My friends just paid $10000 for a couch?!

Even IKEA isn't cheap these days.

You didn't tell us anything about it that might justify the price. How many does it seat? Cloth or leather?

R2, apparently it’s a 5-piece sectional and a leather ottoman/table.

The pictures looks nice but it seems like a standard couch with huge pillows

I walked into a Bobois Roche furniture store.

The minimum for a couch was $20K. Admittedly the designs were nice but it’s reserved for the wealthy

Like a lot of things in life, its about how much you want to pay for it. You can spend a small fortune on furniture, or you can get one for 500 bucks from IKEA. Depends on your budget and taste.

They're fools. The markup on furniture is insanely high (many times in the thousands of percent) and always has been. That $10,000.00 sofa probably cost less than $1000.00 to produce.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your friends’ poor financial decisions are not excuses for you to make a poor financial decision. Of course, everything is relative; if you are wealthy and you choose to overspend on things and can afford to do so, then go for it.

But let’s look at this. If you set aside $10,000 for that sofa, and you buy a $1,200 sofa and invest $8,800 in a 401(k) or an IRA that returns 7% over 25 years, then your decision will ultimately be worth $47,000–and whether you spend $10k or $1.2k, you’re going to end up with a ratty 25-year-old sofa, either with or without that $47k.

In 2006, I bought a Mitchell Gold sofa and two club chairs. The cost was $6,000.00; they’re from the “Chesterfield” line. They’re classic, beautiful, and are in excellent condition. Quality lasts.

A 5 piece sectional is expensive to produce, and that's a big piece of furniture put together, and a leather ottoman on top of all that. That is what a decent sectional will cost these days if you're looking at something brand new and of decentish quality. In fact, it seems a tad low. I wouldn't spend that much, but that is what it costs. Mitchell Gold is produced in this country and is considered sort of middle of the road quality in the industry. Pottery Barn used to private label the brand when they still had decent upholstery but have switched to cheaper alternatives to boost profits.

R8, and now you've just got some old used furniture.

This tastefully bland Mitchell + Gold sofa is named after a TV serial killer and will only set you back $3,000.

Damn, R11 -- that looks right out of Mad Men.

I like the look of a sectional, but I can't abide its use, as no-one, ever, sits on the corner section. Moreover, I don't even like 3-seater sofas anymore, for who wants to swivel their heads like an owl while sitting in the middle?

Nope. If and when I buy new, next time only loveseats and chairs.

I have a pair of these in my living room currently that I bought about a year ago. They're comfortable because of the down inserts, but I do have to fluff them constantly. They're made in China, but they look good because they're plain and they're surrounded by things of better quality if you go with a mix of high and low, it elevates the low. I get a lot of compliments on them and I think people would be surprised if they knew where they came from.

Hmm, I can't seem to post the link, as it's too long but it's the Brynn Sofa if you put it into the search bar, Plain slipcovered track arm sofa.

As for the "Dexter" in r11: The arms won't support a pillow. Because let's be honest: one WILL sleep, or at least recline while reading, on it.

2002 called, she wants her $10K sofa back.

How is this company still in business?

Your friend sounds pretentious

So basically it's a daybed with feather pillows as seats, r14.

I suppose you could look at it like that, R18.

Yes, good quality furniture will last a long time, but there's no need to pay outlandishly exorbitant prices for good quality. In my den I still have the sectional sofa I payed $2400.00 for in1989. Adjusted for inflation that would be just over $5000.00 today. It's split into 2 units on either side of the coffee table. It's currently on its 3rd recover and I'll probably have it covered again within the next 5 years. But I doubt I'll ever replace it.

I'll guarantee you that sofa, even today 30 years later, is better quality than the one the OP's friends shelled out 10k on.

Most people today want to change their “look” every few years so they don’t care that their $999 sofa & love chair falls apart quickly. Humans are greedy.

Is a love chair kinda like a sex sling?

No r22, it’s a silly name Americans call a 2 seater couch.

I once paid $75 for a cooch.

Worth every penny.

[quote]Is that the normal price nowadays??

Your faux naiveté isn't endearing, OP.

[R20] Please throw that thing out. There must be a metropolis of dust mites inside. Fun fact: when removed, carpet weighs 3x more than when it’s installed.

$10K for a couch is idiotic.

I paid $250 for a custom made down filled couch that was never sat on . It was in pristine condition for a 20 year old couch,and still looked great when I passed it on after a decade. In fact,I wish Id have kept it ! Only a fool pays that kind of money for furniture when you can fill your house with exquisite stuff from estate sales dirt cheap. I cant believe there are still people who think someone is impressed if you spend that kind of money on things.

[[R20]] Please throw that thing out. There must be a metropolis of dust mites inside. Fun fact: when removed, carpet weighs 3x more than when it’s installed.

That sofa has been stripped down to the frame every time it has been recovered. All the padding and batting is replaced. Trust me there are no dust mites anywhere near that sofa.

^^^ this is a lie

r22, Who said "love chair"? It's called a "loveseat."

r23, Oh, really? "The loveseat was originally invented during the late 17th century and was intended as a place for women to sit whilst they wore the huge dresses with hoops, layers, underskirts and petticoats which were en vogue at the time."

$10,000 is way too much for a couch.

I've only bought one thing from Mitchell Gold - this black sheep.

Can you really put a price on a member of the family?

[quote] ^^^ this is a lie

And you're clearly full of shit. Clean your own sofa dirty tail.

Piss off r31

This my definition of a love seat

[R29] When was the last time you did that? You know that dust mites are pervasive, and humans have them under their fingernails. There’s no way you can keep that sofa truly clean, that’s why upholstered furniture is kind of gross. I try not to think about it.

This is my definition of a love seat

[R29] When was the last time you did that? You know that dust mites are pervasive, and humans have them under their fingernails. There’s no way you can keep that sofa truly clean, that’s why upholstered furniture is kind of gross. I try not to think about it.

[quote] [[R29]] When was the last time you did that?

It was last recovered in 2016, and some of the springs in the most used section were replaced.

[R39] It sounds like you put a lot of money into this piece of furniture. What’s the total amount that you’ve spend in repairs since you purchased it? I want to run the numbers.

Only way any couch is worth $10k is if it comes with $8k in spare change stuffed in the cushions. You can get a great couch for about $1,300.

I bought matching Mitchell Gold sofas from the thrift store three years ago and paid $75 for the pair. The bones were good enough that I could see investing in recovering them down the road. The frame is very sturdy, and they do something special to the springs to make them very resilient— no sagging.

Unclench those pearls some, R31. I repeated love chair from R20, the poster above me because it was a funny malapropism to me and I was making a joke.

[R43] Clutch, not clench. You might say that I’m clenching since I’m correcting you. Or, if they’re those beads that some stick up their ass, and you call them your pearls.

[quote]They bought from Mitchell Gold & Bob Williams (what a totally weird name for a store).

You call yourself gay?

[R45] It’s because that place isn’t cool anymore. They’re going to Blu Dot now, Restoration Hardware if they don’t have taste.

What brand do you recommend, r9?

All depends on what you're looking for R47. I posted a link to my World Market cheapos at R14 that are $539 on sale. They look great and the slipcover is a performance fabric that cleans easily. I work with people in all different budgets and will tell you one hard and fast rule. Don't bother spending your money at Restoration Hardware for furniture. Other stuff there yes, but the quality of the Chinese upholstery is no better than my World Market ones. Ethan Allen is still decent for their upholstery, though just as pricey as Mitchell Gold. I like Lee Industires, but that can be harder to find. Some people insist on wanting American made which is going to cost more. I think the best thing to do for any space is to figure out what you want the room to look and feel like. So many ways to knock off a high-end look at a lower price these days if you're willing to spend time searching. Or pay me, ha. If you have a smaller budget, put your money into the unique things that no one else will have. Almost every sofa is disposable.

That’s a bit much. Being DLEG, I’ve had a lot of living room furniture over the decades. The stuff I bought in the ‘80s was great for my tiny 500 sq ft apartment. And it was totally 80s.

Tastes change. My partner is an old German woman inside, and when left to his own devices he’s bought camelback sofas with custom fabric and matching wingback chairs. (They were horrible and I hated them). That was around $5k in the early 90s at a local furniture studio, not mass market.

When we built our first house, I persuaded him into a contemporary leather set, on the premise it would be more resistant to cats. That sofa was $5k and lasted about 20 years. The matching chair looked like hell because of the cats.

I just replaced the entire set for $3k from Macy’s. I know, you’re eye rolling. Here’s my point: there’s no such thing as furniture that will work in every house you live in, change with your tastes and enable you to redecorate when you want.

I suggest, gently, buying mid market based on your current decorating scheme. In 5 or 10 years, you’ll want to redecorate and may not want to be trapped.

[quote] It’s because that place isn’t cool anymore. They’re going to Blu Dot now, Restoration Hardware if they don’t have taste.

BluDot may be cool, but it's cheaply made IKEA level furniture with deluxe price tags.

And Restoration Hardware - aside from just being aesthetically horrific - is a store that seems to scale all its pieces to sell to people with 6000+ sqf homes.

Dania Furniture

Cepella Loveseat

What aesthetic does this piece of furniture fit in?

Thanks, R9. Your furniture looks comfortable.

Darth Vader’s lair.

R35 good one, I liked that

That looks like the back seat of a 50s Buick, R51.

[R50] I’ve bought some Blu Dot pieces for clients, they have a few decent pieces. Some are under scaled and cheaply made though. No one wants Mitchell Gold Bob Williams, it’s for old people that still think Will and Grace have tastefully decorated apartments.

Fuck pillowback sofas. Shit gets lost and you can’t sneak in a decent plop for fear of hitting the back.

You’re supposed to choose based upon the life cycle. It’s living-room worthy, now it’s in the den, now it’s at his brothers lake house, and now his nephew’s put it in a pickup for homecoming meth parties.

I've always thought that it's smart to spend a bit more in a very well made sofa. $10K is over the top, but nothing worse than a cheap sofa.

Does it move and have cup holders and led lights? Otherwise, no way!

We bought a very nice 60" couch from Room & Board in 2014, and it's holding up very nicely. It was $1500, and I thought that was a splurge.

Also $1500 was the Castro convertible I bought in 1991, which I still have (and use regularly) in our guest room.

$10,000 is a fair price.

5 piece sectional in leather with an ottoman table? Made in the USA? How much would you expect it to cost?

A lot will depend on the type of construction. Are they big pieces of leather or smaller pieces sticthed together? Are there coil springs or just foam? Good quality furniture made in the US cost money.

Your friends are nuts, OP.

OP: How do you know the price?

If you asked, you are tacky.

If they volunteered, they are.

I bought a Mid-Century knock-off from Mathis Brothers in Ontario. Delivered 350 bucks. Quality is great, the fabric perfect. Saw it in a client's house a month later, their house 4 million.

Stop overpaying for shit.

Leather furniture is always tacky. Go mid century and preferably Danish modern.

R65 I find MCM incredibly tacky but each to their own. When it comes to covering, nothing beats good quality leather. Nothing. How can you call a leather chesterfield sofa tacky?

R51, Movie set of futuristic Russian brothel.

[R66] Those sofas are for people who think they’re country club types. There are better designs out there.

[quote]I walked into a Bobois Roche furniture store.

Should I say "oh dear?" or is that only for grammar faux pas.

Here is a really great place ot get custom furniture for much less.

you can even return it. they always have sales for 30% off.

[quote]I walked into a Bobois Roche furniture store.

Try Roebucks and Sears.

would prefer this

[quote]How can you call a leather chesterfield sofa tacky?

Easy. "Tacky, tacky, tacky." It's that tacky button business, to start, grandma.

There's not to your personal taste and tacky. Chesterfield sofas have been around in different iterations for hundreds of years. They're classic.

Je ne give a shit pas, grandma r73, about your button sofa. And YOU are the one who introduced the word "tacky," not I.

[quote] It sounds like you put a lot of money into this piece of furniture. What’s the total amount that you’ve spend in repairs since you purchased it? I want to run the numbers.

I've put a little over $6500.00 into that sofa over the last 30 years, and that's with a good discount from the people who have done all my reupholstering over the years because I'm a very good customer. That's considerably less than if I had replaced it 3 times with something comparable. It's a high end piece of furniture and I have specifically not replaced it the times I've had it reupholstered because I was not willing to pay the ludicrous prices for something very likely of lesser quality. I have little doubt it would have cost me at least 20 grand or more to replace that sofa each time I've had it redone with a piece I would have been satisfied with.

I paid $50.00 for mine!

I am simply repeating you, R72/74. I am not R66, you dumb motherfucker.

Whoever the fuck you are, r77, you cannot make me give a shit about your ugly sofa with its stupid buttons. Assume that, Prisstina.

First of all, it is not MY sofa. I was trying to point out the difference between what is YOUR personal taste and what is or is not tacky. Since you don't seem to grasp basic concepts like those go have a seat on your beanbag chair and let the adults discuss things.

I've heard bean bag chairs are good for fucking.

Shut up, mom!

[quote]I find MCM incredibly tacky

[quote]Leather furniture is always tacky.

Some of you are just so dumb.

The great Mid Century designers created some of the most timeless tasteful furniture designs.

The Barcelona chair designed by Ludwig Mies van der Rohe....upholstered in leather is one of the great designs of the 20th Century.

Is it my taste? No. But I'm able to step back and appreciate it's beauty.

And on the other hand: the classic Chesterfield in leather is another timeless piece.

R82 You're going to regret that in a few years, because fashion changes. What's the LOOK today won't be the look in five or ten years.

Anybody who tells you their look is "timeless" is probably a midwestern hausfrau whose house looks like a JC Penney's ad from 1994.

I don't think you understand what R82 was just saying R83. The Barcelona chair was designed in 1929 and has been in production ever since. The Chesterfield sofa has been in production in some form for hundreds of years at this point. BOTH are classics and will stand the test of time whether it is to your liking or not.

R84 I do understand. I've owned many homes since 1980. The idiot notion they'll stand the "test of time" is what a sales person tells you when getting you to buy something that's overpriced. That same chesterfield will be reinterpreted dozens of times and in a couple of years, what you have will like dowdy and frumpy. When the current revival of mid century passes, which it appears it already is, then you're stuck with a bunch of overpriced furniture you can't sell.

What you're arguing is the same as claiming that clothes fashions are timeless and will stand the test of time. Like anyone is wearing a de la Renta pillbox hot, unless it's a drag queen - or disco suits, let alone anything from the early 1980s.

These business prey on the consumers desire to be current and the belief that spending a lot of money will give them good taste. It won't. When the next big fashion wave hits, that mid century grey davenport will look as dated as everything in Bette Midler's "Outrageous Fortune"

R 85 You understand nothing about design.

R84 explained it perfectly... but it went right over your head.

I don’t think you can much “quality” furniture at affordable prices no matter where you shop.

Everything is made in China and is made to be replaced every few years.

The stuff made in the US is expensive (like Mitchell Gold). I’m not even sure stuff made in the IS even guarantees the quality is great like it used to.

I want “Timeless” to mean it lasts for 20 years.

A traditionally sofa will stay in style (it’s a sofa, for goodness sakes, not a dress that goes in and out of style)

R86 Sounds like a woman trying to gaysplain to a gay man, again.

R89= frau

There are always things that will be on-trend in the design world. Maybe this season's color. or a pattern. Think of all the current gray tones seen throughout flooring, paint, wood finishes in case goods. For pattern, chevron and trellis designs come to mind. Those all feel dated to me because design has moved on but mass-market stores are still selling them like hotcakes. There ARE certain things that aren't trendy, like the black leather Barcelona chair and a brown Chesterfield showing it's age. A black and white checkerboard floor. A Parsons table. There are many others that will never be dated because they've been around and endure.

R90 Would you like to see my penis? It's enormous and very popular. Definitely not a frau, but also not fooled by "designers", children, and poseur fraus who think their pinterest board is meaningful.

I think a sofa is worth spending money on. OP's friends bought a "5-piece sectional and a leather ottoman/table." I can't afford it, but $10K doesn't sound crazy for 5 pieces plus an ottoman, all made of leather.

Does it reach around and give you a BJ? Otherwise $10k is crazy.

I cringe thinking of what could be living and/or growing inside some furniture. I have friends and family that tend to buy on the higher end of cost/quality. But, seeing all of their children and animals crawling, eating, spilling, and (I am sure) leaking bodily fluids on the furniture confirmed my thoughts. I do not believe all could be cleaned or replaced to make the furniture useable without buying new. Buying used furniture, especially mattresses is beyond my comprehension.

R95 that’s why leather is so good. It doesn’t let critters inside. And yes, anyone who buys a used mattress is crazy. In fact, anyone who doesn’t use a mattress protector is crazy too.

[quote] We bought a very nice 60" couch from Room & Board in 2014, and it's holding up very nicely. It was $1500, and I thought that was a splurge.

We have a Room & Board sectional that we bought in 2009 for 2K. I gasped at the pricing then, but we still have it and it looks great. Had it professionally cleaned maybe twice in all that time.

Sometimes it IS worth paying for quality, but you have to separate well built quality from "fad of the moment."

[R75] $6,500??? Where are you getting this cheap labor and supplies? Mexican labor? I just had to spend $1,000 to repair a Barcelona chair. Not for me though, thankfully.

[quote]will look as dated as everything in Bette Midler's "Outrageous Fortune"

Do you mean "Ruthless People?"

Having a leather sofa is akin to decorating in hunter green with duck motifs. Dated and tacky.

OP, you can use it to sit out on the front porch.

$10,000???? That couch better have a built in dildo machine so you at least get fucked more than just when you buy it.

R99 You’re right! Classic bad interiors. That’s nothing: look at Architecture Digest from the 80s. Lots of “timeless design” slung. Now it looks like a mad whore’s

Dear God I love this fucking thread.

They paid $10,000 for a cooch?

That's one expensive heaux!

Oh my God, I am SO impressed with people who spend tons of money on furniture!!!

[quote]I cringe thinking of what could be living and/or growing inside some furniture.

Yes, as you've already made clear you are an exhausting germaphobe. Speaking of clear, do you have clear plastic slipcovers on your furniture like Joan Crawford?

Joybird.com has amazingly reasonable prices z

Has anyone bought from there and can attest to how good the product is?

Joybird's factory is in Mexico, so that's one way they've kept costs down. Quality seems average. The design is rather bland vaguely MCM inspired. You can source things that look similar to it more cheaply, or pay a bit more for an American product.

[R109] Joybird sounds too Asian, like Jollibee. DL will hate it.

[R91] Black and white checkerboard floors and Parsons tables are two things that need to never be in style, yuck. There’s nothing worse than going to an architect’s house and seeing tired black leather modern classic furniture and white walls because he can’t think of anything better. I’d rather see Laura Ashley prints covering everything, because it’s that bad.

OP, I paid $14,000 for the sofa below -- way back in 2007 (and partially because I ordered it with an unusually pricey fabric). I have no idea what they go for today, but I assume it's quite a bit more. Twelve years later, it's showing almost zero wear -- I have it professionally cleaned at least once a year -- and its frame remains 100% perfect. Obviously it's a lot of money, but my interior designer argued that in this case it was worth it because B&B Italia uses steel frames for its seating that can rather literally last 50 years or more. I was skeptical at the time, but now admit she was right.

That said, I would absolutely NOT pay anything close to that amount for anything OTHER than a steel-frame couch, nor would I pay even 20% of that amount for one made of cheap plywood that's glued, not nailed, together, as is the case for nearly every mainstream furniture brand (including Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams - and in case no one's answered it yet, the moniker comes from the *actual* gay couple that launched it 20-odd years ago). In some cases you really do get what you pay for, and in reality a $4,000 Blu Dot sofa is largely a lipstick-on-a-pig variation of the same $400 crap you can find on Wayfair.

The one exception I'd make to this rule is for vintage sofas like the one R71 posted: I once had a pair of matching '60s-vintage Milo Baughman love seats with truly stunning rosewood along their backs & sides. While their frames were also wood, they were made back in the days when American manufacturing actually *meant* something, and wood-frame sofas were actually nailed together and not based on the cheapest types of plywood that invariably warp & rot over time.

One clarification: I have friends who bought a Floyd sofa like the one below, which by all appearances is an exception to the rule of not being able to get decent quality for a reasonable price. It's not B&B Italia-level sturdy, but it has a hybrid steel-and-wood frame and cushions that are legitimately designed to ensure fairly heavy wear. They're also stain-proofed to the point of even a worst-case-scenario of spilling red wine on it can be fixed, which I admittedly can't say about my sofa. (I have a "no red wine" policy in my living room because of it, and yes, I've gotten ribbing of the "MARY!" variety about it ever since my ex-partner and I bought it.)

[R112] I’ve sat on that sofa, it’s not comfortable. B&B is such a tacky place, so much lacquered and high gloss, it’s blinding walking in their store. The people working there are all eurotrash who don’t know anything about design. They have a few nice pieces here and there, though.

There are two kinds of people - people who buy cheap, poorly made merchandise that wears out quickly and has to be replaced, and people who buy quality, timeless, well constructed merchandise that lasts much, much longer. I feel this applies to furniture, clothing, shoes, watches, and cars. You get what you pay for. I feel that in the long run, you spend less if you pay for quality.

Gorgeous sectional R112

R112, You make many good points, but I don't think you know some things about plywood and construction methods. Firstly, plywood is superior in many ways over a typical length of wood because of its laminated stability. Now, depending on the grade and integrity of the plywood you may have some points. It is certainly superior to MDF which is heavy as hell but doesn't have the inherent tensile strength of plywood. Secondly, regarding glue. Of course, nails are used. Sometimes screws, in the cheapest, staples. But nailing a frame together has always been an industry standard. Dovetailed corners provide further stability and are still the norm for decent American companies.

When it comes to interior springs and such, most middle of the road American/Mexican manufacturers are still using a steel coil frame wrapped in wood. It's an updated version of the old 8 way hand-tied which was the gold standard of upholstery for many years. In place of the twine that tied off the springs, metal strapping has generally replaced it, making for a sturdier and more easily produced cost-effective frame.

Plywood in a frame covered in upholstery in a heated home will not warp or rot over time unless someone's house floods. It just won't happen. I have seen cheap Chinese upholstery using styrofoam and cardboard mixed in with a cheaply stapled plywood frame, but even that sofa lasted comfortably for a number of years. Quality can be had at many different price points, and shopping vintage is always a worthy option if you can get past the fact it's not new. The people here that have been hyper-paranoid of dust mites are worrying a bit too much. Reupholstery of a good old piece can be cost-effective and open you up to unlimited choices for fabric.

Now we can see what r117 had to say in r48.

Lastly, I cannot speak more highly of performance fabrics. There's bunch out there these days, the best known being Krypton. Usually some form of acrylic, the stain protection of the fabric is woven in, not sprayed on. It was originally made for outdoor use, we are using it EVERYWHERE indoors these days, You can literally get red wine out of white fabric.

[R117] way too much information. I’m going to Levitz for my new sofa.

Krypton? Great, more things to harm the environment.

I have a Bo Concept sofa that has held up well.

Apparently, their cushions are made of solid blocks of foam so they don’t lose their shape

Pay for quality, you fat whores!

[quote] I have a Bo Concept sofa that has held up well.

Whatever happened to them, anyway? We have a coffee table of theirs....$1200 if I remember right, but it's solid white glass and still looks good.

Not sure how to define quality. I’m not a sofa expert.

Do I assume an expensive couch automatically means quality?

I bought an expensive Dyson and it literally broke in half the week after the warranty was up

After spending that much on their wonderful couch I hope they never get tired of its design, comfort, upholstery, color, etc. I guess they can always send it to the Riviera…

R112 That B&B sofa could be 1956 or 1972 or 2010....it's not going to look dated in 30 years.

And since it's well made, it's not going to be a saggy mess anytime soon,

[R127] wrong! Those legs are out of style, height of popularity around 2004.

R112 is a bragging queen and the sofa is hideous.

Such an incredible waste of money. If you're the type of person that can afford something this extravagant, you're probably too busy working to actually lounge on it enough times to get your money's worth out of it.

10k for a couch is as stupid as 2k for shoes or 25k for a purse. It's just dumb. Do you not have a Levin's or VC Furniture or comparable near you? Ridiculous. Give your friend a slap upside the head for me, PLEASE!

[quote]wrong! Those legs are out of style, height of popularity around 2004.

The thin metal legs on that sofa are a design element that Mies van der Rohe was doing in the 1920s, Eero Saarinen in the 1940s. Florence Knoll in the 50s. Etc.

They are neither "in style" nor "out of style"....they just "are". A design classic.

They are only out of style for dummies who follow trends. In other words: people like you.

R131 What junk. No thanks.

[R132] Put your glasses on! It’s not that they’re thin metal legs, it’s the shape of them. Mies and Saarinen used thin legs that were more like simple columns, or maybe in Saarinen’s case a truss or arch.

Decorina queens are the worst!

Macy’s has good, middle of the road, affordable furniture

[quote] Macy’s has good, middle of the road, affordable furniture

Macy's has hideous, badly designed trash. Overstuffed atrocities for fraus and fat white trash with no taste.

I was recently in one of their showrooms and was astonished at how dreadful all of it was.

R135 Macy's is decent stuff for the money. Sure, if you're hell bent on spending more on furniture than many of us spent for college - please, go right ahead. It won't fill that void in your soul or it won't set you on a path to financial security. The only people who tell you $10K is reasonable for a sofa are the people making a commission of selling you that sofa.

What Macy's sells you can find less expensive elsewhere.

The price is less an issue for me than the fact it’s a suite.

The whole point of expensive furniture is that it’s made for you, your height, your room, its use.

Put too much of the same thing in one place and it looks like an office atrium where no one sits.

R137 It's not decent stuff for the money. You can spend the same elsewhere and get better quality.

I'm not suggesting someone needs to spend more. I'm suggestion one finds furniture that doesn't hurt your eyes and your soul just by looking at it.

R140 What do you do for a living?

I tell bitches with no taste to aim higher, honey, that's what.

10k for a couch?

Ouch!

I bet all the New York queens are wondering how one gets a sofa into an apartment, let alone one that costs $10K. You can’t fit much into a 300 SF apartment.

Their stuff may very well be overpriced for what it is but style wise, Macy's has attractive looking furniture as well ugly things. It's not all awful. That's simply not true.

A couch for a homecoming meth parties?

In my day, we freebased cocaine on picnic benches. In Minnesota. In winter!

Kids these days.

Spoiled.

I paid $130,000 for a Stormy Daniels cooch.

Sectionals are expensive. The only ones below $5000 are the hideous ones surban fraus love

A fool and their money are easily parted like they say!

r149 - The saying is "A fool and his money are a good time."

I just bought this one for MUCH LESS! Don’t you love it?

I’d like a Dunbar sofa in a camel color or a tweed.

That is extremely excessive...unless you live in a mansion and have unlimited funds to decorate. You can get yourself a very good sofa for less than $4,000. And if you're on a budget a good sofa can run you around 1800. Of course you can get less expensive ones but the quality suffers.Never buy second hand apholstered furniture.

If you're going to get sad trash at Macy's you might as well just go to VC Boutique and get the Welfare Special.

You bitches who are scared of used furniture crack me up. How do you even have sex? It's so MESSY. My antique chaise has been rebuilt from the ground up and has been STERILIZED. Fuck me gently on the plastic tarp covering it though, I don't want your dust mites clinging to it! Heavens to Betsey!

R155 It's like the sad whores who say "I can't live in a house that anyone else lived in!"

R154 Okay, that's an insult? Instead of pissing away money on foppish furniture - it's in my savings. When I retire in a couple of years, I'll have well over $1M.

Enjoy your overpriced furniture.

I will R157, and I'll have that much in savings too, probably more. But I didn't have to sit on a shiteous piece of crap with metal springs poking me in the ass to get it.

Our discussion affirms the global wealth disparity.

R158 You’re obsessed with an absolutist view: if you don’t spend a specific amount of money, then it’s going to be some terrible result. That’s an immature perspective. Perhaps as you get older, have a career, have a relationship measured in decades - you’ll overcome your need to “always be right”.

Especially when you’re not, and you’re an unreliable source.

Only those vapid instagram whores would be impressed with a $10,000 couch R158 . The rest of us just think its stupid.

R161 I never said I was interested in, or impressed by a $10,000 couch, you stupid cunt. What I said was that I also wasn't going to take some sort of pride in suffering by sitting on badly made shit.

[quote] You’re obsessed with an absolutist view: if you don’t spend a specific amount of money, then it’s going to be some terrible result

Not at all, but then again your literacy seems to be limited. My POV is the absolute opposite of absolutism. I am not the OP and do not believe one needs to spend ridiculous amounts of money like $10,000 - but I also think paying for a certain level of quality is important.

This is based on 25 years of furniture shopping, and learning that when you spend bargain prices and get a "deal," that piece of shit falls apart sooner and requires more money to replace, eventually exceeding what one would have spent if one had just unclenched one's asshole and shit out a few more nickels in the first place.

If people want to claim moral superiority because they spent very little on something and suffered for some sort of grand cause, then by all means crawl up on the cross.

Is this thread still about a sofa? Or is this some sort of a support group for people with personality disorders?

It’s class warfare.

[R164] maybe I should have said, this is like a mental hospital. I’m sure someone here thinks they’re Princess Anne and is riding around on a pretend horse, shouting about the upper class.

We have a loveseat in our 285sq ft apartment in Barcelona. Too bad Van Gogh keeps pissing on it...

What does "quality" mean exactly when it comes to sofas?

R167 Paying an excessive amount, or getting “Daddy” to pay a ridiculous amount. Humble bragging on Insta and FB how much you hated to spend soooo much but the “quality”.

R150 I was raised with a different saying but the meaning is the same i guess.Money doesn't buy you class it just makes you trash!

The quality of *everything* has gone to shit.

The only way now to purchase premium furnishings is to seek out indie/artisinal furniture makers who have their own shops. I think if they’re aged 30 and above and still doing it, that they will be able to make a living. They are de facto artists. I know there are some exceptions, but they are few and far between.

You can get from point A to point B very well in a Ford Fiesta... so why buy a Mercedes?

People with money want nice things. Is something strange about that?

And no, your $1,000 sofa is not "just as nice".

Good grief....people are spending millions on buying second and third homes. Do you really think spending $10,000 on the focal point of the biggest room in their house is outrageous for them?

Would someone here please post a photo of a 5-piece sectional in leather with a leather ottoman/table that costs LESS than $10,000. I'd like to see it.

BTW: My sofa is from Ikea. And since I bought it off the showroom floor it was half priced. And I'm perfectly happy with it.

But good for those who can afford one for $10,000.

If that $10,000 sofa is made in the US and it's giving work to American craftsman, I'm all for it.

I feel that I need to add that sectional sofas are tacky regardless of cost.

There's nothing tacky about a sectional sofa. It's a standard of modern design.

Im with R172 . Tacky as fuck . And they can swallow even a larger room whole.

I don't like the sofa at 112 but if he still likes it, and it's still in good condition 12 years later, and looks to remain so for many more years to come, than I'd agree that the $14,000 was worth it.

You can certainly not like them, but in a big modern interior they're appropriate. They're also made for a certain lifestyle.

We also heard on this thread the leather furniture is tacky.

Some of you really understand nothing about design.

*We also heard on this thread that leather furniture is tacky.

Is anybody familiar with the Arhaus franchise in the New York Long Island area. The store in Manhasset seems to be trying to emulate what Roche Bobois used to be before the Asian invasion which turned their classic pieces to a metallic ultra-modern horror show. Is it another one of those pretentious lipstick on a pig stores? I went their to price a custom sofa. The saleswoman was a dead ringer for Joan Rivers, from the makeup to the looks to the voice. She could sell shit to a fly, but knew diddly about furniture.

Michael Gold stuff is of rather simple design, nothing too outstanding, price points $3,000 and such, more when a larger piece with better fabric. For my $10,000 I'd want the Knoll Mies Barcelona Couch, $12,000. Knock-offs go for $2,000 but once you've seen the real thing you must have it. Nothing else will do, the "original" is best.

[R173] Sectional sofas are a standard of tacky Italian design, not modern design. B&B is one of those places that has a few good pieces, but lots of tacky, tacky, expensive stuff. You have to be careful with anything Italian, and French, because it tends to get tacky and tasteless. You wouldn’t go into Gucci and buy everything, just assuming it’s tasteful, would you? Otherwise, you’d look like one of those hip-hop artists.

[R179] I’ve seen some good knockoffs, stop giving Knoll all that money. The Florence Knoll sofa is so incredibly overpriced, it’s highway robbery!

Buy upholstered stuff new and everything else used. Spend the time looking for items that you love. I'm always upgrading when I find something better. If you buy cheap stuff just to fill a room, you'll never really enjoy the space. I would also advise that you really consider your lifestyle before making an expensive purchase. For instance, are you thinking about getting a pet in the future? And, how often do you have people over for dinner (and how many)?

[quote]Sectional sofas are a standard of tacky Italian design, not modern design.

(Oh boy)

The Danes, the Scandinavians etc were doing sectional sofas in the 50s and 60s.

They are a standard of modern design.

[quote]B&B is one of those places that has a few good pieces, but lots of tacky, tacky, expensive stuff.

B&B makes plenty of well designed classic pieces. And yes they are expensive. It's clientele are not looking for bargains in home decor.

A company that big that sells Internationally must accommodate different tastes.

[R183] You can say it as many times as you want, it’s still not true.

[R184] They have many nice pieces, but just as much garbage. Shopped there several times with clients, and I’ve noticed that their eurotrash “designers” pressure customers into buying everything there. The result is a bunch of over scaled pieces, many of which are lacquered. Gross.

I love Roche Bobois’s designs. I can’t afford a thing in there though

[Quote] For my $10,000 I'd want the Knoll Mies Barcelona Couch, $12,000

I just looked that up. It looks more like a mattress than a couch. How do you sit on it without your back hurting?

Has anyone ever bought clinches from LoveSac?

They actually look really comfortable and are nicely priced

[quote]The result is a bunch of over scaled pieces, many of which are lacquered. Gross.

You don't know what you're talking about. If there are any lacquered pieces in the B&B line it's tiny amount. They are not known for lacquered.

Overscaled? LOL. Yes for the average suburban home.

OP - It may be overpriced. However, show them this-- its an MCM Tuxedo Sofa --

Classic modern sofa attributed Edward Wormley for Dunbar. Measures: 9 ft in length. Fully restored, reupholstered in mohair, mahogany feet.

Listed at $8,500.

Make them weep.

Leather sectional is never classy.

[R189] I was just there, just about every media cabinet, credenza or any other name you have for it, was lacquered. I was expecting to see a Nagel print at some point. Not only that, but every light fixture was designed in the 1970’s or 1980’s and had a high gloss finish.

No, lady, I’m not talking about overscaled for suburban homes. I’m taking about overscaled for human beings, as in obnoxious.

OP = Kevin Spacey

R173, The two descriptors are not mutually exclusive.

R191 No high gloss lacquer to be found.

that woman in r192, what year did she receive her well-deserved Academy Award for Best Actress?

Are we still bringing bread and water for the sufferers on this thread?

You know, the righteous ones who spent 65 dollars and 48 cents on their couch, and want to hiss until they fill the room with their yeast infection scented dismay that people aren't recognizing their tremendous sacrifice?

[R194] Please walk into the store, you’ll see what I’m talking about. You have to physically go to the store and walk in. If you can’t get enough, go to Minotti.

[194] Oh, I just figured it out, you don’t have a B&B showroom in your area. You live in a second or third tier place. Maybe you can stop in on your next vacation.

Why is RH so disdained?

[R199] it’s worse than B&B, furniture for the nouveau riche.

R197 Sure Jan.

Please point out the lacquered furniture that B&B makes. Their complete collection is on line.

Thanks in advance.

Please dont be mean to R197, she has an eye disorder that makes her see everything shinny .

[R201] I hope this message reaches you in the Midwest. If you go to the storage unit section, you will find all of the high gloss lacquer splendor that you love. You’ll also find another thing that Italians love, exotic wood veneers. Barf.

There’s quite a bit that isn’t on the website, particularly light fixtures. Most of the sofas are awful, and they have some of the worst of 80’s postmodern design. Although, that’s supposed to be back in style again.

[quote]If you go to the storage unit section, you will find all of the high gloss lacquer splendor that you love.

[quote]There’s quite a bit that isn’t on the website, particularly light fixtures.

LOL. Nice try.

R190, shipping is nearly $800!

[R204] I give up, why am I wasting my time with this?

Yeah, no matter what they call it, R187, it isn't a sofa, it is a lounge piece. A daybed, etc. .I think I was told once the lounge was done at the request of a movie mogul, maybe Jerry Wald, for his office … something to go with the Barcelona chairs he had, something he could rest on. There are copies of both pieces made today. I think on the Net I've seen a sofa version, like three Barcelona chairs shoved together..

Again, this is about class warfare. Working stiffs could never ever possibly save enough coin for this, so it makes them bitter. And I think they should be. Most of our population has their noses pressed to the glass, staring at the pretty things, watching you shop. It is disgusting. Too many have-nots now.

Carry on.

Many years ago, when I was in my 20s and struggling financially, I remember being aghast when a guy I knew went out and purchased Christofle flatwear. I got my stuff from thrift stores. At the time I was of the mindset that because I couldn't afford things, then people with more money should not buy and enjoy nice things - they should also do without. Now, I don't give a shit who spends what.

Imagining [R208] sitting at a computer in a home for people with various mental illnesses. Maybe they’ll let him watch The Crown so he can fill everyone in on the details.

Um, bitch?^^^ I happen to actually be a “have” and enjoy some lux in my life — and I still think the income disparity in this country is tragic. I know this complex idea is too, too much....

I’m going to assume lux = scented candle from TJ Maxx.

Lol r212

I have yet to see something expensive that was actually nice!