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A Law Should be Passed that Disallows an Impeached President from Running for a Second Term

It's for the best.

by Anonymousreply 26December 19, 2019 5:58 AM

How about we make some real changes and get rid of the electoral college crap system that it is?

by Anonymousreply 1December 18, 2019 7:41 PM

That too!

by Anonymousreply 2December 18, 2019 7:43 PM

After that, we can rename ourselves the Soviet Union after we shred the Constitution!

by Anonymousreply 3December 18, 2019 7:44 PM

R3 yes. If you want your guy elected you have to appeal to the whole country not just the East and west coast. Dems make huge judgment errors by ignoring fly over states as they call them. Trump election proved those states should be listened to. Can’t change the constitution because the person you wanted didn’t win. It’s that attitude that is destroying this country. As every child knows: you can’t always get your way. So you have to go along until your next chance.

by Anonymousreply 4December 18, 2019 7:48 PM

"A law must be passed"? Are you even American or are you just that dumb in civics?

by Anonymousreply 5December 18, 2019 7:49 PM

It's time for the 25th Amendment for Tweety.

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by Anonymousreply 6December 18, 2019 7:51 PM

[QUOTE]A Law Should be Passed

Ha ha ha ha ha --- Never!!!!

by Anonymousreply 7December 18, 2019 8:24 PM

What R1 said. We’ve had 3 impeachments in two and a half centuries. A law like this would have almost no effect on anything. It certainly wouldn’t address the problems that brought us Trump in the first place.

Get money out of politics; eneact campaign finance reform that would allow working class people to run for office and not have to quit their jobs to raise money. Ban large donations over a certain amount. Ban super PACs and overturn Citizens United.

Scrap the electoral college. Replace the (controversial and unpopular) Columbus Day holiday with an Election Day one that gives everyone off work and moves Election Day to a Monday; enact a 3-day voting period and Election “Day” is now officially a 3-day weekend giving voters 72 hours to vote. Enact month-long early voting at select super-polls located in county courthouses and the like; enable universal absentee ballots on demand so that any voter registered anywhere can walk into any polling place in the U.S. and fill out an absentee ballot for the jurisdiction where they are registered.

Do all of these things AND either rework the Senate to proportional representation so that Californians and Iowans have the same level of representation in the Senate, *OR* just scrap the Senate entirely and make the House the sole unicameral national legislature, and **maybe** we’ll be a few steps closer to resembling an actual democracy. But silly little band-aid actions like OP’s very specific, Trump-in-2019 measure, will not.

by Anonymousreply 8December 18, 2019 8:37 PM

What R1 said. We’ve had 3 impeachments in two and a half centuries. A law like this would have almost no effect on anything. It certainly wouldn’t address the problems that brought us Trump in the first place.

Get money out of politics; eneact campaign finance reform that would allow working class people to run for office and not have to quit their jobs to raise money. Ban large donations over a certain amount. Ban super PACs and overturn Citizens United.

Scrap the electoral college. Replace the (controversial and unpopular) Columbus Day holiday with an Election Day one that gives everyone off work and moves Election Day to a Monday; enact a 3-day voting period and Election “Day” is now officially a 3-day weekend giving voters 72 hours to vote. Enact month-long early voting at select super-polls located in county courthouses and the like; enable universal absentee ballots on demand so that any voter registered anywhere can walk into any polling place in the U.S. and fill out an absentee ballot for the jurisdiction where they are registered.

Do all of these things AND either rework the Senate to proportional representation so that Californians and Iowans have the same level of representation in the Senate, *OR* just scrap the Senate entirely and make the House the sole unicameral national legislature, and **maybe** we’ll be a few steps closer to resembling an actual democracy. But silly little band-aid actions like OP’s very specific, Trump-in-2019 measure, will not.

by Anonymousreply 9December 18, 2019 8:37 PM

If the American people are stupid enough to elect him again, they deserve what they get.

by Anonymousreply 10December 18, 2019 8:49 PM

If you want to scrap the electoral college you scrap the constitution. You don’t get to pick and choose what you like. It was the intent of the framers to make sure all parts of the country had a voice. The solution is to consider the interests of everybody -not just coastal elites -when sending your message. So you have to be moderate. Not extremists. Just look at the current crop of candidates. The moderates are in the lead. Party should take note of that. The citizens don’t want extremist leaders.

by Anonymousreply 11December 18, 2019 8:56 PM

You should read up on how the electoral college really works. Next time a dem wins you’ll be really happy to keep it.

by Anonymousreply 12December 18, 2019 8:59 PM

R8, R9. We are not and were never intended to be a democracy. The constitution was not written that way. So if you want this you’re in the wrong country. These calls to reform the government seem like disguised attempts to make it so only one party has power.

by Anonymousreply 13December 18, 2019 8:59 PM

Umm, the Trump impeachment resolution bans him from ever holding federal public office again. That’d do it.

[quote] Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Article I, Section 3, Clause 7

by Anonymousreply 14December 18, 2019 9:05 PM

[quote]If the American people are stupid enough to elect him again, they deserve what they get.

It doesn't matter how many Americans vote for a candidate if they're not in the right areas.

That is the problem.

by Anonymousreply 15December 18, 2019 9:05 PM

R15. No it’s up to the candidate to appeal to all sectors of the country. The Midwest has different concerns than New York. The candidate has to consider all of them. Btw if you look at the mess that is NYC and all of California you will see that bowing to elitist interests in a big power grab is destructive. The tyranny of the majority will not succeed.

by Anonymousreply 16December 18, 2019 9:27 PM

If this were the case, then every President who dealt with an opposing Congress would be impeached. If a law like this would be in place, Obama would have never seen a second term.

Impeachment should not be taken lightly. Unfortunately, the Democrats royally fucked themselves. Currently, they can vote for impeachment in the House, but it will never make it through the Senate. And Trump will come out even stronger having "beaten impeachment." Nancy Pelosi should have been kicked out on her botoxed ass for allowing this to go this far.

by Anonymousreply 17December 18, 2019 9:37 PM

R11, read up on the origins of the Senate’s electoral process, if you are unaware, then get back to us.

It’s the same deal. Allowing a group of people, electors (POTUS) or the state Legislature (Previously for Senators) reduces the power of the people. Add in the fact that the founders failed to include automatic increases or decreases in the size of the House, to account for population changes, really hurts the Electoral System. If the House continues to grow, those empty states would become less and less relevant. We haven’t increased the size of the House was 1911. Think about that.

For those that don’t know, electors are made up of the number of House Members, plus two for the Senators. We can either get rid of the EC or increase the size of the House, as the founders intended.

Op, your plan will just cause politicians to impeach every president. It would severely harm the institution and turn every popular president into a one-term lame duck after the mid-terms.

by Anonymousreply 18December 18, 2019 9:38 PM

Do away with the Electoral College and use the infrastructure set up by Simon Cowell for American Idol for elections.

by Anonymousreply 19December 18, 2019 9:40 PM

R5 I'm sorry. I meant the ratification of the 25th Ammendment. Not everyone is 100% sharp when they're half asleep, you old slapper.

by Anonymousreply 20December 18, 2019 9:58 PM

[quote]It was the intent of the framers to make sure all parts of the country had a voice.

At the time of the constitution "all parts of the country" was the east coast, the entire population was 4 million, and slavery was legal. If it was the intent of the framers that a vote in Wyoming be worth almost four times that of one in California, that is something that should be amended. Which has happened and will happen again. The constitution is not infinitely malleable but it was designed to be a living document.

by Anonymousreply 21December 18, 2019 10:36 PM

And lose Pardon power.

by Anonymousreply 22December 18, 2019 10:38 PM

And we already have a body that grants disproportionate power to low-population states: the Senate. We don't need two.

by Anonymousreply 23December 18, 2019 10:39 PM

[quote]If you want to scrap the electoral college you scrap the constitution.

No, you amend it.

[quote]You don’t get to pick and choose what you like.

You do if you pass a constitutional amendment.

[quote]It was the intent of the framers to make sure all parts of the country had a voice.

It was the intent of the framers to protect the institution of slavery. It's been nearly 2 and a half centuries since then, so maybe an update is actually long overdue. There is absolutely no good reason why every person in every state can't have the exact same voting power. It is inherently unfair to argue for anything else.

by Anonymousreply 24December 18, 2019 11:50 PM

[quote]Dems make huge judgment errors by ignoring fly over states as they call them.

Of course none of that is true, your opinions are actually not facts, but thanks for parroting one of the dumbest memes!

by Anonymousreply 25December 19, 2019 12:30 AM

Did no one see r14? The impeachment clause gives the Senate the power to not only remove the President and other federal officials from office but also to deprive them from holding any future federal office. Technically you can't bar a person from running from an elected office but even if they won, the electoral college would not formally elect him knowing that the Supreme Court would quickly strike down any such vote. Of course, the Senate Republicans have made their deal with the devil to protect this asshole so all efforts must be made to make him a one term president. No more lefty sabotage this time - even if we have to hold our nose and vote for Biden, so be it...

by Anonymousreply 26December 19, 2019 5:58 AM
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