Bathhouses

They are STD pits for man that value temporary fun over their health. Those bathhouse squatters, men way past their prime lurking in dark corners for any attention, are a real turn off. Many of them seem to have the same M.O., sit in the dark and wait for someone to pass by before sticking out their younger “seductively”. So gross.

Granted, some couples will go for the thrill, but the scene is very sad. Add the camera culture to the mix and even entering or leaving the place can be a risk.

Why spend time paying and going to a bathhouse when you can lod up your phone and pic your men like meat in the grocery store? Most are flaky, but at least it’s free and you get a variety of options.

In Europe they are still popular and not only for old. The US is what is going to go away and yes, maybe the bath house with it.

All things in life are in transition. Don't cling to things.

OP agree met some fascinating guys and had great conversations. Saved time as everyone was there for the one reason and you just got down to business. In Europe the culture is somewhat different to the US we have a huge mix of body types and ages. Still go and enjoy myself.

R1, too many of these on Grindr and other hookup sights are really looking for boyfriends/husbands, which explains why they're so flaky: they're actually looking for Mr. Right, not Mr. Right Now.

Granted, there are a lot of old trolls at a bathhouse, but the guys there are Mr. Right Now and absolutely no one is looking for their future husband in these places.

And NB dollface @R1, you can pick up an STD just as easily from a Grindr hookup as you can from an anonymous bathhouse tryst. Don't die trying to kid yourself.

Would it have killed you to have at least posted a picture or link OP? Would it? I mean would that have really been so hard? Would it? Why don’t you try to think more of others next time before you post? What's your problem? I mean really, what's your damn problem?

[R5] Have to say, I’ve met some husband worthy men in bathhouses, just wasn’t the right time.

I have never been to the baths or saunas, as they are not my thing but you can find them in Philadelphia, NYC, ATL, SF, in Toronto and Montreal, and almost all European cities.

Bitch, please. All I've ever done is walk laps while wearing a towel, silently judging other customers, avoiding the buffet, and leaving disappointed.

r8 There haven't been any bathhouses in San Francisco since the '80s.

Interesting that Philadelphia’s is still going strong. Right in Center City.

Bring them back!!!!

Bathhouses are a mecca for people to go hide out and do drugs or get drunk (because hotels can spot a junkie a mile away)

As long as their are addicts, there will be bathhouses.

I have enjoyed them in the past but haven’t gone recently because most trips there have been pretty disappointing.

Yes there are fewer men and most are older, but if you meet the right guys, it can still be loads of fun.

Are bathhouses doing so badly that they’re actually going out of business? I haven’t heard of any closing

[R9] Bitch, please. We are not responsible for your happiness. That's a "YOU" problem!

R10 is the bath house in Berkeley still around? I remember an acquaintance went there while traveling in the early 2010s, but he just said he would get sucked and piss on men there.

R13, when my friend was visiting Philadelphia we met some guy in a bar who told my friend he should instead of staying in a hotel, get a room in a bath house and just stay there. That obviously did not happen and the bath house that R11 mentions is apparently very dirty-I have heard that they just let men piss in the main walkway-and there have been overdoses there.

My ex who is bisexual talked about going to bath houses in a large southern city in the mid through late 1980s when HIV/AIDS was very new and how they had masturbation only events. I asked him what the baths were like as I have never been to them and he said I am not missing much. Another bisexual friend talked about going to some bath house in Atlanta in the late 1980s that had reptiles in terreraiums in it and how he fucked some random guy without condoms. I do not like sex with strangers so I don't go to the baths or on apps.

R16, Yes, Steamworks Berkeley is still open

[R16] bless your heart.

R16, you seem to have memorized only the worst things about bathhouses. The experience is what you make of it. No one forced you to do anything.

^forces

Sounds like [R16] is closed for business.

I used to spend a lot of time in St. Louis on a long term assignment. During the summer, I would often spend the weekend there, rather than travel home and back.

The Club St. Louis bathhouse was a great place to spend a summer day. They had a full gym with free weights, machines and cardio equipment, an outdoor pool and on weekends, a free barbecue. The client base skewed older but they were a congenial crowd. Far more often than not, I'd wouldn't hook up, but just work out, swim, sit on the sun deck. and chat up locals The place was very clean and the employees nice enough. Overall, a very pleasant experience.

The best bath house I've ever been to is Steamworks Chicago. It's been over a decade since I've been--is it still functioning with high standards.

The worst are NYC's bathhouses. I dont think they've ever been renovated or the carpets ever changed

I was in chicago for ten days and had to go to steamworks. I had a blast. I wouldn't go very often if I lived in chicago but it's fun for a treat.

Never really did the bathhouse circuit, but have enjoyed some fun stuff in men's rooms, bookstores and a park or two.

It's all going away for a few reasons.

(1) Most younger gay men are too shy or just don't understand the little dance that happens when you're cruising.

(2) Most of the remaining hot, normalish guys who would seek out that kind of fun have all gone onto apps to find dick now.

(3) The remaining patrons of such places are those too high, whacked out or desperate to be elsewhere, thus scaring off many who might be curious.

I like my gentleman callers to be freshly bathed

Chicago Steamworks has a great assortment of guys because Chicago is such a national hub. Lots of them are hunky mid-western types and very friendly, unlike in NYC

I met my husband at the Unicorn in Chicago (now called Steamworks).

Every time I go past Eros in SF I look to see if there's anyone going in or coming out. Usually, there isn't, but when I do see someone it's no one I would ever cruise if we passed each other on the sidewalk. So I've never darkened Eros's rather shabby-looking door. I'd rather go to its neighbors -- a very nice dispensary and a Whole Foods.

I met a hunky chiropractor at a bathhouse and we dated for about 6 months, but I lived in Arkansas and he lived in Wyoming. c. 1981

Here in Europe there are big active clean bath houses where you can find all ages and types of men. Always surprised how many young good looking guys with amazing bodies you see. Maybe they enjoy being watched and admired. They are horny and willing to do lots of things. In Paris Barcelona Madrid Berlin Rome just to mention few cities.

Doesn't Steamworks Chicago have warnings that they have cameras set up everywhere?

As far as I could tell, based on befriending a guy who worked the door at the last bathhouse in my town before it finally folded, they were pretty much just places for closeted guys with wives/families to meet up and fuck each other. It only seems natural that apps/craigslist/etc took their place. Nobody under 40 is likely to ever miss them.

I’d love to know how r3 gets through life without “clinging to things.”

Batthouses were a 7,000-year-old tradition for gay men. Then social networking was invented and it disappeared almost overnight.

We’ve lost socialization, dancing and music in favor of carfish, stalling, home, property and I.D. endangerment. To say nothing of government and corporate spying. Two of the governments hoovering your data are hostile toward gays, too — Russia and China.

Bathouses may be going away but Korean spas are still very active.

[quote] As far as I could tell, based on befriending a guy who worked the door at the last bathhouse in my town before it finally folded, they were pretty much just places for closeted guys with wives/families to meet up and fuck each other. It only seems natural that apps/craigslist/etc took their place.

But now that Craigslist Personals is defunct, I would imagine that gave a boost to bathhouses.

Does anyone know of bathhouses actually going out of business and closing?

In NYC, I would imagine the real estate is so expensive that they could easily sell the places.

I had a whole lot of fun in them in NYC in the 70s. Wouldn't change a thing. No one knew about HIV of course- lots of celebrities, rich kids (preppies), old guys, Europeans and tourists, closeted types- who cares? It was wild and it was fun. I never just lurked, did the deed and slinked away- I talked, got names when I could, laughed carried on and often went with friends. Different places attracted different crowds like the bars at the time- and they were a gas too. Bar hopping on the Village was an entire activity, loads of them. Sometimes I wouldn't make it home till Mon am- after a burgher in David's Pots Belly at 5 am. I made lots of friends along the way. Hard to relate how free wheeling, and just fun it all was. Even innocent, although for some serious business- not me.

Of course, r37.

The Hollywood Spa in L.A. closed several years ago and broke my heart.

It was an immaculate, epic palace. Pools, jacuzzis, steam rooms, saunas, dark glory hole and sling mazes, lounges, private rooms; even a cafe and game room. And ALL types went there — lots of military.

I heard the two biggest bathhouses in San Diego I once enjoyed closed, too.

I don’t live in CA, but the bathhouses and porn theaters made me want to move there. Not so much anymore.

The dreary bathhouse in my mid-size town closed about a decade ago. I went to FLEX spas in Cleveland in 2016. It was old trolls only. Seriously, nobody under about 48 except for me and the busted twink on the door. I think the only people who use them anymore are seniors who remember pre-internet culture. They’re the only ones in ALL the cruisy areas.

The last time I went to a bathhouse was some dump in Vegas. It had like, 5 guests. Two of them were young but ugly junkies.

These places used to attract EVERYONE.

Didn't the Hollywood Spa close because it had become a drug den? Needles everywhere and there was a drug bust there the day before it closed? Or was that a different one?

Roman Holiday in Venice, CA is a great place to go after a day in Santa Monica or Marina del Rey at the beach. Spend some time on the roof deck and in the steam room, met some really hot guys there. Drive back home, pick up a bottle of wine and relax afterwards.

R31, the big bathhouse in Madrid, paraiso or something, was chattier and more social On a Sunday morning than any brunch palace in NYC

R27 I did my first double penetration there. Me and another guy walking around found this tweaked out 30 something total muscle bottom all alone in his room. He was upset that nobody would play with him. We walked in, shut the door, got him in between us and went to town on that beautiful tight hole. Still remember that night fondly.

I used to stay in some of them in the nineties when my work might only have me in town for one night. I was in my early twenties and never really had high expectations because it would be during the week.

But sometimes.......

r43 That was you? Thanks.

R42 yes, Sunday afternoon’s at Thermos in Amsterdam we’re always quite busy and tons of hot European guys with those delicious big uncut Dutch dicks. A weiner wonderland for this young and curious American.

R43 did it occur to you that there was a reason no one was playing with him?

R46, wieners, yes. But in Madrid they are all chatty cathys having a GAY old time yacking and drinking sparkling wine together.

What celebrities did you see at bathhouses? What were they doing?

SF bathhouses are closed, but Steamworks Berkeley is open and Water Garden in San Jose and Grand Central Sauna offer some Bay area bathhouse experiences.

"Doesn't Steamworks Chicago have warnings that they have cameras set up everywhere?"

Don't know about that,. but the one time I was there, they searched the gym bag I was carrying.

It's interesting that bathhouses seem to still be going strong in Europe but not in the U.S. because, presumably, young guys in Europe would also be hooking up using online apps too. I'm wondering why the difference.

[R52] I hate to admit it, but Americans have a need for instant gratification, while Europeans can relax and take their time. Americans also have laundry lists of sexual preferences and deal breakers, unlike Europeans who can usually just have fun.

Bathhouses are fantastic. I wish they’d make a come back.

R52, most likely because public baths have a long history in Europe... not so much the US.

Didn't the panic-driven and sometimes hysterical media reports about MRSA (about a decade ago?? put a damper on business?

STD's are one thing, but the idea of coming down with a very sudden flesh-eating disease is another.

There are two Korean spas in LA that are really nice with all new amenities and are basically wink wink gay bathhouses. If NY is so great then why such awful bathhouses?

NY has had a ton of gyms with MRSA issues.

There are a ton of K-Spas in LA that are essentially sex clubs.

Which are you referring to, R57?

R57, where are these bathhouses located? Asking for a friend

r57 Answer to your question: Most of NY is a dump with shitty landlords who don't take care of their buildings.

R9, there's a buffet! Why didn't I know about this.

BRING BACK THE BATH HOUSES.

Los Angeles still has Midtowne Spa.

There's also FlexSpa. I guess they're still in business.

And 1350 Club in Wilmington (L.A., not Delaware or North Carolina.)

Over in The Valley, there's the North Hollywood Spa.

I think North Hollywood Spa is still around.

Some of the ones that have disappeared: Corral Club, Hollywood Spa, Melrose Baths

Can any kind strangers give me the names of some bathhouses in the DC area?

All you mincing queens are wrong. Bathhouses and bookstores have been experiencing a renaissance in several cities, due to the end of Craigslist personals, and because many guys are tired of not getting laid on the apps. The bathhouses that close do usually because of issues such as loss of a lease or sale of the property.

I don't particularly care for bathhouses, but the ones I've been to in the past 2 yrs - 3 times total - were busy, with a mix of men of all types. The vibe was friendly, and the drug users kept to themselves in a couple private rooms. And I got laid with no problem, which is very unlike the apps, where I could probably be logged on for days straight without any action.

R68 The Crew Club

If you're not getting laid using an app, you must be old or ugly

When I “sex toured” San Francisco in the 90s, there were awesome sex clubs like the Power Exchange, where I found several young, hotties.

It was a multi-story warehouse with a dance floor and many themes rooms you could get lost in.

The last I heard, it was being used as a “Swinger’s Club” for straight people.

Eeew!

R68 There was also a place in D.C. called "The Glorious Health Club" that was closed in March due to code violations. They updated their website on November 12 saying they were still temporarily closed and having problems with "DCRA inspection protocols." .. Apparently, not so "glorious."

Promo for Pleasuredrome in London

OP, they have disappeared in the US only, not continental Europe or Asia. They are still going strong. I wish we had these types of gay bathhouses in the US, a place to relax, meet people for chats or more, some food, drinks.... a real men's club.

They’re also big in the larger cities of Brazil. Some are your normal type bathhouse, others are more like brothels - you pay to get in, and then there’s a line up of some of the most gorgeous men alive and you and your pick of sex worker get to negotiate the price of what you what done, presumably the bathhouse gets no cut of the sex worker’s price.

Club San Diego is still in business. Looks like they try to push special nights. "After Worship Sundays" ?? How funny.

Oddly, I never consider going to the bathhouses in England. I feel the English share the same disdain about sex and homosexuality as my native United States and the bathhouses will be be dreary, depressing, dirty and angry. However, whenever I get to continental Europe, Japan or Taiwan, I find the nearest bathhouse. In some cities, there are favorite ones. Before you call me a whore, I go to the bathhouses mainly for a good water/bathing experience, food, feeling a sense of community, and conversation, the sex is a nice bonus.

I also wish in the US we still had dedicated mineral springs or even just dedicated bathing places. Iceland was the best for mineral springs/bathing places. Every neighborhood in Reykjavik has one and people go every day, the same is true for many parts of Japan. People socialize there but even more the experience releases endorphins that create a basic buzz and a sense of calm. In Reykjavik, I went to the one behind the national cathedral near my hotel. It was a beautiful, spotless, large 1920s building. I sat in the hot tub on the balcony, outside, chatted with several people then sat out on the balcony in 40 degree weather in just a bathing suit....it was an experience near that of MDMA.

Oldie thread! Move on!

Club San Diego is the only bathhouse in San Diego. We used to have four bathhouses, now we're down to one. Earlier this spring, there was an electrical fire at Club San Diego. The place was closed for months. I thought is would close permanently, but the owners fixed the problem and spruced up the place. I wouldn't call it a remodel--it's not. But last month, it did reopen. I hope the place makes it and does well. I hate Grindr and other hook-up apps. It's nice to have a place where you can escape from reality and meet other gay men in person and decide whether or not you're interested--and not meet on your phone. The new prices at Club San Diego are rather high. As I said, I hope the newly-reopened place makes it. It may be too pricey for the desired younger clientele, but it's nice to have it back in business. Good luck!

Has anyone been to the Duluth Family Sauna and its "Bullpen" for men only?

My young friends report bathhouses are doing fine in Europe. I'm too old to know. 20 years ago, I was having a good time.

europeans, and asians for that matter too, have a culture for going to bathhouses, even as straights or families. north americans don't - the culture is too fringe

[R83] Isn’t Mexico technically in North America? Mexicans loooove bathhouses, as seen in the bathhouses of Los Angeles.

What is The Zone in LA? A bathhouse or just straight up sex club?

Once I saw a passle of winged angels come fluttering out of a joint. Was that a bathhouse?

Bathhouses are/were a lot more satisfying than Grindr. Guys are already there in front of you, naked and ready to play. You can have sex with just one, or dozens of men if you desire. The options are endless. Plus, having all those naked guys in the showers and steamroom is just hot. It's a fantasy sex world.

People talk about the convenience of hookup apps, but I don't want strange men coming into my house. I've had much wilder and satisfying sex in a bathhouse than from any Grindr hookup.

R85 Just a sex club. Some photos at link.

I think they are good in Midwestern towns where the options are limited and where married guys can go for sex. Like Cleveland. Also cities that haven’t been gentrified / sanitized / monetized to death - like SF and NY (and soon LA)

Bathhouse, St. Petersburg, Russia ca.1910.

Check out that guy's ass to the far left pouring the water over the other guy's head!

R81 Yes I have been to the Duluth Family sauna many times.

Almost all married men, most are bottoms so I fuck them.

Admittedly my predominant experience of bathhouses are from pre-Grindr days and European ones, but I always liked them and have met/had sex with some of the hottest guys in my life in those environments. Yes they can be hit and miss, but there's no obligation to have sex with anyone if you don't want to and I would say I didn't more times than I did when I went.

It's just fun sometimes to be in an all-male gay/bi environment, with a horny, sexually-charged atmosphere and just chill out, watch some porn and jerk off with other men, relax in the steam/sauna etc. Some places have more of a friendly chatty vibe than others, one I used to go to in Vauxhall, London was all eye contact and cruising but I've been to ones where guys are happy to just chat, especially in lounge areas where no sex is permitted.

I have also been somewhat of an exhibitionist so getting in/out of a hot tub naked and showering with various men watching can be an erotic thrill all of it's own, which can't really be created in the same way in any other environment.

Glad they’re going away. I would have chosen to forget about all together except they’re frequently a thread topic that n the DL.

The “bathhouses” in NYC, if you even want to call them that, are filthy rats nests. I went to the West Side Club once a few years ago and as horrified that how disgusting it was. However, there are other options outside the city. There’s a Korean spa in Palisades Park right over the George Washington bridge that is basically a bathhouse. There are no actual Koreans there (except for the one attendant who doesn’t bother you) and literally everyone who is there is there for sex. I’ve had some wild times there. The crowd is mixed and the trolls can be a little annoying, but for $25 it’s worth it for sure. It’s called Star Spa.

Special star

Club Dallas is still going strong. Recently renovated and new steam/sauna/pool area.

R93 now if only the magic power that forces you in to these threads about them and also compels you to participate in the discussion would go away!

R90 Hard to believe today but Russian high society was very open minded and gay friendly before the revolutions. Gay relationships were no secret.

St. Petersburg still has a very popular gay bath. Russians love to get fucked.

r99, you take that back!!!

Troy, New York (just next to Albany, NY) has a small but really clean, welcoming bathhouse. Nice mix of college guys and older gents there. Lots of married guys.

As has been noted previously on DL, an inordinate number of men in the Albany area have monster cocks, for some reason.

[quote]I wish we had these types of gay bathhouses in the US, a place to relax, meet people for chats or more, some food, drinks.... a real men's club.

A real men's club that is also place to relax, meet people for chats or more, some food, drinks could be the key to bathhouses surviving in the U.S.  One of these days, some millennial or Gen Z will come up with the brilliant idea of opening a "real men's club" thinking that they thought up the idea of a place for men to gather for sex, relaxation and socialization.  Of course, the idea wouldn't have started with them,  but I am all in favor of whatever helps bathhouses in the U.S. survive.  Grindr is no substitute and never will be.

The irony is human rights laws may prohibit men only spaces. I go to an all male B&B in Vermont where the law lets you be a sole sex venue if you keep occupancy low... twelve or so. I agree men AND women should have their own facilities if they so elect. Equality kinda buggered that up in a lot of instance.

Uh, oh, the MRA trolls have invaded.

As have the 80-year-olds looking to complain about millennials and Gen Z in a thread that's not about them

R95 Super Star !!!!

It won't be possible R102 someone will sue it for not being inclusive.

R106, private clubs can be exclusive to men. Women who want to join may throw up a media fuss, but there is no legal demand that you must integrate unless you get federal funds.

That said, I certainly don't see women bang down bathhouse doors to be part of the fun.

r106 is probably Devin Nunes - rightwinger complaining about lawsuits but suing everyone in sight

R102 I've read that Club St. Louis markets itself that way. It's apparently one of the last remaining ones that had it's origin in the very large Club Bath Chain (CBC), which had over 40 locations in the U.S. and Canada at one time. Now in its sixth decade of business ....

There are so many women only gyms in the US (And Germany). Russia has men only gyms and they are good gyms with great sauna and a relax room where you can fuck Russian ass.

I don't think men are allowed to join "Curves" .. lol!

Are most bathhouses owned by the mob?

The River Street Club in Troy, NY, was renovated in August. It's in great shape now. Lots of great dick to be enjoyed there.

The new coworking space/club for women, the Wing, recently had to adjust its policy to allow men.

r111 . . . because women don't want to be around other women.

I saw a woman at Midtown Spa in LA once who tried to pass as a guy. She had a thick "It's Pat" body type and walked around fully dressed wearing a baseball hat, obviously assuming no one suspected and getting off on it. But female bodies and behavior stand out among men in towels.

Can we get a tip on a St. Petersburg bath house or male gym? Asking for a friend that might be visiting in 2020.

When I think of bath houses, I see Roger Stones face

They are just called Fitness club in St. Petersburg.

There is a resting area off of the sauna where the sex happens.

Years ago, I went to one in Tampa which had some hot guys who were also very nice. I met a guy who was studying to become a minister. He gave me a ride back to my hotel.

I thought being gay in Russia had taken a turn for the worse, and also become dangerous. Yet there seem to be tons of young bi Russian men on Chaturbate for all their comrades to identify. They seem friendly, not dumb, and not piggy. If I were young, I would definitely check out sex in city like St Petersburg.

When I was young and fuckable, my favorite destinations for culture and SEX A GOGO were London, Paris and Vienna.

London and Paris had revolting saunas but the sex was hot in the London saunas. Paris had sex clubs which were absolutely filthy, and very hot sex. Switzerland had clean, good saunas and many many MANY parks for open-air sex and since it was Switzerland, one felt safe. That's all a distant memory now.

So what you're saying R108, is that critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

There is/was a bathhouse in Atlanta that was always packed on Friday nights, usually with married men.

During the rest of the week it was hit or miss and most people would drive by, check the parking lot, and drive off if it wasn't packed.

Steamworks Chicago as a young 20 yr old kid from small town Iowa on a wrestling scholarship to Northwestern - first time I swallowed and first time I ever heard the term spit roasted. It was a whole new world for me sexually. And boy did I enjoy it. Me and a friend would make weekly trips down from Evanston to experience sex in the city.

Someone asked if there were cameras at Steamworks Chicago. I don't know if they still have them, but there definitely were cameras about two years ago.

If you had a private room you could flip channels and watch who was coming in, as well as a video feed of the locker room, as well as all of the play areas.

The idea behind this was probably to allow allow someone in a room to watch and if something looked interesting, they could go out and participate.

I always thought it was a bit creepy and have no idea if they were recording. I wouldn't doubt that they were because there were signs at the entrance that warned you that there was video surveillance and by entering you acknowledged... blah blah blah.

I used to enjoy one (Steamworks, I think) in Portland. Good mix of spaces and men. I'm usually into twinks but I remember one construction worker daddy wearing only a cockring while lying on a chaise lounge on the patio. I gobbled his cock. Eros SF? Most annoying fuck of my life happened there. A Chinese guy stalked me through the mazes. I finally agreed to fuck him in the sling -- hard and without lube. I remember being fascinated by his mushroom head. It was a "you wanna be fucked -- ok, I'll fuck you fuck." The dude hugged me when he got out of the sling. I'm thinking of tying Midtowne Spa in Los Angeles; I'd like to go on tranny night.

When it comes to fucking...being a bottom is not my favorite thing. My bf of 12 yrs and I are both pretty hung. We are growers and showers. Anyway, we live in the Boston Suburbs and there are no bathhouses in the city anymore. I know there are private sex parties but, the guys at my gym that invite me/us are usually not our type. We stay in shape but I guess you'd say we have "dad' bods...both over 6' broad shoulders, hung. We keep our cock bush and he's got a hairy chest. We don't have problems getting offers. I guess it's a blond thing maybe not but, dudes usually want to fuck me until they see my hang. My guy always can get a fine botttom. In our first year we played around but, I guess we outgrew it...it's either that life with speed and stuff and a fast track to disease or you and your man fuck like dogs...and we do. I had to learn that if I'm going to bottom I'm going to bottom like I'm a top and totally fuck his dick. Well, he's been wanting to show me off...show us off. He's got some friends that watched us over the summer fucking on a private beach (no right in the sand, more patio area) I'm not shy, I grew up going to the ymca or the boysclubs. Naked guys were all new to him. So, other than his buddies getting thier rocks off (now they can stop asking what my ass and cock really look like) in hindsight it's kind of hott now...Also, he asked me about getting a bottom dude or a cock lover do blow us or blow me or him while fucking. This is getting into areas that didn't work out when I was young in L.A. Anyone have any experience? If we did bring in another dude we'd totally play safe. My guy is the first I've ever not used protection with...after two years. I just can't imagine 2 guys fucking me...even though I learned to get raunchy andn into it...it looks hot in porn but, hooking up guys aren't porn stars. You know?

Which one, R123? Tokyo Valentino fka Insurrection?

R111, an all-female gym means women don't want to be around other women? Mmmmm, okay.

Hi, 1985!! Your post and observations are interesting.

R127 based on your wandering story, you’d better get checked for Alzheimer’s.

Yes R127 does type +70yo

I like a wet bath

Century Korean Spa and Lions Korean Spa in LA used to basically be gay bathhouses. Both really clean and nice setups. Haven't been in a while.

The smell of meth, cum, and Santorum must hang heavy in the air.

Smell of cum, bleach, sweat and wet heat. Filth.

When in Cleveland...

You are correct R19. I have friends who love the saunas or bathhouses, and they have safer sex at them. If I ever go to one it will not be the one in center city Philadelphia. That place is notorious for being badly maintained.

R127 if you want an orgy set one up or go to one with your husband but just use condoms.

R124 what year was this?

Watergarden in San Jose has a virtual tour. Looks decent. It's been around over 40 years.

The Water Garden puts the lie to all this nonsense posted on this thread about all bath houses being dirty and filthy.

The Water Garden is so prissy that you might thing you're in a suburban Republican country club.

R138, is it still around?

R141, looks nice

I once met a couple at a bathhouse who said their goal was to try all the world's bathhouse.

Is life that empty?

R145 your jealousy is quite apparent

R145... What would you prefer?

I see bath houses as a way to meet other gay men in a safe and supportive environment and to interact with them openly and honestly as gay men. Maybe you have sex. Maybe you just socialize. But what is so small about meeting others and getting to know them.

What would you prefer they do?

R140 2004 the golden years of hot college sex

R147, you think a bathhouse is the only place to do that? Give your head a shake. Not that one.

[quote]I once met a couple at a bathhouse who said their goal was to try all the world's bathhouse. Is life that empty?

Not nearly as boring as the guy who wants to visit every Starbucks in the world. Or the one who went to every McDonald's.

Ok boomers.

R143 yes. I found this old article about it which is funny, as most married or formerly married and gay closeted men I have met-I don't have sex with them but they have approached me in all sort of public places- said how they would just hook up online, or with basically any hot guy they met in public while cruising and horny, or with other deeply closeted married gay men they know, and avoided going to gay/LGBT businesses, bars, dance clubs, bath houses, gyms, cafes, etc.

R151 I am a gen X'er. The baths are not really my thing; but if others want to do this or go here that's their choice. I have gay friends who are also gen X'ers and some were turned off by the baths as they see it as "paying for sex" since with some places you have to pay for a membership, or pay a fee to get in. I used to know a millennial or Gen Z guy who was born in the late 1990s who in the short few years of coming out as gay at 21 had already slept with 100s of men, claimed to be "neg" and without any diseases-yeah right-and when I asked if he would meet these men in bars or dance clubs he said how he just would meet them on websites and apps. I am guessing this guy is probably HIV+ now or will be soon as he was also into the PNP thing or unsafe sex with hard and soft drugs.

Forgot to post the article. Here it is.

Yeah, that's why guys go to bathhouses; for the "great conversation."

Baths were a great place for gay men to have sex safely in privacy instead of in public parks etc.

Now that we can find each other on apps and can just got to one another's apartments, baths have lost popularity. Although the selection is greater on an app, there are far more naked, willing men right in front of you in a bathhouse.

I've often felt valued and positive after leaving a bathhouse.

And when I say valued and positive yes I do mean 100 mg Doxycycline twice daily for ten days.

As an overweight middle aged gay I find the desperation of bathhouses is a real plus for me.

Yeah, The Watergarden looks fairly nice ... and hey, they have employment opportunities with benefits!

I love going to nice ones, even if there isn’t much action. Just naked guys

The idea of a bunch of naked guys roaming around eyeing each other up to choose the stranger(s) they're gonna bang in a public place sounds the opposite of sexy.

I have no interest in Grindr and having a stranger show up at my door or me show up at the door. Give me the safe, secure environment of a bathhouse with other gay men for a few hours whether I have sex or not.

Grindr? No, thanks. Doesn’t work for me. I’m not looking for romance at a bathhouse, but there may be some chemistry with one or more guys or just the sociability of it. Or maybe I just want to escape behind the closed doors of a bathhouse with other gay men and hang out. Grindr ain’t it.

R37

Everard Baths were shut by Ed Koch in 1986, but building still remains.

Gay baths in the Ansonia hotel on UWS is now retail space IIRC.

Either wasn't around for hey day of gay bath houses,or was far too young. But did see film "The Ritz" in college , and never have laughed so hard in my life.

If bath houses were like that place, complete with Gogi Gomez, count me in.

That was a sad article, R153. Bathhouses don't mean the same things to out gays and closeted married guys. The author of the article makes it seem as if all the patrons of bathhouses are closeted married men.

[quote] they're gonna bang in a public place sounds the opposite of sexy.

sounds sexier than eyeing up strangers on an app and inviting one over only to discover that he's not what he seems

R160 you also sound like the opposite of sexy

R162 Who was the lucky person in charge of sandblasting off the nacreous layers of permacum in those places when they were sold?

This is the Everard baths today.

Has anyone read "A Day and Night at the Baths"?

r168 I lived it. I didn't have to read about it in a book.

R160 is correct

Did you survive the fire?

Exciting yet shocking

What R166 said. Prissy superiority is never sexy.

I always liked the East Side and West Side Club in New York.

R174 really? The poz palaces of filth?

I didn’t think they were dirty r175

R176 now we know your standard of cleanliness. Remind me never to eat at your house.

I had amazing times at this French Quarter boathouse in New Orleans for years. Last year I went back and it was gone!! There was no big sign on the door, just an address and you got buzzed in. There was a hot tub, sauna, and roof deck. Had some wonderful times there.

A boathouse in New Orleans...on the river?

LOL I meant BATHHOUSE!!!

Granted I usually went to the bathhouse when extremely drunk, I always enjoyed my experiences there. But I also liked going on Craigslist and walking into dark rooms to pound anon bottoms so perhaps bathhouse attendance and enjoyment is an outlier...

I just recently went to G.I. JOE for the first time in Montreal and love it. Huge place. It was like a porn set. Very cool.

R177-You sound like a FRAU!

Living in Chicago, the first time I went to Steamworks was right after it opened, maybe in the late 1970's. I was kind of a chunky guy back then and really didn't make out very well there. There was an alternate steam bath, Man's Country, up on Clark Street where again, I really didn't do too well. Had fun at the old Mineshaft in NYC, but maybe only went there once or twice. With the AIDS epidemic and all I've stayed away from clubs like that, but now, that I've gotten in much better shape, am kinda itching to go back. I plan on getting loaded up on Prep, and the idea of going into a dark room and fucking or getting fucked by anybody really appeals to me.

Steam works is a delight

[quote] the idea of going into a dark room and fucking or getting fucked by anybody really appeals to me.

#MeToo

A friend goes to the bathhouse in Chicago and he said millennials are rediscovering the place. They find someone in the club on Grindr, then invite them to their private room. There are no safety issues, worries about getting robbed, etc.

They even have a free night where admission is free if you are under 25.

i've only fucked young guys

Thankfully R166(aka)R173 we are all allowed to have our own ideas of what is or isn't sexy.

This is an interesting thread. Just a note to say that, back in their heyday, bathhouses were usually called "the baths", at least by gay men." Bathhouses" was a formal word used in the news or an academic discussion.

Some people also called them "the tubs."

[quote]Thankfully [R166](aka)[R173] we are all to have our own ideas of what is or isn't sexy.

where? not here?

Have a nice day

DC's Crew Club is still going strong. I've gone a handful of times in the last year and it's mostly been positive. The decor and facilities feel straight out of the '90s but it's not a total dump, either.

Definitely a middle-aged-to-older crowd but with younger guys scattered in, too. Generally friendly vibe and I've found boundaries are respected. Almost always some hot black guys around who are up for kissing, mutual cock stroking and maybe a little sucking, which is all I want out of my own bathhouse experience.

Here's a relatively recent article about the scene there by a college journalist:

what a cutie pie

I hate the name of D.C.’s only bathhouse. Yuck. It takes the fun out.

I got HIV at the baths. First time I ever took “Tina” or crystal meth. Thought I was invincible and I was super horny. Stayed for 8 hours and got barebacked my at least 12 guys (it’s still fuzzy in my drug and alcohol induced state.) I do remember shooting so many loads that by the end I was shooting air out of my dick - I was outta cum! I try not to regret anything in life, it’s my journey. But I’ll never take “Tina” again.

Attaboy r197

R194 kissing is more intimate than getting my dick sucked, I would never kiss a guy in a bath.

R181 did you fuck those bottoms raw or safe? Did you ever slide your cock in one and feel cum from other men? Or are you HIV+ and on meds? I would read ads on Craigslist and later on apps bottoms would message me asking for this, and I wondered how successful these people are? The same ads would frequently appear on Craigslist.

I am not into fucking raw and would never go to some random person's house, fuck them bare, and leave.

If other people want to do this or get this done it is their choice but it is not something I personally am into.

[R200] Good for you, you want a cookie? Bless your heart.

I was blessed at the bathes

R170 an opinion isn't correct.

R177 you must be a great rimmer

or man rammer

Does the Senatrice have her own suite at the Crew Club?

Club Baths in East Village became Lucky Cheng's (Asian trannies/drag queens and those who love them), and now is kaput; property redeveloped for condos.

Heh heh ... r194 said “mostly positive,” heheh ...

oh, dear

R200 My HIV status is negative. I have been in an exclusive relationship for years now. Back in my youth I had these experiences. Yes I fucked them bare. No I did not feel or see cum from other men. And I do not regret any of it.

-R181

My first job in NYC back in 1981 was at the Club Baths at 1st & 1st. I had the day shift working from 8 AM to 4 PM, although second shift was better because it was much busier than so you made really good tips. I still remember student night, admission or lockers were really cheap and we would have a line around the block of really cute guys. There wasnt a day that went by when I was working that some customer would offer to blow me, during the day they were usual business guys or married business guys. I would usually decline and suggest that they blow the other customers who were there. I was a pretty good worker, I would get all my cleaning done and then sit back in the dark porno movie area hiding and avoiding the gropers.

For lunch I was close enough to walk over to Katz Deli and have a pastrami sandwich, even back then it was kinda expensive.

I finally had to leave to go back to college, I was offered more money and a better job, but really I had to go. It was a fun experience, an easy job and a good way to make money.

there was a bathhouse on wall street back in the day

R211 R212 NYC must have been magical back then!! You are lucky to have experienced being gay before it became acceptable and mainstream and full of fraus.

I remember old timers telling me back when I was young, there was a bath house in the old Lincoln Hotel on Clark Street that was affectionately referred to as the Blackfoot Country Club.

I don’t approve of the way people are stigmatizing those with HIV. These people are part of our community, and our brothers. Especially this time of year, please have some compassion.

It’s time to go to the baths

See you at the baths Mary!

It’s been interesting to watch gay social scenes evolve so quickly and dramatically over past 40 years. I’m glad I got to witness old gay social venues like baths and cruising parks. Also leather bars and back rooms. All probably destined to disappear. But I’m fascinated by the rise of apps and gay marriage and mainstreaming. Amazed that in my one lifetime gay life has evolved so far. I’m really l ugly to have lived when I did. And yet to have survived AIDS. Possibly the most important 5 decades in the history of the world for gays - and I was able to experience.

I love to cruise

R218 a gay friend of mine who is in his late 60s feels the same way. He said how he is glad he experienced tearooms, cruising, leather bars, discos, baths/saunas, porn/adult bookstores, etc. but how he really misses his large number of bisexual and gay friends who died of HIV/AIDS, and how out of 50 he and another friend are the only ones who were never infected. Another gay friend who is in his late 50s and started having sex before HIV/AIDS is glad he experienced the bars, baths, personal ads/social clubs, etc. but just goes on apps/websites and only goes to bars with friends.

R211 did you ever have sex while working at the baths, or did you not want to mix the two and start to get even more unwanted attention from customers? I can understand why you would hide away from them. I would not like that either. Well, OK to be honest I might enjoy the attention at first or take it as a compliment but I don't like random strangers touching me.

R38 Charlie, who were the celebrities that you saw at the baths and bars besides Robert Mapplethorpe, Rudolf Nureyev, Capote, Calvin Klein, Halston, Vincente Minnelli, Rock Hudson, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, etc.

Guess when you get right down to it baths were safer than going to some strangers home, or inviting them to yours. Outdoor sex (the piers, meat packing truck parking, the Rambles, restrooms, etc...) could land you in jail on any number of charges.

Then there are all those stories about bridge and tunnel guys who came into city with a gf or bunch of fraus and hit a mixed (gay and straight) club because it was the hottest place that particular night. Sooner or later the guy or guys would excuse themselves to use the restroom, and not come back for a very long time. *LOL* From what I understand Crisco Disco, and the rest all at one time or another had some sort of backroom action going on at male bathrooms.

Sexy items for sexy times

I remember the baths in NO. There was one right next to Ralph and cuccoos [sp?] And another one by canal closer to the garden district. I was working in the wider area [New Orleans/mobile/panhandle]. I would often just go only expecting to shower and clean up. Aids was a thing, so I was very selective. Still had some got times.

But I have to disagree somewhat with the idyllic version presented by some others. Gay men are, after all, gay men. There was always the "waiting for something better" contingent. And maybe I was in that group, because I would frequently just get off and turn in.

Can someone explain how bathhouses in Europe work? My friend tells me they don’t have private rooms for rent, but that there are rooms called “cabins” that are basically first come, first serve? How does that work exactly or am I not understanding this correctly?

This is true. Much more Equitable if you ask me.

R220, I only had sex with a customer once at the baths when I worked there. He was a tourist from Florida and kept cruising me and asking me to go back to his cabin, I thought he was sexy and he was also very complimentary so I slipped into his room and had a fun time. We even ended up meeting the next day at is hotel when I was off duty. But yes, I really didn't want to mix business and pleasure, besides at that time it was easy for me to meet people I liked at bars or parties, and really being around that sex atmosphere every day all day makes you less horny...... even at 21.

[quote] There was always the "waiting for something better" contingent.

Yeah, but even they would pity fuck someone who didn’t check all their boxes and filters most of the time.

Nobody wanted to go to all the trouble of traveling to a cruising spot just to leave empty-handed.

So to speak.

Cruising in-person was better because nobody could catfish or manipulate their photos and you almost always got laid. You could get someone out-of-your-league easier than the Digital Filtertopia. The only caveat is that sometimes you would settle for someone less than ideal yourself. But not too far from what you like.

I love running into a bath house really quickly and just having sex with the first guy I see, no matter what.

R228, you forgot to sign your post as John Travolta

I did, but I meant every word

And they say romance is dead...probably killed by that new super Gonorrhea.

SUper duper

Let’s go to the bathhouse

Let's all go to the bathhouse

Let's all go to the bathhouse

Let's all go to the bathhouse

To get ourselves a treat

I love it

Super Gonnorhea loves it even more.

you need a doctor

W&W for you R234. Saunas or the baths for bisexual and gay men are not my thing but I remember being a young adult and surprised that they were still around as I thought they were all shut down during the start of the HIV/AIDS pandemic in most US cities.

I have friends who went to them in the 1970s and early 1980s as it was a very easy way to meet bisexual and gay men before the internet, it was seen as a part of bisexual and gay men's culture at the time before HIV/AIDS, and enjoyed it as they wanted sex with men without dating, or having to stay hours drinking at bars to meet someone to go off with.

I like meeting new men

My local bathhouse shows only condom porn. The funny thing about that is that means they only show old porn, from the 90s through early 2000s.

They're coming back.

R240 I think it is funny when the baths or sex clubs, or people who I have met who have worked at them claim that only safer sex is allowed at them. Does this mean that the attendants check each and every room to make sure people use condoms, keep them on, etc.? Obviously that does not happen, as at the baths in my city everyone knows that lots of raw/bare sex goes on, and at the one bath it is well known that lots of meth and other hard drugs are used there. No I have never been to the baths or sex clubs but it is common knowledge that it all happens.

My first boyfriend told me about going to bath houses in the mid-late 1980s when HIV/AIDS was new and they had masturbation only nights and it was basically just a bunch of naked men in a sauna or steam room masturbating together.

Who is so naive to tell you only safer sex is allowed in bathhouses? People do whatever they want in bathhouses. Considering almost all bathhouses have sling rooms, a lot goes on in bathhouses. I'm a top and I fuck raw. I don't have a problem with that.

About those drugs, R240. You realize most recreational drugs are consumed by suburban white non-bathhouse-goers, right? And yeah, dudes like to party, so they bring the party with them when they go to the bathhouse. But if you log onto Grindr or any other hookup app, you'll notice quickly that lot of guys are doing drugs. I don't do drugs and don't get with those who do, but I'm pointing out that drugs are not a thing endemic to bathhouses, rather to society, including so-called upstanding citizens.

What are these other hard drugs? These days it's pretty much all meth, heroin, and occasionally molly and cocaine. Heroin leaves you too faded to fuck. Molly isn't so common and also takes away performance. Coke is expensive and not something you'd run into casually. It has become easy for me to spot meth users, and I quietly avoid them. I don't consider marijuana a drug of abuse, and it has been shown to be socially harmless, as have poppers.

R242 I met a Canadian guy who at one time worked in a bath house and he claimed that safer sex had to be practiced there, but I am not naive. The place he described was some small bath house/sex club and not a large one like the ones in Toronto and other major Canadian cities.

Sex of all types goes on at the baths and lots of it is raw/bare. My friends that go to the baths said how they have safer sex as tops and bottoms but how they just assume that every single other man who they fuck or get fucked by is or could be HIV+.

Yes I do realize this about drugs. I am not into drugs either. Other hard drugs would be GHB/GBL, K, PCP, and I know people who take designer drugs or research chemicals that are basically legal that they order online. You can learn about them at the website below or on bluelight. No I never took any research chemicals or any of the designer stimulants. When I was into drugs I was just mainly into pot/hash, acid, mushrooms, alcohol, low doses of oxycodone/hydrocodone/codeine-it was insanely popular and everyone took them in the 1990s and early 2000s, and low doses of Dexedrine. I never took MDMA or MDA as a lot of the molly/MDMA/MDA can sometimes be cut with meth, and a friend of mine took MDMA/MDA maybe 2-3 times in her life never abusing it and said how she literally wanted to kill herself the next day. I tried powder coke once but while it was very common and easy to get where I grew up as well as heroin, crack, PCP, and any drug you wanted, coke was more expensive, the crash was horrible, and it did not last as long as a low dose of Dexedrine does.

Seattle had several active bath houses in 1981. I'd broken up with my first serious boyfriend and was all of 22. And I took full advantage of my newfound leisure time.That was pretty much the last crest of the last wave of the 'good old days.' I remember a couple of years later the vibe was different. Let's see, there was The Pines, Dave's on First Avenue, and Club Seattle, wh. was just sensational. It's now Steamworks and I've never been.

Oh! And how could I forget the Zodiac! At that time it was the lowest of the low. Then it reinvented itself as Club Z, was nearly part of an old building scheduled to be demolished. Until the building was cited as an historical landmark, wh. is odd as the building has no architectural significance that I can fathom.

Has anyone been to the East Side Club recently? I went a few times about a decade ago, and at lunchtime it was filled with hot married guys. Still the same? It was a dump, however...

R228, aren't you concerned that you're kissing a man who just had his tongue up 10 assholes? Sucking a dick that had just fucked 10 assholes? Sticking your dick in an asshole holding a pint of cum?

r247, You do realize that's the whole point of going to the bathhouse, don't you?

Yeah, but get them while they're fresh.

R242 Went to one of those mutual masturbation nights back in the day. And all I can say is, what a fuck’n bore. And so sad to see all that delicious seed going to waste.

New York Jacks is still going strong.

R248 exactly, otherwise R247 what’s the point, it’s so fuck’n plain Jane and boring. Might as well just stay home and have a date with my hand.

You can still go to a bathhouse just to escape for a few hours with other gay men, be naked, half-naked and be anonymous. You don't need to have unsafe sex. Sometimes, you don't even need to have sex. Maybe jacking off is enough. Maybe safe sex is enough. It's not a question of having to go absolutely wild at the bathhouse or staying home. There is a middle ground and sill have fun without putting your health in danger.

I hope bathhouses make a successful comeback. Grindr sucks. You can't meet anyone, and it's a waste of time. And I don't want any strangers coming to my house--or me going to theirs.

Have you ever watched amateur videos taken in bathhouses R253? there are no condoms only guys taking every anonymous cock they can get their drooling assholes on.

Or, r254, are those the only videos posted because the others would be seen as ‘boring’?

I went to one in San Diego a while back - packed on a Saturday night, lots of fun - some over-the-top stuff, but generally just a good mixed crowd. I hadn't been to one in a long time, but I'd go back

“And I don't want any strangers coming to my house--or me going to theirs.” Agree R253, as we have seen recently in Michigan, that can get you killed.

R257 and eaten, too

Steamworks in Berkeley just started allowing females in (at least that's news to me). I went a few weeks ago and women and women-wannabes were all over the place.

I even saw a fake false eyelash next to the mouthwash for after you suck.

Gross.

It's bad enough that place is staffed by Mexican trolls who take out all the racism they face on anyone but the Latino patrons.

That place should just shut down.

A priest-friend (now decease) went to the St Mark's Baths on Saturday nights, always meeting-up with the same guy. A 20-year-old woman in his New Jersey parish wanted to arrange for her marriage. She showed up with her uncle to discuss the arrangements. Unc was the guy my friend was having sex with. He never came back on Saturday nights. Marriage took place at a another church.

Harvey Weinstien loves them. His rape was his beard cover while he worked his way up. He is the god awful ugliest face I've ever seen. I think his victims deserve every pharmaceuticals to alleviate the gastly memoriess. Now he doesn't have to leave his cell or standup wheelchair faker. to get his pusssy wet..

R261 are you drunk?

R254. I have been to many bathhouses throughout the years. I like escaping for a few hours in a gay environment. I don't have unsafe sex. I don't have anal sex, and if I did, I would always use a condom. Yes, bathhouses are sexual places, but I don't go there to endanger my health and well-being.

R256. I have been to the same bathhouse in San Diego seeing that we only have one. Yes, it's a much preferred alternative to the Grindr waste of time. Sometimes I want to get out of the house and be in gay environment walking anonymously in a towel. Grindr doesn't do it for me. Not playing that game.

they are still going strong in many places

Here are the bathhouses or spas I have been to in my travels and my personal opinion of each:

Chicago Steamworks -- I go to this one almost every time I am in Chicago. This was the first bathhouse I ever went to; it was in 1996, when it was still the Unicorn. It is the biggest and best of any I have been to. Has a healthy mix of all types and ages, and guys are usually friendly. I'm rarely disappointed.

Paris Gym Louvre -- I went here several times when I was working in Paris. They have a fitness center upstairs and a bathhouse downstairs. Not huge or crowded, but had enough guys to keep things interesting, and it was clean. I didn't speak French so that didn't help when a guy couldn't speak English. I was at about 50/50 at finding a satisfying hookup.

Club Indianapolis -- This place is small and full of older white guys who were out of shape. Can't remember having a decent hookup here.

Club Fort Lauderdale -- Met some really interesting guys in FTL at this place in the 2000s. I liked their little grotto steam room and can remember sucking the rock hard cock of a tall athletic beauty in there. Met another sweet young guy poolside and I brought him back to my room and he ate out my ass. Good times.

Club Orlando -- This used to be quite a happening place in the early 2000s, full of hot young guys especially on weekends and with tons of action in the sauna, steam room, and hot tub. But I went there once in the mid 2010s and it was dead. Haven't been back since.

Club Dallas -- Nice layout and clean, but other than that it was not memorable.

Century Spa in Koreatown, Los Angeles -- I guess there are bathhouses in LA but I haven't found them. This place is a Korean spa and technically is not a place for having sex. But I found sex going on in the steam room, sauna, clay room, and the little patio off the wet area. And some of the sex was really fun and the guys were hot. But because it's technically forbidden, it seems like you are unlikely to strike up a conversation with anyone. And when the sex finally gets going, the interruption that comes from having others walk in gets a bit frustrating.

New York City -- I have not heard anything good about the bathhouses or spas in NYC so I don't have much to say about the scene here. But if any of you have some tips, I travel to NYC pretty regularly and still wonder where a guy can go to meet other guys who are interested in having sex.

Start a blog R265. Maybe buy a map and some map pins.

Do you plan all your travels around bathhouses R265?

R254, where would one find such videos?

They're on Xtube and Pornhub, I like amateur porn and the bathhouse videos pop up in that category.

Thanks, R269. I like amateur videos, too, and have actually searched for bathhouse videos but rarely found more than a few, some of which are obviously staged.

R259... NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Until reading your post, that was one of my favorite sex clubs. Ugh.

R228 but what if he is not your type, at all?

R259 are they trying to rebrand it as a 'spa' or is it still a sex club/bath house?