Stupid Shit Straight Men Consider Manly or Girly

calling each other dude. bro, bra.....is the shit!

my straight brother thinks ankle socks are gay....he also won't go out in public with his best male friend unless one of their girlfriends is with them so people don't think they're gay!

Recycling, electric cars, anything that helps the environment, really.

They’re horrible conversationalists because they’re afraid to talk about anything but sports and boobs.

Salad! I was at a bbq once and a woman asked this straight guy if he wanted some salad, he scoffed at her' pfft, salad's for women'.

Straight men gotta have that half kilo of overcooked char grilled meat cause 'you're a fuckin man!'

R5 LOL at some point in his life, an uncle or someone was like: “only FAGS eat salad!”

Men's Pocky. Because dark chocolate is for men.

You're not a man unless you drive a truck (utility), drink beer, eat red meat three times a day, have a dog...preferably an aggressive one..oh, and it's ok to shove your missus round a bit...she should be in the kitchen anyway!

add to r8 own a gun! You're not a man unless you own a gun!

Chapstick specifically for Men is fucking hilarious, as if regular chapstick was for “fucking Queers”.

art is for fags, fashions is for fags, anything remotely educational, cultural, classy, academic, is for fags

I thought beer was invented in ancient Mesopotamia.

grooming is for fags, you're not a man unless you're unshaven and messy, Conditioner, moisturiser, what are they?

omg books are for fuckin fags! Unless you're outside doing something physical to exercise your manliness, your a fag! Except videogames, videogames are manly and not immature, not even when you're 45, so fuckin manly.

you're not your, but I don't care, cause correct spellin and gramma is for fags

theatre is for fags! real men go watch football and baseball.

My bro in law is always a good example of anything Deplorable.

He once discovered that his house had a fire pit. He took to gathering spare wood and creating huge bonfires in the pit. I pointed out that there was a leafy limb above the pit that might catch fire. He scoffed. Later I learned that he set the backyard on fire.

So, I think having any concept of consequences, risk vs. reward, is not considered manly for some toxic reason.

r 17 bit tough man gotta build fire

r18 make that big not bit, stick can't fuckin spell properly cause I;m a fuckin man!

still# fuck I need my glasses lol

R20 no you don’t, bro. Only fags need glasses, real men can see perfect. Or I mean real fucking good, Perfect is kind of a fag word.

Was watching this youtube video....don't ask me why...this insecure fundie pastor was talking about some shit he had posted on twitter. He said he tweeted something, then stops to say 'tweeting sounds so unmanly,' and his fundie fraus congregation laughed. So, apparently tweeting its unmanly. Who's gonna tell trump?

r21 ahahahahahaaha so true, glasses are for fags and nerds and aspies

Apparently bringing your own bags to the grocery store is unmanly. So you fuckin hold all your shit you buy in your arms but you don't look like a dickhead bro, Perhaps they think it's like having a handbag.

Makeup is for chics and fags. But spray on tan and teeth bleaching is so fuckin manly! Shaving your legs is manly, but only for sports or gym otherwise it's faggy

“Beer started with the Vikings” - Christ people are so fucking stupid.

Beer predates the Pyramids R1.

BBQ outside is fuckin manly, cooking inside is for women.

R12, it was, it was.

Southern Straight men are so easy to brainwash, just make them think something is gay and that by doing whatever it is they would lose pussy access. Ultimately though women are the gatekeepers, it’s why you’ll find “environmentally-friendly feminist” guys in Brooklyn because the women want men like that there.

R26 is a fag who reads books.

Axe body spray is manly and so are skid marks and dingleberries.

When I think of a straight man getting insecure about his sexuality or even in a mild situation where maybe he’s asked by the wife to go to a Julia Roberts movie or something, I always imagine it like if Rip Torn was pissed screaming “I ain’t no fucking Queer!”

It's manly to eat everything covered in hot sauce. It doesn't matter that you can't taste the food under the hot sauce, only matters that it's so hot it burns your mouth.

According to a guy at work washing your ass is "some queer shit". I pity his poor wife.

This thread is so cute.

My male friends will not eat salad, go to female-led or themed movies, use certain words like “gorgeous,” or read nonfiction because they think it’s “girly.” Some of them are bi, so it’s not just straight dudes.

Guys don’t cross their legs

Last year my BIL freaked out because my nephew took a cupcake with yellow frosting instead of chocolate frosting. Apparently yellow frosting is only for girls.

Dining out at upscale restaurants.

R38 your nephew sounds like a fudge-packing fag, your BIL too cupcakes is for Queers.

R2

I had a friend at university who would not have dinner with another male in case others assumed they were a couple.

Reading the instructions before setting up any moderately complicated electronic equipment or assembling and piece of furniture. My very masculine, hobbyist-welder partner is horrible for this. He also used to hate to ask for directions, trusting his own sense of direction. Now we can both trust the GPS.

Sending thank-you notes or any handwritten letter of any sort is beyond the ability of my nephews. I gave them the stationary and nice pens years ago when their parents agreed they needed to be schooled in adult manners and sent them to Cotillion class. The thank-you notes came shortly after the gift of the pens and never another until they married and their wives started sending them out.

R36 I remember a guy in college who went on a drunken rant about how he didn’t like any female singer’s music, just their looks.

Another in rich frat boy in college was jokingly told “maybe your gay haha” and exploded about how “there wasn’t a gay bone in my body”

R42 sounds like Uncle Bottom wasn’t deserving a thank you note for his hole.

A lot of dudes will not wear a heavy coat because they think it’s Manly to be coatless

No man should wear a scarf or gloves

Brass Charivari chair

Yeah, guys will not publicly admit to listening to music by females

Yeah, guys will not publicly admit to listening to music by females

The French scarf

La Grenouille

Gstaad

Très faggy, R50.

Men go to Verbier not Gstaad. Men do not wear statement scarves. Men buy LC2 chairs by Le Corbusier, although Italian men will appreciate a modern Charivari. Men go to Cellini not La Grenouille.

[quote]theatre is for fags! real men go watch football and baseball.

Don't forget wrestling! What could be manlier than watching sweaty muscular men in form-fitting briefs or tights grappling and straining against each other?

Straight guys don't use the word "lavish".

Anything strawberry or cherry-flavoured is unmanly.

Cats are for fags.

Why did OP portray this as things only straight guys consider girly or manly? Straight and bi guys today have the same rules with the emphasis on masculinity in dating. Masc4Masc is an entire movement about dating within these strict gender conventions.

Yeah, guys don’t like cats

Talking on the phone leisurely

I know a guy who only dates guys who are blue dollar and didn’t go to college. He’s says educated and white collar dudes are too “soft” and unmanly. He doesn’t like guys who read books for fun

R58 yeah, OP excluded the Bi’z!! Cancel him

Shut up, dumbass cunt. We have plenty of masc4masc threads here.

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Boasting about how much alcohol you can drink is very manly. Crying is only for pussies.

-Public Transportation -Electric Cars -Broadway Theatre -Diva Worship

^ Girly

Team Sports - Manly

Individual Sports -. Faggy

Handsome straight dude brahs who graduated from Vassar.

Cotillion class.?? wtf, is this 1850?

R12 R28 History is girly. And you're wrong. Vikings = beer = real men

Got it? All for now. I'm going outside to howl at the moon.

The salad thing is real. I had a friend from Mexico who was openly gay from a wealthy family. He told me one time at lunch that in Mexico only woman eat salads and was very shocked to see men doing that in the US even at lunch. He wasn't complaining, but it was something he was taught growing up. Before that I never thought of food as being masculine or famine but it kind of makes sense since the Spanish language and many others refer to objects as if they have a specific gender.

That's because they are woman R63

English used to have more gendered language but obviously nothing like a proper Romance language. Speaking of salads and lunch, "to lunch" is a gendered verb. Men do not lunch (verb). They eat/have (verb) lunch (noun).

Gorgeous, Fabulous, Lavish, Marvelous, Superb, Fab, Girlfriend, Daddy Bear, Bitch, Mary, Twink, Duvet Cover = All gay

The Data Lounge is girly, not manly

The obsession with Judy Garland is girly, feminine and embarrassing

Lots of nelly queens posting

Using an umbrella, buying anything from Starbucks

Also I never heard of salad as unmanly, lots of straughtfitness bro type guys I work out with eat salad, usually with chicken or some other protien

R78 good one, using an umbrella for flyover straights is unfathomable, they might as well fuck a guy. What a bunch of idiots.

One of my favorite scenes in Death Wish II is Paul Kersey visiting his GF at the hospital she works at. They're in the cafeteria picking up food and as they sit down and talk his GF says, "I didn't know you liked quiche." Kersey says, "I thought it was pie". He takes a bite and says, "It's good!".

I love that because it was about the time that some douchebag wrote a book called Real Men Don't Eat Quiche. It was a poke in the eye to the author and his followers.

Unless you're from a European or Asian background, het men think taking care of your mother is unmanly. Taking care of your father is ok, but apparently your mother can die in a ditch.

There's a healthy foid place next to my gym and all the male gym guys eat there, their menu's have things on it like "Protein bulding salad" etc

They sell more salads than anything, so I don't think in the US anyway that salad is unmanly

Earrings

Caftans

[quote] Unless you're from a European or Asian background

In other words. . Most of the entire world

Ballet is the way gays can recruit young men.

Men twirling flags and spinning rifles is really gay.

I know a dude who will NOT eat hot dogs. Phallic symbol and all.

Rural and southern men are more likely to adhere to the manly Versus girly rules. I see lots of jock type bros eating salads in big Northeast cities, but in the Rural South, doing so openly might make you into a hate crime victim. Likewise, using an umbrella. Wearing a scarf is forbidden everywhere except The Northeast, unless elderly.

Desserts with bananas in them, supposedly. Wedding planners have been known to veto these choices on the grounds that male guests don't touch them.

I don’t like bananas

Applying sunscreen properly = gay. Forget asking one of their buddies to apply some on his back.

Manly fashion

A certain subset of straight men thinks watching foreign films is ‘gay.’ Personally, I think it’s the subtitles that get to them — all that reading, the words go by too fast!

The view that reading is girly really is huge. Teachers report it starts early and inhibits boys from excelling in reading and English, by intentional avoidance

Additionally, there is an American identity centered around anti-intellectualism that inhibits young people from wanting to appear too smart

Hmmmm.... even as a kid I always liked banana ice cream. Here in Seattle, men will often enough wear a hat rather than use an umbrella.

Reading seems more class-related, where the "poorly educated" (as our prez would put it) women read lowbrow stuff like romance novels, or anything by Jodi Picoult, etc.

Do real men drink wine?

I admit I hate making grocery lists! Perhaps there's an allergen for that on the Y chromosome?

R93 and R94, that is truly sad.

owning a cat

You know what this thread is showing? That it isn't gay men who are 'straight acting' - it is straight men themselves who are putting on an act pretty much all the time.

But only a faggy brainbox who has read (the fag) Foucault (the faggy fag).

...would say that.

But pressing send before you've completed your post - is that faggy or straight acting?

Millennials have masculinized drinking wine, although class is a factor, Beer consumption is flat or down amongst younger people

[quote]my straight brother thinks ankle socks are gay....he also won't go out in public with his best male friend unless one of their girlfriends is with them so people don't think they're gay!

R2 If you want fuck with his head tell your brother that people will think the girlfriend is a faghag

[quote]I gave them the stationary and nice pens years ago when their parents agreed they needed to be schooled in adult manners and sent them to Cotillion class.

What do they teach in "Cotillion class?" How to be nice to your slaves?

Ankle socks And no shows are huge with gym bros

Knee socks are manly....as long as they’re worn while killing motherfucking WODs with one’s bros at the box.

Yoga pants are manly....as long as they’re called compression tights and worn under baggy shorts while killing motherfucking WODs with one’s bros at the box.

What are WOD's?

Probably Workout of the Day.

Workout Of (the) Day, in Crossfit

Manly Standards vary based upon region, urbanity, age, education, ethnicity, and class.

Blue collar dudes in the rural south And Midwest have the most rigid masculinity standards.

I love R102 and he is a genius

Over the years I've learned, according to my straight brother, these things are for fags:

Singing in public, like the school choir

Acting in a school play

Working in retail

Driving a compact car

Owning a cat

Watching old B&W movies

Wearing tank tops

Eating foreign food unless it's Chinese take out

Playing with action figures like GI Joes

Playing softball

Olympic wrestling

Having a party without any girls present

BBQing small cuts of beef, chicken or pork chops

Wearing cologne

Wearing bright colours except for safety vests

Wearing new work boots to work

The list is endless and exhuasting

Guys who dont say “bro” or “dude” are “suspect,” my class says.

I think that's him about foreign food. I've run across masc guys who are fine with it.

True about the endless list of shit that some straight guys think of as "gay" or at the very least "unmasculine." I imagine it must be exhausting to have so many prohibitions in life.

Again, why is this referred to as only a straight guy fixation? Many gay and bi dudes have the same views

R116 much more extreme and pervasive for straight men. Feel free to discuss Gay/Bi men here or go to a Masc4Masc thread...

Turn signals are for fags! I drive how I want!

R116

I've always found ankle socks on men to be incredibly effeminate, reminding me of the "peds" my mom wore when I was a kid.

White wine is for women and fags. Sweet white wine is really for fags

Condoms are stupid. Birth control is a woman's responsibility. Just let me worry about the fucking and she can worry about what happens after.

Old masculine Swiss, German and Austrian codgers drink white wine all afternoon.

Also I'm a college prof and ALL the bros wear invisible socks. Its very pleasant because they are still wearing flood water jeans, cut that way or rolled, and young men have virile hair all the way down to their ankles.

A lot of this has to do with class and intelligence. Most intelligent straight men from upper middle-class and upper classes wouldn't have a problem with most of these things. It's mostly only dumb, ill-educated, lower class types who have these ridiculous fixations on masculinity. The young and immature from the middle and upper classes might have these attitudes too but would most likely outgrow it with maturity and education. Straight men from rural areas probably have these attitudes regardless of class however.

the short suit trouser with dress shoes and no socks looks fuckin ridiculous and faggy andI loathe it but even straight bro hipsters seem to all be into it.

R124 yeah maybe on the UES in Manhattan. You’ve obviously never met some super rich frat boys from Texas.

Having a dessert with a meal.

r126 obviously never read my last sentence

I don't think working in retail is "gay", maybe cashiering orcworkibg in clothes/softlines but who do you think unloads those trucks in the backroom warehouses of those big retailers and operate forklifts and other equipment?

Mostly all straight blue collar men

Not many straight men are into yoga. But yoga is tough, and they couldn't do it anyway.

I once heard a douchebro say this after a co-worker told everyone his wife was pregnant, "Having a baby is totally fucking gay!"

There's a tv show in Britain called Top Gear. A bunch of middle aged dude bro wankers talking about and driving cars fast. One of the presenters got ripped a few years ago for saying he never eats ice cream cones because 'it's kinda gay,' What an insecure cunt!

R131 a lot of straight guys use "gay" as in corny or stupid not actually meaning gay gay

Two buddies I work with always says,"That's so gay" or "You're so gay" to one another over sports and shit, they say it meaning "You're retarded"

Barbers are cool manly bros. Male hairdressers are fags!

Being present at your children's birth used to be solely a woman's domain. No man would ever be caught dead in a maternity ward with midwives. Vaginas are only for sexual pleasure, no man wanted to see it mutilated and giving birth. Neither of my grandfathers were present for any of their children's births, It wasn't the done thing

r126 I wouldn't call rich frat boys from Texas or their families upper class, they're just cashed- up lower middle class. The word class would denote that.

I associate port wine with cigars.

Thought I'd mention the time that I overheard a group of them discussing hunting. When it came to how to cook the venison, they were swapping recipes like a bunch of old biddies at a quilting bee!

This reminds me of the douchebros who go on grindr identifying as straight but looking for dick. Men who have sex with men they're called, but they're not gay, bro

Small cars and sedans are for women and fags! A man drives a pickup/SUV/4WD

I have found that the "straight men" most concerned with denoting what is manly or girly, tend to be looking for cock on the down low. I live in the South and plenty of guys eat salad, use umbrellas, and wear scarves, etc... just like everywhere else, because MOST men are secure in their masculinity. The ones who are insecure are jokes to other men, regardless of sexuality.

That being said the umbrella one comes from the military. In most situations they are forbidden from using them while in uniform, except when in Class A and B uniforms. Since, in recent times, most military members spend the vast majority of their time in the service in fatigues even when not deployed they help to spread the feeling that umbrellas are un-masculine.

On the upside, went to my 20 year school reunion.. All the straight guys looked terrible. Fat, bald/balding, aged skin from the sun, wrinkles, yellow-teethed and sloppily dressed. Gay men look after themselves, everyone said I looked great. Albeit no one can help being bald, although I take medication to keep mine after my twin brother lost his.

R36, maybe they don't go female-led or -themed movies because they prefer to look at men and enjoy movies with strong male characters more.

This is one thing I don't understand about gay male culture. I like men. I'm attracted to men, and I also am one. Movies and TV shows that are dominated by women are of limited interest to me - not no interest at all, but limited. Why are they so popular in gay culture? The old ones, from mid-century and earlier, I understand. They're fun because of the clothes and hair and music, etc. And I sort of get diva worship, although I don't share it. But just ordinary TV shows that are dominated by female characters? Why would someone who is a man and is attracted to men be interested in that?

[quote]they say it meaning "You're retarded"

You're so fucking gay R133!

A straight man wrote into a health magazine asking if he should stop kissing and hugging his18 month old son because he was concerned it might make him gay! The doctor told him there was more danger for the child's emotional development if he WASN'T intimate and bonding with him. She explained to the dumb cunt that there was no way intimacy and bonding could cause homosexuality. Fuck she must have laughed.

When I was 12 years old I learned from my brother that small chocolate bars, like Snickers or Mars bars, were for fucking homos. Regular guys buy a Mr. Big or Oh Henry. Oddly enough he hasn't changed his opinion after all these years.

Getting naked in the locker room is now gay. Jesus Christ.

R142, I don’t understand why a subset of gay men are so into feminine things and emulate women. It’s baffling to me how they study, criticize, mimic, idolize, and hang around women. I’m a guy. I’m attracted to males, but more importantly I identify with men. I usually don’t listen to female music because it’s written from a female perspective that I can’t understand. I’m not into divas because they are so unlike me as a man. I’m not teething effeminate men, but it is just bizarre to me.

To me it is more bizarre for straight men to prefer male singers, as I associate singing with intimacy. Also most music is just written from the human perspective, not a male or female specific one.

So I have a twin brother. Yes he is gay. He isn't out. He's married to a woman with a (IVF) baby on the way. He thinks no one knows he is gay. I found gay porn on his computer years ago and a friend of mine found him on grindr and screenshot his profile and sent it to me. My brother has been so fuckin cruel to me about my sexuality, He's a cunt and a hypocrite. I don't know why I don't out him. He pretends to be a douchebro. He's always saying gay slurs under his breath and thinks he's funny. Someone is always 'as gay as AIDS' etc. He goes on with a lot of the shit people have posted on here in an attempt to avert attention away from his own sexuality. So these is merit in the saying ; the bigger the homophobe the bigger the closet case.

^ Holy Shit!

r150 it puts me in a very difficult position and I wish I didn't know

As several of you have already noted, this is 100% a social class issue, not a gay/straight issue. What most of you are describing as "gay" are things that all upper middle class men, gay, straight or undecided have in common. (At least the ones under 50 in the Blue Zone.)

And the one poster whose brother is constantly calling out random things he thinks are "gay" -- you don't need to be Freud to figure out what the thought process behind that is.

Many of these are very funny though. Ankle socks? Desserts with bananas? Starbucks.

Perhaps the Deplorables look at the upper middle class men in their city and assume the upscale burbs have been occupied by homosexuals and thus vote for Trump?

I learn so much from DL

R143 i would never call someobe gay as in retarded but straight people use it all the time without meaning "gay"

Example

"Dude your 49ers suck, you should become a Cowboys fan like me, we got the NFC East this year"

Other guy, "Oh shut up,you're so gay, Ill never be a Cowboys fan"

"You shoulda seen them Darlene! A whole back of ho-mo-secks-you-ulls wearing shirts that said Citibank 10K on 'em... with them short socks like you gals wear! They was all folding their little umbrellies up when they went into that there Starbucks place and came out with them fancy cold coffees!! I never seed so many of 'em in my life. One even had him a pink shirt on. I bet he was the leader."

A lot is a class thing. The lower class being jealous of the cultured/wealthy/educated upper classes. 'They wear nice clothes and go to fancy restaurants therefore they must be gay!' You envy someone so you tear them down to make yourself feel better, You don't understand someone, you tear them down. The British and Australians call it tall poppy syndrome.

Interesting R140?

I thought it came from 8th grade when you were first hitting adolescence and not wearing a winter coat or hat or carrying an umbrella in the rain was the height of cool because it was all about rebelling from your parents and showing that you were your own person, no matter how cold or wet you might be.

Most of us seemed to get over that before college.

r156 It was rebellion but it was also to show you were a big tough man, you could withstand the cold and wet and it made you robust and strong.

pneumonia

The lower classes think the cultured are homosexuals. Simple. It's always been this way.

What is manly and what is girly are just social constructs. These men who carry on like this (by no means all straight men) are innately insecure. They're immature, uncultured, overly status conscious to the point of paranoia, and I fail to see how they can be very intelligent or that well educated.

Going through this now. Someone should compile these because so many of the ideas reflected here are a phenomenal snapshot of the massive class differences we now have in America and why both sides find each other unrecognizable.

Here are just a few that blow me away because they're not even a remote thought in my America, with the UMC response in italics afterwards

[quote] The view that reading is girly really is huge. Teachers report it starts early and inhibits boys from excelling in reading and English, by intentional avoidance

[quote] omg books are for fuckin fags! Unless you're outside doing something physical to exercise your manliness, your a fag!

[quote] Recycling, electric cars, anything that helps the environment, really.

[quote] Salad! I was at a bbq once and a woman asked this straight guy if he wanted some salad, he scoffed at her' pfft, salad's for women'.

[quote] My male friends will not eat salad, go to female-led or themed movies...read nonfiction because they think it’s “girly.”

[quote] grooming is for fags, you're not a man unless you're unshaven and messy,

How do you impress your date or your client if you look like you've spent the last week writing code?

[quote] Dining out at upscale restaurants.

[quote] guys will not publicly admit to listening to music by females

[quote] A certain subset of straight men thinks watching foreign films is ‘gay.’

I'm sure my fellow travelers on DL can find more.

Millennial Friend, it's purely a class thing. Unfortunately lower class attitudes have become predominate in popular culture, therefore it's popular to have these views. I really don't come across these types of people but I am aware of them.

A lot of Trumpism is fueled by disdain And resentment towards things perceiveD as feminine or soft in our culture. The culture wars are in essence a war between those who want a uber masculine culture versus those who desire a more feminine culture. That’s why the war on toxic masculinity elicits such a visceral backlash.

The no coats in winter thing has become very popular. In fact, it’s become common for dudes to wear shorts when it’s freezing cold and snowing just to show how tough and manly they are.

[quote] In fact, it’s become common for dudes to wear shorts when it’s freezing cold and snowing just to show how tough and manly they are.

And then they celebrate their 25th birthday and realize how dumb wearing shorts in winter was.

Huh?

[quote]I've always found ankle socks on men to be incredibly effeminate, reminding me of the "peds" my mom wore when I was a kid.

I don't know about effeminate, but they're ugly as hell. I'd have to resort to 70s Disco-wear to name an item of clothing more effective at dispelling an otherwise hot guy's appeal.

i think ankle socks look sexy

I’m so glad I don’t know these people. How tiresome and juvenile. It’s so performative: they’re slaves to sitcom stereotypes.

At my gym, almost half the attendees of yoga classes are straight men (Equinox in Century City).

Everyone eats salad. Barbecue is for peasants. All the wealthy people I secretly envy are vegan or almost vegan.

The guys in OP’s pic are supposed to be straight bros? With that kind of physical intimacy?

I love the snobs on here, 'I've never known anyone like this. You're all plebs!'

Someone sounds like a flyover.

Gay boys are worse than bros for under dressing in winter

Gaybros are a thing ya know

I gained weight a few years back and got a prominent gut. Was told by a few straights I looked manlier with the extra pounds.

Mitt Romney is gay.

A lot of it is classist and regional resentment. Hatred for intellectuals and people who live in cities has given us Trump

Isn't it weird that so many str8 men shave their pubes and legs trying to look like women

Some of y’all must be posting from 1989 because ankle socks are wildly popular with dudebros today. See Instagram.

It is very manly to drive fast enough to frighten your passenger, and never EVER let anyone cut in front of you (even on a multi-lane road). The act of letting someone cut in front of you will turn you gay on the spot.

Apparently gay men are constitutionally unable to drive fast.

These tenets hold true across all classes and all levels of education.

Dieting / admitting to dieting.

Dudes never call it dieting. We call it “eating clean” or “cutting.” Females call it dieting.

Dudes don’t drink Diet soda, except for Coke Zero, which is made for males

So many of them obviously do care about their weight but will never admit it.

Dudes care about their weight by lifting weight, taking supplements, and eating clean to get ripped. It’s how we do it

[quote] Dudes never call it dieting. We call it “eating clean” or “cutting.” Females call it dieting.

Plenty of women are learning the lingo R181

FWIW, I find that the people of both sexes who talk about dieting all the time are the ones who never actually lose any weight.

And this thread all goes back to my comment on the political threads, which is that Trump's campaign slogan would truthfully be "What? You Think You're Better Than Me?"

If you think about it, his appeal on The Apprentice was seeing all of "those people who think they're better than us" get fired and put in their place. Trump was wish fulfillment for Deps.

I can’t stand that term eating clean. I used to work with someone who was always talking about that and would eat chicken nuggets. They must have been scrubbed clean at the slaughter house?

Yep Trump won by tapping into American resentment toward “cultural elites” and cosmopolitans.

My Dad loved books, poetry (he even wrote some himself), classical music (he played the violin), cats, in fact all animals, and taking my mother to movies of her choice. He was as masculine as Ernest Hemingway, without the tendency for suicide.

I've noticed that farting in public is sometimes a manly thing.

Yes, farting in public seems to be a thing. And so is either hoarding one’s snot and snorting it up loudly for hours on end (get a goddamn Kleenex, will ya?) or doing what in my country is referred to as the ‘hockey blow.’ You can use your imaginations to figure that one out.

Wearing baseball caps everywhere is huge, Including to the office, to funerals, and to weddings.

Cargo shorts are the ugliest garment ever designed and only straight men still wear them.

Not in Middle America. Lots of gay dudes wear them here

R16 yes, football (or soccer for the Kismets) is for Lads only. Proper LADS.

The little shorts and thin tight-fitting shirts? The stripping to celebrate? All that touching, kissing, massaging each other's shoulders when in play? Just boys being boys and getting all that testosterone & energy out while bonding. Same for the fans who obsessively follow good-looking players and snog each other in pubs when their side wins/cry on each other when they lose - nothing gay about it, just a bit of homosociality.

Listen to adorable Oxbridge posho Joe Thomas tell you a very hetero anecdote (c.5:00) of the opponent he once had who squeezed his balls mid-match and called him "pretty" before asking him where his boyfriend was, purely to intimidate him and put him off his game of course.

From what I see on the street dressing like children in baseball caps, team jerseys, shorts and sandals.

None of these images of culture, literacy and good manners = gay would have gained traction if they weren't propagated by the media.

Old movies and TV shows often had gentlemanly, cultivated men who were also heterosexual. (They only portrayed heterosexuals, so it was a given.) That was abandoned a long time ago, and we see the results.

Beer was created by women...for a certain part of history, only women were allowed to brew it. The modern idea of beer as "manly" is absolutely hilarious.

R195 CORRECT

Is that Jane Hathaway with the arm around the guy in the foreground of the picture?

It’s the era of being the perpetual dudebro. Even professionals wanna be the cool bro

R112 wrote:

[quote]Wearing tank tops

Really? I thought muscular young blue collar guys liked to wear wifebeaters.

Or do you mean the low cut tank tops that show more than 3/4 of your chest?

Tank tops are considered cool

Though straight guys might find this photo questionable.

Crossing your legs like this.

This is the correct way to do it. It looks perfectly natural and normal and comfortable. It doesn't look at all like the guy is trying way too hard to be masculine.

Chris Pine shows us several things douchebro straight guys find "queer" : Legs crossed, too-tight pants, no socks with dress shoes and sculpted hair full of product.

Owning a cat instead of a dog.

Which is funny because I'm pretty sure Threesupermen on chaturbate is straight and likes cats.

Same with the two Russian guys, Phill_Jones.

[quote]i would never call someobe gay as in retarded

Does this qualify as unintentional irony?

Going out for brunch is considered gay.

Using a straw to sip a drink.

Dudes judge dudes for drinking girly drinks

My str8 brother says espadrilles are gay.

What is that?

Singing songs popularized by female artists

r216 probably best to read the thread before you post

[quote]a lot of straight guys use "gay" as in corny or stupid not actually meaning gay gay. Two buddies I work with always says,"That's so gay" or "You're so gay" to one another over sports and shit, they say it meaning "You're retarded"

Yeah, its called homophobia and it's a slur. That was very common 20 years ago when my nieces and nephew used it, lots of kids were using that as the default insult at the time. Thankfully their parents corrected them and explained to them what they were doing even though in their mind they didn't mean it that way. But that was 20 fucking years ago, how old are your two buddies?

[quote]Using a straw to sip a drink.

Straws are ok, but according to some straight Fraus I saw in TV once any man who drinks from the bendy kind is gay.

R218 early 20s

I cross my legs like that all the time R205. I cant even do it the other way, it hurts my hips for some reason. Ironically I was accused for being a poser by another gay man just because that's the way I sit. Apparently gay men have more of an issue with that than straight men do.

[quote] None of these images of culture, literacy and good manners = gay would have gained traction if they weren't propagated by the media. Old movies and TV shows often had gentlemanly, cultivated men who were also heterosexual.

And they were call Fancy Pants. Wink, Wink = Gay

Tim on 90 day...is thought of as a girly man but I don"t think so.

Apparently at one time knitting was done by men, at least amongst the "working classes," especially fishermen or farmers. Women would spin the yarn, etc., but the men actually knit the sweaters or caps. Actually, a cousin of mine did all the knitting for his family and he was quite good at it.

Farting and burping is big with men, we bond over it as well as any type of bathroom humor

Women talk about their "feelings", men talk about their farts

Farting and burping is big with men, we bond over it as well as any type of bathroom humor

Women talk about their "feelings", men talk about their farts

Men who cook in the home are seen as gay. Which is weird when you think about it because 99% of the best chefs in the world are men.

Ditto for men who bake. Yet same rule applies, most pastry chefs are men.

Ironically the two guys in the pic OP posted are both quite pretty and feminine looking

R218. A lot of teenage boys still use the word that's so gay even now. The hardcore ones still use the word faggot or fag. I hear them yapping to each other about some kid acting mad gay.

Using gay as a slur was popular in the 80s when I was a kid. It's been around forever and I don't see that changing. Then you had South Park some years back doing an episode saying fag was ok too.

Don't you just love hets?

“Gay” as an insult still is widely used. “No homo” still is popular too.

If nothing else, this thread has made me realize how hard all you Flyoverstani and blue collar gays have it.

There's very little that I do that makes me stand out from straight guys my age/in my social groups/that I work with.

Whereas with you all it seems that everything you do makes you seem different and "weird" and apart.

Even though we're doing the same thing.

In many ways it explains the fascination with social class on here.

R232 not necessarily. A masculine gay guy in America doesn’t stand out unless he’s holding his boyfriend’s hand in Wal-Mart. Being a masculine male means you blend in with the mainstream everywhere.

Lots of straight guys are just hiding.

Rural gay men tend to be much more masculine than urban ones

YourMillennialFriend's ancestors were dirt poor shtetl dwellers, but he likes to act like he's so above it all.

[quote]I cross my legs like that all the time R205. I cant even do it the other way, it hurts my hips for some reason. Ironically I was accused for being a poser by another gay man just because that's the way I sit. Apparently gay men have more of an issue with that than straight men do.

I would think it's more comfortable to not cross your legs at all than to do it the "masculine" way.

Crossing legs is uncomfortable

Brits are fags because they talk like fags.

Drinking tea instead of coffee.

Reading books like this.

or this

Using your full first name is gay, eg. Michael instead of Mike.

That’s true R243. Almost every gay man I know does that, and they get all prissy if you mistakenly call them the shorter “Mike” once in a while.

[quote] YourMillennialFriend's ancestors were dirt poor shtetl dwellers, but he likes to act like he's so above it all.

Only on one side (and they were German so probably more of a ghetto in 1840s Frankfurt than an actual shtetl.)

The other side were poor farmers from Wales who emigrated to Maryland in the 1870s.

Mortifying I know, given that the vast majority of DLers are descended from the millions of landed gentry (barons, earls and the like) who left England, Sweden and the Protestant parts of Germany to seek their fortunes in America.

SMH

Except R233 that definition of "masculine" as reported by DLers seems increasingly narrow.

If I go to a business lunch in NY, SF or LA, it's like a competition among the straight 40 and 50 year old men to see who can order the healthiest ("cleanest") lunch, which frequently means some sort of salad involving kale.

I guess everyone adapts, but it must be pretty hard to have to always be thinking about whether things you are doing come off as "gay"

Y’all know and hang out with some of the most stereotypical people I’ve ever heard of, gay and straight. Or are you just stuck in 1992?

The latter R247

For many DLers, the years 1987 to 2019 seem to have never happened. Hence the fascination with movies, TV shows, celebrities, social mores and the like from 40 years ago. And the responses to travel threads that begin "when I was there in 1984...." as if things clearly had not changed in 35 years.

I concur. Hence, that is why so many here are fixated on citing and referencing stuff from 1971, 1979, 1985, 1996, 2002 when discussing things that should only be about what is happening in 2019. Too many here are stuck in yesteryear and have outdated notions.

Our superiors have arrived in the last 3 posts. All hail!

[R248] my ancestors came from Wales to Maryland, too. They were called the Iddings which was anglicized to Eden. Some of them were Phillips, too. They made glass.

R248 is naive. 99% of our lives are determined by history. You don't even realize how much everything you think depends on conditions that no longer pertain. You cannot wish away homophobia, Republicans, Christians, or military dictatorship by hooking up with a 20 year old who knows nothing of any of it. Indeed, if Trump had not been part of what was wrong with America in the 70s and 80s he wouldn't be anybody now.

Uuuuum okay

[quote]If I go to a business lunch in NY, SF or LA, it's like a competition among the straight 40 and 50 year old men to see who can order the healthiest ("cleanest") lunch, which frequently means some sort of salad involving kale.

Kale was garbage peasant food for centuries, but now it's the key to everlasting life amongst the moneyed classes. It's fascinating how things can change.

White people have discovered collard greens

LOL, very true R254

Isn't lobster sort of the same thing (not healthy but was something working class New Englanders ate and then somehow became super fancy.)

I know I draw a straight line between the plot intricacies of Golden Girls and Madonna songs from the mid-80s and the rise of Trump.

How could anyone NOT see that?

Taking care of their feet. I was at the wedding of my nephew recently and saw his dad, my older brother's, feet. I really felt sorry for my sister in law (who I can't stand) after seeing how horrible my brother's feet looked. It looked like a dog had been chewing on them.

I should have said something to him but I didn't.

Lobsters were called "the cockroaches of the ocean" and it was something poor people ate. I don't know how it became a delicacy (or close to it, anyway) but yes, it was originally lower-class food.

these stereotypes are still very much alive, not sure why some posters are trying to pretend that they're ancient history

R205, R221, there is a cultural difference in the US. Southern men cross their legs together, closed; others cross them at right angles. This is also a euro vs american thing. It's girly or not depending on where you live. I wouldn't doubt that social pressure has caused southern us men to stop crossing their legs together though.

I don’t do anything to my feet beyond cutting toenails. Not my fingernails. Naturally Not my priority in life.

*Likewise my fingernails

Intellectual and artsy men or essentially the only American men that feel comfortable to cross their legs girly style. Elderly Men Also do it

r132

[quote]One of the presenters got ripped a few years ago for saying he never eats ice cream cones because 'it's kinda gay,'

Going against Big Ice Cream. Idiot.

r135

[quote]Being present at your children's birth used to be solely a woman's domain.

Well...so many faint or otherwise have be escorted out of the delivery room. Its like...

"You don't have to come in, honey... the nurse already told not to touch those...no! you can't check how dilated I am with your fingers, stay up here with me - hold my hand, don't go look...DON'T LOOK...that's just crowning, it's not Alien...honey, honey, honey...yes, of course, you can remove him.

In a lot of fishing communities in Canada, the poor kids ate lobster sandwiches for lunch and the rich kids ate peanut butter sandwiches.

Not any more, but using a French press to make coffee used to register on my gaydar.

Letting another guy put his cock in your mouth or ass.

Letting a guy suck your cock - not gay.

Flashing Gangish signs in photos

R268 manly or girly?

Years ago I was visiting my brother and his neighbour was outside playing with his son.

My brother heard the guy say, "Great catch! Come give daddy a hug. I love you little guy. Daddy loves you."

My brother's reaction? "Listen to that fucking fag! 'Daddy loves you'. What a fag."

Getting anaesthesia for stitches, somehow.

When I was a med student I had to take care of a big burly unpleasant guy who came in for a cut on his hand and wanted me to "just stitch him up, already!" and that no anaesthesia was needed because he wasn't a little girl.

Of course it started stinging when I was cleaning the wound and he wouldn't stand still. Of course I had to do a local anaesthesia to work in peace. And of course when I got the needle out the guy went all white in the face and said in a small voice "You.. you're going to give me an injection?"

Of course I enjoyed it.

With all due respect R272, your brother, whose reflections on Things That Are Gay you've previously listed at R112 and R145 has some serious issues concerning your sexuality and his own.

While I am sure they are hurtful to hear, I would not take them to be anything other than the gay-panic-induced thoughts of your brother. Other straight guys don't think that way.

R272 It is idiots like your brother that raise boys that become like the other idiots in this thread. The neighbor, however, is the kind of man that raises well adjusted men who are not insecure with their masculinity.

True bro

Which of the 8 Ivies are girly? When I was a kid, my father said Yale. Must be Brown, now.

....

R272, you should have replied "No, that's just a father who actually loves his children."

And a moment later pointed out to your brother that a man sobbing uncontrollably is gay.

[quote]I would think it's more comfortable to not cross your legs at all than to do it the "masculine" way.

Nope, in fact, I am sitting like that right now before I even read your post. I am telling you for me, the ankle on the knee is more comfortable. Sort of like sitting on the ground cross leg is more comfortable than than straight out.

Double gay, legs crossed like a woman and no socks fashion queen.

Anal is gay. Pegging is for manly men.

Just DO NOT tell your girlfriends, okay??

Exactly. Lauer sexually harassed women as a cover. He's a big flaming closet queen.

A man who was carrying a pink dog carrier has been brutally attacked in Belgrade, Serbia, after his attackers wrongly assumed he was gay.

R274 regarding the first list, I think my brother's obsession with not being publicly embarrassed was the case of that. He embarrassed himself on a daily basis but seemed to think it was others who made him look foolish.

In regards to the neighbour, there was a lot of envy in the guy having kids. My SIL convinced my brother to have a vasectomy so they never had kids and my brother resented that for years.

Basically any guy who had what he wanted but couldn't have was a fag, or queer, or a homo.

Going to the cubicle to piss is gay.

Going into the cubicle to piss is eldergay with prostate issues.

A few days ago on the thread about a plastic bag ban at Wegman's, one of our own DLers opined that carrying one's own reusable shopping bags to a store was "unmanly."

R289 That isn't necessarily about him seeing glasses as not manly or girly. I've known many men and women who just doesn't want people to see them wearing glasses.

R290 that comes down to sexual attractiveness and so it’s about gender roles

But, since both men AND woman feel it makes them unattractive, I think it is outside the boundaries of this discussion. The men aren't saying they don't want to wear them because it will make them appear girly, just that they think it will make them appear ugly.

I concur

R292 less manly. Perfect vision is virile

R294, less manly but in a woman also less alluringly feminine. Wearing glasses is one of those things people who are vain about their looks try not to do, male or female.

Wearing glasses mean you have a weakness, poor sight. Therefore less manly. FYI when the draft was in full force in the US, one of the ways you could be rejected was from really poor eyesight. Today you can join no problem for most but they still have limits regarding sight. So it's not an imagined thing when you cant join an army.

This thread inspired me as I was shopping with a friend at Walmart yesterday. We saw a guy walk by with his arms loaded with stuff, no cart, no basket. My friend said to him, "You need to get a basket!" And he grunted, "No, I got it." When he walked away my friend said, "That's silly." I helped her understand. "Not using a hand basket is manly. But if he used a basket today, he'd be sucking cock by sundown."

R287: As I sit at home recovering from surgery that removed my prostate to spare my life, I have to agree with you.

People have WAY too many hangups.

Never watch anything on Lifetime or Bravo, or your man card could be revoked

Sucking a bro's cock is just being a good friend, but telling him you care about him is totally gay.

I don't use a basket at Target because when I do I end up buying a bunch of extra shit I didn't plan on getting.

How very Martha Graham of them, R86.

I am obsessed with Chiropractic back cracking videos. There is a guy named Beau Hightower. Big dude with millennial beard. He was working on one of these powerlifter guys and was doing is arm/shoulder and he told the guy to hold on to his arm. Casually the guy said "should I hold your hand?" and he barked NO. Someone off camera asked if that was the wrong way to do it and he said "no I just don't want a guy holding my hand..: and hilarity ensued.

at that point I stopped watching - the guy is homophobic.

This thread must have certain DL folk talking to themselves because I have several Mean Girls on ignore and there are lots of gaps in the comment numbers.

Bean bag chairs

R306 umm ever been in a frat boy gamer dorm?

Apparently not

Swallowing

I used to watch Unsolved Mysteries on Lifetime years ago, R300.

Murse, man purse.

My friends say walking Fast is girly. They say men should Walk with confidence and swag but never in a rush because it communicates fear or anxiety, which no male should exude. Men take their time and own their space.

R312 true but studies show that men walk faster than women in general

Women talk faster, quicker, than men though

Guys with swagger cant walk supper fast. And doing that means they are trying extra hard to portray manliness by the way they walk.

Part of having swag is being too cool to be rushed.

R315 a couple years back I watched a douchebro taking his time crossing a street while cars blasted their horns at him. All of a sudden a bike courier comes out of nowhere, knocked him on his ass and continued onward. Sometimes walking fast is necessary.

Sometimes

You can walk fast, almost robotic Terminator/Michael Myers like, and be incredibly masculine and even scary to people

Walk with your fists at your side, no flailing of the arms, and your shoulders back and pecs puffed out and guide your movements with your torso

It's very masculine and intimidating and it makes you look like your walking fast with a purpose and you're ready to fuck somebody up

Swag? Isn't that prizes that radio stations give away to listeners?

And make sure your arms are bent at an angle, NO flailing of the arms of arms straight while walking, with your fists clench and your chest out

It's very intimidating and masculine

People mention my masculine walk to me all the time

R314: Supper always slows me down.

Mincing down the street can appear girly to many.

[quote]People mention my masculine walk to me all the time

R320 on the promenade.

Don't forget: Clear liquors are not masculine, or at least are less masculine than brown liquors (which in practice means whiskey). That's a big one.

Gin isn't manly!?

I disagree as vodka is seen as masc.

R324 is correct. Just because some of you queens, love vodka doesn't mean it's masculine. Dark Whisky, Beer, etc are a mans drink. Clear, icy, fruity, sweet, colorful drinks are for woman. Woman who drink whisky do it because the are trying to look like one of the boys smoking a cigar.

R327 I think moonshine would be an exception, it is clear but seen as masculine.

R329, sure, because it's rough and harsh in taste. It's not the color of vodka that makes it less "manly",* it's the near tasteless quality and the ease with which its alcohol flavor is disguised by mixers. Gin is similar, although it has a stronger flavor, of course.

It's all about how you drink it. A Russian guy knocking back icy straight vodka shots, one after the other, is many things, but he's not girly.

*Remember the title of the thread - this is not reality, it's perception by a certain insecure group of men. After all, James Bond famously drank vodka martinis (although, to be fair, this concept was introduced in 1954, when vodka was still somewhat exotic). Who could be more manly than James?

What about Southern Comfort or rum? They are dark, but sweet? What would people think of my drinking preferences? I prefer cider to beer, I only drink whiskey in mixed drinks, but I love Southern Comfort, rum, and moonshine straight.

James Bond was a pussy, ruining a martini with vodka.

Slovenly housekeeping: straight.

Neatness: gay.

r332 that one is pretty outdated. Lots of straight guys today are neat and care about their appearance.

Also, lots of straight guys today have no clue about how to fix things or use tools.

Real men use a gas powered leaf blower and drive the neighbourhood crazy with the racket because raking leaves is for old women.

The noisier the power tools are, the more manly. We have a neighbor like that. Diesel giant truck, compressor roaring, nail gun banging.

Don’t be so delicate r335

He's a strapping young thing... You can have him then r336 if you don't mind living in an industrial zone. It used to be peaceful here.

Straight men are fucking retarded.

Tight pants are gay, baggy pants are straight.

Wearing masks.

[quote]James Bond famously drank vodka martinis

Is this true? He's famous for saying "Stirring bruises the gin."

Things that only gay men used to do have been categorized as "manly" and "not manly" by straight guys who claim the manly things as their own and label the not manly things as gay.

[quote] R17: My bro in law is always a good example of anything Deplorable...I think having any concept of consequences, risk vs. reward, is not considered manly for some toxic reason.

People seemed to like R17, when my bro-in-law set his backyard on fire, so here’s another bro-in-law story:

My family had small boats when I was growing up. We know a bit about them. Chiefly, boating can be incredibly dangerous. If you’ve ever been trapped between a boat and the dock when a boat rises on an incoming wave, you know what I mean. Or if you’re a child who is sunburnt, exhausted, dehydrated, and stuck on a boat on a day when a storm rolls in, the temperature drops 10°f, and you’re stuck an hour from docking, you know what I mean.

30 years after our boats were all sold, I suggested to my family that we try to find a boat rental for our Summer visits. We weren’t able to find a rental, but then I hear the next year that my sister and her deplorable husband have rented a motor boat for the season. I frankly find that a bit annoying, commandeering my idea like that, but, ok, whatev The problem is that I know my bro-in-law. He has toxic masculinity, and toxic stupidity. He will die first, and he will put everybody in my family at risk, rather than ask for help with something with which he obviously needs help.

I declined an offer to come down and visit with them on a boating outage. In mean, my sister doesn’t realize as I am very discreet about it, but I won’t even get into a car if this guy is driving, I’m sure not getting on a boat he captains. I literally said a prayer for my family as I feared them all being wiped-out in a single event. That family outing came and went by uneventfully; but later, my sister casually mentions this: they had later decided to motor from Old Saybrook, CT to Orient Point, Long. Island. To do that, you have to cross “The Race”:

[italic] This huge rip is legendary for its unforgiving bottom, ferocious currents and large waves...For many reasons, anchoring in the Race is foolish and may have catastrophic results...Seasoned skippers leave their motor idling so they can quickly power up-tide before drifting into the rip-line breakers. Even on a windless day, an 18-footer is the minimum size needed to challenge the rip and handle its cresting waves as well as the wakes of large vessels. [/italic]

My sister should know better. Anyway, they take the hour long trip and get to Long Island, and the weather changes. Now, they have to return the boat rental that afternoon. They don’t want the expense of an extended rental nor the cost of docking overnight on Long Island plus the hotel stay, so they decide to take a chance and motor home. TAKE A CHANCE? My sister tells me that they almost were swamped and were lucky to make it home. They put their own lives at risk plus the lives of those on the Coast a Guard rescue ship as well, from something I could see was inevitable from my home in Boston. I didn’t need to see a weather report to know this was going to happen. And I’ll bet he never bothered to put on a life vest through the whole thing.

Smoking Parliaments.

R344 manly or girly? You have to state a category.

Girly

Any 100 ml cigarettes are girly.

[bold] Yet Another One Where The Sort Of Gay Men Who Don't Actually Know Any Straight Men Make Sweeping Hilariously Inaccurate Generalizations About Them, Said Generalizations Frequently Tinged With Sexual Undertones

Lots of these are true, if you actually know certain types of straight men. r348/YMF.

My little nephew went through an artistic phase when he was in preschool. My Dad explained to my sister, “Some boys like sports. Some boys like art.” My Dad played briefly for the Brooklyn Dodgers and I am incredibly grateful for his maturity and open mindedness, despite his generation. His own Uncle was a gay guy, and despite that, my Dad was best man at his wedding to a woman in 1930. I would have liked to quiz my Dad about how that worked, if I had known about my uncle while my Dad was still alive.

My nephew grew up to “like sports”, lol.

My bro-in-law has acne scars that suggest a rough adolescence. His own son has his skin-type in his adolescence, and I recall my sister asking her husband as to whether or not they should do anything about their son’s acne. My BIL said, “he’s fine”, and inside, I was horrified. I privately offered my sister to pay the costs to send their kid to a doctor. Which she did. The kid’s got acne scars today, but not as bad as they would have been. At least he can grow a beard to hide them.

Social media. Most of the dumb deplorable straights I know don't even have social media. To them, things like Instagram and Facebook are something their wives use to share pictures of their crotchfruit spawn with their girlfriends. Those who do have social media mostly just share and retweet things from Barstool or FOX News.

R352 yeah, when a straight man stops acting like Stifler from American Pie & starts posting non-ironically is when you know he’s really pussy-whipped.