"JK Rowling is a TERF" is trending on Twitter!

The tweet that started it.

[quote]Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?

And honestly? I'm with her.

Who the hell is she talking about??

She is supporting this woman

r2 Maya Forstater.

That's the most sensible thing she has tweeted in ages.

This is insane! Are they planning to get rid of biology education in the UK as well?

Ah, well, maybe it isn't too bad that Brexit will curtail this cancer from spreading to Europe too quickly. Apparently, it's a complete clown world over there now.

How could someone be a feminist and not be a TERF?

The tranny army is truly dangerous to society.

If you have a dick you’re not a woman!!

We got to the point that a person saying the basic Biology is something bad or "phobic"... Gosh, this is worse than I imagined.

Until persuaded otherwise, I will continue to believe that sex is biology and gender is society. Men and women have different bodies and different health issues, regardless of gender or sexuality. Women’s health has been devalued because research focused on male bodies and health. For example, women often died of heart attacks because their symptoms are different and they did not get treatment.

The issue here seems to be hurt feelings, agendas, and orthodoxy.

Now scientists are saying there are five sexes, possibly more.

TERF is just a weapon used by cis-women to hate on other cis-women for no other reason than that women love to find excuses to hate other women. It replenishes their electrolytes. There is no such division among men regarding FTMs.

Nope, it's men's health that has been undervalued. Women's has been overvalued.

[quote] Until persuaded otherwise, I will continue to believe that sex is biology and gender is society.

As an effeminate gay man I believe gender is genetic.

The case against Forsteter wasn't about her simply saying something regarding human biology.

Anyone (like Rowling) who says it is, is pushing propaganda. They've been trying to claim this is simply a case of a woman being censored for being a feminist, when in reality her tweets were "trans women are men and they're mentally ill." Just like the people who post here.

[quote]But in a 26-page judgment released late on Wednesday, Tayler dismissed her claim. “I conclude from … the totality of the evidence, that [Forstater] is absolutist in her view of sex and it is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. The approach is not worthy of respect in a democratic society.”

Trans ideology don’t mean shit when an ex marine is getting a blow job and finds a tucked ball sac where he expects to find a pussy on his “passing” cock sucker, ala the killed Oregon tranny case.

Trans panic is the new gay panic.

Trans panic is justified

Loved JK as a child, love her even more as an adult.

The UK is anything but a 'democratic society'.

Why do women academics wear ugly dangly earrings? No other professional woman seems to do it. As an academic and woman myself, I refuse to wear any jewelry.

I don't think it's okay to deceive your sexual partner, and to most sexually active people, genitals do matter. So yes r19, trans panic is justified. But that doesn't mean that one should kill them or beat them up when their true identity is uncovered.

Sadly, I suspect more influential figures harbor terven beliefs. Radical TERFism promotes the debunked myth of "biological sex" and "females"

No, trans panic is rooted in homophobia so not justified. If a straight man finds out his whore has a dick he should just try something new.

Maybe he'll like it.

TERFs also hate gay men.

R26 is right. Check out this thread if you want some evidence.

[quote]The worst mistake lesbian women made was allying themselves with the gay male movement. “Gay liberation” was only ever about unfettered male sexual desire.

[quote]Gay liberation has always been about male lust. Trans is just an extension of that into ever creepier realms. Including pedophilic realms.

The anti trans trolls who come here hate the gays. The handful of gay regulars here on Datalounge who support these people are in denial.

[quote] Radical TERFism promotes the debunked myth of "biological sex" and "females"

R26 You mean "gender critical" feminists. A terf can just be a lesbian

You think JK Rowling hates gay men

No one should be forced into doing something they don't want to do, r25.

What is TERF?

"A terf can just be a lesbian" doesn't make any sense. Most lesbians aren't TERFs. Most TERFs I see online are straight women anyway.

R29 and R26 it's crazy that some people here have complained about reddit not representing all trans people, or whoever else, because it's reddit, but there's double standards when it comes to women.

Reddit is anonymous and that's an open subreddit. You can post the right now.

That said; many "terfs" are lesbians and can't blame them for feeling salty that many LGB outlets have thrown them under the bus. Gay reporters and sites have basically told their sisters to shut up and that they're hysterical over being told to take dick. The alliance of LGB has become fragile by heterosexual men hiding under the same umbrella.

R32 "TERF" was originally used to described mostly lesbian feminist activists that were calling out the trans movement. Look it up

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R32 that's a lie. There's quite a few lesbians that are labeled "Terf" if they don't want to sleep with men. This has gone on long enough.

[quote] No one should be forced into doing something they don't want to do, [R25].

I disagree.

Don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding? You should be made to bake it or face repercussions.

Anyway Hermione is definitely a TERF, but Luna believes in 57 genders. There's room for everyone in JK's universe. Leave her alone!

Lesbians identify with feminism not gay rights.

TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist) was originally a slur for feminists who don't believe that trans women are actually women. It has become a universal slur for anyone who doesn't buy into extremist trans ideology.

It's also widely used in trans activists' battle cry "Punch a TERF". For a group that plays professional victims, often using dubious statistics, they are quick to become violent against biological women themselves.

R37 baking a cake is not the same as being raped by omission

Your analogy is fuzzy, r37. A bakery provides a service and it can be argued that it should provide its service to anyone who demands it. Of course in the bedroom, that's not the case.

Sigh.

Gay panic is indefensible. If you choose to you to a hooker you don't get to complain, get a refund, or get to kill them.

No rape happens. Consent has already happened.

Straight men would benefit from broadening their horizons.

"A bakery provides a service and it can be argued that it should provide its service to anyone who demands it. Of course in the bedroom, that's not the case."

Sex workers provide a service.

"TERF" supposedly stands for "trans exclusionary radical feminists", but it's hurled at any woman who dares to even ask questions. It's not trans exclusion, it's male exclusion, as it's always been. Don't think men should play women's sports? Congrats: You're a Terf. I've kept my eye on this issue for a couple years and it's only became worse with time.

Don't believe it's become that bad, or that it's "bad apples", just wait for this thread to quickly be bombarded with f/f, and multiple frantic comments completely downplaying the trans movement. I give it maybe another 30 mins.

It's not even about trans individuals being a problem, but the lobby movement itself. It rapidly went from "we just want to pee" to silencing anyone who questions men being in sports, women's prisons, and so on.

It's TERFs who play professional victims. They're always punching down on gay men.

do their pussies have terf or turf

Oh, and here are the TERFs to defend anti-gay bakers -- just like they always do on Twitter and reddit!

You walk into a bakery knowing what you'll get and what to expect, and that should be the case when hiring sex workers r44.

R46 that doesn't make sense. "Terfs" are not concerned with gay men, and they definitely don't punch down. Unless you think feminists and lesbians are out to get you.

Read pink news and you'll see how they regard "uppity" women, especially lesbians. It's backstabbing from their own community.

Even in non-sex-work contexts gay panic has been used to get killers off.

[quote]"Terfs" are not concerned with gay men, and they definitely don't punch down.

Yes, they are.

[quote]Unless you think feminists and lesbians are out to get you.

Yes, they are.

[quote]Read pink news and you'll see how they regard "uppity" women, especially lesbians. It's backstabbing from their own community.

This is homophobia.

Radical feminism encompasses a very large ideology. It's not just anti-trans, it's also anti-everything including anti-gay-men.

Gay men should care very much at this point, when legal institutions are claiming biological sex is not "absolute", because you know what comes next? Sexual orientation, which is tied directly to biological sex. If sex is not absolute, sexuality can be argued as not absolute.

All that work to gain rights regarding SAME SEX relationships, just to be told sex is not an absolute.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Yeah, sure. Here comes the comments downplaying, let's wait for the thread to be shut down.

Meanwhile those "terfs" that are supposedly homophobic and anti-gay will keep fighting, losing their jobs, and so on, to keep everything related to biological sex protected -- including sexual orientation.

But, for us effeminate gay men, the TERF line that our effeminacy is not innate is more dangerous.

r43 hiding his dick under a dress.

A lot of TERFs actually want gay marriage abolished -- some because they hate marriage generally, some because they find it a pastiche of a legal form certifying biological reality (or that's at least its origins).

I feel the need to state this: Gay men are the primary victims of sexism. We get to define what is and isn't sexist. We can argue among ourselves but only if we accept this fact and put ourselves as a group first.

R55, according to current trans ideology, there is no such thing as an effeminate gay man. You are a trans woman, otherwise you would not be feminine.

Gender critical feminists fight for the recognition that men can be as feminine as they want, and women can be as masculine as they want, without switching gender. (Sex is not changeable, because reality.)

R55 are you serious with this comment? Why are you defending innate femininity and masculinity? That's some regressive shit. How about people have different personalities, hobbies, interests, and so on, that shouldn't even be labeled as feminine or masculine. That's pretty limiting to both sexes, regardless of sexuality.

If your biggest concern is to uphold oppressive beliefs about innate gender, it will continue to hurt both gay men and women. The sex you are born shouldn't have gendered expectations attached. They are superficial and determined by society to be labeled that way, not by nature. It shouldn't be "effeminate" to like certain things in the first place.

[quote] As an effeminate gay man I believe gender is genetic.

Gender can't be genetic, but obviously carries genetic components. Most effeminate men do have less testosterone, which manifests into their high pitch voice, their wide hips and many other typically female features. As for mannerism, they just tend to copycat women for whatever reason, all socially constructed (that is actually socially built). Some find allies in women and copy them, others see themselves in them and a minority of effeminate men don't copy women at all.

All the rest is fantasy of identity politics and self-centered men. Isn't it funny how the trans movement was started by males pretending to be women and not the other way around?

[quote]I feel the need to state this: Gay men are the primary victims of sexism.

No we're not. Stop this bullshit.

I support Forstater's right to express her views also. Some of you bitches get mad and object to free speech when you don't like the opinion, but she is correct. It's impossible to change one's gender. A female born XX cannot change that and a male born XY cannot change that. By definition, that's what determines one's gender. In the USA, if an adult wants to pretend to be the opposite gender, that's his or her legal right. I don't know UK law.

I guess Rowling has so much money, she doesn't have to give a fuck.

But she's smart enough to know that there are certain things we are all forbidden from noticing.

Mother Nature was the original TERF.

Society doesn't impose effeminacy on gay boys -- the opposite actually

Yet gay boys are effeminate.

Why would I choose something my parents tried to force out of me and got me relentlessly bullied.

I feel the need to restate this: Gay men are the primary victims of sexism.

It's very concerning that "born this way" and other views that won LGB rights are being dismantled legally. This is my last comment, because I find it to be hopeless arguing here, but sex is absolute. The judge is wrong. This isn't even about "terfs" but the right to recognize biological sex. Once biological sex is replaced with "gender" stereotypes, the next argument is that sexual orientation is not an absolute. This is dangerous thinking.

For me, as an effeminate gay man, I feel my effeminacy is a more important part of my sexuality than my actual having sex with men.

For the people asking why TERF is considered a slur.

....

Sexual orientation and gender dysphoria are entirely unrelated, but I see the points you are making. Nobody can turn gay. One transgender advocate I know insists on making the case they are born that way and are physiologically different with different brains. Bullshit. Medical science and psychiatry know differently.

This thread feels divisive. Women are trying to erase gay men's experience of homophobia. Webmaster, please close.

R71

Science is increasingly aware of the existence of male brain and female brain. That's well established.

Maybe someday they'll find gay male brain.

R65 since I missed this while typing, this will be my last comment, because I think you're misguided about what is being said. Claiming it's "innate" is bad for both sexes. It's not that people aren't born with certain traits, but that it's labeled that way to begin with. It doesn't take into account that there's masculine lesbians, masculine gays, straight tomboys, straight effeminate men (you get ther point).

Nothing should be assigned feminine or masculine, according to sex. The very thing you're arguing to uphold, are tools of oppression, used to force people into stereotypes by their sex and sexuality.

Hopefully these ideas eventually die off.

R73, citation needed. Please respectable journals with high impact factors only.

If I read the judge’s statement correctly, it is not so much that Forstater holds the views that she does about sex and gender, but that she will not refrain from misgendering trans people. That is what is hostile, offensive, and unprofessional.

You believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster? In the workplace it is not for me to shoot your belief down; I can personally believe you’re insane, but I need to respect your right to your belief.

R73 I'm well aware of that and women get mad as wet hens when I tell them about that! You motherfucker, I am not emotional and do not make decisions based on how I feel! LOL. That's a proven fact that most men think and make decisions based on facts and analysis while most women think and make decisions based on emotions and feelings. My understanding is that the Dutch and Swiss lead the way trying to find the "gay brain".

Sorry, R76, you don't know the law. You're making a decision based on how you feel, not based on law.

But things are one or other, R74.

Straight boys are naturally more inclined to some things; gay boys to others.

None of it is pushed on us, we're pushed away from it... yet... I still love shiny things and Cher -- just like when I was three years old.

[quote] Society doesn't impose effeminacy on gay boys -- the opposite actually Yet gay boys are effeminate.

Speak for yourself. I wasn't an effeminate gay boy and neither were most of my friends or ex boyfriends. I'd go as far as to state that the majority of gay men aren't effeminate at all and we just blend in. I've never been victim of homophobia, which is clearly geared toward effeminate men.

I did everything my brothers did and was raised by progressive parents (my mother is openly bisexual). Nothing was imposed on me. This idea that masculinity is hetero is homophobic.

As for trans, I do believe after everything I read that it only happens when there's dysphoria involved as the brain can't recognize its body. To me that's very clear. A relative of mine is a PHD neuroscientist and she has showed me that there is a male and female brain indeed, though their differences are little, they're still different.

It's also unnerving to notice how queer and gender politics allow trans people to fully embrace masculinity and femininity with all it's typical performances, like MTF dressing like women, etc FTM taking testosterone, but god forbid men, gay or straight are proud of their masculinity, than hell breaks loose.

BY definition DL is a TERF. DL was on to the Trans back in the 1990s. We never trusted them and were proven right when the Trangender agenda started attacking gay rights.

R76 no one is obligated to support other people’s delusions

[quote]If I read the judge’s statement correctly, it is not so much that Forstater holds the views that she does about sex and gender, but that she will not refrain from misgendering trans people. That is what is hostile, offensive, and unprofessional.

That's correct. That's like calling someone who's Jewish 'Jew' every time you see them at work.

My experiences are those of a stereotypical gay man.

Of course I don't deny other 'masc' gay men exist, but I find the idea that the idea that my effeminacy is a learned societal behavior will lead to a homophobic conclusion.

R82, that's up to the employer, not a judge. My former employer does not permit men to wear beards. They're not going to permit any court to interfere with their corporation.

[quote]Science is increasingly aware of the existence of male brain and female brain. That's well established.

This is the exact opposite of what is happening. Neuroscience has been showing over the last few years that there are no significant differences in brains depending on gender.

No, it's well-established. The Guardian is a TERF rag.

[quote]If I read the judge’s statement correctly, it is not so much that Forstater holds the views that she does about sex and gender, but that she will not refrain from misgendering trans people. That is what is hostile, offensive, and unprofessional.

Women are just so rude these days.

As gay men we tend to make ourselves small and would never dare to do something like this.

THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS BIOLOGICAL SEX!

R85, you're meddling into something about which you're not qualified. There's a different between a physiological difference, neurotransmitter differences and differences in thought processes, as well as other variables. I would never argue there's a physiological difference. However, I've witnessed autopsies. Male brains are larger than female brains unless there is a birth defect or significant illness, period.

I hereby declare myself king of the US. You must address me as your majesty and kneel whenever you see me or you'll be committing literal violence !!!

We could stop people indulging in their fantasies and call them by what they really are:

But that would involve calling TERFs cunts.

R90 is the real cunt. And I used that word about twice in my life.

Okay. Masc men do not get to comment on effeminate gay men's experiences.

We're at the bottom of the totem pole and experience unbelievable bigotry that no women could even dream of.

I self-identify as a nasty cunt. I am cunt-gendered, so to speak. Anyone who is offended by my cuntiness is a transphobe and should be fired from their job!

We need to drop the T. “Gay rights” groups don’t need to be involved in this delusion and hysteria. It’s not fair to us. Trans people have NOTHING to do with gay people!

Right R83 which is why I (R61 and R79) said what I said. Some of your effeminacy is probably learned behavior, as we all copycat behaviors, including toxic masculine behaviors, and some are genetic and has to do with your testosterone level.

[quote]Some of your effeminacy is probably learned behavior

And given the hell I -- and other gay men -- have lived through because of our effeminacy this is incredibly homophobic.

This is the conclusion of 'gender is a social construct'.

I mostly agree in separation -- though I support both causes advancing, jus not together.

But TERFs try to co-opt gay men while working against us.

Rowling will probably backpedal and say one of her Harry Potter characters was trans or something.

She won't face any repercussions.

TERFery is widely accepted in UK. So is homophobia when wrapped up in rad-feminism.

All the same arguments against Section 28 are repeated but with the words substituted.

[quote] BY definition DL is a TERF. DL was on to the Trans back in the 1990s. We never trusted them and were proven right when the Trangender agenda started attacking gay rights.

I never went out of my way to hurt anybody who was obviously deluding themselves if they think that liking the color pink, frilly dresses and sparkles, and being passive and submissive to men are what makes you a woman. But they have crossed the line way too many times, especially when they got children involved in it. It is they who are pushing hate, not us.

[quote] Some of your effeminacy is probably learned behavior And given the hell I -- and other gay men -- have lived through because of our effeminacy this is incredibly homophobic.

This is the conclusion of 'gender is a social construct'.

No it's not and you're not understanding the complexity of both genetic influence and socially constructed performances. There is a genetic component, as I stated, to your voice, your probable wide hips (which makes you walk more like women than men) and other factors like facial features, all influenced by levels of testosterone. That is genetic, you can't change that. Just look at most effeminate men and you'll see a biological pattern.

Then there's learned behavior, we're designed in our DNA to adapt to groups and copy their behaviors. Even though you probably didn't notice that, there's great chance you copy some of your female friends mannerisms because you blended in their social group or had them as allies. We do this all the time even among friends of the same sex, don't be daft.

We're byproducts of both genetics and social behavior. We've known this for over 50 years.

Nope, and you don't get to comment. Since we -- stereotypical gay men -- actually spend our lives trying to suppress those mannerisms not copying them.

I have the victim of more sexism than any woman on this planet.

I’ve known many men with a feminine mannerisms who also seemed very hostile towards women.

Anyone who uses the word TERF to insult women is by defenition a Trans-loon.

The word TERF is Transpeak.

TERF

Serious question: Why are mental health slurs considered any more acceptable than racial, religious, or sexual slurs?

R105 agreed

Just like “cis” is hate speech Transspeak

Do not let them control the vocabulary

[quote]No, it's well-established. The Guardian is a TERF rag.

You guys are just like Trumpsters, I swear to god. You don't believe science and when you're pointed to facts you say no, it's a conspiracy, it's just liberal propaganda.

Ridiculous. I can't believe anyone truly thinks you guys are feminists or liberals or even centrists. You're science-denying conspiracists and bigots.

But tr*nny is just a descriptor, right?

I hate to say this, but they’re actually worse than pro-lifers, since at least they can acknowledge the difference between a man and a woman. You kind of have to in order to take a stance on abortion.

[quote] We're at the bottom of the totem pole and experience unbelievable bigotry that no women could even dream of.

[quote] . I have the victim of more sexism than any woman on this planet.

Get out of your bubble Shirley. You haven't. You still have male privilege no matter how effeminate you are. Are you told to smile to everyone regardless of your mood? Are you told no to swear? Are you told not to take off your shirt on a hot day because your boobs are offensive? Did you grow up ditching males trying to jerk off to you everywhere, trying to pat your butt or suggesting all sorts of sexual innuendo ever since you were five (well that one maybe some very effeminate gay boys do suffer some of it)? The list is too big to write.

You'll never go through what women have to deal with in society, no matter how much you want to play the victim card.

Just block the trolls. Rule of thumb : Person who uses the words CIS or TERF gets automatically blocked.

If you engage them, you are just spreading their ideology. Ignore them.

F&F R112.

This is what we effeminate gay men have to live with -- the very denial of our experiences by people who've never lived them.

It's just more proof that anti-trans is anti-gay.

TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF TAk Ak Ak Ak Ak Ak Ak Ak Ak

Blocked and ignored.

I've got so many humiliating stories I could tell. Like when I walked by a table of women and got called a faggot. But I won't.

If she dated Laird Hamilon, would they be Surf 'n' TERF?

[quote] we -- stereotypical gay men -- actually spend our lives trying to suppress those mannerisms not copying them.

Are you familiar with psychology? In case you aren't, it's a science dedicated to studying how most humans spend most of their lives trying to suppress things they can't because we're a complex byproduct of genetics and social constructs. Just because you think you didn't copy mannerisms that doesn't mean you didn't, it's well mapped that we do this instinctively to blend in and survive, same goes for gossip which is an evolutionary tool mapped on our DNA to help us deal with threats.

Therapists are dealing with humans everyday trying to understand the behaviors they have because it conflicts with what they think they should have been doing.

You could fight the mannerisms and hate them all you want, as you should since they caused you pain, but you just built your behavior on copying them because it brought you some benefits at some points in your life. If you also had genetic components, in this case, low testosterone and many traits that would make you identify with women more than men, you did it instinctively. Sorry to break it to you, but we have less control over ourselves than we think we do. That's why there's so many people in therapy.

R114 you're so full of shit you're entire eyeballs are brown. Gay and trans are entirely separate. You just want to play the victim card.

Trump being impeached and JKR standing up for Maya within twenty-four hours? Not bad. A nice Christmassy pick-me-up after last week's disastrous UK election results.

JK Rowling has proven for decades that she is a strong supporter of people's rights and dignity to live their lives.

JK Rowling has donated tens of millions of dollars to worthwhile causes, spoken out against ugly right wing talking points, and demonstrated an openminded approach to dealing with people.

The people SCREAMING "TERF" have done literally none of those things, merely howled about what they want, their rights, and what they are entitled to have, be, do, and take.

I think I'll side with Rowling for the time being. Thanks.

Yes, gay and trans are separate.

But, as a gay man, I support them.

Now if only someone would punch a Nazi/TERF.

In the UK, the top Twitter trend is JK Rowling and the second is #QueensSpeech. JKR has actually managed to knock the state opening of parliament off the top spot.

JK will never understand the Gay Man's struggle.

R125 everyone has struggles. Get down off yours and stop targeting a fine lady. Same goes for the rest of you. Most people know gay men are horrible misogynists.

Nope. Effeminate gay men have a struggle like no else in the world, you homophobe.

The last frontier of male entitlement, they are better women than women.

The TERFs pro-gay mask slips. We knew you hated gay men all along.

You're not talking about me because I believe in equal opportunity for all. Good thing some of you didn't see my post on the Zimmerman/Martin thread because I let you bitches have it. Gay men are some of the most evil, shallow, vitriolic wenches I've ever known. Does that mean I'm a homophobe? Of course not. Has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Has to do with personal choice because I've met many quality gay men who chose to be ethical, quality men, not catty, bitchy, two-faced queens. Bitches do it because they hate themselves and/or they like it and like putting down others.

[quote]Gay men are some of the most evil, shallow, vitriolic wenches I've ever known. Does that mean I'm a homophobe? Of course not.

Webmaster! Where is the moderation on this board?

I think it's really getting out of control the kind of homophobic rhetoric, amounting to incitement to violence, that gay men are facing on threads like this.

So this Jezebel thread is predictably hateful towards JKR, but there are a few comments defending her so far:

[quote] JK Rowling has the guts to point out that the Empress has no clothes, and that she’s really the Emperor. Are we really going to keep pretending it’s okay that Hannah Mouncey and Rachel McKinnon are competing against women in sports? Are we really going to keep pretending it’s okay that a rape crisis centrein Vancouver had a dead rat nailed to its door with the message “death to TERFs”?

[quote] But then, this is Jezebel, the website that’s so virulently homophobic that it recently featured a pro-cotton ceiling discussion thread. The “cotton” refers to lesbians’ underwear, and apparently they are bigots for refusing to let trans “women” pass that barrier. If you can’t see the incel logic, rape culture and homophobia inherent in the idea that lesbians just need to “open their minds” to penises, you’re beyond help.

Another comment:

[quote] Yes, its high time women stop allowing themselves to be gaslighted by men. Men who are so narcisistic they think that they can change what it means to be a woman. Men who are so mysogynistic they think lipstick has something to do with being female. Trans women are MEN.

Another:

[quote] I don’t see how its transphobic to point out that someone who lived 99% of their public life as a man doesn’t really understand the challenges women face.

R131 I'm laughing my ass off because you must be some sad Gen Z child living in your parents' basement oblivious of the world around you.

Those TERFs are such allies...

I keep seeing gay thot Twitter posting outraged tweets (they never link to the original tweet so if you weren't aware of the context it seems just like vaguebooking) with sloganeering statements like TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN and how they'll block anyone who disagrees with them because they aren't debating folxs' human rights!!

It's like one big show to see who can outrage more. And of course they aren't addressing the actual content of the case and verdict but instead making hyperbolic pronouncements and strawmen claims that no one actually said.

I saw someone link to Wikipedia saying "You CAN change biological sex" and they linked to the "sex reassignment surgery" page. 🙄

I’m gladly a TERF. Keep people with dicks out of women’s sports and restrooms.

TERFs on gay men:

Isn't it so nice that we put our energy into a verbal disagreement by Twitter instead of something like the MyLai massacre?

Loving it being so much better.

BTW the posters in this thread who are saying things like "TERFs hate gay men" are just division trolls. They hate hate hate them and they will say anything to try to manipulate those into disliking them, too. They won't attack their main arguments, because that requires more effort and they would probably lose, so they set up strawmen and try to shift focus to something else.

[quote]I saw someone link to Wikipedia saying "You CAN change biological sex"

Was it Dr. Alan Grant?

Transwomen are good for gay men since they humiliate one of the main anti-gay groups: rad fems.

I don't care one way or the other about transwomen but I want to advance policies that are good for gay men. Rad fems are homophobic and so they're an enemy.

R141 sure Jan, an enemy to you because they don't buy into the "transwomen are women" nonsense. Nice try with the division.

We could end this easily. TERFs just have to know their place: beneath gay men.

But they won't so we have to.

[quote]The people SCREAMING "TERF" have done literally none of those things

Only a tiny handful of people in the world can donate tens of millions of dollars, and they're not better people because of it.

[quote]howled about what they want, their rights

Yeah you sound exactly like the kind of person who thinks people who demand basic human rights are just bitches.

I'm a lazy, fat-typing queen, so I'm over scrolling. Who's ahead in the Oppressed Whore Marathon today?

Gay men are now a minority on this website. Our space has been invaded by gay men. Women teach us to self-loathe.

[quote]Our space has been invaded by gay men.

Is that a bad thing? I know it's considered cool these days to 'identify' as queer, non-binary, sexually fluid, no labels, mostly straight etc etc, all to avoid the dreaded "gay" moniker, but still....

Sorry, I meant women! Our GAY MEN'S SPACE has been invaded by WOMEN.

That slip was caused by matriarchal tyranny.

R144, they have basic human rights, just like everyone else in the West. Don't buy into their narrative that denying them some of their demands means denying their human rights. When their demands (trans rights) come into conflict with other objects of legal protection (women's rights based on sex), there has to be a discussion, not just shouting down of the opposition. They don't care about the administrative chaos that they create by demanding their moon-genderedness to be recognized. They don't care that they basically define homosexuality out of existence.

[quote]They don't care that they basically define homosexuality out of existence.

Some transwomen are straight.

R135, there's no such thing as gender reassignment surgery or a sex change operation. There's genital modification surgery, breast implants, adding a false penis and testicles, etc. Those are cosmetic procedures. No surgeon can give a man a uterus, tubes and ovaries and ability to carry and birth a baby or a woman testes and ability to produce sperm and testosterone.

The issue is that MTF trans activists have pushed "trans human rights" to the exclusion of all else - mostly, womens' human rights, and other humans as well. I'm not incredibly surprised considering the push came from the Millennial generation who expect the entire world to change around themselves.

r151 her case was based on the fact that it was called "sex reassignment surgery" on Wikipedia, not that it's actual science. The ridiculous thing was the person saying it like it meant something. They pick and choose scientific words and claim they mean things they don't.

This is the man Maya Forstater called a man. Note she didn’t call him a dick, a douchebag, a f*gg*t, or any other slur or derogatory word. Gregor identifies as “non binary transgender” whatever that means. He was the one suspended for using slurs.

Trans like to link to images like this to "explain" their word salad.

R153, thanks. That's unbelievable, but I'm going to say it and I'm not a xenophobe. Scotland is one fucked up region of the UK that generally wants to be its own separate country and has huge internal problems.

As we continue to debate all things trans let us remind ourselves about the $$$ involved in the promotion of the trans agenda.

This is the only article I've found that gives extensive detailed information. Would love to read some others if anyone else has a link.

All this is on purpose and part of that purpose is to delay or kill bio women getting into positions of power and changing the power balance which has been tilted in men's favor for centuries. As long as the majority of trans women continue to adhere to and follow traditional roles for women and submit to traditional power placement of men, the wealthy white men who fund the trans movement will be getting the result they want.

So is this person was is an XX chromosome born person, who transitioned to resemble a male but doesn't want to be referred to as a male?

Or an XY born person who looks and dresses like a conventional male, but just doesn't want to be referred to that because they are a special snowflake?

R156, thanks. The almighty dollar. If a person chooses to be trans, that's your right, but you're going to have a difficult journey. Don't put your trauma and drama in my face.

Trans doesn't equal non-binary

R157, please don't be calling people names like that because it outs you as a Deplorable.

R159, everybody is binary except people are born inter-sexed, with whom I've worked. They're a minuscule percentage of the population. My guess is you're a millennial. "Non-binary" is a bullshit word from ultra-modern times that's unacceptable.

r159 please refer to the diagram.

r160 sorry, "snowflake" is used by both political parties now in the US. By Democrats primarily to refer to Republicans' ridiculous hypocrisy, and by Republicans to try to emasculate Democrats.

Biology determines gender and unless you're a hermaphrodite, you are what you are - one or the other. Your mind is where it becomes a choice of what you think you are, but the biology disagrees with that choice. Accept that and don't push it on the rest of us who know what WE are. Live your life how you want, but don't you dare force that shit onto me where you think you get to choose what I call myself because you've decided you aren't what you were biological born to be.

biologically*

Trans is the opposite of binary.

r166 please refer to the diagram! THE DIAGRAM IS ALL! THE DIAGRAM IS LIFE!

R163, thanks, I try to avoid slang. I consider "snowflake" pejorative. R164, that's not what a hermaphrodite is. The meaning of that term is simply a person who has part of or both reproduction systems. He or she may still have XX or XY chromosomes or Klinefelter's Syndrome, which I believe is XXY.

r168 it IS pejorative. That's the point. But you can't use it by itself to determine if someone is a "Deplorable" or not.

R168, I'm just saying that in cases of hermaphrodites, there's a biological anomaly.

Found these interesting facts and figures in an article.

Below we provide a summary of statistics drawn from an article by Brown University researcher Anne Fausto-Sterling.2 The basis for that article was an extensive review of the medical literature from 1955 to 1998 aimed at producing numeric estimates for the frequency of sex variations. Note that the frequency of some of these conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, differs for different populations. These statistics are approximations.

Not XX and not XY one in 1,666 births

Klinefelter (XXY) one in 1,000 births

Androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 13,000 births

Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome one in 130,000 births

Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia one in 13,000 births

Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals

Vaginal agenesis one in 6,000 births

Ovotestes one in 83,000 births

Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause) one in 110,000 births

Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother) no estimate

5 alpha reductase deficiency no estimate

Mixed gonadal dysgenesis no estimate

Complete gonadal dysgenesis one in 150,000 births

Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft) one in 2,000 births

Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans penis) one in 770 births

Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births

Total number of people receiving surgery to “normalize” genital appearance one or two in 1,000 births

1 Dreger, Alice Domurat. 1998. Ambiguous Sex—or Ambivalent Medicine? Ethical Issues in the Treatment of Intersexuality. Hastings Center Report, 28, 3: 24-35.

2 Blackless, Melanie, Anthony Charuvastra, Amanda Derryck, Anne Fausto-Sterling, Karl Lauzanne, and Ellen Lee. 2000. How sexually dimorphic are we? Review and synthesis. __American Journal of Human Biology__ 12:151-166.

R169, gotcha, that's why I've never used it. I've also never referred to a man as "girl". R170, true. So is a man having 2 sets of male organs. I'll never forget doing sex research about men having 2 sets of organs, then seeing a str8 porno with a man who did and DPing a woman in both holes by himself. Recently saw a thread on here of another with 2 dicks, but they were adjacent horizontally instead of vertically.

I am not a fan of Harry Potter or her, really, but I really admire her for taking a stand on such a politically charged topic. An anti-black racist would be treated better on social media or in the media in general than someone who thinks sex and gender are different and should be approached as such.

Personally I am not brave enough to share my gender critical views in public, or anywhere outside my own home. But I am a coward and JK Rowling, Graham Linehan, Robert Webb and Martina Navratilova are not.

So kudos to them.

[quote]An anti-black racist would be treated better on social media or in the media in general than someone who thinks sex and gender are different and should be approached as such.

No, they wouldn't.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote]So is this person was is an XX chromosome born person, who transitioned to resemble a male but doesn't want to be referred to as a male?

I'm sorry, but that makes zero sense. Could you try again?

It's a good thing I searched first. I was about to post this same Rowling item so now the WHY DIDN'T YOU SEARCH guy can relax.

Not a Rowling fan fan but stand strong JK.

There is precedent for retribution for questioning the government mandated bullshit version of some scientific issue. It's from Stalin.

Learn a little about what can happen when Lysenkoism is allowed to override free inquiry and thought.

Yes, Afghanistan has the death penalty for gay men.

[quote]JK Rowling has proven for decades that she is a strong supporter of people's rights and dignity to live their lives. JK Rowling has donated tens of millions of dollars to worthwhile causes, spoken out against ugly right wing talking points, and demonstrated an openminded approach to dealing with people.

EXACTLY. Call me when the Ts are going after REAL ENEMIES like Trump, and not LGB people and their allies like Rowling, Martina, and RuPaul.

And I won't exactly be waiting by the phone.

Going after Miss Ru is disgusting. I don't care about the other two.

TERF Who Shall Not Be Named

We r all TERFS. The only ones who support trans are pedos or sexual deviants. Normal gay men don't accept that shit.

R174 the vast majority of responses to the discovery of Camilla Cabello’s tumblr at 16 where she threw around the word “nigger” with abandon at everyone from from babies to Obama was “leave her alone, she was 16” and “but satire!”.

This is why the Conservatives won. And why, if we’re not very careful this time around, the Impeached Orange Asshole will get another 4 years.

Every UK newspaper has a TERF columnist -- The Guardian, The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail, New Statesman, Financial Times, BBC.

It is not treated like Holocaust denial. You have a persecution complex.

Trannys are mental, and dangerous

So are rad fems.

Idk what a TERF is, but Rowling is fuckin annoying on Twitter. She wore out her welcome a long time ago.

baking a cake is not the same as being raped by omission

R41 WTF is being raped by omission?

R187 Hahahah fuck off ya cuntless wonder

Well, if you don't like the 'woke mob' you should be glad they turned off her. She was one of their bandleaders for years.

There is a three hundred pound Scotch lez with a grey buzzcut on this thread.

[quote]Going after Miss Ru is disgusting. I don't care about the other two.

I get it. I'm a gay man, though, and I thought the treatment of Martina — one of the bravest pioneers of the 20th century — was disgusting.

Aren’t these the same people who went after Angela Lansbury for saying women should take responsibility for how they dress? Talk about a witchhunt!

No, that was the rad fems mostly. R*se McG*wan fans.

LOL! Never change, Vox

The only homophobia here is coercing homosexual women into heterosexual acts. Seriously, saying lesbians should learn to like dick and telling them to choke on it while transwomen should never learn to accept they're men. Hypocrites. UK is a state of genderdelerious Oppenfuhrers it's no wonder they're allergic to free thought.

[quote]Or an XY born person who looks and dresses like a conventional male, but just doesn't want to be referred to that because they are a special snowflake?

He’s 100% XY male. He took on the non binary mantle because being a shlubby white dude from Dundee was getting him nowhere politically. Before he came “out” he was (is) a gay man.

[quote]He took on the non binary mantle because being a shlubby white dude from Dundee was getting him nowhere politically. Before he came “out” he was (is) a gay man.

JK loved all the politics that led to this.

So don't cry for her, Terf-Britannia.

I'm so upset about all this I had to tase a bitch!

I've found it. I've found the most idiotic tweet of all time. Do I win something?

As a gay man I understand why someone might have to carry weapons, if they're a vulnerable group.

R202 As a mental tranny....

[quote] Going after Miss Ru is disgusting. I don't care about the other two.

Who who pushed the myth that a tranny was responsible for Stonewall? That Ru?!

The person at r201 uses he/him pronouns (so most likely a female) and self identifies as a dragon.

No, I’m not kidding.

Pronouns are highly gendered behaviour. No straight man uses them. It's very female.

[quote] I suspect more influential figures harbor terven beliefs.

Thank you for this. Henceforth I shall call myself ‘terven’ as an heroic epithet. It’s a beautifully musical word, like a race Tolkien may have described in LORD OF THE RINGS. It speaks to my TERF-y Pagan needs.

[quote] LOL! Never change, Vox

Vox Media to lay off hundreds of freelance workers ahead of California labor law it had championed

Vox Media is cutting hundreds of freelance jobs ahead of California legislation it previously had championed as a "historic" law expanding worker benefits.

This past September, Vox reported on Assembly Bill 5 (AB 5), which guarantees freelancers and independent contractors in California "basic labor protections" that they didn't have before. The site called it not only a "progressive victory" but also a "historic moment for the U.S. labor movement."

"By making it hard for employers to misclassify employees as independent contractors, potentially millions of California workers who’ve been kept off payrolls will get basic labor rights for the first time, like overtime pay and unemployment benefits," the Vox report read. "This includes janitors, construction workers, security guards, and hotel housekeepers — and yes, this group also includes Uber and Lyft drivers."

AB 5 also allows such workers to join labor unions.

On Monday, SB Nation, the sports division of Vox Media, announced it's preemptively laying off workers ahead of the implementation of AB 5 in the coming months.

"In 2019, SB Nation contractors who live in California or contribute to California’s team sites did some truly amazing work... Together, over 200 people on California sites wrote thousands of blog posts in 2019 – pieces so diverse in their conception that it’s impossible to describe them en masse except to say, they were written for a community of fellow fans," SB Nation Executive Director John Ness wrote in a lengthy piece. "In 2020, we will move California's team blogs from our established system with hundreds of contractors to a new one run by a team of new SB Nation employees. In the early weeks and months of 2020, we will end our contracts with most contractors at California brands."

He continued, "This shift is part of a business and staffing strategy that we have been exploring over the past two years, but one that is also necessary in light of California's new independent contractor law, which goes into effect January 1, 2020. That new law makes it impossible for us to continue with our current California team site structure because it restricts contractors from producing more than 35 written content 'submissions' per year."

[quote] Pronouns are highly gendered behaviour. No straight man uses them. It's very female.

Honey, the day I take an anonymous poster's word on a gay chat board for what straight men do or don't do is the day that donkeys fly.

r201's link is jawdropping, but it also pretty much hilariously gives itself away.

[quote] No, Terfs get their conservative husbands and boyfriends to do the murdering for them. Constantly belittling, negging and invalidating trans women. Words have power, and all terfs are guilty of every murder that ever happens to trans folk.

"Words have power" exactly sums up why the writer uses such ridiculously over-the-top rhetoric, and why the poster above claimed "I have [been] the victim of more sexism than any woman on this planet,."

Words may have power, but they are not omnipotent. But trans activists like this Dragon Person often think for some insane reason that just by just claiming something to be so they make it so.

Yes, words are violence as any gay man who has heard the word faggot will know.

There's no comparison for you ciswomen.

[quote]Seriously, saying lesbians should learn to like dick and telling them to choke on it while transwomen should never learn to accept they're men.

A lot of transwomen are fucking assholes, especially the ones who clearly look like linebackers. I've said it before on here: Why is it OK to point out that REAL women have fake tits or a nose job, but we're supposed to pretend a transwoman's surgically-enhanced parts are real? At least with real women, they originally had breasts or a nose, whereas Trans are literally adding fake body parts they weren't born with.

SJW Twitter is JUST EXHAUSTED, y'all!!!

Time for the this thread to be closed. The homophobia is getting out of control.

Fuck off r214. You've filled up this thread (40 posts or so?) with your thinly-disguised attempts to shift the conversation to something other than Rowling's actual comments. You're transparently just trying to sow division so people don't discuss the subject at hand.

So long as this thread stand we’re going to stand up to TERF homophobia.

Disappointed with Betty Bowers (well, the guy behind Betty Bowers) for tweeting this. And I can't help but notice the number of likes and retweets is quite paltry in comparison to the other stuff Betty's tweeted today.

It's because a great number of people disagree with the "trans women are women" nonsense but they don't want to be bullied on Twitter over it so they show their disapproval in quieter ways. You can see in this thread alone we have the Division Troll actively working to try to twist the situation into xhir favor by throwing up a smokescreen of disinformation. It's bizarre how militant some are about this.

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r219 why are you linking to a ridiculous propaganda rag like that?

Corinna “Stop Breaking the Web” Cohn @corinna_cohn · 3h If @jk_rowling is a “TERF”, then I, a transsexual who had to come to terms with reality in order to resolve my depression, am also a “TERF”.

If @MForstater is a bigot for knowing that sex is a material facet of humanity, then so am I.

But none of us are either.

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R48, They have no problem with supporting conservatives like Caroline Farrow who claimed to be harassed by a transgender and has deliberately called gay men faggots and then acted like a dumb bitch pretending she didn't know what the word meant, nor anti-feminists like Matt Walsh who has repeatedly called gay men pedophiles, and who, by the way, has been stealing their own "gender critical" talking points for some time now and passing it off as his own, and in his next tweets he'll go back to saying homophobic and anti-feminist shit.

But they have the gall to ask us why we won't support them.

Go smash your dick in a door r224.

Sister Outrider @ClaireShrugged · 14h As a lesbian, #IStandWithMaya. If we cannot acknowledge sex then we cannot acknowledge same-sex attraction. That erasure of lesbian and gay sexuality is unacceptable.

Apparently it's "transphobic" to say "You might just be gay" to a young child questioning his sexuality.

Sister Outrider @ClaireShrugged #IStandWithMaya as sex has profound and devastating consequences for women & girls. 1 in 3 will experience violence in her lifetime. And that violence is overwhelmingly likely to be committed by a man. If we can’t name the sexual politics of patriarchy, we can’t challenge them.

Sister Outrider @ClaireShrugged · 13h Lastly, #IStandWithMaya because I refuse to be pressured into silence by the endless suggestions that we punch, kick, burn, shoot, or beat with a baseball bat any woman who raises her voice in dissent. Richard Collumbell @RCollumbell · 10h Replying to @ClaireShrugged and @alicekellartist I agree. As a gay man, #IStandWithMaya It’s totally the wrong direction to try and redefine homosexuality to be ‘inclusive’ of people who are of the opposite sex who self-identify as same-sex. It’s post-modern homophobic conversion therapy.

That all of this is being done in the name of Stonewall is horrible. Gays and lesbians are being erased and gnc kids likely to grow up to LGB are being sterilized and mutilated.

All those who giggled at MichFest jokes, this could not be more serious. The very basis for legal protections for LG are being eliminated in western countries under a mantel of progress and tolerance for US.

This is not a drill I call upon UK academic philosophers and other academics to publicly demonstrate their disciplinary values. Kathleen Stock

Follow Dec 18 · 3 min read

I am a professor of philosophy, employed at a British university in a Philosophy Department. Today, an UK employment tribunal judge ruled that the belief that biological sex is immutable, and that it is impossible to change one’s sex, is “incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others”.

He writes: “I do not accept the Claimant’s contention that the Gender Recognition Act produces a mere legal fiction. It provides a right, based on the assessment of the various interrelated convention rights, for a person to transition, in certain circumstances, and thereafter to be treated for all purposes as the being of the sex to which they have transitioned.” Please note: all purposes. The judge has therefore apparently ruled that there are no contexts whatsoever in which it may be permissibly denied that a person with a gender recognition certificate is the sex they say they are. He also says, in his ruling, that there is “significant scientific evidence” that one’s biological sex can be changed — erroneously citing intersex people as of relevance to the facts of social transition.

This judge has concluded that nothing illegal happened when Maya Forstater lost employment at the Centre for Global Development for stating these beliefs. The precedent is now set, and a message sent to UK employees: don’t express the view that people can’t change sex. Your job will not be protected if you do.

As I say, I am a professor of philosophy and I share Maya’s belief. I think it is perfectly true. My grounds are summarised in this short article. I have also written about why this belief qualifies as a philosophical belief.

Over the past year and a half, I have encountered many academics and public figures who have scornfully dismissed my and others’ claims that women, in particular, are losing their legal capacity to discuss what they see as their distinctive nature and interests, in certain important political contexts. This is happening because of well-funded lobbying groups like Stonewall, and their incredible reach on institutions and employers (including Universities). Stonewall explicitly advise, through their training programmes and propaganda — disseminated via their near-ubiquitous Diversity Champions Scheme and their Top 100 Employers Index — that “transwoman are women” for all purposes, just as the employment tribunal judge has just stated. Stonewall explicitly yet tendentiously interpret the Equality Act as saying that organisations should allow transwomen into every single space where women are present, and into every single resource already specially devoted to women. And Stonewall explicitly advise that the pathway to becoming a transwoman — and so too, according to Stonewall, the pathway to becoming a woman, because “transwomen are women” — should not be gatekept by any medical professionals whatsoever, but should be achieved through self-identification and an adminstrative procedure.

This is not a drill cont.

Yet, philosophers and other academics continue to lecture me: “no-one is talking about sex — everyone knows sex and gender are distinct!”. Well, this employment tribunal judge apparently doesn’t know it. In fact, despite the brave efforts of people like Maya, there is huge public confusion about the relation between sex and gender in the UK, largely due to Stonewall’s lobbying, training, and propaganda. Women are losing not just their legal and social protections, but we are approaching a situation where women (and men) cannot even legally speak about this loss.

I therefore call upon the British Philosophical Association, all learned Philosophical societies in the UK, and all British academic philosophers working in UK departments, to stand up and say out loud — or better, write it down where members of the public can read it: people should be legally permitted to believe that biological sex is immutable and cannot be changed, without fear of losing their jobs. You are philosophers. This is your moment. If not now, then when?

R26, R46, Are absolutely right.

R50, R139,

I've seen how they've been harassing gay men for several months now and starting dogpiles.

Whenever there's a story on gay surrogacy they're always there complaining "this is female erasure/exploitation/ what-a-bout the mother!" shit. Never hear a peep out of them when it's heterosexuals using surrogacy, and they are the majority surrogacy users. And they also have an issue with gay men adopting, but no problem with het adoption. You can't tell me that's not homophobia.

Whenever there's a story about gay men being sexually harassed by FTMs they seem to take some sort of glee out of it, "now you know how we feel" abusive crap they do, or downplay it entirely and say "well you don't have it as bad as us". This is the kind of disgusting things I've seen them say and you're going to tell me I'm just being a divisive troll??

And then there's the whole drag queen library/storytime issue. Their arguments and concern for the safety of children seemed reasonable at first, grown men in drag really shouldn't be stripping off in front of kids, but then you'll see their true intentions emerge; they've gone after several drag queens (ones that had absolutely no children involved in their acts) claiming it to be "woman face" and "misogyny" and linking it to pedophilia, like just recently, during Halloween there was a video of drag queen (Blair Back) who they claimed performed a "mock abortion" at one of his gigs, they started a dogpiled on him and whipped up hysteria amongst homophobic conservatives who were using derogatory gay slurs, calling him mentally ill, pedophile, "this is why we kill and lock them up" and claiming this to be an act of leftist politics. Are you going to tell me that's not homophobia? I looked into it myself and that drag performance had absolutely nothing to do with kids, trans/women's rights, abortion or politics. The drag queen stated it was inspired by some horror flicks he liked, that's all. But this didn't stop the gc/terfs from dregding up homophobic outrage. They're are just using the same homophobic rhetoric Radfems used back in the 70s against gay men. If you were genuinely concerned for children being exposed to sexualisation then where is your same level of criticism for Pantomime? (which is rife which sexual innuendos and adult humour) Or Kids Cosplay? Or Theatre/Movies, the Dramatic Arts...etc, Never saw any of you picket Mrs. Doubtfire... And what about the movies that depict women in the way the Blair Back performance was inspired by? Why aren't you outraged at the movie makers who illustrate women in this way, instead you decide to go after some random drag queen on Halloween?... Or it it only gay men who do drag you have a problem with?

… take off the mask because you're not fooling anyone, a lot of you are homophobes and no better than the TRAs you criticize.

R225, I pointed out two homophobes you morons are happy to support, and that's your response.

Thanks for proving my point, homophobic terf trash.

The fact that you're calling people TERFs in this thread shows that you're the homophobic trash, r232.

TL:DR but blocked, R231, R233

Martina pretty much caved, it was a brave thing for Rowling to do.

Sister Outrider is a brilliant young woman. We need her so much after the horrible loss of Magdalen.

Seems we were just giggling about Mich Fest and nutloaf - that this statement is controversial is astonishing. This is Orwellian and the state backed global nature of it is chilling. Rendering language meaningless and now loss of a job over off time speech?

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling · 14h Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

R233, the fact that your dismissing homophobia proves that you're homophobic terf trash. Terfs lesbians are not my problem. If you're happy to lie with homophobes then deal with your own shit.

It is as though we are living in The Onion, FFS. But the consequences are all too real.

Go smash your dick in a door, r237.

The greatest trick transactivism ever pulled was convincing the world it was the same as gay rights activism.

Maya Forstater was not rude to, nor did she inadvertently cause literal violence to, any actual Ts. She expressed on her Twitter page her conceptual view that men could not become women, and she lost her job (duhhhhhhh hello non-lawyers on Twitter, but not having a contract renewed can be a dismissal under UK employment law) for having that view.

No real trans people were harmed in the making of that argument, whether you agree with it or not.

[quote]Thanks for proving my point, homophobic terf trash.

I’m an out and proud gay man r232, but you keep slamming your dick in a door. It’s not like you’re doing yourself any damage.

R231 R232 R237 I always love it when you trash turn it....and quickly realize nobody buys the lies you spin. Lesbians before trannys FOR LIFE

Yep, R238: Gregor Murray is a man. Sam Smith is a man. That guy from Queer Eye with a beard is a man as well. We all know this.

It is not just Canada and the UK, please lend your voice to the situation in Seattle.

Here’s what Twitter thinks (because it is a hive mind that defaults to thick as pig crap):

1. That not having your contract renewed can’t be a dismissal under UK employment law (incorrect. It might be, or might not be and depends on the circumstances). 2. That Maya Forstater was rude to actual real trans colleagues (incorrect. She had no trans colleagues, on the evidence). 3. That Maya Forstater declined to use elected pronouns (incorrect. She in fact said she would use them, but she declined to agree that this meant she agreed material reality had changed). 4. That Maya Forstater asked for her particular views to be validated. Incorrect. She asked not to be fired for holding the view that a man cannot become a woman. The case was about her livelihood.

Twitter is an abject cesspit of stupidity. JK Rowling is, unsurprisingly, smarter than than the average human being on there.

I doubt the Forstater ruling will hold. It will almost certainly be appealed and overturned.

It also does not mean anything for US courts.

^But the mental cunts will be crowing, which is always dangerous with their level of accepted insanity

I agree, R246. Much of the judgment is evidently basic in its thinking and eminently appealable.

Not that this lends itself to Twitter hashtags.

Here's a lovely representative of the trans community showing you what it means to be a real woman, unlike those silly people with original vaginas!

She's reviewing eyeshadow in a racetrack betting parlor?

^ No, he is.

Earlier today Mark Hamill liked JKR’s tweet. When the lunatic brigade noticed, they swarmed his twitter and Hamill had to backtrack.

Good. I'm glad she already has her money, to not have to worry too much about the backlash.

R154: Why the umbrella metaphor? This is my theory:

[quote] Earlier today Mark Hamill liked JKR’s tweet. When the lunatic brigade noticed, they swarmed his twitter and Hamill had to backtrack.

Tell that to Billy Dee Williams.

Yikes. The violent threats from TERFs on this thread are worrying.

^ Never forget, the truth is literally violence. Dumb cuntless wonders

This obsession with cunts is worrying. Go slam your cunts into a knife.

This is a nightmare. Nothing she said was wrong. Trying to find a joke, but can't. The Transtapo are just out of control. My cousin is one of them. She decided to call herself a We. I kid you not. That has nothing to do with sex. So she's no a we (which I sort of like and find it whimsical), but she's posting all of this stuff on FB about how she's a victim.

She just last month changed her gender. Such a victim.

It’s now important to state this: gay men have a right to drag, gay men have a right to surrogates, gay men have a right to Affirmative Action

I say this because it’s just a matter of time before they come for us.

I’ve gotten to the point where I am willing to ban both the English language and the white race just to shut these people up.

R103 I have the victim of more sexism than any woman on this planet.

Are you inclding the thousands of females murdered at birth across China and Asia in that statement? Murdered because of their sex, not their gender.

You haven't experienced more sexism than they have.

Accusations of genocide. It’s no wonder we gay men fear what’ll happen when rad gems come for us.

Gay men are being attacked on our own board. The lack of moderation here is worrying. At a time when us gay men are under attack and being killed daily for being ourselves throughout the would these homophobic attacks have to stop.

Aren't you tired already, r264? If I told you that you won the Oppression Olympics would you stop being unhinged? You're all over this thread, enough.

Gay men who don’t conform to stereotypical mannerisms still get attacked on multiple fronts: from anti-gay bigots for being gay, for anti-male bigots for being male, and from q-word using freaks for not being what they think a gay man should be.

What the actual fuck? Femicide and female infanticide are well-accepted facts, absolutely nothing to do with gay men in any way. It’s a massive stretch to claim people pointing out the existence of misogynistic violence are a danger to gay men.

TERFs are not anti-gay, it’s the TRA who are a danger to gay men. The TRA movement states that “genital attraction” or any form of mono sexuality is inherently transphobic. Lesbians are told they have to fuck and suck penises or they are TERF scum who should be killed. That’s exactly the same as saying gay men should lick out transmen’s vaginas - how would you feel about that?

The only reason gay men are not being abused and oppressed for refusing to lick pussy is because TRAs are not women and don’t give a shit about anyone with a vagina, it’s all about phallocentric gynophobia. Basically people with penises oppressing people vaginas. You know, like the entire history of human oppression. In reality anyone with and grasp of logic would realise the fact the TRA thinks transwomen are women and ciswomen have to accommodate them, but cismen don’t have to accommodate transmen, is so obviously a massive inherent contradiction and so inherently hypocritical as to prove the real agenda: hatred of women and a sense of entitlement to women’s bodies.

TRA are very very homophobic. They are the real enemy. Not lesbians refusing to suck dick.

What the actual fuck? Femicide and female infanticide are well-accepted facts, absolutely nothing to do with gay men in any way. It’s a massive stretch to claim people pointing out the existence of misogynistic violence are a danger to gay men.

TERFs are not anti-gay, it’s the TRA who are a danger to gay men. The TRA movement states that “genital attraction” or any form of mono sexuality is inherently transphobic. Lesbians are told they have to fuck and suck penises or they are TERF scum who should be killed. That’s exactly the same as saying gay men should lick out transmen’s vaginas - how would you feel about that?

The only reason gay men are not being abused and oppressed for refusing to lick pussy is because TRAs are not women and don’t give a shit about anyone with a vagina, it’s all about phallocentric gynophobia. Basically people with penises oppressing people vaginas. You know, like the entire history of human oppression. In reality anyone with and grasp of logic would realise the fact the TRA thinks transwomen are women and ciswomen have to accommodate them, but cismen don’t have to accommodate transmen, is so obviously a massive inherent contradiction and so inherently hypocritical as to prove the real agenda: hatred of women and a sense of entitlement to women’s bodies.

TRA are very very homophobic. They are the real enemy. Not lesbians refusing to suck dick.

No transwoman’s ever called me misoggy.

R264 Fuck, you ARE all over this thread talking shit. Sad

The fact that cismen can abuse or even murder transwomen without a single peep from the woke crowd, but ciswomen aren’t allowed an opinion without facing violent abuse and oppression, says everything.

Statistically the vast majority of actual transphobia (meaning verbal abuse, slurs, physical abuse) comes from cismen yet the term “TERF” is explicitly anti-woman and basically downplays or seeks to recite the existence of the majority of actual transphobia.

Ask yourself, if TRAs actually care about transphobia, why do they totally ignore or actively excuse any and all transphobia (including actual murder) when the culprit is a cisman?

The fact that cismen can abuse or even murder transwomen without a single peep from the woke crowd, but ciswomen aren’t allowed an opinion without facing violent abuse and oppression, says everything.

Statistically the vast majority of actual transphobia (meaning verbal abuse, slurs, physical abuse) comes from cismen yet the term “TERF” is explicitly anti-woman and basically downplays or seeks to recite the existence of the majority of actual transphobia.

Ask yourself, if TRAs actually care about transphobia, why do they totally ignore or actively excuse any and all transphobia (including actual murder) when the culprit is a cisman?

R263 What accusation of genocide? Are you saying that females aren't being murdered at birth in some places in the world?

And no one is saying those murders are the fault of gay men. Or even men. Women have left babies on the side of hills because females hold no value in that society.

The point being made is that those children have suffered far worse sexism than the poster claiming to be the worlds no 1 victim.

If you can't see that, then your moral compass is way out of whack.

Because they WORSHIP the straight "cisman", r271. They view "ciswomen" as competition.

As a gay man, casual violence worries me less than a homophobic ideology like rad feminism.

R272 Don't use cis love, you sound silly

Gay men are killed in Third World countries. Women watch and support.

R264/r277 (and many, many more posts in this thread) is best blocked. It is pushing an agenda and its posts have the ring of inauthenticity. It clearly is trying to sow division - it does in every thread mentioning trans. It seems to think gay men are idiots.

Your misogyny is sickening r277. Get help. I grew up in the middle east, I know how both gay men and women are treated here. Both are treated awfully. In fact, being trans is more accepted than being gay because superficially speaking, they don't challenge the heteronormative norms.

R278 Trolldar reveals all about the drop kick

Gay men are my brothers and I love them — but they so often are idiots.

They are pathetically submissive to fish who hate them and fail to realise just how much fish hate them.

Not all us, some of us are leading the fight against rad fem.

R281 go lead your fake fight somewhere else.

Julie Bindel released an article about it (she apologized on Twitter for writing for the Daily Mail, but The Guardian refuses to publish posts disagreeing with trans agendas):

JK Rowling has landed in hot water, and it’s nothing to do with a Harry Potter plot. When the world-famous author, who has more than 14million Twitter followers, dared to tweet her support for Maya Forstater, a hitherto anonymous tax expert, she found herself scalded in seconds.

As I know all too well, the temperature on trans issues has a habit of reaching boiling point almost immediately, and is one in which very few people are brave enough to dip their toe.

I say brave because what JK has now discovered is that no amount of money or fame can protect you from the vitriol that comes with this debate.

She was immediately labelled a TERF (a slur, meaning a trans exclusionary radical feminist) and worse.

Welcome to my world. I was one of the very first feminists to speak out against extreme transgender ideology, in an opinion piece back in 2004.

It was written in response to a story in Canada, where a male to female transsexual had demanded to be trained as a rape crisis counsellor at a charity.

When this person was told, respectfully, that would not be appropriate, because the women seeking support after sexual assault would feel uncomfortable being counselled by a biological male, the charity was forced to endure a lengthy legal battle – which they eventually won. I wonder if they’d be so fortunate today.

I faced horrendous abuse from trans activists. I had death and rape threats. I was harassed and hounded in public, labelled a Nazi, a bigot, and accused of causing the suicide of young transgender people.

The ‘trans Taliban’, as I came to call them, would try to get events shut down at which I had been invited to speak about topics such as rape, child abuse or trafficking of women.

Angry crowds would turn up, waving their placards, demanding that I be thrown out because I, like Maya, believe that being born male or female is what makes someone a man or a woman.

It was hell and until five or six years ago, in the UK at least, I was almost completely alone. Whilst I would receive countless private messages from people telling me ‘I agree with you completely, but I dare not speak out because of what would happen to me’, I had to weather the storm in isolation. I began to get angry at those people that would tell me they were too scared to speak out, because they were perfectly happy for me to do it on their behalf.

I knew that what was behind the extreme transgender ideology was pure sexism and misogyny. So-called progressive men had been waiting a long time to be able to hurl insults at feminists such as myself and still be seen as on ‘the right side of history’.

But gradually, brave women such as Maya Forstater began to see that, despite the capitulation from the majority of liberals, this issue was only going to get worse.

It culminated in the male-bodied transsexual prisoner Karen White, being transferred to a female jail, where fellow prisoners were sexually assaulted. Feminists began to realise that if we did not join forces and resist this ideology, women would lose every single sex right we had fought for. Our refuges, changing rooms, hospital wards, and other single-sex services would be lost, because biological men only had to claim to be women for them to be able to use them.

We had to join forces to protect the female gender, which was seriously under threat.

What many people don’t appreciate is that one of the deeply tragic consequences of such widespread fear and capitulation to the extreme transgender ideology is that it has left those trans people who simply wish to live their lives, out in the cold.

The bullies do not speak for the majority of transgender people. They do not want to be held up as human shields by extremists. Of course they should be protected from prejudice, bullying and harm, but they don’t want to be tarred with the same dictatorial, rabble-rousing brush.

But this is what we will come to if we do not speak out against outrageous decisions such as the Maya Forstater case. Women should have the right to voice their opinions without fear of losing their jobs, their livelihood, or their sanity. That is what we fought for, as women, and what we must continue to fight for.

Julie Bindel is a feminist writer and author of Straight Expectations: What Does it Mean To Be Gay Today?

The same Julie Bindel who wrote this

[quote] What many people don’t appreciate is that one of the deeply tragic consequences of such widespread fear and capitulation to the extreme transgender ideology is that it has left those trans people who simply wish to live their lives, out in the cold.

This... many people seem to overlook this. Not all trans people are militants. Sadly, the TRAs minority give them a bad name.

R282 — the violent rhetoric used by TERFs is primarily what distinguishes them from civil, caring Trans Allies.

Say what, r288?

Take a look at this thread. All the comments to trans allies gay men involves telling us we’re privileged, should kill ourselves, are committing literal assault against Wymxxn.

Just fuck off, r290. No one is buying what you're selling.

Just fuck off, r290. No one is buying what you're selling.

So delicate and feminine, R291.

Go slam your dick in a door, r293.

R293 He is a gay man, unlike you, we use trolldar and can see you have only posted on this thread. You do not belong here.

Transwomen have never treated me with the same vitriol I’ve received from ciswomen.

R296 I presume everyone loathes you, with very good reasons

Women loathe us gay men when we refuse to be their meek little pets.

R298 You are neither a man, nor gay.

And women refuse to accept that someone could disagree with them. Cognitive dissonance — must be big, bad tr*nny!

Nope, I’m a gay man who centres gay men.

But I’m sure you’re a fat British dyke.

As this thread proves, if you replace "TERF" with "dyke", you see what people who use it are really trying to say.

Even for a trans thread this stands out as a dumpster fire. Go on...

Replace trans with fag and you'll see what TERFs are really trying to say.

R300 90 of the replies on this thread are from you.....that is a third of the thread. Sadly hilarious

You have to keep posting though. You have to keep throwing homophobia and someone should stand up to you and your ilk.

W*men are always trying to police Gay Men's speech.

The Forstater ruling isn't what you claim it is, though. She was not fired, she merely did not have her contract renewed after making tweets that violated the company's code of conduct.

Forstater tried to claim protected status for her beliefs via the 2010 Equality Act. She very clearly did not fall under the Act; thus, the ruling will not likely be overturned.

If she had won, it would mean people could sue if a company didn't renew their contract after seeing them tweet "lol faggots should all get AIDS," which I know doesn't bother most of the anti-trans straight ladies on here but is something I like to think the actual gays on Datalounge would have a concern about.

You can whine that "trans aren't us" all you want but in this case, regarding protected status via the UK's 2010 Equality Act, if what she tweeted was protected speech then homophobia would be protected, too.

Them's the breaks, kids. Blather with your fake legal opinions all you want, but that's how the cookie crumbles in this instance.

R306 you are spouting trans talking points. Not having your contract renewed is often the same thing as being fired under UK law.

[quote]If she had won, it would mean people could sue if a company didn't renew their contract after seeing them tweet "lol faggots should all get AIDS," which I know doesn't bother most of the anti-trans straight ladies on here but is something I like to think the actual gays on Datalounge would have a concern about.

[quote] if what she tweeted was protected speech then homophobia would be protected, too.

Yes, this is my fear too.

Should homophobia be protected speech, TERFs?

How soon until the Harry Potter book burning photos start appearing on Twitter?

R310 if you call them TERFs then they should be able to call you Tranny.

Why don't you TERFs call me a faggot.

I know you're dying too.

R309 your "fears" are false propaganda.

You're using the same tactics Donald Trump uses - basically to accuse others of doing the very thing he has been caught doing.

The homophobia is in the trans activist movement. It's in slogans like "trans women are women" and banning statements like "you might just be gay, not trans" as transphobia.

Save your Concern Trolling for Twitter.

I'm opposed to childhood transition of gay boys.

I support straight men becoming women in middle age.

R313 funny how you can't argue the actual point of fact and instead have to resort to overblown hyperbole to make your argument. You'd be laughed out of a freshman logic class and your remarks used as prime examples of fallacious reasoning.

I'm sorry your mother doesn't love you, r313. But I can see why...

[quote] The homophobia is in the trans activist movement. It's in slogans like "trans women are women"

There's no homophobia in this statement.

R318 there is plenty. Kids are being told they are trans instead of Lesbians or gay. Young gay boys and Lesbians are being erased.

"Trans women are women" is a brainwashing slogan spouted by propagandists and is not, in any real terms, true.

Like I said I'm opposed to childhood transition of boys.

But you TERFs have created Schrodinger's Transwomen: An effeminate gay man forcibly transed in childhood by societal homophobia (when trying to get gay men onside) and a big, butch straight man who just wants to rape when talking elsewhere.

So answer: Are most transwomen Gay Men or Straight Men?

The same person who keeps complaining bitterly about gay men saying things on Twitter they don't like:

[quote]I keep seeing gay thot Twitter posting outraged tweets (they never link to the original tweet so if you weren't aware of the context it seems just like vaguebooking) with sloganeering statements like TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN and how they'll block anyone who disagrees with them because they aren't debating folxs' human rights!!

is also the person who said

[quote]BTW the posters in this thread who are saying things like "TERFs hate gay men" are just division trolls.

Like others already said, if we saw any of you ladies complaining about all hetero men in the same way you complain about gay men (who are "sloganeering thots" according to you, even worse according to r/GenderCritical) then maybe we'd take you seriously, but you don't say jack shit about heteros who support trans.

If you say anything it's that all straight men are evil murderers when they kill "cis" women, and that "cis" women are murdered constantly and no one cares, but when they kill trans women, well, they were goaded into it because trans women all hide that they are trans and trick these poor straighties into murder, which is basically justified.

It's pretty fucked up.

It's funny how you call everyone who disagrees with you a TERF. I'm a gay man on a gay man's board.

To you, of course, being a woman is an insult, so it's no surprise that you would apply that label to someone who thinks you're full of jingoistic shite.

You're just a misogynistic propagandist. Save your lies, no one's buying.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

I'm a gay man who actually puts gay men first.

Most gay men spend their lives being told by women that they're not important.

Some pathologize this.

I will never stop calling out homophobia from TERFs.

R324 yes yes, we know, you've said it ten billion times on this thread in your many, many posts trying to stir division between gay men and Lesbians. You're a propagandist and you come off as totally disengenuous. We know you.

You’re not a real gay man if you stand with breeder men in dresses over genetic women who love genetic women exclusively.

And here comes a homophobic dyke to tell us who is and isn't a real gay man!

But, wait! A second ago those men in dresses were gay boys now they're breeders...

They can be both since there are "straight" and "lesbian" transwomen; both have different motives. You've got the Gigi Gorgeous, Nikita Dragun types and the Jessica Yaniv types, r327.

R327 we get the point, you will continue your obnoxious derailment because discussing things like an adult isn't part of your agenda.

Everyone stop discussing this here, because R327 has better things to do, like sterilizing minors, and telling LGB people to examine their bigoted genital "preferences".

R327 answer one thing for everyone: if biological sex is replaced with "gender identity" (something anyone can claim), what does that do to legally protect sexual orientation and women?

And here comes a homophobic breeder piece of shit at R327 to breedersplain why gays are the real homophobes for standing up for the genital integrity of our people.

We don’t like sellouts on this board. You are not gay if you support gay men being turned into fake heterosexual women or breeder men being turned into lesbians.

Heterosexual men are not inside-out lesbians, they are self-hating gay men in denial. Refusal by men to consent to sex with men is a form of self-loathing homophobia combined with self-loathing misandry.

JK Rowling is peak transing the nation. Many people had no idea basic biology is under attack.

The pro-tr*ns trolls are basically saying it's okay to blackmail, threaten, and manipulate gay people into consenting to wiping out the next generation of gays in order for gay rights to be protected.

[quote][R327] has better things to do, like sterilizing minors.

Except I've already said on this thread that I'm opposed to that.

[quote][R327] answer one thing for everyone: if biological sex is replaced with "gender identity" (something anyone can claim), what does that do to legally protect sexual orientation and women?

I don't care about women. That has nothing to do with gay rights.

Tr*ns is a choice. Being gay isn't. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, being 100% gay is the only normal form of human sexuality at all. It's not normal for men to be disgusted by other men's bodies. It's just not.

[quote]They can be both since there are "straight" and "lesbian" transwomen; both have different motives.

Okay -- what makes the gay men to women evil though? They don't want to rape, don't play sports.

What's the problem they cause for ciswomen?

Find me one American conservative Republican politician who openly supports tr*ns while still opposing gays.

[quote] Find me one American conservative Republican politician who openly supports tr*ns while still opposing gays.

Yes, I've always found this line of TERF thought odd:

"Gay boys are being transed by homophobic parents!"

But the most homophobic are also often the most transphobic. It's usually relatively pro-gay liberal 'lib-fem' women transing kids. I don't think there are any Trump voters who are so ashamed of telling people they have a gay son yet now love that their little Joey is actually a Joanne.

I am TERF

Hear me roar

You tr*nscult bigots are a bore,

And you're not a girl,

But boy, you sure pretend.

Gays can't take it anymore,

So take your bullshit out the door,

Bring this homophobic nightmare

To an end!

Oh no, you're not wise,

And your lies are causing pain,

Yes we'll pay a price:

Erase each gay rights gain.

If we have to,

We'll get you banned for this.

I am pissed,

I am just mortified,

I am TERF!

Seems like she is peak transing the globe, R331.

The globalist nature of this movement is chilling as are the repeated, literally violent attempts to silence those who do not capitulate.

I have never read a single Harry Potter book but may buy some sets for holiday gifts this year, go J.K.!

As a general rule the more anti-trans a feminist, the more anti-gaymale they are too.

[quote] I don't think there are any Trump voters who are so ashamed of telling people they have a gay son yet now love that their little Joey is actually a Joanne.

Tell that to Cher.

Homophobe R340 is basically calling gay men women. Anti-trans IS pro-gay. In fact, you can't be considered a gay ally if you support trans-anything anymore. Sorry, sellouts and turncoats no longer get to call the shots.

There is no way that tr*ns ideology is anything but a blueprint for gay extinction at this point.

TERF icon Caroline Farrow called us faggots and the dykes in her replies leapt to her defense.

I'm open to talking to anti-trans Gay Men.

I'm not open to talking to anti-gay w*Men.

It's okay for a transkeptical gay rights movement to exist.

But it's a mistake for gay men to get into bed with rad fems.

You're the one who's homophobic and trying to disguise your homophobia by uttering the mantra "right wing" to silence criticism of it. We will not back down. We will not be silenced. We will not be bullied into submission while you try to str8splain and project your own sexism and homophobia to justify gay erasure.

If opposition to gay erasure is right wing, then so is homosexuality itself.

This is ex-gay therapy and you know it.

I'm opposed to erasure of gay males.

But I support straight men becoming women -- specifically because it's good for gay men.

The tactics being used are very sophisticated. Borrowing these words, not mine...

I started reading Christopher Wylie's "MindFuck," his book about Cambridge Analytica and how a billionaire weaponized data analysis against democracy. I didn't expect to learn the specific methods of how girls and boys are convinced to hate their own bodies and everyone who disagrees with them.

Wylie defines "Perspecticide" as the active deconstruction and manipulation of popular perception.

Let's say the perspective is "sex is a material reality," or "lesbians are female homosexuals."

Wylie's context is explaining how ISIS recruits, or how law enforcement spreads dissent in criminal cartels:

“The most effective form of perspecticide is one that first mutates the concept of self. In this light, the manipulator attempts to “steal” the concept of self from his target, replacing it with his own. This usually starts with attempting to smother the opponent’s narratives and then dominating the informational environment around the target. Often this involves gradually breaking down what are called psychological resilience factors over several months. Programs are designed to create unrealistic perceptions in the targets that result in confusion and damage self-efficacy. Targets are encouraged to begin catastrophizing about minor or imagined events, and counternarratives attempt to remove meaning, creating an impression of confusing or senseless events. Counternarratives also attempt to foster distrust in order to mitigate communication with others who might hamper the target’s evolution. It is much harder to stay loyal to an existing hierarchy or group when you begin to think that you are being used in some unfair way, or when events seem senseless or purposeless. You become less willing to accept setbacks, take risks, or comply with commands.”

You can probably imagine when I read that how it exactly describes what has happened to the "LGBT movement." You can see how feminism's concept of a woman's self has been replaced with "his own."

Except for an article in New York Mag, his book has received very little attention. I think it would help us understand what happened to our families and our communities.

Postmodernism is cancer and the West is at stage 4 at this point.

Is there any country in the world you TERFs prefer?

Perstpecticide example: LGB orgs replaced the concept of dedication to the well being of LGB with T, despite the T aggressively undermining the legal basis for LGB and attempting to erase a generation of LGB kids. Handy concept to be aware of.

I wanna know who/what is behind the extremely sophisticated tech used in hypno sissy porn? Seems to be a heavy recruiting too of sudden onset AGP in men who never had it before. Heavy porn users looking for the next thrill stumble upon it and the ---born this way--- trans cult racks up more members.

recruiting TOOL

Since you're all such allies are you going to condemn Amy Klobuchar's homophobic dogwhistle about the gay man running for President?

What, no? You support her?

What a surprise!

From another thread:

[quote]I used to belong to a LGBTQ organization that was over 99% male. The two or three lesbians there (old boomers) hated the male dominance but also hated the male comradary. Although efforts were made to include them they felt they were never entirely part of the group. This is probably right as the easy going friendship and perhaps sexual energy among the men never extended to them. They were jealous essentially. So they proceeded to get into positions of power, personally attack many men, driving them out and reducing the membership. They worked to change many things about the group. Recently I heard the big lesbian (big in every way) argue the group should stop being LGBTQ focused and become "inclusive of all progressives." This would basically destroy the group but she probably thinks if it becomes that she'd have a chance of fitting in with the women who are supposed to show up. But there are already plenty of progressive groups out there for straights. They aren't going to come over to this one. Basically she and the other few lesbians are killing the organization cause they don't feel completely welcome. Again it's jealousy in this case, and resentment.

What's a "hypno sissy porn"?

Wait, I don't really want to know, do I?!!

Exactly, R354: the majority of people pushing this are not gay, but gays are getting caught in the crossfire because of years of brainwashing that anything other than male + female is wrong. Many is the time I hear about one of these so-called tr*ns kids coming from families with religious backgrounds, and I have even heard these quacks use the phrase "God made a mistake" to try and sell this crap to them.

This is a heterosexual-backed war on gay people's existence. Being gay means you like sex partners with the same body parts as you. That is a threat to the established order built around excluding that, so they had to invent something to dilute it.

[quote]Many is the time I hear about one of these so-called tr*ns kids coming from families with religious backgrounds

They mostly come from lib-fem families.

[quote]What's a "hypno sissy porn"? Wait, I don't really want to know, do I?!!

It is what its name describes. You can always run a whois.com search on the sites to find out who is behind them. They are usually based outside of the US.

Is anyone going to answer the question at R335?

They're the ones that get killed by men they try to bed, r362. They don't cause much problem for "ciswomen" but still, they cause problems for themselves.

The tr*nscult troll has literally made zero factual statements about feminism or homosexuality.

In 2019 the ACLU is focusing on compelling the managers of public restrooms to place tampons in the mens rooms.

Perspecticide: The ACLU defended free speech, even if it was repugnant, say that of Nazis. Then their perspective was shifted to wasting money on hygiene items being provided to those who have no need of them. At a time when free speech in Western countries is under unprecedeted attack, the issue is free tampons for those with no uterus?

Why then do ciswomen hate gay men to transwomen if they're not a threat?

Defending the free speech "rights" of Nazis was and is a mistake, R365. The TV movie about the neo-Nazis in Illinois, [italic]Skokie[/italic], ended with Carl Reiner's rabbi character asking "how many people have to die to protect the purity of free speech?" Is a whole generation of gay people enough for you breeder scum?

This lesbian was transed.

Quoting a TV movie is not a strong supporting argument. Seriously?

R22: Erm, excuse me?

R22: Erm, excuse me?

[quote] Quoting a TV movie is not a strong supporting argument. Seriously?

The movie was based on a true story. Try again.

If homophobia was behind transing the solution is to deal with homophobia in society, but gay men deciding to become women is the natural conclusion of gay men spending their lives being told they're 'privileged' when our lives are often hellish.

You started this, rad fems.

Own it.

Perspecticide: Amnesty International used to center on human rights issues - political prisoners, refugees and the like. Now they center on sex inclusive toilets despite the horrific possibilities of rape and lost education for women and girls. Even in the west, girls are skipping school on days they have their period when their school has converted to having only restrooms for boys and restrooms for anyone. Funny how it is always the women who give up better safety odds, to the benefit of who?

Perspecticide: Western news organizations used to appear to report widely on issues. Now they primarily act as propoganda organs on this issue as though information is a threat, not a value, along with free speech. To the benefit of who?

From link at R374:

In refugee camps across the globe, there is an increased demand for adult diapers. Is this because of some fetish? No. It’s because the females in these camps know that to walk to the bathroom alone at night puts them at a dramatically increased risk of rape, and they would rather sit for hours in their own excrement than risk being violated.

Amnesty International has called sex-exclusive toilets a human rights issue and the difference between whether many girls will be able to receive an education. These scenarios highlight a bleak reality that everyone already knows: Since the dawn of time, women and girls have been oppressed on the basis of our sex, not our perceived sense of gender or our affinity for pink.

Why should gay men care?

The legal basis underlying the protection of legal rights for gay men is being erased. A generation of gnc boys is being castrated and having their IQs lowered.

Yes, we're opposed to that as we've said a million times.

Why should we care about women and bathrooms?

Corporacide: Walt Disney Productions was a magical place where dreams came true, Princesses found true love and triumphed against wicked witches, animals talked, puppets became real boys, elephants flew, beds became efficient forms of transportation, and black people sang about zip-a-dee-doo-dah and rabbits and foxes trying to eat each other. It was a place where the medium of animation reached its technical and artistic zenith, where the word "theme park" entered the American lexicon, and where people worked for decades and decades out of loyalty and respect. Now it's a bloated relic coasting on memories, staffed by minimum wage workers living out of their cars, and the last remaining cultural influence of Baby Boomers even though most of Walt's best work was before the Boomers were even born! Their current corporate strategy is to ruthlessly exploit the past through remake after remake and buy out everyone who stole their thunder after Walt died, while even 35 years after losing a lawsuit over kicking two men out of the park for dancing together, they still seem to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting gays as equals while gladly being complicit in the erasure of gay youth. They now own ABC and the same people pushing the chemicals that make this happen are the same people who buy ad time on that and other networks.

They got cartoons now, fellas.

Protect gay youth FROM the tr*nscult.

This article, and the report itself (linked therein) are important reads as to goals and strategies.

Might not be so easy, R381. Top legal and PR firms are working against you on a global basis.

This section is illuminating:

GOOD PRACTICES FOR NGO ADVOCACY In recent years, varying advocacy techniques have been employed by NGOs and politicians in their efforts to effect change in their countries with regard to legal gender recognition. While cultural and political factors play a key role in the approach to be taken, there are certain techniques that emerge as being effective in progressing trans rights in the ‘good practice’ countries.

They have literally made it legal to kidnap gay children from their families to subject them to chemical/physical sterilization. You know damn well many of these are kids who would grow up to be gay without medical intervention.

Are there any LGB organizations out there?

Canada is doing it, too, which is in character for them:

The lovely McKinnon appears to have rebranded. Yaniv should try it. Veronica Ivy now, TERFS!

Dysphoria Joe @DysphoriaJoe · 16h The Cyclepath's hit-piece on JK Rowling and Maya Forstater isn't worth reading, its the usual claptrap. But oddly, it's bylined "Veronica Ivy", with this note at the bottom:

"Veronica Ivy, PhD, is a philosophy professor and athlete who has previously gone by Rachel McKinnon."

If they're all gay boys I guess ciswomen don't have to worry about being raped by them!

Support those who do not blindly issue propoganda with some clicks. Support JK on Twitter and raise the issue in discussions. T have used the goodwill toward LGB as a sheild, it is important for us to lend our voices to more nuanced discussions.

Support those who do not blindly issue propoganda with some clicks. Support JK on Twitter and raise the issue in discussions. T have used the goodwill toward LGB as a sheild, it is important for us to lend our voices to more nuanced discussions.

See, the thing about parasitic worms is; they’re all anus & no brain, and when you cut them in half they become two worms.

If you read the comments on various outlets, it becomes obvious that the straights think that these anti TERF MtFs are whiny, effeminate gay men. They’re oblivious to the fact that most of them are heterosexual men who think they’re lesbians. Again, it’s gay men who are scapegoated.

R389, do you really believe Julie Andrews and Cher are more homophobic towards Gay Men than Anita Bryant?

Support those who don't put an extra "o" in "propaganda."

Did she apologized yet? We know the bulling won't stop until she "regret" what she said, just like Martina. The emperor is still naked, they know, we know, but you can't talk about. Surreal

Did she apologized yet? We know the bulling won't stop until she "regret" what she said, just like Martina. The emperor is still naked, they know, we know, but you can't talk about. Surreal

Remember this:

She should apologize. She should say:

"I'm sorry you can't see the reality that you chose to destroy your body out of self-hatred. I'm also sorry you felt the need to take that self-hatred out on me for pointing out the difference between trans women and actual women. I'm sorry you can't realize that real women had no say in the matter."

[quote] Tr*ns is a choice. Being gay isn't. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, being 100% gay is the only normal form of human sexuality at all. It's not normal for men to be disgusted by other men's bodies. It's just not.

True.

Transwomen just do womanhood better than ciswomen.

Can we emboss R334’s comment on a plaque and nail it to the DL doors?

[quote]If you read the comments on various outlets, it becomes obvious that the straights think that these anti TERF MtFs are whiny, effeminate gay men. They’re oblivious to the fact that most of them are heterosexual men who think they’re lesbians. Again, it’s gay men who are scapegoated.

Yes, which is why we must separate.

But I want more transbians in women's bathrooms. Rad fems need to be taught a lesson.

As a gay man, I have more respect for lesbians who reject femininity without rejecting being female than I do for effeminate men whether or not they transition into a pale simulation of the opposite sex. For a woman to reject femininity requires her to merely remove that which was placed there artificially, and usually by men. For a man to embrace it means to embrace an artifice created by other humans for the express purpose of sexual stimulation.

R402, that is incredibly homophobic.

As a gay man, I have more respect for gay men who reject masculinity without rejecting being male than I do for butch women whether or not they transition into a pale simulation of the opposite sex. For a man to reject masculinity requires him to merely remove that which was placed there artificially, and usually by women. For a woman to embrace it means to embrace an artifice created by other humans for the express purpose of social control.

The end result of 'gender is a social construct' is beating effeminacy out of gay men.

I love gay men who refuse to conform -- Drag Queens are braver than any woman.

How would you feel if a gay baker was forced to bake a cake for a Southern Baptist church picnic or lose his job? Scenarios such as these happen daily in the US.

I love those who break down their gender's stereotypes -- drag queens do it better than anyone else.

So liking pink sparkly crap, having long hair, and being submissive to hetero male jerks overrides having a vagina, a cervix, a uterus, ovaries, and no Y chromosomes. Got it.

[quote]I don't think there are any Trump voters who are so ashamed of telling people they have a gay son yet now love that their little Joey is actually a Joanne.

I saw an episode of one of those "let's watch obese people try to lose weight" shows a few years ago and the woman (or man dressed as a woman, I can't remember) was trying to lose enough weight to have a sex change operation.

What I do remember quite clearly was the person saying, in her very thick Southern accent, that her obviously hillbilly relatives had told her in reference to the sex change, "It's okay, at least you ain't gay."

[quote]Transwomen just do womanhood better than ciswomen

Every human being who has ever lived emerged from the womb of a woman. Yes, even pathetic misogynistic trolls like you. I feel sorry for your mom.

I've said things in anger I felt guilty about but never have I condoned the kind of misogyny like the kind I see from these TRAs.

Any lesbian who refuses to stand up to this shit is a handmaid. Don't you care about the future of gay people? Don't you want a world where women can love women and men can love men without fear of oppression anywhere on Earth?

[quote]Every human being who has ever lived emerged from the womb of a woman.

Wombs are incubators, nothing more. They exist to be rented.

[quote]What I do remember quite clearly was the person saying, in her very thick Southern accent, that her obviously hillbilly relatives had told her in reference to the sex change, "It's okay, at least you ain't gay."

That's very sad. And while it does exist, it's not the main case in the US.

I am totally opposed to the transing that takes/took place in Iran and apartheid South Africa.

I imagine they just went from being ashamed of their gay relative to being ashamed of their trans relative.

That's correct, R409.

I identify myself -- as a gay man -- through social markers more than sexuality ones.

[quote]None of it is pushed on us, we're pushed away from it... yet... I still love shiny things and Cher -- just like when I was three years old.

I'm gay and I can't stand Cher. I never had a problem with her until she refused to accept Chastity until she cut off her breasts, had her voice permanently lowered by hormones, and started calling herself a heterosexual male. She's a bigoted bitch who has exploited gay men for money for years while contributing to the erasure of the LGB community by the same things that keep her from looking like the inside of King Tut's tomb.

If rad fems want Gay Men's support they should offer them something.

All I hear from them is R*se McG*wan stuff about how we're even more evil than straight men.

No trans person has ever said that to me.

G*nd*r-critical radical feminists are the only real feminists and the only people left on the left I consider sane or worthy of taking seriously. Ignore them at your own peril.

[quote] Trans panic is the new reverse racism/reverse sexism/heterophobia/false equivalence scareword made up by bigots to project their bigotry onto those they hate

Fixed.

Okay.

Do gay men have the right to gay men's spaces?

Remember when r/gendercritical says porn was a Jewish conspiracy and wanted all children of gay men who used surrogates seized and returned to their carriers?

As wonderful as JK's tweet was, I wish she had gone a bit further and said bluntly, "If you have a penis, you are a man." There's no way anyone outside hardcore SJW circles would have interpreted that as anything other than a factual statement - the general public would have been even more bewildered by the hatred she's receiving than they are now.

It's amazing that some people have a penis and still do a better job at performing womanhood than some ciswomen.

She has never said anything unkind about gays that I'm aware of. You can't and have a career after Anita Bryant lost hers. Except I do think white homophobes get off the hook less easily compared to nonwhite ones because they don't have a history of having been discriminated against on racial grounds.

[quote]You can't and have a career

You absolutely can.

I consider myself socially liberal but I cannot align myself with the illiberal mentality being espoused by the Left today. The Far Left now consist of intolerant people who want to ban free speech and take away rights of biological women under the guise of equality. They are under the false notion that surgically altering one’s genitalia and secondary sex organs automatically makes that person the opposite sex from which they were born. This is a pathetically wishful and disturbingly simple way of defining sex, not to mention scientifically ignorant. You cannot overturn XX or XY chromosomes that you were born with, nor the certain physical characteristics, including advantageous ones that are directly the consequences of testosterone among other factors.

You’re living in a fantasy land if you think cutting your balls and dick off, along with taking estrogen therapy, will magically transform biological male into female. When science finds a way to switch sex chromosomes, then we can talk about the issue in scientifically-based realities. Trans movement has taken over the discussion for gay and lesbian equality; it’s taken the movement into regressive, anti-intellectual realms. Biological women and gay men are just supposed to shut up while we relinquish our rights to define ourselves in terms no longer acceptable to trans ideology.

It’s troubling that women are told they’re transphobic for merely stating the obvious or for pointing out equality of competing against biological males in sporting events. It’s dangerous to think that conservative cultures being more accepting of gay sons being trans, which I have seen myself. I’ve worked with a few Latino trans preteen patients in our psych practice who are gay but are now saying they’re trans due to parental acceptance. One of the boy’s mom told me that she would be more accepting of her son as trans as opposed to gay. The other one has a dad who also said more or less the same thing, in fact he said something along the lines of better gaining a daughter than the other choice.

[quote] It’s dangerous to think that conservative cultures being more accepting of gay sons being trans, which I have seen myself. I’ve worked with a few Latino trans preteen patients in our psych practice who are gay but are now saying they’re trans due to parental acceptance. One of the boy’s mom told me that she would be more accepting of her son as trans as opposed to gay. The other one has a dad who also said more or less the same thing, in fact he said something along the lines of better gaining a daughter than the other choice.

This is heartbreaking.

We need to be focused on stopping this rather than obsessing over a transbian wanting to play sport.

[quote]It’s troubling that women are told they’re transphobic for merely stating the obvious or for pointing out equality of competing against biological males in sporting events. It’s dangerous to think that conservative cultures being more accepting of gay sons being trans, which I have seen myself. I’ve worked with a few Latino trans preteen patients in our psych practice who are gay but are now saying they’re trans due to parental acceptance. One of the boy’s mom told me that she would be more accepting of her son as trans as opposed to gay. The other one has a dad who also said more or less the same thing, in fact he said something along the lines of better gaining a daughter than the other choice.

That explains why a movie inaccurately called [italic]A Magnificent Woman[/italic] won the Best Foreign-Language Feature Oscar the same year [italic]Horseface and Ratboy in Nazi Pedo Land[/italic] came out. Both, by the way, were distributed in North America by Sony Pictures Classics.

If rad fems cared about gay men instead of only themselves we could stop so many unnecessary transitions.

Anyone who says TERF is a RETARD:

Reality-

Evading

Trans-

Advocating

Retrograde

Dipshit

I’m confused as to why Judith Butler isn’t considered a TERF. If you accept the ‘gender as performance’ theory, the idea of actually ‘biologically’ transforming yourself into the desired sex is absurd and a waste of money and resources. Does she validate the notion men being able to claim they’re female (or vice versa), without having to ‘transition’?

For starters, she isn't rad fem, she's lib fem.

Leaving aside the T thing there's that.

“The greatest trick transactivism ever pulled was convincing the world it was the same as gay rights activism.”

Too true. Pretty much every person over 40 is too busy living their life to realize what has happened with transgender activism over the last five years. They think it’s the same as being gay only a little bit more so. So they are very very supportive without understanding what they’re doing. People’s’ empathy has been weaponized.

[quote] “The greatest trick transactivism ever pulled was convincing the world it was the same as gay rights activism.”

I thought the greatest trick they ever pulled off was fooling Danny Bonaduce!

We can't led these people undo our progress. We must separate.

We can however use them to reduce w*men's progress whilst being separate.

There is some actual fucked up shit in this thread. I am amazed.

If you block one poster a lot of the 'transwomen > ciswomen uwu' insanity disappears.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I think Esmeralda is a tad confused.

"@rickygervais Exactly. We need to protect the rights of women. Not erode them because some men have found a new cunning way to dominate and demonise an entire sex."

Gervais and Graham Linehan amaze me. I guess it's just so odd to see heterosexual men put themselves on the line like this when they have absolutely nothing to gain. I respect them both greatly for doing it.

I wonder if Ricky will lose his job hosting the Golden Globes.

Gervais has more guts than I would have expected. Brava

Where’s the link to Gervais’ tweet? Did he delete it?

R14 really? Give us 3 examples. We'll wait.

R423 We that's because performative womanhood was invented and enforced by men.

Here, R443:

Thought this was an illuminating graphic:

David Walliams: "She is my hero."

The Division Troll is sleeping. The thread is safe until morning!

In response to Gervais' tweeting, the Advocate wrote a whole article in defense of the hurt feelings of... a parody account. Commenters in this Twitter thread are telling the idiots to take it down, but it's the weekend, so...

She's edited the article to say this:

[quote]“Speaking as a trans woman, the thought that I will no longer be welcome in a fictional school for wizards has destroyed me,” wrote Twitter user Jarvis Dupont, which is considered a troll account, not actually representing a trans woman.

[quote]Still, Gervais's response dripped with anti-trans sarcasm whether he was responding to a troll account or not.

Also I'm pretty sure she is a he. Xhe's hiding xhir face behind a cat.

Xhe clearly can't admit xhe was wrong, because xhe is pushing an agenda.

Fucking hell, these people are dangerous.

Fucking hell, these people are dangerous.

^ That is psychotic. They're like Hitler's armies being told a "Jew" is the enemy. And when you couple that with trans womyn with axes, well...

"Also wanted to note the casual "sorry not wheelchair accessible". No care for anyone else's issues"

Someone pointed that out on Twitter about that post ^

The ACLU and Amnesty are no better than Stonewall. Kudos to this athlete for speaking up.

Sharron Davies MBE @sharrond62 So where do female humans rights fit? Oh yeah right underneath & behind trans rights! You can’t justify one groups loss of safety & equal opportunities by repeating a mantra! Quote Tweet

Amnesty UK @AmnestyUK · Dec 19 Just in case anyone needs reminding 🤦 🤦‍♀️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♀️

Trans rights = human rights. Trans rights = human rights. Trans rights = human rights. Trans rights = human rights. Trans rights = human rights. Trans rights = human rights.

#TransRightsAreHumanRights✊🏾 Show this thread

Our overloads seem to think people in the West are as trained as those in North Korea with these culty slogans.

Gervais has fuck you money. I'm sure he doesn't give a shit about his Twitter cred.

Like their purportedly T kids, their moms also suffer from mental illness at a much higher rate. Who woulda guessed it?

No wonder this kid is not being taught coping skills, mom is a real piece of work.

Read down the thread, it is Mermaids who is inciting and driving this behavior - and encouraging social contagion by such posts on social media.

R453, they're just digging themselves into a deeper hole. They live in an echo chamber, and they forget that anyone who is neither an MRA nor a hardcore SJW will be disturbed by that sort of threat.

"SJW" is Neo-Nazi-speak for "nigger lover".

What Chastity Bono ended up doing to herself was just sad, R416. I read her book about coming out as gay when I was a baby dyke and I enjoyed it but there was a sadness to it, like she wrote the book to get her parents to accept her, in a way. Cher made comments about how masculine Chaz was as a woman and you’ve got to think some of that stuck. The documentary with Chaz’s sweet, drunk girlfriend having Chaz burp in her face because he was a guy now, was both revealing and depressing television.

To see Chastity end up claiming to be a man is not something I could ever think was a positive thing. I feel that way about many transitions I hear of. Which no doubt makes me horrible transphobic trash, right, thread troll? And several times worse given I have an actually female body...

I am sure there are a small number of genuinely trans people, but not very many. To see young women hating themselves so much that they end up claiming they are “gay men” and then date other FtMs... all to not be lesbians... is just absolutely tragic, I’m sorry. Yeah, yeah, actual lesbians are tragic too, sure we are, etc, thanks thread troll let me save you the time.

NBC is all in, the T seem a bit rattled by the detransitioners and their resistance to being silenced. Makes me wonder how large the numbers really are - remember when the study about the issue at a uni was blocked?

What the hell is going on with NBC News? They just let the awful "Veronica Ivy" (Rachel McKinnon) spew all over their site about Rowling, too.

They need to be called out.

Peony Genderfree Campbell @MeanwhileIPaint · 18m Why do trans-privilege people keep saying they're not medicalizing kids? We literally had a TV show run for 6 years about castrating a homosexual boy.

r461 sure it is 🙄🙄🙄

r459 that is so stupid. It's ridiculous how trans activists have to immediately use hyperbole ("JK HATES people like xhir!"). If they didn't have hyperbole and "slippery slope" arguments, they would have NOTHING.

Because what JK said is supportive of womens' rights and not trans.

I love that they're so pressed about it. They can't "cancel" JK Rowling, and most of them probably grew up on her books. I'd hope it's causing some of the slogan-repeaters to rethink their nonsense, but I don't think they have thought about it at all.

Amnesty's account is clearly run by some millennial SJW now. It's a pity.

For such a small marginalised segment of the population trans 'folx' sure seem to have mainstream media outlets and other huge corporate entities in their back pocket. It may be that everyone just wants to rush to the fore to defend what they believe to be a vulnerable minority and score woke points thereby, but this is looking increasingly like a top-down operation rather than a grassroots civil rights struggle.

R469, the entire blue print is laid out in the report linked within this article. Including the part about hiding behid and coopting the goodwill towards the LGB community.

It all comes down to Western people needing to feel good about themselves. They do this by jumping on the bandwagon early and becoming an ally to a minority group. “I supported the black/gay community before it was fashionable.” Everyone wants to virtue signal. Gay is now passé. Western culture is running out of victims to support. Trans are the last of the bunch.

Other celebs are weighing in.

The only people I've seen support Rowling are Glinner, Ricky Gervais and Lawrence Fox. The latter is a nobody, the former is already notorious and the middle is a free speech provocateur.

But I'm glad for it, nonetheless.

On a general note I feel like saying I don’t support free speech.

If someone calls me a f*ggot I think they should go to prison.

None of you dykes support free speech either as you relentlessly try to F&F and report on Twitter anyone who says TERF.

You want the freedom to hate gay men and transwomen — and them banned from standing up to you.

As I’m sure you’ll try and reveal.

No one should go to prison for a thing they said. Grow up, words can't hurt you. Also, why do you keep assuming that everyone who posts on this thread is a woman? Not all gay men are disgusting misogynistic pigs like you, r474.

As a gay man, I'd always believed the assertions about trans people put out by the major LGBT organizations, but this article makes me believe I've been in a trans bubble. If the ultrahigh murder rates of transpeople espoused by conventional wisdom and democratic candidates is wrong, then what else is wrong? I assume that the high suicide rates are accurate right? And the levels of job discrimination above that of racial minorities? I feel a little like I'm stepping out of a cult and trying to parse what's real and what's not.

David Baddiel weighs in. He also used the phrase “cis Jews”. Cis Jews! I’m rolling.

[quote] Good that Twitter is choosing not to shout extremely angrily about this but instead at our greatest children's author for having an opinion.

[quote] Well, if someone said "everyone including Jews has a right to live their life in peace and security, but I personally think Jews who have converted from another religion aren't exactly the same as Jews born Jewish" - I'd think that was an opinion yes, not hate speech. Bye now.

[quote] I agree. But I don't think it would be anti-Semitic to understand that distinctions exist, not least in terms of anti-Semitism itself. The Nazis for example did not kill converts as long as they converted back to Christianity. They persecuted only cis Jews.

Some of the most irrational arguments and poor logic I have ever come across on Twitter gave been by those promoting the pro trans self ID point of view.Also a tendency to be VERY aggressive and patronising in their moralising. They dont seem to be able to process sensibly the pushback they are receiving.They are so zealous they give the impression they can only see how unfailingly right they are and how awful and ignorant those who disagree are.

[quote]No one should go to prison for a thing they said.

Mumsnet wants people to go to prison for saying things like 'I support women and ciswomen!'

[quote]Grow up, words can't hurt you.

They can. And have. I was called a f*ggot and other homophobic slurs everyday when I went to school and eventually tried to kill myself.

[quote]Also, why do you keep assuming that everyone who posts on this thread is a woman? Not all gay men are disgusting misogynistic pigs like you, [R474].

Women created the ideology that is rad-fem. You're right that on this gay board plenty of gay men will gleefully say women have things so much tougher than them but just try saying that on r/gendercritical -- BLOCKED INSTANTLY -- by those free speech lovers!

I wonder if this woman is a TERF?

Laurence Fox:

Dec 20 You can’t change your biological sex.

Sorry, not sorry.

Having said that, identify however the fuck you like.

I’ve been known to sport the odd dress on occasion.

I have lovely ankles, you see.

#IStandWithMaya

But don’t identify as a wymxxn — that literally erases me!

[quote] “Speaking as a trans woman, the thought that I will no longer be welcome in a fictional school for wizards has destroyed me,” wrote Twitter user Jarvis Dupont, which is considered a troll account, not actually representing a trans woman.

Bitch, you’re not even good enough for the Emelius Browne Correspondence College of Witchcraft.

[quote] We literally had a TV show run for 6 years about castrating a homosexual boy.

Everyone who watched [italic]Who’s the Boss[/italic] and [italic]Growing Pains[/italic] yet refused to watch [italic]Silver Spoons[/italic] and [italic]Punky Brewster[/italic], this is your fault. I swear those first two shows were directly aimed at people who sent hate mail to Norman Lear calling him a n——r lover.

It’s also your fault if you watched [italic]The Cosby Show[/italic] but none of the other black sitcoms of the era.

I actually find the term TERF unhelpful — though like that all those free speech advocates want anyone uses if banned and imprisoned..

I prefer the term Rad Fem — there’s no need to specify T E as all R F is T E.

Dyke is still my initial preference though.

I am loving this fight between J Rowling and trans women. Gays men need to sit on side line and enjoy the show and should not takes side

My view too, R486.

Someone pass the popcorn.

This thread is interesting

This thread is interesting

As a gay man, I support the lesbians on this. Trannies are lunatics that aim to abuse women and rape straight men.

R490, Pick up your fight wisely

Trannies also hate gay men, but we are the only group left unafraid to push back hard and they know it.

LOL yes I totally believe you are definitely a gay man who is now questioning what other gays told you because of a dipshit article you read on Quillette.

You don't seem like an astroturfer trying to work the crowd or anything, no sir, you seem absolutely genuine.

Remember when Posie Parker appeared on that white nationalist podcast a couple of months ago?

Actually I am a gay man and have been standing up to queer/lefty/trans creeps for years before the feminists who naively pushed for this tranny insanity understood fully what a mistake they were making.

[quote]this is looking increasingly like a top-down operation rather than a grassroots civil rights struggle

Mmm yes just like the blacks were in bed with the commies during the civil rights struggle, right? No one wanted civil rights for blacks, it was just the damn Russkies trying to rile us all up. Now it's happening again!

It's not that most people feel trans deserve basic civil rights and decency, it's that evil provocateurs are trying to... wait, what is it again? You guys used to say they were trying to erase the gays, then it was erase women, then it was Big Pharma turning all our kids trans for the profit margin, but I admit I don't know what your conspiracy theory is now.

Remember when Germaine Greer was asked a million times if she supported gay marriage and never said yes? Remember when she said Ireland legalising gay marriage was ‘misogyny’?

Gay men are constantly performing emotional labour for women who hate them.

Most women don't hate us. What a stupid thing to say.

r40: "...feminists who don't believe that trans women are actually women." AKA, "feminists with a working brain."

If "trans women are actually women," there would be no need for the prefixes "trans" or the loathsome "cis."

There are two main types of trannies - both dangerous :

1. Brainwashed and delusional gay males who want sex with straight men. IE They want to RAPE straight men 2. Straight male cross dressers looking to live a lesbian fantasy and willing to use coercion and violence.

R500, if trans women were actually women, they wouldn't keep behaving like entitled males.

(It's always the MTFs.)

That’s the tragedy: Most gay men don’t realize how much women hate them.

It’s easy to see how homophobic that line of thought is — that most transwomen are sex-crazed gay men trying to prey on innocent straight men.

That’s like every old homophobic trope rolled into one.

What’s next? Since we don’t reproduce we have to recruit?

R474 grow the fuck up.

The problem is mostly the dehumanisation of transwomen. Like when Germaine Greer called them ‘it’ and Janice Raymond said they should be ‘mandated out of existence’.

If you follow the TERF logic that it’s all part of a plot to rape fat, old butch dykes — despite them also just being gay men somehow — you can see how when TERFs decide to start wantonly killing women and using ‘panic’ and ‘self-defends’ it normalises violence against transwomen.

R505 is a snowflake (and probably a fairy and all other euphemisms too) who is triggered by my free speech rights!

[quote] Women are constantly performing emotional labour for men who hate them.

Fixed for historical accuracy.

A dickwad on here actually posted that anybody who calls him a faggot should go to prison!

I hope he sees this. If it's who I think it is, he needs to get fucked dry by the biggest dick I can find. What a fucking pussy. This is the United States of American and we have a Constitution that states anybody can say whatever he or she desires. I'll fight for that to my death. And he can go straight to Hell and rot there.

Stop lying about women not supporting gay rights. Hell, even Fox News isn't able to lie about it anymore: "That shift comes entirely from women. Since 2015, support among women has increased 14 points, while support among men went down two points. Meanwhile, there’s a 19-point gender gap: 63 percent of women vs. 44 percent of men are in favor."

Women overwhelmingly support gay rights. The right of predatory straight men to be in their locker rooms/prisons/shelters/sports? Not so much.

This ostensibly gay board is constantly defending women.

When does r/gendercritical or mumsnet do the same for gay men?

R510 thanks. That's shocking on Fox News. Probably the favorite channel for those with Angry White Man Syndrome.

R509 here. Remove the "n" from "American" in my post. To clarify, the "man" to whom I provisionally referred above is a hung top, so you get the idea.

Yes, lib fems can benefit gay men.

Rad fems do not.

I see the "I'm a gay man" Division Troll is back with a vengeance and seventy new posts (give or take).

I'm guessing you don't work... Or, astroturfing for this topic is your job. You post divisive comments from morning until night. Luckily you have to sleep so we can have real discussions then.

"Real discussions" in which you all agree with one another on everything.

What is, however, objectively divisive is the LGB Alliance -- since its stated aim is to divide LGB from T.

R515 yes you add a lot to the discussion by whining about TERFs hating gay men, constantly. And nice try with the strawmen - again.

Are you paid by the post, or the length of the post?

[quote]And nice try with the strawmen - again.

I'm a gay essentialist. I center gay men in my views on every issue.

This is a gay board and whether a group is pro-gay or anti-gay is extremely important.

And, if you my posts, you'll see I don't care one way or the other about trans, just about rad fems.

It's clear you just have a problem with my freezepeach though.

R514 bite me. I never said I'm gay, nor do I have internalized homophobia. My life is positive and I demand positivity, not negativity, which is why I don't socialize with stereotypical gays. They're toxic and demand on putting down others. I know why; so do you, If you have half the brain you claim. Don't fuck with me; this isn't my 1st time to the rodeo. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones; never criticize your neighbor until your own house is in order.

Here's a free FYI: An acquaintance has a successful career in a high profile area. His income in the 2nd highest tax bracket. That career permits loitering on a computer or other device and basically not do much except comment freely on social media. I do that occasionally to blow off steam, but I don't earn as much as he.

None of that is any of your fucking business, capiche? You're projecting because you're envious and bitter that you don't that career and income or an IQ in the 91st percentile. Now go straight to Hades.

Shorter you: "Blah blah blah TERFS r bad, look over here! Five more paragraphs of paid b.s."

Gay men are gay because they love men

Dykes are dykes because they hate men

R520 yes, so you keep saying. That doesn't make it true.

I notice you are prone to invoke mantras. You're probably just itching to type "trans women are women hurf durf hurrrr" but because you're pretending to be a Concerned Citizen, you fall back to The Agenda.

Is it comfortable in your misinformation office, or do you get paid to post from home?

New salvo.

+ backed by state power on a global basis

Deliza Deboosted Doolittle @DelizaDoolittle · 11h If you have to bully people into accepting your ideology, and threaten them with baseball bats so as to compel them to use your pronouns of choice, is it ‘acceptance’ you’re really after? Because it looks a lot like tyranny from where I’m sitting.

R522 I think that is a parody account but I'm sure that's how some of them think.

Then as far as I’m concerned, they have justified gays and feminists bashing back and bashing HARD!

R15: Genetic? No, in your case "gender" is an excuse.

What is totally unscientific and departed from reality is the TERF line that *all* gender is a social construct.

Being male or female doesn't leave someone more inclined to certain genetic traits regardless of societal norms?

That's very hard to believe. And a big push for anyone normal (non rad fem; transkeptic) person.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

No one cares what Rose thinks.

This person posted a response to JK's initial post, complete with a GIF of a nice house with a picket fence. I do not understand this thought process at all. It makes no sense considering what she said.

Many of the comments I have seen from trans activists/hangers-on are all hyperbole, e.g. "JK HATES trans!!" and shit like this that just makes up something based on - to be generous - a willful misreading of what her tweet said.

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling · Dec 19 Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill Preston Grey / Pup Dodger 🏳️‍🌈 ♻️ 🌎 @Pr*stonGreyXXX · 1h So you're saying as long as you dont have to interact with anybody transgender you're fine with it. Well aren't you living the white picket fence lifestyle. So comfortable living in a bubble, you can't see the trouble. #JKRowling #TransIsBeautiful #translivesmatter #LGBT #LGBTQ

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Sorry for the formatting, this is what the person said:

So you're saying as long as you dont have to interact with anybody transgender you're fine with it. Well aren't you living the white picket fence lifestyle. So comfortable living in a bubble, you can't see the trouble. #JKRowling #TransIsBeautiful #translivesmatter #LGBT #LGBTQ

TERFism is a white, wealthy, bourgeois British movement.

such a tired old trick: disagree even a teensy bit and you're slurred as anti-Semitic, islamophobic, TERF, whatever. #teamJK

R531 no one cares what mumsnet thinks, either. Are you trying to say they are TERFs? Lol.

R534 it's because they can't make an actual argument so they resort to logical fallacies. It's profoundly stupid but it works on the masses to bully them into silence because they know most people won't look into WHY they are claiming (perjorative) and assumptions are usually worse than reality.

Incidentally, merely for pointing out on Twitter that posting a link to a Slate article from a PhD Anthro student claiming that "biology does not exist" does not make it actual peer-reviewed SCIENCE, some idiot on Twitter added me to list called "Neo-Nazis". I checked the list and it's full of Tories and Brexiters.

Of course I blocked her and reported the list as harassment, but that is apparently how they think.

These people are profoundly ignorant and presumptive. Or paid shills, like our Dissent Troll above who has switched tracks to posting links of accusations of gay men's alleged misogyny.

ripx4nutmeg @ripx4nutmeg · 10h Gregor Murray, the councillor Maya Forstater 'misgendered' when they were about to be kicked out of the SNP for abusing several women online, has released a game changing picture to prove they are not male

Yeah, R524, but it gives them ideas

Yeah, R524, but it gives them ideas

Help! I’m being bullied into silence on this nearly full thread, for agreeing a wealthy billionaire and every major UK media outlet!

Don’t you boys know that disagreeing with a woman is bullying?

R474 you think people should be imprisoned for calling you a faggot but you use dyke with impunity.

Fuck off.

You would think gay men and lesbians would be more inclined to get along. Both of us are the ones who have the most to lose if this goes unchallenged.

R542, gay men and lesbians do get along. Those who are trying to claim we don't are the trannies/"gender identity" advocates.

They're perfectly sane!

Stop trying to divide the LGBT that the trans created r544 !

R543 Of course we do. I've never had any problems with lesbians. However, I know many gay men are misogynists. That shouldn't be considered a blanket statement.

R545 That's the enemy's strategy; divide and conquer. Is that Fascist scumbag who attacked me on the Coulier thread lurking here? I won't tolerate being attacked and being expected to "take it" then vilified when I finally defend myself like a man.

Yes, R544, but the strange thing is, I just searched Twitter and I cannot find ONE instance of Gervais, Linehan, or Walliams being threatened with oral rape. Very odd, indeed; almost like whether one has a penis or a vagina matters in such disputes!

Lesbians identify with feminism over gay rights.

Lesbians always side with straight women over gay men.

Curious, indeed, R547.

Curious, indeed, R547.

That’s my freezepeach, R541.

Oh, wait you only care when freezepeach when you can use it to attack transwomen.

You dykes need a womanly dick in you.

There's no such thing as a womanly dick r551.

Now go dilate your wound.

I don't get how much of it is autogynephilia and how much of it are folks who feel that they are so fem as biological males that they might as well live as women?

I’m an ardent freezepeach defender.

By freezepeach I mean I get to use the word faggot as much as I want but if someone says dyke they have to be greyed out.

Lumping gays in with a bunch of self loathing self-mutilators is a form of divide and conquer. Using that goddamn acronym instead of just saying gay is a form of divide and conquer.

Lumping gays in with a bunch of self loathing self-mutilators is a form of divide and conquer. Using that goddamn acronym instead of just saying gay is a form of divide and conquer.

Yes, but gay men should be weary about jumping into bed with rad fems too.

I am a gay man.

I identify with Gay men. I want nothing to do with dykes, feminists, alphabet soup, or queer.

Oh so now one must be "radical" "feminist" to acknowledge the scientific facts of reproductive biology? Someone involved in the funding of this violently misogynist gay eradication program needs to fucking whistleblow.

I think that, much like the online "trump supporters", which are 90% trolls & bots, a large majority of the pro-trans swarm is illusory and entirely fictive. Every time the subject of trans comes up in conversation with a friend and I share my thoughts, they're first thrown by the statistical facts that directly contradict the trans press release narrative and appalled by the ongoing acts of violence against and oppression of women that the movement encourages, condones and incites and, then, they admit they find the whole thing fucked up but feel like they can't say anything. My takeaway from those conversations has been that the vast majority of people are completely cool with and appreciative of exactly where the gay rights movement had led and was continuing to lead society in alternatives to stereotypical gender presentation/identity. The extremely well funded trans movement has nearly undone all of that work and social progress.

[quote]Oh so now one must be "radical" "feminist" to acknowledge the scientific facts of reproductive biology?

No, cunt, we disagree with your 'facts'.

Gender is not purely a social construct.

And we don't like how some transkeptic gay men are cosying up to homophobic rad fems.

As a gay man, I don't find Caitlyn Jenner threatening.

She's obviously not a gay men being 'fixed' by homophobic parents.

So why should I care if she wants to go into a women's locker room?

R264 that argument is false. What happens in other countries is absolutely none of your business.

Fish trying to police gay men's speech again ^

R563 In fact what happens to anyone else outside of your radius is absolutely none of your business. No one gives a fuck what you think. Nor should they.

What happens to gay people in other countries is very much our business and very much justifies intervention.

"This isn't funny.

I don't need to be clicking onto these threads, but must. I live in a small Maine town where I run an independent womyn's hardware store. Business is tough enough without the hatred I receive daily. Just the other day my store was damaged in a Kristallnacht organized and perpetrated by the town's large and hateful majority: Menindressesgendered and those hedonistic, humorless gay men.

I could move, I suppose. But I feel duty-bound to remain as a matyr (albeit one with a great sense of humor and laisser vivre). I will not be erased at a time when gay womyn are having the ends of pencils being rubbed against their bodies. However, I never lose sight of the fact that all-privileged class (gay men) are the enemy. It's those vapid, sex-crazed, M-A-L-E, Garland and Streisand loving queens (and any other stereotypes I can think of) that force me to post here; just as they force me to wear a plaid triangle with a large 'k.d.' stamped in around town.

Sometimes I wish AIDS would become drug resistant.

R565 That is fucking wrong. Only GOD has that right. By man's laws and by nature's will, anything outside of your 3 foot radius is absolutely none of your fucking business.

R566 Mary! If you are a martyrish dyke in Maine, I am a masculine ballsy Queen of England.

IndieWire just yanked their 'article' slamming Gervais as 'transphobic'. All of the comments were pro-women.

R565, wrong! Countries that protect gay rights have earned the right to tell the rest of the world what to do.

[quote] Countries that protect gay rights have earned the right to tell the rest of the world what to do.

Yes. We have a duty to look out for our gay brothers all over the world.

They must have re-posted it, R569. I just googled it and clicked onto it. Only three comments now.

r572, it looks like they changed the title, for some reason.

Gay men stepping up and speaking out, pretty cool. Lend support to him on social media and support his work if you can.

This whole shitshow illuminates the ludicrousness/absurdity of the so-called LGBT community. None of those letters belong together or form any type of real life brotherhood. Especially the Ts and Bs. The Ls and Gs certainly don't care for the other two. G & L liberation is useless/redundant now and is mostly a corporate tool/invention.

Damn.

Ricky Gervais ✔ @rickygervais They don't want to argue. They can't afford to have their propositions questioned. They want to create a dogma with its own blasphemy laws and the "fatwah" of labelling people bigots to shut them down, ostracise them and even have them fired.

3,770 11:35 AM - Dec 20, 2019

It really does smack of what was done to Salman Rushdie but everyone looks away when it is done to women, particularly lesbians.

Ricky has no fucks left to give. He was once asked what it felt like when the US version of THE OFFICE became more successful than the UK version, and he said, "It feels like being really, really rich."

I love Ricky. Very charming, talented, smart, and funny.

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R579 ANY article that exposes the absurdity and non-existence of LGBT is much needed by a brainwashed public.

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This is nothing to do with rights.

The scary thing about the Ts are that most of these men look absolutely nothing like a female. They have no femininity whatsoever. Like Bruce Jenner. It is laughable that these men call themselves women when they are the furthest thing from being an actual female. The billionaires who are pushing this sick agenda need to be exposed. They need to be outlawed.

Like this super p edo phile.

Oh, Rachel... Please, please never stop tweeting. Never, never, never!

I like JK

A researcher who lost her job after arguing that transgender people cannot change their biological sex said that she had suffered vitriolic abuse while celebrities argued about her case.

Maya Forstater, a tax expert, thanked the author JK Rowling for her support yesterday after she lost an employment tribunal claim that she had been discriminated against because of her views.

An employment judge dismissed Ms Forstater’s case on Wednesday, ruling that her views on transgender women were “absolutist” and did not constitute a protected belief under equality law.

Martina Navratilova, the former tennis champion, supported Ms Forstater on Twitter, writing: “This kind of a situation will become more common and that’s not OK. We must do a better job protecting women.” Sharron Davies, the former Olympic Swimmer, wrote: “Whereas gender today is a social construct, an ideology, a feeling, totally changeable. I believe we cannot change sex but can live happily expressing ourselves outside of any stereotypes.”

Patricia Arquette, the American actress whose late sister was transsexual, wrote that she did not “stand with Maya for many reasons”. “I am not afraid of being raped by a trans woman in fact I’m afraid for trans women as they have the highest likelihood of being raped in any group,” she said.

Mark Hamill, the Star Wars actor, initially “liked” Rowling’s tweet but later apologised, saying: “I didn’t realise it had any transphobic connotation.”

Ms Forstater said reaction to the judgment “has been astonishing [and] demonstrated how important this issue is”.

“Of course there has also been vitriolic personal abuse,” she said. “This has become the norm for women who wish to express their belief on this subject. We will not be bullied into silence. The fundamental question at the root of my case, whether women’s rights as a sex can be protected, is one that is important enough to require us to talk freely.

“Restricting people’s ability to talk about the law, and about proposed changes to the law using ordinary, everyday language which reflects material reality is unprecedented and fundamentally damaging to a free society.”

Ms Forstater, 46, said her contract with the Centre for Global Development think tank had not been renewed after some colleagues complained about comments she made on social media. She said a review organised by the think tank had found that she had used “exclusionary language” and “used fear-mongering against a marginalised community” without being given a chance to defend herself.

Judge James Tayler ruled at the Central London employment tribunal that Ms Forstater “will not accept in any circumstances that a trans woman is in reality a woman” which she believed was important to “support her sense of self, feminism and political activism”.

Peter Daly, of Slater and Gordon, her solicitor, said: “This case must go through the litigation process in which evidence is tested according to the relevant legal principles. The judgement has not applied those principles correctly."

Threateing to rape someone to death? What an indication of a laydee brain!

Freezepeach lovers got R551 deleted.

So funny.

I thought words didn’t hurt?

Wait, R583 — are defining womanhood by being ladylike?

Don’t you know that a woman is no more likely to be ladylike than a man. That’s a social construct.

I thought all there was to being a woman was chromosomes.

Here’s a question: if she should be allowed to continually misgender a co-worker on the grounds of freezepeach, should someone I work with be allowed to address me as a f*g every time they encounter me?

After all it’s true.

And that’s the precedent you fish wanted set.

They got R566 deleted too.

This thread is wonderful. Someone needs to start part 2 so we can continue the discussion.

R558 best comment ever! I love you n totally wanna lick your asshole clean babe.

R558 best comment ever! I love you n totally wanna lick your asshole clean babe.

Shall start part 2 but am shit at linking threads

I have only read about 50 of the latter comments on here but this shows what Smart. Intelligent. Reasoned. DLers really are. Truly best thread ever.

someone link this fucking thread already

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