Buttigieg's new appeal to black voters: The Obama era was a failure

For being the mayor of Podunk, Indiana he sure is arrogant.

I don't think he's saying the entire Obama era was a failure -- he's saying that certain things that failed during that era gave Trump & the GOP an opening to do what they're doing now.

Thank, Obama!

Progressives have been saying for years that Obama was not only a disappointment as a progressive that was supposed to bring about real change but pivoted quickly to governing like a moderate Republican..

Want to hear from a real black person on why black voters don't really care much for Buttigieg? Tim Black is a progressive YouTuber with his own channel and breaks it down..

Since he is the White Obama (intelligent drone with no experience for the job) he should be building on Barry's image- not trashing it. He should also be promoting Obamacare, offering to fix it- not trash it and start over.

This sounds like a fatal misstep for Petey. Eight years of recovery and prosperity is nothing to dismiss.

Kamala: you're not helping yourself here.

Black twitter is gonna scorch him tonight

How the heck does he get off criticizing Obama, when his team is literally using the Obama playbook for a sneak attack win in Iowa. Geeze, if elected he might be able to be even more arrogant than Trump. There is a way of saying we are simply not going back to the Obama era without shitting on the legacy of the first black president, the finest US president in the 21st Century, and the most popular politician in the Party.

I really don't know why this bitchy Pete keeps seeping out, but he is turning me off to what should be an exciting candidacy. First his Chic-fil-A (love the chicken, hate the homophobes) comment, then his Zuckerberg friendship, all before his flop South Bend black outreach, and now "the failures of the Obama era..." What a jerk.

What Pete said was: “The failures of the Obama era help explain how we got Trump."

That is different from saying "The Obama era was a failure".

But Pete will still need to clarify.

Just shows how stuck in his Lilly white bubble he is. The only thing Obama did to give us trump was be black. Pete seems unable to recognize that the “failures” were because of a racist backlash to a black president. Never smart to insult Obama even if you get your cunt press secretary to “clarify” later. The damage is done.

Have we forgotten already that the MSM has tried and is still trying to portray Buttigieg as the new Obama? MSNBC and CNN have been going into overdrive trying to push the new darling of corporate Democrats as a viable contender..

He shouldn't have used the word failure and Obama in the same sentence. Why is it so hard for Democrats to fall inline? A Republican would never call Reagan or even W a failure (maybe Trump has, IDK). You don't take shots at the elders of your party, especially the popular ones. Pete is so full of himself.

Even Bernie and Gabbord avoid being as direct with throwing Obama under a bus. Pete is smart and knows his ways around words. I'm not going to pretend like I'm a MAGA person and spin. He could have approached that topic in 1000 different ways but chose to call Obama's actions (some of them I suppose) a failure.

Why do you assume black people think Obama was a success in all areas? i can tell you that black twitter is very critical of Obama on some fronts.

This is a bad faith reading of what @PeteButtigieg said. He always leads any conversation about @barackobama with praise for all that he achieved.

Pete’s comments were about the era- not the man or the presidency.

Mayor Pete looks like he could be a character in a Sids and Kroft 7Os tv show.

r13 I don't think Pete is the right messanger to be criticizing Obama. Especially when he tries to model his campaign after Obama's. More importantly, he's a conservative white man, blaming the black guy, for other white people voting in a racist white man. If he was more specific in his statement it would be better, but blaming an entire era is not a good look. It's saying, the black guy had some accomplishments, but overall he sucked so bad that we got Trump. Even if it's true, he's in your own Party so there is no benefit in trashing Obama.

r16 Can you explain exactly how he's modeling his campaign after Obamas?

Obama had weak support with black voters in the south prior to Iowa, limited national experience, brought midwest sensibilities, made a huge gamble on Iowa. Once the Iowa inertia sets in, he hopes that the south will fall in line as well. The news has been running a number of stories about their similarities. He's placing a lot of hope in an Iowa win to propel him through the south and gain black support. Same thing Obama did.

I hate to say this, but he is right. The Obama administration dropped the ball around Russia. His administration will forever be known for being blindsided by Russia.

R18, Obama had around 30% with black voters before Iowa. His support was not “weak”, that’s a line Pete fangirls have been trying to push to make it seem like petes black voters problem isn’t dire. He was behind Hillary but it’s not fair to compare his situation to Pete who is polling at a whopping 0% with black voters nationally.

r20 There's no Obama in this race, where are black voters going to go, the Harvard professor?

Unsurprising. White gay men grew up on all the privilege of white men and only lost some status if/when their sexuality was discovered. They'll forever be angry they were leapfrogged be a black guy and can't countenance a woman getting there first either. They can go fuck themselves. I'd give Trump a second term before I ever vote for a white homosexual male.

Pete just proved that what we see on DL larks underneath their surface in real life too.

[quote] The only thing Obama did to give us trump was be black.

How does that work when Obama was also black the two times he was elected?

Twitter was truly a mistake

Pete, c’mon you’re smart enough to know how dumb Americans are...

R18 No sane strategists think you can shit on Obamas legacy and win the black vote. Pete has decided to try win without black support. He hopes to compensate with white moderates. Maybe he even thinks he's middle of the road ideas will buy moderare white republicans. It's stupid and would have lasting implications on the Dems base. The Republican party will finally be able to split the black vote by leaning in for the religious conservatives. The map would change permanently and it would not be in the Dems favor.

Does Mayor Pete suffer from THE VELVET RAGE?

I've said this before and I shall it again. Pete Buttigieg would be a Republican if he wasn't gay.

He's so available to the press that he was bound to start making mistakes. He's not wrong that there were quite a few failures during the Obama era, but you can't voice that during this election cycle as a Dem candidate. As for the moron who called him "conservative," in what universe? He's more liberal than Obama.

Didn't Bernie Sanders almost win the democratic nomination based off establishment resentment, there's a lot of people who don't think Obama was perfect

[quote]Unsurprising. White gay men grew up on all the privilege of white men and only lost some status if/when their sexuality was discovered. They'll forever be angry they were leapfrogged be a black guy and can't countenance a woman getting there first either. They can go fuck themselves. I'd give Trump a second term before I ever vote for a white homosexual male.

Riiiiiiight, because the current mound of orange blubber in the White House isn't the least bit entitled or white, and has dome so much for women and minorties.

But notice how that bitch would be perfectly happy to vote for a white heterosexual male., R31 We all know that group is not entitled at all. Why do homophobic bitches come to this website?

R30 Bernie was an anti establishment candidate which Buttigieg is definitely not. The people who want to hear that Obama failed would never vote for Pete. For one thing they're already split between Warren, Bernie, Yang etc. Also, Bernie was always careful not to shit this hard on Obama. He spent many debates reminding us that he fought for Obama on practically every measure in the Senate.

R28 no he would not

This fool is going for the center voters who are so center that they wouldn't vote for Biden because he VP'd for the black socialist. That and he is flashing his middle finger at the black base which will certainly go very well for him in the South.

r29 I called him conservative because that is how he portrays himself. I agree with r28, if Pete was straight he would like;y be a Republican, probably in congress right now. I don't have facts beyond what I observed, as a fellow gay man that grew up in a small town in IN. I know the type, but he wouldn't make any strides in IN as a gay Republican.

He is like former Missouri Gov. and Rhodes Scholar/Navy Seal Eric Greitens.

Fancy education? Check.

Military Service? Check.

Religious? Check.

Married? Check

I'm only comparing him because Pete reminds me of these smart small-town guys they have their eyes on the WH. Follow the religion, military, education formula used time and time again as the model of the ideal model of a Republican candidate. The only fly in the ointment is his sexuality. I see him as a conservative, buttoned-up guy that became a Dem because of his sexuality. Plus, Pete has this latent rage that reminds me of the former governor. Like he'd slap a bitch behind closed doors. Again, this is my personal view.

He needs to stop wasting his energy on southern black voters who’ve already decided to vote for Biden and would never even think about appointing a gay man as president and start focusing on winning over the rest of the Dem base. Most black dem voters are supportive of Biden, because they look at him and see Obama, so the other candidates don’t stand a chance. The rest of the Dem base sees Pete as a faulty candidate. He needs to focus on making himself seem like a strong, intelligent, reliable candidate for presidency with the rest of the voters before he starts pandering to southern black people who wouldn’t dream of voting for a fag.

R31 That's right. I'll sit at home before I vote for this polished turd. FYI, I'm not a woman as you seem to think. I'm a richly melanated gay man. And you better believe that it's not just women who has issues with white gay men.

His campaign looks weak to the majority of voters and to his opponents. Maybe focus on making yourself seem like a stronger candidate in the eyes of people who you’ve got a chance of convincing, rather than a lost cause.

His candidacy is fucked now. All of his trying to sway black voters and focusing on appealing to both political parties is proving that he’s a small town politician who’s out of his depth. He needs to quickly fire whoever is giving him advice.

To his opponents, R39? The ones who are consistently polling lower than him?

r36, for the man to be a conservative, he needs to hold conservative views. He doesn't. His entire platform is progressive (maybe not Warren/Sanders level "you'll get everything for free and don't worry your pretty little heads about how it'll be paid for" but still progressive).

[quote]I'm not a woman as you seem to think. I'm a richly melanated gay man.

What a strange thing to assume that I thought. I assumed you were a man.

R30, No, Sanders never came close to winning the Democratic nomination. He fell behind Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday and never caught up. His campaign was dead man walking for months, but he liked the money and his followers sucked at electoral math.

R37 Even if Biden has the black vote locked, the reality is Pete is going to need black votes to win a general election. How does he plan to carry the South without them?

Lol. There's nothing progressive about Mayor Pete. That's why he is going after Biden through Obama. Bidens voter base is his target demo. But Pete has severely misclaculated because a lot of Bidens base are people he acquired via Obama. Good luck, Pete

r44 Carry the south? Is this 1960?

Pete supporters are almost cult like. It’s very bizarre. They act like everything that comes out of his mouth is some profound statement that needs to be studied like some ancient scripture. They’re extremely dismissive of black voters and act like he’s a messiah. I’ve noticed a lot of them are older (60+) white women. Very strange.

r47 Dismissive of black voters? You're like Chump with his fake news lies.

R42 Nice try at gaslighting. You followed up your R31 post in R32 by calling me a homophobic bitch. Letting you know I'm neither. Good day to you, sir.

R47 I noticed the cult like denial too. Pete continues to blander around race and it will surely come back to bite him in future elections. These dumb twinks are too stupid to see he's fucking himself over.

It seems fairly obvious to me that r32 is a different person replying to my comment, but you keep doing you. Use the ignore feature, since the issue is bothering you so much.

[quote][R42] Nice try at gaslighting. You followed up your [R31] post in [R32] by calling me a homophobic bitch. Letting you know I'm neither. Good day to you, sir.

Btw, I'm not a sir. Keep making unfounded assumptions about me. It's quite amusing.

Pete screwed up. It was a stupid comment and a self-inflicted wound.

It doesn’t matter if Obama made mistakes. That’s so beside the point it’s ridiculous. When you use “Obama” and “mistakes” in the same sentence, you messed up, and your slobbering followers are making it worse by making excuses for you — or saying that’s not what you said.

I LIKE Pete and think this is bad. Is anyone surprised Pete’s adversaries are going crazy over this? Yeah, it’s just Twitter, and Twitter is a mess — but he should still say something about this. And no, it’s not that we misinterpreted him or misheard him or took him out of context.

North Carolina and Georgia are now ripe for the picking, as long as Dems don't fuck it up by pissing off their black voters.

How's he doing with Latinos? Because Florida and Arizona are purple and the Latino support will be critical there. He's fucked with Georgia and North Carolina because he keeps farting on black voters

I think Pete getting his ass kicked will be one of the few bright spots in this election. Who cares who he fucks, I hate his sanctimonious white ass.

You and me both, R56

Now I think of it, we've seen yuppie campaigns melt down before

[quote] Yeah, it’s just Twitter, and Twitter is a mess — but he should still say something about this.

And polls are just samples of people tabulated in a way to determine possible trends. Twitter will give you an idea of how people will react when this hits the mainstream media.

(Which is, these days, fed by Twitter.)

Similar to BernieBros in 2016, Mayor Pete has won over the “mansplaining” wing of the Democrats. He appeals to those (almost entirely whites) who enjoy telling others everything they are doing wrong.

Pete is not running on identity politics.

Identity politics is all he is running on.

Mayor Pete is right to spread awareness of the fact that Obama was bad. There is no bigger issue in 2020 and it makes me so sad when I think that blacks don't get that.

This guy is a gay "undercover" conservative. NEXT

Mayor Pete was once a fave of mine. But he has become an "Okay, Boomer" guy, boasting about how he's thinking of 2054, not merely 2024.

As in, "Die, already."

R58, You think Dr. Howard Dean was running a Yuppie campaign??

Bad how? Obama took over in the middle of quantitatively the worst recession since The Great Depression. And yet managed to leave us in economic growth and job growth. Numbers that Trump disputed until he came into power but now admits we have been in a ten year boom. It was in his era that the shift on gay rights happened or do you imagine Trump would not have politicised those cases to the ground?

If only Obama had lavished praise and complimented Trump at that fateful Washington Correspondents Dinner.

The audacity of a man who can't even run a small town without being protested deigning to blame Obama for a cultural surge against non whites in this country!

He has lost his fucking mind.

GAME. OVER.

The Obama era was a failure relative to the high hopes we had. And he wasn’t a political fighter and so let the Republicans get away with a lot. But I don’t really get the appeal of Buttigieg other than being a moderate gay.

Literally: THANKS, OBAMA!

Obama “weak” with black voters? Lol. HE IS BLACK. There was never going to be a time when he was weak with black voters once he was the candidate.

You want to know who IS weak with his core constituents, namely gay men? Pete Butthisface. We don’t like him.

Well he's right. Obama destroyed his own party and ultimately the national culture because he was the one he was waiting for. Sold out to the bankers the moment he was sworn in. Kept the military industrial complex happy with killing. And created an abomination of a health care program launched with all the competency of the Challenger space shuttle. Then he never fought back when he needed to because he was more worried about his brand in the history books than actually getting shit done, through soft or hard confrontation. The only thing admirable about him is that he's half-African. The rest was useless and narcissistic. He gave us Trump. And he could have stopped it and didn't. Fuck him.

But Pete the gay messenger will be crucified for this. Even though he was actually somewhat restrained.

That statement is a nail in the coffin to his political aspirations. It comes off as arrogant and rude. He really needs to choose his words carefully,

[quote]Since he is the White Obama (intelligent drone with no experience for the job)

Being a senator is no longer considered valuable experience for being President? GTFO. Calling him 'Barry'...you couldn't be any more transparent.

And R55, the Mexicans in Arizona and the Cubans in Florida are two completely different groups. You can't lump them together in voting terms.

Anybody with a brain knew that Obama have a tougher presidency than any body else simply because he was black. The obstructionists began on day 1 with Mitch McConnell publicly saying he would not work with him. And yet Obama exceeded the expectations but because he's a black guy, his bar for success is raised higher. Like how Obama a law professor is sandwiched between George W and Trump - two morons who can barely string two sentences together.

Yes. Let's blame the black people for racists. Totally their fault, guys.

[quote]What Pete said was: “The failures of the Obama era help explain how we got Trump." That is different from saying "The Obama era was a failure".

But it's still absolutely untrue. The idea that Obama lead to Trump is completely wrong. Trump is the end result of 50 years of Republican cheating, scamming and populism. He's simply the low-IQ version of Ronald Reagan, but Reagan was just the movie actor version of Nixon.

Pete is catering to that certain stripe of liberal who thinks that Obama's at fault because "if we hadn't elected a black man then the racists wouldn't have gotten so riled up," but the problem in that equation is the racists. They had been getting riled up by the online far-right troll brigade since before Obama was the nominee anyway, so something else would have gotten them worked up.

The Obama era was the best era, and I don't know how any gay man can say otherwise. His administration was by far the most pro-gay.

He's so dumb. Trump didn't win by a landslide. He didn't even win by a popular vote. He won because Hillary didn't hold Wisconsin and Michigan which she lost very narrowly. She would have won those had the side show leftist candidates not come in. And had she actually CAMPAIGNED there

As a black woman. I will say it again bye Pete as we black people send your ass back to South bend where you truly belong and take your corn fed looking husband with you. Enough of your white basicness.

He won because the FBI interfered with the election, and because of voter suppression augmented by foreign agents hacking the voter registration for all 50 states and getting votes thrown out.

Lmao. Nobody gives a read like a black woman.

Yes that too R83. My point is its insane to even bring up Obama in that discussion.

We agree on that, R81/R85.

Bye bitch you are done. Now back to South bend.

[quote] Why do you assume black people think Obama was a success in all areas? i can tell you that black twitter is very critical of Obama on some fronts.

It's like the n-word. We can say it, white folks cannot.

Granted R81. She should've BUT who would've thought those morons would vote for a goddamn reality show host.

But I'll give ole' Pete this...he's right about Obama being responsible for our current state--INDIRECTLY. In that, MANY white folks were pissed that they had a Black president for 8 years. No matter how much he helped them. To them, Trump is the end to the political correctness they feel Obama forced into their dusty, old lives. That's why they don't care about what he does--or doesn't.

[quote] Black twitter is gonna scorch him tonight

Black Twitter, which is far left, hates Obama, too.

And the clean up has began. The writer now claims he confused the words "old normal" for the words "Obama Era"

Turns out Pete never said this!

My story about @PeteButtigieg ends with him referring to the “failures of the Obama era.” That’s an inaccurate quote — the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were “failures of the old normal”

[quote] As a black woman.

The Ignore feature is not your friend, SIR.

Nothing to see here. The quote was wrong. Journalist Evan Harper misquoted. Go Pete!

R90 I'm active on black twitter and specifically BLM conversations and thats incorrect. Obama is that uncle we like to josh at the cook out but don't get it twisted. We will fuck a white guy up for calling Obama out his name.

Incredible. So much spilled bile over a now retracted quote. But of course the damage has already been done.

We are our own worst enemies. 😩

Hmm, but Evan Halper is a buffoon, so it's possible he goofed or even tried to pull a fast one.

The reporter should go through every single social media feed and correct the misquote one by one. Otherwise he's no better than a Breitbart fascist shill.

[quote]I deeply regret the mistake When we make errors we own them. This one really hurts because it went viral.

Buffoon or not, he seems to be sincere in his apology. Doubt it'll help Pete, though.

This is a classic dog whistle. Put out a sentiment to let the white working class what you really think and then pretend it never happened. Nope. Not buying it. And neither will other black voters until we hear him EXPLICITLY acknowledge the Obama successes.

Fucking Castro.

"Obama" and "old normal" are one hell of a transcribing mistake to make from an audio recording. That reporter is going to be eating crow for a long time.

Oh and actually say the words "of course it's stupid to blame Obama for Trump. It's stupid and plays into racist sentiments".

And fuck the OP for immediately and gleefully making this into a race thing. Glad I've now blocked the fucker. He has little to contribute anyway, judging by his other trollish threads.

Wow fuck that Evan guy.

Wow. The Warren Harris and Bernie fans are on Twitter demanding that they release the audio because they think the reporter is now lying to make Pete look better. Seriously.

r105 Also former Beto fans. They're all fucking crazy. That's just how much they hate Pete.

He said the EXACT same thing about the failures of the old normal a hundred times or more now (it's the central theme of his whole message!), but he just randomly decided to switch it around and blame it all on Obama one day in South Bend. Makes perfect sense.

I'd be worried if I were Warren, Bernie, and Harris. With supporters like these...

You think it's just Warren and Bernie fans? Lol. It's everyone who isn't in Petes cult. In fact the person with the most to gain will be Biden.

Wow it was also at a fucking rally?? Not even on his media campaign bus after he’s had one too many IPA’s and cinnamon rolls. That journalist is a fucking idiot.

Pete being unfailingly gracious. Compare this to fucking Trump.

[quote]I appreciate this reporter’s swift and honest correction of a misquote on my views of the Obama presidency. From health care to DADT repeal to the rescue of the auto industry, my appreciation of the great leadership of Barack Obama comes from a very personal place.

Apologies already rolling in, at least form principled people. Don't hold your breath for much more of this...

[quote]Oh for heaven’s sake. This is a bad one. Deleting the other tweet and apologizing to @PeteButtigieg.

Why would a journalist lie. Bitch said it and then threatened the journalist. We black people are still not voting for his basic white ass. He can take his corn fed basic husband back to south bend with him. Bye bitch.

r111 = either certifiably unhinged OR a Russian trying to start a race war by insisting this is a conspiracy theory.

The journalist didn't lie, but rather misheard what was on the tapes. He went through the same tapes again together with Pete's team last night. There are so many other of Pete's stump speeches where he says the exact same thing, you'd have to be entirely unfamiliar with him to print something like that. As other reporters who are assigned to cover Pete's campaign are now pointing out on Twitter.

And trust me, not even Biden's campaign would dare threaten journalists. Let alone a newbie's campaign like Pete's. And thank god for that; at least one side still respects the media.

“Pete threatened him” Does that journalist run a Christian bakery in Indiana on the side that Pete could threaten he wouldn’t buy Chasten’s birthday cake at?

The new quote doesn’t make sense. What does “failures of the old normal” mean?

"Misquoted" is now trending on Twitter. We're all learning a hard lesson today.

Failures of the old normal?? Lol.

BULLSHIT. He said it.

They’d better release the audio immediately, and don’t try to doctor that shit.

Kamala supporters are accusing Pete of white privilege because reporters have never issued apologies to Kamala all those times* they've misquoted her. 🤣

*Receipts couldn't be found. 💅

Reporter retracts his comments as an error. Says he misheard in a noisy room.

This thread needs more Cyrillic.

R112. You are an idiot. I guess anyone that tries to question your Pete is a russian. Come up with something besides that tired ass overused line.

r116 He said the exact same phrase "failures of the old normal" hundreds of times at this point. Why would he suddenly change it to "failures of Obama" during one stump speech when he was being recorded?

The simplest explanation is the actual truth in this case - the reporter made a mistake during transcription and has now apologised for it after reviewing the tapes. Just how deeply must you hate Pete to twist reality that way? Because this is some Pizzagate-level shit.

Though I'm sure you're mad right now because you orgasmically declared "GAME OVER" earlier in this thread. Must suck to be in your place right now.

Link to this claim, r106? "He said the EXACT same thing about the failures of the old normal a hundred times or more now...."

Because apparently the reporter who must've heard Pete speak before was totally unaware of this phasing.

Pete said what the reporter first said. "[T]he Obama era" and "the old normal" don't even have the same number of syllables or the same sounds in the right places. O-b-m-r vs. O-r-m-l.

The media gave us Trump. Period. They created him, they hyped him, they failed to properly vet him, they actively, gleefully participated in the demonization of Hillary for decades, culminating in 600 strate days of saturation negative press (E-mails!) and have yet to acknowledge their role in this shit mess.

And if you want to look at failures? 2010. Never forget 2010. That was the year we handed Congress to the Republicans. The year if gerrymandering, and grabbing state legislatures and governors offices, and the stranglehold the Republicans have had on this country. 2010 was the year WE failed Obama. We didn't show up. We didn't turn out to vote.

I agree with those on here who said Pete's arrogance will not play well, and that he is basically a small town Republican in Democratic clothing. Democrats can't win without the Black vote. Pete will not get the Black vote. Not. Happening. And the "Harvard Professor" is already doing a lot better than Pete with the African American voter and the Latino voter.

In general, I just do not get why the Democrats are not embracing Obama vigorously. He is still wildly popular. It makes no sense.

Why’d his press secretary issue a clarification if he was misquoted so drastically? Something doesn’t add up.

Obama accomplished a great deal despite Republicans sabotaging him at every turn.

r123 Full quote from the reporter who misquoted him:

[quote]“I also fundamentally believe that there is no going back. My message is not about going back to where we were. I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences."

No need to speculate on the syllable count. Just read the actual quote.

This is Butthead’s Dean Scream moment. It’s over.

[quote]Because apparently the reporter who must've heard Pete speak before was totally unaware of this phasing.

No, he was not embedded on Pete's team like other national reporters. This was the first time he covered him. So yes, he was unfamiliar with Pete's stump speeches. As I am unfamiliar with Yang's because I'm not paying close attention to him.

Pete has said “failures of the old normal” a million times. Never took that to mean “failures of Barack Obama.” That’s a pretty gigantic leap.

He usually will put that in context and give several examples. Never heard him use Obama specifically as an example. Usually he relates it to the middle class getting weaker and people not being able to get ahead, so they voted for Trump in the hope their lives would improve. He’s talking about institutional issues, not Obama as a personality.

For the poster that just irrationally hates Pete and nothing he does would ever be good enough, then fine. Vote for somebody else. But trying to pin a reporter accidentally mishearing something at a noisy rally as a true revelation of Pete’s most deeply felt feelings is ridiculous. Have you ever watched one of those rallies? You can’t hear yourself think. The reporter should have checked it afterwards if it was that noisy.

R125 Obama is too “woke” for the large segments of society who hate anyone they deem an SJW.

[quote] My story about @PeteButtigieg ends with him referring to the “failures of the Obama era.” That’s an inaccurate quote — the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were “failures of the old normal”

[bold] [italic] So let's recap:

1. The reporter in question, from the LA Times, has admitted that he misheard and that Pete didn't even mention Obama.

2. In order to be inflammatory, OP misstated what the reporter initially claimed he heard--it wasn't "Obama's failures" but "failures of the Obama era"

3. DLers will continue to read the OP and then hate on Mayor Pete because successful gay man/tall poppy thing. [/bold] [/italic]

Pete's team just released the audio.

Well, Obama himself wasn't exactly a scholar or fan of Democratic heroes:

'President Obama very mistakenly said that he and his administration “didn’t do what Franklin Delano Roosevelt did, which was basically wait for six months until the thing had gotten so bad that it became an easier sell politically.” The truth is that FDR took office on Saturday, March 4, 1933, called Congress into special session to meet five days later on March 9th, and by June 15th, at the end of the “Hundred Days”, had seen almost all of the early New Deal financial legislation passed.'

And here's the full quote in visual form.

Lol, you tried it.

Thanks R136

Castro's "apology."

Here's the audio

From the replies at r135:

[quote]Thanks for this clip. I am not sure how the reporter completely misquoted this. I am a court reporter and also have transcribed a lot of recordings in my career and this is not even close.

That reporter was either drunk or tired.

The actual quote has nothing to do with Obama, so defending Obama is pointless. He wasn’t even being discussed.

A lot of disenfranchised people did vote for Trump. That’s a fact. So what are we supposed to do, not acknowledge them now because it offends the black community?

Some people voted for Trump because they are racists, others voted for him because they are low information voters and believed what he said, that he was going to help them, and they needed help. Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.

He’s still a douche who isn’t going to win the nomination

[quote]A lot of disenfranchised people did vote for Trump. That’s a fact. So what are we supposed to do, not acknowledge them now because it offends the black community?

Yes, this exactly. I'm sorry, but we need those people to win the EC. Black turnout alone ain't gonna cut it. Wish that weren't the case, but it is.

The quote in r137 is the very definition of "vague"! Mayor Pete says nothing but empty words here!

Great; he's looking to the future. Wow! I guess nobody else is! He doesn't want to go "back" to some undefined "old normal," because that would mean....what? The days of Clinton, or the days of Dubya? The days of Reagan, or last week?

What does this portend, in regards to a post-Trump need to pursue justice against criminal Republican politicians? That Pete would regard their treason and obstruction of justice and bribe-taking as "the old normal" to be forgotten in pursuit of some Shangri-la where Republicans are decent and honest and can be worked with?

True or false transcription: Pick your poison.

r146 He has said the rot started with Reagan countless times now, which is what attracted me to Pete in the first place - I can never get enough of Reagan bashing.

His press witch Lis Smith is a horrible person. She spent months insulting and smearing Cynthia Nixon in the NY governors race. She drafted a mailer trying to slander Cynthia Nixon saying she was anti Semitic. She’s a two dollar whore who was also banging Elliot Spitzer.

So Trump was ushered in because of the "failures of the old normal". So what exactly was that "old normal" if not the Obama era? Will one of you kindly whitesplain that to me?

It seems to me that if I was Halper and I transcribed that my reaction would be "Holy shit. Did he really just say that?" In which case I would have gone to some place quiet to check and double check that I heard correctly. He had to have known it was a charged statement.

The reporter in question has just released a statement apologizing for his error in misquoting Buttigieg

My story about Pete Buttigieg ends with him referring to the “failures of the Obama era.” That’s an inaccurate quote — the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were “failures of the old normal”

I deeply regret the mistake When we make errors we own them. This one really hurts because it went viral. Here’s the candidate’s full remark: “I also fundamentally believe that there is no going back. My message is not about going back to where we were.

I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences."

1. I'm glad Pete was smart enough not to make such a stupid statement.

2. Since I've grown tired of Pete, at the moment, I was happy to see this play out because it shows that Pete has his own version of Bernie Bro loyalist willing to defend him till the very end. He also's built up a solid amount of detractors.

3. The narrative about Pete and black people is somewhat sticking. A lot of people were able to believe this because the guy has a terrible record with black people and can only stand and read from a pre-type speech when addressing them. At least after critical shootings.

4. r146 this is like Make America Great Again. When a reporter asked Trump, "When was America great?", he waffled. When a reporter followed up with, "How will we know when it's great?", Trump basically said when he gets elected. It's a smart move because it allows the individual to fill in the blanks as you shift into the Mr. Fix It role.

typical journalistic buffoonery of today, anything in print to get buzz.

Some more clarification from the reporter just now:

[quote]Sorry for confusion. But I wrote that I was transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally, which is accurate. The tape was from the bus, and my recorder picked up a lot of background bus noise. I was transcribing at the event later that day.

What a day he's having. 😬

Total Bullshit story OP Thread should be withdrawn, unless you're working for Vlad

r148 so she will Pete's Kellyanne Conway?

From Pete's comms director:

[quote]One other note - for those who feel need to dunk on the reporter who erroneously reported this - just don’t. If this episode taught us anything, it’s that we need a little less dunking on twitter.

And for those who have missed it...

My story about @PeteButtigieg ends with him referring to the “failures of the Obama era.” That’s an inaccurate quote — the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were “failures of the old normal”

— Evan Halper (@evanhalper) November 11, 2019

R146, you’re speculating on ideas that are completely unsubstantiated by anything Pete actually says. If that’s your argument, it’s a poor one.

Pete is nothing if not on message. He repeats the same things over and over at public events. I heard him do it again in an interview a few days ago. He’s literally been using the same catchphrases for months. I guess this reporter isn’t familiar with him.

He’s said again and again, in essence, a lot of people feel like there’s nobody listening them or trying to help them. That is a fact. Trump won in part because of those people. I saw interview after interview with low education blue collar or redneck types, saying Trump was saying what they wanted to hear. And he did. They just didn’t know enough about Trump to understand he was lying and never gave a shit about them. You hear a lot of these comments come from the Midwest and the South.

These are the same people as the farmers that are going bankrupt because of Trump‘a trade wars, but still want to vote for Trump, because he promised the trade war would turn things around for them someday, and they believe him. They’re drowning so they have to believe in something. These people are not rocket scientists, but they vote.

Pete isn’t mocking them for being stupid, he’s trying to coax them to vote for a Democrat. A lot of these people do swing. They’re not well informed enough to vote for a party. They vote for campaign promises. Somebody just has to give them the right line that makes sense to them, and they’ll vote for him. Pete doesn’t write them off as a bunch of dummies nobody should care about. Good for him.

[quote] So Trump was ushered in because of the "failures of the old normal". So what exactly was that "old normal" if not the Obama era? Will one of you kindly whitesplain that to me?

Read the quote:

[quote] I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences.

Notice the "very long time" part. He is talking about the general neglect of the Midwest that has been going on for much longer than just the Obama administration.

This outlook is based on Pete’s experience in a town that was slowly and painfully dying since the last Studebaker plant closed in 1963. Read about South Bend some time. They’ve been losing population from 1963, until Pete got there. No jobs. People left the second they left school.

This is a point of view nobody from the booming economies of the coasts understands or is representing. It’s an important point of view to be heard by our party. There are people out there that have been left behind since Obama was BORN. If you’d read about South Bend, you’d know that. They want to be represented. That’s why Pete is doing so well in Iowa.

He still manages to say a whole lot of nothing. This guy is a total bag of air who’s conning people into giving him money.

Well whiles he's trying to get them to swing he is in grave danger of losing the black vote. He better cut it out with that Trumpian "old normal" talking point. The only reason Sanders and Warren can get away with it is because they both had solid track records of holding the line for Obama in the Senate so we know it's not a dog whistle at him.

So the LA times completely got the quote wrong? This is why west coast news papers are a joke. Leave journalism to the east coast please.

I knew from the moment I read this it was incorrect.

Sorry haters. Major fail!

I knew from the moment I read this it was incorrect.

Sorry haters. Major fail!

Could not be more presidential if he tried...

[quote]I asked Pete Buttigieg about Secretary Julián Castro's original tweet, criticizing a misquoted comment in the LA Times-- Buttigieg told me, "I appreciate the fact that it got cleared up right away, so that it's not a distraction on Veterans Day."

Jesus. Thanks to Trump we must now give cookies for not immediately lashing out when people call you out?

R163, so you think Pete should quit talking about people that have been left behind, because it offends black voters? Are you at all aware that a lot of the people that have been left behind in the Midwest are black? Ever heard of Detroit? Car companies shipping union plants to Mexico?

If you really think good-paying union blue collar jobs started disappearing with Obama, you need to read up. This kind of ignorance is how we lost rust belt states. You may not know or care, but people that live there sure do.

Pete for Governor!

Trump also appealed to a lot of the mid West's racism that exists there. They hated that a black man had been president, and they were determined to vote for the white racist to make up for it.

Why didn’t his comms team deny the quote last night? They tried to clean it up, not outright say it was a total misquote. Something isn’t adding up. And “old normal” is a dog whistle to middle age white people who are mad that brown and blacks people are starting to outnumber them. Pete still ain’t shit.

Lol. Look at the desperate Pete supporters in this thread who were saying he was right about Obama quickly change their tune one it was revealed he was misquoted. Anything Pete says they go along with. And you pretend Pete supporters aren't cult like.

R172, rather than assuming Pete is to the right of a Stephen Miller, why not actually read anything he’s ever said? This guy is not a dog whistle guy. You’re mischaracterizing him because you don’t like him.

How many Democrats do you think are dog whistle racists anyway?

Pete didn’t mention Obama. And it’s true people in the lower middle class have been losing ground for a long time. Both can be true.

Denying reality because you’re afraid it makes Obama look bad helps no one. Remember how Hillary was criticized for saying the Obama economy was great, when so many were left behind? It was called tone deaf and out of touch. Those left behind people voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all.

All of this boils down to the Democratic Party being too focused on the coasts and not enough on the middle of America. Look at the 2016 electoral college maps.

[quote]rather than assuming Pete is to the right of a Stephen Miller

r174 Thank god I have those nutters blocked. You must have the patience of a saint.

R169 Bullshit, Obama carried those States twice because he understood their issues. If Hillary lost them its because they fell for a populist who will say anything to close a deal. Obama started us in the path to full universal healthcare. He pumped a federal bailout into the auto industry. Increased miminum wages. And tried to warn that all this is a bandaid because between automation and globalisation, manufacturing is an unreliable back bone for local economy. I hope you now see that those manufacturing jobs to Mexico or China or India are NEVER coming back. All Trump's trade tarrifs have done is spread the infection to agriculture because vital markets are now closed to us.

So maybe you can just explain what Obama policies exactly caused problems in that region and what remedy Pete intends.

Because right now this just sounds like a dog whistle message to white voters who blame anything on brown and black bogeymen.

[quote] Pete doesn’t write them off as a bunch of dummies nobody should care about. Good for him.

Because he can't get away with it. Not because he actually cares about the rural working white. If he could get away with the shit Trump was saying, he would do it in a heartbeat.

R174 Just like when he invoked the line "all lives matter" in a discussion about police black relations, that was definitely not a dog whistle either.

Look. I dont think he's worse than anything the republicans could produce. And this tendency to write us off as either homophobic or rival supporters isn't helping your guy.

Buttigieg Hails Obama Legacy After Misquote

November 11, 2019 at 9:05 am EST By Taegan Goddard 49 Comments This whole thread is based on a reporter's stupidity and resulting misquote:

“Pete Buttigieg hailed Barack Obama’s legacy after a journalist acknowledged misquoting the Democratic White House contender as making statement critical of the former president’s time in office,” Politico reports.

Buttigieg said he appreciated “this reporter’s swift and honest correction of a misquote on my views of” Obama’s presidency.

He added: “From health care to DADT repeal to the rescue of the auto industry, my appreciation of the great leadership of Barack Obama comes from a very personal place.”

R177, what is “bullshit” in my post? That blue collar workers have been losing ground for decades? Because that’s true. That car companies and high paying union jobs have been becoming more and more scarce over decades? Because that’s true.

Where did I say I thought those jobs were coming back? I didn’t. Neither has Pete. He thinks we need to get those workers into more modern jobs. And he’s promoting other types of jobs in South Bend and created more jobs, as well as pushing black entrepreneurship.

Nonetheless, most people do not want to open a business, they want a job. And going on and on about how these people don’t exist and how Detroit is some booming 1960s economy because Obama was President and solved every problem in America, is bullshit and nobody that lives there believes it.

The worst part is that Biden fans are jumping all over this regardless because he's gaining traction in Iowa and they want to take him out of the race. It's pathetic

You even had Joy Behar last week flat out say that the other candidates should just drop out right now and let Biden take the nomination.

They just want a fucking coronation because they're still holding on to some stupid polls from months back that had him as the front runner. And because deep down they know he's not a strong enough candidate. But the polls!

All the entitlement they said Hillary supposedly had is applying to Biden and his supporters, and then some!

Polls from months back? There’s polls that came out last week showing Biden as the frontrunner. He may not have a commanding lead in lily white Iowa with those nutcase caucus activists, but he’s still competitive there and is more warmly regarded in states that are reflective of the diverse, blue collar coalition needed to defeat Donald Trump (not young white technocrats).

The recent polls are showing that many of them can beat Trump. But keep perpetuating the myth that Biden is the only one.

I'm getting my popcorn when it comes down to Biden and Sanders, because Sanders supporters are going to give just as good as they get. And they're not going down without a fight.

Yikes this is not a good strategy. HE does realize that Biden is doing so well with black votes because of Obama?

The entitlement of blacks saying every candidate but Mr I Was Obama’s VP should simply give up is ridiculous.

Yes, I know blacks are a significant portion of the Democratic Party. No, they are not the entire party. Other Democratic voters want their concerns to be heard as well. That’s the whole point of a primary process.

These endless attacks on white candidates by blacks are not helping the party. I guess blacks want Trump to win, since no white mortal could ever be good enough for them.

Some of these people, including the posters in the last few days who have referred to Buttigieg as “whitey” and a racist “who probably doesn’t care” about people, with no evidence of any kind that’s true, would probably be happier in a Blacks Only, No Whites Allowed party. Go right ahead. See how that works out for you.

Here's an article from 3 weeks ago where Pete uses the phrase "old normal" so stop acting like he's never said it before!

[quote]We can’t pretend that the Trump Presidency is this weird anomaly that we can just kind of recover from by returning to the old normal. We are where we are because normal didn’t work.

Here's one in June where he says "old normal." This Evan guy is a dunce!

[quote]Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, said he is a messenger for "the idea that a new generation ought to be putting forward leadership because we can't go back to normal. The old normal didn't work."

R182 Ok. Lets do this a different way. How about I tell you what Obama did, then you tell me where he got it wrong abd get specific on how Pete anticipates fixing it.

Obama added government funded R&D to help promote innovative new jobs. He was a Silicon Valley darling precisely because he championed tech as the future for jobs. A company like Tesla focused on marrying green energy and tech wouldnt be US based were it not for Obamas early assurances to Elon Musk that he would be protected from big oil lobbyists. Obamas tax breaks for small and medium enterprises created the enabling environment that left this country with more floushing businesses than he found. So I'm asking you again - can you define the bad policies of the "old normal" and tell us how Pete intends to remedy.

R185, who the hell said Biden was the only one who can defeat Trump? I said his supporters are reflective of the voters needed to defeat him. And that’s no myth. Don’t put words in my mouth.

And how is it going to come down to Biden and Bernie? Bernie can’t even get past Elizabeth Warren. She’s relegated him to third place, and he’s shown no signs that he can leapfrog her.

[quote] The worst part is that Biden fans are jumping all over this regardless because he's gaining traction in Iowa and they want to take him out of the race. It's pathetic

No, what's pathetic is watching Pete supporters defend him when they thought he criticized Obama and then when they found out he was misquoted, sing Obama's praises. Good boys and girls!! Here's a cookie.

"The MSM has tried and is still trying to portray Buttigieg as the new Obama"

Because the Republicans would looove to have Trump towering over L'il Pete onstage, braying stuff like: "Yeah- South Bend doesn't like you" [applause and hoots]; "What is your name- Pete? Peter? Okay; I'm not even going to attempt the last name- I might get bleeped"; and "Weeeak!". While Pete sputters and tries to intellectualize the conversation.

And by the way R182, that link didn't help your point. The article literally points outs that Pete was coming off his messy scandal in which the city lost millions because over lawsuits stemming from the racist text messages between cops and his staff that somehow got the first black police chief fired. It's him trying to paper over his screw ups by being photographed with a black woman hired to tell him what he should already know - that the city staff should reflect the demographics of the actual city it serves. Pandering move is too obvious.

Too bad trolls and regular folk are turning this about race. It's playing right into GOP and Trump. Their dog whistles are getting the workout from both sides.

Pete knows identity politics is the way to lose. But race is a vortex. Let's see if he can avoid getting sucked into it. Maybe ignoring it is the best way.

R190, everything you’re describing involves working with California industries and corporations. Democrats already have California, and there’s already a lot of jobs and innovation in California. Obama was taking advantage of what infrastructure was already there.

Now look at South Bend, and other midwestern company towns like it. There’s nothing. No money. No infrastructure. Anyone with a brain left long ago. Probably for California or New York. And we already have those states.

The whole point of Pete running for Mayor in SB wasn’t that he was incapable of getting a job anywhere else. He had a fine education, he could be working in NY right now for some huge corporation making a ton of money. He knew SB was dying and nearly dead. It had been dying since before he was born.

The point was, plenty of people are helping California already. What about South Bend? What about Detroit? What about those closed steel mills and car factories? So he took a closed, vacant old car factory in town and turned it into a business park. He worked on getting high tech companies to invest there, as well as promoting small businesses and start ups. The job market improved there, *for the first time since 1963.*

So where has everybody else been since 1963? This wasn’t impossible. Everybody else just left for the coast and let them rot. This resonates with people in the Midwest, who feel given up on and ignored.

Obama had Mitch McConnell hamstringing him on infrastructure bills, so it’s not all on him. Nevertheless, the Democratic Party has lost those blue collar workers and Trump has gained them. That’s a fact. DO SOMETHING to help them, and we can win. Nobody’s done jack shit for them for decades, then Democrats can’t understand why we lost them. Somebody is speaking to them in a language they understand. Don’t write those people’s needs off.

[quote] Pete knows identity politics is the way to lose.

And yet, he has no problem benefiting from it.

R194, you don’t even understand what happened. It was not about racist text messages, or “somehow getting the black police chief fired.”

He's looking strong. Double digits in some key states. Headed that way nationally.

Here’s what happened R194. The black police chief was already there when Buttigieg got in. He interviewed a couple of white guys in the department for the job, as people often do when a new administration comes in. He did not hire them and stayed with the black guy.

The black chief found out these white guys interviewed for his job and got very angry. He calls one a backstabber to his face. He decided to retaliate against them by bugging their phones to try to get dirt on them. In Indiana it’s illegal to bug people without telling them.

The FBI later came to Pete saying the police chief is illegally bugging phones. So he demoted him, after a huge outcry from the black community that he wasn’t allowed to fire this black guy no matter what he did.

Police chief later comes back claiming the white guys said racist things on the recordings. But no one has ever heard the recordings except him, because the white guys sued him and the evidence is locked up by the judge. Pete’s never heard it either. He would have been disobeying the court to release it. He just turned it over to the court unheard. Of course the black community demands he release it and says Pete obeying the law proves he is racist.

The “fired” chief worked there five more years and then retired.

Everything you’ve ever heard about this case is bullshit.

The quote attributed to Buttigieg was a massive misquote and now the author of the article is apologizing profusely.

Evan Halper @evanhalper My story about @PeteButtigieg ends with him referring to the “failures of the Obama era.” That’s an inaccurate quote — the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were “failures of the old normal”

Obama was a transitional president like Carter. Both blew it. This is why.

I wrote on Democratic Underground during the last year of the Obama presidency that we as Democrats were in for a possible nightmare scenario. This being that there was at the time a huge pool of angry people that if the right person came along could take control of them by just saying all the right things, acting as he would never back down, be unapologetic, and tell this group that he would take care of them being ignored for the last eight years.

This group was the people most impacted by the great recession. They saw no one go to jail. They saw no corporate changes to prevent banks from screwing people, a record number of people lost their houses, and for eight years the Justice Department did nothing. Absolutely nothing. What made it even worse, groups came in and bought houses by the hundreds at bargain-basement prices that now we are seeing the effects of. Millions of lives during the great recession were destroyed. Obama virtually did nothing.

I wrote that someone would come along, and take this anger and wrap it up with a bow and present it to the republican party. This has all come true. His name was Trump.

I was banned for writing my essay on Democratic Underground. Also being a mouthy gay did not help either.

These are the awful facts now. Unless we find a person that is willing to go on stage and without hesitation literally point to Trump and call him a traitor, liar and attack him in that manner, we will lose.

So yes, Obama, just as Carter did, laid out the welcome mat to the republicans, and they just walked on in.

I agree, R202, especially about not prosecuting the bankers and others that caused all this. That was the moment the corporatists took over America.

Sometimes there is a moment when, if you don’t stop people in their tracks, corrupt people will overpower justice and prevail. Maybe not in the short term, but in the long term. Nixon not being prosecuted was another. He should have rotted in jail for twenty years. There’s a straight line from Nixon to Trump.

The way to stop the rich, privileged crooks that come after them is to lock them up. Nothing else will do. Rich people don’t want to go to prison.

I never bought into the Obama hype even in 2008 and his bailing out the banksters like Bush pere did with the SL crisis only confirmed my deepest suspicions.

[quote] Unless we find a person that is willing to go on stage and without hesitation literally point to Trump and call him a traitor, liar and attack him in that manner, we will lose.

Every democratic candidate is constantly trashing Trump and calling him a liar, traitor and so on. We have no shortage of that. What we need is someone who will back up their own record. Pete Buttigieg is the emotional support dog of presidents. People like him because he makes them feel good. If you think he will succeed where Obama failed, well you have more faith in him than I do.

It's sad that we live in a society where the fact that Mayor Pete was misquoted will discourage no one from disparaging him for the quote. It used to be that facts were important.

OP...You stink of cheap vodka and cigarettes. I hope your shift is over soon.

R205, No, Trump is the emotional support dog of Presidents. That’s why he won.

I have no idea if Pete will win, but that’s what people want in a President right now, an emotional support dog, not just logic and policy. Hillary lost because she wasn’t an emotional support dog, she was a statistician. People didn’t want facts, they wanted feeling.

R205, I have no recolection of any of the Democratic possibilities saying straight to an camera during one of the debates that Trump is a "traitor, liar, draft dodging coward, stupid and evil person". All you may hear is liar and danger which is relatively recent. In the bigger picture, the Democrat that runs his or her campaign as if they are running directly against Trump right now will have a chance to succeed. Every attack has to be about Trump completely raw and to the point. Attack his family. Attack everything about him. This Democratic candidate will have a chance. The others will not.

We will see a Democratic massacre like no other in the coming election, as I have a feeling the impeachement will go nowhere, and we will have a Trump on steriods.

I have no faith in any of our Democratic candidiates now. None. Bittigeig is so much like Obama it is stunning. He should really just drop out now.

I wonder if Pete will get a Nobel for defeating Trump.

[quote] [R205], No, Trump is the emotional support dog of Presidents. That’s why he won.

Oh excuse me, Pete is the emotional support dog of candidates. And the idea of Trump making people feel good is hilarious. He is brash, rude and nasty. No one can deny that.

R211, But he makes Deplorables feel good. That’s why he won. There’s no denying that. Look at those Trump worshipping rallies some time. Those people are ecstatic to be there.

Do you really think people that voted for him care that he is brash, rude and nasty? He makes them feel important.

Pete did not say that, he was mis-quoted by newsman interviewing him who then apologized for mis- quoting him saying he couldn't hear him over the crowd noise.

A two term president is not a transitional president, dummies. Hillarys loss was only in the electoral college and barely so. Stop acting like Trump won by a landslide in the three states she dropped from Obamas era. God white resentment is exhausting.

Availability Bias - the psychological effect of believing something to be true because you hear it so often. Some of you started to believe Trump's attacks on Obama and now depict his era as some kind of Mad Marx apocalypse rather than the start of a boom.

This is why cant host a Halloween Party without somehow comparing it to Obama and declaring him a disaster. The human mind is a weak and vulnerable thing.

r159, None of what you wrote in "reply" to me pertains to my post at r146.

Misquote...NEXT

No Trump supporter is angry that big bankers didn't go to jail in 2008! They don't even think about 2008 or the bailout and on the rare occasion they do they don't care about it. Some division trolls bring it up all the time but there were no large groups of people still angry about the bailout in 2016 and who voted against Clinton because of it.

I hope that guy’s gay brother really lays into him at thanksgiving.

Happy Veterans Day, Pete!

"Some of you started to believe Trump's attacks on Obama and now depict his era as some kind of Mad Marx apocalypse...."

This would be precisely none of us here, r215.

He's talking about R202, R220.

I'm not that fond of Buttigieg but considering that OP's quote has now been proven to be false, I think Muriel should just delete this whole thread.

I do like that people who click on the thread and hop right to the end will see immediately that the quote was wrong. That's useful.

Moscow Mitch said the moment Obama was elected "Our job is to make him a one term president"? He denied Obama his right to choose Garner.

My personal fav: When Obama implored Congress not to pass a bill making it possible for US citizens to sue the Saudis for 9/11 because then that would make it open season on the US for lawsuits from most of the fucking planet and despite Obama vetoing that bill, it was overturned by that turtle-faced fuck who then regretted it and tried to blame Obama because according to that ugly turtle fuck, Obama didn't explain the consequences enough, when he fucking did repeatedly.

Regardless of what you think of Obama or the Dems, you are a colossal moron if you ever use the "both sides" bullshit knowing full-well the GOP is just a huge, steaming pile of shit. Matt Gaetz and Gym Jones and Kevin McCarthy and of course, Steve King, being some of the most repulsive figures to ever enter Congress.

And if you disgustingly try and claim "the squad" are like the people I've mentioned, then I easily guess why - and those interests have nothing to do with bettering the US.

Scratch that first "?"

R225 But that's exactly why people are saying the old ways don't work anymore. Because you have one party that's drunk on power and will do whatever they want, if it's legal or not, to maintain that power. They did everything they could and then some to obstruct Obama and they would have begun impeachment proceedings on Clinton the moment she walked into office.

No both sides are not the same. But democrats have to stop being the ones to extend that fucking olive branch. They have to stop framing it so that it's a "both sides" problem, because it isn't. This is a problem that the Republican party has created and which they must sit down and come to terms with. It's not our battle, so why people constantly look for reasons to make it ours is confounding.

R226, I absolutely agree with you.

[quote]But democrats have to stop being the ones to extend that fucking olive branch.

A million times this.

Why would you extend an olive branch to people who immediately take a match to it?

He should be focusing on strengthening his image as a presidential candidate. I get that appealing to black voters is important, but let’s be real. Being a gay man sets him back, being a white man sets him back, and being a mayor from podunk indiana sets him back. He’s never going to win over black voters solely because he’s a white, gay, educated man. Voters don’t like voting for candidates they don’t see themselves in, and black people tend to despise educated people, gay people, and white people. He’s been doomed with that demographic from the start.

[quote] He said the exact same phrase "failures of the old normal" hundreds of times at this point. Why would he suddenly change it to "failures of Obama" during one stump speech when he was being recorded?

The alleged change is what has made this more significant.

[quote] He said the exact same phrase "failures of the old normal" hundreds of times at this point. Why would he suddenly change it to "failures of Obama" during one stump speech when he was being recorded?

The alleged change is what has made this more significant.

Pete doesn’t pander to minorities. At the end of the day, that’s what costs him the POC vote. Bernie’s the proof of this. Black voters are pretty much only going to vote for a man like Pete (much less a gay man) if he kisses their asses. His reluctance to tongue-fuck the ground they walk upon was the nail in the coffin as far as getting black voters goes, considering most are already wary about voting for a gay man.

He’s not in favor of reparations, which is the only reason black voters are voting for people like Bernie.

Supposedly, the explanation is that they don't feel Pete can win in November.

R228. You tried it. We do like educated people since most black people have college degrees. Your statement reeks of racism. I am not surprised that most of his supporters are racist. We blacks do not like condescending white gay liberals like him.

Wow, and racists have come to add their input to this toxic thread. Allegedly black people are just stupid hivemind voters that don't like "educated" leaders and are only supporting candidates to get free stuff like "reparations".

Someone help me out, didn't every Dem President and candidate have a college degree? How the heck can black be against educated leaders when everyone they vote for typically has at least a college degree? Then you say we support the reparations candidate, yet Biden has the largest block of black support without going down that route beyond studies.

I get it, many of you negative jerks are white gay men that are appalled that Blacks don't fall in line behind Pete. You praise him for not pandering to black voters, yet state that white people in the midwest have had it hard and are always forgotten. Despite every single presidential candidate always tailoring their messages to middle America. If these white people are forgotten then they should be able to understand that black Americans also feel that way, but we must wait until the white states, Iowa and New Hampshire, have their say before black people get to add their input. If black people stay home, Democrats lose. It's that simple. Stop trying to make us into some annoymance by demanding a piece of our candidates attention.

I am a Pete supporter but there is obviously no question he needs to work his ass off to reach black voters and earn their attention and support. That said I do think his Douglass plan is a pretty impressive policy proposal.

R236. Here we go again with that douglass plan. Between this and his racist supporters. I am done with seeing his annoying face.

Today I learnt that Joe Biden is neither white nor educated. Thanks r228. The more you know...

So, R237, you are annoyed that he came up with a plan that is laid out with specifics on paper that people can read? You are annoyed by Frederick Douglass? You are annoyed by white people, whom you think are all racists? Do tell.

The Douglass plan is honestly basic. He's not breaking news ground with any of that. The only thing that caught my eye is the pledge to reduce black incarceration but even Trump is on that prison reform tip now. It's like the white people have a standard gift basket they bring to the table....little of which is ever actualised. Now to be fair that's not his fault. These are the only cards to play so he'll promise to play them. The problem is that many dont believe he actually will play them once in the White House.

Also I find naming it after Fedrick Douglas to be very offensive. Just such a blatantly pandering move that it insults our intelligence. Be less obvious.

[quote] Pete doesn’t pander to minorities. At the end of the day, that’s what costs him the POC vote.

I mean, you're basically saying that democrats don't actually have minorities' interests at heart. There's something really shady about this guy.

Well, there’s always the Republican Party, who are the true friends of the black community! Not like those racist Democrats who hate all blacks and insult them by referring to Fredrick Douglass!

Pete is going down. He may be doing well in Iowa polls but he won't survive the more diverse states.

What a moronic idea to perpetuate by him. Good riddance.

r235

Perfectly stated.

You know, it's funny. This guy is the face of privilege more than anyone else in the race. A white, straight, able-bodied, young man. No wonder white people love him.

Straight?

And which one of them isn’t able bodied?

R247 Ignore them. The people endlessly slamming him here for being white, privileged, etc are just Boris and his friends. They’ve successfully pitted Democrats against each other, and once you get the rabid wolves biting they don’t stop. You’re all idiots who’ve fallen right into Putin’s trap. Congrats.

Nothing about President Obama was a failure and anyone who thinks that Obama failed, is an ignorant fool.

Pete should just go back to Indiana, I would never vote for the little turd.

R248. We don't like buttplugging. I did not misspell his last name.

[quote]created an abomination of a health care program launched with all the competency of the Challenger space shuttle

Obama did not create it- Romney did. He used it in his state. Had the Repugs not thwarted Obama at every turn, he would have delivered a different plan than we ha e now.

R248 you think Pete acting like Obama failed is not doing Putin's work? That's a pretty divisive statement and quite inaccurate

Good thing it's not what he actually said, r252.

R252, He never said Obama failed or implied it.

Republicans have successfully brainwashed the gullible public (of all political parties) into thinking President Obama was a massive failure and disappointment. Even when they know they were the cause of many things not getting done. Evil people.

It wasn't until Trump was elected that many started waking the fuck up and realizing they wanted President Obama back. Too late bitches. You fucked up and dropped the ball, idiots.

Every time you whisper “gay and black people fighting in America” out loud, Putin has an orgasm

R252, try to keep up. The reporter has said he misquoted Pete, who actually said "the old normal," not "the Obama era".

Warren stated it better when she said something like “A country that elects Donald Trump is a country that is in distress”.

She didn’t mention Obama and didn’t call anything a “failure” like Pete did.

Just more evidence of his inexperience.

Pete didn't mention Obama until after the reporter admitted that he misquoted him, and then it was in glowing terms. If you'd bothered to read the thread or looked at any news outlet today, you'd know that.

R259 There’s no point in telling them that, they don’t care. The self-hating queens on this site will continue to hate Pete because he’s gay. The straight black voters will continue to hate him because he’s gay. He’s a gay male candidate. He’s already lost.

I should have known he wouldn't say a such thing. He is the most anodyne candidate. He would never be honest if it meant it would risk offending anyone.

I'm not actually trying to convince the troll, r260. I'm making sure that people who hop to the end of this thread without reading previous comments don't see bullshit posts and make assumptions.

from r202

[quote] I wrote on Democratic Underground during the last year of the Obama presidency that we as Democrats were in for a possible nightmare scenario. I wrote that someone would come along, and take this anger and wrap it up with a bow and present it to the republican party. This has all come true. His name was Trump....... I was banned for writing my essay on Democratic Underground. Also being a mouthy gay did not help either.

It's a little more complicated than that. A mouthy gay they would have tolerated. Anyone not singing Hosannas for Hillary and the DNC was another matter.

DU was founded by Skinner aka David Allen. His wife Shelley was Treasurer of the Friends of Hillary" PAC that laundered over $24 million for her campaign receiving a very hefty salary for her services. DU was a bought and paid for subsidiary, as anyone skeptical about Hillary or who vocally supported Bernie (or Dean a few years earlier) found out when they were purged and banned.

Nice little racket.

Stupid white Dems like R243 are the reason why people like Candace Owens are gaining traction. Taking the black vote for granted merely because the other side is more racist, is no longer tenable. Political parties support bases have swapped parties in the past and can do so again. It's all just a matter of making it clear to the Republicans that the black vote is in play again. And then wait to see who has the better basket of goodies. And as for the immediate elections, how about we just won't vote? Good luck holding the map without us.

Come to the negotiating table with some fucking respect.

Can Pete just fuck off already - I'm tired of his face.

R264, you might not like the sarcasm from R243, but you’re full of shit..

Candace Owens IS NOT gaining traction except with sellouts and people who type #WalkAway when there is no such thing. She lives for controversy and clicks. You won’t vote? Yeah, thanks. That gave us Trump, who DESPISES black people.

If you don’t see the ENORMOUS differences between republicans and Democrats, there’s something wrong with you.

It's best for all candidates to keep to their platform not to get into racial and identity politics more than they need to. Just as Bill who was pissed Hillary was too much into the women angle. Too much emphasis on race only benefits Trump and the GOP base.

Look!

A successful gay man!!

I have always blamed my failure in life on the fact that I was gay because gay men can't win!!!

CUT HIM DOWN!! CUT HIM DOWN!!!!

--So many of our DLEGs

Obama was the best we could get at the time. The problem I have is that Petey is not progressive. He is telling people what they want to hear.

R264 = Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles, who holds off a lynch mob by holding a gun to his own head and threatening to kill himself.

[quote]Come to the negotiating table with some fucking respect.

Have some fucking respect for YOURSELF, and your people's history of oppression. Why in the name of God would you ally yourself with an openly white supremacist political party for ANY reason, or do anything that would help them achieve their goals of oppressing minorities even more than they already have? The only 'basket of goodies' Republicans have for people of color is full of razor blades. So fucking tired of the both sides are the same shit. It's not even remotely true.

R266 Sure, keep that energy, see where it gets you. Black male republican numbers at college campuses are at an all time high. It would have been unspeakable for hiphop culture radio jocks to be saying the stuff CTG is saying about unshackling from the party and letting the Dems and Republicans fight over us so we can get the best deal for ourselves. There's a black youth culture brewing around conservatism and it's ALL driven by resentment over Democrats using as the party backbone without payoff.

Now I know in the past it was effective to just brand such talk is "coonery". But that's fool hardy. White Dems need to stop being so comfortable and start working for this vote

R271 You might want to remember that not that long ago, it was the Dem party that was the party of choice for racists. And it was Republican party that was the "atleast not as racist" party. We switched that play around and we can do it again. Either way, make better pledges and actually deliver on them or find yourselves a new patsy.

By the way, interesting how mad white liberals get when we start bargaining our interests. Not as different from the conservatives as you think you are. Huh.

Oh, fuck off troll at r272. I am a college professor and the GOP is basically dead at most of the campuses I've been at this decade. You're trying to push the bullshit walkaway narrative that's Russian pablum for gullible minds.

The GOP has nothing to offer any minority. Period.

Oh, fuck off troll at r272. I am a college professor and the GOP is basically dead at most of the campuses I've been at this decade. You're trying to push the bullshit walkaway narrative that's Russian pablum for gullible minds.

The GOP has nothing to offer any minority. Period.

R196, The Blue-Collar Guy left the Democratic Party---the Party that gave him union protection, unemployment compensation, overtime pay, OSHA, a 40-hour week, benefits, pensions, Social Security, and Medicare---first for Nixon over the Vietnam Conflict (my father was an example), and then became Reagan Democrats.

It was totally a rebellion by the Greatest Generation of the 40s against their unruly sons and daughters of the 60s. The former believed, and still believes, that they were patriots and the Baby Boomers of their blood were not. That the latter should have gone without question or protest to Vietnam.

The anti-war Democrats (McGovern, McCarthy, etc.) were perceived as soft pointy-headed intellectuals. The Party was viewed by defectors as unmanly. Don't even think about the 2nd Amendment.

Thus, those Trumpian Blue-Collar males probably will not return to the Democratic fold, Republican perfidy and Democratic programs notwithstanding. They will die before voting for HRC, Mayor Pete, Kamala, Elizabeth, Beto, and definitely Bernie.

Will they vote for Joe? Ah, that is the question and the hope. If Biden can play up his Scranton roots and sound and look virile, with JFK's famous "vigah," maybe.

In any case, IMO a Democratic national campaign theme should be Republican Betrayal of the Working Class. Democratic politicians need to do more than "look to the future"; they need to educate and open people's eyes to the actions of the true Enemies of the People.

Contrary to folklore, voters pay attention to "negative campaigning."

[quote] the GOP is basically dead at most of the campuses I've been at

Maybe you might look outside Evergreen, Oberlin, and Berkeley.

R273, Only in the South. And Nixon's "Southern Strategy" attracted the racists to the Republican Party, where they've been comfortable ever since.

Lincoln was a long time ago.

I don't give a shit about the PWI community college you janitor at. You are exactly the patronising type of liberal who thinks you can tell me about my own best interests much less the ramblings within my culture. Bring the bag of goodies or prepare for a decade of migration. We changed this show once and we can do it again. And don't assume that just because we wont vote for Trumps nauseatting ass that we will vote for whatever clown on the market. You want a turn out? Turn up with a basket of goodies

Anyone who doesn't vote against Trump will share the blame if he is re-elected. THE END.

I'm so tired of this divisive me me me horseshit.

[quote]You are exactly the patronising type of liberal

How interesting that you spell 'patronising' like a non-American.

Just a shitty speller, or...?

So our professor is at both Berkeley AND a piece of shit community college? Seems like you are throwing any shit against the wall you can and don't really know what you are talking about.

[quote] He should be focusing on strengthening his image as a presidential candidate.

He's a good man, that's for sure. And one day he'll make a great :POTUS. But I don't think our society has evolved anywhere close to the point where we could get a gay man married to another man elected as POTUS. if I'm proven wrong it will make me very happy, but I doubt I will be.

At this point I'm hoping whoever gets the nomination (most likely Biden) will choose Butttigieg as his VP. But considering how national politics works I imagine Bide will choose a safer candidate. Possibly Warren, if she'd even accept the job. She seems to have become quite arrogant and entitled and I have a feeling she might think being offered VP would be beneath her.

[quote]It's like the white people have a standard gift basket they bring to the table....little of which is ever actualised. ... The problem is that many dont believe he actually will play them once in the White House.

This sounds like one of our fake Americans with the "actualised" thing. A lot of foreign Dataloungers pretend to be Americans who have big problems with American Democrats.

Oh, I didn't scroll down far enough, didn't realize others had already caught that American using the British/Canadian spelling. The weird thing is he's been here for years and won't stop using non-American spellings and idioms, which makes me think he's doing it on purpose.

[quote] Black male republican numbers at college campuses are at an all time high.

There used to be 12 of them, now there's almost 14!

Seriously, though, there aren't even stats on the current college student demographic that get as granular as you're suggesting. You made that up.

Pew says 9% of blacks who voted cast their vote for Republicans in 2018, versus 8% in 2016. No real change and no indication there's a change specifically for black male college students.

[quote] Either way, make better pledges and actually deliver on them or find yourselves a new patsy.

The democratic party has many patsys. One of Pete's goals as president is to exploit women (of all races). Any woman who votes for him is signing her own death warrant.

[quote] Any woman who votes for him is signing her own death warrant.

Yeah, that doesn't crazy at all. Very much a logical, thought-out position you have there.

That’s got to be a Russian troll. It’s irrational and spells like a foreigner.

The fear of losing white majority and white privilege will be the death of the GOP.

Good.

[quote]Stupid white Dems like [R243] are the reason why people like Candace Owens are gaining traction.

I'm not R243, but if you're black (or white), you're a fucking moron who clearly has no self-respect if you think someone who is as stupid and hateful as Owen to the point she made a clown of herself at that committee and inspires murdering terrorists who shoot people while prayingr, is gaining traction with anyone with a modicum of decency.

She's only normalized by genuinely repulsive and stupid people, particularly white racist trash who wouldn't even allow her anywhere near them if she were just some random black woman, instead of a low-life doing the bidding of white supremacists.

R291. You type really Russian and delusional.

He's now leading in Iowa. Not a fan, but it's the truth.

The quote that shook the world.

I want to say something here, and history and facts will bear me out. When LBJ signed the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Acts he is alleged to have said,"Well, there goes the Democratic Party." He was acknowledging the racism that was lurking among the white working classes who were the traditional support of the party.

The Labor Union movement was the backbone of the Democratic Party back then. The other thing I recall from my readings and my research, is that ethnic voting blocs were a part of the party as well. Irish, Italian ,Polish, etc. This was particularly true in large urban areas such as Chicago, Boston, etc. Everything began to change after 1964 election.

In 1968, Nixon effectively exploited the myth of the "law & order" candidate, and gradually the voting blocs dissipated and white working class voters began the drift towards the Republicans. It was a trickle at first. By the time Ronald Reagan ran for POTUS, the rank and file union members ignored the leadership's endorsements of Democrats, and started supporting Reagan.

When he took office he began an active and largely successful Anti Union push, beginning with his own actions against the Air Traffic Controllers. All the white working class voters who supported Reagan against the wishes of their leaders, saw his policies successfully dismantle labor unions and workers' rights all over the United States.

So in effect, the white working class fucked themselves because they didn't want to support a party that gave them the Voting Rights Act in 1965. Now they sit there bitching about being ignored, but the one strength they had, their unions, they gave away. So fuck them.

A writer for The Guardian is unhappy with what he sees as Pete's double-talk.

𝑷𝒆𝒕𝒆 𝑩𝒖𝒕𝒕𝒊𝒈𝒊𝒆𝒈 𝑫𝒐𝒆𝒔 𝑵𝒐𝒕 𝑾𝒂𝒏𝒕 𝒀𝒐𝒖 𝒕𝒐 𝑹𝒆𝒂𝒅 𝑻𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝑰𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒗𝒊𝒆𝒘

R296, what’s the bottom line of the article?

Exactly r295, thank you!

Pete not winning because he’s gay is a legitimate fear, YMF, not people projecting. You underestimate bias in voters, especially voters of color. The people projecting on him because of their internalized homophobia are the ones scrambling to make up lies about him, like saying he’s a closet-republican.

The stunt mayor pete pulled through his campaign with that "black people are homophobic study group poll" is playing right into the hands of people like candace owens.

There's something very entitled about it. Almost like pete is entitled to black support without even getting out there and busting his ass for black support. Just because he's white and gay, doesn't mean anything. He's going to have to work for everyone's support, and if he still doesn't get mainstream black support oh well.

He's not entitled, and black Americans are not obligated to give pete anything. I'm sure candace is sitting back watching all of this play out.

Well said R235.

[quote]thinks you can tell me about my own best interests much less the ramblings within my culture

The ramblings within your Datalounge posts are bad enough.

Small town mayor is beating a bunch establishment Washington based politicians and some of y'all are very angry about it.

Zuckerberg is helping.

Hes going to piss off the shadow people in the government and there going to do something about it.

Just ask JFK.

Chile will be the new Argentina in several years.

r303 Do you think anyone gives a fuck about Zuckerberg outside the most partisan echo chambers on the internet ? Maybe thats why Biden and Buttigieg are in this thing because they're talking to average voters and not trying to win over twitter users.

r304, Pete isn't going to be president; at least not this time around.

And comparing him to JFK again, just please stop.

Pete is the new establishment candidate. The banks and pharma love him. He's sure to win.

I appreciate his support of more nuclear power.

r308, do you realize how foolish you sound.

He is a liberal centrist.

R309, is anything in R308 incorrect?

Money from banks

Money from pharma

Nuclear power

I'm relieved that he's not for Medicare for All. Don't mess with doctors' earnings.

Also, don't raise taxes for anyone making less than $1 million. And no financial transaction tax.

r311 Medicare for all who want it, no mandatory forcing of americans on to a government plan like Warren and Sanders want. It seems practical and something americans can get behind.

Very much agree with you, r312.

R312 We need everyone paying in for the system to be financially viable. Now it can be set up so that the wealthiest pay the bulk but the second you give them a choice, they'll of course opt not to. There's no reason why they cant pay the tax and then also have a private plan. Nobody is saying you must see THESE doctors when you have the money to see a different one.

This is one of the many reasons doesn't mobilise the base. He's business as usual with a lot of fake rhetoric.

absolutely. Fuck centrists. Doctors incomes are too high in a country where most people are rapidly converging with minimum wages.

What we need, of course, is to triple the number of medical schools. That would bring costs down but all those idiots who have a horror of "Socialized medicine" have an even bigger horror of supply and demand. They want monopolies and privileges everywhere.

The first debate with Orange Toad and Biden will be cringeworthy.

Not cringe worthy. Exciting. Will Joe survive to the end?

People like Warren and Bernie's views on stuff like Medicare because voters are dumber now then they once were. They hear blanket statements like “everybody gets free health care!” and sign on without even thinking about how it’ll be accomplished, how it will affect everybody, and the degree of service they’ll receive. It’s for the same reason people like celebrity candidates like Warren and Biden more than people like Pete. There’s no intelligence behind politics anymore, no strategy. The well-being of the nation is no longer the concern. The election is now just America’s highest stakes game show.

One of the big fears people have about Medicare for All is that at the same time Republicans are trying to legislate every single interaction between a woman and her doctor, you want people to trust government doctors to have their best interests at heart.

Meanwhile, the government funded, lying religious groups calling themselves “abortion consultants,” try to delay women from getting abortions until the deadline for getting an abortion is past, Republicans try to deny teens access to birth control, try to force women and girls to bear children that are the result of rape and incest, etc. and these are the exact same people you want every person in America to be at the mercy of, with no recourse to go somewhere else for help.

Then there’s also Republicans that would want to cut costs by denying brand name drugs to people that can’t use generics, and other cost cutting measures to save money while ignoring that some patients are special needs. I know of people that have become addicted to cheap opiates because Medicaid cut off their more expensive, less addictive drugs to save money. Some of these issues are life and death for some people.

A lot of the millennials who insist or demand one universal plan for all are not old or sick, don’t know anybody who is, and don’t understand how horrifying it is to have a doctor refuse to change your medication or even give you available medication or treatment, because they are prejudiced against it, or have some kind of personal bias. People need to ability to go outside of plan if they’re just hitting their heads against the wall, or looking for experimental treatments because they’re dying of cancer. If Republicans are going to control all health care to the nth degree, expect many treatments to disappear.

A lot of people are going to be pretty damn skeptical of MFA for these reasons. We’re not living in a fair country right now. We’re living in a Republican oligarchy. And they don’t care about you.

People in this country have been wanting some form of universal healthcare for decades now. Claiming that it’s just because people are “dumber now” or they’re “not thinking it through” is ridiculous.

Medicare for All makes a lot of sense and is more feasible than the failed “Hillarycare” that was being proposed back in 1993 by First Lady Hillz who ultimately failed.

It makes a lot of sense if there’s nothing wrong with you. If you’re seriously ill, it’s not enough. That’s why people buy supplemental care.

52 trillion dollars, it's just not going to happen folks when there's millions of deplorables who will be easily swayed against it by an republican opposition.

Buttigieg needs to ask Timothee Chalamet and Shawn Mendes how to seduce brothers

If any of theIr plans depress doctors' earnings, I'm against it. Squeeze the pharmaceutical companies. Institute a wealth tax for those worth $50 million or more. Don't mess with doctors and hospitals.

No tax increase for those making up to $1 million.

I'm with Pete for now. He understands the importance of gradual change.

You say that because doctors are supporting the Democratic party, but they would get more support from the rest of the country if they stopped propping up these medical pirates.

r325, drop that to $250K.

And rich doctors are part of the problem. Not THE problem but part of it.

I don't like attacking the upper middle class if we can just soak the very rich.

[quote]You say that because doctors are supporting the Democratic party,

Most doctors are Republicans.

Upper middle class IS rich. Rich is RICH.

They need to pay more taxes.

[quote] 52 trillion dollars, it's just not going to happen folks when there's millions of deplorables who will be easily swayed against it by an republican opposition.

The Republicans are probably going to try to make people think that 52 trillion is a large and patently impossible sum of money.

If the progressives are going to attack the upper middle class, I'm with the moderates.

[quote] What we need, of course, is to triple the number of medical schools.

If the doctors with an Associate degree in surgery from a community college or correspondence school operate on you and not me, I’m okay with that.

Keep flogging that nonsense. It worked out great in 1949.

LOLOL! It's typical that some of us will focus on doctors. But they're the least of the problem. The insurance carriers and Big Pharma are siphoning off billions back there in the shadows and most people are pissed off because the doctor is the "first responder." Dumb.

Medicare for All will work. It will drive costs down and save money and people who want more can buy supplemental insurance just like they do in the UK or Canada. This will not destroy private insurers. What it will do is uncouple our healthcare from our employment. You will have "portability." That's a good thing. As for being able to keep or to chose your doctor, you will still be able to do that. Because all/most doctors, including specialists will be part of the M4A plan. Kamala HArris' plan calls for it to be phased in over ten years. Now, you can tinker with that time period, but it is possible to phase it in gradually. For example, you can start by opening up eligibility for Medicare so that people over 50 can participate. This is a no brainer and the powerful lobbyists a r e deliberately trying to stir confusion and fear so we once again act against our own interests. Wise up. If some so-called non profit can get advertising on TV to scare you, they have big money backing them. Is that so hard to figure out?

Yeah my moth and brother are both physicians. They work like crazy. Don't fuck with their incomes. Squeeze the billionaires.

[quote] What it will do is uncouple our healthcare from our employment.

We should not disincentivize working or choosing proper careers.

Well I don't want oprah's income fucked with either. Go fuck with bill gates and warren buffets billions. Leave all mega wealthy african americans wealth alone dammit. Their just getting it.

[quote]Well I don't want oprah's income fucked with either. Go fuck with bill gates and warren buffets billions. Leave all mega wealthy african americans wealth alone dammit. Their just getting it.

I'm fine with giving African Americans, including Oprah, a tax break. They can consider that their "reparations", so we never have to hear about it again.

[quote] He’s never going to win over black voters solely because he’s a white, gay, educated man. Voters don’t like voting for candidates they don’t see themselves in, and black people tend to despise educated people, gay people, and white people. He’s been doomed with that demographic from the start.

Black voters only trust "educated" white candidates. Most often it is the uneducated or undereducated that generally voice, and have belief in, racist ideology -- i.e. Trumpanzees. It is white voters who are put off by "educated" candidates, particularly black ones like Obama. De Santis in FL is an Ivy League grad but he had to behave like a rough teamster with a GED to win in FL.

Where black voters are concerned, Pete's only asset is his education and intellect.

[quote] [R325], drop that to $250K. And rich doctors are part of the problem. Not THE problem but part of it.

No. $250k is an average middle-class wage.

[quote] [R325], drop that to $250K. And rich doctors are part of the problem. Not THE problem but part of it.

No. $250k is an average middle-class wage.

[quote] Black voters only trust "educated" white candidates.

Is that supposed to be a joke?

The national median income is $63,179, Senator Romney.

𝐏𝐞𝐭𝐞 𝐁𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐞𝐠 𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐞 𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞 𝐖𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐚𝐦𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐀𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐕𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐒𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐡 𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐚

Marianne qualified for the next debate. She can still take the nomination

Pete buttigieg campaign did its self to favors with that stock photo stunt they pulled. He basically said all black people look alike, and that he can't tell the difference between Africans and African Americans.

Kenya is in eastern Africa, most African Americans heritage is traced back to western Africa where the Atlantic slave trade collected Africans and bought back to the Americas where we are today.

Racism on top of racism, with the buttigieg campaign. No wonder he's polling so low.

Fuck off, r346. You're oh so very transparent. F&F.

R347 Is a sensitive bitch.

And how high is Harris polling, how high Booker? And yet both BLKACK candidates have no Black support.

[quote] Pete buttigieg campaign did its self to favors with that stock photo stunt they pulled.

[quote] Marianne qualified for the next debate.

She did?

[quote]Pete buttigieg campaign did its self to favors with that stock photo stunt they pulled. He basically said all black people look alike, and that he can't tell the difference between Africans and African Americans.

Literally nobody cares about this. Blacks are just looking for any excuse to not vote for him, as a cover for their homophobia.

R352 Black people have as much right to support and vote for who ever they want. Just as white people, Hispanics and anyone else in America does.

Comments like yours play right into the hands of people like Candace Owens. You pete sycophants better wake up. Don't let pete mess up 2020 for Democrats because his supporters feel as though black people are obligated to support and vote for him. Because its simple not the case.

R352. The nerve of you Pete supporters that think blacks have to do what you guys want. Have a seat somewhere all of you. Such ridiculous sense of entitlement and typical of white people. Negroes don't owe you shit.

R352. The nerve of you Pete supporters that think blacks have to do what you guys want. Have a seat somewhere all of you. Such ridiculous sense of entitlement and typical of white people. Negroes don't owe you shit.

[quote]And how high is Harris polling, how high Booker? And yet both BLKACK candidates have no Black support

Exactly. You have to actually appeal to black voters to get the black vote. Doesn't matter if you are black, gay, a woman, etc. Black people like Tyler Perry and they know he's gay.

These candidates are focused on beating Trump, as that is the priority for Americans at large at this time. If they can court black voters that is a huge plus, but defeating Trump/Republican initiatives and winning over the media is such a formidable obstacle right now. If any of them do attempt to win over black voters, it probably wont get any media coverage because there is so much other shit hitting the fan right now.

"Negroes"??

What is your point r357. So I misspelled negros.