Julie Andrews is so overrated

She was wonderful at what she did, but she had no depth as an actress. She was less of an actress than Barbra Streisand, for instance.

As for being a Hollywood wife, she is a closeted lesbian who had two lavender marriages, one to a set designer, and another to Blake Edwards.

Fuck off, Op.

I love her.

I can watch "Victor/Victoria" over and over and still enjoy it!

Let's see..."Camelot" and "My Fair Lady" on Broadway, 3 Oscar nominations for Best Actress, worked with Hitchcock, starred opposite Paul Newman, James Garner, Richard Burton, Rex Harrison... and what have you done?

Oh lord. The anti-Pete troll is now making anti-Julie threads right after reading the thread about Julie backing Pete for president.

I love how Pete has this freakshow PRESSED!

People I know who saw her onstage said she was wonderful--not a great actress, but a wonderful, radiant Eliza Doolittle nonetheless. Really clear, pure voice until she got nodes and the surgery went awry. Also on-stage successes with The Boyfriend and Camelot.

Besides TSOM, she had a huge hit with Mary Poppins and a good comeback in Victor/Victoria. She also did a lovely live performance in the original Rodgers/Hammerstein Cinderella.

She sounded good night after night without a bunch of engineering.

Mary Poppins was the #3 highest grossing film of 1964; the soundtrack was also one of the bestselling albums of the year.

The Sound of Music was the #1 highest grossing film of 1965; the soundtrack was also one of the bestselling albums of the year.

Hawaii was the #2 highest grossing film of 1966.

Thoroughly Modern Millie was the #9 highest grossing film of 1967.

She was considered one of the top 5 biggest movie stars on the planet in those years. So much for not making it in movies.

Julie Andrews and Carol Burnett have been a couple since the 1970's.

Ha! I watched Mary Poppins with my daughter the other day. Julie snaps at the children and my daughter said "I thought she was supposed to be nice!"

Her voice is just ok.

I'm enjoying this thread while polishing my Oscar. Care to polish your Oscar?

Cheeky!

I just never liked her masculine face.

Yet better than you, OP.

I love her voice. She had a lot of fun teasing her prim and proper image, and, anyhow, her star-making role was Eliza, who is anything but a priss.

So this thread was started by the anti-Pete Troll? That explains a lot.

It has a familiar stench about it.

Overrated compared to what, OP?

OP is Babs.

You're a fucking idiot with no taste, OP.

It was always her hairstyle that kept JA the least-sexy leading lady.

OP is a very basic troll.

I never understood why she won the Oscar for Mary Poppins.

She ruthlessly flaunted her tits in film after film, but the roles dried up along with them.

How empty is your life OP when this is an issue for you?

The roles withered as her dugs did.

Love Pete, hate Julie. If it weren’t for her sham marriage to Blake Edwards, she’d never have made a film after 1968’s megaton bomb [italic]Star![/italic]. Even in Bufferin commercials, Angela Lansbury is 100 times the actress she ever was and a better singer, too, if she didn’t lose her voice by the age of 60. Shani Wallis, Sally Ann Howes, Lesley Ann Warren, and Helen Reddy all made more interesting movie musicals than her. Even Hayley Mills did, too, frankly.

[quote] I never understood why she won the Oscar

To make up for the honorary one they gave to James Baskett for playing Uncle Remus in [italic]Song of the South[/italic] and to losing [italic]My Fair Lady[/italic] to Audrey Hepburn which still deservedly was an Oscar-winning hit anyway and rightfully beat its butt for Best Picture.

[italic]SOB[/italic] and V/V are the primal screams of a closet queen waiting to come out, yet [italic]Micki + Maude[/italic], which she isn’t even in, is funnier than either of those. Dialogue calling homosexuality a choice was not funny in 1982 and has become even less funny with the passage of time. And after her Netflix show pushed tr-ns propaganda to children, I never want to see this common guttersnipe in anything again. She represents everything John Waters warned us about with “the Disneyfication of drag,” which only makes me wonder where Waters was when Tommy Sands (but not Tommy Kirk) did drag in [italic]Babes in Toyland[/italic]!

Disney movies are routinely ostracized from non-technical non-music Oscar categories even to this day. They still don’t have a Best Picture Oscar winner. Miramax doesn’t count because they no longer own it or any of the films it released.

Is OP the Bedknobs and Broomsticks troll? Hates Poppins and Julie, loves Bedknobs and Angela. Claims without irony that Bedknobs and Broomsticks is the best film ever made.

Baffling.

R18, can you show 70mm films in that projector?

OP's mad that she endorsed Pete and is now on tirades against all of his celebrity endorsements. FF and block him. He's wacko.

Why is everyone on DL so convinced that Julie Andrews is a closeted lesbian? I’d never read that before here but it’s a recurring comment on DataLounge. What relationships with women has she been known to have?

Is it just because of her hair and her inexplicable choice in husbands?

Bad taste in men does not a lesbian make.

Bad taste in women doth a lesbian make

Carol Burnett can do better.

Her early work on stage is some of the best ever. The OP is a troll- an especially stupid one at that.

The hills are alive with the sound of gay erasure.

R22, her tits were behind a Breast Binder in "Thoroughly Modern Millie."

That year, she didn’t get an Oscar nomination and Audrey Hepburn did in a non-singing role as a blind woman.

Dame Julie gets this reaction everywhere she goes. No offense but Audrey Hepburn never touched people like Julie does.

"My Fair Lady", "Camelot", "Sound of Music", "Mary Poppins"... she had a 10 year run of major success after major success. A 10 year run that any actress would kill for.

Never cared for her work after the 1960s though.

[quote]She had a lot of fun teasing her prim and proper image, and, anyhow, her star-making role was Eliza, who is anything but a priss.

Exactly. Maria in THE SOUND OF MUSIC is also pretty much the opposite of a "priss." The OP in this thread is a COMPLETE idiot.

[quote]To make up for the honorary one they gave to James Baskett for playing Uncle Remus in Song of the South

What the hell does that have to do with Andrews winning for MARY POPPINS?

Because that movie is nothing more than a rip-off of [italic]Song of the South[/italic] and because that Oscar belong to Audrey just like the movie version of [italic]Mame[/italic] belonged to Angela Lansbury.

R38, that reaction was staged and you fucking know it.

R39, she sucked in all of those shows. She has never been able to play anything other than a variation on her own cloying and phony personality.

She was the weak link in [italic]My Fair Lady[/italic], and that’s why she didn’t win the Tony.

[quote] Maria in THE SOUND OF MUSIC is also pretty much the opposite of a "priss."

In real life, Maria was a bigger hard ass than the captain, and the Von Trapp family resented that aspect of the show. But once the money started rolling in from the movie, they kept their mouths shut because it was good for tourism.

Anybody but her as Maria.

Part of the reason they took the Baroness’s songs out of the movie is because they didn’t want anyone who could give Maria a run for her money vocally to play the part. I went back and listened to the cast album to find that Marion Marlowe was actually quite a terrific singer.

It always seemed obvious to me that Julie Andrews was a lesbian. And this from Torn Curtain, The Sound of Music. After that I saw Star! and it was still obvious. Thoroughly Modern Millie, the same.

And then I saw her Andrews & Burnett (the one before TSOM, at Carnegie Hall) and it was like they were practically SCREAMING!! about their lesbionic ways. Good for them, so they should have. Young, successful, why the hell not?

Anyway, I don't see it any other way. Anything else seems like a lie.

Then that Netflix show would make her the biggest sellout who ever sold out, R45. When young lesbians would rather call themselves men for not conforming to sexual stereotypes, then she also bears part of the blame for this state of affairs.

I get that she needs to be closeted, though, and coming out now would make no sense.

[quote]that Oscar belong to Audrey

Sorrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee, Audrey Hepburn most certainly did not deserve the Oscar for "My Fair Lady". The movie is a musical and Miss Hepburn did not sing the part. Half her performance was someone else.

I don't know the Netflix show that you are talking about, R46.

Julie Andrews was a commercial star (not a "great artistic actor" like Brando for example) from the 1960s. A very different time. In her way, she expressed herself.

As a young, teenage lesbian, I always understood that she portrayed life as a young, lesbian woman. It was pleasant to see some representation, as flawed as it might have been. We're not talking 30 or 40 years down the line, when things became very different.

She strikes me as conservative. Her niche was always small, and now she has been cornered into those Disney movies and whatever else she does. She can't come out now, at all! It makes no sense. Makes no sense to who she is, to what she wants out of life. In a way, she came out while doing Maria and all those roles she is very famous for. It was front and center, yet most people chose not to see. But she was not really hiding.

R48 I think it's agreed that Julie Andrews gave a far better Eliza Doolittle. It's too bad she didn't do the movie, but it gave her Mary Poppins and all the subsequent crappy Disney movies.

Holy shit! It’s almost 2020 and you’re defending the goddamn closet?

The award is “Best Actress “,” not “Best Singer”. Furthermore, Rita Moreno won a best supporting actress Oscar for a dubbed performance in [italic]West Side Story[/italic] three years earlier, so that argument does not hold up, and neither does anything Julie Andrews was in in any medium.

The arguments against Audrey get even stupider when you consider that Dame Gladys Cooper was nominated for best supporting actress for a non-singing part.

And if that movie about Gertrude Lawrence is any indication of what her Cockney accent was like, then we were not deprived of anything special.

If good singing were good acting, Helen Reddy would have won an Oscar for [italic]Pete’s Dragon[/italic].

If Helen Reddy wanted a film career, she would have emulated Angela Lansbury instead of Julie.

I'm not defending the goddamn closet (in these reactionary times I might add), I am saying this is a conservative person who became successful in a public profession at a time (the 1960s) when being gay was just not spoken about.

She was ambitious, straightlaced and had not an enormous range. She found her niche and stuck to it.

As for appearing this or that, it seems to me she always played herself, that is a young lesbian.

All the other Disney musicals and hybrids were better than that saccharine mess, and the sequel looked like it took everything wrong with the original and doubled down on it.

OP is right, R54, and if you had any taste, then you would realize that.

Audrey Hepburn does sing in [italic]My Fair Lady[/italic] in most of “Just You Wait” and a couple lines here and there. But she is magnificent in the book scenes, and that brilliant dialogue is spoken by her.

Lucy wasn’t dubbed in [italic]Mame[/italic]. How’d that turn out for her?

If you were that desperate for an undubbed Eliza, then you could have gotten Sally Ann Howes.

As for being overrated, I never knew Julie Andrews was so highly rated at all. She had a very pure, light soprano that worked best in children's movies and that's how she is known, as an actress of mainly 2 children's movies - that were MASSIVE HITS. Those two movies are iconic, like them or not.

Audrey Hepburn is excellent in many movies. My Fair Lady is not one of them. And Rex Harrison was a prick - another reason not to watch that misogynistic, tone-deaf piece of garbage.

R59 and R60 are proof that critical thinking and independent thought are in short supply these days.

R60 is a misandrist, not to mention an antisemite and a homophobe, for demonizing a movie directed by a gay Jewish man who deservedly won an Oscar. Jack Warner owed him for the way he butchered [italic]A Star Is Born[/italic].

R59, those movies are not “iconic.” [italic]Star Wars[/italic], [italic]E.T.[/italic], and [italic]The Wizard of Oz[/italic] are iconic. Those two movies are only revered by morbidly obese Baby Boomers.

R61 types Millenial.

They also ripped off “America” from [italic]West Side Story[/italic] where brown people danced and sang about the pros and cons of immigration from Puerto Rico. That movie is iconic. That movie deserved its success.

You might be aware that there was talkig to trying to bring back Deanna Durbin to play Eliza in "My Fair Lady" in her comeback role. Otherwise, the role should have gone to Julie Andrews.

Btw, Julie also had "The Boyfriend", "Cinderella" written for her by Rodgers & Hammerstein, "Thoroughly Modern Millie" (later turned into a Broadway musical, but Julie always in people's mind who created it first), "Victor/VIctoria", and she's fine "10" and "That's Life", too, among other films. Of course, "Sound of Music" and "Mary Poppins" are classics.

I don't know about Carol and Julie. Have you ever seen a picture of Carol's first husband -- really good-looking guy!

No they are not classics, R65. They are cloying, sappy, manipulative dreck. Those other movies are forgettable 1980s nonentities.

[italic]Bedknobs and Broomsticks[/italic] is a classic. It is the greatest movie of all-time, the crowning achievement of the Sherman Brothers, the Disney Studio, Hollywood, and all of Western Civilization itself, and a testament to the majesty of Judaism (The Shermans, Irwin Kostal, Sam Jaffe), homosexuality (Roddy McDowall, most of the male dancers) and blackness (Donald McKayle) and to the cruelty of the white heterosexual gentile males who ordered it desecrated.

If Julie Andrews had done it, it would have bombed as hard as [italic]Star![/italic] and [italic]Darling Lili[/italic].

This thread is getting even weirder...

All of Blake Edwards’ best movies were made before 1969. That woman ruined him. Gay and bisexual men were finally coming out, but not in Hollywood.

R67, fuck your delusional affinity for this has-been and her limited acting range, terrible singing technique, cloying personality, and indifference to the real-world effects of the content she creates. She supports gay erasure. That alone is enough to disqualify her from having any gay fans.

MARY POPPINS and TSOM are enjoyed by children, not adults. Not sure which Boomers spend their time watching those movies, but whatever.

OP, if I didn’t already have a boyfriend, I’d ask you out in a second.

[quote]The award is “Best Actress “,” not “Best Singer”. Furthermore, Rita Moreno won a best supporting actress Oscar for a dubbed performance in West Side Story three years earlier, so that argument does not hold up,

Rita Moreno’s singing voice was dubbed by Betty Wand only for “A Boy Like That” since it was below her range. Moreno sang “America” herself. Think of it like an actor having a stuntman for a scene. ALL of Hepburn was dubbed. It's not a complete performance.

I can't see Julie Andrews as Maria...let alone playing a Shark.

Her voice kept getting worse and worse every decade. She is dismal on her [italic]King & I[/italic] studio recording, and she is embarrassing in the stage version of V/V. Even Liza was better.

Who said she had any gay fans? As said before, I believe her fans are CHILDREN.

[quote]This thread is getting even weirder...

That's because it's being stormed by DL's resident lunatic, Matt. Nothing he writes makes sense and he cannot be reasoned with. All you can do is ignore him and hope he gets the help he so badly needs.

R75 is an ableist prick who needs to be locked up before he commits a hate crime. Oh wait, you already did with that post.

R74, give it up. Stop deluding yourself that she was ever any good. If she was, she would have been able to get better movies than she got, and she never would have lost her voice.

OP, stay strong. Don’t let the stormy darkness pull you down!

Who is Matt?

Don't know if the closet kills, but it sure makes you crazy!

Sorry, Matt, but it's the truth. You've posted here and revealed your mental illness for all to see many times over, including that epic 18-hour, 13,000 post meltdown. You are a mentally ill, often overtly deranged, loony idiot, who randomly tosses out threats to anyone who dares to disagree with your stupidity.

And, with that, I'll follow my own advice and move on since you're just not worth the time.

Who the hell is Matt????

You can be an artistic actor and still have a mainstream film career. Lots of artistic actors like to do studio movies for the massive paychecks that come with it. Then go back to doing indie art house films, for the prestige and acclaim that comes with it.

[quote]she is embarrassing in the stage version of V/V. Even Liza was better.

Horseshit I saw both. I saw Andrews right after opening night, she was lovely. Saw Liza and she shhhh shhhh so much it was the first time I ever walked out of a show at intermission to this day.

Lots of holes,

Lots of trolls.

R77-R83 and other Julie Jihadists need to be imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay.

R78 I mean.

Matt Anscher, R81, who is half a dozen of DL's most persistent trolls. He really does think "Bedknobs & Broomsticks" is the best movie ever and Angela Lansbury the best musical performer. He hates Julie Andrews, hates "The Sound of Music," hates "cracker breeder goyim," loves Pete Buttigieg, hates the trans community, hates immigrants, is all over the Broadway threads and is probably best known for writing a script that will continually spam threads until they reach the 600-post mark, thereby killing them.

This is a typical example of his posts:

is why every fucking cracker breeder goy on the face of the Earth needs to be rounded up so they can DIE IN A GREASE FIRE, YOU WORTHLESS GENTILE VERMIN. GAYS, JEWS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE SUPERIOR TO EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS AT ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING AND DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING FORGET IT, BOY! IF IT WASN'T FOR JEWS AND GAY PEOPLE YOU'D STILL BE LIVING IN MUD HUTS AND SHIT AND DYING AT 30. UNLIKE WITH THOSE YOU HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY OPPRESSED OVER THE PAST FEW MILLENNIA, ALL THE SO-CALLED "STEREOTYPES" ABOUT WHITE HETEROSEXUAL GENTILES ARE BASED IN REALITY. YOUR WORDS AND DEEDS PROVE TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SUB-SUBRACE OF REPTILIAN VERMIN. YOU'RE BULLIES, BIGOTS, AND BARBARIANS WITH NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER THAT ANY GAY PERSON, JEW, OR PERSON OF COLOR IS BOUND TO RESPECT. YOU ARE NOT HUMAN AND AS SUCH YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO HUMAN RIGHTS. GAYS, JEWS, AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.

GOYISM IS RACISM. GOYISM IS SEXISM. GOYISM IS HOMOPHOBIA. GOYISM IS ANTI-SEMITISM. IT IS THE CAUSE OF ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD TODAY AND SINCE YOU FUCKING CRACKER BREEDER GOY VERMIN FIRST MADE UP THE JESUS MYTH TO JUSTIFY THE ILLEGAL GOYISCHE OCCUPATION OF JEWISH LAND, LIKE YOU'RE STILL DOING TODAY BY SUPPORTING THE VILE PALESTINAZI HATE CULT. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR HATE CRIMES AND HATE SPEECH. YOU HAVE JUSTIFIED YOUR OWN GENOCIDE WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING YOU DO.

GAYS, JEWS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR UNITE AGAINST THE CRACKER BREEDER GOY OPPRESSOR CLASSES! THEY ARE THE REAL AXIS OF EVIL! THEY WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING BUT VILE SUB-SUBHUMAN WASTES OF SPACE, LOWER THAN ALL OTHER LIVING THINGS ON EARTH PUT TOGETHER. KILL WHITEY! KILL STRAIGHTIE! KILL THE GOYIM! DO IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW BEFORE THEY DESTROY THE EARTH!

R79, R80, R81 and R82 are all tone deaf.

R80, stop trying to demonize normal behavior. The only way to kill a troll is to burn the bridge the troll lives under.

An artistic actor can have a mainstream career, because their range, talent, and taste mean they can do both. A commercial actor (think Chris Evans) will have a much tougher time doing indie or arthouse, if ever at all. Their range is much more limited. They are yes-men.

Affinity for this smarmy hack is like affinity for Anita Bryant in this day and age.

The joys of the Ignore button.

The AMPAS should have been criminally investigated for giving awards to her, Cher, Eminem, or Vanessa Redgrave.

R90/R92, grow out of your baby tastes.

[quote]she sucked in all of those shows. She has never been able to play anything other than a variation on her own cloying and phony personality.She was the weak link in My Fair Lady, and that’s why she didn’t win the Tony.

Bullshit.

Julie Andrews got unanimously rave reviews for "My Fair Lady".

Brooks Atikinson NYT 1956:

"“But it is the acting of Miss Andrews and Mr,. Harrison in the central roles that makes “My Fair Lady” affecting as well as amusing. Miss Andrews does a magnificent job. The transformation from street-corner drab to lady is both touching and beautiful. Out of the muck of Covent Garden something glorious blossoms, and Miss Andrews acts her part triumphantly.”

Affinity for shitty Julie Andrews movies - and there are no other kinds, just as there are no genuinely bad Judy Garland movies - is one reason why Boomers are hated by every generation before and after them. She’s not that great.

In fact, I wish someone would do to [italic]The Sound of Music[/italic] what Gus Van Sant did to [italic]Psycho[/italic]: remake it shot-for-shot with Ernie Lehman’s script and Irwin Kostal’s orchestrations in the exact same locations with 8k digital cameras.

Meanwhile, Mary Martin’s lesbianism is already well established

She has the warmth of a deep freeze.

OP/Matt Anscher, she was voted the #1 box office attraction in 1966 and 1967. and #3 in 1968. She won the Academy award for Best Actress, and was nominated two other times for it.

I think it's pretty safe to say she indeed "made it in films."

R95: They lied, and even so, if she was that integral to the show’s success, then it would’ve closed after she left it, and the movie would’ve sank without a trace like so many of its successors that cast nonsinging undubbed leads.

When Julie Andrews plays Eliza, it’s easy to sympathize with Henry Higgins.

When Audrey Hepburn plays Eliza, it’s easy to sympathize with her.

I admire her, and really enjoyed her memoir 'Home'. I haven't read the more recent book she's written.

[quote]They lied, and even so, if she was that integral to the show’s success, then it would’ve closed after she left it..

How stupid can you get?

And BTW where did you ever read that Julie Andrews was "integral to the show’s success"? She gave a smashing performance as did her costars. All eventually left and were replaced with others as happens with any long running show.

[R45] Marion Marlowe was a lesbian.

ignore-Dar reveals 40 of the posts on this thread are all by the same troll, Matt Anscher.

She was brilliant as Eliza- one of the greatest musical comedy performances in theatre history. And she was barely 20. He way with the score has never been tampered with either- a bit like Streisand in Funny Girl. And when she was a child protege in GB with a voice that was almost freakishly beautiful. I have no idea if she was gay. Blake Edwards sure was- she does have a family which she has been devoted to and she is as nice as can be- completely down to earth too.

[quote]In real life, Maria was a bigger hard ass than the captain, and the Von Trapp family resented that aspect of the show. But once the money started rolling in from the movie, they kept their mouths shut because it was good for tourism.

That may be true, but we're not talking about the real-life person, we're talking about Maria as portrayed in THE SOUND OF MUSIC -- a liberal, free spirited life force, the exact opposite of a "priss."

R42, you are a total idiot. R62. MARY POPPINS and THE SOUND OF MUSIC are iconic movies by ANY measure. You are also a total idiot, though I'm not sure if you're the same total idiot at R42.

[quote]Matt Anscher, who is half a dozen of DL's most persistent trolls.

I don't doubt you for a second, but can you explain how you ever found out this person's name/identity?

R102, Here's a link.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

The Time magazine is wrong. The ending of My Fair Lady has it both ways. It is both satisfying in it's romantic possibities as their relationship has developed into strong feelings of deep hurt frustration and anger and longing and yet when Higgins ask where his slippers are he is mocking himself and she stands there ambiguously. She does not go for his slippers. What will she do? She has come back but what will be the terms? We have no idea. In it's attempts at being a romantic musical it is ultimately emphatically unromantic. Sher's woke staging at the end shows basically how fundamentally wokeness is sophomoric and it's in any case stolen from Bergman's direction of A Doll's house which because people today have no memory didn't call him on it. It made sense there but not in this. Geilgud said Hepburn's acting was better than Andrew's.

'Gielgud'

But was she a Joan Crawford/Elizabeth Taylor level Movie Star?

For me it really doesn't matter, I've always loved Julie Andrews. I'm a millennial so I don't know how big of a Star she was in her heyday. But I've always enjoyed her film's growing up in 90s and 00s.

R107 is projecting again. Both those movies are irredeemably terrible and Maria von Trapp was not some free-spirit, just some mean-spirited Catholic bitch who probably hated gay people.

Helen Lyndon Goff was a hack and a malignant narcissist whose entire life's work should be burned, and the only reason anyone makes any excuses for her abusive behavior is because she's a woman and because she was white.

[quote]On January 18 of that year, prior to their appearance on stage at President Lyndon B. Johnson's Inaugural Gala

And LBJ was nothing but a racist hillbilly who fucked up the Vietnam War.

[italic]My Fair Lady[/italic] was better off without her then and now. She's too cutesy-poo for Eliza. Too twee. All fluff and no substance. Even shitty kids' movies were too good for her, and to expose someone like her to children is almost as irresponsible as trying to pass off Bill fucking Cosby as a role model. Yeah, I went there and I'm going there again.

[quote]A 10 year run that any actress would kill for.

None of those successes were grassroots; all were achieved through graft and crime. And bomb after bomb after bomb for the next 50 years until she became little more than an embarrassing and toxic relic of an unenlightened time. Wake up.

Jack L. Warner, who had valiantly defended Tab Hunter against George Abbott's homophobia on the set of [italic]Damn Yankees[/italic], wanted nobody else but Audrey for the role of Eliza in [italic]My Fair Lady[/italic]. He made several other considerations for the role of Henry Higgins and had to be persuaded to cast Rex Harrison. The movie was and is iconic, always has been, and always will be. It immortalizes a great show yet set an impossible standard for future stage-to-screen adaptations that none have come close to. If you don't love this movie, then you don't love [italic]My Fair Lady[/italic]. Period.

I'd rather have had Audrey in [italic]Camelot[/italic] than that horrible and racist Redgrave woman. That should be remade with Gal Gadot as Guinivere.

[quote]R58 If you were that desperate for an undubbed Eliza, then you could have gotten Sally Ann Howes.

I’d prefer Connie Stevens. Miss Concetta Ingolia (late of Brooklyn) lobbied hard for the part, and was even under contract to Warner Bros. at the time.

Connie Stevens? Was Joey Heatherton busy?

[quote]R91 Affinity for this smarmy hack is like affinity for Anita Bryant in this day and age.

Anita would have made a WONDERFUL Eliza!!

[italic]What might have been - -

The Sherman Brothers also enabled her to have a whole album of her own, R121.

R109 When you're closeted, that's as much as you can say, without coming right out and saying it. It's pretty obvious IMHO.

Isn't Christopher Plummer gay too?

Why are you fucking trolls so interested in defending her? She is the textbook example of somone who had a good voice but no idea how to use it correctly.

You can't dub bad acting. You can dub bad singing, and that's preferable to autotune.

Marni Nixon died with more of her voice than Julie has now. I'd honestly rank her as a superior singer, too.

Of all the people to have a rage-on for... Julie fucking Andrews.

1963: Hollywood musicals are alive and well

1973: Hollywood musicals are dead and buried

It's her fault the studios threw good money after bad hoping to get the same return while basing projected revenues on a statistical anomaly. And the only musicals from that era that hold up at all are the ones she wasn't in.

Leftists hate Walt Disney and everything he stood for yet they make excuse after excuse for that movie the one time their criticisms of him were spot-on.

R123. I think you’re right. Those comments from Andrews: “I loved all that she was, all that she exuded - we bonded instantly," adding: "I lost my own inhibitions and felt free beside her."

That’s as far as someone could take it without actually announcing “I’m in love with this person!”

Huh. Not that it matters, but I never realized Julie Andrews was gay.

Just like Kelly McGillis, I always knew Julie Andrews was the same. Can't say why or how - I just knew.

And not in the sense "she looks like a dyke" - more like she was saying something - and I heard her.

I get that these can just be friends, but these are two people who share a very deep bond.

Same here. I mean, how blind can you be??

Aww, they look so happy in those photos!

I’m glad they found each other.

OP must be the Loon. He was the anti-Poppins and Julie Troll who loved Bedknobs and Broomsticks. He's certifiably crazy, plus he's an aspie.

Julie was absolutely terrific and charming in her narrow range, but she comes across as uncomfortable in anything else. Same goes for her singing. Trying to hear her belt is damn near painful and is probably what ruined her voice.

If you put r25/Matt Anscher on "Ignore," suddenly half the entire thread disappears.

Julie actually has belted pretty well in musicals when she's been called upon to do it (which is not often). But she does a "soprano belt," more in line with belters of the 50s-60s. She has never done what consists of "belting" nowadays. (ie, the Idina etc kind of belting).

In any event, that's not what ruined her voice permanently. Her voice in the stage version of "Victor Victoria" is fine, but nowhere near what it was in her prime. (Of course, she was 60 by then). It was the botched surgery that left her with almost nothing, singing-wise.

The singing was pretty bad before the surgery. Before she even had it, they parodied her in "Forbidden Broadway" having one of the actresses as her singing "I Couldn't Hit That Note" (to the tune of "I Could Have Danced All Night") after a terrible TV performance.

She just sang "on her capita"l for too long, and "Victor/Victoria" was the last nail in the coffin: it just put too much strain on her. That gave her the nodes on the vocal cords, and then when the surgery was botched she couldn't sing anything any more. Before he died, Blake Edwards said people would cry if they heard her sing post-surgery because her beautiful voice was completely destroyed.

[italic]That's Life[/italic] hits too close to home to be watchable in this day and age. Her character plays — surprise, surprise — a singer having vocal surgery to remove a tumor that has been sent in for a biopsy. At the end, it's benign. Tony Bennett sings the theme song. I saw him live and he's still got it in his 90s. He makes no mention of any of his movie work, not even dubbing the singing voice of Yogi Bear!

[quote]If you put [R25]/Matt Anscher on "Ignore,"

Matt Anscher! That's an unwelcome name from the past. I thought his Aspie ass was gone.

Correction: The singer in the Yogi Bear movie was named James Darren. Cindy Bear just told him "you sing like Tony Bennett."

James Darren. Wow, I remember when he was a big star. Sort of. For about five minutes.

James Darren has aged well. He looks great for 83.

So many holes in this conversation, the thread itself must be made of Swiss Cheese.

That shows who her remaining fan base is these days: Internet trolls. Yet she wasn't even good enough for a movie about the guy who wrote "Peer Gynt"!

Matt the Loon is back at r145. Talk about internet trolls!

Yeah, Matt, I'll bet she cried into her sleep about not doing "Song of Norway."

[quote]I don't doubt you for a second, but can you explain how you ever found out this person's name/identity?

We found it out in that epic 18-hour, 13,000 post marathon meltdown of his. He was using multiple accounts and Ignoredar allowed us to put the pieces together and figure out just how many trolls he actually was. The reason he was outed the rest of the way was because of his overuse of the phrase, "cracker breeder goyim," which he's used in multiple other forums, including forums that are not anonymous. I'm not going to any further than that here but if you do a web search on his name here on DL, you'll see multiple threads.

[quote]Of all the people to have a rage-on for... Julie fucking Andrews.

He's never revealed just where that hate came from but the best guess is that it goes back to his love for "Bedknobs and Broomsticks," which he genuinely believes is the best movie ever made. The fact that "Mary Poppins" always gets better press and is widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, live-action Disney musical, superior to BnB, absolutely infuriates him. And so he takes his rage out on that movie and on its star.

OP, now you know why I called her a "cuntface."

[quote] He's never revealed just where that hate came from

Actually, he claimed for a while he was forced as a child to watch “Mary Poppins” while being sexually abused by adults. Or something like that.

It’s a shame there’s only a few minutes on Ed Sullivan that survives of the Broadway version of Camelot. I would love to have seen more of that stage production..

The sheer stupidity, ignorance, misinformation and bad taste exhibited on this misbegotten thread have no equal on Datalounge in all of its history.

R151 is new here.

[quote]Maria von Trapp was not some free-spirit, just some mean-spirited Catholic bitch who probably hated gay people.

R113, can you literally not read? As I said, I'm talking about Maria AS PORTRAYED IN THE SOUND OF MUSIC -- a liberal, free-spirited life-force who rebels against the Captain's rigid authority. I am NOT talking about the real-life historical figure.

Liza then stepped into Victor/Victoria when Julie died and she lost her voice, too.

There's something about that musical that's cursed. If you play that role, then you're going to lose your voice.

At least you can understand every word she say as opposed to Liza.

This thread has the stench of Matt's huge ass all over it.

She's dreadful, never rises above a teenager girl acting in a high school play.

When I went through a period of depression in college, I'd hunker down and listen to the original cast recording of My Fair Lady over and over and over again while playing solitaire. Not sure what it was about that combination but it got me through that period. I'd put on the album, take out the card deck, and it was like a tonic. Even now, when a My Fair Lady song from the original cast comes on a Spotify rotation, it infuses me with tranquility.

So I love her. Not a fan of her Disney movies, but love, love, love Thoroughly Modern Millie and Victor/Victoria.

R150 Actually a bootleg exists of Camelot. It's kept in Institute of the American Musical in L.A. I've never visited it so I'm not sure if the general public are allowed to watch any of the recordings.

R159, that's not the whole show. Ray Knight got a movie camera for his birthday in the early 1930s, and he started filming every Broadway musical he saw (which was, basically, everything that opened). But they don't have sound, and he didn't do an entire show, just bits and pieces throughout the evening.

But they're still remarkable. Miles Kreuger came and showed about an hour's worth of highlights to a theatre class I had at UCLA once. To see Ethel Merman and Bob Hope performing "It's Delovely" in 1936 - even though there's no sound - was amazing. I also remember how lavish the sets were, especially for "Bloomer Girl." I think the last thing he filmed was "A Little Night Music." He left the films to Miles Kreuger when he passed away, around 1973-74.

Anyway, no, the general public is not allowed to see them. The "Institute" is Miles Kreuger - it's his house. If you're young and cute (and male), he might invite you over, but a visit does not necessarily include a look at some of the film clips. There was an article about the whole thing some time ago, about all the damage he had sustained in one of the earthquakes, and he didn't have the money to repair. Lots of concern about what will happen to his collection after he passes away (and he's in his mid-80s now).

R160 Thank you for this info! I thought that might have been the case. I've seen a video on YouTube of the inside of the "Institute" and knew that it was literally Kreuger's home which looked rather disorganised and cluttered. I thought to myself how worrying it was that such significant recordings were kept in someone's living room, stacked on top of each other. I also read that same article and asked on the theatre forums about it but no one had any updates.

But how wonderful that he shared some of the footage with you! I hope when he passes he bequeaths the footage to an actual museum who can digitally archive and restore the material. However, that would probably result in more restrictions and even fewer people having the chance to see any of it.

I do wish that the recordings could just be digitalised and put online but I'm sure due to legal reasons that can never happen.

Miles doesn’t like to share his toys.

Because I was, in fact, young & cute when I was in school, I did get an invite to the inner sanctum. This was before the earthquake, and before the decay set in.

[quote] Liza then stepped into Victor/Victoria when Julie died and she lost her voice, too. There's something about that musical that's cursed. If you play that role, then you're going to lose your voice.

Wasn’t Raquel Welch in it at one point?

Matt the Aspie Loon is really stinking up this thread.

No one cares about you and your Andrews hate, Matt.

I’ve heard you’ve gained all the weight back, by the way.

Wow, the last 14 posts are on Ignore. Mental illness is a real thing and I feel sorry for anyone who has it.

Who would sue this guy? Everybody's dead. Is this one of those things nobody is allowed to see for 100 years like Jackie's pink Channel outfit?

Andrews sang full out since she was a girl in the British musical hall probably a number of times a day. Then singing 8 perfs a week in MFL for 2-3 years(which nobody would do today god forbid) it's a wonder her voice lasted as long as it did. She had a great run. I just wish that after her husband's assassination of her film career she returned to Broadway in a great revival or Night Music. She had at least another 10 years in her and was doing Edward's rot like The Tamarind Seed and 10. Even if you like V/V it hardly makes up for the rest of Blakes comic sewage.

Actually, there was a glitch and the last 15 posts are showing now. Most of them are normal, but this thread has suffered.

[quote]r145 she wasn't even good enough for a movie about the guy who wrote "Peer Gynt"!

I would like to see a musical with lots of dancing about "Peer Gimp".

Jules could play his trilling physical therapist.

[quote] Edward's rot like The Tamarind Seed and 10

I recently saw The Tamarind Seed for the first time and quite liked it, a solid intellectual thriller.

And 10 was a big hit.

Agreed, r169 (although I'm sure you can understand why the word 'intellectual' would be anathema to most posters on DL). And Andrews gives possibly her greatest screen performance in DUET FOR ONE.

10 was a big hit but she was barely in it from what I remember and she had nothing to do with its success. That was due completely to a naked Bo Derek. TTS was a huge flop. Anyway she was wasted in both of them and her TV show was a calamity. When you think she was still in her 30s for half of the 70s it's pretty pathetic how her great talent was underutilized. As the Village Voice said the answer to her career woes was divorce. Let's face it she's beloved for just two movies both made when she was not even 30. Admittedly two of the most popular movies ever made which is something considering she's a major part of their success.

Like Streisand she needed a studio mogul to get a better body of work out of her.

[quote]Let's face it she's beloved for just two movies both made when she was not even 30. Admittedly two of the most popular movies ever made which is something considering she's a major part of their success.

That's largely true, but she's also beloved for her Broadway work in THE BOY FRIEND, MY FAIR LADY and CAMELOT, even though all of those only survive for posterity mainly through the cast recordings and some photos, and also for the original version of Rodgers and Hammerstein's TV musical CINDERELLA (which was belatedly released to home video) and for the films THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE and VICTOR/VICTORIA, both big hits.

Plus, Hawaii was a huge hit, too, even though her role is supporting in it. For that matter, so was Torn Curtain and The Americanization of Emily. Her box office stinkers didn't start till Star! and Darling Lili.

Not sure if Hawaii was a big hit due to its big budget though she's excellent in it. I wouldn't be surprised if it barely made its money back in its original release.

According to Wikipedia, Hawaii cost $15 million and made $34.5 million; as mentioned above, it was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1966.

[quote]And 10 was a big hit.

It has aged like the artificially processed cheese substitute it is.

I agree that 10 has aged terribly, but it doesn't have anything to do with that fact that it was a huge hit when it came out.

[quote]And Andrews gives possibly her greatest screen performance in DUET FOR ONE.

Doing your best work at Cannon Films is like breaking home run records on a single-A team. Why is that film virtually forgotten while her first two film musicals are put on a pedestal? Disney would still have struggled without Walt with or without their movie, but it did nothing to stop them from almost getting taken over despite already being on video at the time, and Fox still almost went bankrupt again five years after theirs. If it hadn't been for her, the studios still would have kept making musicals but likely wouldn't have thrown so much money at them that they pushed them into "Too Big to Fail" status.

My point is that Julie had NOTHING to do with the success of 10. I bet 90% of the audiences had no idea going in she was even in it.

No, but she shared in its glory, r180. All the reviews mentioned her very favorably, and lauded her performance.

[quote]r178 I agree that 10 has aged terribly

No other film has ever benefited from casting in the way 10 did.

Bo Derek is literally the only reason to see the film ... and I believe she's actually in it for just ten minutes or so. (Kim Basinger, Tanya Roberts, and the director's own daughter Jennifer Edwards were all screen tested for her role.)

But let’s face it: the scene giffed at r182 is an iconic moment in cinema.

She's in it for that little? In memory she seems to be the entire movie.

And Julie wasn't even in that scene.

Talk about aging terribly, so has the film of "My Fair Lady." It's stagey and static. Filming the whole thing on soundstages was a huge mistake, and it makes the movie claustrophobic. Rex Harrison is fine, though he didn't deserve the Oscar over Burton, O'Toole, and Quinn.

Audrey Hepburn is just okay, nothing special. The best performances are by Stanley Holloway and Gladys Cooper.

Nobody remembers the scene she was in, nor the song she sang in it which somehow got an Oscar nomination. "The Rainbow Connection" from [italic]The Muppet Movie[/italic] has had the most staying power out of all the songs nominated that year.

Doesn't change the fact that she got good reviews and was considered a part of its success at the time. You can't rewrite Julie's film history, r187, as much as you would like to. She was a huge star for most of the 1960s, starred in several big hits, and has an enduring legacy from her film and Broadway careers. As much as you hate her, you will never change that.

By the way, how are things, Matt? Still crazy? Still an Asperger's mess? How's your weight doing? Keeping it off?

[quote]r184 She's in it for that little? In memory she seems to be the entire movie.

Much of Bo Derek's contribution is shots of her seen through Dudley Moore's eyes ... glimpsed in a car, sunbathing on the beach, etc. As I recall, her only real extended scene is when she has dinner with him, then goes to his hotel room to thank him for saving her husband's life. They then start to have sex but don't complete it. That's pretty much her whole performance.

The whole concept of her role is that someone can seem appealing from afar ... but then sometimes when you get to know them, they're not as interesting.

[quote]The whole concept of her role is that someone can seem appealing from afar ... but then sometimes when you get to know them, they're not as interesting.

Just like the subject of this thread.

Bo Derek was/is, unfortunately, mentally retarded, which somewhat inhibited her options as an actress.

[quote] Bo Derek was/is, unfortunately, mentally retarded, which somewhat inhibited her options as an actress.

That's why Britney Spears never made any more movies after [italic]Crossroads[/italic].

The Richard Harris 50th anniversary bluray restoration of My Fair Lady is very beautiful. I very strongly recommend seeing it on a large TV. I think it holds up extremely well some of it stunningly so however it has divided people ever since it was first released. There has never been a consensus on it. Even Audrey seems to have regretted doing it but how do you turn down the role of a lifetime? Some think it's one of the great movie musicals and others think it's a slog. There isn't much middle ground. I think though Jack Warner expected it to do the business The Sound of Music did and be a huge international hit and it wasn't. Cecil Beaton in his diaries writes that the London premiere was a disappointment and neither he or Andre Previn felt it was the film it could have been.

On the TCM in Memoriam this year they included Previn, call him a composer and use a shot from My Fair Lady! I'm not sure he would have appreciated that. Well it's better than using See No Evil I suppose.

[quote]Liza then stepped into Victor/Victoria when Julie died and she lost her voice, too. There's something about that musical that's cursed. If you play that role, then you're going to lose your voice.

Liza did every drug known to mankind, womankind, and probably even donkeykind in the 1970s as well. It's a miracle she's still alive when her mother didn't live to be 50. What's Julie's excuse?

We need to do an even more horrible remake of MY FAIR LADY. With Liza.

Everyone in it should be around 22, except her.

A remake of [italic]My Fair Lady[/italic] would be horrible with or without Liza. I would throw the Bill of Rights in a paper shredder first. Take the advice of the Australian who lost her marbles before she lost her voice and leave it alone, leave it alone, leave it alone, just leave it alone, please leave it alone, God leave it alone, leave it!

Audrey was shocked when she found out she was going to be dubbed. Did she not have ears? Even in “Funny Face,” whose songs she almost makes work on charm alone, her pitch problem is quite evident. Her singing in “Just You Wait” (where she does everything but the interlude) is pretty bad. Much like Natalie Wood, she was able to sing, but it was in a voice with no tone or beauty of its own.

I agree with Pauline Kael on "My fair Lady":

[quote] The film seems to go on for about 45 minutes after the story is finished. Audrey Hepburn is an affecting Liza, though she is totally unconvincing as a guttersnipe, and is made to sing with that dreadfully impersonal Marni Nixon voice that has issued from so many other screen stars. Rex Harrison had already played Higgins more than a bit too often.

Anyone who can still sing after 60 is better than her.

Yes it does make you wonder about the delusional self absorption of a Hollywood star. How could she have no idea there was no way she could sing such a role? It seems everyone knew from the beginning she would be dubbed except her. I love her in the film but though they could have used her Wouldn't it be Loverly the rest of the songs would have been horrendous.

Funny that Christopher Plummer of all people admitted he wasn't up to the modest singing demands of Von Trapp and readily agreed to having himself dubbed.

About those final 45 minutes they are the whole point of the story. And I know of nobody who saw the original production who complained about its length. Maybe the movie itself is just poorly paced.

You know when Julie inevitably dies in a few years, Matt will be here and go on one of his nasty unmedicated rampages.

I'm going to have to avoid Datalounge for a few days when that happens. I will be too sad to deal with his nasty psycho bullshit.

Some of you sure are desperate to defend someone who screwed up her voice with lousy technique, never could play anything other than a variation of herself, was never more than a so-so dancer, and sold out the LGB and g*nd*r-nonconformist communities with that nonbinary shit on that Netflix puppet show.

I'm not just singling her out for shock value; I won't listen to Sam Smith either because HE is a sellout.

Well Julie was first choice for B and B. Where would he be if she had taken the role?

[quote] OP, now you know why I called her a "cuntface."

Matt, using Ignore-dar we can all clearly see here [bold]you are talking to yourself.[/bold]

Cunt

Pauline Kael was a heterosexist old biddy who used her heterosexual privilege to enable some of the most pretentious crap ever shat out by American cinema. It's not like she was the only female movie critic then or now.

[quote]The singing was pretty bad before the surgery. Before she even had it, they parodied her in "Forbidden Broadway" having one of the actresses as her singing "I Couldn't Hit That Note" (to the tune of "I Could Have Danced All Night") after a terrible TV performance.

[quote]She just sang "on her capita"l for too long, and "Victor/Victoria" was the last nail in the coffin: it just put too much strain on her. That gave her the nodes on the vocal cords, and then when the surgery was botched she couldn't sing anything any more. Before he died, Blake Edwards said people would cry if they heard her sing post-surgery because her beautiful voice was completely destroyed.

Good singers keep their voices after the age of 60 and she did not.

Better a clever cunt than a stupid cunt, though.

Well you've got to decide if you want to be a cunt among cunts or a cunt alone.

[italic]You’ll never cunt alone....

[quote]The Richard Harris 50th anniversary bluray restoration of My Fair Lady is very beautiful. I very strongly recommend seeing it on a large TV. I think it holds up extremely well some of it stunningly so however it has divided people ever since it was first released. There has never been a consensus on it. Even Audrey seems to have regretted doing it but how do you turn down the role of a lifetime? Some think it's one of the great movie musicals and others think it's a slog. There isn't much middle ground.

Robert Harris. Actually, I would say I stand on the middle ground in regard to the MY FAIR LADY movie. Every time I watch it, I'm struck by the fact that five minutes or so will go by with everything pretty much working perfectly, and then some sort of bad decision or careless mistake comes along and takes you out of the movie for a few seconds or minutes, then it gets really good again for awhile, then there's another bad piece of direction or some other flaw.....and so on and so on. But probably the biggest flaw of all is that Marni Nixon's singing voice is a very poor match for Hepburn's speaking voice, so every time Eliza sings, you're completely taken out of the movie. At least, I am. Marni's one poor dubbing job, though it wasn't her fault at all.

[quote]Even if you like V/V it hardly makes up for the rest of Blakes comic sewage.

The only good films Blake Edwards made after he married her were the ones she wasn't in.

It's pretty well known that Jules served as an "intermediary" (ie, highly placed madam) between many, MANY starlets and producers/money men visiting Hollywood from Europe. Her home with Edwards was an open house for these events, with both clearing a tidy fee. It's how they paid the bills when regular work dried up.

Unfortunately, her onscreen life wasn't nearly as interesting.

[quote]Like Streisand she needed a studio mogul to get a better body of work out of her.

Yet Andrews did more to damage the studio system which was already in decline to begin with because of TV. [italic]Star![/italic] lost 10 million for Fox but [italic]Hello, Dolly![/italic] almost broke even and might have had David Merrick not shaken Fox down for more money to open it early.

r214:

The title role in her first film was supposed to be much older and less cutesy. The movie is a travesty of a book that sucked to begin with.

Peter Sellers' three performances in "Dr. Strangelove" deserved at least one Oscar. Sorry, Rex.

[italic]Dr. Strangelove[/italic] hasn't aged well. I tried to re-watch it recently and fell right to sleep. Trying to say the US and the Russians are no different from one another just doesn't fly in 2019, and neither does that Disney treacle.

[italic]My Fair Lady[/italic] won 8 Oscars and deserved 9.

Matt the Aspie mess has returned. In fact, 3/4 of this thread is him. It’s his own personal little kingdom.

No one agrees with you about anything, Matt. Not about Julie, and not about the awful Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

Matt’s big change.org petition. He got 34 whole signers!

She almost bankrupted Fox and Paramount. You want her to bankrupt United Artists and Disney as well? You want to make the Sherman Brothers virtually unemployable?

Matt, you’re fatt.

F&F the insane OP.

Is it true she was offered the role of Anne in VALLEY OF THE DOLLS?

Reportedly she held out for the part of Neely, but the studio was having [italic]none of it.

Thank you. Richard rather than Robert came immediately into my head. Yes it is certainly one of the worst dubbing jobs done in a movie. And with Andre Previn and Alan Jay Lerner supervising this is inexplicable. Especially considering the musical supervision and conducting are so wonderful.

By the way this most recent Harris restoration is far superior to the one he did in the 90s which got a rave review from Janet Maslin in the Times and sold out performances at the Ziegfeld. I'm assuming he came across better elements? If only I could see it again on the 80ft screen at the Warner Cinerama on Broadway with that spectacular 6 track sound system before the wretched airblasting days of Dolby.

Every time I see Jeremy looking so f-cking beautiful I see him leaving the stage door of the Atkinson skinny as can be puffing away on a cigarette dressed in the silliest Brit clothes he probably picked up at Mark and Spencers in the 70s and walking by himself towards 8th Av.

she and her deceased hubby both gay, but with family....la dee dah

What proof is there Blake is gay? I kind of get Julie a lot of great female singers are. I don't know why exactly. But Blake I don't get at all.

[quote]Every time I see Jeremy looking so f-cking beautiful I see him leaving the stage door of the Atkinson skinny as can be puffing away on a cigarette dressed in the silliest Brit clothes he probably picked up at Mark and Spencers in the 70s and walking by himself towards 8th Av.

Sorry, I have no idea which Jeremy you're referring to, or what it has to do with this thread. Can you clarify?

Well it's a bit off topic but we were talking about the film of MFL. And I was referring to Jeremy Brett who late in life achieved great fame as Sherlock Holmes. In MFL he plays Freddie who completely ignoring Eliza as flower girl becomes completely besotted with her as she comes into her own as an accomplished young lady. I saw him in Aren't We All on Broadway and waited to meet him at the stage door with my film program. When I showed it to him he couldn't believe it and he laughed. I told him it was one of my favorite films and he said it was one of his as well. A bit later in the run of Holmes and I wouldn't have gotten anywhere near him. I had no idea he had already appeared with Audrey in War and Peace. Both his long term lovers died of aids so I wonder if he didn't as well and it was covered up. He was too big a star when he died probably to have it known. His first wife the wonderful Anna Massey said he was torn apart by his homosexuality and the Holmes fan deny it and say she was just a bitter nasty woman saying Brett was gay. They had a son who is a writer out in CA who goes by the name of Huggins Brett's original name. He probably tries to avoid the Holmes' fans.

You can attack the USA and everything it stands for here and get away with it, but attack a washed-up Boomer-era relic such as Julie fucking Andrews and suddenly you're a nonperson?

Talk about self-hating!

[quote]she and her deceased hubby both gay, but with family....la dee dah

I'll believe Blake was gay before I believe she was or is. After that Netflix show, do we even want her? I say no. If she actually is a lesbian, then doing that show is the ultimate act of betrayal to the LGB community.

Julie's vocal technique was always rock-solid. I'm a musical director in the professional theatre, and I know my stuff. Julie's vocal health started to decline when she made the film of Victor/Victoria. Caused by pushing low notes in the bottom of her register, which is very dangerous. Attempting to sing high notes can give you a sore throat, but doesn't do permanent damage. Pushing low notes leads to vocal nodules. Sadly, when what she needed was vocal rest and a return to the soprano world, Julie did the stage version of V/V which finished her off completely. The surgery wasn't botched -not even close. Blaming the surgeon has always been a convenient excuse for Julie blowing her voice apart with unwise choices. Contrast that with the late, great Barbara Cook. Her voice was lovely well into her 80s! Why? because she altered her repertoire (and sometimes keys) to suit her voice as she aged. She stopped singing "Glitter and Be Gay" long ago. If she had aged out of a song, she admitted it and gave it up.

For [R43}, I saw Petula Clark in The Sound of Music in London. Yes, she was far too old for the role, but she acquitted herself well both in her singing and her acting. The production had many, many faults, but Petula was the least of their problems.

Back to Julie... I don't know if she's a Lesbian. I've heard the same rumors for years about her, her choices in husbands, and her relationship with Carol Burnett. Whatever. Another poster mentioned how Julie served as a sort of role model for young Lesbians. Good for her and good for them. Whether she is or not, she helped some young women feel better about themselves and their world! If she really is gay, I hope she has a hot, younger girlfriend who rocks her world. If she really is straight, no harm no foul...

Dubbing in film musicals. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Christopher Plummer was dubbed in The Sound of Music, but I've heard his original vocals, and they would have been fine. Not as "smooth" as Bill Lee's contribution, but in the context of a character who hasn't sung in years he would have been fine. Likewise, there was absolutely no need to dub Jeremy Brett in My Fair Lady. Today's audiences don't tolerate dubbing, so actors have to polish their singing skills if they want to do a film musical these days. I don't imagine this summer's release of In The Heights will have any dubbing at all. In the 60s and 70s the studios still ran things, and they had stars to promote -sometimes at the expense of the material (and the star). So Audrey Hepburn got My Fair Lady, and Natalie Wood got West Side Story. Audrey knew she would be dubbed, and was embarrassed. Natalie was lied to and manipulated and genuinely mortified when the film was released.

Bedknobs and Broomsticks. Very fun film, and much better in its uncut form (as are so many things...). In its initial release it was barely coherent. The restored scenes and songs show that it was a Disney masterpiece easily on par with Mary Poppins and others. The animated football game is still classic -and incredibly funny. But why go into fights of comparing Lansbury to Julie Andrews -or anyone else for that matter. Lansbury and Andrews are so unalike! It's not a zero-sum game. Both can be wonderful without the other needing to be diminished.

Julie's career. You'd have to be a total idiot to argue that she hasn't been extremely successful both with audiences and critics. She made millions at the box office, picked up awards, and became a household name. She's still working. We should all have such a "terrible" career! Is she a brilliant actress? No, I don't think so. Neither is Liza. I never really liked (as actors) Marlon Brando, Elizabeth Taylor, or Sir Laurents Olivier. Doesn't mean I feel a need to tear them, or their work, down. They just never did anything for me up on the screen. So what? Some actors have "star quality" which counts as much or more as acting talent. Two actresses who come to mind, whom I've seen on stage as well as in film, are Kathleen Turner and Stephanie Powers. They've done good work on screen, but nothing to necessarily write home about. But live, in the theatre, they both exuded so much star power that the knocked you out of your seat. Turner playing Mrs. Robinson in The Graduate in London kept your attention 100% every moment she was on the stage. Powers, in the flop musical Matador, was drenched in class and confidence. She had a largely thankless role, and one good song –But she was clearly The Star of the show. That's something you don't learn. You either have it or you don't.

So. Is Julie Andrews overrated? By whom, and by what measures? Hugely successful in her career? Check. Talented performer? Check. Bankable box office? Check. She had her flops, just like everyone else. But she achieved iconic status in a film that will never be forgotten, and has worked in showbiz for more than sixty years! She may not be your personal favorite, but it's totally unfair to say she is overrated.

R233, I think there's a lot of truth in what you wrote, BUT I really don't think it was the film of VICTOR/VICTORIA that started Julie's vocal problems. As a film, it obviously didn't require her to sing the songs over and over again and push her lower register and her belt register eight times as a week as she did in the stage version of V/V, which is when I agree that the major damage to her voice was done. But there had been some problems even before that, even before the movie of V/V, I think some of them just due to the way her voice aged.

[quote]Likewise, there was absolutely no need to dub Jeremy Brett in My Fair Lady.

I have no idea if that's true, as I've never heard Jeremy Brett's actual singing voice. But I will say that the singing of the guy they chose to dub him in MFL is an extremely poor match for Jeremy's speaking voice, which unfortunately ruins the effect of "On the Street Where You Live." The movie of MFL certainly has its strenghts, but I think the poor dubbing of both Hepburn and Brett are among its biggest flaws.

Brett had a lovely voice -He even had an album out at one point.

R231 is definitely Matt the Loon, who is a total Rethuglican scum.

Brett had a lovely-ISH singing voice. Not the kind of major legit baritone needed for Freddy. The show was written for a patter-song Higgins, and Eliza and Freddy are supposed to be the read vocal chops in the piece. Imagine if they had Audrey and Jeremy doing their own singing!

[quote]Bedknobs and Broomsticks. Very fun film, and much better in its uncut form (as are so many things...). In its initial release it was barely coherent. The restored scenes and songs show that it was a Disney masterpiece easily on par with Mary Poppins and others. The animated football game is still classic -and incredibly funny. But why go into fights of comparing Lansbury to Julie Andrews -or anyone else for that matter. Lansbury and Andrews are so unalike! It's not a zero-sum game. Both can be wonderful without the other needing to be diminished.

They had the same film editor: Cotton Warburton, who used to be a football player, and Mr. Drummond mentioned him to Arnold as an example of successful short people in an episode of [italic]Diff'rent Strokes[/italic] where Arnold goes to a doctor and learns he won't likely grow more than five feet tall.

Conrad Bain was also in [italic]Star![/italic], for what it's worth.

I appreciate you trying to bring nuance into this, R234, but still some people just don't get it: it was Julie who sold us out with a Netflix show that bore her name and had her daughter producing it! She was not merely a guest star the same week. All that enby shit is gay erasure and you know it. How can anyone not be disappointed in her after that?

Face it - the nodes on her vocal cords came from the long, prolonged deepthroating sessions she gave studio execs all those years.

The doctor she was suing had evidence of this in his attorney's answering brief. That's why she settled out of court and dropped the case.

What about the rumors that Julie used her Oscar as a strap-on and pegged Blake with it?

I think Brett is extremely well dubbed though I wonder if he ever made the vocals. Most people think that's Brett singing. He clearly was angry he was dubbed as he sang professionally in operetta.

Matt is all over this thread AGAIN, making nasty sexual comments.

Yes, he's there again at r240. What a mess he is!

The big holes in this thread yet again prove what kind of people still like her in this day and age: trolls.

How do these posts get deleted? Can the poster delete them? Or is it Muriel being dictatorial. I want to read what Matt said at 240.

[quote]I think Brett is extremely well dubbed though I wonder if he ever made the vocals. Most people think that's Brett singing. He clearly was angry he was dubbed as he sang professionally in operetta.

I completely disagree, I don't that MFL dubber's singing voice sounds ANYTHING like Brett's speaking voice. The timbre is completely different, and for that matter, so is the accent -- the dubber sounds far more baritonal and far less British.

[quote]Matt is all over this thread AGAIN, making nasty sexual comments.

If someone like THAT can't be banned from the DL for life, who can? Or has he been banned and does he keep turning up under different identities?

Musicals weren't ritually called dead in 1960.

They were in 1970.

She's why.

[quote]Musicals weren't ritually called dead in 1960. They were in 1970. She's why.

They died in the 1970s after having an incredible rebirth in the 1960s, thanks to hugely popular films like WEST SIDE STORY, MARY POPPINS, THE SOUND OF MUSIC, THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE, and OLIVER! Julie Andrews starred in THREE of those movies. You POS asshole.

Well you are the first person I've come across who has had a problem with Brett's dubbing. Nobody and I mean nobody else has. But then there's always one.

My Fair Lady is a fucking bore, anyway. It certainly isn't a film for the ages, the way "The Sound of Music" and several other musicals are. The decision to film the entire thing on sound stages was a huge mistake, which is why the movie hasn't aged well at all.

[quote]Musicals weren't ritually called dead in 1960. They were in 1970. She's why.

What a stupid, stupid comment. Julie's Star and Darling Lili took their tolls, but she had nothing to do with Paint Your Wagon, Hello Dolly, and Sweet Charity, the unholy trinity that is thought to be most responsible for the death of movie musicals.

[quote]Well you are the first person I've come across who has had a problem with Brett's dubbing. Nobody and I mean nobody else has. But then there's always one.

Then no one else has ears. To repeat: The baritonal timbre of Bill Shirley's singing voice is very different from the tenorial timbre of Jeremy Brett's speaking voice, and on top of that, Shirley only slightly indicates a British accent, whereas Brett of course has a full-on British accent. For those who DO have ears, give a listen to the clip at the link, and you'll immediately hear that the voice saying the dialogue is a very different one from the voice singing the lyrics.

[quote]Well you are the first person I've come across who has had a problem with Brett's dubbing. Nobody and I mean nobody else has. But then there's always one.

Then no one else has ears. To repeat: The baritonal timbre of Bill Shirley's singing voice is very different from the tenorial timbre of Jeremy Brett's speaking voice, and on top of that, Shirley only slightly indicates a British accent, whereas Brett of course has a full-on British accent. For those who DO have ears, give a listen to the clip at the link, and you'll immediately hear that the voice saying the dialogue is a very different one from the voice singing the lyrics.

None of Disney's musicals prior to 1964, hybrid or otherwise, were over two hours. [italic]So Dear to My Heart[/italic] wasn't even 90 minutes long!

Star and Darling Lili are as infamous as any movies in sinking the movie musicals. I'm a huge Julie fan but those two are unwatchable. And I grew up loving the cut out lp of Star which is pretty wonderful. Then I saw the film and was practically in shock it was so bad. Same for the wonderful lp of Finian's Rainbow. How can such terrible movie musicals make such good soundtrack albums?

I love Sweet Charity. I have no idea why people hate it. It contains some of Fosse's best screen numbers with the Rich Man's Frug being the best thing he ever put on film.. And it is wonderfully cast. So MacLaine can't dance the role very well. Her performance is terrific. Verdon was getting too old to dance the role in any case. She was supposedly cancelling often. One can already see her slowing down in the Ed Sullivan Brass Band clip.

[quote]How can such terrible movie musicals make such good soundtrack albums?

Agreed. CAROUSEL is another movie/album in that category.

[quote]I love Sweet Charity. I have no idea why people hate it.

It has lots of wonderful individual sequences and performances, but the movie overall is a stylistic mess. From scene to scene, Fosse keeps trying different things as far as stop motion, slow motion, still photos, color tints, subtitles, quick zooms in and out, and so on. It all becomes wearying and annoying very quickly, IMHO.

[italic]The Sound of Music[/italic] is too technically well-made to hate outright. Some of Ted McCord's work as director of photography is bloody brilliant, both in the exteriors and in the interiors. The fact that they could get such impressive shots in relatively low light in 65mm before they introduced high-speed film stock is nothing to sniff at.

The only problem is that you have to spend three hours with her. I loved it when I was a kid, but now I'm sick of it and her.

[quote]For [[R43]}, I saw Petula Clark in The Sound of Music in London. Yes, she was far too old for the role, but she acquitted herself well both in her singing and her acting. The production had many, many faults, but Petula was the least of their problems.

Oh, I wasn't knocking Pet, especially if she could succeed where Julie failed in keeping (some) of her voice after 60, especially now that she's closer to 90 than 80 now. But that was the first production IIRC to incorporate parts of the movie, including the two post-Hammerstein new songs; they cast Honor "Pussy Galore" Blackman as the Baroness and she couldn't really sing.

But Blackman at least came across as older than Petulan, which helped the show dramatically. Michael Jayston (Nicholas and Alexandra) was the Captain. The production claimed to use the entire stage score, along with the film's added songs, but "An Ordinary Couple" was dropped. It also made a big deal out of the "A bell is no bell til you ring it..." bit that was supposedly the last lyric Hammerstein ever wrote. What killed the show, for me, was including a bazillion reprises of all the children's numbers. It was mind-numbing. Also, June Bronhill's voice was so shrill and bleating in "Climb Ev'ry Mountain" that I literally had to go to the lobby as my ears were throbbing to the beats in her voice, and my sinuses were draining (not kidding). The production was so overblown that every bit of charm from the original was vanquished. That said, it was beautiful to look at, and the cast album isn't bad at all.

No kidding: I went to a sing-along [italic]Sound of Music[/italic] in San Francisco, and when she sang "lo and behold, you're someone's wife, and you belong to him," there was booing at the screen.

Well, it's a pretty regressive lyric. I don't think it would go over well anywhere anymore.

[quote]Star and Darling Lili are as infamous as any movies in sinking the movie musicals.

Not really. The first big musical flop was "Doctor Dolittle" in '67, but it didn't serve as a warning because Thoroughly Modern Millie, The Jungle Book, and Camelot were all big hits. The same thing happened with Star. It came out right after Funny Girl, and a couple of months before Oliver!. Those were huge hits, and so no one really paid much attention to the fact that Julie had her first major flop. Then, the following year, Sweet Charity came out early in the year and tanked, and later on Dolly finally came out as well as Paint Your Wagon, and those both flopped as well. It was particularly a shock with "Dolly" because it was the decade's biggest stage hit starring the new queen of movie musicals, Babs. It was unbelievable that Dolly flopped. "Darling Lili" didn't turn up till the following year, and by then everyone knew musicals were at death's door. Once again, Julie's movie was lost in the crush - it came out exactly the same time as "On a Clear Day," which wasn't a huge hit but did manage to make about 5 million. Darling Lili just kind of fizzled. It was certainly not blamed as much as the three 1969 stinkers were.

The operation was 25 years ago. She lived. Princess Di and Dusty weren't so lucky.

Yeah. She needs to shut her pie hole.

It isn't Rock Hudson's fault [italic]Darling Lili[/italic] flopped or that Blake actually made it shorter before he died.

STAR! is a class production from start to finish, with extraordinary numbers. The problem is that the damn screenplay virtually echoes FUNNY GIRL in its rags-to-riches, guttersnipe-into-lady trajectory, but without the compelling romance at its center that holds everything together. FUNNY GIRL may be soap opera, but as Robert Preston said in BEN FRANKLIN IN PARIS, "The damn things works." Poor Gertrude, with her gay pal Noel and taming-of-the-shrew love affair with Aldrich, has nothing to do but act bitchy and seem unsympathetic. It's cliché without redemption.

It's after that movie that her voice started going downhill, R266. Compare it there to that [italic]King & I[/italic] studio recording. Even [italic]Entertainment Weekly[/italic] admitted her voice wasn't what it used to be when reviewing her Broadway comeback.

"lo and behold, you're someone's wife, and you belong to him,"

Well, of course, you do, just as a husband belongs to the wife. That's why it's called "marriage." Just because you only hear one perspective in the movie doesn't invalidate the sentiment, even in today's unromantic, narcissistic, everybody's-a-victim age.

I was there. I heard it with my own two ears. I'm just telling you what I heard.

Star and Lili were huge flops and considered important canon shots in bringing down the movie musical. Lili's failure being so traumatic for Edwards that he made a major movie about it. They were as important as the other three you mentioned. All of them including Dolittle share the heavy burden equally. And Dolittle had major merchandise tie ins that was such a marketing disaster Fox gave merchandise rights to Lucas for Star Wars with little problem.

[quote]Well, of course, you do, just as a husband belongs to the wife. That's why it's called "marriage." Just because you only hear one perspective in the movie doesn't invalidate the sentiment, even in today's unromantic, narcissistic, everybody's-a-victim age.

Exactly. "You belong to me" is a phrase that was once perfectly acceptable (there was even a song with that title) and now is not, but I don't think it really matters which gender is speaking the sentiment. A woman saying "you belong to me" to a man in 2020 would be pretty much as unacceptable as a man saying the same thing to a woman. People just don't express themselves in those terms anymore.

[quote]Star and Lili were huge flops and considered important canon shots in bringing down the movie musical.

I think there's a lot of truth to that, but the interesting point here is that it's really a stretch to define DARLING LILI as a musical, as there are very few songs in it, and all of the them are performed diegetically as actual songs in performance before an audience of some kind. It may have been marketed as a musical because Julie was the star and her previous musical films had been tremendous hits, but it REALLY isn't one. STAR can certainly be defined as a musical because there are SO MANY songs in it, even if all of them are performance numbers as well, and DOCTOR DOLITTLE is a full-out musical by any definition.

"People just don't express themselves in those terms anymore."

That is ridiculously untrue. Only the humorless and love-starved could find anything objectionable in a phrase like "you belong to me." Possession is the endpoint of desire, darlings, spoken or not.

Or someone who was in an abusive relationship, R272.

Which as we know is the majority of relationships (insert eyeroll emoji here).

Why are you so desperate to defend her? Her mistakes are of her own making.

[quote]r268 Well, of course, you do, just as a husband belongs to the wife. That's why it's called "marriage." Just because you only hear one perspective in the movie doesn't invalidate the sentiment, even in today's unromantic, narcissistic, everybody's-a-victim age.

Correct. Like, if there were the lyric "the black man's created to work the field," that wouldn't mean it didn't apply to whites, as well, right?

So smart.

I can think of at least two different songs titled “You Belong To Me” where the most famous recordings are by women.

Jo Stafford:

Carly Simon:

[quote]277 Jo Stafford:

I prefer Darlene Edwards.

[quote]That is ridiculously untrue. Only the humorless and love-starved could find anything objectionable in a phrase like "you belong to me." Possession is the endpoint of desire, darlings, spoken or not.

You honestly think it's untrue that the phrase "you belong to me" is generally considered unacceptable nowadays? I know the phrase never LITERALLY meant that one person "belonged" to another, but it does imply a wort of ownership and possession, and while that phrasing apparently used to be acceptable, I really feel that now many people find it highly problematic.

"we do not belong together and we should have belonged together"

Who do you belong to in a relationship, if not each other?

I haven't seen it in a long time but doesn't George Peppard say to Audrey in Tiffany's 'You belong to me' and she responds something to the effect that people don't belong to people? Don't remember it exactly. Audrey found it problematic in 1961.

Lili might not be a musical as you say but it gives you the impression it is one because of Andrew's musical performances and its big budget period production.

For 283:

Paul Varjak: I love you.

Holly Golightly: So what.

Paul Varjak: So what? So plenty! I love you, you belong to me!

Holly Golightly: [tearfully] No. People don't belong to people.

Paul Varjak: Of course they do!

Holly Golightly: I'll never let ANYBODY put me in a cage.

Paul Varjak: I don't want to put you in a cage, I want to love you!

Yes, Holly Golightly is hardly a poster girl for relationships.

A skinny, deadbeat mom with mob connections - -

All of this shit is doormat shit, and the fact that you used a Blake Edwards movie to make your point proves mine.

little corner

Blecch! Lesley Ann did it better.

Plagiarism? What plagiarism?

r9...give her some of the Poppins books and see what her opinion is then...

R290 and R292 are deluding themselves. If she were ever any good, then she never would have lost her voice.

Barry Manilow went to the same voice doctor, and he's doing another set in Vegas this February.

r293, have you heard Barry lately? He sounds terrible. I don't think Julie wants to sing when her voice isn't up to snuff, whether there was a botched surgery or not. Same as Linda Ronstadt -- she knows that her voice sucks now, due to age and the Parkinson's, and she doesn't want to give her audience a less-than stellar performance.

[quote][R293], have you heard Barry lately? He sounds terrible.

Compared to her?

Even so, I took my former roommate who is more into hard rock to see him in concert, and he was impressed.

That was in 2012.

[quote]Blecch! Lesley Ann did it better.

No. No she didn't. Lesley Ann was 18 when she did it, and her voice couldn't hold a candle to Julie's. Lesley Ann's acting was nothing to write home about either. Plus, she's a total bitch, ask anyone who's worked with her.

[quote][R290] and [R292] are deluding themselves. If she were ever any good, then she never would have lost her voice.

You're not just boring, Matt, you're stupid. You can't even make a decent argument.

Only fat fraus care about her anymore.

[quote]r297 Lesley Ann was 18 when she did it, and her voice couldn't hold a candle to Julie's.

At least she didn't cling to a stupid bowl cut for decades.

Lesley is a lot less unpleasant to listen to, quite frankly. Her greatest sin against the gay community was appearing on [italic]sWill & disGrace[/italic]. Julie's was far greater: that Netflix show [bold]actively promotes gay erasure[/bold]. She's living proof that fascism with a smile is still fascism.

I saw the Lesley Ann Warren version recently on youtube. Hadn't seen it since when I was a kid. Still very enjoyable and that score is gorgeous. City Opera had a beautiful production back in the day with Jane Powell and Jean Stapleton.

I had a crush on Lesley when I was a boy. I hate hearing that she's actually a bitch on wheels.

[quote]At least she didn't cling to a stupid bowl cut for decades.

Even Ricky Schroder gave it up by the time [italic]Silver Spoons[/italic] went off the air.

"We belong together" and "you belong to me" have two COMPLETELY different meanings.

[quote]Barry Manilow went to the same voice doctor, and he's doing another set in Vegas this February.

Word is that, for years now, his live performances have been completely lip synced to old recordings.

She had a very narrow range as a performer. But, you know, not everyone has to be king of the world. She made some hit movies, she was in some hit shows, she married a successful guy...when the roles dried up, well, no one missed her that much.

Next.

She’s a fraud

A hoke

A charlatan

A joke

[quote]Julie's was far greater: that Netflix show actively promotes gay erasure

Sorry, Matt. You're insane, everyone knows that. You're worthless, and you're useless. It's why no one believes your sob story of being abused by adults while you watched Mary Poppins. No one in their right mind would want to touch you with a ten foot pole.

And of course, you speak only for yourself, but then you know that. I guess that's what really gets your goat, knowing that you are alone in your Julie hatred.

Really, you're a pathetic POS.

The only erasure I'm hoping for is aspie-erasure.

So I watched Tamarind Seed on youtube last night for the first time since it opened and I still think it's a mediocre film but less horrible than I remember with a very wonderful Sylvia Syms. The ending is absurd. Still Julie proves herself to be a very fine actress who I wish had done more films in her 30s and 40s.

[quote]The singing was pretty bad before the surgery. Before she even had it, they parodied her in "Forbidden Broadway" having one of the actresses as her singing "I Couldn't Hit That Note" (to the tune of "I Could Have Danced All Night") after a terrible TV performance.

[quote]She just sang "on her capita"l for too long, and "Victor/Victoria" was the last nail in the coffin: it just put too much strain on her. That gave her the nodes on the vocal cords, and then when the surgery was botched she couldn't sing anything any more. Before he died, Blake Edwards said people would cry if they heard her sing post-surgery because her beautiful voice was completely destroyed.

See, you just admitted how badly she sucked. Stop making excuses for her, then or now. Johnny Mathis is in his 80s and Tony Bennett is in his 90s, and both of them can still sing.

[quote]I had a crush on Lesley when I was a boy. I hate hearing that she's actually a bitch on wheels.

I met her and the rumors couldn't be further from the truth.

[quote]Dame Julie gets this reaction everywhere she goes

Audrey Hepburn had a much, much greater range as an actress than Julie could even dream of. And she actually gave back to the world by volunteering for the UN.

[italic]Star![/italic] should have ended her film career altogether, and it would have had she not bearded Blake Edwards. She and she alone is the reason it failed, considering it got seven Oscar nominations including Best Supporting Actor for Daniel Massey.

[italic]Finian's Rainbow[/italic] cost half as much and is far more entertaining. Petula Clark should have done more American movies. Tommy Steele I can live with, but at least in his Disney show, they didn't saddle him with a love interest. Hell, I think it's a much better film than [italic]Camelot[/italic], and it obviously didn't do much damage to Francis Ford Coppola's career if he still had [italic]The Godfather I and II[/italic] a few years later.

[quote]Star! should have ended her film career altogether, and it would have had she not bearded Blake Edwards. She and she alone is the reason it failed, considering it got seven Oscar nominations including Best Supporting Actor for Daniel Massey.

You're only partially right. Julie is hopelessly miscast in the film, but the MAJOR reason it failed is that the script is beyond terrible.

Julie IS miscast the script really is beyond terrible and Michael Kidd's numbers are not good. The only reason you might want to see it is for Massey but it's not a big role though it is important. Noel should only have been so good looking. Stick with the lp.

Oh to have seen Cook and Massey in She Loves Me! I did see him towards the end of his life with Ed Harris in that play about Furtwangler that was on Broadway. He was very old at that point.

she and her man gay from way back. git real

The public and the industry rewarded Walt Disney for self-plagiarism, and we're still paying the price for it.

Say anthing bad about Carol Burnett and I will cut you.

Anything

God, I hate millennials and Gen Zs. Overrated my ass.

What happened to her voice?

When did she lose it?

Like even Andrews was going to hold onto her pure voice forever? She was getting old. Very few people are lucky to hold on to a voice like Cook was able to do.

And even Cook had some pitch issues in her last five years or so.

Cook who?

R147, you are an idiot, a buffoon, a sheep, and a racist:

And you're a loony piece of shit, Matt.

Camelot and My Fair Lady on Broadway = great. Movie career = not so much.

If she had "only" starred in MARY POPPINS and THE SOUND OF MUSIC, she would be assured screen immortality and would be loved in perpetuity, plus she made several other very good movies on top of those two (THE AMERICANIZATION OF EMILY, THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE, VICTOR/VICTORIA), and some more recent ones that are not very good but made her beloved by younger generations as well.