Jackie’s iconic pink Chanel suit from November 22, 1963? A knock-off!

But Chanel did not design the blood stains. That was Jackie's own chic touch.

I wonder why she had the suit copied, rather than just buying the Chanel suit.

If Chanel approved it as the article says, what's the big deal.

R2, due to the prices. People would not dare believe them even today. I know...

It was designed to go from day to evening....

Why would Chanel approve? Just for Jackie?

They revealed this years ago

I'm not keen on the pink suit, actually. Jackie usually wore much more elegant outfits than that one.

R6, partially true, but it's true what Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles said that most tAmericans do not read.

I think that it had more to do with the fact that she was First Lady. As the wife of the POTUS, she was expected to support American designers and clothes manufacturers by wearing only American made fashions. Then Mrs. Kennedy's famous suit was Chanel in every possible way except for carrying the name "Chanel." Not a "knock-off" as one might assume, but rather a "work-around."

"Hello, Coco? Jackie. I'm dying to get into a few of your beautiful suits, but I'll get my tits caught in a wringer if I wear anything other than American. HELP!"

"Je ne le ferais jamais, mais pour vous, Jackie, je le ferai. Portez mon costume avec une étiquette américaine attachée. Au revoir mon amour."

Chanel licensed copies if it's clothes to Ohrbach's. Other French fashion houses did too.

Example:

Chez Ninon

R9, bon! Chez Ninon of New York made the copy. Due to precisely what you said, Oleg Cassini (who had become an American citizen) was Jackie's "official" couturier. The nasty witch and social climber Joan Rivers claimed that at a dinner party, she sat next to Jackie, who told her this: Go to the young ladies' department and get a tight sweater to show of your assets: "No boobies, no rubies."

Jackie did NOT marry Onassis for money. She married him for security, not financial security. They are different. After RFK died in 1968: "If they're killing Kennedys, my children are Number One targets." Onassis had a private island a security force far better than the U.S. Secret Service. She and Onassis were spotted (and possibly photographed) making love on his private beach, which infuriated her.

Oh, r10, look at what you made me do!

The suit was 3 years old many snaps oh her wearing it. She told friends JFK specifically requested she wear it in Dallas. And yes the pillbox has disappeared.

Yeah, it's old news that much of what she wore as first lady was copied by American designers from the European designers she preferred.

She had to be all USA as part of the role.

I'm more shocked that it was from two seasons prior! Faux pas!

R13, who are you, Jackie's PR agent? Yeah, that's what she put out there, but if you really believe that, I've got this great bridge for sale.

Speaking of moneymaking, if we're sealing up clothes with Presidential personal fluids on them, Monica Lewinsky really overlooked a goldmine, didn't she?

Chanel suits are timeless, r16.

R17, no, I'm an historian

I'm intrigued, r15. That pink pillbox hat is an icon that should be preserved at the Smithsonian.

[quote] The nasty witch and social climber Joan Rivers claimed that at a dinner party, she sat next to Jackie, who told her this: Go to the young ladies' department and get a tight sweater to show of your assets: "No boobies, no rubies."

Yeah, that sounds likely.

R15, R20, the pink pillbox hat was last photographed being held by Jackie's personal assistant, Mary B. Gallagher. She violated a confidentiality agreement by writing a book about her time with the Kennedys. To the best of my knowledge, before the pink suit was donated to the National Archives II, it was stored in Jackie's mother's home for many years in a special container. People must understand that deeds-of-gifts to NARA are private agreements that have nothing to do with government; they're personal legal agreements by which the National Archive must abide.

Regarding Jackie's financial affairs with Onassis, he basically cut off her credit after he went mad after his son's accidental death, which he wrongly blamed on a non-existent "Kennedy curse." Jackie only received about 3% of Onassis' estate, which was "nothing" to a lady like her.

Gen Xer

The nasty witch and social climber Joan Rivers claimed that at a dinner party, she sat next to Jackie, who told her this: Go to the young ladies' department and get a tight sweater to show of your assets: "No boobies, no rubies."

Oh FFS, she was a comedian, she made things up for humour.

None of this is new information. You'd shit yourself OP if you knew her pearls were also knock offs!

R23, hopefully you know that Joan was a friend and supporter of Donald Trump? I just tell the truth as I see it. Based on photos I've seen, her quote may be true.

r25 you make no sense. Yes, she was a friend of Trump, a republican. And Jackie was a democrat, You honestly think Jackie said 'No boobies, no rubies' to Joan Rivers? Oh Christ, you know nothing about Jackie or Joan.

[quote]But Chanel did not design the blood stains. That was Jackie's own chic touch

More like Jack's.

R26, you are incorrect. Jackie's relatives were all Republicans. We don't know how Jackie voted other than for her husband. Today, most states' voter registrations are public records. You apparently don't read as former DCI Allen Dulles said. I said Joan's alleged quote MAY be true. You obviously haven't heard private recordings of Jackie. Your comments prove your ignorance. I just tell the truth and separate emotions from fact, which most people can't. I'm not going to violate Jack's and Jackie's memories on this date by having a spitting contest on the internet.

Gen Xer

Gen Xer

"Historian" isn't a synonym for "credibility," R19.

R29, I read the Government Printing Office edition of the Warren Commission Report when I was age 12. What did you do of accomplishment at that age?

[quote]She married him for security, not financial security.

Funny that just 10 years later you could spot Jackie walking alone all over Midtown, Central Park and the UES.

R31, her concern was her children, not herself.

"If you bungle raising your children properly, then nothing else you do matters." JBK

r31, ten years later the Kennedy killing fad was well over.

Any mishaps afterwards were their own doing.

Oy vey, Jackie married Onassis in October, 1968. MLK was assassinated in April, 1968. RFK was assassinated in June, 1968. The Tet Offensive occurred in Vietnam in January. 1968 was the worse year in American history. Caroline was 11 and John Junior was 7 when Jackie married Onassis in October. Don't any of you people go to school?!

Gen Xer

R33, my comment at R34 is not personal, but was intended as a reply to for you.

People were threatening the lives of Jackie's children!

Jackee' O'Nastius

Thanks, r34. Whenever I think today is bad, I remember 1968. Nothing comes close to that time—yet.

R36, that is fake and tasteless, as I'd expect of many commenters on the DL.

William Greer, the driver of SS-100-X, did not have a hat, sunglasses, or a 'stache

R28, we know that she voted for John Anderson in 1980. After the bruising primary campaign between Ted & Jimmy Carter, it’s been reported that none of the Kennedys could vote for Carter in his race against Reagan.

The bloodstains were OK. But the little bits of Jack's brain were the best.

The Jackie Onassis obsessed aspie who believes Jackie said 'No boobies, no rubies." to Joan Rivers needs to take a valium and have a lie down. And it is YOU who hasn't read anything about Jackie if you believe 'No boobies, no rubies' would ever come out of her mouth however I realise people with autism don't understand sarcasm and irony and have strange obsessions and compulsions. Joan was being humorous, i.e. making shit up.

You really think Jackie sat next to Joan and confided in her after all the nasty shit Joan used to say about Jackie?

Asperger's syndrome is fabricated and was removed from the DSM. Your ignorance is demonstrated again if you think one should take a pill when he has stress. The dinner party can be investigated since Joan mentioned specific other guests. YOU are the one making up stuff. The word MAY can't be more clear unless English Is not your native language -- I see you are not American and are clueless. Now please get over it and move on.

R41, R43 is for you, now go home and go to bed, please

I read the Government Printing Office edition of the Warren Commission Report when I was age 12. What did you do of accomplishment at that age?

Oh sweetie, you were a precocious little queen who read something you wouldn't have understood at the time, it wasn't an accomplishment. Did you have any friends when you were 12, at all? Do you have any friends now?

Many sufferers of autism reach adulthood without a diagnosis or believe anything is wrong with them. A lot also have a superiority complex. Sad really.

The fact that you're even prepared to entertain the idea of Jackie Onassis confiding in Joan Rivers and saying something as crass as 'No boobies, no rubies,' especially when Joan was apt to make such vulgar statements as jokes, explains you're unhinged. Jackie didn't even confide in some of her closest of friends. Joan used to say the most crudest of things about Jackie and Jackie cut people off for the smallest of misdemeanours. Your ad hominem attacks would also suggest you're not the professional you profess to be.

The suit was a classic but blood on raspberry? Guess JFK liked the suit though and maybe thought the color would POP as they rode down the street. Talk about making a splash!

Anyway, somebody somewhere snatched that hat at Parkland (with her hair strands on it) and a family member is waiting for the day to come to sell it. It's worth a fortune.

R48, the hat was photographed in Mary Gallagher's hand long after the Kennedy party left Parkland hospital

Thanks, R49. I didn't know that.

R47, I'm an amateur historian with a college education. I won't have my credentials assaulted. I give everyone the maximum latitude.. I already called out Mrs. Rosenberg as a cad. You require a chill pill. I don't make personal attacks. If you start it and can't take the pain, then please stay home. As a dear, departed friend of mine said of his 89 years, "Most people are no damned good."

[quote] it was stored in Jackie's mother's home for many years in a special container.

Tupperware.

[quote]r5 Why would Chanel approve? Just for Jackie?

Chanel approved the use of her patterns and sent the right fabric, buttons etc. for the Chez Ninon business in NYC. Jackie wasn't the only one who bought that suit; it was available to all.

[quote]Chez Ninon was the domain of Nona McAdoo Park and Sophie Meldrim Shonnard, with silent partner Alisa Mellon Bruce, according to Bill Cunningham in "Bill on Bill." As an exclusive salon, they counted many of the New York social elite as clients. Greater fame came with Jacqueline Kennedy’s business, but they were well known long before 1960 for their exquisite line-for-line custom copies of French couture dresses done in the same fabrics, trims and even buttons. These were not rip-offs, but approved copies.

[quote]They started the business in 1928 at 500 Madison Ave. In those early decades, they were “known as the shop for off-the-beaten-track Paris originals” (New York Fashion: the Evolution of American Style) including Babani and Schiaparelli. Jean Schumberger designed for them in the 1940s. By 1960, they had moved to Park Ave. Elizabeth Corbett, a former model for the salon, continued the tradition of couture copies when she took over the reins in 1970. By the 1980s, she had moved the salon to the Ritz Towers.

[quote]From the The Milwaukee Journal of Nov 8, 1971: [italic]“Chez Ninon was owned and run for some 40s years by Mrs. Nona Park and Mrs. Sophie Shonnaud. … Miss Corbett now 31, explained she made her first buying trip to Europe in 1965 when Mrs. Park had a stroke and Mrs. Shonnard needed some assistance. …….. Corbett buys a total of about 50 designs and enough original fabric to make 4 copies, plus some additional material she feels will appeal to certain clients. When the collection is ready, it is shown in the salon at an invitation only opening and then every day thereafter at 3 pm”.[/italic]

[quote]Elizabeth Corbett retired in 1996, closing Chez Ninon.

What is it with Caroline keeping the suit from (maybe) getting a public view until 2103 ? She's such a prissy old cunt.

Ooh, how impressive, R30. I was accepted to Harvard and I composed my first piano concerto. Fuck YOU, amateur!

Girls, girls! We're supposed to be talking about Jackie's outfit! Can't you disagree about that at least?

R51, your departed friend was talking about you. Probably died to get away from you.

Nah, R56, beating up the so-called "historian" is more fun.

I can imagine that Caroline wouldn't be too comfortable with macabre thrill-seekers getting their kicks looking at the suit her mother wore, stained with her father's blood and brain matter. I wouldn't say that made her a "prissy old cunt", r54

My theory: Leaving aside Jackie’s political needs, the Chez Ninon arrangement was about tariffs.

R60, yes, that would've been huge

FUCK Chez Ninon! Fuck them right in the ASS!

R62, LOL

Chanel suits make all women look old. I've remember seeing JLO 20 years ago in a Chanel suit. Lots of chains but the same suit. Beige with black trim? She looked slightly better than Jackie. And JLO was never such a whore. Nice suits yeah I guess. But that ain't a cool look for a woman, which is why we never see them anymore. The OG ones on thin women from the 1930s were pretty cool. Perfectly made suits that hangs off a woman's body like a gown. But that's not how JKO looked. Moldy looking jackets and straight skirts. Pink boucle. Pill box hats. Huge feet, helmut hair and ugly jewelry. Jackie Kennedy was a word she would hate - TRENDY.

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