Has Anyone Really Gotten HIV via Blowjob?

What's so hard to believe? You can easily have cuts in your mouth where the virus can spread in to your body from semen.

I know of one person who did back in the 1990s. They had flossed their teeth prior to going out for a night of cock sucking. It is very very rare for people to catch HIV by giving a blow job but it can happen. Tiny tiny tiny risk probably something like 0.00000000001% but there is a risk.

Has any TOTAL top ever contracted HIV? I have yet to hear of any who did not later admit to bottoming unsafely. But I am interested to hear.

A study done in San Francisco in 2001 concluded 8% of people contracted HIV through oral sex.

The study also immediately discarded any person who failed to meet the strict criteria, such as no anal sex nor IV drugs during the study.

So the rate was probably a bit higher than the strict 8%

Women have been verified to get pregnant in a pool when the man's semen flowed into her vagina, so it's highly improbable but possible.

Remember just because something is not likely to happen doesn't mean it won't

Saliva usually kills HIV. There really isn’t a way to know if a guy is telling the truth when it comes to anal sex, r4.

According to this site, there is absolutely no record of someone getting HIV through oral.

I contracted HIV from a blowjob. It's just a coincidence that I have a love of meth and anal sex. It was definitely that one blowjob.

lol.

We’d all be dead if it were so easy to get from casual oral.

It's technically possible, but unlikely. Your mouth has to be in bad shape and they need to have a pretty high viral load.

R4

Are you serious? A woman actually became pregnant via a swimming pool????

When this question comes up, I always wonder: when asking about the potential risks associated with oral sex, do people mean when just sucking dick, or does it refer to taking loads in the mouth? Spitting against swallowing?

Swallowing is fine, doesn't stomach acid take care of business?

That's supposedly how my best friend caught it. I've been called on it several times by DL. Not having lived my friend's life, I don't know. He got around, that's for sure. Says he was careful so who knows. He's pretty sure it was oral, and he knows who it was. They were a couple, both HIV+ who if memory serves correcttly, neglected to tell him about their status.

[quote] former child star

“Star”? That is the only thing you have ever said that is funny. Bitch, in the child star universe you weren’t even a speck of space dust. Shirley Temple, Gary Coleman, Emmanuel Lewis, and Macaulay Culkin were child “stars.” Meanwhile, other former Embassy kids Jason Bateman and Regina King still get work and just won awards. You were the worst actor on a show that’s virtually (mercifully) forgotten today, one full of actors who were either miscast, wasted, or just plain bad. And for using your undeserved fame to expose gullible and desperate gay men to the virus and then make it all about you, you don’t deserve to be gay. You hurt other gay people. You should be in jail instead of Rick Schroder, and he should be gay instead of you. You can keep the AIDS. You can have all the AIDS in the world. I wish no one had AIDS except for you. I wish we could give all the AIDS in the world to you.

Some of you are friends with Milky Loads?

I personally think he got it from riding a tractor in a Speedo.

[quote]...going out for a night of cock sucking

Let's see: opera, theatre, cinema, a lecture at the university, dinner party. Nah, the usual.

lol.

I dont know but lately I've made the decision to stop offering BBBJs. A friend of mine who is an escort does BBBJs and also takes loads but spits. I never take loads but there's precum.

I always gargle with Listerine immediately after oral as that has been proven effective in killing gonorrhea bacteria. You just never know. Getting tested this week so we'll see.

I've read statistics that the chances are incredibly low.

You could always get a boyfriend and be monogamous.

BBBJ. Fuck off, Mary.

R19 isn’t gay.

Risk of getting infected while giving oral is estimated at 0.04%. People are more likely to get contaminated if they have some some of inflammation or infection in the mouth. There are no cases of transmission to the receptive partner.

R3 are you fucking serious? Every man i know except one who is HIV+ is a top/got HIV from being top. I don't know how anyone could asking something so ignorant. How does one think straight men get HIV? The virus originated in Africa among heterosexuals.

R23 The only HIV+ person I know is a straight man. He went to Tijuana with a bunch of guys, got shitfaced and had anal sex with a hooker for $20 in some brothel. When I was telling an older date about it he said the first friend of his to get it in the 80s was a total top. Back in the day the military was rife with sexually transmitted disease that soldiers picked up from peostitures. Rumour in my family has always been that my grand uncle picked up an STD during the Korean War, passed it into his wife and made her infertile.

Somewhere along the line this notion that bottoms and women are in danger and tops/straight men are almost immune became popular. As though STDs are not transmissible diseases but something that start growing in bottoms after they reach X number of partners.

R24 thanks for sharing. I was talking with my sister recently about intimate matters and she was shocked to learn that American soldiers received condoms as part of their allotments and received training about STDs upon inductment. Militaries of the world don't want their soldiers fraternizing and getting STDs from hookers. Unfortunately, a close friend acquired HIV from a fuck buddy after he topped him once without a condom and the dirty skank didn't tell him. When he tried to call him, the jerk wouldn't answer his phone. A top i casually dated briefly and quickly realized was bad news because he's a barebacker who refused to use condoms called me unexpectedly in a tiff saying another skank gave him HIV and another STD! Sorry to say i knew that was just a matter of time. No man is getting in my ass without a condom and i've never taken a load. Men are pigs.

[quote] Every man i know except one who is HIV+ is a top/got HIV from being top.

Honey, tops getting HIV is like 1%. They were taking it up the ass at some point. You’re incredibly naive.

[quote]Risk of getting infected while giving oral is estimated at 0.04%.

According to the CDC that's the risk of the man contracting it from straight vaginal intercourse. For oral the chances are listed as "low," e.g. too small to be represented as risk per 10,000 exposures. I've not seen any statistics, but given condoms' success rate at preventing pregnancy I suspect protected anal sex using one is actually riskier for HIV transmission than unprotected oral sex.

All it takes is access to the bloodstream; whether the giver or taker. Simple gingivitis in the giver is sufficient.

R28 thanks. There's an unbelievable amount of ignorance in this forum, such as the comment from R26. A former friend is 100% top, never bottomed. He acquired HIV from his ex-husband via anal sex. People are stupid.

R21 You're asinine and disrespectful. When i started dating at 20, the only thing i wanted was a monogamous relationship. All gay men are not addicted to sex and/or crave anonymous sex.

HIV originated in Africa. It was not spread by gay men there who only got fucked. It was spread by straight men and women who had straight sex. HIV/AIDS became a worldwide pandemic because unfortunately, it's transmitted more easily through anal sex, straight, bi or gay. A virus does not discriminate based on sexual orientation. There are far too many uneducated and undereducated people in this world, especially in the USA. That's exactly how the enemy wants it.

TROLL 🚨

this entire thread is a giant FF bomb

[quote] All it takes is access to the bloodstream; whether the giver or taker. Simple gingivitis in the giver is sufficient.

Saliva kills HIV, dear. You’d have to have big open wounds to get HIV and most people aren’t swallowing. There are absolutely no documented cases of anyone getting HIV through oral. This isn’t up for debate.

R22 Thanks for sharing, but that's bullshit. Always believe posted/government stats? They're wrong. Also, no such thing as a person with HIV who cannot infect others. If a person has a retrrovirus, they're always infectious even if dead. All one need do is watch the "60 Minutes" interview with the male pathologist who cut himself with a scalpel while performing autopsy on the cadaver of an HIV patient, then seroconverted. He said he immediately considered going to the basin and amputating his finger, but just couldn't do that.

There's no such thiing as undetectable and non-infectious. The former simply means today's tests can't detect any virus in the blood sample. If a person with an open oral portal performs oral sex on a man or woman with HIV and gets a bodily fluid into that open portal, he or she canl be infected with HIV, which is 100% fatal. Told a former friend about a test performed at the Kinsey Institute(?) where 2 gay men were asked to have sex. One man's hole was painted with phosphorescent paint. After they sex, the UV light revealed they both glowed all over from head to toe. The point is sexy is "dirty" and both partners get everything into everywhere; ti's unavoidable. R33 that's irrelevant if one has the smallest open oral portal, which i addressed above. Are you going to risk your life over the tiniest cut of the floss string or toothbrush bristle? Being infected with HIV only requires one virus particle, which cannot be detected by a blood test.

An estiimate of 0.04%, is bullshit. Then healthcare professionals, especially in dental offices, wouldn't be so terrified and wear such protection. I was in my dentist's office when an HIV+ twink i recognized from local clubs made a scene in the main waiting area because they refused to treat him. I didn't pay close attention because it wasn't my business.

Anyone fooling themselves about the seriousness of the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the PReP silliness needs a serious wakeup call. My first PCP here in Florida is an infectious disease specialist. Only reason i chose him is i had excellent insurance, he was young & gay and i could see him without a referral. He said do not listen to uninformed, gossipy queens, do not have sex at the local bath house, and do not be a semen receptacle. Despite being sexually active, i've never had an STD, so he was correct. There's a "super siubstrain" of HIV-1, prevalent in Cuba and who know why, that rapidly progresses to AIDS. One of my closest friends has it. His CD4 count was 300 less than a year after he was infected because he didn't know he was infected -- no symptoms.

Please learn a life-preserving lesson: No barebacking! Always use condoms for fucking, top and bottom, unless you are in a 100% monogamous relationship. Is a man worth risking your life? Three top friends were infected by their boyfriends who were "secret" whores and were unfaithful with multiple men. And people are curious why i'm single. You've been cautioned. Happy holidays.

There is no documented case of orally transmitted HIV in the US or Europe. Not. One. There's plenty of anecdotal evidence but that isn't scientifically useful.

R35 Serious question. If i arranged an oral sex orgy of the hottest hung young men who are HIV+, would you blow all of them and swallow?

Yes. One assumes if you know they are HIV+ then they know and are on antiretroviral medication and have an nondeductible viral load which renders them non-infectious.

R37 Please read my post at R34. Per my infectious disease specialist physician and my own research, there's no such thing as a person with HIV who is non-infectious. If anyone believes that, he or she is very gullible.

But even if they aren't being treated, there still isn't any scientific evidence for seroconversion in the US and Europe.

I've been involved with HIV research since the 80s and in all that time I have heard literally one story of one guy - not someone Ix knew personally - who claimed he only ever gave bjs and he was pos.

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Mark Twain

R34/R36/R38

r37 Per every serious researcher, the NIH, the Pasteur Institute, NHS, and the Swiss government you and you DR. friend are wrong. I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

I assume your Dr. friend has published his observations somewhere. A link would be great.

R42 The nature of a retrovirus cannot be changed. There is no cure or vaccine for HIV. Your statement is incorrect. My educated guess is you're overinflating your appeal to authority.

Here's the bottom line i state to everyone:

If anybody has sex with an HIV+ partner on PReP, none of the "authorities" or governments your mentioned are gong to pay for that person's health care expenses or housing. I'm certain you'll agree with that. And he's not my doctor friend. He's a licensed infectious disease specialist in excellent standing and practicing here. He kept me healthy and disease-free.

My educated guess is you're one of those ridiculous contrarians who have plagued since the beginning. You are wrong. You have no research to back up your claim compared to the mountain of evidence for the other side. You my friend, are a quack. I bet you live in San Francisco.

R42/R43 To follow are a few excerpts from the FDA-approved Prescribing Info data for Truvada (PReP) which state that it shall not prevent transmission of HIV from the patient to a sex partner who is not HIV+ even when used properly:

While you are taking TRUVADA to reduce your risk of getting HIV-1: You must continue using safer sex practices while you are taking TRUVADA to reduce your risk of getting HIV-1. Practice safer sex by using a latex or polyurethane condom to lower the chance of sexual contact with semen, vaginal fluids, or blood. Ask your partners with HIV-1 if they are taking anti-HIV-1 medicine and have an undetectable viral load. An undetectable viral load is when the amount of virus in the blood is too low to be measured in a lab test. To maintain an undetectable viral load, your partners must keep taking anti-HIV-1 medicine every day. Your risk of getting HIV-1 is lower if your partners with HIV-1 are taking effective treatment. If you have HIV-1 and take only TRUVADA, over time your HIV-1 may become harder to treat.

I believe the aforementioned should be sufficient and proves that my former infectious disease specialist was quite correct. Anybody with HIV and on PReP is always capable of infecting others with HIV, even through oral sec. No apology necesarry. Happy holidays.

R34

I don't know how you extrapolate your skepticism of PREP, a position I share, with undetectable viral load being non-infectious. Also, you still haven't provided a shed of evidence regarding oral sex that contradicts every heath service in the Western World.

R45 I live in Florida, which i already stated,. Apparently you're too triggered and emotional to scroll up, read and fully comprehend all of what i wrote, and also understand what's in every package of Truvada. HIV is a retrovirus. There is no vaccine for HIV. There is no cure.

PReP does not prevent HIV from being transmitted from an HIV+ person to his or her sex partners. It's right on the FDA-approved Prescribing Info. Undetectable only means that today's blood tests cannot detect the virus in the blood;, which is on the Truvada P.I. Not my fault people don't want to believe the truth.

I don't hook up with strangers because dirty bastards have taken off condoms thinking i wouldn't know but i did, and one jerk even intentionally tried to infect me with HIV. This world is chock full of insane people. I'm not and i'm going to protect myself from insanity, even if that means not having a hands-free prostate/anal orgasm again.

R34

Ok, crazypants. This thread is about oral sex. I've already stated I agree with you about PREP. I think celibacy is the absolutely right call for you.

Please see R28 who is correct.

R34

There was a case in a pathology doctors surgery in Sydney back in the 1980s where a gay HIV+ man had something removed. The instruments were cleaned, proper protocol followed however the next four patients are him (all women) got infected with HIV. Under no circumstances treat HIV as anything less than the deadly serious disease that it is.

r34, What's your point? That article doesn't mention HIV. Btw, there are no studies linking gingivitis with HIV transmission.

r51 An unvetted story from the 80s is absolutely meaningless.

R51 Thanks, a voice of reason. HIV/AIDS is still 100% fatal.

From R28, which is correct: All it takes is access to the bloodstream; whether the giver or taker. Simple gingivitis in the giver is sufficient.

I'll add that's not necessary. All it takes is a chafe from floss or a toothbrush because one HIV particle that can't be seen by a microscope is sufficient to infect a person. Many gay men don't take HIV seriously. Guys have put on condoms before i've gone down on them, to which i didn't object. They were smart and not dirty whores.

I believe in to each his own and free choice, but it's unethical for barebackers to acquire STDS and burden an already overburdened and broken health care system when free condoms are available. Only recently i learned that people with STDs basically get free healthcare & medications from local clinics.

R34

Because treatment is more profitable than prevention, R54.

r34 Please show your work.

R56 i already did and i discovered why the bitter bitch R42 and R49 attacked me.

That bitch has posted elsewhere on The DataLounge that he is HIV+ and a former a METH head, so that explains his inappropriate and unethical behavior in this thread, which i do not appreciate. Do NOT do it again, understood?

I've never been drunk or high and have never taken a load up my ass and shall not tolerate such behavior.

R34

If I remember correctly the virus has to get into the blood stream directly. When it comes in contact with air and / or saliva the virus deteriorates almost immediately. I believe there is a much higher chance of HIV transmition when you perform the blood brother ritual than when you let some guy cum in your mouth. Even small wounds from flossing should be closed up by the time you go down on your date's, or trick's, dick. And no, you shouldn't floss or damage your inner mouth skin tissue by brushing your teeth right before you have sex. Either use mouthwash or chew mint flavored gum if you are concerned about bad breath.

r34 You have offered a bunch of unsubstantiated, unverified anecdotal evidence which I think we can all agree is not evidence at all. Let's see if you can come up with some peer-reviewed studies to backup your spurious claims. You will die alone.

The likelihood/risk is low, but not zero.

I was part of a series of HIV/AIDS studies across the country that are still going on, and talked with one of the educators - I've had plenty of casual oral sex but limited anal sex (as a bottom).

He said (based on years and years of participant data) that a series of things would really have to line up and be true: that you'd have an open cut/sore in your mouth, that you had a very large intake of semen into your mouth from a person whose viral load was detectable and/or high. And even then, it was still a bit of luck of the draw.

[quote]an nondeductible viral load

The IRS wants a word with you.

R59 I believe i'd rather die alone than with with HIV and a former illicit drug user. You've been exposed.

Bless your heart.

Are people really so uninformed in 2019? I think the guy who’s so afraid of HIV is just a troll.

AIDS is not a death sentence anymore, just life without parole.

I contracted it that way! I never did anything nasty like go underneath the Provincetown Pier and present hole to all cummers! I was a good Catholic boy!

Two authoritative reviews of the evidence of the probability of HIV transmission through oral sex both concluded that, given problems with the available data, it would be inappropriate to provide a precise numerical estimate (Baggaley, Patel). The second review did nonetheless suggest that the figure could be somewhere between 0% and 0.04% per act.

If the per-contact risk of oral transmission is 0.04%, HIV might be passed on in one in 2500 acts of oral sex between serodiscordant people. This 0.04% level of risk (one in 2500 exposures) is approximately 20 times lower than the estimated risk for receptive anal sex, but is only half the risk estimated for receptive vaginal sex with a partner during chronic infection (0.08%).

It's important to note that transmission can only occur if there is detectable viral load, i.e. untreated infection.