Carly Simon Writes Book About Her Best Friend, Jackie O

The more I read about Jackie the more I dislike her. She was a strong woman

Jackie was a high-class prostitute. She used people, even Carly.

I have to say- i wasn't interested in reading this book UNTIL this article. Now I gotta get it. It sounds unintentionally DISHY.

I wonder if she included the anecdote where Jackie complains about how terrible a choice Ed Schlossberg was as a husband for Caroline. I think that was Carly's FU to Ed for the way he treated her at Jackie's funeral.

From what I have read, Carly either didn't know much or has kept it to herself.

Very little dish -- except JFK was with a mistress when Jackie gave birth to their first child (stillborn). And that Jackie said she didn't really care about all his affairs.

I bet Jackie was pretty cagey about what she told everyone.

"She was the mother I never had."

Quite a kick in the cunt to her mother, who was wont to fuck boys Carly's age in the same house as her husband and children.

I thought Carly's first memoir "Boys in the Trees" we interesting because Carly is a good writer and her own life has been interesting.

But this book seems like it is based on VERY LITTLE material. It's stretched tighter than Carly.

She could have done another biography, since Boys ends after James and her divorce. There's plenty of stuff she could write about, riding the Dynasty wave with Al Corley, Russ Kunkel, when her second husband initially mistook her for Linda Ronstadt, her comeback with Coming Around Again and winning the Oscar. Getting to know the Clintons at the time Bill was first elected. Her ordeal with breast cancer. The Jackie stuff could have been sandwiched in there.

R8 Absolutely. Fending off Bill Clinton's paws would have been a whole chapter.

The problem with the first installment was that she was protecting her children. So she didn't go into what a screaming nightmare James Taylor was.

But to come home to someone who resented you for having a hit record, but couldn't write anything good because he was so fucked up on cocaine and heroin . . . oy.

What can you say about someone who thought Onassis was the sun?

A Carly Simon memoir called "Touched by the Sun"? No thank you.

Now, if she'd written "Touched by the Son"? I would read that!

Both are insufferable and over hyped/worshipped.

Who was the "wildly attractive but unemployed writer" who turned out to be gay?

R14 Her second husband Jim Hart. He was a friend of a friend who knew he was gay and, at the time (late ‘80s/early ‘90s), a sober alcoholic. Carly and Hart met on an Amtrak train and she reportedly treated him like the hired help. He wasn’t a successful writer when they met and he was financially dependent on her.

Yes, Jim Hart was a "poet" who didn't tell Carly he was gay.

And, no, he was never "wildly" attractive.

Lots of people were “just not that into” Carly.

It's a good thing that Jackie is not alive. She'd probably thing the book was about her, about her.

I adore Carly but have no interest in her interest in Jackie O.

The most interesting thing I have ever read about Jackie O was the "Jackie on Assistance" thread here at DL and most of that was tawdry fiction.

Jackie would be LIVID that Carly wrote this book.

At least Carly didn't call Jackie out for being a whore.

Best friend Jackie ? Hardly.

I wonder if Carly was short of cash. She was crying poverty in 2010 when Starbucks pulled out of its deal with her on her Brazilian-themed album. I'm smelling big advance for spilling little to no beans. Really, though...

Two women who’s lives I care nothing about

Who is Jackie O and why is she significant or interesting?

What happens in Menemsha should stay in Menemsha.

[quote]I wonder if she included the anecdote where Jackie complains about how terrible a choice Ed Schlossberg was as a husband for Caroline.

Nobody has ever liked Ed Schlossberg. Arrogant prick.

"Wildly attractive" is wildly charitable.

[quote]Two women who’s lives I care nothing about

As much as you care about grammar, apparently.

Carly is stiill pissed about the time Jackie wouldn't lend her her EBT card.

Were they really that close? Seems like they were the kind of friends who only saw each other every once in a while.

Carly had a dynasty phase? Huh?

Anyway, what is going on with her kids? What about the son?

I've never read anything about Jackie O that made her sound like someone you'd want to know.

Maybe "You're So Vain" was ACTUALLY written about Jackie O!?

Jackie was shrewd and careful who she let in her life. You think she'd let Carly into her life, visit her homes, socialise with her, visit her on her deathbed, invite her to her funeral, if they weren't good friends? You can bet Onassis drew up a list of those allowed to see her at her time of dying and that her family adhered to it. Jackie ghosted people left right and centre for the smallest of misdemeanors, there's no way she kept Simon in her life if they weren't close.

That article has been taken out of context. Jackie used Simon to get free entertainment at Caroline's wedding? Or she merely asked her close friend to sing? Simon may have even offered. Perhaps Jackie was just doing her job, what she was told to do by Doubleday, when offering a low book deal (this was before they were friends in any case). Another writer professes that Carly took the valium because she was scared of Onassis. Carly took the valium because she's nuts, always has been. High strung neurotic bipolar.

However, one thing is for certain, if Jackie were alive, this book wouldn't exist. Jackie would have seen this book as an ultimate betrayal. I think it's a huge faux pas, a sacrilege even, to write a book about a friend who was so private, we're talking about a woman who asked her children in her will to protect her privacy even after death. I'm guessing Carly won't be getting any Christmas cards from Caroline this year.

Best friend! Huh!

OMG! Carly's husband wasn't just gay, he was a crack addict.

She sure knows how to pic 'em!

Carly's a bit of a doormat. The last third of her memoir was a tough read - still obsessively pining over her relationship with James Taylor, almost 40 years after it ended, when it was clearly a bit of a fucked-up dynamic. She became clingy and needy early on and he just started resenting her for it. You want to slap her and tell her to move on already.

Carly has only done one television interview, so far. A series of softball questions from Cynthia McFadden on TODAY.

Jackie's bizarre baseball cap with the ridiculously oversized brim in the OP's photo is kind of fascinating.

[quote] Jackie's bizarre baseball cap with the ridiculously oversized brim in the OP's photo is kind of fascinating.

Actually, the food on Jackie's paper plate with the plastic fork was interesting to me. Looks like a smashed bit of chocolate cake. Unappetizing. I wonder if she really ate it or if it was a photo prop.

[quote]However, one thing is for certain, if Jackie were alive, this book wouldn't exist. Jackie would have seen this book as an ultimate betrayal. I think it's a huge faux pas, a sacrilege even, to write a book about a friend who was so private,

Jackie's been dead for 25 years. She's no longer a contemporary figure, but an historical figure. After so much time, writing a book about someone isn't an invasion of privacy.

James Taylor divorced her because she was crazy, right?

Carly's bipolar? That's news.

There was a guy who claimed to have known her well who posted a bunch of gossip on here a few years back.

[quote] I think it's a huge faux pas, a sacrilege even, to write a book about a friend who was so private,

[bold]MARY!![/bold]

James Taylor is no prize himself. Awful man.

At the very least, Taylor seems to be a very emotionally undemonstrative person. Carly is the opposite. And of course he was a big league drug addict and she ended up in the position of trying to mother him. It seems obvious that relationship wasn't very healthy or destined to last, but she can't let it go.

She has kids with him. And he's shut her out of his life completely.

”Jackie would be LIVID that Carly wrote this book”

Oh Jackie, you’re so vain, you probably think this book is about you. Don’t you?

r40 forget the chocolate cake, check out the fraus in the background checking Jackie out. Frau alert!

Simon admitted years ago that she was bipolar then retracted it and said it was a misdiagnosis. In other words she is bipolar, got backlashed and labelled as cray cray so took it back.

r41 Bullshit, If I had a famous friend known for his/her extreme privacy who entrusted me to keep aspects of their life private, even after death, I would. Forever. Historic figure or not. It's called respect. In her will Onassis asked her children to keep her privacy in death as they had in life. Did Nancy Tuckerman or Bunny Mellon ever spill their guts? Maurice Tempelsman? No. They knew Jackie would see it as a betrayal.

Her second husband bears a remarkable resemblance of James Taylor.

I had a friend in college that was mad for her, he thought Carly Simon was hottest, sexiest woman in the world. He later became a priest.

Contacted by TODAY, Caroline refused to comment on the book.

When asked if she had contacted Caroline before writing the book, Carly told TODAY "No".

They used to attend movies together on Thursday afternoons, Jackie's day off from Doubleday.

Jackie would arrive first and wait in a ladies room stall until Carly arrived and they would then walk into the theatre together.

[quote] If I had a famous friend known for his/her extreme privacy who entrusted me to keep aspects of their life private, even after death, I would.

You're beautiful...

Alligators have scrotums?

Why would Caroline marry Schlossberg if she knew that her mother didn't like him?

I’ll never forget the time Carly told a drunk Chrissy Hynde to stfu at a concert in New York. Chrissy didn’t so Carly beat the shit out of her.

I really can't picture Carly Simon beating the shit out of anybody. Even if they threw a fishbone at her.

No, Chrissie beat the shit out of Carly.

Didn't Caroline commit the ultimate betrayal by releasing Jackie's 1964 conversations with Arthur Schlesinger, knowing that Jackie requested that they not be?

Jackie took some swipes at people on those recordings that she may have rethought later, particularly what she said about MLK.

Oh, dear!

[quote]James Taylor divorced her because she was crazy, right?

James Taylor was no picnic. An insecure addict who is moody and bears grudges for decades.

R24, since you spend most of your life on a phone, I would just Google Jackie O.

Jackie was so unattractive.

MLK, professing to be Christian and holy than thou, family values etc. attended orgies and cheated on his wife like crazy. So yes, he was a phoney.

r55 I just got it, why would I expect that anyone on datalounge wouldn't sellout a famous friend if they had one, the minute their heart stopped.

I'd sell any one of you cunts out for the price of Lean Cuisine.

[quote]Jackie would arrive first and wait in a ladies room stall until Carly arrived and they would then walk into the theatre together.

You just know she smoked a cig in there while she was waiting.

[quote]Jackie's bizarre baseball cap with the ridiculously oversized brim in the OP's photo is kind of fascinating.

She wore that to keep from being recognized on those trips to the local welfare office.

[quote]Jackie's bizarre baseball cap with the ridiculously oversized brim in the OP's photo is kind of fascinating.

WTF else do you wear on the beach?

Oh right, this is DL. A caftan with a parasol.

No way do I believe Jackie O was Carly Simon's "best friend." I think they were, at best, acquaintances. Rich people acquaintances. Carly Simon wants people to buy her shitty book, so she cooks up this story about having a "close" relationship with Jackie Kennedy Onassis in order to sell copies of it. I guess she figures any book associated with Jackie will be a bestseller. What a cuntish thing to do, using dead Jackie's name to sell books.

[quote] Alligators have scrotums?

The barstools were upholstered with whale scrotums. Not sure whether Carly or Page Six got it wrong.

I think the DL should write a biography about Jackie On Assistance. 'Touched by the Scum; Our stories of Jackie On Assistance' with a forward by the Central Park street sweeper; 'She had nowhere to shit. She didn't eat much so she'd store it up and once a week, every Thursday afternoon, she'd go to the cinema downtown and take a dump in their bathroom where no one would recognise her. Except someone did! Carly Simon saw her!'

Jackie worked in the celebrity publishing racket herself, and I doubt she'd have cared if Carly got a book out of her. And of course, someone already got a book out of Jackie's career as a book editor...

I don't get the general dislike for Jackie on here. Usually we'd revere a bitch.

It's all said with love.

Carly Simon seems like a brownnoser who sucks up to power.. I remember her claiming in the 90s to be friends with the Clinton's too.

I think she's nuts.

R75, More than one someone.

They wrote about her professional life as an editor, not her private life. And they were distant colleagues not intimate friends. See the difference?

[quote]If I had a famous friend known for his/her extreme privacy who entrusted me to keep aspects of their life private, even after death, I would. Forever. Historic figure or not. It's called respect.

Reviewers are saying that Jackie did not seem to treat Carly well and used her.

I wonder if, on some level, Carly knew this, and the book is payback.

[quote]Carly Simon seems like a brownnoser who sucks up to power.. I remember her claiming in the 90s to be friends with the Clinton's too.

She was friends with the Clintons. And Jackie gave her shit about it because she thought they were tacky.

r83 Jackie strikes me as terribly passive aggressive. Being nice to people's faces and bitching about them behind their back. She had the Ciintons to her Martha's Vineyard home and on Maurice's yacht and invited Hillary to the ballet a few months before she died. And yet she talked rubbish to Carly about them!

People here say Jackie is irrelevant, she died 25 years ago, she doesn't matter. No one knows who she is. And yet there's a thread about her almost weekly on DataLounge.

R85 Well, in fairness, there is also a thread on Judy Garland every 30 seconds. And hardly anyone outside of Datalounge thinks about her either.

Jackie was arguably the most famous woman on the planet during much of her adult life.

Numerous books about her have been published since her death in 1994.

Like her or not, she is an iconic historical figure.

[quote] Carly Simon seems like a brownnoser who sucks up to power..

You rang?

[quote]Carly Simon seems like a brownnoser who sucks up to power.

That is such a stupid thing to say.

Carly Simon was born to a very wealthy family. She was highly accomplished and very famous in her own right.

Jackie Kennedy just married well and was, basically, a prostitute who wore clothes well.

I also don’t think we should do threads on old time people who have died and old ladies no one knows about. Leave them in the past and concentrate on people who are famous right now.

Carly invited Bill Clinton to her home on Martha’s Vinyard several times. He went every time.

R89, you do need to google the Bouviers, darling. Jackie was expected to marry well. It's what debutantes do. They are not prostitutes, but groomed as consorts and hostesses for their uber rich and powerful husbands. This was how it was done.

The kartrashians are prostitutes. The debutantes were/are reserved for their class of men and groomed from birth. The other lot are grifters looking for dollars and nothing else.

[quote]I also don’t think we should do threads on old time people who have died and old ladies no one knows about. Leave them in the past and concentrate on people who are famous right now.

Like the Kardashians? Or the Jenners?

HARD PASS.

'I also don’t think we should do threads on old time people who have died and old ladies no one knows about. Leave them in the past and concentrate on people who are famous right now.'

How about you don't click on threads you don't like the topic of? Simple basic logic. Like when the teacher tells you in kindergarten that if you don't like someone, don't play with them.

Carly Simon is famous now because she’s breathing you amoeba!

I had a female high-school classmate who was groomed to marry well. While the rest of us went to state colleges, she enrolled in a hotsy totsy girls college in the suburbs. Tried the East Coast and the West Coast and finally married a fellow Midwesterner. Oodles of money, but no decent relationship. Bogged down in divorce court until a settlement is reached. Not worth it.

R96 hère. Forgot to add: Carly has sunk very low in my opinion.

[quote]People here say Jackie is irrelevant, she died 25 years ago, she doesn't matter. No one knows who she is. And yet there's a thread about her almost weekly on DataLounge.

There are approximately 42 ancient gay white men who keep Datalounge busy. They repeat the same obsolete obsessions in a relentless loop.

[quote]Jackie was expected to marry well. It's what debutantes do. They are not prostitutes, but groomed as consorts and hostesses for their uber rich and powerful husbands. This was how it was done. The kartrashians are prostitutes. The debutantes were/are reserved for their class of men and groomed from birth. The other lot are grifters looking for dollars and nothing else.

Classic example of making a distinction without a difference.

r98 Ancient gay men can' t operate computers.

And yet you do R99.

fuck me dead r100, you're psychic! You know how old I am!

There are only 42 ancient white men here ??? geez

The difference between the Kardashians and Jackie isn't being whores: It' s being interesting for a few minutes.

Didn't Jackie give that 8 hour interview to Schlesinger in order to set the record straight and in a way go after people who didn't serve her husband well? Why wouldn't she not want that released, of course Caroline was doing what her mother wanted. Jackie was a very passive aggressive woman.

Jackie did NOT want the Schlesinger interview released until 100 years after the interview or after her death. She didn't want people who knew any of the people she mentioned to hear what she had to say, like Martin Luther King's family. Had Caroline obeyed Jackie's wishes, everyone who ever knew MLK would have been dead upon release of the tapes.

R105 Who gives a fuck?

Let the truth out!

Diane Sawyer and Caroline discussed it in an interview 5-6 years ago when the tapes were released. The truth is out!

Those tapes had historical importance. It was good of Caroline to release them.

BTW, Jackie was drunk as shit when she did those interviews.

Yes R103. The Kardashians have been top rated for a decade. They interest the majority of Americans. Kim has 50m twitter fans and 150 million Instagram followers. Jackie was not a loved first lady - but she is admired for planning a good funeral. Bitch was too cold and weird. And then she went off the rails for cash. All this secrecy about how dull and proper and cold and controlling she was. Let your grievances out girl. Jackie was a sign of the time in fashion only. Otherwise she might have been in French court.

MLK having orgies doesn't detract from his seismic change of history. His profound leadership. His message of change and dignity. He will be written about long after pill box whores and absent husband presidents are forgotten. Orgies are peaceful. MLK promoted progress with peace. JFK was a diseased bug eyed whore who almost destroyed the western world. A man who summoned women to rape or to service him. Or to kiss. He was famously short on fucking. Not much there and he didn't last long. His presidency was fake news and he accomplished nothing progressive. He had ideas. The oldest of contributors here believe in his legacy. He wasn't evil? He sure was dirty. A white catholic sex addicted kind of dirty. Jackie was probably not very happy. Pathologically greedy courtesans don't always get to have happiness too.

Kim Kardashian is richer than Jackie could imagine. And she's happy. Her children are healthy and she's beautiful. Her husband is faithful. At almost 40, she is trying to better herself.

Comparing Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis to the Kardashians is ludicrous.

The shallow Kardashians are pure filth and an example of how we as a society have sunk to an all-time low.

"The Kardashians have been top rated for a decade. They interest the majority of Americans."

Seriously?

Kim also married a severely mentally ill megalomaniac and knowingly had several children wirh him. A true role model for women everywhere.

All 8 hours of her talk with Schlesinger, she knows a lot of details.

I have never known anyone who likes or follows the Kardashians. Their fan base is a mystery to me.

r109 is why we have someone like Trump in the White House and why America's future is doomed.

History is kind of fluid dude. I've read it and watched it and try to understand it. Jackie and Jack Kennedy reached incredible heights of power and were both people of accomplishment. But to suggest that Jackie Kennedy was loved by a country is ludicrous. She was a cold weird woman, even when she whispered and toured the White House. Nervous and snobbish. She was a famous fashion plate at one of the least attractive times in history. Made her look 20 years older. Then we learn from action and word that she was a greedy, graspy unhappy woman who held everyone to standards of secrecy that allowed for no intimacy....even for her own children. She crippled them. I was born two decades after JFK died, so we didn't all cry at our desks about him in 1995. He was a deeply flawed president with a wife who is not remembered for anything really other than the tragedy. Who killed him and why everyone lied so much was more of interest at that time. They were all a boring bunch of cheap men who treated their women and minorities like chess pieces. They had too much vision to be trashy. Like the Kardashians. Kim is so beautiful and perfected - Jackie would be jealous. Jackie Kennedy participated in far more sexually scandalous activities than a porn tape. She's lucky that only her wall eyed stupidity and bitchy frau comments are on record.

Kim K is turning out to be a right interesting woman. She's not made of sugar water at all. Jackie loved being a celebrity. Who thinks otherwise.

Jackie was a lot less interesting than her historical importance, her celebrity and her aura. That she was not interesting but such as star, made her ironically somewhat interesting.

[quote]People here say Jackie is irrelevant, she died 25 years ago, she doesn't matter. No one knows who she is. And yet there's a thread about her almost weekly on DataLounge.

Can there be any greater proof of irrelevance?

She wasn't entirely wrong about MLK.

Who knew?

“Carly Simon; we keep her away from John John’s John. Otherwise, she’s amusing with crudités. “

R118, Not knowing what Jackie had said to Schlesinger about her husband, Coretta Scott King requested that Jackie attend his funeral, through Bobby.

Running for POTUS, Bobby knew Jackie's presence would be a plus, so he asked Jackie to attend and she agreed, even agreeing to walking in the procession.

r115 sounds like a lunatic.

R109 & R115 = Kris Jenner

R109 & R115 speaks the silky truth! Admiring Kim Kardashian or Jackie Kennedy is basically the same practice. Except that Kim is prettier and kinder. Not racist and richer.

R124, Kim is racist. She won't fuck white guys.

[quote]Kim is racist. She won't fuck white guys.

Kim has good taste and eyesight.

Who would buy this? And why was Ed Schlossthing mean to Carly at Jackie's funeral?

r127 Simon placed the lyrics to a song she'd written about Jackie on/in her casket. Ed cracked the shits and said it was just for family, which I understand, but perhaps he was rude about it. Has anyone ever heard a good word about Ed?

R128 Nope

This thread is about Carly and Jackie, why are we discussing prostitute Kim Kardashian?

R109 = r115 = r124 = Krazy Kardashian = Kanye?

Kim Kardashian's sublime tour of her White House.

She has completely dropped her vocal fry! Maybe this competes with Jackie's whispercoo WH Tour. Unfortunately, Kim can't do this in Armenian. Point, Jackie.

Look me up, R98. I'm no ancient old white man, but you quoted me.

I'm also not ancient, but I do remember Jackie. Now do admit you're wrong, darling, and stop with the policing of threads we like to participate in, m'ok?

As for your assertion that there is no difference? There is, but I won't bother to explain it to you any further. You clearly do not have the ability to comprehend the difference between a old fashioned debutante and a currently grifting whore.

Oh dear, someone comparing a life of substance to a grifting, plastic whore and then claiming those who admire them are doing the same thing?

I think not, dear. One had her own career and did not need a piss tape before she became famous. Jackie also did not resort to constant appeals to the press to maintain her fame. She didn't bare her ass on a magazine, she edited them.

No comparisons between the two are appropriate and Jackie stands on her own. I'll give Kim credit for making money on her assets. That's pretty much it. Her advocacy around criminal reform may be genuine and good for her, but it's an effort that other, less infamous men and women laid the groundwork for. She's just on another bandwagon.

[quote]Kim K is turning out to be a right interesting woman. She's not made of sugar water at all.

No, she's made of silicone.

Carly is so pretty and vibrant in this clip.

Carly has a fun Instagram feed. “I read that shit you wrote about me.”

R137 I used to read the "Carly Simon Board" back in AOL's heyday.

Carly used to post quite a bit. She was witty and surprisingly candid.

People were posting that John Travolta was gay. Carly responded, "Not gay. I know firsthand."

So Travolta apparently slept with Carly. She was probably the last woman he slept with.

That doesn’t count. You’d fuck Carly Simon, too. We all would.

I wish Carly and James had done "A Star is Born" (as originally planned) instead of Streisand, whose music was all wrong for the story.

But, apparently, Carly felt that it hit too close to home, as they were offered at a time when James was very resentful of Carly having several songs charting.

There are similarities between Jackie O/Lee Radziwill and the Kardashian sisters. Both families of sisters were raised to be attractive to men (as one of the primary goals in life). The Kardashian women make their own money, though. (Not a Kardashians fan, but credit where it's due.)

I might flash my pussy on Thanksgiving!

Hmmm...turkey curtains.

I just met Carly briefly at a book signing. She was very pretty and very gracious. I melted when she flashed me that big Carly Simon smile!

More than halfway through the audiobook. Thoughts so far:

- Carly is a total fruitcake. I didnt have too much of an opinion of her before this book other than I like some of her music. But now I think she is needy, insecure, juvenile, makes bad decisions and is snobby.

- Jackie is shady as heck. Some of the things she says are funny but overall she strikes me as a senior citizen version of Regina George. Seems to be one of those women who cant really be friends with other women and sees them mostly as competition.

- Carly and Jackie both put Mike Nichols on a pedestal and compete for his approval. And they both seem to dislike / keeps at arms length Diane Sawyer mainly because she is married to him and they see her as a threat.

Overall, it just seems like the people they hung out with are rich people high school. Lots of shading and gossip, I’d avoid this crew like the plague if I knew them.

Carly can be very amusing. I remember, 20 years ago, long before Trump was president, Carly rolling her eyes at Marla Maples and saying, "Imagine being her, and having to crawl under THAT!"

I remember eating bens ass.

Who the hell is Regina George? Some broad from when they wrote with feathers?

Regina George is well after your time R148.

Regina George

Oh dear. Regina George is the head bitch in a movie called Mean Girls. A MODERN movie.

[quote]Jackie was a lot less interesting than her historical importance, her celebrity and her aura. That she was not interesting but such as star, made her ironically somewhat interesting

She never gave an interview after the assassination. She never posed for any professional pictures or anything. That distance led to an intense fascination of her by the public. It's similar to Garbo.

[quote]20 years ago, long before Trump was president

Thanks for the clarification, Captain Obvious.

R152, She posed for Alfred Eisenstaedt in 1977.

[quote] She never gave an interview after the assassination.

Arthur Schlesinger.

[quote]You’d fuck Carly Simon, too. We all would.

Speak for yourself, freak.

I completely forgot that I preordered the Audible version! What a delightful surprise to find this trash loaded on my phone as I was driving to Michigan today. I actually gasped when the announcer said it would be read by Elizabeth McGovern! I thought he said Elizabeth Montgomery..reading from beyond the grave. Which I felt completely appropriate. But was absolutely NOT disappointed to hear Elizabeth McGovern having fun with Carly's neuroses and Jackie's whispers.

It is a MUST listen for all Dataloungers. I want a book club devoted exclusively to this. Like Proust...but without the depth or artistry. It's perfect!

What?! No bubbles for your bath?!

R153 Kindly, insert your tongue into a dead rat's anus. Thanks in advance!

R159, Must it be deceased?

R160 I believe I was rather clear about what is required.

I read her second husband's book. Replete with resounding Mike Nichols namedrops. Thinks he looks like James Taylor. Boring.

R162 I can't imagine that a homosexual who marries Carly Simon to become a crackhead has the introspection to be interesting.

UGLEE!

Amazed to see O with a full plate of food!

[quote]Amazed to see O with a full plate of food!

Bitch always had a full plate. Because she never ate from it. -

[quote] I also don’t think we should do threads on old time people who have died and old ladies no one knows about. Leave them in the past and concentrate on people who are famous right now.

We'll do exactly what we feel like doing.

But thanks for your opinion. It matters to me.

[quote]I also don’t think we should do threads on old time people who have died and old ladies no one knows about. Leave them in the past and concentrate on people who are famous right now.

The opinions of stupid people are so darling!

Carly has two seemingly well adjusted kids, so I highly doubt she's THAT kooky.

She also posts pics of her house on Instagram, and it's very warm and inviting. Unlike a lot of celebrity homes, it truly looks homey.

[quote]Carly has two seemingly well adjusted kids

Her son is a 40-something drug-addict who still lives with Mommy.

Her daughter is a cunt who extorts visitation to Carly's grandchild for cash.

So, no, her kids are not well adjusted.

Just listened to the first 6 chapters on Audible as I drove from Chicago to Michigan and back. Stop whatever you're doing and listen to this goddamn book! Elizabeth McGovern should win the Nobel Prize for narration. Chapter 3 focuses on Mike Nichols and Carly's and Jackie's seething jealousy of Diane Sawyer. It is delicious! Then in Chapter 5 (I think--I lost count) she strongly suggests that Nichols and her last husband were lovers.

'Amazed to see O with a full plate of food!'

Not the same O I know then

I always remember that photo of Mike Nichols lighting Jackie's cigarette in a cafe. When Diane Sawyer did that interview with Caitlyn as she transitioned, she mentioned Caitlyn's smoking and how much she hated cigarettes. My first thought was, yeah bitch, I bet you do.

Yet, Diane became a close friend of JFK, Jr.

She and Mike were invited to his memorial service.

Jackie On Assistance, Jackie On Assitance, wherefore art thou, Jackie On Assitance?

Is it true Mike Nichols had absolutely no body hair and was totally bald and wore a toupee and glued fake eyebrows on every day?

Mike Nichols and Diane Sawyer lived, and Diane still lives, right next to Jackie at 1030 Fifth.

Carly Simon always enjoyed flashing her pussy.

"Weren't you once engaged to someone really big? Was it Carly Simon? Yeah, someone cool like that."

"Harry was once engaged to Diane Sawyer."

[quote]Is it true Mike Nichols had absolutely no body hair and was totally bald and wore a toupee and glued fake eyebrows on every day?

Yes. I forget the name of the condition he had.

Alopecia

[quote]Carly Simon always enjoyed flashing her pussy.

She was uninhibited, but I remember her saying how angry she was at John Belushi one night. He picked her up at a party and slung her over his shoulders. Her skirt rode up and she wasn't wearing any panties. He thought it was hilarious that he was showing everyone at the party Carly Simon's pussy.

She felt humiliated. I would have been grateful to her had she taken a gun from her purse and killed him that night.

John Belushi was a pig. He would never be revered as a comic genius in today's world.

Carly Simon comes off like an idiot. What would possess you to ask Jackie Onassis if she intended to see "JFK"? It undoubtedly was the most traumatic experience of her life, and an experience she was reminded of for the rest of her life. Simon knew she was a famously reserved woman who obsessively guarded her privacy. If Simon had half a brain, she should have realized that Jackie O would never talk about the assassination or Stone's film, unless she herself raised the subject.

Simon's a nitwit!

John Belushi was really big with 13 year old boys who would consciously suck air into their rectums just so they could have a loudest fart contest. THEY were his base.

Yes, r185. Belushi was like a god to the most immature, douchebag types of straight boys. Everybody else just thought he was an asshole.

Yes but all the hip celebrities of the day hung with Belushi. I was around then and I never found him funny, just a lot of yelling and mugging.

A young Suze Orman was close friends with John Belushi.

R98 goes for a two-fer! Ageist AND racist.

[quote]Carly Simon comes off like an idiot. What would possess you to ask Jackie Onassis if she intended to see "JFK"?

It was a nervous reaction to knowing she couldn't mention it, and to spending all day avoiding it. Carly KNOWS it was wrong. She knew it the second she said it.

You are the one too stupid to get it.

DL has opened my eyes about Jackie O.

Did Jackie ever notice that Carly was trying to seduce John-John?

Even Ethel was trying to seduce John-John.

Who's so vain now?

“Jackie! You have so much soul. More soul than Aretha!”

[quote] You are the one too stupid to get it.

Uh, no I'm not, R190. Nervous or not, Carly Simon comes across as a woman with little tact. You come across as someone with little wit.

It has been noted here on DL that Carly has no filter. So of course she'd blurt out something about the film. And frankly, Jackie was a big girl, she surely could handle it.

I’ll never forget the night Carly beat the shit out of me.

Jackie suspected James Hart was gay before he came out to Carly.

When Lee became engaged to Herbert Ross, Jackie wondered to friends why her sister was marrying a homosexual.

That's interesting that Carly thinks her husband had an affair with Mike Nicols.

I wonder if Jackie had heard stories of Carly's husband in the dunes.

Or did he just remind her of Lem Billings?

[quote]Jackie wondered to friends why her sister was marrying a homosexual.

For the same reason$$$$ one marries a Greek dwarf who collaborates with and befriends the fascist colonels who imprison, torture, and kill their political opposition.

[quote]Jackie wondered to friends why her sister was marrying a homosexual.

So they don't knock on your door at night after you've taken off your makeup and removed your dentures.

Lee was no spring chicken and her options for marrying for $$$$ weren't what they used to be. Enter Herbert Ross. He would just have to do.

Carly loves to suck Ben off!

R202, Was Herbert Ross a wealthy man?

R205 = Jackie, pissed off about the book, and posting from the grave.

He wasn't mega-wealthy, but he did alright. As I said, Lee was aging and didn't have a lot of options.

In 1999 Jerry Seinfeld offered Herbert Ross $19 million for his East Hampton estate. Ross didn't sell to Seinfeld, but two years later he got $19 million from another buyer.

R209 I wouldn't want Jerry Seinfeld using my toilets either.

Kim Kardashian brought JBKOs watch for $350K dollars at auction.

So there's definitely a link between the two women.

Kim K is a good person AND a goddess. Jackie O was the real nasty whore. She charged for sexual services, and everything else.

So, Simon flatly stated that John Travolta isn't gay and can "prove it." Then, to her surprise, her 2nd husband turned out to be gay.

I'd say her credibility and strai-dar is in question as to who is or isn't gay.

[quote]Kim is so beautiful and perfected - Jackie would be jealous.

Riiiight.

[quote]Kim K is a good person AND a goddess.

She is a piss whore.

And people who admire her are vacuous trash.

Jackie was not pleased when JFK, Jr. briefly dated Madonna.

She would look upon the Kardashians as refuse.

I want to know more about Carly’s crazy kids.

Sally is normal Ben is normal except he has sex with Carly.

[quote]Sally is normal

Yes, if you are used to unpleasant, entitled people.

I've met her several times. While Carly is charming, Sally is a cunt.

And she did hold her child ransom to extort money from Carly. Nasty.

We’ll do you think it’s normal for a mother to suck her sons cock, feet and rim his asshole?

Yes I do

Wow, R220. Can you provide some proof without revealing your identity?

Fun Fact: Carly mentions in her book that Lillian Hellman and John Belushi are buried almost next to each other.

Both of Carly's children are parasites, sponging off of her while trying to eke out a living strumming a guitar and knitting $600 sweaters. They guilt her into taking care of them, as their father can't really be bothered; his new family is his focus now. And yes, at one time Sally and her equally-parasitic husband left the island for Boston, pissed that Carly wouldn't deed them some of her property. She was refused visits with her grandson for two years, until they finally reconciled (no doubt they needed $omething from her, and she agreed, in order to see the little boy). Sally is a cunt and apparently married to another cunt of equal or greater size.

When Carly goes, they'll go through whatever money they get faster than water through a sieve. James won't leave them anything, it'll all go to his wife and their children. Ben will end up homeless on the island, if he doesn't O.D., and Sally's husband will divorce her, after they run through the money.

r224 This sounds like a musical waiting to happen! Maybe we can get Lucy Simon to do the music!

Who is gonna suck Ben when Carly dies?

R219 How exactly a cunt? Was she rude or dismissive to you? Did she give you the stink eye? I demand details.

R224, The royalties from Carly's music will keep at least some money coming in for years.

Carly should "pull a Jackie" and name the grandchild as the main heir in her will.

Put Carly's mouth on Jackie's face and you've found Alice The Goon. They were both hideous looking snobs. Nobody but old fashioned journalists and fags ever called Jackie beautiful. Carly Simon just gives off weird carnal energy. She's an ugly woman.

r228, while the royalties will keep coming for years, how much could it be? Her fans are getting older and dying off. No one under 50 has any idea who she is, aside from "You're So Vain", which they might have knowledge of but couldn't recognize if they heard it. I doubt she's as rich as most people think. She lost millions to Kenneth Starr's crimes. She has sold off part of her Vineyard property recently, which she's owned for nearly 50 years. I think writing the books is more for the income than anything else. She can't sing anymore, and even if she could she wouldn't tour. The two kids make leeches look downright independent. I would love it if she left her estate, rights, etc to the grandson, IN TRUST! Just to be sure the two-legged barnacles don't get their clutches on it.

I know Sally. Not well. Because I wouldn't want to.

I am casual friends with Carly. Yes, Carly is neurotic, but she is very bright and witty. I love talking to her. She is funny and deliciously snide.

Sally is another matter. She inherited none of her mother's charm. wit, or talent. She is very spoiled, entitled and boring.

Even Carly knows Sally is unpleasant, but she loves her as only a mother can.

Ben and Sally are both very attractive. They are getting up there in years.

Ben was attractive in his 20's. But the years have not been kind to him. It's rumored he has drug problems, which are most likely the reason why he looks older than his year. James and Carly have both aged quite nicely.

Carly was performing a couple of years back, doing some shows. But she wouldn't do anything unless Ben and Sally were with her. That seems to be a requisite to get her to perform at all now.

I suppose they are attractive, if you go for drug addicted hobos and cunts.

At this Barnes & Noble appearance last week, Carly appeared frail and unsteady.

Too bad she went the cosmetic surgery route.

Carly never toured during her prime money-making years, which was a mistake. She could've made BIG $$$ from touring back then.

"Carly Simon has devised ingenious ways of dealing with performance panic. Suffering from palpitations in Pittsburgh, she invited spectators to join her on stage. Fifty people came up and massaged her arms and legs. Discovering that physical pain helps overpower fear, she wore tight boots or stabbed her hands with pins. Anxious at following Smokey Robinson at a celebration for Bill Clinton, she appealed to the horn section of the orchestra. 'They all took turns spanking me. During the last spank the curtain went up. The audience saw the aftermath, the sting on my face. I bet Olivier didn’t do that.'"

Too bad the ugly old bitch can't sing. Carly Simon will be remembered for nothing. Nutsy neurotic rich girl who dabbled in music and stealing men. There's good reason why James Taylor doesn't deal with her. His problems were fixable. He fixed them and found happiness and further success. She's still snide BABY hiding behind gross surgery and sunglasses at 80 years old? What an asshole. Terrible mother. Weird and bad singer. All that langor and no real chops. Ancient gays liked her formless songs and virtually toneless voice. She's nebulous. A word she would use in one of her dumb pretentious lyrics.

She looks weirdly similar to Courtney Love

R239 did you have sex with your parents?

r239 is Warren Beatty

There are a LOT of people in a very bitchy mood tonight on DL. No Halloween dates?

Carly isn’t 80

'Carly should "pull a Jackie" and name the grandchild as the main heir in her will.'

What rubbish. Jackie did no such thing. Her will is open fodder published online, look it up

Shut ins don’t celebrate Halloween

r235 there's only queens and old women in that audience, which equates to the same.

I think if there’s one thing Carly had in her prime, it’s incredible vibrancy. Even in still photos back in the day, she was so animated always. And yes, sexy. There was such a physicality to her. That body, hair, teeth - what Tom Wolfe would have called “rude animal health.” She must have been wild in bed.

She deep throats Ben

oh just fuck off about the Ben sex jokes or give some kind of evidence to prove it

Carly is very ill/frail in that video. What is wrong with her? Has Jackie sent her the Kennedy Curse from beyond the grave as revenge f-or writing about her?

I wonder if she had a stroke?

Carly and Jackie bonded over their facial deformities. Jackie's far apart eyes and Carly's huge mouth.

Freaks.

She's 74. Of course she's going to look like an old lady, because she is.

74 is not an old lady today. 74 year olds are still going to work and the gym or travelling the world or going back to school. Carly is a shaky mess of an old fragile woman. She lived some good times when she was in her twenties and thirties. That's why the ancient white gays love her. Her music is pretty bad. B L A N D. She was ugly but sexy young woman - so there's your other reason for the old gay man respect. They relive the memories of out of their league dick they scored. Keeps y'all warm at night. Name one good song by Carly Simon where she sings well? You can't. She was a messy broad with a sloppy mouth. She might have built her legacy on something else. She never aspired to musical greatness. She was and remains a dilettante. Bad singer too. She doesn't belong in the same conversation as the good female singer songwriter stars of her time. Inky dinky spider girl.

Why is a washed up adult contemporary singer from the 70s writing a book about anything in 2019?

Because aging retired Boomers have lots of time and money to buy and read books by aging Boomer celebrities.

Good answer R258. But Carly Simon is not a celebrity.

R230

[quote] She lost millions to Kenneth Starr's crimes.

Explain, please.

[quote]74 is not an old lady today. 74 year olds are still going to work and the gym or travelling the world or going back to school.

74 is still 74 on the inside, no matter how good the outside may look. People in their 70s still have health problems.

And Jesus, you seem bizarrely invested in your hate of Carly Simon. She wasn't too bad in her prime.

R235 She looks so ridiculous in those sunglasses.

[quote]Too bad the ugly old bitch can't sing. Carly Simon will be remembered for nothing.

Oh, fuck you, you worthless fucking cunt. Carly Simon was extremely talented and sung some incredible songs that have remained with us forever.

Kenneth Ira Starr stole tens of millions of dollars from wealthy and celebrity clients. He promised Carly 28% returns. He had several big name, big money clients allege that he was a crook, but Carly kept her money with him until the end and lost it. He was a nobody until he befriended Bunny Mellon's husband.

What's a BabePaley? It's an old clinging bitch datalounge poster from the past who chose a permanently STUPID name to sign under. Old fags who keep using the word cunt on this site are giving me forehead lines. You're all the creme de la racist cream. So old and threatened. With no marriage or children to keep you on shore. Wade out with stones in your pockets. R263 is devoid of open eyes and objectivity. Everything I bet y'all swore you'd never be when you still got dick in your holes. You're not iconoclastic or radical or contributory at all. Worse than your parents or grandparents. So many ancient white gay men have never known love at all. That is tragic. But it's not too late to reevaluate the things you thought were substantial or worthwhile. You, old man who signs as Babe Paley, could still be something better than the shit you admire. Stand for something and show up for someone. I'm sorry for your sadness. Many old icons shine brighter than ever. But those who never should have been, can't fool anyone now. Carly Simon shouldn't even had a record deal. That's right, she doesn't. The bitch can't sing. And her songs were formless. And her style was wet and weird and unemotional. And she is a voice without any discernible tone. It's so nebulous as to be indescribable. Don't call good men or any woman a C*nt. It reveals your anger and exposes your forgotten ass Babe Paley.

How sad that you care about these women and their standard. Fly your own flag BabePaley. You ain't no WOMAN. And your taste and nom are antiquated as fuck. Jackie O Whore and Carly Simone Beauvoir. Y'all crazy ass old queen. Don't call me or anyone else a *cunt* though. Fair warning. We're about to have you banned from nonsense. You're a queer old man.

^^CRAY-CRAY!

R265 didn't get any candy, just rocks.

R265 is a babe. Boats against the current. Gotta love it.

Cray - Cray was last in popular use in 2oo9. Thanks for your quick response R266.

Writing it as 2oo9 is a sure sign off crazy.

I bet R265 wears a ring on every finger.

[quote]Writing it as 2oo9 is a sure sign off crazy.

I didn't want to be too mean. You're overly sensitive R270. Sorry that I called out your age.

[quote]I bet [R265] wears a ring on every finger.

I wear my wedding ring. September, 2009. And a watch. What man would wear a ring on every finger R271?

R265 You have these assholes number. You said a mouthful.

Good for you.

cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt

The song really was about R239!

R273, congratulating yourself is sign you need psychiatric help.

^is a sign*

Carly refused to show r265 her pussy.

Tl;dr.

More substantiating evidence over the incest claims, please.

For some reason I always thought Carly Simon's best friend was David Geffen.

R281, No, that's Cher.

I went down a rabbit hole the other day, searched out every DL Carly thread and read them all. I don’t know why, but I find the subject vastly entertaining.

Carly Simon went down a rabbit hole one day in 1972. She later wrote a song called Rabbit Hole. For years she has refused to identify the rabbit or the hole. What a mysterious genius she is.

The thing I like about the Carly Simon threads is that she is the one celebrity where people who know her will always post.

He is an odd person and they always know interesting things.

She’s my all time fave singer. I’m 42 yrs old.

Her next book has been announced:

Touched by the Son: My Friendship with Ben

I wonder if she finger bangs herself when she sucks Ben?

Yes, and he sings 'Touched By Your Son' as she does it

Carly does a good cover of Don’t Let the Son Go Down on Me

Haven't got time for the pain...

Carly's best cover was "I Get Along Without You Very Well."

I like her version of “Do You Eat Ass”.

I’ve started reading Jim Hart’s memoir. Skipping over the chapters about his early Catholic life, who cares. I just want to read about him meeting Carly and suddenly finding himself, an insurance salesman, amongst the beautiful people. Must have been heady stuff, I love Cinderella stories.

Did she fuck a lot of guys?

What a delightfully bitchy and entertaining thread this was, even the weirdo at r265 et al. Very old school DL.

R295 Yes.

Carly's first memoir was pretty interesting. She complained that she was "treated like a piece of meat" in LA and passed around by the Warren Beatty Jack Nicholson set.

In the book she seems to sleep with all the men in her life, except her dad.

But she also talks about a sexual relationship he had with an older male that started when she was 8. She doesn't seem to regard it as abuse, but she shows the signs of someone who was abused.

R294 does he admit to having an affair with Mike Nichols, as Carly implies in her book?

R298 I’ve been skimming it superficially. He does talk about Mike affectionately, and how they enjoyed each other’s company chatting at parties. No admission, unless I missed something.

Oh, he says at one point Mike called Carly and told her that he, Jim, was “handsome and gifted.”

Does she discuss the size of her son’s cock?

R300, Yes, on page 69.

Who is "You're So Vain" about?

Supposedly, Warren Beatty.

Thanks, r303. According to Wikipedia, Simon has confirmed that YSV is partly about Beatty and 2 other men.

r304 and one vain woman who wore enormous sunglasses

R304, Hasn't Mick Jagger long been suspected?

I'd have to re-read the Wikipedia article to confirm, r306, but iirc, Simon ruled him out. It would, of course, be the ultimate inside joke if it were about Jagger given that he sings back-up o YSV.

Speaking of Jagger singing back-up on YSV, I love the song and always have and whenever I heard the background vocals, something always seemed familiar to me but I never could identify it. Then when it was pointed out to me about 15 years ago that it was Jagger's distinctive sound I was hearing, now, his voice is the ONLY thing I hear on the background vocals.

R304, Given the dozens of famous women Warren Beatty has slept with over the years, why has there never been a detailed description of his genitals?

Joan Collins has written of his being voracious and insatiable, but no size verification.

For many years the rumor about You're So Vain was that it was about Warren Beatty or Mick Jagger or Hugh Hefner.

I served the Simon/Taylor clan a lot in the '80's. JT looked like a derelict, the kids were nuts on their own, but stiff around their parents, and Carly had the widest mouth I've ever seen.

During a bout of insomnia the other night, I scrolled through Carly’s entire Instagram feed. It was enjoyable. She likes to post selfies, which is brave at her age, I couldn’t do it.

James has a pleasant feed also. Lots of photos of him cooking and doing woodwork. They don’t follow each other, obviously.

R310, Excuse me?

"During a bout of insomnia the other night, I scrolled through Carly’s entire Instagram feed."

There were no other options?

I love the story that, when Sally got married at James' house, James refused to let Carly enter the home. When she said she needed to use the bathroom, she was directed to the port-a-potty!

James’ hatred is curious. Jim Hart, in his book, paints a picture of Carly as the nicest, most understanding person ever, despite being neurotic. She certainly put up with a lot from both of them.

Carly overshares. And James resents that. He doesn't like her talking about him.

He is a very cold control freak.

Carly has stated that "You're So Vain," is about David Geffen. Google that last sentence. Bitch has changed her tune [no pun intended]. She *did* say it was about Geffen. But rarely will a songwriter or author nail a single individual when they pen a story/song/novel. I can say that I'd be the farm that the line, "your scarf it was apricot," is a reference to Mick Jagger's stage outfits New York 1972. Her brother Peter took a pic of Carly that's labelled as Carly at a rock and roll concert. I swear it was at one of their July 1972 shows at Madison Square Garden.

Accusing David Geffen of being with the "wife" of a close friend doesn't seem to fit. At all.

Carly has said that she really resented Warren Beatty treating her "like a piece of meat" and who is more vain than Beatty?

James Taylor is just an absolute asshole, from everything I've heard about him.

While it was no secret that both Carly & James were not faithful to one another, Carly was more honest about it, and still wanted her marriage to work. She seemed more "open" than he was; the type that had no issue with her husband having the occasional fling--he was a good-looking music star, although balding as the years went on.

He, on the other hand, seems the type to want to have his cake and eat it too. But YOU can only have one piece, and it was named James.

R314 Did James personally bar Carly from the house? I imagine his wife giving strict instructions to staff beforehand: "Under no circumstances is Carly Simon to enter this house. Understood?"

r321, Carly mentioned the denial of bathroom use at the 2004 wedding during a Howard Stern interview. That was also the last time she spoke to James. I think James' new wife felt a bit threatened by Carly being there, if I recall. Afraid Carly would steal her husband away from her, using her apparently magical vagina.

Well one thing is certain, kim Kardashian is definitely vain.

I also think James is so insecure, he needed to be with a woman who didn't compete with him.

He wanted to be the star/success in the relationship.

While James is more successful now, while they were married Carly was often more successful and it really got under his skin. And he was such an asshole he would tell her that he didn't think she had that much talent.

I don't think it is the current wife what is the problem, but the one before.

She felt very threatened by Carly.

All of these people sound like massive cunts. With really bad morals.

James Taylor was the embodiment of toxic masculinity and white male privilege and entitlement.

R327 That's all white men. Their all entitled, and it seems when they don't get their way bad things happen.

I would say no men are more entitled than Arabic men, but white men are pretty close.

Back to Jackie O. I still haven’t read Carly’s book. But in his, Jim Hart describes an awkward conversation with Jackie where she suggests he find a supplemental line of work besides writing. He gets offended and says something like, “Jackie, how many books have YOU written?” And then he walks out on her and leaves the house and also his marriage to Carly, for a while.

R330 Sounds like Jackie was calling him out for being a gold-digging free-loader, as none of his books sold.

No wonder he was touchy about that -- it was the truth.

And a hilarious accusation coming from her, of all people!

R331 He suspected Carly put Jackie up to it.

R326 that is what I took away after listening to the audiobook

R332: That's funny that you say that because I was thinking the same thing.

Although, with her two kids, you would think Carly was rather used to freeloaders who used her money instead of working.

Why is it so much fun to gossip about Carly, James, and their kids?

r335, I always pull over to check out train wrecks

Did you know Carly’s maternal grandmother was likely of around 40% African ancestry?

That photo in OP's post - what a fun-looking beach party. I'd love to be hanging out there.

[quote]Did you know Carly’s maternal grandmother was likely of around 40% African ancestry?

All Daddy and I know is that she was 100% SLUT!

JT is not any more famous than Carly.

[quote]JT is not any more famous than Carly.

He has had a much more successful career because the has toured relentlessly for the past several decades and she has not.

I think they’re about equal in name recognition, but Carly I would say had more tunes that people can reel off.

He is not more famous than she is though, touring or not. Their peak fame was the 70s and early-to-mid 80s, and both were equally popular and active during that period.

A big reason their marriage imploded was his jealousy over her success, leading him to start staying away from home for increasing amounts of time, drowning his sorrows in booze and drugs. Although he wrote plenty of his own music, his most successful singles were covers or written by someone else, whereas her big hits were composed by her. Her albums also did better on the charts. I think one reason they passed on doing "A Star is Born" (yes, they were considered, but eventually Barbra snagged it) is it probably hit too close to home.

Oh God, could you imagine them in “a star is born”?

Honestly though, don’t you think if she had been an unknown doormat he would’ve treated her the same? Marriages to guys like that in their prime just don’t last. Took him two more tries, and now he’s old enough to stay put.

"A star is born" in my opinion is way more entertaining taking place in the movie business then music.

My favorite is still the one from the 1930s. I just find the movie business way more fascinating then the music industry. I guess because it Hollywood.

r346 that's true. Vain, egotistical guys like Taylor are usually assholes to the first two wives, then finally "settle down" and behave with the third wife because by that time they're too old and tired to do much of anything anymore.

[quote]Oh God, could you imagine them in “a star is born”?

I think they would have been great in it.

Much more realistic about stealing each other's fans.

Barbra was like Kate Smith to Kristopherson's Elvis.

R294 please post passages from the Jim Hart book.

Does anyone have Carly’s book to post passages?

I do r350.

He showed his meat to me and said “suck it bitch!” I did it even though he is my son.

I'm an elder gay who who knows only one famous song by each of the formerly married couple. You're so vain and You've got a friend. Anything else they have ever wrote is not relevant beyond the 1970's. I still listen to artists like the Beatles a d will till my dying days, but carly Simon and James Taylor had their shelf life expired long time ago.

[quote]You're so vain and You've got a friend. Anything else they have ever wrote is not relevant beyond the 1970's.

Carole King *wrote* You've Got a Friend.

Carly Simon is one of my all time faves

Come on. All of you know you would want to suck Carly's tits if she asked.

74 year old tits should be shunned, not sucked!

[R356], I see the therapy's helping, Ben?

I could not give a rat's ass even if God himself wrote it R353 ... just to prove my point that I don't find anything CS or JT did worth mentioning. Yes, CK wrote quite number of great songs, but her nasal voice makes me wanna puke.

Datalounge uses the word "overrated" a lot. Applies to these two famous women. Both were celebrated for too long a time, Carly is a terrible singer and homely ass songwriter. Her success is unfathomable outside of Martha's Vineyard and Mike Nichols. Cuz the bitch can't sing and her songs are schoolgirl constructions.

Jackie O was a bit more important. Bouvier was shrewed. (sic) That's the word. But what does it matter? She was a calculating bitch. But her grief was real and it was televised. And it was kind of profound looking. I wasn't born for twenty more years, but we've all seen it, a lot. It's a historical portrait of personal grief. The footage is quite moving. She did right by her husband and the country.

There's no reason to believe that she was an otherwise interesting woman or good woman. What a life of privileged discretion she led. Boring beyond belief. She smoked?!? Oh, how shocking. She talked a few men into arranging for a lot of money to come her way. The ones who had to pay, she married.

"Jackie O was a bit more important."

Quite possibly, the understatement of 2019.

R359 thinks people care about the words he types.

How adorable.

[quote]Jackie O was a bit more important.

But only just. Nowhere near as important as DL makes her out to be. Jackie O is forgotten and what's remembered about Mrs. Kennedy isn't too kind.

[quote][R359] thinks people care about the words he types. How adorable.

You've posted more than 60 times on this thread R61. Sometimes as Babe Paley and who knows how many more times as your ancient old white fag self?

Sorry y'all and all y'all. The ancient white fag also known as BabePaley is actually the poster at R361. He's posted over 100 times on this thread! Gramps is such a fan of Jackie Kennedy and her racist bourgeois propriety. This same very old white fag who's never been close to a real woman chooses to hump Jackie Ho's corpse on Datalounge? Watch out for that BabePaley.

[quote} How adorable!

R359, you and the other negatives miss the point. She was a former First Lady. The White House was going to rack and ruin before she refurbished it to the historic home that it was meant to be. She did a lot of work personally on identifying the antiques and the history. She got others to donate antiques that fit the premises historically. She brought Bunny Mellon in to design the Rose Garden, where ceremonies are still held. She took her job as First Lady seriously. In other words she used her education to benefit the country while her husband was in office. She also helped save Grand Central Terminal in New York. She did a good job in publishing as well, living the life she wanted to live.

She was a snob. She also had an ego and was afraid of being broke. The gossip is what people know now, because these days it seems more valuable to know the worst about someone famous rather than what they did that was of value.. But it's a mistake to assume that is all there is.

R362, I guess that would explain why for the past 25 years since her death an endless stream of best selling books on her have been published, the multi Oscar nominated film "Jackie" grossed just under $40 million and her name and iconic image are still synonymous with style and grace.

The "Jackie" film was fantastic R366. I defended it upthread. The old fags here hate it. It doesn't suck Jackie's dick enough and did you know Natalie Portman is a jew? So don't go on bro. Try to live in 2020. The best selling books are all about JKOs bad behavior and what a courtesan style whore she was. Lifelong, even with her last married man diamond merchant. She was a greedy pig who marketed her body and "prestige." People were kind of shocked to learn that a president's wife itemized a $price for anal sex with her billionaire toad husband! And all the reports of what a cold and unkind mother and friend she was. And now Carly says she was no fun at a movie. Oh. And nobody cares. Because Jackie Kennedy is forgotten for her hideous fashion and wall-eyed ways. She never looked better than in a waist long veil. She made a good widow. For 2 days.

[quote]and what's remembered about Mrs. Kennedy isn't too kind.

R367, Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis will be remembered and written about for decades to come. You will be completely forgotten the day after you die, if not sooner.

I would argue that Jackie is even more revered today. In light of our society becoming ever more coarse and vulgar (r359/367 being a good example), Jackie is looked at even more fondly. We don't have "classy" public figures anymore, in the way Jackie was.

I am not a historic figure r368. Just a handsome, talented and loving man. Jackie will be written about for a while longer. Her slutty life and disgraceful ways, her bad parenting and marital deals with the devil for cash. Her long black veil. She would be fucking mortified. Hopefully she can see. She's not hated - she's antiquated and nothing a woman would want to be. The bitch thought she was KLASSY. So do you R368 and that odious BabePaley poster. Datalounge is kind of funny. Ancient white drag queens with pretensions. Desperately hanging on to nonsense.

r370 is just too declasse and ghetto to bother with.

DesKlassy as they said it in your tenement, R371.

The opinion of stupid people are so darling!

R370 is to be pitied. Sad, actually.

R370 dresses as Jackie Kennedy each Halloween, as she appeared on the day of JFK's funeral, complete with veil.

Halle Berry is such an evil ho!

[quote]I wish Gabriel were a member of my family.

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r370 is ratchet. NOCD.

^ Racist OLD fag.^

r378 sounds like a lunatic.

I read Jim's book and thought he was a striving leech. He spoke of Carly's marquee friends as if they were his own. Jackie, Mike Nichols, etc. were polite to him which he misunderstood as friendships he alone had attracted. I thought the whole book was sad and his revelations sordid and unbecoming. I'm surprised it was published. His attachment to Carly was fraudulent. I felt sorry for Carly's love for this debauched cad.

[R381] right on! The excerpt I read above is poorly, I mean poorly, written. He's an author? Of what? Amber Alerts on milk cartons? And yes, he sounds a right bum crawler, about an inch above David Gest on the Disgust Scale.

From Jim Hart's book:

[quote]"You've lived such a fascinating life," Jackie said, "I've grown up in essentially one place, one kind of society, that's what I mean. You've lived in so many – such a range'"

That is Jackie O throwing some major shade. And he was too stupid to pick up on it.

Yeah, my biggest takeaway from Carly’s book was Jackie did throw some great shade

I approve.

To me jackie is way more interesting then carly is. She comes from society, she married well multiple times, she instantly became a historical figure the moment her husband was elected. She got to be an American first lady, she married a billionaire and walked away from it with a huge fortune after he too died. She lived a life of luxury and comfort and got to get into a career she lived editing books etc etc.

And she'll be written about for centuries to come, just like every other president and first lady will be.

I guess Jackie wins. But carly's life definitely hasn't been dull. Jackie is just personally more interesting to me then carly is.

Carly believed in sucking cock. I approve.

[R386], from what I remember it *wasn't* a vast fortune from Aristotle. She was majorly put out to discover that whilst sufficient, by no means was it celestial. I'm blanking on the fellow she was with when she died, but I think it wasn't until she allowed him to invest her capital, that she was in any way to be considered set for life. And remember, two kids costs lots of money.

R388 Jackie walked away with a $26 million dollar settlement from christina onassis, and that was just to get rid of jackie.

When Jackie died in 1994, her estate was valued at $43.7 million dollars. Some people said it was $200 million, but it actually wasn't. But she was still rich though.

She was a greedy whore. Two kids don't cost what Jackie's 40 year old pussy charged. The fat married diamond merchant Jew must have hurt her deep inside to fuck. She was A whore. Born and died.

I don't think that's shade at all R383.

Cher and Tina Turner have both talked about meeting her and saying how gracious she was to them. And this was long before either of them were superstars in their own right. Cher had just started out with Sonny and Tina was still with Ike. Tina said she was most struck by Jackie putting out her hand to say hello before she even finished introducing herself.

Cher and Sonny were invited to perform at some Manhattan society party where the guests looked at them like trash. But according to Cher, Jackie was the only one who went over and complimented them on their performance afterwards, and even sat down and chatted with them.

[quote]"That was so lovely" Jackie said when we were finished. She sounded like Marilyn Monroe, breathy and very sweet. She was very gracious and insisted we sit down next to her. Jackie told us she loved "I Got You Babe", and that she thought we were an interesting couple. And then she told Sonny he looked very romantic. "Very Shakespearean," she said. Jackie Kennedy wasn't a snob; she was kind to us. All of the other people were looking at us like, "What planet did these two get kicked off of? Son and I had been invited just as entertainment, but since Jackie was being so nice, they were too embarrassed not to be nice to us too. When she invited us to stay for coffee and dessert, the hosts said, "Of course we want them to stay. How lovely (Yeah right).[quote]

Jackie was a racist. It's well known. Who gives a rusty fuck about what Cher has to say? (about anything) The ancient gays of Datalounge who look for something good in Jackie WOULD be Cher fans. Ha. Wow. Bad taste abounds among the very old.

Neither of them stands for nothing. Cher was fun - in a very conservative way. But very dumb. Jack and Jackie made Ronnie and Nancy look like radicals. Dull, pedestrian, prescribed existences. JFK had over ten thousand ten minute fucks in his life and his idea of an affair was when he got the peen off three times in the same woman. I suspect that's why the ancient bathhouse gays here continue to praise JKO. Kind of sad. A celebration of separating public and private behavior. She was nothing. Just a nothing person. An unlucky whore who had to scale down her standards each time she fucked - for more money. She died the wife of a thousand nights. She made sure of it. Mr and Mrs Kennedy were both whores.

[quote]To me jackie is way more interesting then carly is. She comes from society, she married well multiple times, she instantly became a historical figure the moment her husband was elected.

We only know who Jackie is because of the men she married.

Carly is famous in her own right, through her own talent.

Carly wins.

R391 That was definitely shade. Jackie was reminding him that he was not her sort. He didn't come from the background she and Carly came from.

Jackie was smart to marry a very sick old man with one foot in the grave. She only had to wait a few years and then CHA-CHING!

Jackie was a high-class whore.

Jackie was a woman of her time and class.

Jackie was a superwhore. She deserves a cape.

Blocked r370, etc. because this thread STANK. Ahhh...nice and breezy now.

But aren't you exactly that old racist fag R399? A bit late to block someone from over a week ago. You must be posting from several devices. Your effort is weak. Old white shrivelled gays are sad. This thread stinks of them.

Carly was creative. Jackie admired creativity.

It's like she has a permanent smile on her face. Kinda odd.

Jackie's far-apart eyes and Carly's horseface... what a combo

r403 did they have a child i don't know about?

Bump. I read the book. Carly is very mentally ill, it's on every page. She's a neurotic looney bin. The book isn't about Jackie, it's about Carly. Learnt nothing new about Jackie, but a lot about Carly's scrambled mind.

R405, Carly's only given one television interview to promote the book, just the TODAY Show.

Bless your heart R370

They were such good friends Jackie didn't even tell her she was ill or dying, Carly had to hear it from the housekeeper. Jackie didn't even say goodbye, she saw Carly for lunch, no mention of dying, then the next time Carly saw her was on her deathbed, no words shared because she was comatose. Jackie seemed a bit of a cunt and Carly is too naïve, insecure, messed up to see it.

R408, Everyone faces imminent death in their own way. When Dinah Shore was diagnosed with cancer, she chose to only tell former husband George Montgomery and their two children. After she died, Burt Reynolds and numerous friends were hurt that she never confided in them and allowed them to say goodbye.

R405, do you think Carly is a borderline personality disorder sufferer and married her second husband bc she thought a gay everyman would never leave her?

r409 you can bet she told Bunny Mellon and Nancy Tuckerman she was dying

[R405], it doesn't make sense that none of Carly's friends or intimates ever pinged that Jim Hart wasn't quite right in the hetero dept.? Her wedding dress looks like Little Bo Peep meets Stephen King; it;s fucking scary! How could a woman so sensitive have missed the clues? There had to be clues...

r412 I'm convinced Carly is terribly mentally ill and that if she told herself that Jim was straight she was naïve and ill enough to believe it. We're not talking about a normal person here. She's extremely neurotic. She has also convinced herself Jackie was a good friend, when she was a passive aggressive narcissist. I feel sorry for Carly, she's a good person, just very ill, she lives in her own little world of make believe where she only thinks the good of people and convinces herself they're something they're not.

Bunny, I reached out to Carly Simon to write an autobiography, purely business. Now she thinks we're best buddies and I can't get rid of her. She's more neurotic than Joan and Ethel put together. She annoys the hell out of me, she invites herself to 1040 and Red Gate, that mouth and those teeth, and she's so damn needy and insecure. She asked me about the assassination, can you imagine? The nerve!

I'm sure Caroline is just delighted with Carly’s book.

I can buy that Carly didn't know Jim Hart was gay when they were first married, but not for 20 years. She's not that dumb or naive and she seems to have had a healthy sex drive, at least when younger. She just made her peace with it, for whatever reason.

JFK, Jr. was not pleased with all the books that were published about Jackie after her death, especially those written by Ed Klein.

He told friends, "The guy had one lunch with my mother twenty years ago and now he writes about her like they were best friends . . .".

I'm confident Caroline will NOT be sending Carly a Christmas card this year.

What the fuck is that? The waist looks like something you’d see on My 600lb Life.

All of these people sound really crazy. What a world they people live in.

I read the book. I learnt more about Carly Simon's psychiatric drug routine than I did about Jackie Onassis

Because I love you all, I’ve listened to the Audible versions Carly’s memoir (read by Elizabeth McGovern!) and Jim Hart’s memoir so that I can report back. Each are deliciously self-indulgent nonsense. My highest recommendation! Jackie comes off as a hero in both books. It’s clear she had Jim’s number (0) from the moment she met him. Jackie seems fairly self-possessed, and knew how to manipulate these neurotic fools.

Both books should be required reading/listening to join DL.

I leafed through Carly's book in Barnes and Noble and she didn't reveal much about Jackie, it was mostly Carly talking about Carly. What little about Jackie she did discuss wasn't anything new.

r423 and didn't she just release a memoir a few years ago? Yeesh.

When is Caroline going to release her book on her mother. That book would be a huge smash hit. DL keep saying she loves $$$ too. I think she could write a nice book on her mother and brother. You know, just to set the record straight about everything.

Of course, DL would explode if Caroline ever released a book on her mother and brother. And we all know that'll never happen anyway. But it would be interesting if she ever did. And throw her aunt Lee in there too.

R425, As if she needs the money. Any book Caroline wrote would be a massive whitewash.

Come off it, Jackie instilled the same secrecy and paranoia for privacy in her children that she had, Caroline is never going to write a book. Years back she released the book of her mothers' transcribed post White House tapes and before that her favourite poems, that's the closest you'll get.

R427, And the 1964 Schlesinger audio recordings contained some controversial remarks by Jackie. Kudos to Caroline for not editing them.

r428 makes one wonder what she DID edit out

Oh there were edits..

Someone start a thread about what the edits were. I'll start:

Lyndon Johnson hogtied me to the bed in the Lincoln Bedroom and turkey slapped me with his enormous cock. He was a vulgarian. A real Texas redneck cunt of a man. For a moment I considered leaving Jack for him but he wasn't rich enough. He was only a teacher after all. EDIT

Letitia Baldrige is a preop transsexual called Larry. Nancy Tuckerman is a depressive closeted lesbian and she's been in love with me since Miss Porters days. She's my slave, I can get her to do anything for me. It's quite cute really, if not exploitative. But hey, she digs me. EDIT

Ethel is the stupidest woman god ever created. She fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down and landed on her head. She believes she's the virgin mary and that Bobby is a colossal saint. Dumb bitch. EDIT

One would have killed for Lem Billings fellatio skills.

One evening during the Cuban Missile Crisis when we all felt death was near, Jack, Bobby and I had a threesome in the Lincoln Bedroom. EDIT

Jackie was half in the bag when she did those interviews. You can hear ice clinking in a glass.

I wish like, some other presidential libraries, the JFK Library would release its oral history interviews in a form other than just mere transcripts.

R437, Ethel will not allow RFK's papers to be made public, despite repeated requests.

Wait till ya fruitcakes take a gander at my oral history.

I just started the book, up to the already-publicized anecdote about Carly losing her mind because she thinks Jackie has stood her up at a restaurant. Struck by how truly nice Carly seems, but also how wildly insecure. Lady, you're Carly Fucking SIMON! I don't care what anyone on here says, she's an icon in her way, highly creative and original, tons of hits, with a unique personal style. I admired Jackie, too, but if I had to choose which one to meet in her prime, honestly I'd choose Carly. At least Carly would spill all her secrets to me; Jackie wouldn't say shit.

Jackie wouldn't say anything, because she's a "lady."

I'm A LADY!

I've been on assistance ever since daddy lost everything on the stock market. Joe Kennedy used to pay all my bills if I put out. I was so relieved when he had his stroke, after that all I had to do was flash my tits and he'd signed the check. EDIT

I picture Carly emptying her heart and soul while Jackie just sits there, sphinxlike, saying nothing, taking it all in.

[quote]I can buy that Carly didn't know Jim Hart was gay when they were first married, but not for 20 years. She's not that dumb or naive and she seems to have had a healthy sex drive, at least when younger. She just made her peace with it, for whatever reason.

CARLY: "Please fuck me!"

JIM: "No!"

CARLY: "It's been seven years!"

JIM: "That's because I am nooooot oooooooone of snatch's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaans!"

CARLY: "Goodness, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were gay. Which drawer has the batteries?"

I agree with R444.

Hard to believe the Kardashians are now wealthier than the Kennedys.

Crazy.

If only the Kennedy family got into reality tv, R447. Ethel, the 91-year old matriarch, would be a hoot.

Lucky there wasn't a camera at Hickory Hill in the 60s and 70s, Ethel would have been put in jail for child abuse

Please, no one wants to see any Kennedy do a sex tape. Joan and her beverage problem would make great television though.

R449, Child neglect is more like it.

neglect is abuse

r444 funny you say that. I read somewhere once that Jackie always encouraged people to talk about themselves to her so therefore she didn't have to reveal much about herself. Smart

Jackie had an odd habit of never looking people eye to eye when speaking with them. She would look at them at an angle, almost in profile.

Jackie was not your friend. She used you. Until you were no longer useful.

R453 I think we’ve arrived at the essence of Carly and Jackie’s friendship. Oversharer and mystery.

I’m a little further along into the book, it’s still early in their acquaintance. Carly is describing how everybody tiptoes around Jackie because she’s such an awesome presence. At one point Carly compliments Jackie’s sandals at a dinner party, and an awkward silence descends upon the assembled group (the Styron crowd). Apparently she’s gotten too personal for Jackie. What horseshit.

R457, But, eventually Jackie offered that she purchased them in some foreign country.

Jackie was enraged that someone might draw attention to her huge manly feet

Jackie had, of course, stolen the shoes and was fearful that Carly was on to her.

The biggest shame of all was that she stole them from a Goodwill

Carly was surprised. It was rare for JAO to wear shoes at all.

R459, When Jackie mentioned that she once considered becoming a ballerina, Ethel pointed to her size 11 feet and roared, “With those clodhoppers of yours, you’d be better off going in for soccer!” She referred to Jackie derisively as a “debutante,” called her “Jacque-leen,” which, Ethel roared, rhymed with “queen.”

Ethel was always insanely jealous of Jackie.

Rose Kennedy used to make fun of Jackie for running the water in the bathroom sink while taking [italic]une dumpe.[/italic]

Jackie seemed to have a lot of psychological issues that became much worse after the assassination.

There are a lot of stories of her dropping friends, or being very friendly with someone one day and walking past them the next day like they were complete strangers.

A good example of her dropping friends were Charles and Martha Bartlett. The Bartletts introduced her to JFK and were JFK Jr’s godparents. They were frequent visitors to her home and were friends with Bobby and Ethel. She saw them once after the assassination by chance , just after she moved to Manhattan, and then never saw them again.

R465, And Jackie used to make fun of Rose for wearing notes to herself pinned to her clothing.

R465, And Jackie used to make fun of Rose for wearing notes to herself pinned to her clothing.

Carly writes that Jackie was VERY opposed to the marriage to Jim Hart, because he didn't have money. That's our Jackleen!

Jackie also threw shade at Jann Wenner, telling Carly "he's not your friend." Carly goes on to note that she is still not in the R&R Hall of Fame, though "her peers" are.

I always felt sorry for Jackie whenever I read that "clodhopper" story. She really walked into that one, no pun intended. What a bitch, that Ethel. I would've wanted to strangle her on the spot. Just the fact that the story made the rounds indicates how frosted Jackie must have been.

Somehow I missed this when it took place a few years ago. I kind of hate it, partly because I can't stand Taylor Swift, but mostly because I cringe at seeing Carly put through this ridiculous karaoke-style performance, where they prance, bounce and mug through the song, arm-in-arm like drunk sorority sisters. So undignified. Carly was quite physical onstage back in the day, but in a much cooler way. Blech, kids today!

Despite growing up with wealth and also marrying it, Ethel was/is a classless, uncultured twit. Stupid bitch wouldn't know Jack-lene is the French pronunciation. Ethel can barely master English, or her children.

Ethel was always very coarse and crass.

Jackie ghosted a lot of people from her White House and Washington days merely because she couldn't cope being reminded of JFK and the assassination, which is understandable. Others were ghosted for disloyalty, talking about her to the press etc. Some were ghosted for small petty misdemeanors that I'm sure made sense to her at the time. Some of it was probably snobbery too, She was fragile and mistrusting of people, but can anyone blame her?

Ethel always had that dumb screwed up looking face, like she just smelt dog shit or doesn't understand the question. Not unlike Greta Turdburgs' face

Oh Ethel, envy isn't a good look on you. Or polyester.

Didn't Ethel's brothers rape and kill a girl when they were young but it was all covered up because they were rich? Was there a suicide involved, or it was deemed suicide?

r477 Deaths are never covered up merely because someone is rich

r478 Exactly

Oh well, I'm still here, and she's not

Ethel, all those children have simply ruined your figure

Brrp...hic....

Listerine rhymes with queen!

Excuse me, I'm the Listerine Queen

Is there anything more distinctively, obnoxiously WASPish than calling a grown woman Bunny?

Mummy and I shoot bunnies

Bunny Mellon died so young

Or Muffie, r485.

r488 Muffie? As in muffin top?

As in Muffie Potter Aston, a staple of DL's favorite website New York Social Diary.

r490 her colorist needs shooting and someone give her a fringe and layering before she's mistaken for a horse, or worse, Sarah Jessica Parker

This woman is insufferable! I had to stop reading. And all that money and style and her hair still looks like a dry home bathroom bleach job in need of a good condition

[quote]Listerine rhymes with queen!

Baaaby, ANYTHING rhymes with KAH-ween if you're goddamn drunk enough! Waiter!

Jackie ghosted longtime friend Ben Bradlee after he wrote a book she felt was unflattering of JFK.

I’m gonna cut that bitch when I see her.

r494 you mean he told the truth?

R496, Ben Bradlee's book was published before the Judith Campbell Exner revelations were made public, so he didn't even mention JFK's extramarital action. But, he did write that JFK used off color language and that didn't fit the JFK image Jackie was trying to perpetuate.

[quote]Ben Bradlee's book was published before the Judith Campbell Exner revelations were made public, so he didn't even mention JFK's extramarital action.

Bradlee knew very well about JFK's many, many affairs. He was covering for him. Jackie should have thanked him.

Carly describes an awful dinner party given by Katherine Graham, who conducts it like a mean teacher, forcing everyone to take turns discussing NAFTA and then putting Carly on the spot by making her sing after dinner. Graham sounds horrible.

Was Ethel eager to become first lady? Was that something important to her? I've heard she was disappointed when she realized she'd never hold that place in American history, just as so many other political wives were.

Ann Romney, Cindy McCain, and Tipper Gore etc.

Ethel probably wanted it to lord it over Jackie as much as anything else.

Finally finished the book. Didn't earn much about Jackie. Carly seems so nice, and so humble, if needy. A lot of the book is her striving to be poetic and literary. I guess when you grow up in the publishing world and hang out with the Styrons, that's what you do.

^ *learn* much about Jackie. Freudian slip perhaps, since one associates Jackie with money, always.

[quote] A lot of the book is her striving to be poetic and literary.

Carly Simon is both well-read and well-spoken. She reads constantly and has an immense vocabulary.

She is also very witty.

R504, Thank you, Ben.

After reading the book all I could deduce is that Carly Simon is an absolute twit.

R506 Perhaps, you're the absolute twit for reading it.

I did learn that Jackie often enthused, “What fun!” Usually over something like getting popcorn at the movies.

r508 Aspie's like Carly don't understand irony and sarcasm

Two slivers of beef jerky meet on a sand dune.

What was Jackie's fave Carly Simon song? I vote Cumming Aorund Again.

Carly Simon is a nice person as is Jim Harte- very nice- both of them. I take Carly at her word about Mrs O. So much hemming and hawing about this harmless little book. Silly. I know Jim reasonably well- he is a lovely and caring man who has had some problems in his life. I do know he has faced them head on and has the ability to forgive and maintain good relationships with those he inadvertently hurt. That is not easy.

And what about all these people who have so much knowledge of James Taylor- the asshole. How do they know?

I think anything that adds to the published record on Mrs O deserve attention. She is one of the most enigmatic figures in American history.

Didn’t Andy Warhol claim in his diaries that Jackie and Warren Beatty fucked? I wonder if she compared notes with Carly

There was a throwaway line in the book that heavily implied it, R513.

Jackie had a thing for Beatty. She wanted him to play JFK in film PT109 but he passed. On the film not her.

Best friend my foot.

I wasn't expecting to find a photo of them together.

Jackie was also rumored to have tumbled with William Holden and Marlon Brando, in their prime.

c h a r l i e sold hankies from a cart outside Grand Central and fancies himself an insider to the Kennedys? Warhol, Liza, Bob and all the other useless people of their time. He sucked Babar Streizand's dick until he choked. James Taylor did Carly Simon a favor to fuck her. She's the most ugly ass neurotic bitch who can't sing. People sound crazy when they play their violins from the 1970s. A lot of people died after that but that's no reason to find Jackie O attractive. This thread must be about the MOST eldest gays time, but if c h a r l i e kneeled for them - you can guess it must be wrong. He inhaled too much shoeshine. That's his claim to fame regarding JFK Junior BTW. He stalked him to the gym after giving him a shoeshine from his cart. c h a r l i e has beautiful memories to share.... and he will.

Jackie and Sinatra fucked in the 70's. I always thought she hated him but apparently they fucked,

Yes, r485, calling a grown man Bunny.

R519 Charlie off his meds.

Shut up R519.