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You ever notice how Black female crossover acts are not revered or well liked in the Black community?

Diana Ross - Just barely noticed thanks to the Motown’s status but not really revered or beloved.

Donna Summer - Completely ignored

Dionne Warwick - Completely ignored outside of being Whitney’s cousin

Tina Turner - Only mentioned as far the “What’s Love Got To Do With It” film and her influence on Beyoncé.

None of them are revered or beloved as Aretha, Patti, Gladys, Chaka, etc. Janet is saved thanks to the fact she was primarily a New Jack Swing/R&B artist. I also don’t think Whitney would be as well liked if she had kept her 80s image and never moved towards R&B/Gospel in the mid to late 90s.

by Anonymousreply 18October 19, 2019 6:17 AM

No.

by Anonymousreply 1October 18, 2019 1:20 PM

r1 Insightful

by Anonymousreply 2October 18, 2019 1:38 PM

That's not even slightly true.

by Anonymousreply 3October 18, 2019 1:55 PM

Not true, OP.

by Anonymousreply 4October 18, 2019 1:56 PM

Very true. Anyone that disagrees isn’t Black

by Anonymousreply 5October 18, 2019 2:01 PM

I disagree

by Anonymousreply 6October 18, 2019 2:08 PM

Does that include Beyonce?

by Anonymousreply 7October 18, 2019 2:11 PM

Failed thread.

by Anonymousreply 8October 18, 2019 2:17 PM

Anyone that disagrees IS black.

by Anonymousreply 9October 18, 2019 2:23 PM

Get over yourself OP. I’m black and I’ve read/seen a lot of tributes by younger black female artists (like Beyoncé, Whitney Houston) who credit Ross with opening doors for them. Artists, including rap artists, sample her songs. Patti LaBelle has commented that lots of singers would kill to have Ross’ songbook with so many #1 songs. Look at the people who attended her big 75th birthday bash.

I listen to satellite soul radio and Ross’ singles/Supremes are always played. In my personal life I hear her brought up like some of the others you name. When growing up, it was an uplifting HUGE DEAL in our family and neighbors to see the Supremes on Ed Sullivan. I can go on. Her 18 #1 group/solo songs charted well on soul charts. ...I could go on.

I hate this ‘black enough’ narrative. Like the range of blackness is narrow and we should look down on black artists who don’t act/live/perform a certain way. The world have evolved and that old narrative is tired.

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by Anonymousreply 10October 18, 2019 2:29 PM

r7 Beyoncé isn’t Pop. She’s primarily R&B

by Anonymousreply 11October 18, 2019 2:33 PM

R10, Isn't it kind of like black kids who do well in school, and actually go to school to learn something, are usually criticized by other blacks as acting too white?

by Anonymousreply 12October 18, 2019 2:37 PM

Whitney was booed at a black music awards ceremony

by Anonymousreply 13October 18, 2019 2:39 PM

r13 Whitney was hated around the late 80s but became beloved by time she did the Bodyguard. The same award show that booed in 1989 named her female artist of the decade in 1998 to a standing ovation. From that point on, she could got a standing ovation every time she appeared on stage at a Black awards show

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by Anonymousreply 14October 18, 2019 3:55 PM

Whitney's hair is tragic at that event

by Anonymousreply 15October 18, 2019 4:13 PM

Hello Oprah, Hello Whitney, Hello Aretha.

OP should stop imagining stuff right after taking anti-psychotic drugs as her analysis sounds very narrow and shallow.

by Anonymousreply 16October 18, 2019 4:33 PM

Diana Ross is highly respected in the Black community. Oprah, RuPaul, Beyoncé have all praised her and credited the influence she's had.

She had 12 #1 songs with The Supremes; six as a solo artist, an Oscar nomination for portraying Billie Holiday and Mahogany is popular because of Ross herself and her onscreen chemistry with Billy Dee Williams. She was one of the few black actresses to lead major motion pictures in the '70s. Yes, The Wiz was a flop but her name helped get it made.

Her 1980 album diana was a huge smash on both the pop and R&B charts, and both Upside Down and I"m Coming Out have been sampled endless on hip hop songs.

A lot of the imagery of the Supremes and Ross' solo years were used in Dreamgirls.

by Anonymousreply 17October 19, 2019 6:01 AM

Miss OP is trying to stir some shit, but the toilet has done been flushed, with nothin left to stir..

by Anonymousreply 18October 19, 2019 6:17 AM
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