Deval Patrick tells allies he's running for president

I don't yet know my feelings about Deval Patrick and Michael Bloomberg. But why dis they wait so long? Yeah, I realize their rationale, but they only further muddy the waters and hurt their own chances by entering the race so late.

As a black man, I wouldn't vote for him. I just don't see it for him. We've already got one black man running - Cory Booker - so why add one more?

I'm fine with him, too. Just not Tulsi or Bernie.

R3, not Tulsi, not Bernie, and not Biden either for me. I hate how Tulsi is a Russian agent honestly, how angry Bernie gets behind Medicare for All, how Biden always says, "Barack and I did/got...," all the time. Biden really grinds my gears because why are you basing all your answers around what you previously did that wouldn't be necessarily important right this minute?

We need to be losing candidates, not gaining them at this point.

R4, yeah it's lame on Biden's part, but it's not as obnoxious as Tulsi's or Bernie's behavior. Everyone can be weak/lame at times, even to an annoying level, and I won't dismiss voting for them. But truly toxic behavior? That's disqualifying for a primary vote.

That said, I'll vote for any Dem.

I'm excited about this -- Patrick is smart and personable and could beat Trump. However, how does he set up am effective field organization in such a short time? The others have been building theirs for many months.

But I am totally going to support him.

I hope he doesn't call for "unity" Biden and Buttegieg. At least not during the primary. "Unity" suggests the candidate isn't going to investigate anyone in the Trump administration, or get on the offense with Russia. Because we need to "heal as a nation," "rebuild," and "move on."

"Unity" isn't quite disqualifying, but it sounds an alarm.

*like Biden and Buttegieg

R2. Yes, there are two black men running now; however, Corey Booker has not caught traction or fire. and predict he won't. I don't know how I feel about Patrick running yet, although it's a rather late and Patrick doesn't have much name recognition. Having said that, I would vote for the Democratic dog catcher over a Repig.

[quote]We've already got one black man running - Cory Booker - so why add one more?

Wow, black candidates are just tokens and only one black man can run for President??

R11, MARY!

If they were token, I wouldn't have fucking identified myself as (an) African-American/black, dumbass. I'm arguing back to the question of can Dems have another black man in the race for office. No, we can't IN MY OPINION.

R6, yeah, I mean, I can see that...but why make it seem like you did the work on someone else's back to make sure they remained President or that they had a majority in Congress at one point? He might as well say, "My old partner and I," rather than, "Barack and I." Then, it strikes me odd that he continues to talk about his first wife being gone in front of the current wife, ha...I would think that's pretty traumatic to talk about regularly: I still can't talk about my late best friend/possible BF if I think hard enough...

There have already been several threads on this OP. Would it have killed you to have done a search first before you posted this? I mean really? What’s wrong with having a little consideration for others and doing a search first? Would it really have been that hard? Would it?

Maybe we should just hear from people who are NOT running for president!

...then Eric Holder may declare.

It's late in the process and the Iowa Caucus is February 3rd, with NH, SC, and Nevada occuring just weeks afterwards. It takes organization to get started, and lots of money to get started and sustain it. Much time is required for fundraising.

I believe some of these candidates think there may be a brokered convention and can bargain with their collected delegates. Some want to be viable enough to get picked as the VP candidate.

I am not fond of Tulsi and Bernie, and Elizabeth needs to show realistic math for new entitlements most voters will not embrace.

Do Bloomberg, Patrick and Holder have any name recognition among the American public?

I’d like to know if Barack Obama played a hand in this. Did he secretly give the okay for Deval to run because he’s so dissatisfied with Joe Biden?

The level of delusion among these people that they think Americans are just hungering for THEM to get into the race. There are already a shit ton of people who tried to run for President.

[quote]Corey Booker has not caught traction or fire.

And Deval Patrick would? Yes, lets take someone with even less name recognition!

Gov. Bullock, Senator Bennet, and a few others with good experiences, can't get traction. People such as Gov. Inslee, Congressmen Swalwell and Moulton, Sen. Gillibrand, and Beto have withdrawn. Yet, there are several still running with zero chance. A few are loonies, but are hanging-in for whatever reason.

The debate system needs overhauled. More town hall meetings and interviews early would have helped the electorate in getting to know these people better.

I don't see massive numbers suddenly gravitating to Duval.

Bloomberg has name recognition being a long-term NYC mayor with a huge personal fortune. People that really know him admire him or dislike him based on his prior decisions. Doubtful though, he can spend his way into the top tier soon enough to be really viable.

For their own sake and especially for the sake of the Democratic Party if they truly want the Dems to win, they should have entered the race much, much earlier. This is way too late. We have to win people!!

And they cannot skip the Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and simply be on the ballot for Super Tuesday and expect to catch up and win. They should have done this much sooner. Yes, run against Biden, Warren and Pete and see if you can beat them--but so it sooner than now.

Is he thinking he nails NH because its a neighboring state?

Rick Wilson ‏ Verified account

@TheRickWilson 7h7 hours ago More "Deval Patrick? SIGN ME UP!" said no one not named Deval Patrick.

Joy Reid on the air blamed white media executives for Kamala's failure. I guess they'll like Patrick better.

You know I hear a lot about Pete being a Rhodes Scholar who studied at Oxford. But Corey Booker is also a Rhodes Scholar who studied at Oxford and that is hardly ever mentioned. Deval is a very effective speaker, and he has a great Personality. I like him more than Corey. There's one more person , Mitch Landrieu of New Orleans. He is really good. I was disappointed when he decided not to run. I think Michael Bennet, Yang Tulsi Bernie, Castro Corey, Steyer, all need to leave. Go home. It's over. I'd let Joe and Elizabeth battle it out, Harris, Klobuchar, Deval and Mike BLoomberg. Honestly I think Wall street sent Deval and Mike in because they're scared Bernie or Elizabeth might beat Biden. I also believe that people are not as enthused about Pete as we think.

Sure, why not, his campaign can fizzle like DeBlasio's.

Why do people persist with garbage like "I feel" when polls evidently prove the opposite? Buttigieg just jumped to first place in Iowa. Who gives a fuck if you "feel" differently. Talk numbers.

[quote]As a black man, I wouldn't vote for him. I just don't see it for him. We've already got one black man running - Cory Booker - so why add one more?

This can't be for real. How many white men are running?

On September 17, 2014, Patrick fired the Massachusetts Sex Offender Registry Board chair Saundra Edwards and placed director Jeanne Holmes on paid administrative leave because they pressured the board to force Patrick's brother-in-law to register as a sex offender, based on his conviction for raping his wife, Patrick’s sister.

He has a history of using his office to collect 'favors' and when called out on it, he apologizes and pays it back, thus thinking it makes everything OK.

Like saying, 'sorry' makes your financial abuses OK. Of course those are only the ones he was caught on.

Hmm, yeah, he's a non-starter, r30 and r31. Huge ego, terrible judgment and corrupt? A trifecta. No wonder he's jumping into the race at the last minute and expecting to catch up. Delusional as well. Corey is much better than him.

Smug face. He’ll never win.

I guess we'll just have to wait to see how everyone does up until the convention. There can only be one Democrat running for president. I'm confused, with so many already in the field, why are we seeing new candidates joining in at this late date?

I still have futures contracts I bought last November on Cory getting the nomination.

It's as if the oblivious corporate donors are asking for Bernie to snatch the nomination. Isn't this how Trump got it? By beating a bunch of center of the road conservatives in a crowded primary? I mean, I'm happy about it, but I'm sure most of the DL isn't.

He currently works for Bain Capital. In 2012, Democrats excoriated Mitt Romney for his connections to Bain. If this guy were to be the nominee I can see Republicans going on 24/7 about what hypocrites Democrats are. No thanks.

Token Tres enters Race.

I assumed he’s being nudged into the race because it’s looking increasingly likely that the majority of our candidates will be locked in D.C. for the actual impeachment hearings and won’t be able to campaign normally.

Buttigieg--Booker ticket

Booker can handle debating Pence.

Don't underestimate Buttigieg.

Take the gay step, double down on it.

Deval Is the only modern Massachusetts politician that is charismatic and can connect with Mainstream America. He was a rockstar before Obama ran for president. Obama borrowed a lot of his ideas and mannerisms. He has an electric personality and incredible speaker. He has that cerebral cool dude thing going on. But still, it’s too late.

Missing the registration deadlines in at least two states already (Alabama and Arkansas) tells you all you need to know about him. Doesn't give a shit about you unless you can help him win. Imagine if Obama just wrote off two states like that back in 2008. Fuck him, here's there to spoil NH for everyone and then siphon off some of the more gullible black voters in SC, complicating the race even further.

I know there are videos of Warren praising him and saying she'd be happy to have him in his cabinet, but she could have just said that to keep him out of the race, we really don't know.

Booker ain’t happening. And Pete doesn’t need him. Deval and Cory speak like preachers. Whoever is the eventual nominee needs to keep the Clintons off the convention stage. Enough of them already.

He’s a much more appealing candidate than Warren. He actually talks like a normal Person.

Inspired by this?

I call BS is Obama w/o charisma. Take a seat Deval, we have enough to choose from at this point. Plus he works for Bain Capital. Not happening.

There's nothing there. A bunch of cliches. No rationale. He opens on himself. How about opening on the country? Andsqueaky voiced - can no one from Mass. speak in a voice that doesn't make you wince? I hope he can swim because the odds of walking on water seem low.

His Bain capital bio has been scrubbed.

r47 Yeah, gurlfriend, I don't know about that voice. Seems like a non-starter to me. 😬

Those of us here in Massachusetts know Deval Patrick to be as big a phony as Elizabeth Warren.

Agree about the voice. It’s a charisma killer...

He has a reputation as a very good orator

This is direpspectful to Corey Booker.

No it’s not

Obama looked at Booker's polling numbers and declared: "I think not. Send in Deval."

R30: I'm not supporting him, but link? Surely there is a link to a reputable news organization to substantiate this accusation.

I'm sticking with the girls. Elizabeth, Kamala, and Amy. Yes. It will be a lot harder for the RePIGlicans to smear them. Oh, they will try, but it won't stick. Even now,I'm learning to eat chicken salad with a comb, while a write the laws to mass incarcerate minorities and promote my Native American bloodlines. I can't wait to see how Google, Amazon, and Facebook are dismantled and sold for parts in a government chop shop. I'll be first in line for a ticket when they erect the guillotine on Pennsylvania Avenue to chop off the heads of Jamie Dimon and all the big shot Wall Street Billionaires. YaaaY!

Black prosecutors lose

R56 . . .

Yes everyone who is running for president is a narcissist to a degree, but there is something so blatantly egotistical about jumping in the race this late and pretending like you can make a legitimate case.

I think the reason why people like BLoomberg and Deval are jumping in is because of the way the race is breaking right now. I think they deferred to Biden at first. When they knew he was going to run they backed off to give him his due. But in the eyes of Deval & Bloomberg, Biden has not only failed to capture a significant level of support and fundraising, his chief competition is the Gay Mayor of South Bend, an 80 yr old Socialist, and Elizabeth Warren with her war on Corporate America. If they felt like Biden was in command, and had a message that resonates, they would not be jumping in. IMO, this is all a reflection on Biden. That's my analysis of what they were thinking.

Which is kind of stupid because he's still in the lead on average and his numbers are holding... the others are the ones up and down.

And that either Bloomberg or Patrick could envision himself as the answer to generate excitement and mass... it's laughable. They're just more of the same and latecomers to that.

He's a schmuck.

My god, the dirt on him that has been coming up on Twitter today... 👀 Oh, and his campaign manager used to be Beto's senior advisor. There's also this:

[quote]"Their messages have been right," Deval Patrick says in response to my question how he differs from Booker + Harris. But "their campaigns are, in some quarters, not getting traction." Almost says why but then cuts himself off. "I have a record of delivering," he adds.

[quote]Implicitly confirms suspicion the Patrick candidacy should be understood not as only as sign some think Biden is vulnerable, but the candidates who were supposed to build cross racial coalitions -- Booker + Harris -- are now seen as unrecoverable in some corners of Obamaworld.

So the mystery is solved - Obama's circle sent him into the ring because Kamala and Booker aren't capturing the black voters, and they also don't have faith in Biden. It kinda pisses me off that on one of the first questions he got - M4A - he blatantly ripped off Pete by saying we need to have some humility around that issue. This bitch won't last long. Sorry, Obama.

[quote]Deval Patrick is running as the black Buttigieg

Not The Onion. 🙄

"Deval Patrick is running as the black Buttigieg"

The black Butt would be more accurate.

I sense Obama is behind this...he will crash and burn he is not Obama

Obama wanted Patrick to run last year. He did not want Biden to run and even sat down with Biden last election and told him not to.

Frankly, all of these people who are so keen on Biden because of his Obama connection should take a look at Patrick. He was very pro gay rights before most dems, and while he's moderate, he's certainly a lot fucking younger than Biden. THIS is the guy that Obama thinks should be President.

How much does Obama actually secretly hate Biden? A lot, I guess.

Deval Patrick has a weak ass voice.

Hard pass.

Kamala and Deval were the very first to endorse Obama. Amala campaigned in Iowa for OBama in 2007.

[quote]"Their messages have been right," Deval Patrick says in response to my question how he differs from Booker + Harris. But "their campaigns are, in some quarters, not getting traction."

Dehvaal Patrique is

[quote]Kamala and Deval were the very first to endorse Obama.

And this is how he repays her. Politics is a bitch, I guess.

I know Obama declared Kamala, Pete, Bennet (!), and Kaine as the future of the Dem party back in 2016, but I don't think Pete is in Obama's circle at all. If he were, Deval wouldn't be running now. Makes you wonder what kind of posse the next president will accumulate after eight years in office, doesn't it?

Or President Obama wants to let the primaries weed out the candidate before he announces his endorsement.

I don't think Deval is in Obama's "circle" any more than Kamala is. Stumping for a candidate who is trying to be reelected doesn't mean you are going to support them for President later.

The gay voice is strong with this one

Erm, Deval is definitely in Obama's circle. Quintessential Obamaworld person, in fact.

Don't know why you're putting that word in quotes either, as if you had encountered it for the first time in your life. Bizarre.

Obama likes Kamala and he is close to Deval. He is also still Joe Biden's friend. But he will never endorse during the primary. And many of the Democrats who are contending for the nomination have met with Obama, Bill and Hillary before announcing. Some have also spoken to Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter. it's what one does The Democrats are very much students of History. I like that about them..

r76 proof please of alleged "circle".

Too late. For Bloomberg too. Let's she'd the candidates not add more. And who's this deval bitch anyway?

This irritates me. We need less candidates not more. He must have a huge head.

Tutsi is just a fuckfaced asshole, nothing more.

He's basically a Dem Mitt Romney... the stench of Bain Capital all over him. It's funny y'all are talking about another black man in the race, when we should be nauseated another self-enrichening, uber Capitalist is entering the race.

Y'all of us aren't talking about another black man, just a few racist posters upthread.

Billionaires are worried Warren is going to win and come after them. They're panicking and promising big money to those who will do it. Deval must not be very smart if he fell for that.

Deval is not Democratic Mitt Romney. Just because he worked for Bain doesn't make him evil. Corporations aren't inherently evil Capitalism isn't inherently evil Labor unions aren't inherently evil Socialism isn't inherently evil. It is the lack of balance the undue influence that inflicts harms. Be sensible.

I don't think Obama's endorsement will count for anything.

[Quote] Corporations aren't inherently evil Capitalism isn't inherently evil

I think they are. They are amoral as only the bottom line matters to them.

Well, actually the only thing that will count is Obama campaigning for the nominee and both he 7 Michelle will do that. But Obama has never got on well with the DNC. It has been a problematic relationship. Obama will probably be active in campaigns for the Senate too.

Capitalism stopped working in America in the 80s when it ceased to be Capitalism. You can't win in a system where someone's hand is always on the scale.

Personally I think Yang, Steyer, Tulsi, Booker, Castro, Bennet all need to say good bye and go home.

Bernie too.

The problem I haven't seen mentioned is the wife.

She is very, very mentally unstable. To subject her to a sure to lose campaign is unwise and borders on cruelty.

[quote]How much does Obama actually secretly hate Biden? A lot, I guess.

I don't think Obama hates Biden so much as that he knows that Biden would have trouble campaigning and wouldn't be a strong enough candidate to stand on his own merits. Which let's be real, he isn't.

Biden was picked as VP because of his centrism and because he was milquetoast compared to the others. He would be the "safe bet" of that ticket to people. Frankly, if Edwards hadn't had his troubles, I wonder if he would have been given that slot.

Under fire for sacking the head of the Sex Offender Registry Board over her handling of his brother-in-law Bernard Sigh’s case, Gov. Deval Patrick yesterday declared, “Rape is rape” — the exact same words used by the ousted official when she chided a hearing officer for removing Sigh from the registry.

“Rape is rape,” Patrick told reporters yesterday. “But the problem is not the substance of the decision. The problem is that it is a violation of the rules for appointed officials to intervene in an independent hearing officer’s proceeding.”

Patrick’s office did not respond to questions about why the governor fired his own appointee, board chairwoman Saundra Edwards, for using the same words with hearing officer A.J. Paglia, whose ruling led to Sigh’s name being removed from the sex offender registry.

“Rape is rape,” Edwards told Paglia in May 2008, admonishing him for incorrectly likening California spousal rape to indecent assault and battery, according to an account in the lawsuit Paglia filed after he quit the registry.Boston Herald

Sprain this shit.

You are clueless r78. Deval is very much in the Obama circle, that's like one of the most obvious facts there is to know about him if you know nothing about Deval.

Obama and Patrick are good friends who go way back. And all the Obama circle advisors have close ties to Patrick.

Not that it matters, Obama is not going to endorse anyone til the primary contest is over and he will support the nominee.

r94 can't provide any evidence of said proof

Oh dear. It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.

You must be the only person on the planet debating politics who is unaware Deval and Barack are close friends. Literally look at headlines about him

[Quote]Obama Buddy Deval Patrick Latest to Mull Late Presidential Bid

It was Obama who tried to get him to run in this election way back. An article from 2017

[Quote]Barack Obama is nudging him to run. His inner circle is actively encouraging it. Obama world’s clear and away 2020 favorite is sitting right here, on the 38th floor of the John Hancock Building, in a nicely decorated office at Bain Capital

[quote] Nicolle Wallace Presses Deval Patrick on His Work with Bain Capital: ‘You’re Not Running in a Republican Primary’

Rather snotty of her but MSNBC probably has received their marching orders.

Wallace said If I were your campaign operative, I’d be working with you round the clock on how to deal with the Bain vulnerability. You’re not running in a Republican primary, you are running in a democratic primary. Your party has moved to the left.”

“First of all I love that the party has moved to the left. I love that we are the party of the woke,” Patrick responded. “I have always conducted my personal life and my business life and my life as a civil rights lawyer, my life as an advocate, my life as a mediator and as a governor that way and why. It’s not because I am trying to smooth over issues. I am interested in getting at root causes.”

“I work at the place that was demonized in the 2012 presidential election,” he said, noting that GOP Sen. Mitt Romney’s work with Bain was scrutinized during Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign. “There is a place for private equity in equity in the private economy. There is a place for business in our lives. But there is — it is also true that capitalism, generally, has a lot to answer for. That is so. And we need to be able to confront that and that’s exactly the work I’ve been doing at Bain Capital.”

[quote] How much does Obama actually secretly hate Biden? A lot, I guess.

Hate overstates it, but the body language was clear.

Patrick joined Bain Capital in 2015, and reportedly resigned this morning in anticipation of formally announcing his presidential run.

So many Very White People are going to be confused AF when they realize the Patrick and Booker and two different people.

#TRUTH

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So many Very White People are going to be confused AF when they realize that Patrick and Booker are two different people.

#TRUTH

If it ever comes out that Barack Obama pushed Deval to enter this race, my opinion of our former President will nosedive. I hope this isn’t the work of him secretly pulling levers behind the scenes.

Michelle was also doing her part to try to get Deval to run. This was of course back in 2018

The thing is Deval ignored them and decided not to enter, and now he is entering hella late.

Stop being racist R100.

Are they gonna confuse Biden and Sanders too for being old as fuck?

[quote] The problem I haven't seen mentioned is the wife. She is very, very mentally unstable. To subject her to a sure to lose campaign is unwise and borders on cruelty.

What's with the wife. Haven't read anything about this.

She suffered from depression from going through an abusive first marriage.

That other poster is just being a fucking jackass. Probably a Biden supporter pissed that Obama's actual Presidential choice is now running, and not just someone who's riding his coattails for a win.

And it's not late for people to enter. The race started too early this time.

The deadline to be on the New Hampahire ballot freakin closes tommorow. Entering the race now is the definition of entering it very late.

He works for Bain Capital, Mitt's former outfit and it is threatened by Elizabeth Warren. It isn't about his skin color, it is about the fact that he wants to protect Wall St. whether he says so or not.

R70, Diane Patrick would make a very ineffective First Lady. For the 8 years he was Governor of Massachusetts, we hardly saw her.

Small Deval cited her mental issues as the reason for her near anonymity.

And do we ever know from "ineffective First Ladies" or what?

he seems fey gay...

Do we need another bald black guy jumping into the race? What’s this guy’s deal?

[quote] If it ever comes out that Barack Obama pushed Deval to enter this race,

Obama’s been pushing him to run since 2018. Because things worked out so well with his last hand-picked candidate.

Bain Capital is just plain evil. Evil than most normal evil corporations. There's no getting around that.

R98, Anyone who watched the arrivals at Elijah Cummings' funeral witnessed Obama practically snub Biden.

R111, Rumors of private male only sex parties were rampant when he was Governor.

His Lt. Governor, Tim Murray, resigned abruptly after crashing his 100 mph speeding vehicle into a rock ledge after midnight wearing pajamas. Many suspected he was pursuing a Craigslist hookup or drug deal after Deval Patrick ordered his cell phone records sealed.

[quote]“The former governor began piecing together his own staff, which includes a strategist who worked for Beto O’Rourke’s presidential campaign, Abe Rakov, who will be his campaign manager, and Rosy Gonzalez Speers, a former aide, who will serve in a senior capacity. During a conference call with donors and allies Thursday, Mr. Patrick misstated the name of Mr. Rakov, referring to him as “Gabe,” according to multiple people familiar with the call.”

[quote]“Yet national recognition will be a problem. A touring student who saw Mr. Patrick leave the New Hampshire State House Thursday mistook him for Mr. Booker.”

Oof.

Is he Indian?

He is not, the name just sounds vaguely that way.

Look, he projects energy, he is charismatic, and smart and knows how to frame images. He has a very quick mind too. He can think on his feet. Very sharp guy. So I welcome him. Because right now it's as if we have this cacophony of chatter on that stage and no one is breaking out. Biden should have advanced by now and he certainly should have locked up the money and endorsements.

Here's some political history that I'm aware of about Biden. For sure I know he belonged to the Irish Mafia, the Kennedy cabal in the Senate. Teddy, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, etc. took him under their wing when he was a young Senator. After his wife and daughter were killed, they encouraged him to stay in the Senate instead of resigning, and they remained close for decades.

It was Ted Kennedy who encouraged Obama to run. He & John Kerry were the prime movers. Ted Kennedy didn't like the Clintons. They had a huge falling out over the passage of the CHIP Program legislation when Bill Clinton was POTUS . Bill told Ted he could count on his support, then he backed out and betrayed him at literally the last minute. Ted never forgot it. And he blamed Hillary too.

There were other reasons, but Teddy was no friend of the Clintons and neither was Biden. As affable as he seems, Joe never forgets a slight. And he really doesn't like it when Democrats don't keep their word to other Democrats in the Senate. Biden's problem in his mishandling of Clarence Thomas goes right back to Kennedy and his very public troubles with alcohol and women. Teddy was on Judiciary with Biden.

Point being, Joe 's popularity among fellow senators was limited both by his loyalties and his own personality. He became OBama's VP because Ted Kennedy and John Kerry wanted it. He has never been a Hillary fan, and he definitely has problems with strong assertive women in general. He believes he is"modern" in his outlook because he supports intelligent women, and he can claim the Violence Against Women Act which is important, but he is no feminist any more than Ted Kennedy was.

I can't help feeling this is going to be a real problem, maybe a really big problem, in terms of narrative.

I don't believe Patrick or Bloomberg will win the nomination. I expect one of the current slate, probably Biden, will limp across the finish line. Not just because it is Biden, whoever the nominee will be, they will be further saddled by the media narrative the Dems felt he/she was so problematic they had to rush in last minute alternatives who didn't win the nomination after a war. Neither Patrick or Bloomberg is going to excite anybody, left or centre. Bloomberg is the fourth candidate in a wheelchair and Patrick was spouting cliches yesterday that others are selling more effectively and without sounding like they swallowed helium.

It's just messier than it needs to be,[bold] so a big fucking thank you [/bold]to whoever had their hands in this behind the scenes. I may be looking toward the Obamas in particular, who sometimes, I am afraid, get a little carried away with themselves.

[quote]Because right now it's as if we have this cacophony of chatter on that stage and no one is breaking out.

Well, the polls are out there for your enjoyment and they clearly are showing a four-way race. Besides, there's no need to break out three months before the Iowa caucuses.

[quote]Bloomberg is the fourth candidate in a wheelchair and Patrick was spouting cliches yesterday that others are selling more effectively and without sounding like they swallowed helium.

😂😂😂

So true, omg.

Well here's the thing. I don't think Obama is behind this at all. In fact IMO he may be too disengaged. But what I am noticing is that Obama's people are enthused about Deval in a way they were not about Biden. And Biden is definitely having a problem raising money. BTW: Bloomberg has announced that he is starting a media campaign against Trump right now. Not a campaign to promote his own run, but money going towards ads supporting Impeachment. And I am very grateful, because right now we cannot compete.

[Quote]When Patrick called him this week to tell him he was making a late bid for the nomination, he got advice similar to what Obama has told other White House hopefuls: Make an affirmative case for yourself, show up and be present even in places you might lose, and stay focused on the urgency of defeating President Donald Trump.

Sure, on the record.

Off the record? "Do what Kamala and Booker couldn't."

[quote]Make an affirmative case for yourself, show up and be present even in places you might lose, and stay focused on the urgency of defeating President Donald Trump.

Well, he missed the registration deadlines in Alabama and Arkansas, so he's already fucked up a third of that advice.

[QUOTE] Obama’s been pushing him to run since 2018. Because things worked out so well with his last hand-picked candidate.

Yeah but he didn’t do it. If Obama pushed him to enter the race in friggin March, then fine. But now? This will do nothing but potentially sabotage other candidacies. If Obama told him he should enter the race damn near on Thanksgiving, that’s a whole different ballgame.

He couldn't push him earlier because his wife had cancer. And he was waiting to see how Kamala and Booker (and Biden) would perform, anyway.

Uh, Obama did push him earlier r129. There have been about 5 articles recently linked talking about that.

It was Deval that declined at the time.

Earlier this year, I meant. I'm sure he was pushing him back in 2018.

I don’t give a shit what his wife had, what does that have to do with TODAY? Deval chose not to enter the race. His time had come and gone. If he came back to Barack asking him what he should do almost a year later, then Barack should’ve advised him to sit this one out. If Obama hates Liz and Bernie so much, then there are three perfectly fine candidates he can endorse and support in Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar. We don’t need another goddamn candidate, one who won’t even be on the ballot in multiple states because he already missed the deadline! It’s preposterous!

R133's frustration outlines why I argued at R121 this late entry of unremarkable candidates is going to do more harm than good. I'm feeling blue. I recognize things could change and will in this upset... but our process is unwieldy and uninspiring... I feel we are making it easier for the Republicans when we should be making it harder. Our process is sloppy. So was the Republicans' and look who that yielded last time.

Deval admits he had a "very difficult" phone call with Elizabeth Warren the night before he announced his candidacy.

How many "fucks" do you think she dropped?

And the internal battle begins... I like Warren but do not support her candidacy... I do not blame her or deny her for one single fuck. Who does this guy think he is? They are all legitimate, earnest candidates. They deserve better than these drive by last minute dilettantes.

I'm not unconvinced Hillary won't yet come down from the mountain with two stone tablets. And Chelsea as her VP nominee. I mean, why the hell not?

These people are frustrated because a moderate isn’t running away with the nomination. They think it’s because something must be wrong with these moderate candidates, and therefore we just need another one who will come in and strike oil. This couldn’t be further from the truth! Deval, Hillary, Bloomberg, Al Fucking Gore—you can throw them all in and it won’t make one damn difference other than throwing the race into more chaos. Bernie and Liz are running wonderful campaigns, raising lots of money and have built operations rivaled by some of the best we’ve ever seen—there is no fucking magical DNC-approved candidate who can make them disappear.

But r136, can either Sanders or Warren win the election against Trump?

Great news. Who's Deval Patrick?

My theory is that democrats/donors fear that Trump's open appeal to black male voters is going to be effective (or perhaps they have data showing that it is actually working), so they're hoping someone like Deval Patrick (someone Obama likes and would potentially endorse) or even Bloomberg (NYC billionaire businessman like Trump) will prevent or stop the bleeding. I don't think it's going to work, though.

Democrats aren’t frustrated because a Charismatic moderate isn’t running; they are frustrated that Warren could get the nomination although she would get trounced by Trump. Warren looks like a Dukakis repeat

Can we be honest: it's a very weak field. I have doubts about my candidate and I feel it is a risky bet. Waiting for a hero to swoop in and save us - and it isn't Patrick or Bloomberg.

It exposes just horribly depleted the Democratic farm team is. Why aren’t we recruiting better candidates to run?

It isn't that... it's that the elderly won't stand aside. They have their value, but not when there's a thousand of them.

Term limits. After 75, you should be required to stand down at the next election. Or you can only serve three consecutive terms... one more than the president, but you can run again if you can get nominated, after four years.

[quote]Obama’s been pushing him to run since 2018. Because things worked out so well with his last hand-picked candidate.

Who was his last hand picked candidate?

As long as none of the dem candidates mount an independent campaign, it doesn’t really matter to me who the eventual nominee is. That’s who I’ll support...

[quote] Why aren’t we recruiting better candidates to run?

A-fucking-men. The best we can do is Biden, Warren and Bernie (and the single digits crowd)? Where’s our Bill Clinton? Barack Obama? (and it ain’t Bloomberg or Deval Patrick.) What the fuck, this is pathetic.

What does Deval Patrick have to offer that Booker doesn’t? And why exactly does he feel the need to jump in now?

Some of the candidates allowed themselves to get boxed in. Castro went to heavy on Immigration. He was a single issue candidate even though he didn't mean to be. Same with Harris. She is either discussing racism, or defending her record on criminal justice reform. She has some good proposals out here for education and for healthcare, but they are not given much attention. Joe hasn't really found an issue to discuss. He has no forward looking plans of his own. He looks back too much. Booker has no message beyond "Hey let's all get along!"

We're gonna see a whole lot of candidates drop out. By February 29th. No more Tulsi,Castro,Booker, Yang, possibly Harris or Klobuchar. Bennet for sure. All gone. What you'll have instead is Two socialists, a Gay guy, an unfocused former VP, two billionaires, and Deval.

R144, for the Democrats the last "hand picked" candidate was Hubert Humphrey in 1968.In 72 McGovern got the nomination after massive party reforms of the delegate selection process. he lost...to put it mildly. In 1976, Jimmy Carter ran and outsider campaign and won primaries to get the nomination. In 1980 he ran for re-election and lost. In 1984 it was Mondale's turn. Now he had a lot of backing from the party leadership. He was the establishment candidate so you could say he was hand picked even though he had to run the gauntlet of primaries for delegate selection. In 1988 it was Dukakis.Again, another outsider. Then Clinton, Gore in 2000, Kerry,'04, Obama in 2008.

It will end up being President Buttigieg. And that's a very good thing.

R150. It will end up being president biden after all the attacks. That is a very good thing.

The USS Biden has sailed.

R150= Delusional.

I see r150 is still living in his rainbow colored world where nobody has any problem voting for a gay married man under 40 years old with the limited experience in government of only having been a mayor of a relatively small town.

WAKE UP.

R154, You left out that he's very short.

I don't trust some of what I'm seeing with the Democratic candidates. I have to wonder if the Republicans are spending money to support BErnie Pete and Elizabeth to keep other more effective candidates from emerging. They have done it before. The thing is, The Republicans, and the Russians are whomever, are not sitting on the sidelines. They are up to no good right now.

I wonder if some Democratic candidates are double agents for Repubs

Rolls eyes at R2. Great logic.

If R2 had his way we'd only have yellow mustard.

Wow, he even copied Pete's campaign outfit, right down to the brown belt. The black Buttigieg, indeed.

"The Democracy Alliance, a secretive group of donors on the left who collectively spend hundreds of millions of dollars on politics, is spending this week revving up members to pour money into the 2020 election, warning that inaction could extend President Donald Trump’s time in office.

.... for the most part, they did not express relief or significant enthusiasm at the headline-making late entry of Deval Patrick or the potential addition of Michael Bloomberg to the 2020 primary field."

r161 The GOP has an insane warchest for 2020, which could and will benefit the down ballot races even if Trump is ousted. So thank god the Dems started plotting, secretly or otherwise. Plot right along, as long as you deliver, I say.

I really like him, but no Massachusetts candidates!

Please. Ain't nobody copying corn field Pete. He might start talking like and acting like deval. Since we know he likes to imitate well respected black politicians especially Obama.

Yeah, go with Liz or Bernie and win just 5 states.

Pete will win despite the self-loathing queens that want to play victim.

He was my governor. He sucks. Even centrists I know (I'm a progressive) are unenthused. He's more of a liberal Republican than a Democrat. He was always stealthily cutting the benefits of future state retirees and things like that. He is most definitely a behind-the-scenes Obama pick, I remember him being on Obama's short list of possible candidates before the primaries.

R167, Amen.

He was forced to cancel a rally in Iowa because only two people showed up.

I love Deval, but I can’t support a Massachusetts candidate

Yeah, that accent is pretty naff.

Did anyone see Deval on Hardball. He kept looking down and askance..it was weird. Either he was reading notes or couldn't look Chris in the eyes. It was a very strange affect.

Patrick is running for one reason only: to embarrass Warren in the NH primary. Both are from neighboring Massachusetts and his candidacy will draw votes from her total.

He’s not in it to win it. He’s Wall Street’s speed bump to slow Warren.

And that I support!

Sanders has the momentum, not Warren.

*In the latest Emerson poll, Biden and Sanders are tied at 27%, Warren is at 20%. Warren isn't a real progressive, they're all out to stop Bernie.

That's a national poll. Wait for a new poll out of NH instead; we'll see whose support Deval is eating into then.

Actually he's not going to eat into anyone's support.

R169 only two people showed up to his event at Morehouse College in Atlanta the other day. Say what you want about Pete’s lack of black support but that ain’t good either.

His kind of Wall Street-friendly, Republican-lite Democrat is going the way of the dodo. I'm amazed they keep throwing these uninspiring relics at us and thinking we're going to vote for them because of identity politics.

I agree Sanders has the progressive momentum (though I do not believe a "progressive" will have the nomination or the VP slot. Warren peaked pivoted. That is the problem with pivoting from one position to another... you break some hearts among your true believers and the people closer to your new position wonder what you're really about.

Warren over played her progressive passions and then wandered away from them on her key issue. Not a good look and the polls show she is paying the price.

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^ it's a minor thing but she's gotta be careful... at some point it will be one exaggeration too many... you can't give Republicans own goals like that.

R172, Deval was probably trying to avoid getting Chris' saliva spray in his eyes.