13 California Cities Have Begun Banning All New Home Gas Hookups

Canvas bags, electric stoves, sippy cups instead of straws. Being green is not sexy. I don't care how much they push it.

Solar power is the only way.

I don't know about California, but where I live, no one has electric heat and most stoves, dryers, water heaters are gas. Electric is like 4-5 times more expensive that gas.

What the ever lovin’ fuck?! I hate dumbass environmentalists who are hell bent on making life harder. None of these asinine measures will save the planet because 95% of the world’s population would never subscribe to such extreme measures. I’m happy to recycle, use less water (though I will flush every time no matter what), but no gas stove or oven? Fuck that! Of course, Berkeley led the way. Maybe they should do something about their street-shitting, drug-addicted, aggressive hobos rather than someone who wants a gas oven.

I live in California and have all gas appliances: water heater, furnace, range, dryer. Also a gas fireplace (which can burn wood as well and gas stub on my patio for a grill hookup (which I don't use.) Gas is VERY common in California. And burning gas to create heat is a much more efficient use of energy (and thus much less expensive) than using electricity for the same application.

Fuck that. I love my gas stove.

Another reason to hate California

How many restaurants have electric stoves? You need FIRE to cook properly, dammit.

I don’t care about hot water heaters or clothes dryers, but my food needs a flame.

Why do all the trees in Nevada lean to the west? Because California sucks!

California has passed laws that affect Californians in those 13 cities, not you dumbasses in other states weighing in here, feeling affronted.

Yet another reason to hate dumbass dimwits.

One of the biggest problems with natural gas is storage. We need it and most of our gas comes as a byproduct of petroleum drilling. We have so much of it, we can't store it, so we have to sell it.

This drives the price down and makes it even more attractive.

Same thing with helium.

I have a cheap camping butane gas stove I use for wok cooking. I recommend them highly.

[quote]I don’t care about hot water heaters or clothes dryers, but my food needs a flame.

OK, Flamer.

This is odd. Natural gas is cleaner than oil, also used. It’s touted as a “bridge to renewables”. It’s cheap. I pay about as much as I did 25 years ago, due to fracking. My Mom’s electric stove, was notorious, within the family, for not being able to cook a certain holiday side dish we serve. It couldn’t get hot enough. I love my gas appliances and heat.

I’m In Massachusetts.

[quote]What the ever lovin’ fuck?! I hate dumbass environmentalists who are hell bent on making life harder. None of these asinine measures will save the planet because 95% of the world’s population would never subscribe to such extreme measures.

Especially because the US is doing very well with their environment initiatives. It's China and India that are putting out more pollution than everyone else.

And now home prices and apartment rentals in California will go up even higher to comply with yet another regulation,

And they wonder why there are thousands of homeless people camped out on the sidewalks.

Because gas is so cheap now and for the foreseeable future, a lot of electric generating plants have switched to gas.

Electricity has to be created somehow. Unless it’s nuclear or hydro, it’s probably created by gas. Weren’t there electricity shortages in CA and elsewhere, due to summer under-capacity? Who needs to worry about that? Upgrade the grid, then call me! Not that I’ll answer, as I like my gas!

I also love my gas clothes dryer. In my condo, gas is a common expense, so it costs me next to nothing for toasty clothes. An electric dryer would probably be expensive to run, as I pay electric entirely by myself. And electric just doesn’t get hot enough.

So, I want to keep my dryer. And, it’s 25 years old and never needed servicing! Good old Kenmore!

This sentence is false as it stated about storage:

"We have so much of it, we can't store it, so we have to sell it."

My uncle makes good money leasing a salt dome on his property for natural gas storage.

Thank God for Environmentalist! They have saved our lives. There are no better heroes than people who strive to protect our planet...protecting us from poison. Fools who can not grasp that should be forced into a vat of chemicals.

Cooking on an electric stove is just awful. The food even tastes terrible

I honestly had no idea the shift towards natural gas was bad for the environment

Does anyone have an induction range? Does it cook wel and get hot enough?

I was thinking on getting one when I remodel my kitchen

R14 your mother had a shitty stove.

Environmentalists never think about the poor. People are struggling as it is and you have to go and make everything more expensive.

All this is just rearranging the deck chairs.

The hand wringing about how this will hurt the poor is absurd. Poor people will get hit first and worst by climate change.

There is no solution at this point, only mitigation of damages.

[quote] Cooking on an electric stove is just awful. The food even tastes terrible

I'm sorry, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements ever written on this board.

R24, that’s true, but it always added excitement and daring to the challenge of making potato balls; and whether they would hold together, or disintegrate into what would then be served as potato soup.

Someone here really loves their electric stove. That’s cool, man.

But please show me a restaurant kitchen that uses electric ranges for making their food. I don’t mean Panera, where they use microwaves to heat up their bags of soup. I mean a real cook’s/chef’s kitchen.

I mean, you can cut most food with a plastic knife, too.

[quote] R22: I honestly had no idea the shift towards natural gas was bad for the environment

Well, natural gas is talked about as a “bridge” to renewables. Of course, at some point, you have to cross that bridge, if that is your intention. I suppose that these CA towns decided that this is the time to cross. I’m not defending them, just explaining.

Having taken the Boris bait...

It's Cali. Sometimes it leads, sometimes it steps in bum shit while excruciatingly high.

[quote] Same thing with helium.

Oh bullshit r11.

[quote]There is no solution at this point, only mitigation of damages.

Which is why I'm glad I'm old.

r19

You're uncle is storing a tiny bit of the overall product. The vast majority of gas and helium cannot be stored, so it's sold and it drives down the price.

This is why he won

TRhey elected these people . Elections have consequences

Does gas affect wildfires? Do homes explode when they burn, making wildfires worse?

I thought we we running out of helium.

I've never lived in a home with gas. It's very uncommon where I live. I would be terrified of a leak or explosion.

I live in the Hamptons and every year we have a house explode because some contractor’s worker was either doing renovations or tearing down a house and didn’t properly turn off the gas.

[quote]And electric just doesn’t get hot enough.

That's baloney. We have an electric dryer, and the clothes get dry.

My partner and I do all our cooking with electric now. We use an Instant Pot, an Oster convection toaster/oven, a coffee maker and a microwave oven. We haven't turned on the regular stove or regular oven at all this year. I even bake bread in the Oster oven. Once in a while we grill outdoors, and the grill has one of those small propane tanks. Other than that, we're all electric now. The Instant Pot can be used for satueeing, boiling, steaming, pressure cooking or slow cooking and it is our appliance of choice for most things.

I posted a comment on JMG's post that when we buy our home the plan is solar and a natural gas fired generator.

And to the poster who brought up the fact that electricity is more expensive. I moved from the northeast U.S. served by National Grid - they charged, get this 22 cents a kWh when you took the total amount of bill and divided by the number of kW used. Down here in Dekalb County GA it's 12 cents. Yeah, we were getting screwed in the northeast.

I don't get why gas stoves are used in the US. Here in Norway we use electric stoves, they work fine.

I had gas in my apt in NYC but electric here in my house. I don’t see what the big deal is with gas

We get 98 % of our power from hydro btw.

Induction is the future. Catch the vision.