It is a given that lesbians hate men, we all know that, question is WHY

Lesbians are jealous of men.

I'm only repulsed by straight men that are like Donald Trump. I love and adore my gay brothers and my straight manly men- good men that respect themselves and all women.

A psychotic delusional DLer talks about how much she hates D Trump for the ten millionth time? Shocking. Nobody believes that lesbians love gay men, we certainly have no use for lesbians.

You're lost, r3. People are only for use?!

As far as I'm aware, it's not hate, it's an issue of safety. As with most things men say about women, it's projection and an attempt to gaslight women into thinking about why they 'hate' men.

Look at the societies we have built, you won't have to look very far for men's hatred of women.

Oh please. No one "hates" you. We just don't worship you and call you out on your shit, unlike straight women who are basically your pets. And straight men, who are grossed out by you.

Please bitch, lots of gays are also jealous of women and hate them. Just take a look at the Jessica Biel-Justin Timberlake thread.

Well this thread went well.

Well, OP, you include in your post that you want to "hear it from the whore's mouth", so maybe it's just that they hate you and not all gay men.

If all lesbians hate men, does it follow that all gays hate women? What a load of twaddle.

Three answers with 24.4%. Hilarious.

Lesbians are a weird bunch. Not necessarily man haters. No more than other human females anyway. Women generally hate m'en, even though they would rather die than admit it.

Also, for the same reason gay men hate women. Because they've been abused by them since birth , that is, if they could escape legalized fœtus murder. That's life OP

As a gay man, I've found that butch women actually prefer to hang out with men than lipstick lesbians. I've had my share of Patsy Kelly and Nancy Kulp types who are naturally funny, enjoy boozin' it up with the boys, love to be camp and can quote Bette Davis with the best of us. Lots of the classic theatrical lesbians of the golden age were always surrounded by a court of gay men. It's the namby pamby types (lipstick lesbians) who get bent out of shape over every little thing from my experience. The butcher they are, the better they are!

F&F this stupid troll thread.

I hate lesbians. Never could stand them.

R13 great point. Real butch lesbians are basically men. One bull dyke is equivalent to a thousand nelly gay men. In terms of masculine thrust.

R14 get off the site u homophobe. We don't need your toxic masculinity.

Yeah

A lesbian friend of mine punched another lesbian who was mean to me. None of my male friends ever defended me, a white gay guy, against straight or gay bullies (not that they had to or should, but it was nice to know that someone had my back). Still close friends with that particular lesbian. So I don't know where OP is coming from.

Because men are giant babies that interpret not being worshiped and served by women as hatred. "How dare this woman not hang on my every word, laugh at every wondrously amusing thing I say, and look at me as if I'm a god!"

R19 gets beaten by everyone, even babies, in her sad psychotic world. Sure, Jan.

In that case R15, you are either too young or had the great good fortune not to have known any victims through the 80s and early 90s when our lesbian sisters truly put in the work when gay men were blindsided with GRID-AIDS-ARC. No one would touch people with AIDS--or were even suspected of having the "gay plague." Even scores of doctors would treat them.

What lesbians did for gay men and their partners, when even the goddamned President of the United States AND his First Lady, both of whom had tons of gay male friends from their Hollywood years, pointedly refused to even mouth in public the word AIDS.

OP, do better.

R22 retarded argument. Ine event that happened 50 years ago does not make your bogus theory universal.

R23 One event...

r21, just sharing my personal experience, douchebag.

R25 keep your bullshit theories to yourself.

IDK, OP. I have definitely met some insular lesbians who seem to be ladies only. On the other hand, after a rough time, it was lesbian clients that gave me a huge opportunity to put my career back on track, my best boss ever was a lesbian, and once as a twink this homeless guy chased me into a Starbucks where a lesbian barista literally threw behind the counter ready to take this guy on. There are issues on both sides obviously, but I really wish gays & lesbians would put together a more united front. At least in the US right now, it seems everyone hates everyone.

I only dislike men sexually because I've done it a few times with them in my twenties. I guess even gay men think women are obsessed with the penis as they are.

The real question is WHY does this subject come up five times a year.

R29, ever notice that it's never an "I'm a Lesbian and I Hate Men" thread but always a gay guy mansplaining to lesbians how much they hate men and then attacking them for his own made up bullshit?

R30 lol. Make that cuntsplaining in your case, Cuntissa Etheridge.

R31, your post doesn't even make sense.

R32 your estrogen has rendered you a babbling moron. Not surprised.

Maybe they hate you for stupid posts like this one, OP.

Can you blame them? Why would you need to ask why?

Men have been at the forefront of almost all tragedy, war, greed, and disease. They are an entitled and gross species, and nature is slowly correcting that by giving women more power, which is long overdue.

R35 Bogus argument. Who created, supported, and enabled all those horrible men in their tyranny and crimes? Females. Men don't exist in a vacuum. Something created them.

[quote] Who created, supported, and enabled all those horrible men in their tyranny and crimes?

Other men.

R37 Lol. Just because all the "men" of DL are cunts doesn't mean they have the biological cunt to create men.

r38, sorry but I believe it takes two people to create a child. A man and a woman. And beta males stand in the corner of tyrannical straight men all the time and proudly fight in their wars. So, yes my statement that other men support and enable tyrants is true.

Women are responsible for 95% of what men become. Historically speaking they birth them, if they allow men to create monsters due to feminine weakness or inability to protect their boys from the tyranny of men - they are still responsible for allowing these monsters to be created.

Keep telling yourself that, r40. Whether you accept personal responsibility for your actions doesn't change the fact that as an adult, you are responsible for yourself. Go ahead and blame other people and see how it gets you nowhere.

I have not run into lesbians who hate gay men.

I have run into lesbians who hate nasty cunty queens who talk shit about lesbians, make fun of them and act superior to them. There are a LOT of lesbians who hate queens. Gay men they have no problem with.

r40 I came from a home where my mother was a sweet supportive mother and my father was a lying domineering asshole who blamed her for everything. The system is rigged in such a way that women are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Also, since we make the rules we can also change them as it suits us, and we do, all the time. The main rules stay the same, but not all, and it's difficult to win the game when the rules keep changing.

My middle brother and I are more like our mother. We both have plenty of traits like my father but my mothers gentler spirit tempers it and it only comes out when we get angry or someone fucks with us.

My oldest and youngest brother are like my father on the outside but like my mother on the inside. I see the conflict in them and I wouldn't trade places with them for any amount of money.

R42 then you have never met a real lesbian in your entire life. I was just reading on another thread about TERFs. A term I have never heard before. Someone was saying that lesbians should never identify with gay men since gay men are mostly about hedonism and fucking. I can see that. Lesbians are better off fighting for themselves and their independence and liberation. They have no need for men, gay or otherwise. Just like how gay men have no need for women - gay or otherwise. The opposite sex is always just an invited guest in our lives for gay men or lesbians.

r44 didn't know you were the arbiter for who is real lesbian is and who isn't.

By all means please post some of the indicators you use so that in the future I'll know when I'm in the presence of a REAL one.

R45 it's easy. If they hate men, they are lesbians.

Go back to being straight man's pet, r46. The best thing gay men are good at.

Won't do my hair.

"feminine weakness"

Thanks for the laugh!

Too many lesbians are stuck in a seventies men are bad women are good mindset, and so when they have problems they refuse to recognise them.

And so the more problems they have the greater the intensity of hate required to stop analysis.

And the more homophobia can be indulged in on the grounds that only womyn are oppressed.

Lesbians love worshiping straight women, and then end up traumatized they don't reciprocate.

I used to belong to a LGBTQ organization that was over 99% male. The two or three lesbians there (old boomers) hated the male dominance but also hated the male comradary. Although efforts were made to include them they felt they were never entirely part of the group. This is probably right as the easy going friendship and perhaps sexual energy among the men never extended to them. They were jealous essentially. So they proceeded to get into positions of power, personally attack many men, driving them out and reducing the membership. They worked to change many things about the group. Recently I heard the big lesbian (big in every way) argue the group should stop being LGBTQ focused and become "inclusive of all progressives." This would basically destroy the group but she probably thinks if it becomes that she'd have a chance of fitting in with the women who are supposed to show up. But there are already plenty of progressive groups out there for straights. They aren't going to come over to this one. Basically she and the other few lesbians are killing the organization cause they don't feel completely welcome. Again it's jealousy in this case, and resentment.

R52, it's pretty hilarious that you don't understand that your first sentence defines the entire problem.

R51, in case you haven't noticed, it's gay men who make straight women their icons and surround themselves with straight, fawning faghags.

R50, even though I'm laughing at the logical pretzel you had to work through to blame homophobia on women, let's pretend that any of your post can be taken seriously for a second...the men women do hate are those who were those men of the Seventies. Old straight white males are the bane of women's and gays' existence so, as lesbians, we get double the shit from their assholery.

r50, virtually everything you said could apply to gay men. The number of idiotic gay men who think the lives of amazing straight men are ruined by women is hilarious. Maybe they should stop "indulging in so much hate" and look at reality.

OP is a troll. Block, Ignore and Move On.

R55 is the biggest cunt on the planet. Keep cunting, cunt.

R54, the group made an effort to attract lesbians but they weren't interested as a rule. Why is that a problem? Groups are what they are. This group is mostly gay male. Is that "the problem"? Would you rather it didn't exist rather than not include more lesbians? Would you actively drive people away? You're an ideologue and a bore.

That was addressed to R53. Not R54.

My wife and I do not hate men. We both loved our fathers and get along well with our brothers. When I think about it, the majority of our friends are straight women, next are lesbians, next are straight men. We have no gay male friends. Mostly we just don't know many gay men. I did work with a gay guy who I wanted as a friend, but he turned out to be the biggest backstabbing prick I've ever met. I feel sorry for his future circle of friends because I have no doubt he will turn them all against each other.

R57, your little emotional screed aside, the problem is that you expected lesbians to feel welcome and at home in a group that, in your own words, was more than 99% male and then you proceeded to turn that into an attack on all lesbians. Good thing there weren't only a couple of black people who didn't feel comfortable in some all white group you belonged to because then you'd have to become a racist to go along with your sexism.

Not all lesbians, R60, just those. My point was such dynamics and behavior may be manifest in other groups as well. Again, attempts were made to attract lesbians and they failed. Now you accuse someone of being a racist with no evidence. I bet you're a delight to be around as well.

R61, your reading comprehension needs a lot of work or do you just like pretending to be the victim. Didn't call you a racist but I imagine your little group was also more than 99% white. Now, ask yourself, would you have been as critical of some black guys who were unreachable due to their rarity in your precious group that, of course, tried oh so hard to make them feel welcome? Doubt it. Your original screed stands on its own judgmental, paternalistic, sexist, lesbophobic feet.

Gay white men and gay non-white men usually get along just fine — so long as they actually are Gay Men — because they share mutual interests and goals.

Not so with Gay Men and lesbians — the former like the latter; but the latter hate the former because they’re still men.

R63, you can't be ignorant enough to look around this world and conclude that women hate men more than men hate women, gay or straight. Or, maybe you can be that ignorant.

Gay men are gay because they love men.

Lesbians are lesbians because they hate men.

The patriarchy doesn't exist in the west

This thread is a flop.

It's difficult for gay men (a dissident, unrecognized subset of men) to discuss WHY lesbians (a mainline subset of women) hate them on a board in which women are a majority.

If a Womyn'sLand thought they could get away with shooting dead a gay men who accidentally entered their land and getting away with it (which they would in some more homophobic US states) they would gleefully start firing.

R63 What a load of crap. I have several latino friends who live in Seattle and they have always told me how extremely racist the white guys are there. If you are not white the whites will not even talk to you. I am sure huge chunks of Amerikkkan white areas are like this now and ALWAYS have been that way. Seattle is a shithole. I have been there several times and I hated everything. Nothing to see or do. The bars sucked. SHITHOLE!

R65, Dad, I told you not to come here. Your 50 year old ideas are wacko in today's world.

It's time to relegate old ideas to the past.

Like rad fem'nism.

I think lesbians hate men the same way real women hate the the pedophiles known as trans men.

A lot of lesbians say they CHOOSE to be lesbians, and imply it was because they hate men.

R73, you are so fucking stupid.

It's lesbians themselves who often say they choose it. Cynthia Nixon did too. And there is the phenomenon of late-in-life lesbians that doesn't exist in gay men.

Again, R75, stupid. It's not them choosing to be lesbians later in life. It's the fact that they finally come into who they really are after having caved to society's expectations for their entire lives, especially if there are kids involved. The late-in-life lesbian thing will be disappearing after this generation because younger women don't feel that pressure as much anymore and no longer have to get married to a man to have kids if they want them.

And, gay men married to women just don't bother to come out because they've been fucking men on the downlow anyway while also getting to have the kids and family man personae that society rewards and getting a straight woman to be their life servant. Best of all worlds for them.

There's a difference: Gay men who entered into those relationships did so under homophobic pressure. They knew they were a charade at the time.

Lesbians often admit to having genuinely thought the relationships serious when they began them.

Like Meredith Baxter Birney.

A lot of lesbians subscribe to woman-separatist beliefs.

I don't think any gay men do.

Is there a single Man's Land anywhere?

[quote] There's a difference: Gay men who entered into those relationships did so under homophobic pressure. They knew they were a charade at the time.

That's even worse. Deceiving a woman into thinking you're attracted to her and love her and possibly wrecking your kids' lives just because you're afraid of what strangers think of you? That's pathetic.

[quote] Is there a single Man's Land anywhere?

Yeah, it's called earth, asshole.

There are plenty of gay separatists here on the board r78, you can't have missed them. Constant whining about how women should be banned and they shouldn't have to even work with women let alone be related to them.

So, no... there are none.

There’s whining about everything. But there is no gay men’s separation movement that was ever prominent — like WL were in ‘70s

R79, your post is extremely homophobic.

You did not experience what gay men did in decades past.

The women's liberation movement was not a separatist movement. There has never been a prominent lesbian separatist movement in the country. Briefly there was a popular movement within the lesbian culture but that was over 45 years ago and has no bearing on today.

There's also queer nationalists and the Pink Panther movement, both gay separatist movements which included plenty of gay men.

But they weren't any more "prevalent" than the couple of lesbian separatist movements.

Women’s land can never be that successful given their scale.

There are more gay men than lesbians but there were what, at least hundred Womyn’s Lands.

Is R73/R75 a seventeen year old kid or a geriatric who just learned how to use a computer? Can't tell.

R84 that is not homophobic at all. Every generation laughs at the shit the previous generation went through. Gen Xers got ptsd in the 80s and 90s trying to avoid being infected by the aids.

And I laugh now at the Millennials and Gen Z who each have 50 different personality disorders/mental illnesses. They are a huge disaster of a generation. Total trainwreck. Hahahahaha.

Don't forget the allergies, R90!

[quote]Is there a single Man's Land anywhere?

This is like kids asking why there's a Mother's Day and Father's Day but no Kid's Day.

You could explain WHY there are no gay men going into the forest to live with just each other.

But the fact is there are none.

We actually don't know as much as we could or should about the biological origins of homosexuality (sometimes I think we don't want to because it would just lead to mass abortion of little boys who might be gay).

But it is possible that there are different origins for male and female homosexuality respectively.

There are lesbian/women's boards in which plenty of lesbians say they didn't know they were lesbian until 43. I knew at 13 and that amazes me. Someone should also analyze why so few lesbians actually have sex.

The gaymansplaining going on here about lesbians is fucking hilarious.

[quote]You could explain WHY there are no gay men going into the forest to live with just each other.

Because the gay men go to urban areas to live just with each other. See early San Francisco before the cost of living became unlivable and the hets invaded.

[quote]Someone should also analyze why so few lesbians actually have sex.

Ooh, another gem! If you want some actual facts, lesbians have more orgasms than straight women and their sex sessions last for a much longer length of time (because there's no man who lasts a few minutes and then calls it quits cuz, ya know, he's all done!). If there is any difference in the frequency, it's because there's no man there whining obsessively about not getting fucked enough. Straight women would be having way less sex if it was solely their choice as to when to have it because why bother when they only get to orgasm 63% of the time compared to 80% for lesbians. (Maybe this explains the 'late in life' lesbians...they finally want some orgasms for themselves.)

Palm Springs and Fire Island are not separatism though.

Lesbians didn't decide to live in neighbourhoods in society, they decided to start their own.

....

Where is Kim with her worn out Subaru from the Lesbian Thanksgiving thread when you need her? She was cool w/ everyone except her gf who kept getting on her for drinking and would be a uniting force right now.

I agree with R94 Most men, including gay men have no idea or interest in knowing how the female plumbing works. Gay men are pickle-centric, obsessed with their own weewees so the idea of hetero men doing the treasure hunt to find the ladies G spot is ludicrous. Most lesbians are always in relationships or "movin on up, to a deluxe vagina in the sky". So of course they would be the only experts in getting themselves off. Sure you can buy a dildo in any size, shape or color but it is still not a human being so does not count. Not having a thrusting sword is unfathomable to gay men.

"I knew at 13"

That's OLD!

"Someone should also analyze why so few lesbians actually have sex."

Any one who says that is really nuts. Or is it a wish?

"Straight women would be having way less sex if it was solely their choice as to when to have it because why bother when they only get to orgasm 63% of the time"

Make that 30% of the time if that. I believe it's more like 10%.

A lot of women and lesbians particularly are just asexual.

It's one reason I find the whole trans outrage among cislesbians revealing. You never have sex with any partner, so what's the big deal about not having sex with a translesbian?

R100 STFU, asshole. Unless you have an actual vagina your opinion is moot. And no being a cunt doesn't count.

Is that a parody post, R102?

R102, it's the clitoris that produces orgasm. Those who believe the vagina does is not going to have one. I do not understand how this has any emotional value to a gay man. Or perhaps you're a straight man?

Lol @ some stupid gay man commenting about female sexuality. Maybe when you can talk about a pussy without pretending to be sick, we can take you seriously.

Lesbians, how often DO you have sex?

67 yo lesbian here; spent my 20s in SF. I spent a lot of time in the Castro around gay men when that area was practically a gay ghetto. Had no problems with the Castro Clones, or the drag queens. I stayed out of their bars, out of respect. When I met them in other situations, there wasn't much to discuss actually. What did we have in common other than our wardrobe choices, frankly?

I don't hate men as a group. I have more in common with straight men than I do with gay men. Straight men, because there is no sexual tension between us, make wonderful friends. The best, actually. Gay men, otoh, if they are middle of the road/not mincing prisspots are easy to get along with. The more cunty and qweeny a man is, the less I like him. Those types, and mean girl/ straight women can have each other, as they are the same.

R107 an actual lesbian replied. I can't believe it.

[quote] The more cunty and qweeny a man is, the less I like him

That's like 95% of gay men. It's just a matter of degree.

R109 95% of gay men are cunty and qweeny. Fuck you, more like 10%. I have known hundreds of gay men. Out of say 400. Probably 30 of them were flaming nelly faggots.

FWIW Butterworth farm was a gay man’s back to the land separatist-ish commune.

Is the OP a Russian troll? It certainly is getting the response it wanted.

To all the lesbians on the board, please ignore this stupid, nasty thread, it was probably started by a gay man with mommy issues or a tranny who's jealous of real vagina owners.

Most lesbians don't deny hating men. What they say is men SHOULD be hated.

That's something a lot of lesbians say too: "I like gay men so long as they don't behave like gay men."

Tell them you like lesbians so long as they were heel and a dress though and...

NEW: "We found that gay men are disliked more than lesbian women in every country we tested."

Oh, again...

R113 throw yourself into a woodchipper, dear.

R112 divide and conquer, fuck off. There is no such thing as LGBT in real life. It is a corporate invention by billionaire white men. ONLY Russian trolls call everone else Russian trolls. So get off the board fucker.

[quote] That's something a lot of lesbians say too: "I like gay men so long as they don't behave like gay men."

lol. As if lesbians give a flying fuck how gay men act. You know who does give a fuck, though? Other gay men. No one is more obsessed with how masculine or feminine a man is than other gay men.

R119 you said it, mister sister. Considering lesbians hate all men why would they care.

Because most lesbians are rad fems and their ideology holds that men are to blame for all their (and the world's) ills.

R113, R115, that's what 95% of the gay men at the Datalonge say.

R118, if you're not on medication now, go to the ER.

But, R122, gay men criticizing gay men is a little different than non-gay men who don't like 'queens'.

I don't think DL even doesn't like 'queens' it's just that some people have a hard time getting off to them.

Would any gay men be interested in living on a Man’s Land?