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I'm so sick of the hold jock's and gym rats have over this community

I'm not against physical exercise, rigorous or otherwise. If shaping your physique and having a 6 pack is what you want, cool. But it seems that the majority of these guys have some neurosis, or a very big chip on their shoulder which they overcompensate with through their physique.

They have NO personalities. Their lives are centred around going to the gym. Their faces aren't that special most times (I assume this is why theg body build to begin with). The don't sleep with guys unless they look like them. It's ridiculous.

It's a narcissistic and hedonistic way of life, and I'm sick of it.

by Anonymousreply 176April 14, 2023 11:54 AM

It has to be said: Jealous, bitch?

by Anonymousreply 1November 12, 2019 6:29 PM

R1 Definitely not. 95% of them go overboard with steroids and end up looking gross.

The construction worker's body is an ideal physique to me.

by Anonymousreply 2November 12, 2019 6:31 PM

You can't sit with us, OP.

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by Anonymousreply 3November 12, 2019 6:31 PM

The hold over the community is the collective will of the community. Gay men live for superficial fucks.

by Anonymousreply 4November 12, 2019 6:35 PM

OP: Your pie hole types fat.

by Anonymousreply 5November 12, 2019 6:35 PM

I don't live my life through the egos or narcissism of others. I live it through the desire to gain the most out of each and every experience. I don't have to be jealous of the class jock for the rest of my life. They end up with a big gutt like Billy Masterson in "Romy & Michelle", puking in the alley and making a pass at a girl they ignored in high school, while his wife is carrying around some other guy's baby in her belly. I saw the jocks at my reunion as well as the cheerleaders overloaded with either fat or excess make-up, while the geeks or nerds ended up looking just fine. As for the gay gym bunnies, let them slither in their own misery if they have to be a part of the clone club. Be happy for your own achievements and friends who like you for you, not the ones who are only happy when they are looking in the mirror. That mirror will crack eventually.

by Anonymousreply 6November 12, 2019 6:41 PM

OP is offended. Again.

by Anonymousreply 7November 12, 2019 6:42 PM

Another resentful fatty, that doesn’t want to do the work.

How’s that working out for you OP?

by Anonymousreply 8November 12, 2019 7:01 PM

I'd agree with this. I'm in shape and considered attractive, but it was always hard to find dates when I was single simply because I didn't have a roided out gym body. I was never fat and I was never too skinny either and, if I do say so, my face is much better than most of the gym rats around there who have no personalities at all.

It's a big red flag when you encounter someone with a body like that. Enjoy the sex, because that's all you're gonna get from them. They're too busy in the gym to spend time with you or meet your friends/family.

Granted, I have met some who are different, so I don't want to lump everyone into one big grease fire pile. Even the nicer ones still don't have much time for anyone else but themselves if they're constantly in the gym.

by Anonymousreply 9November 12, 2019 7:02 PM

Hell hath no fury like a former fug.

by Anonymousreply 10November 12, 2019 7:07 PM

OP sounds bitter he isn’t sitting with them.

Vapid wannabe A list types are horrible but it’s easy to avoid them unless you’re trying to be one of them and failing. If you weren’t so desperate to be like them, you’d discover a world of gay guys that aren’t like that and therefore you wouldn’t have come up with this thread.

by Anonymousreply 11November 12, 2019 7:13 PM

OP has been triggered!

by Anonymousreply 12November 12, 2019 7:18 PM

I love 'em.


by Anonymousreply 13November 12, 2019 7:23 PM

Jake Jacobs and his friends are all ugly.

by Anonymousreply 14November 12, 2019 7:24 PM

I think you might be quick to judge. I’ve met many people at my CrossFit box that have several other interests and hobbies. When we get together, we go to art gallery openings, restaurants, go hiking, etc. Everyone brings a different perspective to the group, despite the fact that we are all passionate about fitness.

by Anonymousreply 15November 12, 2019 7:28 PM

“Everyone brings a different perspective to the group, despite the fact that we all live to fuck guys who look like porn stars.“

Fixed it for you.

by Anonymousreply 16November 12, 2019 7:30 PM

[R16] Not accurate, but a tight, muscular body is certainly preferable to a flabby mess. It’s just a preference, what can I say? 😄

by Anonymousreply 17November 12, 2019 7:40 PM

Jock’s what, OP?

by Anonymousreply 18November 12, 2019 8:11 PM

I do think there is a disproportionate focus in the gay community of looking a certain way. It’s not healthy and neither is it realistic, but it doesn’t bother me. It’s the same all over. If people want to put so much time and effort to look a certain way that’s their prerogative. The otters and the twinks and the bears and the gym rats can all live together in harmony.

Looks aside, there’s nothing more attractive than confidence anyway. Right? x

by Anonymousreply 19November 12, 2019 8:28 PM

It's only a problem if you look for it. Plenty of straight men obsessed with working out and aids to help as well- it's not just a gay thing at all. If you don't like them- then don't focus on them. I've been going to gyms/clubs my entire adult life- regularly. I have never taken supplements or aids etc, just good old resistance and aerobic exercise. One of the best choices and habits I've made in my life. In all those years there are compulsive and body image challenged guys pumping away. So what? The more important issue is that obesity and overweight has gone from about 1/4 to 1/3 of the population to over 2/3 sinve about 1980. That to me is much more concerning than a few pumped, manscaped, tatted peacocks. When they are gay I call them waxed fruit. But they certainly don't bother me- it's the overweight folks who make me sad. (I'm in the health care world.)

by Anonymousreply 20November 12, 2019 9:12 PM

Theres always been queens like that,does no one remember the 80s ? I was thin but never "built" and I never had a problem getting laid by all types. I was pretty good looking though (still called handsome but Im not thin anymore!) so that may have helped. Also, I never gave a seconds thought to what some other bitch thought about me and could read a bitch with a quickness if they got to lippy. Love yourself and quit worrying about those Muscle Marys.

by Anonymousreply 21November 12, 2019 9:22 PM

“ Jocks and Gym Rats” only comprise a small percentage of the gay community. It seems like more because they put themselves out there and post content daily. The majority of us are average, working stiffs!

by Anonymousreply 22November 12, 2019 9:25 PM

Ignore it, OP. Do your own thing.

by Anonymousreply 23November 12, 2019 9:26 PM

Don’t let them bother you sweetie. They are overcompensating for major flaws and a void that will never be filled. I live by this motto: “Don’t sweat the small stuff, and it’s ALL small stuff!”

by Anonymousreply 24November 12, 2019 9:26 PM

I think what I hate about it is the herd mentality. I'm not thin, never going to be. Don't care. But when most of the guys who might be alright are not alright because they're victim slaves to Noah's ark Syndrome, it can make for a lonely, frustrating life. You think there's a shortage of tops out there? Try looking for a moderately attractive guy with a moderately successful career and moderately stable personality who's actually content with his place in the caste system.

Guys dying at the gym who actually don't want to, come over to the dark side!

by Anonymousreply 25November 12, 2019 9:31 PM

[quote]The don't sleep with guys unless they look like them. It's ridiculous.

And thus, buried near the end of his unhinged screed, we come to the heart of the matter.

by Anonymousreply 26November 12, 2019 9:40 PM

They will sleep with you if you pay them!!! Most of them are whores.

by Anonymousreply 27November 12, 2019 9:45 PM

R21 makes me sad.

Senile dementia is a terrible thing.

by Anonymousreply 28November 12, 2019 9:51 PM

I don’t get it, watching what you eat and spending 1 1/2 - 2 hours a day, 5 - 6 days a week is such a small part of your life. Even easier with CrossFit, or a functional fitness type gym, since it’s already programmed for you. The results you get are worth it, and you don’t have to be insecure. I bet most of you spend the same amount of time on Datalounge!

by Anonymousreply 29November 12, 2019 9:54 PM

I'm old and fat. What's a 'hold jock's'?

by Anonymousreply 30November 12, 2019 9:54 PM

Are you just now realizing that people who are gym addicts are either neurotic and appearance obsessed or former fatties who are paranoid about gaining a single pound because that means they’ll be poor and alone forever?

Come on, op, you’re better than this.

by Anonymousreply 31November 12, 2019 10:01 PM

Going to the gym is fun, why is everyone talking like it’s a bad thing? The rush, locker rooms, muscles...

by Anonymousreply 32November 12, 2019 10:05 PM


by Anonymousreply 33November 17, 2019 11:28 AM

[quote]Going to the gym is fun, why is everyone talking like it’s a bad thing? The rush, locker rooms, muscles..

I want to be seen for more than by my voluptuous body.

by Anonymousreply 34November 17, 2019 2:06 PM

OP, would you post a photo of what you like? As always, the thread is useless without pics.

Here’s my fave (below).

I’ve posted a pic featuring a completely clothed man, because unless I’m their doctor, or embalmer, chances are they’re going to be wearing clothes when I meet ‘em.

Don’t do orgies, so...

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by Anonymousreply 35November 17, 2019 3:47 PM

R32 Exactly, some of my best fuck buds have come from the gym steam room and showers.

by Anonymousreply 36November 17, 2019 4:22 PM

A bigger question OP is why you WANT to hang out with people who look like the photo in R3 or the men who worship them.

There is life beyond being a ProMo

by Anonymousreply 37November 17, 2019 5:21 PM

PS: There is no creature more intolerable than a femme gay man with muscles. It's like you take the worst qualities of vain 16 year old boys and girls and combine them into an adult being.

by Anonymousreply 38November 17, 2019 5:23 PM

there is nothing wrong about being in shape and being healthy. Guys that fixate on it probably have their own issues but I think its best to mind your own business and associate with people you value for reasons other than just looks. Same thing applies to romantic partners. A gym rat body doesnt guarantee a happy relationship. On th opposite spectrum its hard to respect somebody that is way overweight and doesnt have any self control over what he eats and is too lazy to exercise.

by Anonymousreply 39November 17, 2019 5:30 PM

R37 because there is the possibility, be it ever so slight, that they might be tops

by Anonymousreply 40November 17, 2019 5:31 PM

R3’s pic...

Lake Powell? Is that a new destination for the LA gays? A “Mariners on Meth” weekend package?

Look at ‘em: 👀 !

by Anonymousreply 41November 17, 2019 6:18 PM

[R39] Everyone deserves respect, even if they are 600 lbs. In fact, treating people who are obese with disrespect is only making their problems worse. You also need to understand that their life doesn’t impact yours. I’m sure you have multiple person issues that need your attention - no one is perfect.

by Anonymousreply 42November 17, 2019 6:56 PM

"Community"? What community??

by Anonymousreply 43November 18, 2019 1:15 AM

I love it

by Anonymousreply 44January 1, 2020 12:59 PM

Guys who aren't fit are just as capable of being fakes and flakes.

by Anonymousreply 45January 1, 2020 1:05 PM

r41 I would like to pet the dog.

by Anonymousreply 46January 1, 2020 1:27 PM

It's not a question of me wanting to fit in with the gym rats, because I'm never going to be that. But losing weight and starting to work out to get stronger has made me a lot more comfortable in my skin. In addition to actually allowing myself to be photographed more often (and no, not as ducklipped selfies), my friends have all said when comparing to photos I did used to allow, I look happier now.

That said, if you're carrying a spare tire, come sit by me.

by Anonymousreply 47January 1, 2020 1:40 PM

Rats spread disease.

by Anonymousreply 48January 1, 2020 1:42 PM

You whine fat, OP.

by Anonymousreply 49January 1, 2020 1:58 PM

So everyone who isn't a narcissist is a fatso, R49? What good is a hot body when it is a cover for a repellent personality?

by Anonymousreply 50January 1, 2020 2:01 PM

Eat lead mo.

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by Anonymousreply 51January 1, 2020 3:02 PM

Beg ta differ Jakey ^

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by Anonymousreply 52January 1, 2020 3:04 PM

R52: Two can play at that game, breeder!

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by Anonymousreply 53January 1, 2020 3:16 PM

Bashing back burns calories!

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by Anonymousreply 55January 1, 2020 3:26 PM

I was a bit surprised there weren't more people getting a jump on their resolutions at the gym this morning.

I guess people are still hung over.

by Anonymousreply 56January 1, 2020 3:51 PM

[quote] Going to the gym is fun, why is everyone talking like it’s a bad thing? The rush, locker rooms, muscles...

...the layers of nacreous permacum on the floor...

by Anonymousreply 57January 1, 2020 3:57 PM

[quote]...the layers of nacreous permacum on the floor...

I wish.

by Anonymousreply 58January 1, 2020 3:59 PM

I thought the roided look went out in the 2000's. A lot of gay men got huge in order to look 'healthier' in the age of AIDS.

I don't see that look too much anymore. Everyone likes a healthy body.

by Anonymousreply 59January 1, 2020 4:01 PM

I'll take a young, lean twink, please!

by Anonymousreply 60January 1, 2020 4:05 PM

"I don't see that look too much anymore."

We now have the Insta-ho roided out look currently in vogue.

by Anonymousreply 61January 1, 2020 4:21 PM

Why do people have to offer this glimpse into their imaginary life in every thread. "Oh, I am quite handsome, muscular and diverse in my activities. But I agree with you completely about those other jocks"

I admit to doing it myself sometimes. I try to base it on facts, but it is always the Instagram version. The one where I post the beautiful view from my back porch that manages to obscure the high voltage power lines.

I know it is the same thing that everybody does on SM. But it is always so see through here.

by Anonymousreply 62January 1, 2020 4:28 PM

OP just needs to find better friends.

by Anonymousreply 63January 1, 2020 4:30 PM

^obvious here

by Anonymousreply 64January 1, 2020 4:35 PM

I don't think anyone here would consider any of the guys in R3's photo hot. I don't find them offensive either. They're just SCENE QUEENS.

by Anonymousreply 65January 1, 2020 4:37 PM

OP, don't hate--congratulate!

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by Anonymousreply 66January 1, 2020 6:53 PM

I love aesthetics bros

by Anonymousreply 67February 15, 2020 12:01 PM

In fairness to OP it does kind of trickle down. I was never A, in the day, but I was definitely B+, made A- if I devoted myself to the routines (we're being shallow here so bear with me.) And in my dating experience I found there was such a ruthlessness in gay "men" (most were damaged little boys, truth be told)... the average ones who were striving could often be the worst... semi gym bod, always the national haircut, the usual gauntlet of must haves to create a look that really didn't suit them. Bitches wearing suits that didn't quite fit. So I consciously aimed at what some people would call lower, if you follow the A scale. I only went after guys who didn't rate on the A scale. Because I was in good shape I often got 'why would you want to date a guy like me?' at some point. The guys not on the A scale are often as damaged as the guys who are. It is such a shame. But eventually I met this one, regular, grounded lovely guy and I married him three years ago and it's been terrific. I am very fortunate. But my point was, for everybody calling, hey, fattie, do the work... there's damage happening whether fattie does or doesn't and even if fattie does the work, there seems to be a price to pay in my experience.

In short: nice up everybody, get over it, get on with it. You get one life.

by Anonymousreply 68February 15, 2020 12:13 PM

This guy doesn't spend too much time at the gym and he does ok, so what's the problem?

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by Anonymousreply 69February 15, 2020 12:45 PM

Nasty shaved pubes r69.

by Anonymousreply 70February 15, 2020 12:46 PM

I can handle it to a certain extent. And then I resent it. That creep Davey Wavey is an example of what I resent. It’s not because he is flamboyant or because of the creepy girly face. It’s because he’s always shirtless, he’s entirely focused on appearances, he has nothing of any value to say, and the gay community decided to hold him up as a spokesperson, a hero and someone representative of who we are.

Years ago he got all this credit for posting a rant about ageism among gay men and I was so happy to see this merciless takedown published. But then it looks like Davey Wavey won in the end. No idea where this writer is now but I feel pretty certain that as long as Davey Wavey is still skinny and shirtless, he’s still raking in cash from the gays and partying hard with all the money and adoration.

I stopped reading all LGBT websites and magazines because of this shit. When I was coming of age decades ago, gay media helped me not to feel alone. Now it’s alienating, a widespread Mean Girls “you can’t sit with us” sensibility. Trans people accept no one who isn’t trans. Gay men accept no one who doesn’t look like Chris Hemsworth/Chris Pine/Chris Evans/some generic white CrossFit addict.

Aaron Schock is the true epitome of what the gay community promotes is desirable. That’s the truth of it. Most gay men have no real right to say Schock is a hypocrite because the only value promoted by gay men en masse is appearances. Nothing else matters. The editors of Out and The Advocate would publish a story encouraging gay men to march giddily into a gas chamber as long as they had poppers in hand and were led by porn stars. That’s what it has come down to.

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by Anonymousreply 71February 15, 2020 12:49 PM

R71 what you are describing is called capitalism, plus conspicuous consumption/social climbing.

if the media doesn't make you dissatisfied with yourself, you won't buy their bullshit. so they have to seek out the unattainable to make the rest feel unworthy.

by Anonymousreply 72February 15, 2020 12:54 PM

Is Davey Wavey even a thing any more?

by Anonymousreply 73February 15, 2020 12:57 PM

R73 I‘m afraid to look and so I won’t. Last I saw about him was here, threads about (of course) the social-justice-themed porn studio he started. He is absolute bullshit and the phenomenon that is Davey Wavey had a surprisingly great influence on my disconnecting myself from identifying with gay culture overall. All the gay guys here blame the trans movement, but for me being gay always has been about accepting us for who we are, and creepers like Davey Wavey rose to the top of the gay community by telling us to accept ourselves only after waxing our eyebrows, getting Botox, getting pec implants, starving ourselves, denying aging and hanging out with barely legal porn stars. I find it truly grotesque, worthy of a twisted horror movie, and yet the gay community holds this up as more important than anything else valueswise. Again, Aaron Schock is the fully realized outcome of this sense of values: worship for looks, even as the idol you are worshipping is backing you into the oven.

by Anonymousreply 74February 15, 2020 1:10 PM

I just have a hard time imagining Davey Wavey as a sexual creature.

I just imagine him getting fucked and being unable to tear his gaze away from the mirror where he's admiring his own reflection.

I don't think it's a new phenomenon, though. There was a big patch in the mid-/late-90s where there was the same issue.

by Anonymousreply 75February 15, 2020 1:18 PM

Davey Wavey is such an extreme stereotype

by Anonymousreply 76February 15, 2020 1:37 PM

OP --Add I'm sick of the hold that non-binary and transgenders have over this community. So, I guess it all evens out.

by Anonymousreply 77February 15, 2020 1:41 PM

I dislike drag queen culture

by Anonymousreply 78February 15, 2020 1:47 PM

I relate to Davey Wavey no more than I relate to any transgender person—yet Davey Wavey is embraced by what is supposed to be my community as representative of us.

He’s a 35 year-old exhibitionist narcissist with muscle implants who cavorts with teen sex workers. And the editors of gay media look up to him as he gets richer and richer. And he is one of the prototypes for all the Instahos the DL worships. This really is all most gay men value, seems to be what most gay men want to be. I want to be something else. I don’t fit in with straight people because I am gay and I don’t fit in with gay people because I don’t look like a teen porn star or a 300-pound bodybuilder and I don’t want to.

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by Anonymousreply 79February 15, 2020 1:49 PM

I haven't thought about him in so long, I HONESTLY thought he had gone away.

But no, I looked on SocialBlade and he has over a million subscribers and seems to be continuing to rise.

Weep for the future.

by Anonymousreply 80February 15, 2020 1:54 PM

R78 I’ll say this about drag culture (or at least Drag Race, which is all I know of it): at least people of all shapes and sizes and all types of features and creative interests are accepted by it. People can deny it as much as they want, but at least in DC the message is mercilessly clear: if you don’t look like a model or porn star, cut your hair the right way, work out at Vida Fitness or Barry’s bootcamp, use put-upon gay lingo, make a shitload of money, and otherwise conform and overcompensate, you have no place in gay culture. Period. Not welcome. I am 41 and I have 20 years of experience with this under my belt.

Drag Race, for better or worse, is my last vestige of connection to any gay community. Contestants are funny looking, most of them don’t look like porn stars, they have different hairstyles, different interests and personalities. I have to go to a TV reality show to find that. In DC, to be gay is to be a Stepford sex robot with money.

by Anonymousreply 81February 15, 2020 1:54 PM

I'm with you, OP. Seems like the majority of commenters don't get the main concept. If somebody regularly goes to the gym and wants his/her body to look fit, great and sexy - it's ok.This tiny percentage of narcissism is normal. When it comes down to typical stipid behaviour - constant mirror pics of your body and its parts, talking about calories, special diets and your routine - it's unhealthy!!! Their life focus is shifted. One parallel - women who use lip injections to boost their sexuality or self-confidence or women who have monkey's ass on their faces. Do you see the difference?

by Anonymousreply 82February 15, 2020 1:58 PM

[quote] I dislike drag queen culture

Then burn a bra for Wilson Gavin.

by Anonymousreply 83February 15, 2020 2:16 PM


by Anonymousreply 84February 15, 2020 2:18 PM

Get over your obvious jealousy OP. GO hit the gym instead. They won't fuck you until you do so. Why you think so many queens run to steroids? haha.

by Anonymousreply 85February 15, 2020 2:23 PM

Why is bothering you all if someone is a narcissistic asshole with jelly for brains. Just ignore them. haha.

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by Anonymousreply 87February 15, 2020 3:35 PM

Speaking as an attractive 39 year old man, I won’t acknowledge a guy who doesn’t go to the gym 5 days a week. If you don’t have a gym bod, and you’re under 50, then you don’t exist.

by Anonymousreply 88February 15, 2020 3:44 PM

Whenever I get tangled up in the bullshit of body, I just ask myself, what would Bob Bergeron do?

And R88, you have a lot of work to do because time, elasticity and gravity... they are going to fuck you up.

by Anonymousreply 89February 15, 2020 4:08 PM

You upset people are really just mad at yourselves for being lazy. Stop misdirecting your anger and frustrations and deal with your shit. R89 Gravity fucks everybody in the end. That is the dumbest argument. haha.

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by Anonymousreply 91February 15, 2020 6:38 PM

I know a dude in his 80s who is ripped and buff. Work harder bro

by Anonymousreply 92February 15, 2020 8:23 PM

OP is against physical exercise.

by Anonymousreply 93February 15, 2020 8:37 PM

R81 finds solace from "put-upon gay lingo" on RuPaul's DRAG RACE?

Hunty, please! You must have Sashayed Away when they were Serving No T, No Shade realness.

MMMMM Hmmm ...

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by Anonymousreply 94February 15, 2020 8:42 PM

I smell some "why won't they fuck me?" in OP, which suggests none of the answers here are what he would like.

Agreed, though, on some points. When everyone has a top gym body, everybody becomes less interesting. For me it's the people who don't overdo it or who don't spend a large chunk of their day grooming and lifting and preening. The guy with the naturally lean body catches my eye, or one who has some good quality that he seems not to realize,or the guy whose five overweight pounds are just slightly noticeable on close inspection because he doesn't care about turning every ounce into muscle.

Whatever you look like, whatever some other guy looks like, each person has their own parameters, broad or narrow. The good thing about self-sorting is that it's easy when you realize it's always at play and give into it a bit and allow for some surprises now and then.

by Anonymousreply 95February 15, 2020 8:47 PM

It's times like these we all have to take a moment to remember that it's what's INSIDE that counts.

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by Anonymousreply 96February 15, 2020 9:17 PM

What good is a buff jock bod if the guy is into drag queen culture and acts like a girl? I’d rather have a skinny guy who acts like a regular masculine bro than a buff guy who acts like a girl.

by Anonymousreply 97February 17, 2020 3:17 PM

[quote]yet Davey Wavey is embraced by what is supposed to be my community as representative of us

So you are a horny teenage girl? Davey's main fandom are women.

by Anonymousreply 98February 17, 2020 3:31 PM

Davey is not overall embraced by gay men. He has talked about all the hate he gets from gay men

by Anonymousreply 99February 17, 2020 3:38 PM

[quote] He has talked about all the hate he gets from gay men


by Anonymousreply 100February 17, 2020 3:49 PM

I'd much rather be friends or "friends" with a guy who works out and takes care of himself than someone who makes assumptions and generalizations about other people and who whines about them.

Get ye to a gym, OP.

by Anonymousreply 101February 17, 2020 4:35 PM

R97 Me too. R101 Agreed.

by Anonymousreply 102February 17, 2020 4:46 PM

Excellent trolling OP

by Anonymousreply 103February 17, 2020 5:44 PM

Suggest you find your own life and world OP and leave others to themselves. You'll be much happier.

by Anonymousreply 104February 17, 2020 6:42 PM

I’m not

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by Anonymousreply 105March 23, 2020 3:00 PM

R30: Can’t you just see it? The Hold Jocks and the slithery Gym Rats, sloshing around with the bilge in the hold, doing their jumping jacks and crunches?

by Anonymousreply 106March 23, 2020 3:11 PM

I prefer skinny guys like this.

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by Anonymousreply 107March 23, 2020 5:48 PM

I don’t

by Anonymousreply 108March 23, 2020 5:53 PM

I don’t

by Anonymousreply 109March 23, 2020 5:53 PM

R107 Fems are, at best, a niche product

by Anonymousreply 110March 23, 2020 6:07 PM

Most skinny dudes are not fem

by Anonymousreply 111March 23, 2020 6:12 PM

What community?

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by Anonymousreply 113March 23, 2020 6:13 PM

Has someone “Oh, deared” the OP for jock’s yet?

Out of shape, envious, and failed 4th grade English ...

by Anonymousreply 114March 23, 2020 6:18 PM

R110 Not really fem, just a pretty skinny twink.

by Anonymousreply 115March 23, 2020 6:33 PM

There are so few men available to date compared to straights. Few of us have enough conventional beauty to capture the attention of a boyfriend. The average guy is just normal looking. We can't really control our faces, but we can control our body from the neck down. If you workout and look great with my shirt off then I may be able to increase my chances of snagging a man.

I think besides the A and B-list gays that are never without options, many of us are terrified of growing old alone. We go through extreme measures to keep pace in this race against time and hotter men.

by Anonymousreply 116March 23, 2020 6:45 PM

Mad props to R74. Very well-written.

by Anonymousreply 117March 23, 2020 7:39 PM

If your just average , which there is nothing wrong with that, you just also have to be rich ( $150,000/ yr or up) to be happy. So get a plan together or get in the gym.

by Anonymousreply 118March 23, 2020 10:32 PM

And if your grammar is just average (as in "If your just average" R118), definitely come up with a plan.

by Anonymousreply 119March 24, 2020 8:40 PM

And thanks to COVID 19, the sacred temples of the gym rats are closed indefinitely. And sorry to inform you, it'll be much longer than 30 days. For those who didn't Invest in sufficient home equipment to perpetuate their addiction, the diehards will never maintain the bulk and ripped muscle that only professional gym equipment can provide. For even the most disciplined, the new norm of social distancing, loneliness, and depression will increase the temptation to stress eat, and bestow the jocks and gym rats with a wake-up call that's long overdue. It's called "hot bodies and empty cities." Can't beat that combination! Jelly rolls anyone?

by Anonymousreply 120March 30, 2020 11:14 PM

In your dreams fattie ^

by Anonymousreply 121March 30, 2020 11:25 PM

We're going to make fit-fat happen, R120. Prepare yourself for extreme overhead shots with our phones to maximize our eyes and minimize our impending corpulence.

by Anonymousreply 122March 30, 2020 11:28 PM

This gym rat had emergency equipment, TRX bands (you fatties probably don’t know what those are), weights and more. My gym has online workouts, which helps as well. Not losing those gains!

by Anonymousreply 123March 31, 2020 7:16 PM

When the supermarkets close and the National Guard will have to deliver Meals on Wheels to your doorstep, be sure to tell them you want extra protein. Or blow them for an extra chicken breast. Good luck with your TRX bands.

by Anonymousreply 124March 31, 2020 7:29 PM

I think a lot of gay men try to recreate, in themselves and in their partners, a fantasy imagine of what a man is or their interpretation of what masculinity is.

I also think that many of us (I can't speak for the younger generation) grow up alone and isolated in our lives and suffer for some time in silence. It does damage to our relationships with men in particular, because they are objects of lust and fear.

These bodies, in some people and in some ways, represent the need to be 'manly' to be strongn to be able to defend oneself, to feel attractive when the men around you growing up didn't look at you twice.

Seriously, this world has fucked a lot of us up. And rather than believing us, a lot of people will just minimise and dismiss our reality.

by Anonymousreply 125March 31, 2020 7:40 PM

Beautiful people always have a leg up - just accept it and move on as this is something you cannot change.

by Anonymousreply 126March 31, 2020 7:41 PM

R126 No, but COVID-19 and the devastating effects it's bound to foist upon our economy, personal lives, and physical and mental health, will likely get that "leg up" and snap it right off, when people have nowhere to go, no gym to indulge in, and non-essential businesses such as hair salons and beauty-related stores, shut indefinitely. Add to that the encroaching layoffs, budget cuts, and likely recession if not depression coming down the pike. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but the optometrists and the opticians are closed. Even the Rentmen are feeling the blow (no pun intended). If these restrictions continue, the concept of beauty may be reinvented, along with movie theatres, department stores, open buffets, Broadway, dance clubs, etc.

It will be a wake-up call to the narcissistic and the vain who, perhaps, now will have to put their energies in more productive arenas. Instead of three hours at the gym 6 days a week, they may find themselves having to work three jobs 5 days a week. Just watch and wait.

Beauty is a temporary parking place, kiddos. Just look at anybodyin a nursing home. Many of them, believe it or not, were knockouts in their time. It'll be you one day. if you live that long.

by Anonymousreply 127March 31, 2020 8:01 PM


Men will not change

But you keep telling yourself that

by Anonymousreply 128March 31, 2020 8:17 PM

[quote] If your just average ,

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 129March 31, 2020 8:24 PM

R128 Men will have to change, pumkin, when the world around them is changing. In just two fucking weeks, the world changed. Unless you're Helen Keller, pull your head out of your ass and look around.

by Anonymousreply 130March 31, 2020 8:33 PM

r128, this idea "men will not change" is ridiculous. EVERYONE'S behavior changed after the AIDS crisis, and everyone's behavior is changing again because of the cororonavirus crisis.

by Anonymousreply 131March 31, 2020 8:39 PM

We will see, unfuckable ones at r130 / r131

Bookmark this thread and let’s check back in a year

by Anonymousreply 132March 31, 2020 8:46 PM

OP, the snobbery of the gym queen crowd used to really bother me until my early 30s, and then I did some growing up finally, as most gay men eventually do.

"Mean girl" types can only bother you if you care what they say. Once you no longer care what they think of you, or want to go to their watering spots, you'll be free.

The trick, though, is that you cannot say you're doing this but then secretly expecting they'll fuck you. They will only ever want to fuck one another willingly. You really have to leave them entirely alone, unless you can make enough money to hire them occasionally as escorts. But you need to look elsewhere for genuine love.

by Anonymousreply 133March 31, 2020 8:46 PM

Wise words r133

Or you just get a gym membership, actually use it, and watch what you eat.

Voila, you’ll be able fuck the gym crowd without paying for it, and you will, physically and emotionally , feel better about yourself.

It’s not rocket science. Anybody can be the best they can be. All it takes is willpower.

by Anonymousreply 134March 31, 2020 9:20 PM

I don't get this shortage of tops, or handsome guys, etc. what I think is that many have unrealistic standards of what they think they deserve and look for. I've never had a problem getting laid, I'm a total bottom, masculine an common guy. I do think many posters here want porn models as partners and feel entitled to them, I don't understand why would you want to fuck these type of guys. They look artificial and beyond damaged.

by Anonymousreply 135March 31, 2020 10:00 PM

I don't get the top shortage either. I think people that claim there is a shortage of tops are what R135 is talking about--people with unrealistic expectations--or they aren't "built" like someone a guy would feel dominant with.

by Anonymousreply 136March 31, 2020 11:13 PM

All pumped up and then the purses come tumbling out of their mouths. And then the venom. Puke. Give me straight guys any day.

by Anonymousreply 137March 31, 2020 11:16 PM

Very interesting thread. And Very interesting Aaron Schock and Dr. Jake were used as examples of the worst aspects of the gay community.

by Anonymousreply 138April 1, 2020 5:19 AM

I am genuinely happy to see that there is not a single active thread dedicated to some shirtless Instagram slut, some porn star, some homeless chaturbate star/drug addict. Usually there are many. Maybe it takes a plague to get gay men thinking about anything other than the next naked gymbuilt body.

by Anonymousreply 139April 1, 2020 10:06 AM

I can tell the difference between gym queen and brought up playing sports. Abs aren't quite as chiseled, but the body moves so much more naturally. The physique benefits from being built up while the body was developing with a specific purpose.

I'm not putting you girls down. I take the bunnies out for a spin now and again. It's just not the same as being a real man.

by Anonymousreply 140April 1, 2020 10:28 AM

I like bears and guys who are rocking some chunk, so they have no hold over me.

by Anonymousreply 141April 1, 2020 11:07 AM

I see a lot of backlash against 'muscle gays' lately, and it really puzzles me. Sure, you do get some guys who are muscular and have a shitty attitude thinking they are better than everyone, but not everyone who is a gym regular is like that.

Call people out for having a shitty attitude, but it's not fair to call someone out for having a hobby they enjoy that gives them a hot body. It takes a lot of work to maintain a muscular physique and muscle-bashing just makes you look bitter and envious.

If you don't like the look and you don't want to be muscular yourself, you don't have to be - but you don't need to denigrate those who do. I'm not some muscle god but I'm relatively muscular and it's not all I am.

by Anonymousreply 142April 1, 2020 12:38 PM

The bitterness is strong is strong in r139 and r140

by Anonymousreply 143April 1, 2020 1:24 PM

Not bitterness, obi wan. It is arrogance you sense.

by Anonymousreply 144April 1, 2020 4:37 PM

I don’t know what everyone’s problem is, being fit and active enriches your life. Recently, while visiting London, part of the fun was visiting gyms. Rebel1 was definitely my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 145April 2, 2020 3:20 AM

"Gym rats", sure, maybe. "Jocks" definitely not. At least not in Atlanta.

The ones I know couldn't kick a ball.

by Anonymousreply 146April 2, 2020 4:32 AM

I had no idea guys who work out were made to feel bad about how they look.

by Anonymousreply 147April 2, 2020 1:01 PM

R147 they’re not. Guys who work out have many advantages over those who do not.

Certain posters on this thread are hilarious and sad.

by Anonymousreply 148April 2, 2020 1:06 PM

No no... UKGuy really speaks volumes.

by Anonymousreply 149April 2, 2020 1:24 PM

R119 You type like you have soft features and male pattern baldness. I can right water flow equations to solve dam pressure. Fuck your moronic grammar posts and effeminate sensibilities.

by Anonymousreply 150April 5, 2020 12:18 PM

write …. b4 R119 gets back from his Barbie Doll collection room and observes the misuse. lol

by Anonymousreply 151April 5, 2020 12:21 PM

I think I’ve been working out more while sheltering in place, good thing I have emergency workout equipment. Zoom workouts with my gym also helping.

by Anonymousreply 152April 5, 2020 1:36 PM

Most of us are with you, OP. But it's not just the gay community, and the phenomena has been around since the advent of mass production and mass markets..our society sells youth and beauty. Most of us, as we mature, realize that there are more important qualities to seek out in a man...intelligence, kindness, caring, a sense of humor, and curiosity. Don't get me wrong...I'm in the gym (Or was until 'Rona came to town, but I'll be back there when that skanky 'ho leaves) to stay fit, stay healthy, and look good. And I still get hard looking at an athletic, young guy with a bodaciously beautiful bubble butt and a boilerplate basket. But I'm still more interested in the pillow talk afterwards.

Take this advice, OP...ignore most social media!

by Anonymousreply 153April 5, 2020 5:53 PM

You called, r142?

by Anonymousreply 154April 11, 2020 2:45 AM

OP They’re just not that into you.

by Anonymousreply 155April 11, 2020 2:50 AM

I've always preferred nerds, being one myself, so the men pictured at [R3] have never interested me. Beyond their looks, which I find unremarkable, they always seem to be doing things I find unappealing. I hate the beach, I hate swimming pools and I hate sunbathing; I would never wear a sleeveless shirt or go bare-chested in public and would feel like an idiot if I did. So why would I spend time with them regardless of what they looked like?

Give me a cute dork with a Met membership any day.

by Anonymousreply 156April 11, 2020 3:13 AM

R139 dammit I knew there was something missing lately! I'll get onto that right away

by Anonymousreply 157April 11, 2020 3:19 AM

[R156] I think the appeal of men who spend time working out and going outdoors is that they’re actually living life. I find more inspiration for my art in nature than in museums. Love museums, go often, but it’s better to be adventurous.

by Anonymousreply 158April 11, 2020 3:43 PM

You;re only living life if you're out in nature? That seems like a false equivalency to me.

And the sort of people this thread is about don't strike me as enjoying nature per se. They;re out at the beach not because they love marine biology. They're at the beach so they can take their shirts off. Tell them about kelp forests and seal colonies and coral reefs and their eyes would glaze over.

by Anonymousreply 159April 11, 2020 4:07 PM

With gyms closed now for potentially months into the future, and likely to reopen in a very different, masked, more clothed and protective manner, it's inevitable that a lot of abs will be turning to flabs and looks to crooks.

I am personally thrilled. In fact, this is long overdue. It is a reminder to the many, many superficial, narcissistic, and oversexed straight and gay statues with a pulse that it isn't all about you and it isn't all about looking good.

It's about being good. Adversity and death. The equalizer.

by Anonymousreply 160April 18, 2020 7:37 PM

Fat unfuckable ninny ^

by Anonymousreply 161April 18, 2020 7:57 PM

I think I'm the only one on her who prefer twinks. I like Froy and others like him.

by Anonymousreply 162April 18, 2020 8:04 PM

R160 gyms being closed hasnt affected my fitness - I've been digging a 25 foot trench and smashing up a whole lot of concrete. And cycling a lot. I may come out of lockdown even fitter hopefully. I do miss the gym showers though I'd admit

R162 I far prefer twinks too, Froy is beautiful. And I like them even more if they're fem

by Anonymousreply 163April 19, 2020 5:49 AM

My type

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by Anonymousreply 164December 29, 2020 8:02 AM

All gays are jocks. I thought jocks hated gays fir not being manly and tough aka jocks

by Anonymousreply 165December 29, 2020 8:08 AM

R165 All gays are jocks? I dont think so

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by Anonymousreply 166December 29, 2020 8:53 AM

JFC OP you're a sour old twat

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by Anonymousreply 168January 1, 2021 7:47 PM

More like this!

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by Anonymousreply 169June 1, 2022 2:24 AM

Don't be jealous OP

by Anonymousreply 170March 26, 2023 2:01 PM

In many gay men's experiences, a fabulous body does not always equate to fabulous sex. Often the opposite; they're so used to being adored that they've never had to do "any of the work." We called them 'Stargazers.' It wasn't a compliment.

If you're purely visual, i guess the body is the key to getting off.

Beyond the visual, a lot of us are looking for something more to turn our cranks.

by Anonymousreply 171April 5, 2023 11:48 PM

[quote] "I'm so sick of the hold jock's and gym rats have over this community"

What was the logic behind adding the apostrophe +s to "jock", but not "rat"? It seems to arbitrary.

by Anonymousreply 172April 5, 2023 11:53 PM

[quote] "It seems to arbitrary."

*SO arbitrary

by Anonymousreply 173April 6, 2023 12:04 AM

I’m tired of fat people

by Anonymousreply 174April 6, 2023 12:06 AM

I love it!

by Anonymousreply 175April 14, 2023 11:08 AM

Then ignore it OP. I’m 69 years old and gay men have been gym rats for as long as I can remember. It’s really not a problem for you.

by Anonymousreply 176April 14, 2023 11:54 AM
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