? It bears repeating: you're a moron.

Who's worshiping anyone? You sound miserable.

I told you I was hardcore!

"Who's worshipping anyone?"

Honey, the hysterical defense of Carrie Fisher (mediocre actress, mental case, drug addict) on this thread certainly could pass for hero worship; You sound moronic.

R297, we’re just commenting on someone we sort of liked who we think had a sad death. What’s your excuse for hanging around this thread if you think it’s full of morons worshiping a dead druggie? Moron in training?

I agree. There is no such thing as heaven. It is a theoretical place. Once you're dead that is it, game over. Screen goes black forever.

R294 I’m not worshipping. I barely a causal fan at best. I know good people who have good hearts when I see them. She was a good person. You are not. You sound awful and unbalanced. Happy Kwanzaa!

If you really can recognize a good person when you see one, R300, you must hate looking in the mirror because you see a filthy racist.

" She was a good person. You are not."

You never knew her, so you don't know anything about how "good" she was. You don't know me either. What an idiot you are.

Explain the racism in my post! Yes, you are mentally unbalanced and awful. I see that from your posts.

Sad to hear. Sometimes even when a person achieves consistent sobriety, the damage from years of abuse can still get you. Lost two good AA buddies who had been sober as long as me. Bot also abused cocaine and meth. Both died from massive heart attacks after several years of sobriety. I assumed that is what happened to Carrie. Guess I was wrong. She was on talk shows and everything talking about how great it was to be sober...

"Explain the racism in my post! Yes, you are mentally unbalanced and awful. I see that from your posts."

I suppose you are seen as a racist due to your "Kwanzaa" reference. At any rate, you are pathetically stupid. I see that from your posts.

R299 and you know this exactly how?

R297 she was overall a fairly witty personality who we sort of liked having around. It doesn’t really get any deeper than that.

And no question the way she died and her mom right after is quite sad.

R307 hate to break it to you, Mary! but she got exactly what she deserved. Cocaine ages the heart, so whatever your chronological age is cocaine doubles that number. Carrie Fisher was 60 when she died so that means her heart was 120 years old. Cocaine addicts deserve to die young.

R308, I suspect a lot of people openly hate you

R308 yo I think you need to relook up the definition of “Mary,” cuz it ain’t my post

309 is just projecting her cuntishness onto everyone. Take your anti psychotics and go to bed, cunt.

I knew this thread would end in tears.

R311 is teaching a master class in cunting. Oscar worthy.

Girls, girls, you’re BOTH over-invested!

Seems people have gotten the bitchy down, but not the witty.,

May not be the time since many are celebrating New Year's, but can our DL health professionals tell us Carrie's voice changed after the electroshock treatment. Her voice sounded clipped, lock-jawed, a bit like Kate Middleton's affectation.

Was this due to the electro-shock treatment or drugs that she had used/abused?

Carrie then had what I think is the pipe-cleaner type upper lip implant (like Pamela Anderson) that made her look like she was pursing her lips. Not good.

My friend's severely bi-bipolar dad had electroshock back in the old days. What was described to me was horrific.

^^^Typo: Why? Why did Carrie's voice change?

R316 I just assumed she was talking they her dentures and they were slipping?

[quote] My friend's severely bi-bipolar dad had electroshock back in the old days. What was described to me was horrific.

It’s nothing now. You’re asleep and there aren’t even convulsions. They give you meds. It does work.

R319 I think Carrie said that the electroshock was like breaking up cement in her head. I hope that it helped her.

R318 Carrie didn't have dentures, come on.

I read an interview with Joely Fisher. Her dad was Eddie Fisher and her mom is Connie Stevens. She has had problems with addictions, too. A great part of it has to be inherited.

She's a good actress. I've enjoyed her tv/movie roles.

" Carrie didn't have dentures, come on."

Maybe she did. Chronic drug use can really mess up somebody's teeth; in fact, it can make them fall out. It's possible she had dentures; she did heroin and coke, the hard stuff. It might have made her lose her teeth.

[quote]I think Carrie said that the electroshock was like breaking up cement in her head. I hope that it helped her.

I don’t think it helped her. Considering that she believes she has cement in her head.

According to the CT scans after she died (Todd requested no autopsy), Carrie had "extensive metallic dental work." Likely implants and bridgework. I agree that at some point she began pursing her lips and seemed to have real trouble speaking, so I thought she had dentures, too.

She only began pouting when STAR WARDS re-entered her life. It's sort of fascination that with all she'd been through, with how knowing and sardonic she was, that she sort of fell in line with all that glamourpuss bullshit. I guess the payday was too great to resist. But she didn't have to start pouting in every fucking picture she took.

*sort of fascinating

Both her parents were so good looking but she always had a touch of fug and really struggled with her weight.

'Considering that she believes she has cement in her head.'

This is how your brain feels if you take too many benzos and opiates.

Where's the Welp Troll? Was Carrie GAY and BEARDING?

On what planet was Eddie Fisher so good looking?

He was ordinary in the extreme.

R329 none lol. I’ll never understand how he good get so many beautiful women.

It’s not like he has a prize personality eirher.

[quote]I’ll never understand how he good get so many beautiful women. It’s not like he has a prize personality eirher.

Eddie Fisher was the Pete Davidson of his era.

[quote]This is how your brain feels if you take too many benzos and opiates.

Well, ECT certainly didn’t help her. Quitting benzos and opiates, along with cocaine and ecstasy, would have helped her.

I never saw the appeal of Eddie Fisher. I didn't think he was good looking and he was dumb and immature (according to Rona Barrett, who created a fan club for him early in hid career). And yet she was a pussy hound who fucked everybody and got Elizabeth Taylor to marry him (what the hell was she thinking? Was she addled due to the shock and grief at losing Mike Todd?). I suppose it was his singing voice that made their pussies get wet. Back in the day those smooth voiced crooners could hook women with their succulent singing voices. Frank SInatra was similar; he was ugly and didn't exactly have a pleasant personality, but women swooned over him. Anyway, Eddie Fisher was a huge star at one time. It's hard to believe because nobody remembers him as a singer or actor at all; the only thing he's remembered for is being married to Debbie Reynolds and Elizabeth Taylor and fathering Carrie Fisher. After he died a commentary in Time magazine said " Sometimes show-business truth can be more instructive than Tinseltown fable. Can we say that Eddie Fisher lived an exemplarily misspent life?"

Edie Fisher was married to Kim Novaks, Ann-Margaret and Coyne Stevens. And Liz and the young Debbie Rayolds. So he must have had something. But Carrie's one woman show that I was dragged to was for people even OLDER than her because although she was misshapen and in slippers and had ironic Audiovisual equipment, it wasn't much of a show. She was funny I think and not well rehearsed - but THAT was not a proper theatre engagement. She missed the mark on the why someone under 40 would give a fuck. I wasn't even thirty. She was supposed to be lovable by the end because she looked and sounded so bad? It was more like when you go to a drag show and pay $20 bucks to get in and Carrie Fisher was lip synching her life. Comic but homely. I understand she punched up a few scripts and was more conversationally quick than most people to make a career. Sad about the drugs. But her death is not sad. Carrie was tormented that he father left her mother for Liz Taylor and that Debbie liked wine. They later lost a mansion but kept a lot of shoes I recall. Is that it?

Ya know what. Bipolar is not that common of a condition, but a much too common diagnosis. Did Carrie Fisher self medicate a mental illness or just destroy her brain with drugs and life and suffer anxiety and depression and call it bipolar disorder? I don't know. Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel is the oncoming train. Other days it's a perfect excuse to get fat AND continue to do street drugs. I think she took antipsychotics, her body tells us so. But no lithium for Carrie and why bother. It's a difficult disorder to treat. If ECT worked for her and she talked about it, then she was looking hard for more attention.

I did like her in the Truth About Cats and Dogs. Not everyone can be Uma. Carrie was a good sidekick.

You don't know what you are talking about R335. Fisher was never married to Kim or Ann Margaret

Edie was married to Anne Margret and Kim Novacks, not Carrie. They were both Fishers because Carrie once was his daughter. Carrie never married a biological woman. She slept with gay men and then they would take her to Emergency when she stopped breathing. Except for that one time when they both overdosed and some gay boy died in the bed and Richard Dreyfus came over and gave Carey Fisher the adrenaline shot. This later was revitalized in Pulp Fiction with Uma Thurma and Vincent Vega. Nothing twirls up accidentally. Carrie never told the truth about nothing. Edie was not a gallant man. He spoke of fat Liz sweat pockets and things a man shouldn't say about Debby Reynaulds. Carrie took 45 years to die over something that should have taken no more than 5 years of therapy. And then she picked up the bipolar disorder when she did a book tour? Tragedy preceded her wherever she went. RIP

Seek help R337 because you are a fucking idiot.

I'm sorry if my posts triggered you R338. Mental illness is not funny, as Carnie Fisher proved. If your are in distress please call your local distress center or suicide hotline, or just push the button beside your bed. 1-800-784-2433. Or just remember, 1-800-SUICIDE. Americans ain't subtle. #211. Get Help.

I pray that Jesus will visit peace upon your troubled mind tonight. God Bless You R338. I forgive you.

You are nuts R339. You post false information. If Jesus is coming to visit anyone he should visit you to tell you you are nuts.

Jesus knows me. But he's understandably busy at this time of year. We have prayed that he visit healing to your rage and doubt this night. He might touch you in your sleep. Your mind is troubled, lifelong. You haven't invited him in R340, r336, R338. Your post numbers form a pattern only the devil can decipher. Jesus doesn't care about your worship of false idols. Carrie Fischer and Edie and Debby. You must have enjoyed the show. Did you buy merch? i hope you use the 800 numbers. I sense danger around you. All angels have left you - your aura is black. Jews can't help you now. Wait for Jesus, he's always on time.

Y'all are so shrill and humorless you are dragged by quality performance art.

Sad!

Who the fuck is Edie?

Edie Adams, Carrie's stepmom.

Edie Adams was NOT "Carrie's stepmom." Where the hell did THAT notion come from?

Hey, that’s not a bad way to go. She died pretty quickly and without all the endless suffering many old people endure. I guess the surprise aspect sucks, but she wasn’t alone. I can think of many more horrible ways to die.

According to some here Eddy Fisher was married to EVERYONE! Carrie would have needed a written list to keep her dozens of stepmothers straight.

" I can think of many more horrible ways to die."

I think it's pretty horrible to go into your death throes on an airplane in front of a lot of people, "vomiting copiously."

R348 Fucking Mary! Who gives a fuck about other people, if you are dead that is it. Finished. Game over. Others don't matter at all.

"Who gives a fuck about other people, if you are dead that is it. Finished. Game over. Others don't matter at all."

I'm just saying that to die the way Carrie Fisher did was pretty horrible. Drug deaths are always horrible.

No, r335. Carrie suffered psychotic breaks in front of people — even audiences — when she was so er.

Her bipolar diagnosis was legit.

Yes. There a podcast episode recounting a very odd performance of hers on a gay cruise.

Boy, all the hate directed here at Carrie. I don’t exactly see here as Charles Manson or even Mommy Dearest. And beating up on drug addicts is pretty despicable actually.

But to address the substantive question - was she talented? Of course, otherwise she would have just faded away. She remained interesting and hence entertaining and that’s what it’s about as a performer.

I think the real question here is whether she was talented enough to have made it if her parents were nobodies and she was forced to support herself by catering.

I doubt she could've supported herself with a regular job: too many demons. She needed something that paid very well so that she could earn a lot of money during her productive periods. I can't really see her surviving until she made it as a writer without her family connections.

R354 a ton of talented people never make it so that’s a bit of a misnomer — it’s usually not enough; you need connections or at least really good luck and timing.

I think most people won’t dispute Jane Fonda’s talent, but if she has been a nobody, she most likely would not have made it, simply because MOST PEOPLE DONT MAKE IT, regardless of talent (or even looks).

Carrie Fisher didn’t have movie star looks though; that’s actually where having famous parents helped her the most (because, in spite of any talent or wit, she would have never past “go”)

What was the official cause of Carrie's death? Opiates OD?

Borderlines, even the more subtle ones, often have substance abuse issues.

R548 is the tedious Cluster B Troll.

She was very lucky; lucky to have famous parents, lucky to get the role of Princess Leia in "Star Wars." Without those two advantages she never would have had an acting career. She was plain and had little talent in that regard. She would have gone nowhere as an actress.

There are many bad actors that make it in the business. There are some that eventually become OK actors. Raquel Welch and Farrah Fawcett, just two that come to mind. If you look at the number of people in the business very few have parents in the business.

Raquel Welch and Farrah Fawcett had exceptional good looks. You can go far if you're really good looking, even if you have little acting talent. And actually, a great many actors and actresses have had parents "in the business" in some way shape or form, which really gives their offspring a step up when it comes to getting breaks and work.

'She was plain and had little talent in that regard'

She wasn't plain when she was skinny or they would never have cast her as Princess Leah.

And as we see Raquel and Farrah didn't have stellar careers because looks can only take you so far R362

Looks took Raquel Welch and Farrah Fawcett pretty far. They were both big stars, although not known for great performances.

Carrie Fisher, even when not overweight (she was never "skinny"), was not much to look at. She didn't get cast in Star Wars because of her looks, obviously. There were plenty of better looking young actresses out there who could well have played Princess Leia. Lucas cast her for others reasons obviously, I suppose because she had a kind of "hard" quality he thought would suit the character.

Carrie wasn't ugly, at least not when she was young, but she wasn't pretty either, not even at 15 in Shampoo. She was plain. There is no crime in being plain, but put that together with her very limited acting and singling abilities and there is no way she would have gotten even a commercial without those famous parents and Hollywood connections.

BS R366. There are plenty of "plain" actors. I give you Stephanie Courtney, AKA Flo.

So without her pedigree are you saying Carrie could have sold insurance?

R368 no, but we would have been graced with Cindy Williams as Princess Leia.

I see Penny Marshall in the role.

Carrie was quite thin in the original trilogy. Not even a little plump, though she had round cheeks. The woman was barely 5' tall and especially on film, one extra pound would have made her look tubby. She didn't.

She was also not beautiful, but very, very pretty, with her enormous brown eyes and radiant smile. The deeper than expected voice added to her appeal, and when she appeared in the gold bikini after, I'm sure, training her ass off, she looked gorgeous.

You may not get her attractiveness, and that's fine. But to ignore the fact that so many straight men fantasized about her for decades by insisting she was universally considered plain and unappealing is just silly.

[quote]nasty, fucked up, talentless bitch

Anyone who gets this angry over someone they supposedly don't care about is usually doing it because of some kind of political ideology. I suspect that's what most of the anger on this thread is about. Why else would trolls be saying "Happy Kwanzaa" to someone to "accuse" them of being black because they don't hate Carrie Fisher? It makes no sense unless you're a moronic racist.

[quote]I once read an article about a survey that 42% of women would lie about birth control in oder to get pregnant.

You once read an article. About a survey. Oh well then, that settles that.

Anyway, the only thing that even comes close to matching your claim was a survey the UK women's magazine "That's Life" held in 2003. Given you remembered the exact figure yet couldn't be arsed to mention either the article or survey you got the figure from, I think you knew damn well you were talking about some publicity stunt in a shitty magazine from 17 years ago, and didn't want to say so because people would realize how dumb you were.

[quote]The Vietnam Era was an introduction to drugs at home and abroad.

What a silly thing to write.

Considering what absolute misogynists most DLers are, their opinion on female beauty is worthless.

I think Carrie was very witty, but I found her last one-woman show to be very dull.

The blackboard with Liz Taylor, Eddie Fisher, and Debbie Reynolds wasn't fresh or funny.

Yet you're here, R375.

I thought it was tired, too, R376. My interest in her did not extend to any interest in her family, but she milked it for all it was worth, and I simply didn't care.

She clearly never got over her father's rejection of the family. She knew her father was a shit but he was really no worse than the other two husbands Debbie had. At least he didn't steal from her. I think they had a reconciliation at the end of his life.

The acting, sure, maybe was handed to her. The writing, her far greater talent, no. That was all her. And it's when a lot of us started really noticing her.

I sometimes fall to sleep to her voice reading her book on youtube. Oddly comforting and I don't have to pay attention since I know it so well. RIP, Carrie.

R377 what does that even mean, you fucking twatburger.

Agree that show with the blackboard failed. But at least she kept working.

R381, typical case study for the mental health of the weekend crowd...

R383 delusional fraucunt.

Crabby Carrie

I loved her books, she had a entertaining way with words.

This is one of my favourite Carrie interviews. I wonder if it’s the same day as the crabby interview. Looks like the same top and glasses and I think the interviewer is based in Texas.

I found the HBO doc Bright Star very difficult to watch. It ripped my heart out seeing Debbie decline and start to lose her faculties and her dignity and it was clear that Carrie was heartbroken to see this too. The SAG scenes were so raw. It was also clear that Carrie was not sober. The paparazzi pictures of her purchasing drugs were taken during the time they filmed the documentary.

This is one of my favourite Carrie interviews. I wonder if it’s the same day as the crabby interview. Looks like the same top and glasses and I think the interviewer is based in Texas.

I found the HBO doc Bright Star very difficult to watch. It ripped my heart out seeing Debbie decline and start to lose her faculties and her dignity and it was clear that Carrie was heartbroken to see this too. The SAG scenes were so raw. It was also clear that Carrie was not sober. The paparazzi pictures of her purchasing drugs were taken during the time they filmed the documentary.

Her daughter is a spoiled little bitch.