London Bridge attack Friday nov 29th

Wtf? Could they not have tased him first? Why shoot him like that? He was surrounded by three fully armed officers, ffs. Could they really not have subdued him?

No fucking harm to shoot the bastard dead. Let it be a lesson to his fellow travelers.

The courts are there to dole out lessons.

Are you sure he was "surrounded" with no possible escape? Those special units in London are very highly prepared to snuff out such incidents QUICKLY before they steamroll, as they have in the past, to many casualties. Tough shit for the perp!

The civilians who fought back are real heroes

r4 Yes, there are several videos floating on Twitter right now. He was done in the end, but they still shot him. Seems cowardly.

[quote]shot dead in a stabbing attack

Is this like drowning in a fire?

Vid.

I'm so glad Owen Jones was nearby so he could experience the panic and confusion while stone cold sober this time.

It's so very different when you're involved isn't it Owen.

Is that a giant knife the guy in the foreground is holding before running away at the end of the clip?

Yes, he disarmed the attacker.

That's the famous London Bridge in R8's video? Not much to it.

Glad to see your priorities are in order, R12!

Brexit would have prevented this from happening.

Another angle . I don't understand what's happening here. Everyone runs after the gunshot but was that the cops shot or his?

Some say he had a suicide vest, but isnt it even more dangerous to shoot him if he had one? He was on the ground, why not shoot him in the shoulder or leg? He no longer had the knife and was probably unarmed.

R15, the gunshots were from the police. From what I've read, the attacker had a knife (which another man wrestled off him after the stabbings) but no gun.

Who cares if they shot him? Don't wanna be shot? Don't go out and stab people.

Reporting he had explosive device on.

Didn't appear to be a reason to shoot him from viewing both angles in those twitter posts. I hope the reality of the situation reveals the shooting was justified.

Police confirm that it was a terrorist incident. The suspect is dead.

I wouldn’t be running with that knife for fear a cop would shoot me too.

R20 he might have been ready to detonate a vest.

R22 looks like he was in shock. What did he throw away from his pocket?

So I have an explosive device strapped to me in order to carry out a terrorist attack and I leave the house with a large knife because?

But if you shoot him and he had the device in his hand the bomb could go off. It's just so weird to see someone being shot point blank without trying to arrest him first.

The police say it was a fake bomb.

Oh "it's just so weird". Bloody crissakes, take this to an Oberlin bakery.

Shooting the (suspected) terrorist dead is common practice over much of Europe. Avoids uncomfortable questions that the media has no desire to investigate and the government has no desire to answer.

^Cold blooded Freak

R27 WTF?? What kind of self respecting religious lunatic wears a FAKE bomb?

[quote]So I have an explosive device strapped to me in order to carry out a terrorist attack and I leave the house with a large knife because?

I watch movies made in Hollywood.

In his press conference the Mayor referred to London as the world’s greatest city. I HATE this. There ISN’T a “greatest city.” Why do so many people and media outlets feel the need to do this? The Mayor also, of course, mentioned how diverse London is. He managed to leave out the word “vibrancy.”

President Trump has been briefed and is monitoring the situation - I feel so much safer now.

It arguably is. But no matter. Have you never heard a big city mayor speak?

Those stabbed will probably have to deal with years of PTSD.

Is the attacker Muslim?

So they didnt need to shoot him. They should have been more compassionate and careful . Is that it? I wonder if you would feel the same way if you just watched this animal butcher someone you love.

It would be nerve-wracking to live in London with all the knife and acid attacks, but also because there are so many suspicious looking people there.

R39 with a very suspicious mayor

Two civilians dead, not including the attacker.

R39 come to America :P

R39 at least we don't have daily spree shootings.

I see Dominic Cummings has moved into the last wave of campaigning tactics.

I've lived in London for nearly 40 years and have never met anyone who was a victim of a stabbing nor an acid attack. Those kind of events get in the papers cos they're so fucking rare, not because it's a daily hazard.

I was raped.

R45 Which part of London do you live? How often do you see people in a letterbox?

R45 It cracks me up to see Yanks scared of traveling here when they're more likely to get shot at home than in an active war zone.

London has turned into a dirty, crime ridden 3rd world shithole the last 15 years. Sad.

Tow dead. Attack in Netherlands now

How do the Miss It's-so-alarming-to-shoot-the-perp Things above, think about this now, knowing this human shit stain killed 2 people before being shot to death himself?

Two dead.

Yes in The Hague today. Where , also, 2 days ago, terrorist shit stains were arrested for planning holiday bombings.

R35, it’s FAR from “the greatest city in the world.” The Mayor and others say that only because they suffer from an inferiority complex. It’s even ceased being looked on as a “cool” city. I go there every year and it’s steadily become overcrowded and dangerous and way too much like NYC. A lot of its charm has vanished.

Some of those Dutch police are hot! Has anyone sampled their cop meat? Do we know if they escort on the side? I'd pay more for the "Spring Tulips Experience"

News out of Britain that the terrorist was an ISIS member previously jailed in the UK for terrorism and then released with agreement to wear ankle bracelet and observe curfew. Had been guest at some conference in the City. Good God!

So they held a conference for ex-cons (XConConference?) and then one of the convicted terrorists... committed a terrorist attack.

Oops.

[quote]News out of Britain that the terrorist was an ISIS member previously jailed in the UK for terrorism and then released with agreement to wear ankle bracelet and observe curfew.

That seems like such a European thing. With all those residual overseas territories, surely the UK has a place to ship terrorists to .

The terrorist had recently been released early from UK prison for terrorist crimes. LOL. GB is so light on crime. If I ever decide to kill someone, I'm dragging them to England first.

And you're rather light in the belfry, aren't you r59.

But, of course, we welcome your thoughts and prayers, as a panacea to all Britain's ills. It works so wonderfully in the US.

R56 the idiocy of the legal system here.

[quote] OPEN SOCIAL MEDIA WILL GET CORRECT NEWS THAT ISIS, DAISH N AL QAIDA R MILITARY FORCES OF WHICH NOT MUSLIM COUNTRY FIND MR FIND KEEPING BEARD n MUSLIM names r not the proofs that they r Muslims if u want truth SEARCH SEARCH n start ANALYSING BEFORE TOO LATE ¤ FORCES OF WHICH PLACE

Well, that's cleared that up.

I didn't offer any thoughts or prayers. You let Islamic terrorists out of prison early (with nothing more than an ankle monitor!), you deserve what you get.

Hopefully, Boris will set the tone to crack down hard on terrorists and suspects and do away with European coddling.

Sandy Hook, Las Vegas, Parkland etc. r63.

I agree, both countries get what they deserve.

R65 wins for dumbest fucker in the whole thread.

Boris' Conservative majority just got larger.

Man grabbed 5ft narwhal tusk off wall to fight London Bridge knife attacker

Graphic video. Is it just me, or does it look like something (possibly a weapon) flies out of the attacker's hand and over the bridge after he's hit with the second gunshot at the very end?

You can also see the object flying over the bridge around the 40-second mark of this video. Again, the footage is graphic.

Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Listening to UK talk radio and of course a lot of the callers are engaging in self-congratulatory gushing over the people who put their lives at risk by neutralizing the terrorist. So predictable.

[Quote]I didn't offer any thoughts or prayers. You let Islamic terrorists out of prison early (with nothing more than an ankle monitor!), you deserve what you get.

Well, the difference is in the UK he could only buy a knife and wear a fake device and stab 5 people (and sadly still kill 2). But in the US terrorists or lunatics can buy an assault weapon at Wal-Mart and kill 50 people. Both systems are obviously deeply flawed.

Was the attacker on the ground when the police shot him dead? If so, I'm conflicted. On the one hand, the police shouldn't shoot him after they subdued him. But, on the other had, look at what wanker pulled after being released early. Tough one.

But the big news is some random Brit grabbed a narwhal tusk and joined in the fight.

Are narwhals a sparkly animal from a Ye Olde England Narnia-like place?

I wish the general public would morph into people who now turn on assholes like this and take them out.

First sign of shit like this and boom, swarm and attack!

So did the stabber practice the religion of peace?

False flag, R31. There's your answer.

R75 Yes Rose .

R69/70. If you zoom in and slow mo the video you’ll see the object you are describing is a pigeon flying off from the gunshot

Fuck that towel head . I wish they would have revived him then shot his ass dead again.

[quote]Well, the difference is in the UK he could only buy a knife and wear a fake device and stab 5 people (and sadly still kill 2).

87 people were murdered in Nice using just a rental truck. What’s your point?

[quote]Was the attacker on the ground when the police shot him dead? If so, I'm conflicted. On the one hand, the police shouldn't shoot him after they subdued him. But, on the other had, look at what wanker pulled after being released early. Tough one.

The perp and another man— Mr Narwhal?— were engaged in a struggle on the ground. The cops were helping to pull Narwhal away while keeping the perp on the sidewalk. As the one cop pulls Narwhal to safety, the perp attempts to leap up from the ground (odd that there was no cop holding him down). That’s when he was shot.

R82, I think one or more of them saw the fake suicide bomber vest and thought it was real. The cop pulled the guy off the islamic terrorist and neutralized the fucker. I hope it was a painful death, though muslims the world over believe the fucker went straight to the islamic paradise for killing infidels as the islamic god demands and sanctifies, according to their mass murdering, child raping, enslaver prophet

The only thing deeply flawed r73 is islam.

R68 It’s a pity he didn’t shove it up The terrace arse and out through the top of his head.

Whenever someone does something, it's always the standard response:

Muslim = terrorist Black/Hispanic = thug White = troubled mentally ill person

Muslims can be white moron.

Sure, but this is acting like Muslims can never be mentally ill. There's a double standard here where someone can be White, Christian, and can get away with doing something based off mental illness. The same cannot be said for Muslims or others. Usually this is a result of bigotry and acting like non-white non-Christian groups are lesser than others.

You really are dumb aren’t you, R20.

[quote]this is a result of bigotry and acting like non-white non-Christian groups are lesser than others.

R88 Your post is a result of deflection based on woeful cultural ignorance and agenda.

R90 Please explain. If a perpetrator of a crime happens to be a Muslim, somehow people (mostly right-wingers) act like his religion had something to do with it and all Muslims somehow share responsibility with that perpetrator. Time again I see this. I don't see this happening with White Christians perpetrators.

R91 Yet another post displaying complete ignorance of Islam, Muslim societies, culture and mentality. But, carry on.

No one can refute that these Muslim terrorists are acting out what's in the Quran and hadith. Moderate Muslims just say that these terrorists are taking Allah and Mohammed's words too literally. Just like with Christianity, you have to turn a blind eye to many fucked up things in order to be a "moderate".

R91 Oh, are you telling me you are an expert on these topics? You can say what you want about Islam and how bad it is, but acting like 2 billion Muslims are all somehow conspiring with each other to attack others is conspiracy drivel, and shows true ignorance.

Do western people realize Muslims can have different interpretations of their faith like Christians can?

[quote]Do western people realize Muslims can have different interpretations of their faith like Christians can?

For 1.7 billion Muslims, Islam is not a "faith" or a "religion". It is the foundation of their culture, mentality and lifestyle and very existence. Their lives are circumscribed by Islam 24/7/365. There is nothing else. No choice, no freedom, and certainly no diversion from, let alone interpretation, of The Truth.

This bloody Muslims was an ISIS supporters? And just few hours back Muslim lovers on this thread were weeping and complaining about why those cops shot the poor Muslim

This muslim terrorist sick fuck was a shit stain. And some of you presumably Christian crackers on this thread have piss-poor English.

R97 is a Muslim scum

The Jihadi shot dead on LondonBridge was not only a convicted terrorist who had been released on a tag but he was a guest of a Cambridge University sponsored conference in London today on “prisoner rehabilitation”. You just couldn’t make this stuff up!

Cambridge University has become a hub of Muslims terrorist 😱

Please everyone. You do realize that the perpetrator can be a white Muslim from Argentina experiencing a psychotic episode.

Happens all the time, the Argies drive white Muslims insane with their constant tangos. Very much against their Book, you know.

Face of pure evil!

All of these Muzzies are so fucking violent and disgusting and should be banned from entering countries in the western world.

Clearly an unfucked Incel out to kill infidels.

Conservative landslide coming up.

aren’t all stabbing considered terrorism? Christ!

OMG! Marry me r97! You’re post reminds me there is humanity in this world!

R104, Why? Conservatives have been in power for the last nine years and they have done nothing to stop migration from third world countries. If anything, it has been increased.

In fact, Boris Johnson has explicitly said that he would not limit immigration.

Also, the existing conservative government has not done anything to curb radicalization of Muslim or punishing the Jihad terrorist.

Brexit party is also a joke .

This election is dentfinely lenaing towards conservatives but It will not be landslide

The attacker was an invited guest by The Cambridge Centre for Community, Gender and Social Justice Studies, for their 'Learning Together Alumni Event'. The goal of the organization is to "develop the links between criminal justice and social justice" internationally and locally. He stabbed several of the organizers at the event.

^ lol...you can't make this stuff up!

They certainly never saw it coming.

Why wasn’t he deported, assuming he wasn’t born in England, when he was convicted the first time?

They are the elite of the elite in Social Justice.

They dead, hon.

I'm definitely going to be carrying a narwhal tusk with me from now on.

They would not want to risk offending the special guest and shake him down for knives.

After Charlie Hebdo, the BBC did a survey of British Muslims and found that a full quarter of them sympathised with the attackers.

With results like that, I'm only surprised this kind of thing isn't happening every few months.

The guy had one chance and he threw it away.

Narwhal to the rescue:

They should keep a fleet of narwhales in the Thames, to help out when (always Muslim) terrorists attack.

Many more to come...

He was sentenced to 16 years for planning a terrorist (bomb) attack in London, but realised early after only 6 years. WTF? Also, was this man a UK citizen? Why was he still there and not returned to his home country?

Why are these Islam terroists always so ugly? Is it because they are inbred brainwashed by a violent ideology?

Muslim terrorists are also often pedophiles.

Mo-hammet married a 7 year old

R121 He was probably born in Britain and radicalized by one of those private wahabi schools that Thatcher and Major encouraged into the country in return for a big Saudi arms contract.

Let it not be... Let it not be... Shit. Muslim again. What's wrong with this community? Their leaders are not doing things right. There's no point in championing them any more.

The problem is that the Quran is all about killing infidels. The goal is to take over the world and create an Islamic empire: the caliphate. Muslims who commit these attacks aren't distorting the Quran - they're following it. Muslim leaders aren't condemning the actions of terrorists because many on them are on their side.

There are different types of Muslins. The British government shafted moderate Muslims and enabled the Wahabis to take over their schools and mosques. Despite their pleas for help.

We must learn to love terrorists, is that what you're queefing? Armchair theorists will always be around. If it had been any of you on that bridge you would've been jumping up and down like a cheerleader on speed, screaming, "Shoot him.!

R129 who are you replying to?

[quote]The British government shafted moderate Muslims

"Moderate", "extremist", "fundamentalist", "radical", are all Western-invented adjectives. For 1.7 million Muslims, there is only Islam.

[quote] The problem is that the Quran is all about killing infidels. The goal is to take over the world and create an Islamic empire: the caliphate. Muslims who commit these attacks aren't distorting the Quran - they're following it. Muslim leaders aren't condemning the actions of terrorists because many on them are on their side.

You’ve never even read the Quran, idiot.

All these muslims look portuguese. How can a british person know the difference between a muslim and a portuguese??

R131 I know you're probably American and therefore functionally illiterate but the thing about words is they have meanings.

Catholicism isn't the only type of Christianity. Hasidics aren't the only Jews Wahabis aren't the only Muslims

There's no point in telling you to read the article but you could always hit yourself with a mallet. Brain damage might be an improvement.

r128 I wonder if it's because the wealthy and the royals in those countries like extremism, that way people stay easy to control, especially the women.

[quote] but the thing about words is they have meanings.

R134 Those words are for gullible Western consumption. They don't exist in relation to Islam/Muslims for 1.7 billion Muslims.

Are you serious, R132?

[quote] Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."

[qupte] Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

[quote] Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves."

The concept of "jihad" is mentioned frequently in the Quran.

R135 read the article it's related to power grabbing after the fall of the empire.

R136 *Pat's head* Yes dear. You're right. Words have no meaning

R137

The Bible also says it's ok to enslave and kill non-believers, adulterers, disobedient children/women and gay men. The Old Testament even directs people to make a blood sacrifice of their first born sons at 8 days old.

It's not the book it's the small group of Wahabi cultists who take it literally. .. And the Westerners too stupid to understand the Dynamics within Islam and the politics thereof.

Most Yanks are so dumb they wouldn't even know if they were living under Sharia law anyway.

Hey, r66, thank you for thinking of me.

[quote]It's not the book it's the small group of Wahabi cultists who take it literally.

Uh, no R139. It's the book. Taken literally by 1.7 billion Muslims in 57 Muslim majority countries.

[quote]And the Westerners too stupid to understand the Dynamics within Islam and the politics thereof.

Including you R139.

I'm so glad most Muslims are not mean like that.

R141 there are fewer than 5 million Wahhabis in the Persian Gulf region (compared to 28.5 million Sunnis and 89 million Shia).

I think I'd actually rather argue with a fundimentalist Arab jackass than most American simpletons.

R122: because of inbreeding.

There has to be a prioritization of values. That way when there is a clash, we have some idea of which values take precedence of which. In a western democracy, democratic enlightenment values have primacy, (tell me if you disagree.) Like equality of men and women.

Islamic values are fine in a democratic country as long but they can't override it's democratic values. There are also universal values we uphold. Such as equality, justice, liberty, that we uphold and support everywhere.

Some countries may not consider them universal, or applicable in their own countries. They may think what we consider undemocratic values to be superior. Like the status of women in an islamic society.

Naturally they will promote them. Naturally we promote ours.

But we cannot support clashing values within our own society. We cannot support values like the inferior treatment of Muslim women in our own society even if Muslim residents wish to do so. And even though we generally agree people should follow whatever religion they wish.

These values have to be subservient to ours if they want to live here.

There has to be a prioritization of values. That way when there is a clash, we have some idea of which values take precedence of which. In a western democracy, democratic enlightenment values have primacy, (tell me if you disagree.) Like equality of men and women.

Islamic values are fine in a democratic country as long but they can't override it's democratic values. There are also universal values we uphold. Such as equality, justice, liberty, that we uphold and support everywhere.

Some countries may not consider them universal, or applicable in their own countries. They may think what we consider undemocratic values to be superior. Like the status of women in an islamic society.

Naturally they will promote them. Naturally we promote ours.

But we cannot support clashing values within our own society. We cannot support values like the inferior treatment of Muslim women in our own society even if Muslim residents wish to do so. And even though we generally agree people should follow whatever religion they wish.

These values have to be subservient to ours if they want to live here.

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r139 Most Yanks are so dumb they don't know fascism when they see it either.

I knew a Lybian guy whose parents were first cousins. They grew up together and everything. A way to keep the wealth in the clan apparently. Gross.

The Royal families in Europe did that too r150. Yes it's gross.

Is DL 99% right wing racist cunts now? Seems that way.

R147 Then we have to address the elephant in the room which is that successive Western governments have enabled, encouraged and created Wahabi sects both abroad and at home for their own gain.

It would be more beneficial if they encouraged Wasabi sects.

If the terrorist had had an AK 47, he'd have killed 50 people.

Anyone knows identity of victims?

r155

And if he had a nuclear bomb he'd kill tens of thousands.

And if he had a hammer he'd hammer in the morning.

r151 Except the royals in Europe no longer do it NOW. Meanwhile in many Muslim countries cousin marriages is not only the norm but encouraged. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Gulf states all have very high rates of cousin fucking.

A very little wahabi goes a long way. You have to mix it with soy sauce first.

From the inbreeding link:

But inbreeding is an issue that needs to be addressed, some European leaders say. The problem is that genetic deficiencies from consanguineous marriages is taxing European healthcare systems.

The BBC’s research, for example, found that that while British Pakistanis accounted for roughly 3.4% of all births, “they had 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.”

One study found that each year 700 babies in the UK are born with genetic disabilities as a result of consanguineous marriage. Despite this epidemic of genetic defects in babies born from consanguineous marriages, there remains a reluctance in many Islamic leaders to acknowledge the full ramifications of marriage between cousins (see below).

As long as it is not illegal, they can marry whoever they wish.

Fuck off, R134.

Cousin marriage should be banned. If they want to marry first cousins, let them go back to their culture.

from wiki:

Germany[edit] A fourth of all marriages among Turks in Germany are marriages to a family relative according to Essener Zentrum für Türkeistudien.[115]

The Netherlands[edit] The Netherlands has also had a recent debate that has reached the level of the Prime Minister proposing a cousin marriage ban. The proposed policy is explicitly aimed at preventing "import marriages" from certain nations like Morocco with a high rate of cousin marriage. Critics argue that such a ban would contradict Section 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, is not based on science, and would affect more than immigrants. While some proponents argue such marriages were banned until 1970, according to Frans van Poppel of the Netherlands Interdisciplinary Demographic Institute, they are confusing cousin marriage with uncle-niece marriage.[116]

United Kingdom[edit] In the English upper and upper-middle classes the prevalence of first-cousin marriage had remained steady at between 4% and 5% for much of the 19th century. Then quite suddenly, after the First World War, cousin marriage became very unusual. By the 1930s, only one marriage in 6,000 was with a first cousin. A study of a middle-class London population conducted in the 1960s found that just one marriage in 25,000 was between first cousins.[117]

There has been a great deal of debate in the past few years[when?] in the United Kingdom about whether to discourage cousin marriages through government public relations campaigns or ban them entirely.[citation needed] The debate has been prompted by a Pakistani immigrant population making up 1.5% of the British population, of whom about 50-70% marry a first cousin.[118] In the 1980s researchers found that children to closely related Pakistani parents had an autosomal recessive condition rate of 4% compared to 0.1% for the European group.[118] For example, Environment Minister (later Immigration Minister) Phil Woolas said in 2008, "If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there'll be a genetic problem" and that such marriages were the "elephant in the room".[119] Physician Mohammad Walji has spoken out against the practice, saying that it is a "very significant" cause of infant death, and his practice has produced leaflets warning against it.[120] However, Alan Bittles of the Centre for Comparative Genomics in Australia states that the risk of birth defects rises from roughly 2% in the general population to 4% for first cousins and therefore that "It would be a mistake to ban it".[121] Aamra Darr of the University of Leeds has also criticized what she called an "alarmist presentation of data" that exaggerates the risk.[122]

A 2008 analysis of infant mortality in Birmingham showed that "South Asian" infants had twice the infant mortality rate and 3 times the rate of infant mortality due to congenital anomalies.[118]

If you don't like cousin marriage, ban it. Then jail anyone who does so and breaks the law. Simple.

. There are plenty of liberal churches that welcome gays to the congregation and will perform wedding ceremonies. There is not one single sect or branch of Islam that does that. In Islam the blanket rule is that homosexuals ar an abomination and a condemned to hell. Can any of you not see the difference between the religions?

R166

I know openly gay Muslims who attend the Mosque in Dublin.

Shaykh Umar Al-Qadri is a bit of an outlier he campaigned for gay marriage too.

Who cares what churches and mosques say? As long as their congregations are not instructed to break the law.

Also here

He was in a mental breakdown because he has rotten teeth and he has a dog dick.

First victim has been identified . He was Hawt

The first London Bridge terror attack victim has been named as a leader of a prisoner rehabilitation programme.

The first London Bridge terror attack victim has been named as a leader of a prisoner rehabilitation programme.

Attacker Usman Khan, 28, had been invited to a conference at Fishmonger's Hall to mark the fifth year of Learning Together.

Jack Merritt, from Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, was a course leader for the initiative but was fatally stabbed in the attack yesterday afternoon

[quote]My son, Jack, who was killed in this attack, would not wish his death to be used as the pretext for more draconian sentences or for detaining people unnecessarily.. R.I.P. Jack: you were a beautiful spirit who always took the side of the underdog."

I was about to give Darwin award to the victim but then I read his father's comments. This was not Jack's fault. He inherited his moronic stupidity from his woke father

Here

Is the attacker Usman Khan related to Sadiq Khan by any chance?

R175 Yes. All the Khan's in London are close relatives. It being such a rare name and all.

R175, Not sure whether they are related or not but both of them are Pakis by the origin.

Oh the horrible irony of the first named victim. It reminds me of the German early teen girl, the daughter of a lawyer who represented refugees, who was raped and drowned....by an afgani rapugee, muslim, of course.

What can one say? If it had to happen to somebody at least it happened to a somebody who also cheered on the terrorist's release from jail.

This story has unfolded like a divine comedy

The German girl's father was an attorney and senior EU official. The afgani beat her, repeatedly raped her and left her to drown. I'm sure his islamic god was very pleased.

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These people are mentally ill. And I am not talking about Jihadis .

R175 Khan in Pakistan is like Smith in the UK

The narwhal tusk is the icing on the cake, R180

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Maybe he wasn’t at the time, r186. Ever seen the movie “My Son the Fanatic?”

R187 of course he was at the time. All muslims are encouraged to lie to non believers. Never trust them.

He was indeed a terrorist, r187. He admitted it after that interview.

"Speaking to the BBC in 2008 the man who carried out Friday's London Bridge attack denied being a terrorist.

Usman Khan was speaking after his address was raided by anti-terror police in 2008. He later admitted being involved in a terrorist conspiracy.

In 2012 he was sentenced to indeterminate detention for "public protection" with a minimum jail term of eight years.

But in 2013 the Court of Appeal quashed the sentence, replacing it with a 16-year-fixed term of which Khan should serve half in prison.

He was released in December 2018."

Islam fucks you up more than Christianity and Judaism but all these one true god religions are the worst.

The poisonous islamophobes, many of them probably zionists, at busy at work here, but we’re strangely silent about religious terrorism when a Christian gunned down 470 people in Las Vegas.

Anyone who has worked or lived with muslims knows that the percentage of Muslims who are violent terrorists is vanishingly tiny enough for it to be disgraceful to attribute terrorism with that religion. (Just like it was disgraceful to associate usury and international economic domination with Judaism.) Yet there are people who want muslims to be seen as monsters — that makes it so much easier to steal their land.

Islam is totally different from Christianity and Judaism, r190.

In Islam, the Koran must be followed to the letter (because it's supposed to be the actual words Allah told to Mohammad to write down and preach)

And, the Koran is full of orders to kill non-muslims. No other major religion has a book that both has to be followed to the nth degree and also orders its followers to kill all non-believers.

R191 Paddock was an atheist. There was no religious motivation.

Your whole post was a set of lies.

No one should assume that Jack would continue to be believe what he did. Having been killed by someone who he was helping, his spirit would be more likely to change their mind and start saying, "Boy, was I wrong."

"The poisonous islamophobes, many of them probably zionists, at busy at work here, but we’re strangely silent about religious terrorism when a Christian gunned down 470 people in Las Vegas."

You send to have conveniently forgotten about 9/11. You are also strangely silent about the following:

On 7 January 2015, two brothers, Saïd and Chérif Kouachi, forced their way into the offices of the French satirical weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris. Armed with rifles and other weapons, they killed 12 people and injured 11 others.

2015, Paris: Belgian-born Salah Abdeslam, 29, had links to Isis which claimed responsibility for the co-ordinated attacks that killed 130 people and left around 360 people injured in the French capital.

2004, Madrid: Fifteen years after the 2004 Madrid terrorist attacks that killed 193 people and left around 1,700 injured, eight of the 18 men sentenced by the Spanish Supreme Court for the massacre remain in prison. Of this group, three have been given improved conditions thanks to good behavior, including Otman El Gnaoui, an actual perpetrator of the bombings, according to penitentiary sources. The other five remain in the most restrictive prison regime.

Berlin, 2016: On 19 December 2016, a truck was deliberately driven into the Christmas market next to the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church at Breitscheidplatz in Berlin, leaving 12 people dead and 56 others injured. The perpetrator was Anis Amri, a Tunisian failed asylum seeker. Four days after the attack, he was killed in a shootout with police near Milan in Italy.

2004, Amsterdam: Van Gogh worked with the Somali-born writer and politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali to produce the short film Submission (2004), which criticized the treatment of women in Islam. It provoked outrage from the Dutch Muslim community. On 2 November 2004, van Gogh was assassinated by Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim who objected to the controversial film.

Germany, 2015/2016: During the 2015/2016 New Year's Eve celebrations, there were mass sexual assaults, 24 alleged rapes and numerous thefts in Germany, mainly in Cologne city center. There were similar incidents at the public celebrations in Hamburg, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Stuttgart,Bielefeld and Frankfurt. For all of Germany, police estimated in a document leaked in 2016 that 1,200 women were sexually assaulted and that at least 2,000 men were involved, often acting in groups. Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers stated that the perpetrators in his city were reportedly men of "Arab or North African appearance" and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before.

Just some highlights, the list is by no means exhaustive.

R191 Muslim apologist spotted. Islam is a relgion of violence. The sooner the west all come to that conclusion the better.

An apologist for fucking islam, on a gay board.... I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[quote] Hopefully, Boris will set the tone to crack down hard on terrorists and suspects and do away with European coddling.

At the same time getting rid of the NHS and establishing American style health care.

R2 So shoot him before anyone knows he's a set up for the Gov. before the election

[quote]The poisonous islamophobes, many of them probably zionists

R191 completely misses her own bigotry and hypocrisy. No surprise.

Muslim terror in Europe in the past 20 years. This list does include on-going Muslim terror in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

And dumb fuck Corbyn doesn’t believe the terrorist should serve their whole sentences.

From r201's link:

"In 2017, the EU Counter-terrorism Coordinator Gilles de Kerchove stated in an interview that there were more than 50,000 radicals and jihadists in Europe. In 2016, French authorities stated that 15,000 of the 20,000 individuals on the list of security threats belong to Islamist movements. After the Manchester Arena bombing in May 2017, British authorities and MI5 estimated they had 500 ongoing investigations into 3,000 jihadist extremists as potential terrorist attackers, with a further 20,000 having been "subjects of interest" in the past, including the Manchester and Westminster attackers."

And those are just the numbers the EU is willing to publicly admit to - imagine, after Merkel recklessly threw open Europe's borders in 2015, what the true numbers are now...

R203 I’ve often been glad I don’t have kids because I despair of what’s coming down the line in 20 years or so.

Sadly, I think you're right, r204. Because it's an already extremely serious situation now, one that is only ever getting worse rather than better, and no Western government seems capable of even acknowledging the true nature of the problem, much less the scale.

It's just a constant media smokescreen of 'deny deny deny', alongside their knowingly untrue accusations of 'racism' made at anyone who fails to deny. All accompanied by the politicians' endless game of 'kick the can down the road'.

And, short of a mass-attack that dwarfs 9/11 (say chemical or even nuclear) none of that will change anytime soon.

Hell, even in the face of a mass attack, it still might not change, basically because too many people are too frightened of breaking the de-facto Blasphemy Laws under which all Westerners now live.

R192 If the Koran orders Muslims to kill Non-Muslims, how does this explain the fact that Non-Muslims have remained as an intact population for 1400 years in Muslim ruled lands? Why have there been instances of Muslim alliances with Jews historically, for instance? A lot of self proclaimed experts of Islam on this board, yet they mostly get their information from sources that aren't primary.

A lot of Muslims interpret those 'kill' verses as historic against specific groups and temporary. The radicals interpret this as eternal and binding forever. So it's a matter of interpretation.

[quote]Non-Muslims have remained as an intact population for 1400 years in Muslim ruled lands

Intact? Uh no. Discriminated against (jizya anyone?), persecuted, scapegoated, butchered and expelled.

[quote]Why have there been instances of Muslim alliances with Jews historically

You mean like that "alliance" with the Jews of Saudi Arabia whom Mohammed slaughtered when the Jews ceased to be useful? Like that?

[quote]So it's a matter of interpretation.

No, it isn't. It is one of the pillars of Islam, jihad against the Infidel until submission. Ongoing for the last 1,400 years and to be continued until non-Muslims submit or Islam is weakened/destroyed.

Historically it was subjugation into the state of dhimmitude and impoverishing payment of the jizya that preserved any non-believers, but mainly they either converted or were automatically killed (men, mainly) often, the women were turned into sex slaves, sold or, if non-valuable, they were killed.

Remember, ALL of the Middle East and North Africa was non-Muslim. Those countries were all populated by Christians and Jews, and various Arabian Pagan tribes - until conquered 'at the sword' by Islamic warriors.

r208 is exactly right

Here is a visual for how vast - and how incredibly rapid - was the Islamic conquest over the Middle East and N. Africa, and then Spain. Mohammad was born somewhere around Mecca in the mid-7th century, and by the 9th century they were ruling all the land between Mecca and up to Northern Spain.

Keep on eye on the years- most of the spread happened in just under 200 years. That's what their astonishing level of brutality got them - total submission from the Middle East to Western Europe.

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....Meanwhile Boris just announced he will "scrap early release".

I think the election may have just been decided.

Yes. I think the Tories will now have a clear majority in Parliament. Lib Dems are viewed as wimpy and Labour is out! Mark my words!

From the link at r212: Does Corbyn *want* to lose the election? From a non Brit, it’s amazing/baffling that he’s been allowed to stay in power over Labour for so long.

R208 R209 This is an extreme oversimplification of history. Why have the Yazidis been left alone until ISIS came along? Why have historical sites been preserved until ISIS? There were many cases where conversion wasn't even enforced and other faiths could practice their religions. They payed Jizya in exchange for not having to serve in the Islamic armies. Muslims also have to pay a tax called the Zakat. You're trying to paint this out as black and white with no nuances or difference in leaders and policies.

Unless you think some of the Muslims who ruled before didn't actually follow Islam.

R191 Muslims have been stealing other people's land for centuries.

Everybody stole everybody lands if you go back far in history. Theoretically nobody is entitled to land. Demonizing groups of people; Jews, Muslims, etc. for this doesn't solve anything.

Wrong R216. What is an oversimplification is your apologist nonsense about the scourge of Islam. Historical sites preserved? You mean like the Bamayan Buddhas? Or Hagia Sofia? Islam has a long history of destroying "historical" sites that evince any other culture but Islam.

And it is black and white. Jizyah was not a tax for "charity" (zakat), but a tax, a punishment for not being Muslim.

The only difference between Muslim despots and their policies was the extent of brutality required to encourage Infidels to submit to Islam.

[quote]Muslims have been stealing other people's land for centuries.

To Muslims, they are not "stealing" anything. They are simply returning the "transgressor" to The Truth. Such as in Xtian Europe, which Islam spent 500 years attempting to reconquer. And they finally did it without firing a shot, thanx to gullible apologists. See this thread for myriad examples.

R219 Read some actual history and stop taking everything from right-wing sites with an obvious agenda. By your logic the Golden Age shouldn't have ever happened. Libraries and education centers where people of all faiths wouldn't have been encouraged to enter and share knowledge. This ended after the Mongols sack and burned Baghdad and other places.

R220 The "Golden Age" is a myth fueled by political agenda, like your posts.

Medieval Spain was no interfaith golden age

Your link doesn't exactly support your point. The author states that it's a mistake to state that that time period was characterized as fully one or the other. There were leaders and periods of 'tolerance' and 'intolerance'. Your point that you are trying to prove is that the Islamic World has always been that of backwardness and intolerance, with no progressiveness or tolerance whatsoever. The author states that that is an incorrect oversimplification. That there were indeed some areas and leaders who were more progressive than others.

[quote]That there were indeed some areas and leaders who were more progressive than others.

And it's YOUR erroneous oversimplification that Islam has ever been "progressive". And we both know that most certainly has NEVER been the case.

Except the author does state that Islam has been progressive in some instances. You're trying to paint this as an all or nothing thing. Humanity doesn't work like that.

So sick of the Islamaohobia on this site.

Takeyour bigotry elsewhere. DL is progressive and liberal space and you are not wanted here.

Muslims have real grievances against the West and many of these attacks are well deserved.

3000 useless Americans lost on 911 is a small number compared to those our policies support.

Are you serious, r226? Being sick with Islamophobia is a thing, and thinking that terrorist attacks are well deserved is another. Also, 3000 useless Americans?? Since you brought up usefulness, I'm pretty sure these 3000 "useless Americans" were much more useful than a million from a developing 3rd world country...

No true progressive or genuinely liberal person, one who supports gay rights, one who supports human rights, could EVER support Islam, r226.

EVER.

Well, the "progressive" "liberal" fascist has spoken at r226. Apparently we "deserve" all the terrorist attacks and the 3000 who died on 9/11 were all "useless"...

Says it all.

Oh please

Let's send all of the gay Islam apologists to Saudi Arabia and declare openly that they are gay. And see what happens.

Let's send all of the gay Islam apologists to Saudi Arabia and declare openly that they are gay. And see what happens.

R222 The one mistake made by the author is that Byzantine Greeks had the ancient Greek texts already! No translation necessary. No need for The Irish to save civilization OR The Moselms to have translated texts either.

Another is how Moselms and Jews were treated in Western Europe They were treated pretty badly when compared to the Jews and Christians in Islamic Spain. Islamic Spain was no paradise BUT Christian Europe and Christian pain were extremely intolerant of non Christian religions and other Christian sects that disagreed with one another. Read about the problems that the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Protestants had with one another.

Jack Merritt was targetted because he is openly gay. Earring. Gunman probably a closet case who he rejected.

Corbyn is a spaz. Now is not the time to get wooly about the terror attack and blame the invasion of Iraq for all our woes.

How does an openly gay person have a girlfriend, r234?

Many years ago, I met an academic who claimed that (I’m paraphrasing wildly here) Muslims were salty that Western civilization eclipsed them, and they wanted to return to the era where they were the cultured and civilized people.

At one time, Westerners were filthy and savage pagans, but Muslims were peaceful and clean and creating algebra and beautiful fine art. And the European brutes swept the world, colonizing, etc. And the Muslims just want to be top dog again.

I think about this, sometimes.

The most despicable hate crime against gays in the US was carried out by a devout Muslim.

The killer identified himself as "Mujahideen", "Islamic Soldier", and "Soldier of God".

Why shouldn't I be wary of people who devoutly follow a violent religion?

Let's take hordes of the most backwards people on Earth and plunk them down in the most civilized, democratic societies on Earth.

WTF do you think is going to happen?

R238 even sadder, the Pulse nightclub shooting has already been forgotten about because of the myriad other mass shootings which came after it.

R240, the Pulse nightclub shooting was brought up on a Jezebel thread a while ago and the posters were steadfastly denying that it was motivated by homophobia. They kept insisting it was a gay-on-gay crime, even though the FBI confirmed that the stories about the gunman's sexuality were hoaxes. SJWs feel uncomfortable about the prevalence of homophobia among radical Muslims, so they just pretend it doesn't exist.

R192, but it is only muslims that a wreaking havoc around the globe, as they have been doing since their mass murdering prophet told them the islamic god said they should. The world has a big problem and it is called islam. I feel things are shifting quickly and the infidels are going to unit and say enough! You've killed, enslave, and raped tens to hundreds of millions of us, we will no longer allow you to kill us as your fast ticket to islamic paradise as you create hell on earth.

Besides all the violence being committed by islam, except for two or three, every one of the 57 muslim majority countries are abysmal places in so many ways, especially when it comes to human rights. Islam is VERY fucked up, that is the reason why muslims want to silence everyone from telling the truth about it.

R237, that academic had it wrong, as so many have for so long. Muslims destroyed incredible civilizations from Constantinople to Persia, India, North Africa, the Holy Land. They appropriated everything from these lands, including culture, learning, slaves, money etc. There made have been a golden period but it wasn't this paradise they want to lie about....and it was islam that destroyed itself. Here is an excellent book about the devastation islam brought to the classical world. It was repeated all the way to The Philippines and is being repeated across the globe, in one form or another, to this day.

Islam has contributed little to nothing to the modernity.....maybe the numbers they stole from the hindus. No one is running to muslim-majority countries.....for good fucking reasons.

Islam destroyed classical Mediterranean civilization. I often wonder what Persia and Egypt would've evolved into had their civilizations not been taken over by Islam.

Basically all scholarship in the field of history is revisionist or negationist. It's the only way to get yourself published. If young people today are interested in knowing what actually happened in the past and what the actual impact was, they need to read textbooks from several decades ago.

R245, you are correct that authors who speak truthfully about islam and islamic history face career death at best, mortal death at the hands of muslims, at worst. Theo Van Gogh comes to mind. However, there are several contemporary scholars who are telling the truth, such as:

Bat Ye'or many excellent books

Ayaan Hirsi Ali - Any of her writings or videos

Efraim Karsh "Islamic Imperialism a History"

Andrew G. Bostom "Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims"

Dario Fernandez-Morera "The Myth of Andalusian Paradise - Muslims. Christians and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain"

Robert G. Hoyland "In God's Path - The Arab Conquest and the Creation of an Islamic Empire"

Ibn Warraq "The Islam in Islamic Terrorism - The Importance of Beliefs, Ideas, and Ideology"

Raymond Ibrahim "The Sword and Scimitar - Fourteen Centuries of War Between Islam and the West"

Robert Spencer "The History of Jihad"

Douglas Murray "The Strange Death of Europe"

Oriana Fallaci "The Rage and the Pride" and "The Force of Reason"

There are also recent books about the Armenian genocide, which also included the murder or exile of tens of thousands of Greeks from Turkey, books about the Hindu holocaust, and a few books about the current state of things in European countries, though these are very few. There is quite a lot once you start looking.

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Oh, and he was first noticed because he seen laughing at 9/11 videos.

Oh r226. I'm so sorry for your loss. He was clearly one of your kind.

Such a primitive, savage race.

What "race" would that be, r249?

Islam is a religion, not a race.

And yes, it is a savage religion.

According to DL, they're white-adjacent r250

R246 That was not a genocide againt one group. It was a genocide against all Christians Greek,Asyrians and Armenians. The idea was to get rid of every Christian. The Greeks for their occupation of Turkey and atrocities againt Turkish women and children and the Armenians for staging a rebellion and killing innocent Muslim women and children. In retribution, The Turks decided to get rid of all Christians. The Assyrians were not involved in the massacres against The Turks but were included anyway.The genocide against The Christians, had more Greeks and Assyrians killed per capita than Armenians! The Armenians hould mention their attacks on Turks and the fact that the genocide was not only against them. Yet they never do. Shame on them

ALL religions should be banned.

"Rhys Miller, a former classmate, wrote on Facebook: ‘Look who it is – the guy who walked around school with a picture of Osama bin Laden on the front of his planner and used to sit in the corner of the cafe with 20 of his mates watching videos of the planes going into the Twin Towers.’ He said Khan’s extremism was ‘brushed under the carpet’ and ‘blatant red flags’ were ‘ignored’."

Sounds like he advertised his extremism to everyone at his school a decade ago.

And - where are those "20 of his mates" now? They sound like they wouldn't be adverse to a bit of blowing up the odd kaffir.

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Aftermath:

When will we get our shit together and stop making excuses for terrorists? Whatever happened to the idea of taking in women and children only? You know the real victims of war and usually not the ones who commit acts of terror.

From the Telegraph:

"He was used as a case study by the initiative to highlight its work with ex-offenders.

Staff members even took part in a 10km run to raise money to buy Khan a computer on his release so he could continue writing, despite stringent bail conditions that prevented him from using the internet. He sent them a thank-you note saying the project had a “special place in my heart” and was “more than just an organisation”.

Ha ha ! Classic Khan!

why can't he go to the library to use a public computer?

R108 Ha!

The fact that he was paraded around by social justice groups and woke people at Cambridge is fucking hilarious. If Allah's sense of humor always includes this much dark irony I might find myself warming up to the guy.

maybe the SJWs will stop acting against their own and the left's interests now!!!! They have a fetish for muslims

Islam is a kaffir religion.

Muslim countries are broken, dirty, polluted, falling apart, overcrowded, corrupt and nobody foes a damned thing about it because it’s god’s will, inshallah. Backward misogynistic oppressive shitholes.

Julie Burchill has written a good piece on it:

"There will also be the usual platitudes about ‘not giving in to hate’, which means not expressing any anger and singing ‘Kumbaya’ while waving candles instead. If we say anything even slightly heated we are apparently in some way as bad as the attackers. But on the contrary, you give in to hate when you allow a violent fascist ideology free rein. As Christopher Hitchens said, ‘The barbarians never take a city until someone holds the gates open to them – and it’s your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you’. With each new attack we are told that this has ‘nothing to do with Islam’ – but even if that’s so, we’d be justified in thinking that Islam certainly attracts a higher proportion of murderous maniacs than any setup since the Manson Family."

[quote] Staff members even took part in a 10km run to raise money to buy Khan a computer on his release so he could continue writing, despite stringent bail conditions that prevented him from using the internet. He sent them a thank-you note saying the project had a “special place in my heart” and was “more than just an organisation”.

Why did they need to buy him a computer so he could keep writing? Surely a pen and a pad of paper would have sufficed?

Muslims and LGBTQ people should stand together, not fight each other . (And I'm not saying this just because I like dark cut cocks up my arse.)

The students went to Cambridge University.

Stuff like this makes me think there's got to be more to existence than this life on Earth. This is too stupid.

So, so stupid. I'm not even "terrorized" anymore. I'm just mad as hell.

R237 It's not working. It's backfiring.

Apart from anything else, he should have been recalled to prison for the sheer hideousness of his poetry.

[quote] I write so my words become a soothing light / I write so I can enter the coldest of hearts / I write so I can speak to those locked off / From the world engulfed in the blinding absence of sight / I write so I can express what I feel is right.

The male victim, according to his father, wore black Doc Martens. Further proof he enjoyed the homosex at least part time.

The father has written a eulogy for his son in the Guardian.

It's...odd, but everyone grieves differently I suppose.

^ Isnt it presumptuous to posit what a dead person would have wanted, even if he’s your son?

Yes - had he lived, his son may have changed his mindset due to that whole "being stabbed by a convicted terrorist" thing. People have strange reactions to grief, though.

Usman Khan's family have released a statement condemning his actions and offering condolences to the victims and their families. I feel for them if they're sincere.

If Abraham had not laid with Hagar, history would be very different, but it was foreordained that he should do so.

His family is shocked their terrorist son whose first murderous plot failed, succeeded this time? If at first you don't succeed.....

Khans MO: "which included plans to bomb the London Stock Exchange, the Houses of Parliament, the US embassy, two rabbis at two synagogues, the Dean of St Paul's Cathedral, home of then London Mayor Boris Johnson,[14][15] build a terrorist training camp in land Khan's family owns in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, attending terrorism related operational meetings, preparing to travel abroad and assisting others in travelling abroad for terrorist activities.[16][17] Khan proposed to fundraise in the UK as opposed to overseas, arguing supporters in the UK earn in a day what donors in Kashmir earn in a month. He added: "On jobseeker's allowance we can earn that, never mind working for that."

Pakistanis are the fucking WORST. No country should let them in. Even the other Muslim countries don't want them.

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And last Friday he (Khan) used his freedom to murder two young British people at the outset of their lives.

I've said for years that this country is stupidly, unforgivably naïve in the way we treat these people. People like Khan aren't just criminals. They are dedicated fanatics who must not be let out on licence.

They cannot be 'rehabilitated'. They cannot be negotiated with. Instead, their murderous ideology must be crushed and defeated.

I knew that when I stared those extremists in the face that day. I just wish our judges and others had learned it in the decade since.

Not all ex-convicts are bad:

r268 Owen Jones really wrote that shit? Jesus!

A country the size of Idaho cannot control internal terrorism. And the victims are not just British subjects (I'm waiting for the wokeys to start the flames being referred to as 'subjects.') They've got lots of resources. I don't understand. I understand immigration. I don't understand the obvious failure of law enforcement. Are they overwhelmed with other priorities. Maybe I should have just done a search, eh?

It's the fact that they think these cretins can be rehabilitated and don't keep them locked up where they belong.

Turns out he was a Beyonce fanboy.

Nothing of value is lost during this incident.

R285 Who? Usman Khan or that woke loon

[quote]Jack was proud. Jack was absorbingly intelligent. Jack was fiercely loyal. Jack loved music, art, eating good food with his family, and having more than one pint with his mates. Oh, and in case you haven’t realised by now … he was also devilishly handsome.

And Jack had common sense, less than a five-year-old boy

I feel sad for Jack's family but the issue is much bigger than Jack, them or this one incident. Muslims are killing, raping and beating their kaffir neighbors all around the world. This has been going on for 1,300 years. They are the only group doing it. The are a scourge upon humanity, especially in contemporary times. In multicultural countries, everyone is getting along pretty well. No one else is bombing, stabbing, raping, or beating their neighbors for religious reasons....except muslims. No religion or culture is hegemonic, except islam.

I think the world is waking up and the time is coming soon when we will finally fight this scourge together.

There is always conflict when Muslims live amongst another culture.

R289 Except only a minority of Muslims are going around doing this. It's a huge religion with many adherents, almost on par with Christianity. Most of these incidents are small compared to the proportion of their population. Most Muslims are no different than any other religious group. Do you act like every other religion is clean? You should read what Christians are doing in Africa and Brazil. You should also read what many Orthodox Jews do in their communities. Every religion has their stinkers and it's not fair to act like one is worse than the other.

"Most Muslims are no different than any other religious group."

Islam is probably the worst religion when it comes to women. You must be a complete misogynist to willfully ignore that. I'm sick of Muslim apologist, go fuck yourself with a chainsaw.

R292 Every religion is misogynist to women. Did you forget the Bible verse about women being silent in churches, among other stuff? Until the rise of secularism women weren't allowed to attend college or vote. You sound incapable of a rational conversation because you are bigoted and lack perspective.

r291 link stories to prove your accusations or fuck off back to your apologist safe space and stay there.

r293 citing examples of Christianity from a very long time ago is a form of whataboutism. This is 2019 we're talking about. The Islamic belief system has no place in civilized Western countries that for more than 100 years now have made great strides in equality and quality of life. It is not the West's responsibility to cater to them.

R294 Do fuck off cunt. You guys act like the world was a peaceful place until Islam when we know that's far from the truth.

All religions are bad and everybody is capable of being violent and oppressive, but that doesn't excuse Islam maintaining those violent and oppressive ideologies. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially if one wrong occurred during the Dark Ages and the other is occurring in 2019.

R295 Uganda, a Christian country, is considering the death penalty for gays. I thought Christianity loves gays though? Your post could also say Christian beliefs shouldn't be in the West. The equality and quality of life enjoyed in the West is due to secularism. But you guys hold Muslims and Christians to entirely different standards, which is a form of bigotry in itself.

R295 Uganda, a Christian country, is considering the death penalty for gays. I thought Christianity loves gays though? Your post could also say Christian beliefs shouldn't be in the West. The equality and quality of life enjoyed in the West is due to secularism. But you guys hold Muslims and Christians to entirely different standards, which is a form of bigotry in itself.

"Every religion is misogynist to women. Did you forget the Bible verse about women being silent in churches, among other stuff? Until the rise of secularism women weren't allowed to attend college or vote. You sound incapable of a rational conversation because you are bigoted and lack perspective."

Fuck off, you ignorant twat. If you are so "rational", wouldn't you know that the worst counties in the world to live in in 2019 are almost exclusively Muslim? Your "perspective" is that of deliberate misogynistic ignorance. What country in the world incarcerated raped women for "adultery"? I'm sure you know, you woman hating mongrel.

r296 That article includes exactly one person who was attacked by "an evangelical Christian", who also happened to be his cousin who had hated him for decades. The many other homophobic attacks are attributed to the Conservative government and the police's refusal to take seriously homophobic crimes.

Brazil has a reputation for tolerance that supercedes most countries in the entire world. That's why Carnival, you asshole. It's also a Christian country.

Until you can show me an Islamic country that has the equivalent to Carnival and the many Pride Marches in Brazil, there is no comparison.

R300 Shut the fuck up. You guys only care about women when it comes to the Muslims and Blacks. Don't act like nobody can see the threads where people laugh about women claiming rape and sexual assault from White non-Muslim men. Get off your high horse cunt.

I'm so sick of people using the crusades and shit as a way to justify Islamic extremism. One, you're a piece of shit for justifying violent terrorism by comparing it to another form violent terrorism. Two, if your argument in favor of a religion is comparing to compare said religion with a medieval philosophy, you've already lost.

*If your argument is to compare said religion with a medieval philosophy, sorry, my typing gets spastic when I'm angry and turns me illiterate.

It's wildly ignorant to think that it's only Muslims causing problems today. In Israel there is conflict between Orthodox and Secular Jews. Many Christian areas of Latin America, Africa, and Eastern Europe are still anti-gay and misogynist. I think people are so overwhelmed by these incidents that they lose perspective of other places.

Islam is unlike any other religion.

Just take the Salah, the ritual prayer. Described as a "physical, mental, and spiritual act of worship." The act is a series of movements and words repeated and repeated and repeated. If there's a mistake made it renders the prayer invalid and 2 prostrations have to be performed. From puberty to old age, every day, again and again, and again.

That is indoctrination and brainwashing at its zenith.

And then there's that central message. All religions have them. Islam has the worst, summed up in one word, SUBMISSION. For believers and non-believers as well.

What world wide religion can top that.

Christians realized that much of the Bible was total horseshit a very long time ago. Muslims still believe in a literal interpretation of their holy texts, that must be followed without question. Christianity got rid of that garbage centuries ago.

The average IQ in Uganda is in the low 70s.

"Shut the fuck up. You guys only care about women when it comes to the Muslims and Blacks. Don't act like nobody can see the threads where people laugh about women claiming rape and sexual assault from White non-Muslim men. Get off your high horse cunt.'

Fuck off, Islam apologist. How do you explain the mass sexual assaults in various German cities a few years ago? Around 2000 mostly Muslim men assaulted women. Name ONE incident where Jewish or Catholic men did the same in the last five years.

R309 is so deluded that he thinks the rape and sexual assault of people from priests and rabbis never happen. To him it's only evil Muslims who do everything wrong and other groups are angels. Your information is wrong by the way. This is what really happened.

i"s so deluded that he thinks the rape and sexual assault of people from priests and rabbis never happen. To him it's only evil Muslims who do everything wrong and other groups are angels. Your information is wrong by the way. This is what really happened"

Twat, name ONE incident, when 2000 priests and rabbis assaulted over one thousand women in ONE night. Come one, name ONE incident.

Click on the link you blind fucking cunt

Fuck off, you manipulative cunt, you are a Muslim liar.

Lmao, a Youtube video is your source? My link, that you obviously didn't read through because it would ruin your narrative, explained what happened by word of the victims' mouths. Now you accuse me of being a Muslim because you are a raving prejudiced lunatic. I'm an atheist you ugly cunt.

Most atheist are Muslim lover

R298, nowhere in the New Testament does it say to hate or kill anyone. Even the violence in the Old Testament is historical. Islam is the only religion founded by a mass murderer, rapists and enslaver. Only the islamic texts have a diabolical god that orders muslims to kill, rape and enslave Christians, Jews and all non-muslims. Wake the fuck up.

Classic Muslim apologist babble

"Bible said terrible things too" "How about witch burning" "How about Inquisition and Crusades?" "How about Mike Pence?"

Your own link stated that the perpetrators were North Africans speaking Arabic, and that they groped women.

Sexual assaults doubled in Bavaria between 2015 and 2016.

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R319: that is a very typical reaction of the hard left. While I do agree, it's no use inciting hate, we also must not protect violent offenders, regardless of their race.

The only thing bad about this London bridge attack was that Jack's father was not standing next to Jack at the time of the attack

"Now you accuse me of being a Muslim because you are a raving prejudiced lunatic. I'm an atheist you ugly cunt.".

You like that word, "cunt", don't you? Cunt this, cunt that. Fine intellectual and rational thinker you are. Fact is, whether you like it or not, sexual assaults have increased in all European countries with a huge influx of Muslim immigrants. One "refugee" said after raping and murdering a woman, that it was "only a woman". You probably agree with him.

If your bar for how your religion conducts itself is "what about the crusades?" then you've already lost the argument. You're basically saying "Well, in the Middle Ages Christianity committed horrible atrocities, so all of the atrocities we've committed in the 21st century are justified." and it makes both you and the religion you're defending sound like brutish, archaic, violent morons. If you have to compare your religion to 1300's Christianity to make it sound civilized you've already failed at your objective.

Please keep in mind, the Crusades were a reaction to Islamic expansion.

Sky News:

Speaking of nursing vipers, the shooter at the Pensacola Naval station was a member of the Saudi Air Force, training in aviation. Mohammad Saeed Alshamrani. “Federal law enforcement sources say he was ‘harboring anti-US and extremist views’. The FBI has not yet determined whether the shooting was terrorism-related. “

It’s not what you think, guys. He was just mistaken, shooting and killing US military. While he was living among them... why are we training these fuckheads?!

R326 Because if we don't Americans will attack us for racism, islamaphobia, what have you. The American people, thanks to Twitter and other social media platforms, have become little more than an angry lynch-mob that will cause its own downfall.

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