Prince Andrew's scandal seems to be growing.

Oh do shut up, you imbecilic dullard.

Oh, do hush, R1. OP has a very valid point whether you like it or not. This could very well be the straw that broke the camel's back.

I hadn't thought of it like that, but OP raises an interesting point about the strain this may be causing The Queen (and Prince Philip).

They're both elderly and this can't help.

Why is he being singled out?

Randy Andy will be exiled before the year’s out. I hear the age of consent is 11 in Nigeria - he’ll like it there. x

[quote]Why is he being singled out?

Because he chose to put himself front and centre with that idiotic interview. The story couldn't possibly have been revived more effectively by the most venal gutter journalist.

Aren't they all Illuminati lizard people or something?

I think they only die if their terrarium light bulb goes out and they freeze to death.

You can even cut of their tails and they grow a new one.

His goose is cooked. Good riddance Randy Andy. Now where is Ghislaine? She seems like she is actually evil incarnate. The sickest of them all.

Right, because the woman is the worst one in a group of pedophilic men.

Right, because a woman could never be a child molester, pimp, or murderer. Fucking idiot.

Jizz Lane appears to have clearly been a pimp and an enforcer. Fuck her. She is as bad as him or if not worse.

At age 93, death is potentially imminent every moment of every day for HM.

But even if coincidental because she IS, after all, 93, a sudden death any time on the next few months would certainly be bad optics for Andrew, were that possible given his current optics.

I can see the DM headlines now:

"Heartbroken Queen gives up ghost; Andrew in hiding!

"Mum couldn't face another year of shame!"

"Andrew sobs at Queen's bedside, 'Forgive me!!"

"Charles turns Andrew away from Queen's deathbed!"

"Camilla Stops Charles from Killing Andrew at Queen's Bedside"

"Camilla Stops Charles from Killing Andrew at Queen's Bedside"

Or, conversely:

"Charles Restores Dukedom fo Andrew for Services to New King"

Oh yay, another generic Andrew thread. Just what we needed.

Please.

Old Libby 'aint going anywhere.

Just today, she was scolding her daughter, for being a rude bitch.

This 'aint her first time at the rodeo. She'll get Andrew in line.

R14 - You're free to leave any time.

I love you, r12! I can see those Daily Mail headlines now! How about:

"Prince of WAILS! Duke of York Sobs as Family Closes Ranks Around HRH"

Growing? Hardly. The scandal is dying down. Andrew, dumb as a plank, risked everything for an insane interview that he never should have given--and over a scandal that has now passed two weeks after the interview. He blew it all away...for what? Never ever give an interview when you don't have to do so.

R17 - Thanks! I'm sure the real ones will dwarf our own literary efforts before we're much older.

He should just step down quietly. The Queen will leave him more than sufficient fuck-off money when she croaks.

Could we go back to the REAL stories please ?

"The scandal is dying down"

Why should pedophilia, human trafficking and lying just "die down"? He wanted young pussy and found someone who could provide it.

Isn't Meghan doing something OUTRAGEOUS and TACKY right now as we speak ?

He’s a hot mess!

R22 - Wearily, I will point out again that if Roberts is the woman in question, she was 17 and that is the age of sexual consent in New York. Paedophilia refers to being attracted to actual children, and I believe that means 12 years old or younger. He didn't traffic her, Epstein did, and it's fairly obvious she wasn't brought over from Eastern Europe of Afica, locked up in a room, fed drugs, gang-raped her, and then threatened to kill her if she didn't have sex with Andrew, which is what happens to most trafficked women.

The case is dying down because it's perfectly obvious that from a LEGAL standpoint, she has no proof of a felony committed by Prince Andrew, which is why the New York District Attorney's office hasn't requested a grand jury hearing preparatory to preparing a case against the Prince in New York State Criminal Court.

The public gets bored seeing the same shit over and over. They're already getting bored with Andrew.

Shit, we're already bored hearing about our fucking election.

The public is quite fickle. Epstein was the primary perp and he's dead, taking what he knew with him.

And what a surprise - he liked young pussy.

Unlike, say, the hormonal responses of just about every hetero male on the fucking planet. And further surprise: a big name and a big chequebook provide far greater access to same than most men enjoy.

Socialisatioyn and civilisation and their constraints are such a bore. How many men do you really think were NOT privately high-fiving Bill Clinton whilst publicly tsk-tsking?

35 years ago on national Johnny Carson was joking about Randy Andy being into nymphets and greedy parents throwing their young daughters at him. This means he was into VERY young girls for a long time and the Queen, Philip and Charles Prince of Wales knew and had no plans about doing anything about it. Giuffre was prostituted against her will. That is illegal. Every single thing Andrew said was a lie and everyone knows it. It is only a he said/she said situation because it hasn't been brought to trial. And it won't be. The royal family is too powerful. But make no mistake Queen Elizabeth has known what a nasty arrogant prick her son was from day one. The lady for all her regal bearing is a shark. As long as they marry her children can be as spoiled, cruel and arrogant as they want to be. These are not nice people. They are as shitty as the meanest Hollywood stars.

>>Giuffre was prostituted against her will

Who says? She does. But what prevented her from walking into the nearest police station or women's shelter in the US or UK? She was not held captive, she doesn't say her family was threatened. She keeps saying what revulsion and shame she felt. Sounds like another version of women who cry rape when they regret having consented to sex.

" Wearily, I will point out again that if Roberts is the woman in question, she was 17 and that is the age of sexual consent in New York."

Oh yeah, the infamous consent powers of a teenage sex slave.

You poor weary man.

“Lynch mob” is a bit hyperbolic. Although I’m sure people are glad to see him canceled. Life will go on.

R27 Bitch the best person to tell us what was or wasn't against their will is the person whose will is being discussed. Dumb ass.

Really, R30, you rude asshole.. I don't see a gun pointed to her head in the photo.

R28 - We're not talking morals here, we're talking caselaw, you stupid cunt.

The question is whether Roberts has a legal case against Andrew for statutory rape or paedophilia. The answer is NO because of the age of consent law.

I realise that you just want to keep venting instead of addressing the legal reality of Roberts' case against Prince Andrew, but the appropriate object of your spleen is the New York State Legislature.

In the meantime, no one on this thread, including yours truly, has defended Andrew's behaviour in any way, shape, or form.

But he won't spend a moment in a cell, and the reason, ipso facto, is 1) that dastardly age of consent law, and 2) lack of proof of rape or awareness as a state of mind.

Andrew is already off the front pages, which are being taken up now by another three knife murders across the capital overnight, Channel 4's assertion that it "misheard" the word "talent" as "colour" in a Johnson speech, Katherine Jenkins being assaultes as she tried to stop an old woman from being mugged, and the conviction of one of Britain's most notorious serial rapists.

Why would the Crown allow the prince to give that interview? Was it his idea? Who made that dumb mistake?

[quote]Andrew is already off the front pages

Still, he's given us plenty to remember him by. Any time he ever pops up again it's Epstein and Virginia who will instantly come to mind.

Of course this could go on because there is so much to uncover as in the Queen knighting Savile and Charles friendship with him and really why in the world Charles deserves to be king outside of just about anyone else on the planet. He often comes off as much an arrogant entitled piece of redneck trash as his brother. But yes he won the lottery in terms of his birth mother. But the queen is a very great actor and her children for some reason don't have a drop of talent.

R27 So you are saying she was a willing prostitute in a children's brothel?

I would say she was a prostitute who was well paid for her services. She enjoyed the life until she didn't.

Andrew was 42. A middle aged man. She was 17 and still considered a child. I would say there was a gross imbalance of power. Even though she consented her judgement was severely faulty and his exploitation of her should and must be considered a criminal act. A trial is justified.

AND she was employed as a prostitute in a children's brothel.

Where do you get this "children's brothel?" She was above the age of consent; the law does not specify to whom that consent should be given, apart from to children.

There was no exploitation or abuse of power. She made a choice and later regretted it. As have we all...

And there will be no trial, because there is no evidence of a crime.

Epstein's house was a children's brothel. What world do you live in? She was also a minor. This is exploitation of a minor. This is a criminal act. Your dimness is beyond belief.

And what world do you live in? There was no "children's brothel". The accuser Ms Roberts was of the age of consent. There is no evidence of coercion.

You sound unhinged. And you will see that there will be no trial.

Of course there will be no trial but there should be. You're the unhinged one incapable of seeing Epstein's house for what it was. A bit too untasteful for you huh? And there WAS coercion by Maxwell and Epstein the exploiters of a minor which the prince took advantage of. Dear god have you been reading anything about this at all?

I guess the word should be distasteful. Not one person has used the term children's brothel because it sounds like something disgusting from some ancient empire. But that's exactly what it was.

Oh ffs, spare me your faux outrage. "Think of the children." This is just a calculated prelude to a major cashgrab civil lawsuit by the self-styled victims, now that Epstein is dead, and the baying, spiteful, envious public going after a privileged royal.

What else is new?

Of course Epstein's stable of young girls that he rented out for sexual acts was just business as usual because all these girls were there and acting out of their own free will. They were just in it for the good times and a paycheck. Now they are just greedy women going after innocent billionaires out for a big lottery winning payout.

And any criticism of Epstein and his cronies is just envy of the house of Windsor. It's a wonder why anybody has a problem with any of this.

Wow, there is one really sick fuck here in this thread. Dude, get right.

Beatrice just canceled her engagement party, which was to be held Dec 18th.

The release says she canceled because of the paparazzi. They still will have an intimate party at a friend's apartment. Hopefully, the engagement is stil on.

“Queen to Andrew: You’re an Anus Horriblis”

A few days ago the media annnounced that Andrew will be accompanying the BRF to church on Christmas Day. WAhether or not he'll walk with them, I don't know, he could easily be driven to a side entrance, then stand outside as the Queen drives away, and then slip out the side again as the rest of the family walks out to greet the crowd.

I do feel a bit sorry for Bea. This is the moment she has been waiting for throughout her adult life, and it's been utterly ruined by her father's behaviour.

For the rest, despite a few almost half-hearted headlines, the media are at this point engulfed in see-sawing sordid stories about the election, the latest being Ashforth's taped predictions about Labour's chances outside urban areas, the interview with terror victim's father which SKY is repeating every five minutes, the NHS scandal, etc., etc., etc.

The truth is, these days, trying to keep any one story top of the banner for more than a few days is quite a jjob.

The media go where the winds of a public with increasingly limited attention span blow them. Most people care far less about things that the media scream at them, is the other counter-intuitive truth here. They don't go home thinking about Andrew, or which group redid the sentencing guidelines, or whether Johnson was empathetic enough to the survivors of the terror attack victims, or even Corbyn's failures re the institutionalised antisemitism within Labour . . .

What they do care about is what affects them personally and what they want to see on their front streets.

Prince Andrew is interesting on that score, but not important, except to the monarchy and how it navigates this last bad PR year.

In short, it's amazing how little the public care about most big stories one way or the other for more than five minutes.

[quote]Whether or not he'll walk with them, I don't know, he could easily be driven to a side entrance

It's the walk which is the point. If he's known to be there but doesn't do the walk, he'll hardly look like the war hero he tries to allude to being. He'll look like a coward, conceding he has reason to hide. Not really 'too honourable.' At a guess he'll risk the walk, suitably flanked by family with whom to 'share a joke.' Quite the short straw to draw, that latter task.

Every time I think of how upset Her Majesty must be about how Andrew has sullied the reputation of the BRF, I can hear her, using Terry Jones' voice from "The Life of Brian": 'He's a very naughty boy.....'

Does this make me a bad person?

R53 - Fair points, but the risk is heckling from people joining the crowd simply for that purpose, which risks punishing the whole family. He can always say he is there only to fulfill and renew his Christian faith, and not to make a social point by making things difficult for his family.

Why does Bea deserve sympathy.

She's rich, spoiled and useless.

Yeah I'd hardly think this would be any kind of real hardship for such a person beyond the irritation and inconvenience of not having the high profile place you wanted for your engagement party. I can imagine Edo and his family when this was a purely a social and professional alliance fuming. You can only play at being in love for so long before losing your patience and real annoyance sets in.

Her Majesty is upset to the extent that the situation is problemmatic. She went riding with her best boy the day after his interview, announced his Christmas participation, and will continue to wordlessly deny his fuckery, as always.

I wonder when Meg and Harry will appear in public again.

R56 - I wouldn't say I feel as sorry for her as I do for women in migrant camps or being raped in the Congo, but this is a royal thread and whilst I'm not being kept up at night awash in pity, she is still a human being and in the context of these threads, yes, I feel a bit sorry for her. Perhaps I even feel sorry for her for being slack and wealthy and useless. You may as well say no one going through a personal crisis who isn't in a migrant camp or being raped in the Congo has a right to feel sad.

We all live our own lives and those are our reality, even if we're healthy, well-fed, clothed, housed, and safe.

The queen never liked Andrew, it's been said she never bonded with him when he was a child...she never had anything to do with him.

He was her favorite but she really never liked him.

So Andrew is spending Christmas with Mummy and his siblings cousins and their kids.....I will bet you that William and Catherine spend this Christmas with the Middletons, and just a brief pop in to see Granny. Noone wants to be around that arrogant POS. MeghanandHArry willstill be on leave.I think they will resume public duties after January 1st. So they've effectively bypassed a lot of mess, giving Andrew center stage which he deserves.

I think I'd like to write a play about all this. A satire.

R59 Never, I hope.

The Cambridges usually spend the first part of Christmas Day and do the dutiful church walk with the Queen, and then head off to the Middleton's much cosier holiday. Their country home is ON the Sandringham estate in Norfolk, so not very far off. With the glaring absence of the Sussexes and Andrew in the dog house, you can bet your arse the Cambridges will be front and centre, and possibly bring Prince George with them to remind the public that they are the reassuring future.

^*That is, the Cambridge's country home is on the Sandringham estate in Norfolk. The Middletons live in West Berkshire, a three-hour drive.

R64 - I thought this was satire.

Andrew is his own flawless self-satirist. His faux-hesitant confiding that, if anything, he is 'too honourable' can't be improved on.

R69 - I agree. You can't satirise this one, it's already seized all the best lines.

I read a story that Seville would arrive to see Charles several times a week and they would be behind closed doors for about an hour. I wonder what the fuck they were doing. Am American, any rumors Seville also fucked guys?

Charles' barber?

To the poster(s) above (you know who I mean): No matter the age of consent, the woman would have been unable to consent due to alcohol, drugs etc. There are other possible crimes (ex: rape rather than child molestation) where the age of the victim is of no consequence. A prosecutor can secretly seat a grand jury . Just because it hasn't been announced doesn't mean there is no current grand jury hearing evidence. Finally, you know nothing of the evidence except for the little that has appeared in the media. No one does.

^^ Change "would have" to "may have."

If charges were pending based on Giuffre's evidence, her attorney would have advised her to keep her mouth shut and not do interviews.

I thought Virginia's interview was a precursor to filing against the Epstein estate. ?

r76, that is what I thought too. Also her evidence photo smiling with PA does not help her case imo. If she had said Ghislaine forced her upstairs and then she told him she didn't want to, that would be very different, but even in her story it seems PA thinks it is consensual .

I read Weinstein is almost done paying out to settle his cases, and Mr. Spacey is free and clear.

Andrew says that picture of him upstairs cannot be possible because he was never upstairs.

For those who may have missed it, this analysis was linked in another thread.

[quote] She's rich, spoiled and useless.

Let's be honest here... all of them are.