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The "Hotness" Paradox

Many gay men hold up the "straight jock" ideal as the ultimate definition of "hotness" and will lust after guys who look like Abercrombie and Fitch models or NFL players/truck drivers, take your pick. And that's reflected in their choice of photos for dating apps like Grindr, where backwards baseball caps and cut off workout shirts are the norm.

So given that, why do so many gay men purposely affect a look that is anything but that-- tweezed eyebrows, obvious bronzer, dyed hair, overly fussy and trendy clothing, heavy duty cologne... clearly it's not all gay guys, but certainly a sizable percentage of them.

I read so many threads on here where people are tearing apart some good looking athlete, porn star, actor or InstaHo for not conforming to that Abercrombie ideal (or for perceived flaws like "uneven nipple placement") and then I look at so many gay men and I am puzzled by the massive disconnect.

Thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 8November 25, 2019 5:40 PM

I have a serious weakness for geeks/nerds/dorks myself.

by Anonymousreply 1November 25, 2019 4:38 PM

Because they’re subconsciously adopting the demeanor of the object of desire for the straight jocks they lusted over during their formative years: hot high-school girls.

by Anonymousreply 2November 25, 2019 4:38 PM

LOL R2, there's probably a lot of truth to that.

by Anonymousreply 3November 25, 2019 4:39 PM

OP, I may lust after Big Moose, but that does not mean I want to BE him. I want to be Midge Klump!

by Anonymousreply 4November 25, 2019 4:42 PM

We already have huge previous threads on this topic. Do a search dude

by Anonymousreply 5November 25, 2019 4:44 PM

Many of us understand that we will never have the jock look. We embrace who we are

by Anonymousreply 6November 25, 2019 4:45 PM

OP, I think there's a flaw in what you write but it's understandable. Media imagery has emphasized youth and beauty since the 1960s. That doesn't represent the actual tastes of society as much as it reflects the bias of the company paying for the advertising. It's not a surprise when you see certain chains perpetually using extremely young looking, white men who reflect this. It has little to do with the market segmentation and analysis as much as it reflects the personal bias of whoever holds the contract for crafting the media. This can be conscious or unconscious bias at work.

Whether gay or straight, there are idealizations of the male form that are used in negative ways, similar to how women have been treated since the first serious boom in marketing in the 1950s. Women have perpetually been idealized as rail thin, overly emphatic on expensive dress, hair and makeup regardless of the obtuseness of the image's setting. Women glamping in couture with perfect hair early in the morning? Sure. Why not. Advertising doesn't represent reality, so often as it represents our self idealization and dysmorphia. Men get the same treatment now, which leaves out Asians, African-Americans, Native American, Middle Eastern and Hispanic/Latino men.

I suggest what you see on the apps are men attempting to reflect what they also perceive as the idealization of male attractiveness. It looks stilted and phony. I'm a certified DLEG so my pictures are .. me. They might be nicer pictures because selfies usually are terrible but they're not retouched and my stats are excruciatingly accurate. I get a lot of interest from much younger men, although my preference is 40's to 50s. I suspect I present confidence and that's actually attractive to a lot of men.

Mother's advice to "be yourself" is pretty good, especially as you get older. The people tearing apart representations of men? I think it's body dysmorphia: it's the negative reflection of what they hate about themselves when looking at someone otherwise unattainable.

by Anonymousreply 7November 25, 2019 4:50 PM

OP do you ever do anything besides bash on other gay men?

by Anonymousreply 8November 25, 2019 5:40 PM
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