Matt Lauer accused of rape in Ronan’s book

CBS this morning was gleefully gave about 5 minutes of newstime this am to this story.

Matt Lauer comeback? I think not!

I'm not surprised.

There was no rape. She pursued the sex and continued doing it. Sounds more like regret.

Another case of slut remorse.

She says he ass raped her during the Sochi Olympics, she reported it to NBC News where they both worked, and NBC buried it.

[quote]There was no rape. She pursued the sex and continued doing it. Sounds more like regret.

The article clearly describes a rape.

Datalounge is full of guys who insist women never get raped, they're just sluts who regret their actions. I think at least on DLer like that is on the Variety thread about this on Twitter, in fact.

I believe it. Nobody innocent and completely above board has a secret button that locks their office door like he did.

Of course he’s a rapist.

And DL was convinced he was gay

Him and Trump.

r10, Who thought he was gay? The man is a well known pussy hound. He almost lost his marriage at least a couple of times due to his constant affairs with women. Finally, that wife of his had enough of him after he got fired for his shenanigans at NBC.

Yes he’s a rapist but she’s also a whore

R12 oh please. Years ago, DLers would go one and on about how he was really gay

A dramatic re-enactment:

This never happened. Mr. Lauer is an upstanding member of society.

I imagine it went down like this:

Matt: Let’s fuck.

Colleague: No.

Matt: We’ve fucked before. You can’t say no.

Colleague: No. I said no.

Matt: Fine, then just up the butt.

Colleague: No!

Matt: *sticks it in colleague’s butt*

Colleague: Get the fuck out of me! I am reporting you to NBC!

Matt: Haha! First of all, I am the star and when you’re a star they let you do it. You know my contract has that get-away-with-rape clause. They even gave me the bonus desk button so I can rape coworkers in my office. So that’s not gonna work. Second *cums in ass* we’ve already fucked, so this is your fault. That’s what the cops will tell you before NBC fires your slut ass. Here, use my phone, but I don’t think 911 will work in Sochi.

I never liked him.

"Weinstein made it known to the network that he was aware of Lauer's behavior and capable of revealing it," Farrow writes. Citing anonymous sources at NBC and AMI, Farrow, claims that Weinstein was using the Enquirer's accumulated dirt on the Today show star's alleged workplace misconduct to pressure NBC executives to kill Farrow's long-gestating Weinstein exposé.

Wow so burying Harvey's story by NBC was actually a quid pro quo ?

She had consensual sex with him multiple times after the rape incident. She's a rape victim AND a slut. NBC paid her a 7-figure payout sum. Life is fun.

I'm not saying that she wasn't raped but her behavior (telling him that she enjoyed the lube-free anal sex, going back to him for more sex, having sex with him multiple times knowing that he is married with kids) is problematic. Many people want to blame the victim of sexual assault and admitted behavior like hers unfortunately makes that very easy to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if the revelation about her behavior makes Matt Lauer much more sympathetic to the public.

Victim blaming again. There’s obviously a nonconsensual sexual encounter between them. Interesting that he likes anal sex. Hmm, I wonder if he ever fuk a guy in the ass as well. He’s a sexual addict so it’s not improbable.

[Quote] She had consensual sex with him multiple times after the rape incident. She's a rape victim AND a slut.

Many rape or abuse victims are often traumatized by the experience and the perpetrators take advantage of that. How disgusting to call the victim a slut. Saying no several times is NOT consensual sex. The bastard anally raped that woman.

R22, she never told him she liked lube-free anal; he just raped her lube-free, which led to days of bleeding

What's this about BASS TAPING

A man anally rapes her and she keeps going back for more? C'mon, y'all.

Shut up r27. You're triggering r24.

[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if the revelation about her behavior makes Matt Lauer much more sympathetic to the public.

"[bold]Multiple women[/bold] who worked at Today break their silence in Catch and Kill, including the one who took her complaint to NBC's HR department on the evening of Nov. 27, 2017, resulting in Lauer's ouster the next day. "

Lauer's career is toast and will remain toast.

He's glib.

It’s problematic on DL to have surprise anal equated to rape.

[Quote] A man anally rapes her and she keeps going back for more?

Or like I said, she was still traumatized from the first rape and he forced himself on her again and again till he was finally done with her. Be thankful you were never in that situation and stop judging other people for what happened to them.

R32, you are so dramatic.

I was anally raped by my proctologist

[quote]A man anally rapes her and she keeps going back for more? C'mon, y'all.

It's called denial. And people like you keep saying that a woman who did it willingly a bunch of times isn't allowed to say no when she doesn't want it, and if she does it's not rape anyway, and people internalize that.

I’ve believed for decades that Lauer should be in prison, and now fortunately there’s a legal reason to do it. I hope Guthrie apologizes for her tears.

[quote]And people like you keep saying that a woman who did it willingly a bunch of times isn't allowed to say no when she doesn't want it, and if she does it's not rape anyway, and people internalize that.

No, gurl. According to that article, he allegedly anally raped her first and she kept going back after that encounter. I'm sorry, but you only have to stick your finger in an electrical outlet once to know not to do it again.

Yes! If she had electrified it.

Okay "gurl" but you're the carpet sample who's too dumb to know how to shop at Walmart so if you'll excuse me I'll disregard your cranky old man opinions, thanks.

Is Lauer hung?

Matt Lauer was a god on The Today Show after 20+ years. He was the big man on campus and credited largely for the success of this gigantic juggernaut of a profit center, and the power imbalance was major. Really the only person he could’ve fucked on staff would be Katie Couric and at the time, she was the alpha! No one was his equal on that set. His power and influence grew by the year so I’m sure this girl was swept up in the headiness of their encounters. I’m sure it was terribly confusing and she probably couldn’t sort thru her true emotions at the time.

Who cares about Matt Lauer? Why doesn't Ronan investigate the rape accusations against Trump?

"having sex with him multiple times knowing that he is married with kids"

His wife and kids are not HER responsibility. She's* not cheating, he is, and if it wasn't with her it would be with someone else.

* any woman who sleeps with a married man

Matt Lauer comes out swinging! I will say this letter is rather persuasive.

Stop arguing r37. According to DL, rape victims can never ever be sluts. They are victims after all.

C'mon, who didn't loves Matt's anal rape segments on the Today Show?

Lauer's take is they did anal/vaginal/oral and she loved every last second of it. He's a stud.

The Jewish community has a real problem with its men. What the fuck is going on??!

Lauer's response is basically saying that all the women he slept with are just regretful sluts and he's going to out them and take them down for it. Gross.

This is the guy who was lobbing softball questions at Trump in 2016 and going after Clinton like she was history's greatest monster so it's not like he was some bastion of integrity that evil nasty women are taking down.

Has she yet to describe Matt's genitalia in explicit detail?

It doesn't matter if she had consensual sex with him afterwards, drank, or wore a tight dress.

Rape is rape, and he was in a position of power over her. Matt Lauer is not the victim here.

My suspicion is that, for most straight women, sex is often joyless. They have so much routine bad sex they don't want to process the fact that there's something worse, nonconsensual sex.

People "know" Matt Lauer after watching him on TV every day for years and years and years. People don't "know" this woman who is accusing him of rape after apparently carrying on some sort of relationship with him that included multiple sexual encounters over multiple weeks in a variety of locations.

Because she came back for more, for whatever reason, people will see her as the abuser and Matt as the victim of an ambitious woman who wanted to sleep her way to power and is crying "rape" when her scheme failed. I'm not saying that I believe that is true but many, many people will believe Matt over this woman.

If she admits she said she liked it and came back for more, what else are we to think?

Let him defend himself. His career is still toast. I highly doubt a network family show will hire a married man with three kids who had aggressive anal sex with a female work colleague/subordinate and several other affairs or inappropriate sexual encounters in the future.

I would feel differently about this, maybe, had she not accepted the seven figure deal.

[quote]"after not speaking out to protect my children, it is now with their full support I say ‘enough.'”

Protecting your children didn't seem a big priority when you were cheating on their mother, Matt. Unless, of course, you also got their "full support" before indulging in adultery, sexual assault and intimidation.

Matt: "No means yes, and no also means anal."

There is no excuse - he’s a rapist.

I feel sorry for his kids and his victims.

I support credible victims. I just can’t jump on the bandwagon that everyone is a victim just because they say they’re a victim. Sometimes I think these “transactional” encounters go south when one party doesn’t get the benefits they were expecting and the only way out and the only way to save face is shroud yourself in the cloak of victimhood.

Is that why Ann Curry got pushed out? Was she a victim or did she try and stand up to him? I remember him being on Channel 9 in NY years before Today, and he came across as a snarky bully. It was some shitty daytime talk show.

Believe the victim.

Ann was not very good at the job. She would talk over the guests and she always seemed so confrontational in interviews. It’s clear that Matt, preferred working with Savannah.

No Hetero woman wants surprise anal or no surprise anal on a one night stand, and no way did she have free Will to tell him NO at any point. At the same time Matt saw all of these women as willing and likely didn’t even realize they thought they were being raped.

Would love the know Ann Curry’s thoughts on this?

Agreed, R65. Anal sex is from the Gods, but even I prefer it on my terms. Forced anything is just that, forced, a power play; and so unattractive.

Not rape rape.

R65 Yes, from what I've heard from female friends, anal sex is not something women enjoy at all. Very painful and not enjoyable at all without a prostate. Surprise anal without lube and preparation - I highly doubt she agreed to that. Also, read an article about anal at porn shoots a while back and a director said it was a total nightmare. What looks joyful in the movie is hard and painful "work" and includes dozens of reshoots. And these women are pros.

I don't think she "went back for more". She believed she had to go along with it because he had the power to have her professionally blacklisted, making it impossible for her to get a job in the career that she had established. (Look at what the asshole did to Ann Curry, and that didn't even involve sex, as far as we know.) Basically, he had power over her future earning potential.

Trust me, I am an enthusiastic bitch when it comes to sex. Love giving a blow job.

However, anal for me hurts like hell even with lube and preparation. It is nothing I would ever want to experience again. No woman wants surprise anal.

It's not about you, hon.

That's right, R53. That's because straight men are obsessed - with themselves. They're not interested in their female partner other than a means to get off.

[quote] The Jewish community has a real problem with its men. What the fuck is going on??!

All men are pigs. There are a lot of Jews in the entertainment business so they’re gonna get more attention. There are just as many rapists in bumbfuck and even college campuses. These women really need to take control though. All girls should be in self-defense and karate classes from a young age. Look at the Israeli women in combat. Girls need to learn to kick ass and stop bring victims all the time. They also need to realize that men don’t pick up on signals. You need to be vocal about what you want and what you don’t.

Ann Curry worked at the Today Show and was an employee of NBC News. According to Matt, his accuser was not an employee of Today not NBC and therefore Matt had no input into her ability to remain employed.

If they didn’t even work for the same employer, why did she think he could get her fired if she had refused to have a sexual relationship with him?

She kept going back...as a female who was raped many yrs ago, I dont think Louer raped her

His letter makes more sense than hers. She didn't report the rape the next day. If she had they would have gotten her out of Sochi in a hurry for her protection. She reported it after he jilted her. They both should provide their text messages.

[Quote] If they didn’t even work for the same employer, why did she think he could get her fired if she had refused to have a sexual relationship with him?

Because he was a powerful man and could simply call future employers - who he was probably friends with - and ask them not to hire her?

I applied for a different office at my company bc I really hated my boss and some colleagues. Told the new office I wanted to move to this area. They called my old boss and he probably told them some bs and I never heard from them again. My old boss made fun of me and asked me when I was planning to move knowing very well he had blocked my application. Thankfully I also applied at another company and quit the following week. This shut happens all the time. Bet Matt Lauer has influence and buddies at every big network.

She got 7 figures but didn't sign any sort of non disclosure?

Your answer, R74, is "According to Matt..."

Any rich man who ever looked at a woman or worse talked to one, or even worse touched one, should lawyer up. The purges on underway. Wait for the knock in the middle of the night.

She is not a credible victim. She accepted a $1 million + payout, he was fired, and SHE NEVER PRESSED CHARGES.

I am going to get high blood pressure from all this salted popcorn I’m wolfing, watching the poo pile up on the Welcome Matt.

She kept asking him for sex after the alleged rape to further her career?

And she accepted a seven figure deal for all this?

And NOW she still wants to play the victim?

Nevils was an NBC employee covering the Olympics, I don't know why you're saying she isn't. Lauer is trying to say she was in a "completely different part of the network" to make it sound like she wasn't a co-worker but she was. They both worked for NBC and were both assigned to cover the Olympics.

Isn't that on her as well as on him that she was having sex with someone else at the company?

Does Matt use condoms?

Um, Brooke... did Matt put a bag over her head?

Her story sounds like bullshit.

^^^Mary Mother of God ^^^

They gave her the payout because she was ANALLY raped. And she made have had medical testimony for her injuries,

He is obviously a pig 🐷

What is problematic is that she not only admits to having consensual sex with him multiple times after she says he raped her, but that after he ended the “affair” by ghosting her, she continued to contact him to restart the relationship. That is completely different from any of the allegations against Cosby, Weinstein, etc... It is not normal to enter into a consensual affair with your rapist, and it is extremely strange to then beg them to continue the affair, after a violent rape such as she described.

I refuse to call accusers victims and say I believe them. You are only a victim once it has been established that a crime occurred, preferably in a court of law. Until then, you are an accuser and you are not to be believed or disbelieved.

I believe her. She has an unrape-able face. Rape is about power, not physical attraction.

Maybe Brooke was a fan of Toni Bently's book, The Surrender, about a straight woman taking it up the ass over and over again to attain transcendence. Did Matt creampie her?

She has a million dollars in the bank and never pressed charges.

[quote]They both worked for NBC and were both assigned to cover the Olympics.

She was with Meredith Viera's team.

Brooke Nevils

R91 Exactly this. a significant portion of my patients have a history of trauma and abuse, including rape. It is very unusual for the victim of a violent rape, and I consider un-lubed, forced anal sex a violent rape, to go on to have consensual sexual encounters with the rapist. What's more to pursue a romantic or sexual relationship with the rapist. It is just not credible and believable. At some point we have to be more critical of facts and evidence, instead of just blindly believing ALL accusers. This woman's story discredits what rape victims really go through.

Was Matt Lauer so powerful that he could single-handedly keep a person out of the entire television news industry simply by making a single telephone call to her boss or potential boss? Was he powerful enough to keep her out of the entire television industry? Out of the entire entertainment industry? Out of being hired anywhere, by anyone in the US? In the world?? Forever?????

Matt Fucking Lauer had that much power? Wow! If he can do that, what can Oprah do?????? The mind reels.

Is it really worth getting raped over and over again just to keep a shitty behind-the-scenes job in network TV news? I'm not saying that it isn't but I'd question the sanity of someone who chooses their job over their health and safety over and over and over again.

I agree, r98. This woman worked on Meredith Viera's team, so it's not like people would have called him directly to get the scoop on this lady if she applied for other jobs.

The real Brooke Nevils. Matt got hot for THIS?

Actually R100 I would think straight guys would find her very fuckable. She seems easy and freaky under the sheets.

HER WORDS: I got penetrated in my ass at a point I wasn’t able to consent. I got No witnesses.

HER ACTIONS: I went to his room not once but twice that night, after doing shots of vodka (there are. witnesses for that). I continued having consensual sex with him. After the affair ended abruptly, I came forward anonymously with accusations of rape (witnesses for those). I then wrote a book and accepted a seven figure settlement from my employer to have this all end.

Really, who looks less believable? Is Lauer a rapist just because she decided to say so at a time when these exposures are a dime a dozen and count with the backing of the press and the public?

I believe Bill Cosby’s victim, Harvey Weinstein’s victims (the numbers support similar stories), and Trump’s victims, since there are recordings of him actually admitting to, no, make that bragging about assault. But Matt’s “victim” has a very weak case, that still enjoyed a great payout.

Matt wasn't looking at that face when he was anally raping her, he was looking at the back of her curly head.

The mere fact that she kept going back for more sheds lies on her allegations. Sorry girl, you weren't raped at all.

But was it rape rape?

Why is everyone here trying so hard to discredit this woman? Matt Lauer wasn't just fired bc one woman accused him of rape. He was fired bc he had a history of inappropriate behavior and NBC was obviously well aware of this and believed her. Whatever happened before or after the rape or if you think the woman is a slut doesn't really matter at all. She did not want to have anal sex with him that night and said no multiple times. The only relevant question you should ask yourself here is, do you believe he raped this woman based on her account of that night and his previous conduct. If the answer is yes, just stop and don't make lame excuses for a known abuser and rapist.

"Yuch, look at her hair..."

P.S. Again SO fucking glad I am gay. Can you imagine dealing with this crap?

I love the image of this woman on her stomach, getting poked from behind, moaning and then looking over one shoulder and screeching, "I am going to take you to court!" Once the check clears, of course.

He had a button in his office desk to lock the door and trap women inside. Have we forgotten this part of his original downfall? Matt is a rapist y’all!

I thought it was proven that that so called button did not exist.

R108 I really hope you spend some time in prison some day and the man who violently rapes you laughs in your face while you lay on your stomach screaming in pain. I also hope you enjoy the pain while taking a bloody dump every day and the next several months while other inmates have a rough go with you. Maybe you learn some empathy.

DL has not been watching their SVU episodes enough. Even the sluttiest and drunkedest of drunk sluts can get raped. Even in the pooper.

R105 Whoopi, it was Payout Rape

When the ladies of The View discussed the latest allegations, Whoopi once again went on a rambling, nonsensical diatribe that left the rest of the panel befuddled and totally unsure how to best respond.

Whoopi is what's keeping The View watchable with her cray antics. I like how she's not adhering to one viewpoint like Joy, Whoopi can be un-p.c. and that's a rarity in network tv today.

The MRA water boys posting here are amusing. Not one of these rapists is going to let you suck his cock for defending him, losers.

Asking Whoopi to weigh in about a rape accusation against a celebrity is always a brilliant idea.

If it was rape, then shame on him, I just don't believe you go back to your rapist for more sex.

It is possible they both are telling the truth from their own perspectives. Matt thinks he is a stud getting anal from a woman who does not indicate to him at the time or until much later she had issues with it. Miss Nevils decided to allow him to be deluded.

Matt wouldn’t like to admit to himself he forced someone as he likely saw himself as a great prize. He may well be an egotistical pig thinking women will do anything for him. Unfortunately both of their behavior after this one admittedly drunken evening makes it complicated for outsiders to decipher.

A straight female friend once told me while drunk that her husband and all of the men she has seriously dated since their divorce have asked for anal at some point in the relationship. It’s not as uncommon as some sheltered delicate flowers would like to think.

[quote]he just raped her lube-free, which led to days of bleeding

Well, we know *that's* not true. He's not big enough to do that much damage. It would have been more like someone's pinkie finger being inserted into her ass.

Meredith Vierra is one smart pizzelle.

Does this mean ex-wife Annette has been butt-fucked? You're a kinky slut, Annette. To think that you act so sweet and demure in public.

The 'ole "I've had six shots of vodka therefore any man who I personally choose to have sex with is raping me because he should know better than to have buttsex with a drunk whore and my fee is retroactively a seven-figure buyout."

R123 I’ve always said it was the ol’ “I’m chugging a bottle of Malibu on the way to the frat mixer and I can not wait to get some big chocolate football dick, until I wake next to A BLACK in the morning and my Jungle Fever turns to RAPE!!!”

[quote] A straight female friend once told me while drunk that her husband and all of the men she has seriously dated since their divorce have asked for anal at some point in the relationship.

Why is this supposed to be shocking? I'm not talking about the accusation of rape; I'm talking about straight couples in general having anal sex. I just don't find this as horrifying as some of you do.

That was my point, r125. The furor is focused on anal sex - Matt Lauer did THAT to her; ergo he is a doubly horrible person. It is presented as being much worse than vaginal or oral sex, and designed to make Lauer look worse publicly.

No woman wants anal sex without lube and to bleed for days after. Gross. Lauer is an ego driven pig who should die already.

She took a $1m+ for sex, she’s essentially a Hooker.

Also narcissists *always * believe the victim wants them. I am sure Trump thinks the same damn thing.

R127 nothing can be verified since she waited THREE YEARS to say anything. Clearly her sphincter was in tip-top shape long before.

[quote]he had a history of inappropriate behavior

That doesn't make him a rapist. We get it, you don't like Matt Lauer. Fine. He can rub people the wrong way and be douchey. Big whoop. But if you look at this situation logically, based on the information we have, this chick was not raped. It was an affair that went south and this is her revenge. This is a plot for The Guiding Light, complete fiction.

[quote]The only relevant question you should ask yourself here is, do you believe he raped this woman based on her account of that night and his previous conduct.

And my answer is no. Because just the same way her previous conduct (drunken slutty home wrecker) should not be taken into consideration when listening to her claims of rape, HIS previous pervy or harassment conduct should not play any role either. Rape is difficult to prove because of that since it’s on an isolated case basis and there need to be witnesses or same-day physical damage corroborated by medical personnel (rape kit) for a victim’s account to be credible and not a 0he said she said” accusation.

I think her case is weak and I don’t believe her. However, large companies like NBC will rather settle with the alleged victim than fight her in court and receive awful publicity for it.

When I used to work for Royal Caribbean, this happened frequently enough (guests v. employees as well as employees v. employees), and many times, the company had pockets deep enough to settle and just make it go away, knowing that land juries would never understand cruise ship human dynamics .

Hence we were never permitted to be in any closed confines alone with guests - this meant elevators, saunas, jacuzzis, ... and housekeeping or room service personnel were required to maintain doors open at all times when working in them. In a situation where you handle 60,000+ guests per week, there are bound to be a handful of professional lawsuit friendly accusers looking for the next big payout.

If I ran CNN, I would offer Matt a million dollar one-year contract contingent upon him opening every single show with, “I’m Matt Lauer, and I’m an ass raper,” and ending every show with “Remember: I’m Matt Lauer and I’m an ass raper. Good night.”

If you judge the SINGLE situation fairly, it’s pure “he said, she said.”

"Maybe you learn some empathy."

Oh, please, you sound like fucking Jenny Fields. I have tons of empathy for a woman raped -- but an ongoing sleazy affair way way outside of the office does not qualify as a MeToo moment, even if the male is famous. This is the shit that undermines your "movement" so don't bitch when we roll our eyes the next time a faux rape occurs (and, sadly, real rape victims will no doubt suffer as a result).

Some of you people are just fucking nuts.

[quote]Who cares about Matt Lauer? Why doesn't Ronan investigate the rape accusations against Trump?

Because the media (NBC, NYT, New Yorker) still need access to the White House, so they won't rock too many boats. And its easy for the media to punch down on already disgraced men. They're an easy target.

She's an obvious fraud. Matt should sue her for slander.

Thank you R131. Just because someone had a history of bad behavior doesn't mean they're a rapist. Lauer's accusations were about him being a creep, pussy hound and sexual harasser.

Usually I believe stories like these, but when they follow $1M payouts and she was shopping around for a book deal....

Returning for more is clearly CONSENT. Unless some of you want to continue the bizarre portrayal of women as infantile puppies who can't be held responsible for their actions. puke.

[quote]All men are pigs.

And all women are weaklings.

I'd rather be a pig, to be honest.

As for this case - I can buy that Lauer is a predator on the basis of previous allegations against him. But no victim voluntarily comes back for more sex with her rapist. Spare me the psychobabble. This is a typical case of a slut regretting slutting around.

Yeah writing about Matt Lauer is punching down

[R140] I’m a woman and I hate this shit that women are these bruised dainty damaged people. She should’ve clocked him upside the head if he was trying to rape her. Are we going back to Victorian times?

Thank you, R143. You are not alone on this.

You just don't go back and continue to sleep with them if it initiated as rape. If you do then you lose your right to claim rape afterwards. It negates the original crime.

I know Lauer is awful but I don't believe this woman's story. Sounds to me like it was a consensual relationship. They had sex many times. I think she's full of shit.

[quote]sexual addict

Oh dear!, r23

Lauer’s kids are going to be having a bad day at school tomorrow.

[quote] The only relevant question you should ask yourself here is, do you believe he raped this woman based on her account of that night and his previous conduct.

I don't think [bold]you're[/bold] the judge of what relevant questions [bold]any[/bold] of us need to ask ourselves, Miss Bossy. We think for ourselves.

I know more than a few women who would have stomped Matt into a grease spot on the carpet had he even given a whiff of an inclination to force anal, oral or otherwise. Something doesn't seem right about continuing the affair and/or cashing the check. But I'm not prepared to call her out as a liar. What a nightmare.

[quote] I really hope you spend some time in prison some day and the man who violently rapes you laughs in your face while you lay on your stomach screaming in pain.

Oh, orderlies, please bring a sedative over here quickly... I'm afraid one of the patients has jumped the train tracks again.

What a bunch of fucking trolls on this threat. Keep defending a known abuser. Whatever. Not worth my time.

Can we stop with the "but is it rape rape" joke? Maybe it was funny years ago but it has been repeated so much on here that it is now stale and tiresome. Stop it.

Matt Lauer is hot. He can have anal sex with me any time he wants. I'll host.

you know, R154, I used to think he was hot. I THINK I saw him a zillion years ago when he was hosting a local NY talk show or local news.. and my college was visiting.

But honestly, being butt fucked when you say no and no lube and it hurts so much you bleed and this guy is kinda your boss and he can get you fired and you're in the middle of it all and you realize all he cares about is getting himself off?

Hard pass.

R155 are you her lawyer?

She had the most non-raped reaction to a rape that I've ever heard of. I just can't imagine telling a rapist that I liked it and coming back for more. I don't understand that at all.

R157 Because she regretted it, hence it's justified as rape in her mind

Thank you, R154. I can’t believe it took that many replies to point out that for bottoms on this site, we would be so lucky. Talk about pearls before swine.

I'm sure that it happens, but, do guys who are hot and can get most women they want really feel the need/desire to rape some unfortunate looking woman? He's rich, charming, and attractive. It just doesn't all add up.

When he was done with the affair, he ghosted her. He acknowledges this.

Getting dumped and ghosted pissed her off. She's looking for some money to soothe her wounded ego.

What a mess. Lauer is scum but I don't understand going back for more until you are ghosted and then calling it rape. Are there individuals who are so traumatized by rape they want to keep having sex with the rapist until that rapist ends the relationship?

I think this came up w another rape case that Canadian broadcaster... the women were raped but kept seeing him. But again one thing to have planned anal sex w lube, but unplanned w no lube, that was rape.

SHE WENT BACK FOR MORE.

Again and again and again.

And he wouldn't leave his wife for her, so she got bitter.

Full stop.

She did say that she thought the four-bean empanada she devoured in her drunken stupor would perhaps provide a slip-n-slide colon-plunging, insertive love-making experience with the morning talk show host.

But since it was a rather messy, embarrassing fart-laden event - Lauer was charged a cleaning fee for the virginal ingenue's projectile fecal spin-art resembling early Pollack.

I think given the pushback this story is getting just on this site alone, I would expect it will get lots of skepticism on the rest of the Internet in the days ahead.

For whatever reason (probably having to do with his anger against his father), Ronan Farrow is trying to make a career out of all this, and he is presenting all these cases as if they're all clear cut. And some of them are, like Weinstein's. But some of them are not, and this one is not. I think it's an enormous mistake, not just legally but also ethically, to approach all claims of rape as if the person accused must necessarily be guilty because of an accusation. I'm not willing to make that jump.

[quote] It's called denial.

Lol — in Callout-Land, when someone says something is “called” something, trust me honey, that’s as far from the truth as it’s possible to get!

How humiliating ‚for his kids — he said in a public statement that he had "vaginal sex, oral sex and anal sex" with a woman who wasn't their mother.

Was this really necessary?

Fact is, some of this is sour grapes on Ronan Farrow's part.

He had a daily show on MSNBC, it got canceled, he got reassigned to NBC to do reports for the Today show (when he could have just been fired), and he didn't get the exposure he was promised there. (Again, he could have just been fired outright.)

So, like the non-raped non-employee of the Today show, he got bitter.

Wow, that letter he wrote was shocking. As are the allegations. The problem is his credibility is shot.

Farrow is a privileged White boy being given public platforms and a lot of money to work out his myriad personal issues. One has to wonder why.

A victim of rape goes to the police or to a therapist, they DO NOT GO to Ronan Farrow

r171

Fuck you with your racist bullshit

So Matt Lauer only had an affair with this woman with consensual sex and only after he abruptly ended it and ghosted her did she suddenly get angry and pissed and made up the rape part, right? Three years later during the "metoo"-movement, she suddenly decided to report him to HR. She had no witnesses, no evidence of this incident, never pressed charges, no police report, did not go to the press and it was just an allegation. A typical "he said, she said" situation like many here pointed out.

So why did NBC give her a million dollar payout if this was just an allegation from an angry woman over a failed affair? Who btw wasn't even a NBC employee. Why didn't they ask her to sign a non disclosure agreement and just move on? Why did NBC chose to fire their top anchor a few days later over an unproven allegation from an angry woman without any evidence? Why did Matt Lauer just accept his firing and not fight this in court if he was an innocent man who just had an extramarital affair with a vicious woman? I mean we're not talking about some random employee here. We're talking about Matt Lauer, NBC's top anchor for many, many years with a $25 million yearly salary. Do you just fire someone like that over an unproven allegation or an extramarital affair?

Weird. Maybe I'm stupid and someone can explain this to me.

[quote] How humiliating ‚for his kids — he said in a public statement that he had "vaginal sex, oral sex and anal sex" with a woman who wasn't their mother

***GASPS***

She must be pretty messed up in the head.

But c'mon, have you seen her...she ain't great looking, she was probably starved for cock.

How many women has he fucked? Did he use a condom? I wonder if he gave any of the STDs. Disgusting. His kids must be so proud.

Would you like to be a preteen and have your dad issue a press statement about how he fucked a woman in the ass while he was married to your mother, R174?

As a woman, I find if very difficult to understand the part where she went back and had sex with him a couple more times. If some asshole raped me the only way I'd go back is with a gun. It might be different if they had been a long term couple who lived together or married or something where there was some longterm established relationship where this shocking behavior went against everything that they knew about the man for years, etc., and the woman was in some confused state of shock and had to share a house and kids, etc. But, she was his recent side piece whom he violently raped to the point of injuring her. Why the fuck would she ever be in his presence again? It makes no sense no matter who you try to explain it away.

[quote]do guys who are hot and can get most women they want really feel the need/desire to rape some unfortunate looking woman? He's rich, charming, and attractive. It just doesn't all add up.

Rich, charming, and attractive rapists exist. They are driven to coerce people. They're sadists-- consensual sex doesn't do it for them.

R173, interesting points.

Believe there's more to the story with Lauer. And what we are aware of is the tip of the iceberg.

It was common knowledge that Lauer's sexual exploits were well-known in NY circles. His wife even publicly confronted one of his many work paramours at a gathering years ago.

With this reputation, it is certain that NBC was well-aware of the situation; covering, if not tacitly supporting their star player. As Farrow notes, there was/is evidence of shenanigans (even boss Andy Lack is suspected of sexual issues), and as #MeToo accelerated with Weinstein collapsing and Farrow persistent at reputable The New Yorker, NBC was likely backed into a corner. Rather than face an avalanche of complicit accusations, they ousted Lauer on the basis of the Sochi incident.

Colleagues and the network quickly then got ahead of the story by breaking it and alternating between (faux?) shock and sadness.

Will be interesting to see how Ronan's book impacts NBC. He continues to believe NBC wished to Catch and Kill the Weinstein story due to their own #MeToo tendencies. There may be blowback for NBC as his book and press tour circulates. Once again, though, NBC is attempting to get ahead of this by announcing it on their morning show with a mix of (faux?) indignation, support for Viera's producer, and denial of their complicity.

[quote]I really hope you spend some time in prison some day and the man who violently rapes you laughs in your face while you lay on your stomach screaming in pain.

To make your comparison stick, the person laying on their stomach screaming in pain would then have to go find the rapist who attacked them and voluntarily have sex with them a bunch more times. Sound plausible to you?

there are those who'll believe he's innocent and those who'll believe he's guilty.

But everyone will think of his dick getting covered in shit and blood when he had anal intercourse sans rubber and sans lube

We should start publicly castrating these fuckers. Line them up and whack it off. Bet the number of men pulling this shit goes down fast.

R173, as stated previously by a Royal Caribbean example (see r132) a lot of your questions can be answered with the ol’ standard - avoidance of bad PR ... and don’t think PR companies don’t play a huge role in these settlement decisions. But I agree with you that she should have been gagged (pardon the poor choice of words and no pun intended) as part of her settlement conditions.

[quote]To make your comparison stick, the person laying on their stomach screaming in pain would then have to go find the rapist who attacked them and voluntarily have sex with them a bunch more times. Sound plausible to you?

For those of us who have not experience this, R180, this does sound incredulous.

Apparently, though, it is well-know in psychological and therapeutic circles that those involved in (sexual) abuse can develop Stockholm syndrome where they return and engage in a continued dynamic with the abuser. This abusee-abuser cycle is often not appreciated or understood by the participants themselves as they engage this pattern. It is especially pronounced in a power under-power over dynamic (such as a boss-employee versus an employee-employee situation) which is a feature of sexual assault.

R184, that's why in my earlier post I said it would be more understandable if they had had a long term relationship or been married or living together. Then something like a Stockholm syndrome thing might have taken place. But, that is far from the case here. She had no reason to be in his presence.

[Quote] As a woman, I find if very difficult to understand the part where she went back and had sex with him a couple more times. If some asshole raped me the only way I'd go back is with a gun.

You find this difficult to understand? Really? What about the abuse victims whose husbands or boyfriends regularly beat the shit out of them and then hop right into the next taxi at the hospital to bring them straight back to their abusers. Or the women who live with alcoholics for years and years and simply can not leave their abusers. Women or children who were sexually abused and go back to their perpetrators again and again knowing very well the abuse will happen again. Why didn't all these small boys who were raped by Catholic priests just stay away after the first abuse? Or immediately tell their parents what happened? Or go back with a gun and shoot them? Why do they go back? Again and again?

Difficult to understand? Yes, because we have no experience with abuse and don't know what goes on in a abuse victim's mind. So maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt and not judge them so harshly like people do on this thread.

[quote]She had no reason to be in his presence.

Did they not work together?

And while I do not pretend to understand the complexities of sexual assault, I do believe situations of rape ARE complex.

Whatever the unusual dynamics of their relationship, he was in a position of hierarchical power. She did not give consent. It was certainly muddied with alcohol and questions regarding their relationship: both professionally and personally.

But still, saying no in a sexual encounter and going beyond that no.....is assault. It is not consensual.

There is something going on if NBC-25-million-dollar-star-Matt Lauer was fired from a consensual affair overnight.

R186, way to prove you didn't bother to read my post past the first two sentences. Might want to do that in the future before you start your ranting.

R187, I don't think they worked together. They both worked for NBC but not with each other to the point where she had to see him. She had no reason to be in his presence. She should have killed him in that hotel room but instead she went back to fuck him some more and she had to go out of her way to do it. That's not what trauma victims who have no prior relationship with their attacker do.

R188, wasn't it reported that she sat in meetings with the NBC morning show team? And that everyone there knew who she was after it was announced that she was "the Sochi accuser". So much so that she had to then leave also?

He worked for NBC. She worked for NBC. There was however a power differential. She stated she went to HR at NBC.

No R188, as r187 stated they met at work and continued to have a working relationship after the incident. So she could not just avoid him. You're just a dumb person who has no idea what you're talking about and should not make assumptions about rape victims or their motives.

[quote] That's not what trauma victims who have no prior relationship with their attacker do.

I've worked in many emergency rooms. And have been shocked at what trauma victims do.

Pretty presumptuous, R188, to state YOU know exactly what trauma victims do.

R190, you're making assumptions about the rape victim that go against all logic and all actions of victims of rape. He supposedly violently raped her and she took a few days and then decided to fuck him a bunch more times? And, she's not claiming those other times were rape. If she made a list of all the times they had sex, would she literally go 'Yeah, that time was rape. Those two were fine. That next time, though, a little rape-y." It's ridiculous. I'd be all on her side if she'd killed the bastard after the first time but she didn't. She decided to fuck him some more by SEEKING HIM OUT.

R191, you don't know either but human nature does dictate certain things. One of those things is that you don't seek out intimate situations with your fucking rapist if you don't have to be in their presence for any reason. You certainly don't pursue more sexual relations with your fucking rapist. Her story will fall apart over the next few days but enjoy your ranting from on high.

[quote]Women or children who were sexually abused and go back to their perpetrators again and again knowing very well the abuse will happen again.

Children are powerless and easily manipulated. I think a lot of people struggle to understand why an adult victim of sexual assault who does not have an established relationship with her assailant would return to that person on multiple occasions to make herself vulnerable to painful and traumatic sexual assaults. Asia Argento alleged that Harvey Weinstein raped her and she went on to have an affair with him, so there may very well be some sort of traumatic bonding happening in these situations.

[Quote][R173], as stated previously by a Royal Caribbean example (see [R132]) a lot of your questions can be answered with the ol’ standard - avoidance of bad PR ...

Yes, defending an employee over assault allegations is bad PR and a settlement often a better option. But suddenly firing your top anchor was a lot worse though and you do not fire someone like Matt Lauer if the allegations were bogus and unfounded. They decided to fire him AND pay her settlement. I doubt they would shell out a million bucks if her allegations were totallt unfounded and they already fired Layer.

[Quote] I think a lot of people struggle to understand why an adult victim of sexual assault who does not have an established relationship with her assailant would return to that person on multiple occasions to make herself vulnerable to painful and traumatic sexual assaults.

Yes, you and other people may struggle to understand this and it doesn't make sense, but it still happens and victims willingly go back to their perpetrators even if they don't have an established relationship with that person (which this woman did, she worked with him before and continued to work with him after the incident). Rape and assault is a traumatic experience that does not follow logic or reason. Just because you don't understand it, does not mean it doesn't happen. You obviously have never been assaulted so please stop making assumptions how victims should behave or react in this situation.

"And DL was convinced he was gay"

No, DL was not convinced. You're so full of shit.

R195, what percent chance do you think there is that she is lying?

I want to suck Matt Lauer's cock. Verification of sizemeat?

I believe Lauer raped her. However, why did she go back to him time and again for consensual sex? Why? What kind of hold did her have over her?

[quote]What a bunch of fucking trolls on this threat. Keep defending a known abuser. Whatever. Not worth my time.

Besides the alleged rape which was just learned yesterday, where are the abuse allegations? He had affairs, he isn't accused of physically hurting anyone.

[quote] How humiliating ‚for his kids — he said in a public statement that he had "vaginal sex, oral sex and anal sex" with a woman who wasn't their mother. Was this really necessary?

He is now and forever labeled a rapist. He is defending himself.

We always assumed that Matt is a homosexual.

How strange to hear all these stinkfish tales!

Daddy Matt and his kids.

Matt the Stud

However, most homosexuals DO marry fish and DO fuck fish!

[quote]you don't know either but human nature does dictate certain things.

Sometimes. But not always. Especially in the face of trauma and abuse. All rules of "dictating" human nature fly out the window in some of these circumstances.

[quote]One of those things is that you don't seek out intimate situations with your fucking rapist if you don't have to be in their presence for any reason.

You seem to REPEATEDLY miss the point that Lauer and the producer Interacted. At. NBC. Together. After. The. Sochi. Event.

[quote] [R186], way to prove you didn't bother to read my post past the first two sentences. Might want to do that in the future before you start your ranting.

[quote] R191 Her story will fall apart over the next few days but enjoy your ranting from on high.

• "you don't know either" that "her story will fall apart over the next few weeks". Again that's a significant (and bizarre) presumption.

• you assert that several posters are "ranting", R192, but indeed it comes across as YOU ranting.

r30 the "glib" thing still make me giggle.

Was she drunk at the time?

Ronan needs to focus on taking down Trump, new accusations about him with women are coming out all the time

First of all, that woman is the definition of "unfortunate looking".

Second, ML is a pig. Goes without saying. But no one, NO ONE gets raped up the butt, bleeds for days and then does not get medical attention. Are there medical reports?

Lastly, no one, NO ONE goes back to the rapist for ANY reason following such a painful ordeal, much less for sex. That is pathological. Lauer's letter IS, as she claims today, victim shaming. But she is no victim.

"As a woman..."

Well, a woman has spoken. Let's end this thread right now.

Discussion over.

This is petty funny:

Brooke Nevels "I’m not the chick from the news. Peace and blessings."

False equivalence r186. She was not married to, dependent on, had blood ties or worked for Matt Lauer. I find it hard to believe he had any controlling power over her (her career did not depend on his judgement whatsoever).

Cue the rant on how I don’t understand what it is like to be raped.

And, yes, I was molested, which was wrong of my perpetrator. Especially since I enjoyed it, because he groomed me and was very nice and never assaulted me or caused me pain. I just happened to be 10 years old.

Full disclosure so you can really go on a rant now.

Metoo has been inappropriately adopted by those who exchanged sex for career advancement . When the career of their dreams didn't appear, they say they have been metood. I was inclined to believe the victim because I can not stand the guy, until I read the details. Inappropriate relationship? Yes. Rape, coercion? No.

You got the job because you put out. Others, who do not put out were overlooked for a high paying , high profile position

R211. Matt Lauer was one of the top dogs in the office and a national celebrity. It’s easy for me to see why anybody junior could think that looking the wrong way at him, let alone telling him to get lost, would be a disastrous move. I can also see why she could be manipulated into agreeing to more sex after the initial encounter. But I can also see that he being the big macho dog having multiple affairs could dismiss her version of events as being untrue.

Remember all this happened before metoo when the pigs were getting away with anything and complaints were futile or career damaging

Tiki Barber, married at the time, lost a big time gig because he was fucking an intern. Don't. Fuck. The. Interns.

No, r215. The rape allegations happened days ago. Please get your facts straight. The events happened years ago, so did Weinstein, Cosby, et al.

Lauer has been trying to rehabilitate his image, he is finished.

[quote] Second, ML is a pig. Goes without saying. But no one, NO ONE gets raped up the butt, bleeds for days and then does not get medical attention. Are there medical reports?

NO ONE, R208? Tell that to the three different patients seen over the years who experienced massive rectal bleeding and did not show up to the hospital until they almost died. One waited weeks. Shame and fear can prevent many from presenting to medical authorities. Shame. Fear. Powerful motivators.

[quote] Lauer has been trying to rehabilitate his image, he is finished.

Looking that way, eh R218? And Ronan's book has 't even been released yet. Farrow's work has resulted in repercussions previously. Will be interesting to see what follows. Especially in light of what one early reviewer noted: its impact is as significant as Bad Blood was for Theranos.

No r217, the rape happened in 2014 and she reported him to NBC HR in 2017. He was also fired in 2017 and as far as I know she did not talk to the press before but everyone at NBC knew who she was. She only talked to Farrow about her experience for his upcoming book.

Again, we don't know what really happened, but I doubt NBC would fire a top tier celebrity like Lauer over some unfounded allegations from only one woman or just a "he said, she said" situation. I bet there were a ton of other complaints from other women, text messages, witnesses or whatever.

Also did Lauer go to court and fight this? An innocent man would definitely fight for his job and reputation. No? Even Cosby and Weinstein all immediately lawyered up and denied the allegations, but Matt Lauer did not even sue this woman for defamation or NBC for firing him and losing a $25 million/year job for "perfect and consensual sexual encounters". Come on y'all, Lauer is not an innocent victim here.

[quote]But no victim voluntarily comes back for more sex with her rapist. Spare me the psychobabble.

You many consider this psychobabble, but psychiatrists say that one of the many different ways different human beings react to sexual trauma is to try to convince themselves that what happened was okay – sometimes, by continuing the relationship with their abuser. It's basically pretending that you weren't violated because your mind just can't deal with it. I have no idea what the reality of this situation is, but "this can't be true because I'd never react that way" is rarely a worthy analysis.

To paraphrase Uncle Joe Biden here, I think you should go with your gut. You all might have better sex lives than me but both Lauer and Brooke’s description of what occurred is waaaay beyond the standard first night action. I really doubt she consented in her own mind. .... but then we are into the Rashomon situation of some sexual assaults.

Don't let your dislike of Matt Lauer cloud your judgment between what is rape and what is revenge.

This chick, as Matt says, worked for Meredith. She was a part of MV's team. Matt had no supervisory role in her employment. She may have been collecting an NBC paycheck, but MV directed her day to day responsibilities. Matt had his team and Meredith had her's. Matt couldn't get that girl fired. I'm a director, if another director in another department wanted to fire my assistant, it wouldn't happen. Matt, as powerful as he was, couldn't dictate who was hired and fired on Meredith's staff.

As to why NBC paid her off? Because it was easier than dealing with a nuisance suit. Many people get paid off every day to just go away. Plus, if other women had made harassment allegations against Matt, NBC may have felt that it was just easier to get rid of him.

Also, if you remember back to 2016, NBC and Matt Lauer had a long contract renegotiation, with some outlets reporting that NBC was thinking of letting him go because he was too expensive. Then GMA started to challenge Today for ratings dominance and the NBC execs caved and gave Matt a new and very lucrative contract.

This whole thing is nasty and there are no heroes here. Matt Lauer is a slut and a bad husband and a bad debate moderator, but I just don't believe he's a rapist. However, I do think this woman was a scorned lover who who wanted revenge after being ghosted.

Well stated R221.

There are quite a few incomprehensible ways humans deal with significant abuse or trauma. And many side-eye this as they do other responses such as dissociative (multiple personality disorders), fugue (selective memory loss), and psychosomatic (seizures/documented physical response) states.

One of the more interesting phenomena I observed was a patient with dissociative disorder who would clinically have different physical parameters when inhabiting different personalities. Even blood chemistry results were different for the different personas (e.g. one personality had diabetes while all others did not).

Matt may not have been able to fire her but she might have thought he could. Also he could sure bad mouth her (no pun intended).

[quote]This chick, as Matt says, worked for Meredith. She was a part of MV's team. Matt had no supervisory role in her employment. She may have been collecting an NBC paycheck, but MV directed her day to day responsibilities. Matt had his team and Meredith had her's. Matt couldn't get that girl fired. I'm a director, if another director in another department wanted to fire my assistant, it wouldn't happen. Matt, as powerful as he was, couldn't dictate who was hired and fired on Meredith's staff.

That may have been your directorial experience, R223, but directors are not a One Size Fits All for EVERY corporation or business. Some have varying degrees of say or sway. And Lauer reportedly had surprisingly unusual amounts of say or sway given his public profile and perceived celebrity attractor status at NBC. Just ask Ann Curry, Katie Couric, Natalie Moralies, Jeff Zucker, Andy Lack, and Harvey Weinstein.

You are correct R226. However, I would find it odd if he was telling MV who she could have on her staff or not. But, again, you're right. Every place is different.

Whatever happened between them, NBC decided it was significant enough to abruptly fire the star of their morning show AND give her a million dollar payout (usually they pay off women to stay quiet and go away silently so they do NOT have to fire their star).

We really don't know much about this woman which is why her pattern of behavior with Matt Lauer is impossible to understand. We all have our own personal histories that follow us wherever we go. It is highly unlikely that all her troubles started on the day she met Matt Lauer.

As has been pointed out above, it is more than extremely unusual for anyone outside of a marriage, family, or other established dependent relationship to continue interacting with a perpetrator guilty of all that this young woman has alleged. But we don't know any of her past experiences or how they may have traumatized her or otherwise affected her development. She seems to start out making a lot of poor choices. When a man invites a woman to his hotel room, there is no ambiguity in the mind of a healthy and well-adjusted person. The implications are clear. To miss them or to ignore them suggests a serious problem.

Then there is Lauer's ghosting of her. It suggests that she was getting messy, difficult to handle and not worth the risk to his family and career. If so, it is now clear he was right about that. He is very experienced in extra-marital affairs. If he thought that ghosting was the best way to end it, perhaps it was.

If you serial fuck a married man with small children, he is a mess and you're a mess, too. He is responsible for a mountain of damage. But she is, too. Her horrible behavior has undoubtedly damaged his children in ways that will be long lasting. She had no right to do that. She knew he was married. She knew he had young children. She ignored all those people. She owed his young children, not to mention his wife, much better behavior, from the start of this affair up until today.

Ronan Farrow is the product of equally self-absorbed and irresponsible behavior on the parts of his mother and both of his two potential fathers. This is not generally a topic about which he can be objective. To drop it all into the milieu of fame, fortune, and show biz amounts of money, means it is impossible for him to be objective about any aspect of this story. Writing this book is just another layer of self-indulgent and self-absorbed behavior in a story that is already rife with it.

Feh.

You are completely right R229 she is the real one to blame here. Just some fucked up young woman who thoughtlessly caused huge damage to Matt’s kids. And Ronan isn’t actually a ground breaking and courageous journalist but also just another fucked up casualty causing gratuitous damage to great men and their families.

Sorry, I believe Matt

R230, why are you focused on laying blame? Tell us about that, please. Why is blame important to you?

R224 I've just seen a patient with bipolar disorder, PTSD, substance abuse disorder, and dissociative personality disorder two days ago. She had a background of abuse and rape both as a child and as an adult. She's stabilized on meds and therapy now,I diagnosed her with PTSD a couple of years ago and it's like night and day with the right combination of treatment.

I have others patients with history of trauma including abuse and rape. From my experience with these patients, and I'll limit them to the female ones, I've not come across one who willingly went back to their rapist for more sex and to further engage them in romantic relationships. I did have one patient, a female prison inmate (I worked at the jail psych for a few years too) who continued a relationship with her pimp because he was also the father of her son, she had no support besides him and was too fucked up on drugs at that time. Most of my patients with PTSD and who have history of being raped, they mostly describe their rape in traumatic terms. Some try to block out the pain by engaging in risky behavior such as drugs, alcohol, and being sexually promiscuous. Others shut down by engaging in avoidance behavior, I had a couple of patients who avoided certain situations and even people because those triggers were so strong.

This case is a classic she said/ he said, and since we don't have forensic evidence to go by, we can only make judgements that are based upon facts and totality of evidence, which here consists of actions and behavior. Could the rape have happened? Yes of course, the woman's behavior was very atypical but could we dismiss it outright? No, so let's just leave that out as neutral. Next comes the sequence of events that we can gauge as facts: She waited until 3 years after the rape to accuse him and it was also after he ghosted her. They had engaged in a consensual relationship during this span of time, including immediate period following the violent anal rape. This is where the first glimmer of implausibility comes through. Victims of violent rapes do not usually seek out more sexual encounters with their rapists, but she did and she went on to pursue (which she succeeded) a relationship with ML. This doesn't follow common sense or the normal course of human behavior, and say what you would about human behavior, but we mostly (but not all times) follow a natural pattern of behavior. This set of behavior often get picked apart during criminal trials, for instance flight/ fleeing from something is highly indicative of guilt, so on and so forth.

So what to make of this case? For me at this juncture, I'm less inclined to believe her due to her course of actions after the alleged rape. This has no bearing on whether or not I like or dislike ML; for the record I think he was a pig and I was happy when he got fired, but mostly for the way he propped up Trump while grilling HC relentlessly at the debate. So fuck ML. However, for me to believe that the rape occurred, I'd have to suspend belief about the woman's atypical actions and behavior (yes, atypical doesn't mean it never happens). But she wasn't some street hustler who had no choice and no support, who had to go back to her rapist. She actually engaged in a consensual relationship with ML and never said anything about supposed rape until he dumped her. There's your motive for making up a rape story if we're looking at the totality of things. Rapists sometimes have a history of sexual violence, and as far as I know, ML has only been accused of rape by the many women he'd fucked over the years. So more evidence (or lack of) in his favor.

We're like the jury here, we're making our judgements based upon facts, our own experiences, bullshit meter, among other factors. There is no right or wrong in how you judge this case IMO. I've just put forth the reasons why I'm more inclined to believe ML, that a rape never occurred, but I'm also willing to allow that the truth may never come out and this is exactly what happens in a she said/ he said scenario.

[quote]You are completely right [R229] she is the real one to blame here. Just some fucked up young woman who thoughtlessly caused huge damage to Matt’s kids. And Ronan isn’t actually a ground breaking and courageous journalist but also just another fucked up casualty causing gratuitous damage to great men and their families.

Of course, Lauer, had nothing to do with this denouement. He's been suffering in a "shelter of silence" ever since. So, so sad for this "great man and his family".

Poor, poor Matt. Or should we say rich, rich Matt?

This woman is a screwball, and I think she believes she was raped regardless of what happened after. I don't care.

The issue for me is that Matt Lauer is pathological. Remember the one he fucked, she passed out and he left her on the floor? This guy is not just a "sex addict," he's dangerous. If the Brooke Nevils part of Ronan Farrow's book can get other women to come out, especially one who was raped in the traditional sense, I'd LOVE to see Lauer be arrested, tried and locked up.

I think it's entirely possible that he did rape her, but then that she tried to turn it into a positive by seeing him again thinking it would help her career (or prevent him from damaging it?).

Situations aren't always black and white, though for sure ML is a POS.

He raped her and she kept coming back for more. Was the second sexual encounter--the one she entered into willingly--also rape? How about the third one? The fourth one?

What would it be called if Matt had dumped his wife and married this woman and they had sex on their wedding night? Would that be rape too? Or is it only called rape because Matt was married to another woman?

Are there married women walking around among us who married their rapists and remain rape victims years and years after their first sexual encounter with their rapist because like Ms Nevis, they were too scared to ever say No?

R237 = doesn't understand the meaning of consent

Great point R235. This discussion focusing on the he said/she said can distract from the larger perspective of a pattern of behaviour that is concerning. And as you say, dangerous. Lauer does not have a great track record with his treatment of women. (See Curry, Ann; Morales, Natalie; Clinton, Hiliary). Even some of his interviews could be construed as predatory. Remember his interview with Ann Hathaway? And wasn't there something involving JLo? These are women who could have been considered his celebrity peers. Imagine what he could be like with less feted staff?

And the reported rape of another staffer in his office was astonishing. He left her on the floor afterwards and then had his secretary transport her to medical care.

Wow.

Stay tuned.

Oh, and his rebuttal letter yesterday was not exculpatory.

If anything, it was pretty grotesque.

Par for the course?

This is not a story of a woman scorned. Or a woman who regrets what she did. And it doesn't matter, if she subsequently entered into consensual relationship with him. And I question if it were truly consensual. Brooke Nevils says that she had more than a few drinks that night. Her judgment was impaired, therefore she was unable to consent to anything with him. In her description of the events leading up to the encounter in his hotel room she paints a picture of Lauer as a predator, planning this out ("playfully" stealing her ID in order to get her into his room, i.e. under his control). Any "consensual" sex between them after this is colored by the first encounter. Add to it, producer or not, she's an underling. Her career at NBC was in his hands. That's not a consensual affair.

It disgusts me. I really liked Matt Lauer from his days on the local news to his hosting of The Today Show. He's a sexual predator. He preyed on this woman in Sochi, and he continued to prey on her afterwards.

[R237] = doesn't understand the meaning of consent

Yes. Many men have that problem. Perhaps more so gay men; their physical dynamics are more balanced. (Women are usually smaller and often cannot deter unwarranted physical interactions.)

This thread is a real eye opener. One of the many reasons I love data lounge is that it’s one of the few places left where you can indulge in a bit of low level misogyny. So I fucking hate having to take a feminist position. But yes you can be raped and yet still agree to more sex (for psychological reasons or because of power imbalances). Her account of what happened on their first night certainly seems credible as there are not that many women who agree to rough (no lube) anal on their first ‘date”. And yes by the way women do go to men’s hotel rooms without necessarily thinking that it’s an invitation to sex.

[quote] And yes by the way women do go to men’s hotel rooms without necessarily thinking that it’s an invitation to sex.

Just the dumb ones, R243. Just the dumb ones.

Lauter is a scapegoat. Like Franken. Like Weinstein. Like Levine. The mob can demonize and villify them and feel superior, that they've DONE something to expose the scourge, and society is now a better place.

Meanwhile, all those sexual predators who know that they will never be exposed, because after all, the mob has its scapegoats, continue on harassing and preying on women. And smile at the stupidity and gullibility of the mob.

[quote]yes by the way women do go to men’s hotel rooms without necessarily thinking that it’s an invitation to sex.

R243 wins this month's DL award for the most audaciously naive post.

The discussions I’m hearing in real life (not the DL) are all focusing on the anal aspect of this. As though that proves Matt Lauer is a rapist. From a gay perspective what I’m hearing is anti-anal sex (heterosexual, but by extension homosexual). This allegation is designed to work up the public. Don’t for one minute think any talking heads are going to say anal sex between consenting adults is fine. In this case it might have been between two alcohol-impaired adults but the message is loud and clear: a man wanting anal sex should be punished.

A man wanting anal can come to my house.

Vaginal sex can hurts the male shoves it in, anal sex more so.

[quote]the message is loud and clear: a man wanting anal sex should be punished.

It's relatively unusual for women to have anal sex on the first date. A guy who does it on the first date without lube is definitely not getting a second date.

Thank you for your insight, Melania r249

I'm 200% predisposed to believe female victims. But this case sounds more like the Aziz Ansari case were the woman regretted it afterwards and built it up in her mind to be this terrible thing. I don't believe she was raped.

"MATT LAUER ACCUSER, Brooke Nevils, KISSES BF IN NYC ...Rips 'Victim Shaming' Lauer"

I believe Matt, I'd be damned if I would go back to someone that supposedly raped me for more sex. She's looking for more bucks.

One of the things that always bother me about stories like this is that it always seems to come down to women being weak, naive, and stupid. I know a lot of women, and none of them are weak, naive, or stupid. Sure, they can all tell you a time when they made a bad choice related to a man, but the key is they own their choices. I hate victim culture and I hate the constant bending over backwards to always try to cast victims and predators in complex adult situations. This woman was looking for a come up. Maybe not the one she wanted, but seven figures is a great consolation prize.

[quote] Meanwhile, all those sexual predators who know that they will never be exposed, because after all, the mob has its scapegoats, continue on harassing and preying on women. And smile at the stupidity and gullibility of the mob.

Why would they smile if they know they could be next?

R255 If money was her intention, why did she wait three years to report him? Why didnt she go to the police straight away and sue Lauer and NBC right after it happened? Why didnt she go to the press and sell her story for an even bigger payout?

I think Matt picked the right person to rape. She is obviously unstable and mental. So when the story comes out, very few people would believe her coz she's not right in the head.

I definitely think she was raped. But she needed the job and kept working there and Matt kept harassing her. Maybe he misled her into thinking she could get a promotion or whatever...who knows?

She's just a poor little girl trying to make it in this world.

Also have you seen her face? Not exactly a looker. Perhaps she thought she was lucky to be raped or fucked by a "star" matt lauer, loved by millions etc. He definitely abused his position.

I also thought 1 million was peanuts, she should have gone to the hospital after the first time, would have gotten more millions. Even that Loofa girl from foxnews got 4 or 5 million and she didn't even fuck Bill O'liely.

Everybody will be now looking at that picture of her BF wondering if he’s getting any ass, so to speak.

[quote]Why would they smile if they know they could be next?

R256 " . . . all those sexual predators who know that they will never be exposed, because after all, the mob has its scapegoats. . ."

Precisely, R248.

There's nothing in any of this that makes me think Brooke Nevils is telling the truth. Her behavior after the alleged rape is marginally believable if she were telling the truth, but it would really be a stretch.

Matt Lauer is nasty AF, but unless better evidence emerges, Farrow has not convincingly made her case.

"I know a lot of women, and none of them are weak, naive, or stupid."

I agree, R255. That this woman says she asked herself "is this normal?" is evidence enough that she's naive or just dumb. But there's also that woman who went up to Mike Tyson's hotel room not thinking he'd try something. He was convicted of rape in a criminal case, she received no money. It must be some kind of celebrity thing, trusting a celebrity.

R258, being a "looker" or not has nothing to do with having access to men. Straight men will fuck just about anything, and I'm sure this broad could get plenty under normal circumstances. Sometimes I think some of you are thirteen years old.

[quote]Matt Lauer is nasty AF, but unless better evidence emerges, Farrow has not convincingly made her case.

So you've read the book?

"Don't worry, sweetie, you fucked a married man with whom you worked and continued it once you were back in the States and enjoyed your affair -- but YOU'RE THE VICTIM!!!"

Her boyfriend has a nice ass.

Her boyfriend is enjoying the butt sex and angling to get his hands on her settlement money.

I have no idea whether he raped her or not. I do know that his response is inappropriate for a man who claims he wants to protect his children. The response is far too graphic and detailed. No one's children want that much detail about their father's sex life.

[Quote] Her boyfriend is enjoying the butt sex and angling to get his hands on her settlement money.

Sure, she can buy him his own parking space in NYC with $1m. Such a huuuuge settlement check .

R265, are you the home wrecker troll? If a married man fucks around, the women he fucks are NOT responsible for his marriage.

Correct, R270. At least the way you stated it is correct. But she is responsible for her part of the pain caused to the wife and to the children.

You left that out, asshole.

[quote] But she is responsible for her part of the pain caused to the wife and to the children.

I'm not r270, but I disagree. The husband is entirely responsible for the pain caused the wife and children--not the other woman. She is not responsible to them; he is, by dint of being husband and father.

I blame Ronan which means I blame Mia.

Fuck you, Mia!

Very bad judgement on her part (she probably had/has a drinking problem) and of course his part. What an asshole. He may or may not have raped her- he did take advantage of her, but then obviously she did not need to come back for more. That is why I suggest alcoholism. This is not unusual behavior for an alcoholic woman who completely stop this sort of thing when she stops drinking. Matt is just an awful, really awful person. He may not have technically raped this woman, but he sure abused her, and I gather many others, in many ways including damaging their careers. I just don't understand this kind of behavior. Trump is the exact same- and he is POTUS. It's profoundly disturbing.

R271, apparently you ARE thirteen! The only one responsible for children/wife/wives etc is the man who is cheating.

THE END.

So, R272... A woman is not responsible for her own actions and her own choices.

WTF kind of world do you live in?

Yeah, R276, but she's not responsible for the actions of a married man cheating, not responsible for his family. Did your daddy embarrass your mummy and sibling with some hussy?

[quote]How humiliating ‚for his kids — he said in a public statement that he had "vaginal sex, oral sex and anal sex" with a woman who wasn't their mother. Was this really necessary?

I don't think the kids would like to hear that he was having vaginal, oral and anal sex with their mother, either.

That only works, R277, if you frame it in that self-serving way. Of course she's not responsible for his actions. She is responsible for her own. And if her actions adversely affect the man's kids, she needs to own that. We all need to be responsible for our own actions. You should have learned that by now.

Some people never learn that, R279.

R277 has one weird-ass worldview.

"She is not responsible to them". Right, yet another one who thinks women are not responsible for ANYTHING. Things happen TO them, not BECAUSE of them. Jesus...

I'm sure you are one of those losers that always used the "Don't judge me!" whine as well, a sentence I learned to loathe. 'Yes, I fucked my best friend's husband and yes I broke up her family but DON'T JUDGE ME!"

Again, more than ever, so goddam glad I am gay.

[quote] are you the home wrecker troll? If a married man fucks around, the women he fucks are NOT responsible for his marriage

I'm not the person you are responding to...I a woman fucks a married man and she knows that he is married then she is complicit. The actions of a decent person would be to say, "I don't get involved with a married person". The wrong choice is to fuck him.

[quote] are you the home wrecker troll? If a married man fucks around, the women he fucks are NOT responsible for his marriage

I'm not the person you are responding to...I a woman fucks a married man and she knows that he is married then she is complicit. The actions of a decent person would be to say, "I don't get involved with a married person". The wrong choice is to fuck him.

R277 is right. People are responsible for their own lives and families and behavior, other people are not responsible. I know it sounds like 1962 around here this afternoon for some reason but it ISN'T 1962 and we're not blaming the brazen hussies in these affairs for "hurting the kids" more than their own father did.

Why is it "won't somebody think of the children?!" around here so much nowadays?

Agree COMPLETELY with R169 - Ronan Farrow was PISSED that NBC decided not to run his Weinstein story, claiming in part that "nobody knows who Weinstein is", so he managed to get the NEW YORKER to run it, which supports his shaky "journalist" persona. This, along with his own "colorful" family history, tends to give credence to him as a champion of all these poor "victims." As if he truly gives a fuck about any of them. It's ridiculous.

[quote]I have no idea whether he raped her or not. I do know that his response is inappropriate for a man who claims he wants to protect his children. The response is far too graphic and detailed. No one's children want that much detail about their father's sex life.

Pay attention....He wanted to protect his children when he was fired because he cheated on their Mom, so he kept quiet. This rape allegation just came out and he is fighting back....from his lettter

[quote]Today, nearly two years after I was fired by NBC, old stories are being recycled, titillating details are being added, and a dangerous and defamatory new allegation is being made. All are being spread as part of a promotional effort to sell a book. It’s outrageous. So, after not speaking out to protect my children, it is now with their full support I say “enough.”

Absolute nonsense. It's not about "hurting the kids more than their own father did." It's like crazy town around here sometimes, as if somehow having an affair with a married person is totally void of any moral qualities whatsoever.

R279, did you know that answering your own posts can get you troll tagged?

[Quote] ...dangerous and defamatory new allegation is being made.

If someone makes wrong and defamatory allegations about you, Matt, you should take this to court. I would love for the truth to come out and hear both sides of the story in front of a jury. Afraid all your dirty deeds will come out? Why did you stay quiet for two years?

[quote]It's like crazy town around here sometimes, as if somehow having an affair with a married person is totally void of any moral qualities whatsoever.

No one said that. The person I was talking to is the other guy (or I assume it's another guy, who even knows around here anymore) who said that the girlfriends, even if they themselves were unattached, were causing hurt and anguish for Lauer's wife and kids.

That's not the sidepiece's responsibility, if for no other reason than we have no idea what Lauer told the women he was banging. Fifty years ago it would be "my wife doesn't understand me" and today it would be "it's an open relationship," but either way it would be a lie. He also had a reputation as a womanizer so it's very likely women were under the impression he was either discreet or had an arrangement like many celebrities do.

Let's not forget we NEVER hear these "it's crazytown around here, people not caring about morals at all" histrionics on any thread about some celebrity banging chicks on the side. We only hear it when sexual assault is involved. That's the only reason you and the other guy have gone all "think of the children" here.

We need to bring back alienation of affection laws! Whereby the ex spouse can sue the individual who had the affair with their spouse. Still legal in a few states and people are still winning suits against these homewreckers.

[quote]if for no other reason than we have no idea what Lauer told the women he was banging.

Matt Lauer isn't some obscure person. He's a celebrity whose married life played out in the media.

It's extremely repugnant that anyone would defend someone who knowing and willingly sleeps with a married man. There is no excuse. Women have agency and can and should say, "no." Any person who,engages in an affair is complicit.

[quote] Still legal in a few states and people are still winning suits against these homewreckers.

You'd know. You were probably around when those laws were put into effect.

I've had affairs with a couple of married men and never felt complicit in anything. I made no vows to anyone. It might as well be sleeping with somebody's boyfriend. I felt and feel no guilt whatsoever. They sure didn't and they had families. And who knows maybe their wives knew and they had some sort of agreement. I mean come on you are married to a powerful and charismatic man you know there might a good chance he's getting some on the side. You don't think Hillary knew from the beginning that Bill was a dog? Who knows maybe she had her own affairs. Who is anyone to judge what sexual arrangement a married couple has?

R294 I just read they were still legal in a few places and I couldn't believe there was still such a thing. It seems so arcane.

What can I say, r295, you're an amoral person.

What can I say, r295, you're an amoral person.

Well Hillary knew Bill was having affairs. Does that make them both amoral? If a woman tacitly agrees to her husband having affairs does that make her complicit and therefore amoral?

Almost all states have abolished these types of cases, but the following seven states still allow homewrecker lawsuits; Hawaii, Illinois, New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, South Dakota, and Utah.

Yes, it is time to bring them back. If Matt's side piece can get a million from her employer based on a simple allegation, then why can't Matt's wife and the mother of his children go to court and prove her harm to a jury and get a million from the side piece?

This is NOT about the Clintons, people. Please focus.

The girl is cuckoo crazy, but she doesn't owe the wife anything. She didn't share vows with anyone, he did. Again, women are not stupid. In fact, most women are well aware of everything about their husbands. Women know when their husbands cheat. Women know when they've married a closeted gay man. Etc. Etc. Etc. Ultimately, it is about what they choose to accept and ignore for the good of the order. Lauer's wife knew he was a pussyhound, and made a choice. Just like this girl, when she went to Matt's hotel room, made a choice.

Huh, talk about a strawman argument, r300.

I do not think you know what a straw man argument is, r303.

Sorry, it's r299 with the strawman argument.

Is Ann Curry under some sort of NDA, because she never publicly talks about Lauer.

R295, this morals crap applies to WOMEN, not men. Men can do what they want whenever they want. You are excused.

[quote]I've had affairs with a couple of married men and never felt complicit in anything.

Quelle surprise.

When a woman is raped by a man that she knows, it is shockingly common for a consensual sexual relationship to follow. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t raped. I do think in cases like that, it makes it nearly impossible for the woman to bring charges or for prosecutors to do anything about the initial rape. But that doesn’t mean she wasn’t raped. And it doesn’t mean she shouldn’t identify as a rape victim and get psychological treatment for that.

Women may not be "stupid" but they sure as shit tend to avoid Accountability. Annoying as fuck, especially in the current MeToo environment. Reactions like the two idiot newswomen just accepting her tales blindly and bubbling with support don't help.

My heart says no, but my butt says yes.

Following Wednesday’s allegation that Matt Lauer raped a co-worker, there was a “disastrous” and “heated” meeting at NBC on Thursday morning, we’re told, during which senior correspondents “attacked” the network’s news chief, Noah Oppenheim.

Page Six is told that during the regular 9 a.m. editorial meeting, veteran “Today” journalists pushed Oppenheim on what network execs knew about the situation before it became public.

We’re told a staffer pressed Oppenheim on whether Lauer’s accuser, Brooke Nevils — a former NBC producer who revealed in Ronan Farrow’s new book, “Catch and Kill,” that Lauer anally raped her at the Sochi Olympics — used the word “assault” when she reported Lauer to NBC’s HR department in 2017.

Sources say Oppenheim dodged, saying that he wouldn’t say because he believed that Nevils has a right to privacy on that matter.

A network source denied that anyone laughed, saying that the meeting was not “heated.” They said it was “orderly” and that “Noah very calmly and capably took every question that came his way.”

Another source said, “It was very contentious. People want answers. People are demanding answers,” adding that “They want to know what she told NBC to begin with. Was it rape?”

We’re told Oppenheim started the meeting saying, “I am sure you guys and folks on your teams have questions, you will have questions in the days ahead, and I want to literally beg you to please ask them.”

He went on, “Please tell the folks you work with to ask them. Whether it’s this morning or by reaching out to me by phone or email, anytime day or night, there is not a question that I’m afraid to answer. I only ask the opportunity to do so.”

Lauer has strenuously denied that he raped Nevils, admitting only that they had consensual sex and that she agreed to have anal sex with him.

Oppenheim said, “I appreciate that question. Our first obligation when someone brings forward a complaint is to protect that person’s confidentiality. All of our communication to you guys and externally, frankly to anyone, the words were carefully chosen to characterize it exactly the same way that her attorney was characterizing it.”

He said Nevils’ “confidentiality is not something that I am ever going to breach, not only for her sake. The whole point of that is so she can tell her story whenever, however she chooses to and she is doing so now, I think that is appropriate.”

“Everyone laughed at him,” said a source, adding that the staffer replied, “Pretty sure she’s waived that right [when she gave her blockbuster interview to Farrow]. We deserve answers from you.”

A rich hot looking homosexual will always attract a greedy stinkfish!

c'mon, it's clear this girl was gonna do whatever to get her ahead in the work place, including opening her legs for anyone. She got raped. that's all.

She's an adult. She got wasted and bad things happened to her. Sure, of course Matt took advantage of his position as well. If you don't want anything bad to happen, don't get fucked up drunk alone with some creep.

Nicole Brown was raped by OJ on their first date and she loved and married him. It’s fucked up what women are willing to accept in this society. These kind of dynamics with powerful men and women trying to climb the ladder aren’t as rare as you’d think.

I feel like that first encounter was rape. In spite of what the porn industry tries to promote, women don't desire anal sex...especially on the first date. Afterwards, she was ashamed and terrified. And the only other person who knew what had happened probably started being extra nice to her. In her mind (cognitive dissonance), it would be easier (personally, professionally) to view him as a lover than an attacker. It might take a therapist to explain why she continued to see him after that first incident. But it doesn't take an expert to explain that the first incident was rape.

Why did she wait? Because maybe she stopped the self denial and she grew as a person. From a wiser perspective, she realized that what happened was wrong, even if she had been willing to accept it before.

Why were the NBC employees so upset at that meeting today and demanded answers? Were they afraid that NBC tried to cover it up and several women continued to work and travel with a possible rapist?

Dear straight white middle aged white women who don't work to support yourself, we see you on here.

Ugly old fat sows around here can never distinguish rape from hate-fuck-for-pay. You can't talk sense to them on this issue. Sad.

I’ve met Matt Lauer. He has a very high impression of himself and a big ego. Not surprising based on his prior success and career.

He’s also hyper-sexualized. Meaning he thinks about and focuses on sex more than most people.

Combine the two and you have someone who had a lot of a extra-marital sex. Affairs, one night stands, whatever. He was cautious about who he picked - someone at NBC (in a different department) would be more likely to be discreet. He’d had years of people available to him and probably wanted more variety in his sex acts. So a drunk woman who comes to his room becomes the latest toy to satisfy his oversexed needs. She doesn’t kick him off or shut down the encounter. In his (also probably drunk state) he’s a stud in his mind.

He’s an asshole but this is an unfortunate collision between two people thinking differently. Weinstein, Trump, and other undeniable rapists are different than Franken and guys who are douches or bad sexual experiences. If we act like every person who has a bad experience is a rape victim it undercuts the severity of the ones who were raped and abused.

I am sure rape screws you up mentally but if you go back to your rapist for more sex, you forfeit your right to call it rape IMHO. Just move on. She already got a 7 figure settlement from NBC, much more than most rape victims get.

I think Matt should move to another country.

[quote]bad sexual experiences. If we act like every person who has a bad experience is a rape victim it undercuts the severity of the ones who were raped and abused. -Sorry

There are other rape allegations, R320. Like the staffer who was reportedly raped in his office and then left unconscious, only to be left by Lauer on his office floor.

While your meeting may have convinced YOU that Lauer is not predatory based on YOUR encounters, realize that what men do to women in secret is not necessarily identifiable by outsiders.

No doubt Matt got a lot of sex. Extramarital? Sure. Rape? uhhhh... no, certainly not in this case. Retro Rape, maybe.

Matt is really evil, she was bleeding for days after.

Surely a man can tell if the female is in pain? He kept on fucking her ass. He is one sick fuck, he got pleasure out of her pain.

How do we know she was bleeding for days?

Medical records?

I'm not sure you assholes here realize this, but a sexual partner only has to say no once and the sex is no longer consensual. If the man still continues, it was rape. The woman said no several times. No one knows what really happened so please just all shut the fuck up with your "it wasnt rape" bs.

If he's so fucking innocent, then why didn't he sue her ? Why didn't he try to clear his name via the court system? BECAUSE HE AIN'T INNOCENT!

Simple as that! She's no angel but he's NOT innocent.

Scum of the earth.

[quote] A woman is not responsible for her own actions and her own choices.

Of course she is responsible for her choices. No one said that--you have, inevitably, put words in my mouth. What I said is she is not responsible to the man's wife or to his children in terms of keeping his marriage happy. That's his responsibility.

[quote] WTF kind of world do you live in?

Oh, for fuck;'s sake.

Apparently one where a HUGE drama queen like yourself resides, unfortunately.

r271:

[quote]If he's so fucking innocent, then why didn't he sue her ? Why didn't he try to clear his name via the court system? BECAUSE HE AIN'T INNOCENT!

Sue for what? The rape accusation was just lodged just this week. That's why he wrote the four page letter. Are you reading this thread or just winging your silly response?

She raped his cock.

^She reported him to HR in 2017 and Lauer was subsequently fired. He could have sued for defamation for example. He did not. Farrow is publishing a new book and she gave him an interview. The original allegations date back to 2017. So r328 was right. He could have sued her back then. He choose not to sue.

My two-cents on this notion of having no personal responsibility to the spouse of the person with whom you're cheating. Yes, legally you have zero responsibility because you didn't make a vow with the spouse and implicitly with children in the marriage. However, legality and morality are often two separate entities. Something can be totally legal yet immoral and vice versa something can be illegal and be moral at the same time. Don't try to justify immoral behavior by relating it to legality in such a way that absolves you of bad conscience. If you have to justify it then it's likely not so moral in the first place.

ML is a fucking pig. But the evidence on the woman's side doesn't support her claims since it's full of inconsistent and questionable behavior on her part. Are we ready to convict people of rape with this sort of evidence? Fraus with sons, should society and court of law convict men based upon such flimsy evidence that consist of nothing but delayed accusation? Do you want your sons to be under such weak standards, where a mere accusation, even retroactive one, suffices as ironclad proof of guilt? We need to step back and consider that sometimes the truth is the most likely scenario. If you have to go through implausible scenarios and actions that defy common sense in order to arrive at your desired conclusion, then own it before you accuse others of being misogynist or rape-excuser. We'll never know the absolute truth in this case, just that there are holes in her accusation that give pause for conviction.

And she could have sued him for his alleged torts. But she didn't. She could have gone to the police, but she didn't.

The standard of proof in Ronan Farrow's book is undoubtedly much, much, lower.

R291, your post was a lie from start to finish.

R334 No one pressed charges in this case so people can choose which side they believe. There is also another side to your story. Men have daughters and would they like it if someone forced himself on them, raped and assaulted them and people later just brushed it off as a bogus accusation and call the daughter a liar and slut?Would YOU like it if someone treated your daughter this way? Would you call your daughter a slut for going to a man's hotel room? Would you believe your child if she told you she was raped even though she has no evidence? Would you tell her she's a lying, crazy bitch and it was all her fault?

R328 and R333 - The reason why he didn't sue was because this was originally an Human Resources matter, which meant that it was going to be kept confidential. When Lauer got the boot from NBC, there was no book in the works that shamed him as a rapist. Also we don't know what transpired in that meeting between NBC execs and Lauer. He admitted that he had the affair, and he was a known philanderer at NBC, so that's what he probably thought he was being fired for.

R337 So in essence you're okay with the paucity of evidence which basically consist of a retroactive accusation. Fine, good that you've admitted to that since you didn't refute my point. The other side to the story which you'd presented would not have occurred in this case, had the woman reported the rape at the time. Barring that, there was no other evidence that it occurred, she did not confide in anyone, she did not save any evidence of physical injury, there was not such documentations on her part. Also, you're conflating lack of evidence for rape conviction in this case, for "call your daughter a slut for going to a man's hotel room....would you tell her she's a lying, crazy bitch?". No, that's YOU inferring all of those things, when I merely pointed out factual evidence or the lack of it as being crucial aspect in this particular case. If the woman did lie then yes, she's a liar who lied for whatever reasons or justifications in her own mind. Fact-finding and ability to discern truth from lies in such cases should be immune from emotions, your use of emotional language in helping to make convincing arguments actually has the opposite impact.

I"ve worked with prisoners in jail psych units, so I do have some experience dealing with the lowest of low scums, rapists, child molesters, murderers, you name it I've worked with them. I also currently work with a county-contracted mental health clinic where many of my patients are women, often low socioeconomic status, with horrendous histories of abuse. I don't take such things lightly but I do approach them from a clinical, measured as opposed to preordained mindset. Like I've said, this is a he said/ she said story, we'll never know for sure one way or another, we can only judge this using facts, evidence at hand, our own experiences, and common sense.

[quote] Oppenheim said, “I appreciate that question. Our first obligation when someone brings forward a complaint is to protect that person’s confidentiality. All of our communication to you guys and externally, frankly to anyone, the words were carefully chosen to characterize it exactly the same way that her attorney was characterizing it.”.... He said Nevils’ “confidentiality is not something that I am ever going to breach, not only for her sake. The whole point of that is so she can tell her story whenever, however she chooses to and she is doing so now, I think that is appropriate.”

Ok, the world - including the staff at NBC - need a Human Resources 101 course. Any one-on-one meetings between an employee and HR at ANY company will always be confidential. Period. What Nevils says outside of NBC and that meeting is her prerogative. But as a company, NBC can never talk about an employee complaint publicly. The only thing they can do is act on a complaint, and that's exactly what they did.

Reminds me of the mom who went after Kevin Spacey

Couldn't have been that horrid if she continued the "ordeal" for two or three more years.

I'd say it was a mutual oral 😜 agreement.

R341 - Here's the thing about the Spacey Nantucket issue. I think Heather Unruh was genuine and thought her son was assaulted. However, its obvious from the testimony of the son during that pretrial hearing that he wasn't forthcoming with all the details of what happened during the night in question.

This situation is different. I think this is more about one of the issues with MeToo: when asshole behaviour is conflated with predatory sexual behavior. Yes, we all know that Lauer was a creep, pussy hound and horrible husband. But chasing after women, having affairs and dumping them afterward is not being a rapist. Its being a jerk. So please, we need to stop making jerks into rapists just because they made their jilted lover feel like shit.

Lauer can be both a jerk and a rapist, though. It’s not as if they’re mutually exclusive. Aren’t there multiple women accusing him of sexual assault? If there’s more than one complainant and they have similar stories it starts to look pretty bad for him.

No. There were multiple accusers of him sexually harassing, having extramarital affairs and him abusing his power. But in the MeToo movement, that's now being called "rape", and women who have affairs with powerful married men apparently carry no responsibility because they were so damn helpless.

How much money i$ $he $eeking in damage$ ?

She got $1M settlement from NBC and she was apparently shopping for a book deal afterward.

A whole lotta gin without the regret.

Typical sexism from the men of the Datalounge. Did you expect anything else?

I wonder if he ever apologize to her by text or voicemail, that would be good evidence for her side. It seems to me that he must have said something conciliatory to her for her to keep on seeing him like that.

[quote]It seems to me that he must have said something conciliatory to her for her to keep on seeing him like that.

She wanted either to be his one and only side piece, which would help her career or the next Mrs. Lauer, which would have her set financially for life. Or, unlikely, she may have even been in love with him which caused her to go for revenge when he ghosted her. This is a site filled with gay men, we all know revenge when we see it.

But how could you fall in love with somebody who raped you?

Someone on this thread had a REALLY bad experience having anal sex without lube.

No, the point made was anal sex without lube and without cooperation.

R349 - I'm a woman and even I know when other women are full of crap. This story is full of it.

BTW, I also feel that Ronan Farrow wrote this book because he's still salty at NBC for not publishing HIS story. His journalism does a lot of good but you can still sense his narcissism.

If Matt Lauer ass raped her then why did NBC have to pay her$1000000 for that? Shouldn't he have been the one who paid that money?

^ You're a woman, yeah

Rape is a loaded word. I'm GenX, we started out with don't have sex at all because you might die, to safe sex, to date rape, to no means no. But now the issue of consent is really cut and dry and in ways that it wasn't before. If you don't have clear-headed consent, then you are violating another person. For you GenXers and older, how many of you have met someone at a bar and had sex with a drunk person. How many of you have been drunk dialed? How many of you have fucked someone who was drugged out of their minds on their drug of choice? How man times have you woken up not quite sure knowing all you need to know about the person next to you (what's your name again). All of those behaviors can now be seen as retroactively hooking up with someone who wasn't able to give reasonable consent.

I don't believe that Lauer raped her and I think this is her payback, but if you are playing by the rules as they are now, she has every right to change her mind and retroactively reclassify a sexual encounter as an assault. Everyone has that right. It doesn't really matter how you feel about it, but right, wrong, or indifferent, those are the new rules. And, culturally, we are in a place where she must be believed, no matter how outlandish it all sounds.

Even the NY Post column gets this right

R354 May have been damsel-in-distress role playing no cooperation, but homegirl couldn't get ENOUGH of that dick afterwards to the point Matt had to ghost her desperate insatiable anus.

[quote]And, culturally, we are in a place where she must be believed, no matter how outlandish it all sounds.

And that's the problem. We are not obliged to believe anyone or anything. You can make up your own mind & have your own opinion. And you can't force people to believe something or someone.

I don't believe every accusation about anything. But when it comes to sexual assault, I think each accusation should be taken seriously and should be thoroughly investigated. But it shouldn't be automatically believed. Too many men - particularly Black men - have had their lives destroyed or ended because an accusation against them was automatically believed.

They could each sue for defamation.

R362, there is no judge in the world who is going to want these people in the courtroom arguing about butt sex. It's not happening.

It would make for a great SVU ep, though.

R358, you're a fucking whore darling!

Speak for yourself...we ain't all sluts like you!

Sluts are everywhere, R365.

Matt’s a proven liar. What’s not to say he’s lying about his version of events that night. I think people can’t believe Matt raped that women because of what she looks like.

[Quote] [R362], there is no judge in the world who is going to want these people in the courtroom arguing about butt sex. It's not happening.

No? Polanski did the exact same thing to a woman back in the 70s. Anally raped her while she was on drugs. Only difference here is that the woman was underage and HE gave her the drugs. But exactly the same tactic as Lauer. Lured her to his house with a trick and anally raped her while on drugs. People back then also tried to excuse his behavior and argued it was a different time. The woman/child was also too ashamed of what happened to press charges. But fact is Polanski "butt raped" a drugged child. Judges had no problem arguing with Polanski about butt sex. He fled the country and is still on the run today.

If this case here would end up in court, maybe Lauer would admit that he raped her and she was too drunk to give consent if a prosecutor grilled him hard enough. Even without physical evidence. How would a jury react to violent anal sex with a very drunk woman he lured to his room with a trick? I think there is a reason he never sued NBC or the woman.

Why wasn’t he prosecuted for any of the rapes? Who protected him? Zucker?

R111 that is a truly awful, abhorrent thing to say.

Hopefully all this metoo caca will drive men (aka str8 guys) away from fish and into the arms of us sisters, who are more than happy to 'relieve' their sexual tensia and without any of the b.s.!

An accuser doesn't have to be believed. She has to be listened to and not automatically dismissed out of hand.

Mmm can’t help wondering what her butt looks like. We need a picture of her in jeans..

Uh yeah. Lauer is a smarmy douchebro who was paid way too much money and overstayed his welcome in front of the camera but the accusations are a stretch. He raped a colleague in his office and stepped over her incapacitated body to race back in front of the teleprompter ? No. I don't believe this.

If the victim is too intoxicated to consent, is the perp too intoxicated to identity his behavior as predatory? I am not talking about predators who slip drugs into their victims without the victims knowledge to deliberately incapacitate the victim. A night out, boisterous and boozy, lots of flirting, raunchy sex talk, innuendoes and then you both head back to his hotel room.

Get it, Diane!

Matt Lauer has been completely irrelevant for two years. Why do people care about this?

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[quote]But now the issue of consent is really cut and dry and in ways that it wasn't before. If you don't have clear-headed consent, then you are violating another person.

I don't think that's fair, I'm GenX too and I remember plenty of books, news stories, old movies, even cheesy made-for-TV movies where the guy was a cad and a louse if he got a woman drunk to take advantage of her. Sure you can watch those gross sex comedies from the 1960s where Jack Lemmon is trying to get a hot blonde pass-out drunk or some comedy from the 1970s where Chevy Chase is trying to get a lady pass-out drunk but by the 1980s that changed. It wasn't an overnight change but it definitely happened, and a long time ago, too.

[quote]I don't believe that Lauer raped her and I think this is her payback

She didn't get him back at the time when she could have ruined his career, or didn't cash in on her opinion when his downfall was making the news for weeks on end. How is this payback? The damage was already done, he's been over for years now, you don't get "payback" after someone is already destroyed.

[quote]culturally, we are in a place where she must be believed, no matter how outlandish it all sounds.

But it doesn't sound outlandish at all.

R48 In all fairness, Matt has never been part of the "Jewish Community" proper. His father may be of mixed Jewish descent, yet Matt was raised without any religious instruction. His mum is a non-religious woman of English, Scottish, and German descent. Predators come from all backgrounds, and it certainly isn't fair to blame his actions on any "Jewish Community".

r48 is an anti-Semite.

Shun him, gals!

R382, more tnan likely...I'm merely trying to remain non-reactionary and diplomatic here.

[quote] [R48] is an anti-Semite.

Jeremy Corbyn posts here ??

R379, I remember it clearly we had "no means no". But I don't remember any real life or movie situations where there was a retroactive removal of consent and an encounter became rape. There were plenty of movies in the 80s and 90s about horny dudes trying to get laid by any means necessary. Don't try to rewrite history. The idea of consent, as it exists now, is still relatively new. And like all new concepts we are still in the figuring it out phase.

R380, she didn't cash in? She got a seven figure payout and was shopping around a book deal and admitted that she didn't see any of this as problematic until #metoo broke. The bitch was most definitely trying to cash in from this, so she jumped on a movement to leverage her payday. Her story has more holes than swiss cheese. This is one accuser that I do not believe.

[quote]She didn't get him back at the time when she could have ruined his career, or didn't cash in on her opinion when his downfall was making the news for weeks on end. How is this payback? The damage was already done, he's been over for years now, you don't get "payback" after someone is already destroyed.

What are you talking about? She ruined his career by reporting him after a year long affair when broke it off with no communication. Then she accepted a million plus payout thus "cashing in".

I know she got $1M from NBC to not tell anyone she was raped. But when Lauer was an actual big news story she could have raked in more money by giving interviews then, but instead she stayed quiet, then says something now to Ronan Farrow which makes her NO money and gets her NO leverage within the industry. She gets nothing from this, not even "payback" because Lauer is already old news and dead in the water.

Also just FYI, NBC doesn't pay out $1M to a woman who completely lied about a rape. That kind of money goes to someone who has a real story to tell.

She was shopping around a book deal, that's why she stayed quiet. And NBC paid her $1M to make her go away, because they all believed, rightly so, that it was an affair gone sour. They knew about Lauer being a poonhound and his questionable judgment.

Not finding anything about Brooke Nevins shopping around a book deal, and no one believes NBC would pay out $1,000,000 to someone who was just jilted.

*Nevils

r381, not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand but Matt Lauer's father was Jewish, his mother is not.

He wasn't raised in either faith, although I think as a child he celebrated Christmas, but that is understandable as I believe he was raised by his mother after his parents divorced.

R388 You do not fire someone like Lauer over just an affair and pay the mistress $1m to go away, dumbass. He had lots of affairs over the years and probably not all ended well. NBC did not consider firing him then or pay off all his past mistresses. There is more to this story here.

Also $1m is nothing for a man who made $25m a year. She could have sued him and NBC for a lot more and would have won. $1m is also maybe much for someone like you from flyover country but in NYC you get your own parking space for that money.

Also please post a source that she really was shopping for a book deal. I never heard or read anything about that.

I hear the Matt Lauer movie might get a Christmas release

You can call me all the names you want R392 and you can believe that people aren't paid off for nuisance complaints every day all you want. The bitch tried to cash in and cried rape after Matt ghosted her. Then she latched on to metoo to try and make her story blow up even more. End of story. When all other monetary avenues dried up, she went to Ronan. End of story.

And does anyone still wonder why fish are hated?

"Matt Lauer has been completely irrelevant for two years. Why do people care about this?"

Because the DL thinks he's hot...and probably a closeted gay.

[quote] but psychiatrists say that one of the many different ways different human beings react to sexual trauma is to try to convince themselves that what happened was okay – sometimes, by continuing the relationship with their abuser

CITATION NEEDED.

Who are these psychiatrists?? In which books or articles are those claims made??

[Quote]  The bitch tried to cash in and cried rape after Matt ghosted her.

She reported him only to HR THREE YEARS after he ghosted her. If you wanna cash in on something, you go straight to the press and not to fucking HR. Get your facts straight DUMBASS.

Also, still waiting for that source that she was shopping for a book deal.

You're seriously in Trump territory here with your constant lying and discrediting people without any facts.

Let Judge Whoopi decide the cases!

[quote]he reported him only to HR THREE YEARS after he ghosted her.

Because that was when #metoo was blowing up. A bigger payday.

[quote]You're seriously in Trump territory here

Fuck you.

Winds were changing and she felt she was more like to be believed and supported. If he hadn't ghosted her this affair might still be going on. If NBC saw this as anything more than a woman scorned 1 million is a joke to them and it would have been to her if her accusations had any credibility.

I'm sure this has been covered but so far back I don't remember why did she say the first time was rape?

[quote]I'm sure this has been covered but so far back I don't remember why did she say the first time was rape?

Because she was raped?

She didn't say anything when they were having the affair because she liked him, she really really LIKED him. It wasn't until he dumped her and he admits in his letter it was shitty way, he just stop total communication, that she went to NBC.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

R391 And your point was...? Matt's father was Jewish, as I had stated (Romanian and Polish Jew). Matt still wasn't part of ANY Jewish community. Even when asked, Matt didn't even identify as a Jew, he always replied "My father was Jewish, but not religious". One could argue if Matt's Dad didn't see fit to raise his son Jewish, he probably wasn't a real member of any Jewish communi either. Simply being of partial Ashkenazi heritage does not make one part of the "Jewish Community". BIG difference. Please do not go about making apologies or excuses for bigots slandering Jews here..

Because she says so? That's enough? When she goes to have an affair with him and only gets her revenge after he ends it in the most brutal way. By simply not taking her calls? Being ghosted by somebody you've had an affair with and you want to continue the affair with is shocking and makes you enormously bitter and angry. Who doesn't know this?

R394, I asked you once what the source for the book deal was, and now others are asking. Put up the information or admit you were lying.

To whomever is asking for proof on the book deal...it was in Lauer's statement and not denied by Nevils.

If you are responding to me, R405, you are ignoring what I said. But please continue with your fascinatingly repetitive narrative about how bitches are whores.

I always assumed Matt was a Jewish boy. And even if he wasn't technically, religiously or culturally as "Jewish," as he appeared, the youngster still had the name and face (pre-plastic surgery). In the 1960s there were still many places, clubs, etc. that were restricted. For Matt to get as far away from that world was to his advantage - for personal and work. Just sayin.

When did I say bitches are whores you single minded creature but we are supposed to believe everyone is raped after they were dumped? If that's your belief then you're the whore who ends up hating everyone you slept with and refused to see you again and with good reason.

And how nice of you to consider this woman a bitch which says that you do think she's acting in a bitchy way. Not helpful to her case or yours.

His old nose is very cute.

R368, the quote you referenced from R362 responds to the statement in R361 that the parties should sue one another for defamation. That's a civil matter, not criminal matter. Of course, a criminal court deals with whatever facts are part of the charged offenses. But a tort claim for defamation is a different matter and will be heard in a different court. In this case, no judge is going to ask six to 12 citizens compelled to be present for jury service listen to entirely unsubstantiated claims of unwanted butt sex. Long before it ever gets that far, claims will be limited, if not entirely dismissed and the attorneys will be sternly told to get the matter settled.

R409 Whatever people think his affiliation was, it still doesn't excuse R48 's statement.

R397 Don't hold your breath waiting, the poster who said that obviously doesn't know anything about psychiatry/ psychology. Psychiatry is more involved in diagnosing and treating psychiatric disorders, while psychology has to do with the study of the human mind and its cognitive and behavioral functions, both within shared and extraordinary contexts. The poster in confusing the two fields obviously is just making psychobabble to support his/ her case that we should believe all accusers.

[Quote]To whomever is asking for proof on the book deal...it was in Lauer's statement and not denied by Nevils.

Jesus, if this is your fucking source you guys are even dumber than I thought. Did you all go to special needs schools bc you hardly ever see so much stupidity concentrated in one thread.

Matt Lauer's statement says "but within a year she was reportedly out trying to sell a book," which is hardly proof that she was looking for a book deal. He's speculating at best. Who "reported" that she was trying to sell a book?

R413, this is the DATALOUNGE. Get a grip and shut up.

R48 says that "Jews are a problem" shit all the time. You should probably have had him on ignore already, but if you didn't, put him on ignore now. Stop feeding the troll.

If Lauer is indeed the sole source for the book "deal" it's more likely a damned lie

R417 Why don't you shut up you nasty cunt.

Nevils hasn't denied the book deal, or really anything in Laurer's statement other than the details of the night in Sochi. So, it's fact until she says otherwise.

That's not how facts work, R421.

Of course it is, R422. If a statement that concerns you is inaccurate, you correct the record.

If you do not correct a particular statement of fact that concerns you, everyone is free to understand that the statement was true.

If that's not how facts work, r422, then we shouldn't belive any accuser, including Nevils.

She had an opportunity to refute statements that made her look bad when she issued her own statement. She didn't. In the absence of a denial, or other proof to the contrary, then it's a fact.

R349, I'm one of the men of Datalounge. She put her hole out there for money - she knew who she was fucking and she knew he had money. She got a settlement, and now she's getting a book deal to make more money off it? Let's just call a slut a slut already.

[Quote]Nevils hasn't denied the book deal, or really anything in Laurer's statement other than the details of the night in Sochi. So, it's fact until she says otherwise.

Hahaha, you really are a especially stupid one, aren't you?

Awwwww, honey @ r426, I hope you're pretty.

NBC News arranged settlements and nondisclosure agreements with Matt Lauer victims for years, Ronan Farrow claimed in a new interview Friday.

The Pulitzer Prize winner appeared on ABC’s “Good Morning America” to defend the reporting in his bombshell book “Catch and Kill.”

But he also contradicted NBC’s stance that it only learned of sexual misconduct allegations against Lauer when Brooke Nevils came forward in November 2017, prompting the anchor’s termination.

“This is not what the reporting in the book suggests. We spent several years reporting this out, extensively fact-checking it,” Farrow told George Stephanopoulos. “What we show in this book with the paper trail with documents is that there were multiple secret settlements and nondisclosures being struck with women at NBC.”

“There were seven nondisclosure agreements, multiple ones of those with Matt Lauer accusers,” Farrow responded. “This is years before this incident with Brooke Nevils and the firing and I spoke to senior executives who were told about those earlier incidents.”

The Peacock Network has been rocked by allegations that Lauer raped Nevils, a former producer, in 2014. Nevils’ account emerged earlier this week in an excerpt of Farrow’s upcoming book.

NBC News chief Andy Lack issued a lengthy response, accusing Farrow of painting a “fundamentally untrue picture” and claiming the network was in the dark about the then-married “Today” show host’s alleged sexual misconduct.

“Matt Lauer’s conduct in 2014 was appalling and reprehensible – and of course we said so at the time. The first moment we learned of it was the night of November 27, 2017, and he was fired in 24 hours,” Lack wrote in an internal memo Wednesday. “Any suggestion that we knew prior to that evening or tried to cover up any aspect of Lauer’s conduct is absolutely false and offensive.”

Lack went onto say that NBCUniversal’s legal team “uncovered no claims or settlements associated with allegations of inappropriate conduct by Lauer before he was fired.”

“Only following his termination did NBCU reach agreements with two women who had come forward for the very first time, and those women have always been free to share their stories about Lauer with anyone they choose,” he added.

Reps for NBC didn’t immediately return a message but issued a statement similar to Lack’s earlier this week.

“But those were after the fact,” Stephanopoulos interrupted.

Farrow replied, “Nope. Years before. Over a period of six to seven years. A period in which NBC had previously denied any settlements –”

“On Matt Lauer?” Stephanopoulos asked.

GMA did a nice, long segment about this today.

I am hoping that this is the beginning of the end for NBC.

Hope Rachel Maddow has her resume refreshed and ready to go!

There are basically no Me Too Movement accusers that I don't believe. For me, the most horrifying of the actresses stories was Annabella Sciorra's experience--

This is the first story where I am even remotely doubtful of the details.... This gal seems "off"-

However, this WAS A violent sexual act at the very least-and I do not think that the woman really expected the encounter to be so violent- This guy is really and truly a piece of garbage. The appears to be a horrible man and a horrible human being. And truly the poster boy for Sexual Harassment.

Was this rape? Probably. But this woman's story is "off" in some way. And I don't how.

But Matt Lauer scares me. Its makes me feel bad for women in general.

How embarrassing for NBC if they really claimed they had no prior knowledge of any sexual misconduct or settlements and the documents/sources in the book show they were lying. This will be interesting. We probably all agree NBC knew about this and covered it up for years, but how refreshing to have them on the record... blatantly lying.

[quote]Matt's father was Jewish, as I had stated (Romanian and Polish Jew). Matt still wasn't part of ANY Jewish community. Even when asked, Matt didn't even identify as a Jew, he always replied "My father was Jewish, but not religious".

As long as the Mohel showed up, who cares?

[quote] How embarrassing for NBC if they really claimed they had no prior knowledge of any sexual misconduct or settlements and the documents/sources in the book show they were lying

Not just embarrassment but engaging in a criminal conspiracy to cover up at one and possibly more felony assaults. A series of big dollar settlements would have had to be known and approved not only by NBC News boss Andy Lack but also the corporate management.

Eastern European Jewish ancestry often means SIZEMEAT , but perhaps only if it is on the mother's side.

Still,please post nude photos of Matt!

Criminal conspiracy, R433? You are uninformed and full of shit. None of the women making these claims went to the police. No police report... no formal investigation. Without that, there can be no "cover up." Public relations and criminal action are not the same thing.

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R2 ewww JFC, that needs a trigger warning ! HURL - Imagine that sneaking up behind you ?!?!?

I'm surprised he never tried to get with Katie Couric.

so there were 7 secret settlement, all involving ML? He's worse than Bill O'liely!

Not just Matt. His boss (and protector) too.

When pressed by anchor George Stephanopoulos, Farrow made clear that “over a period of six to seven years — a period in which NBC denied any settlement — there were seven nondisclosure agreements, and multiple were with Matt Lauer accusers years before this incident with Brooke Nevils and the firing.” The reporter then spiked the proverbial football by adding that he, “spoke to senior executives who were told about those earlier incidents.”

While the basics of Farrow’s critique of NBC News were known before the book came out, things have gone bad to worse for Lack and Oppenheim since Wednesday’s disclosures.

According to excerpts from Farrow’s book reported by the New York Post, Lack pressured two women into having affairs with the then-married Lack while he was their boss. Per the Post:” Lack, 72, a close friend of Lauer’s, was ‘almost unrelenting’ in asking Wallace out to dinner ‘every day for almost a month,’ saying he wanted to celebrate her contract, according to the book.

“If your boss does that, what are you gonna say?” former West 57th anchor Jane Wallace recounted to Farrow. “You know if you say ‘I don’t want to celebrate with you,’ you’re asking for trouble.” Wallace maintained that their relationship was consensual, she also claimed that the NBC News chairman eventually bullied her out of the job and then had her sign a non-disclosure agreement, giving her a payout in exchange for her silence about their affair.

R432 The point was, WE'RE neither taking blame, nor responsibility for him, as your brother troll @ R48 implied. That's who cares, as a community, we never claimed him, and don't want to. You can have him you bleeding troll. You deserve to get raped by him without lube, you daft cunt.

Her subsequent behavior following her alleged attack cancels out believability.

I worked as an ER nurse for many years, and I've yet to meet a victim that ran back to her attackers arms. If it was an assault involving a co-worker, many refused to set foot in the workplace afterward. Many even refused to leave the house. I've had contact with several agencies that assist sexual assault victims, and from what I learned over the last several years, I don't claim to be an expert, but something about this story doesn't sound like that honest truth.

As Whoopi said, there's rape and there is "rape rape."

Getting jumped on in an alley is significantly different than being high and having sex, which is different from being pressured then regretting it

As Natalie Greene said, "That's like kids who get high and blame it on peer pressure, it's bull and we all know it."

R442, Keyword = "many"

"I'm surprised he never tried to get with Katie Couric."

Puleeeze. Lauer doesn't like equals, or in her case, superiors. He may have gotten on his knees for her...we'll never know.

(Couric was the Today Show host with Gumble before Lauer sucked his way up)

Consenting in Hindsight: Why I Continued to Sleep with My Rapist

"I constantly thought to myself: What if I could relive the first night? If I went back in time and consented, it would have been a great story instead of a tragedy.

Every time I said yes, I was trying to consent retroactively. For me, sleeping with him was the ultimate denial that he ever raped me."

Oy R445. Unless they are married or tangled together in some way that can't be untangled, there is never any reason for someone who claims to have been raped to go back and sleep with her rapist. Some of these women just want resets and rape, at least these days, seems to wipe the slate clean of any and all past bad choices.

All of that can be perfectly valid, I suppose, if you come to that view of things and it helps you move on from a relationship that was not good for you.

But if it propels you to publish a book and hire a publicist and give interviews... that is all entirely misplaced. If you want to lodge a public complaint, we have an infrastructure for that. The publicity campaign will never be helpful to the woman who sees herself as the victim of a rape. Not unless she is just looking for revenge and a payout. For that, it is useful.

But otherwise, talk to your friends about, or talk to your family, or talk to your therapist. But treat it like the damaging thing you have come to understand it to be. Don't turn it into a soapbox from which to shout, "J'accuse!"

A woman sleeps with the man she's been crushing on, and she's convinced it's true love. A man sleeps with a woman who's made it clear to him that she's readily available, and he thinks he got lucky.

The woman realizes that her feelings are never going to be returned, and she morphs into a revengeful woman who may eventually appear in front of Judge Judy.

Ronan Farrow gives me the creeps. And how weird is it that the biological son of Woody Allen, who is gay, turns out to be a "journalist" championing all these "me too" victims?

He's CREEPY!

Bravo Ronan! He's doing a great job!

You can't choose your parents!

I don't buy for a NY second that Allen is Ronan's biological father. Anyone can tell that he is Sinatra's son. Same colouring, bone structure, shape of head, and build. Very telling he goes by his mum's surname.

Well, it's even creepier if he really is Sinatra's son. Sinatra was one of the great misogynists of all time. He once ate a plate of ham and eggs off a hook's bare chest.

"He once ate a plate of ham and eggs off a hook's bare chest."

That must have been painful!

I got Matt Lauer to cheat on his wife with me and fuck me in the ass several times, now I'm a millionaire with a book deal! Woo Hoo! Go Me!

I'm sure her lawyer took a big cut of that million dollar payout.

hooker! prostitute! whore!

And she didn't get no million bucks neither!!

Miss Ronan just bought a penthouse for $5.65 million.

I'm surprised Ronan hasn't been Julian Assanged since conservatives are using his claims to go after the Clintons and NBC.

R445 Oh spare me! No amount of psychobabble is going to make me feel sorry for you when many people who were raped didn't have a fucking choice. None of those had the good fortune to be raped by a celebrity either. Makes my blood boil.

What this woman is doing is doing is truly hateful and makes the #metoo movement which had to happen suspect.

Ellen and Matt Lauer are good friends

R454, You failed to mention that the ass fucking was without lube.

[quote]Is Ann Curry under some sort of NDA, because she never publicly talks about Lauer.

I think so. I bet there was a lot more to their drama then reported.

"Makes my blood boil."

I'm glad that SOMETHING will get your geezer ass boiling.

$5.65 million on a condo . . . . . . . .

Ronan's doing a hell of a lot better than your average Datalounger.

I saw a report on TV, they said when an incident ( i think it was this one) happened, a woman( I think it was this gal) told Ann Curry and Ann Curry told mgmt that ML has a problem with women and they have to do something about it and watch him closely. NBC said Ann Curry never told them anything regarding a particular incident.

[quote]She has a million dollars in the bank and never pressed charges.

That's because she wasn't a victim. If she wanted justice, she would have pressed charges, sued his ass, and not have an affair with the man she said raped her. Now, she has fat bank account and this trick can't keep from smiling when the cameras were following her.

[quote] I'm surprised he never tried to get with Katie Couric

Even a rapist will stoop only so low

Disgraced anchor Matt Lauer and his one-time “Today” co-host Meredith Vieira “never spoke again” after he was axed from the morning television program, according to a report.

The pair worked together for five years but their close relationship crumbled in the aftermath of Lauer’s firing over mounting sexual assault allegations, People reported.

“Matt Lauer and Meredith Vieira never spoke again since his firing,” a source told the outlet.

Ronan Farrow’s new book “Catch and Kill” has revealed that Vieira’s former assistant, Brooke Nevils, claims she was anally raped by Lauer in a Sochi hotel in 2014, Variety reported.

Nevils had been on assignment with Vieira — who had left “Today” in 2011 but returned for Olympic coverage — when Lauer invited her back to his hotel room.

It wasn’t until years later that Nevils confided in Vieira about the sexual encounter with Lauer, the book reports. With Vieira’s encouragement, Nevils formally reported the incident in 2017 to the Peacock network, leading to Lauer’s dismissal.

Vieira previously said that her relationship with Lauer has become “so complicated” in the wake of the scandal.

“Matt and I were very close. He was very kind to me,” Vieira told People.

Lauer denied the bombshell allegations in Farrow’s book in a lengthy statement released Wednesday.

“Today, nearly two years after I was fired by NBC, old stories are being recycled, titillating details are being added, and a dangerous and defamatory new allegation is being made,” he said in an open letter. “All are being spread as part of a promotional effort to sell a book. It’s outrageous. So, after not speaking out to protect my children, it is now with their full support I say ‘enough.’”

This whole thing is so bizarre, I don't know what to make of it.

[quote]Believe there's more to the story with Lauer. And what we are aware of is the tip of the iceberg. It was common knowledge that Lauer's sexual exploits were well-known in NY circles. His wife even publicly confronted one of his many work paramours at a gathering years ago. With this reputation, it is certain that NBC was well-aware of the situation; covering, if not tacitly supporting their star player. As Farrow notes, there was/is evidence of shenanigans (even boss Andy Lack is suspected of sexual issues), and as #MeToo accelerated with Weinstein collapsing and Farrow persistent at reputable The New Yorker, NBC was likely backed into a corner. Rather than face an avalanche of complicit accusations, they ousted Lauer on the basis of the Sochi incident.

[quote]Colleagues and the network quickly then got ahead of the story by breaking it and alternating between (faux?) shock and sadness. Will be interesting to see how Ronan's book impacts NBC. He continues to believe NBC wished to Catch and Kill the Weinstein story due to their own #MeToo tendencies. There may be blowback for NBC as his book and press tour circulates. Once again, though, NBC is attempting to get ahead of this by announcing it on their morning show with a mix of (faux?) indignation, support for Viera's producer, and denial of their complicity.

Rich McHugh worked with Ronan to bring forth the Weinstein stories at NBC. Like Farrow, he was told to "stand down" on reporting for several stories.

He explains the series of events occurring behind the scenes at NBC during this period and how it seems to relate to Matt Lauer.

The executives at NBC now appear corrupt and even the in-house counsel (Kimberly Harris) all appear to have lied and deceived their employees....AND the public. And according to the linked article, they have played "catch and kill" with information on Trump: the Access Hollywood tapes AND Celebrity Apprentice out takes.

Things might be very different globally if the public had access to all this information.

Lack, Oppenheimer and complicit executives should be removed from their positions. Full stop.

This girl went from being an intern to working as a personal assistant to Viera. She got the job from word of mouth, literally. If you ever wondered why you can't or didn't get ahead, you can see part of the answer here. You didn't put out. Knowing when and how to open and close your mouth and who to open your mouth to is what is missing from your skillset. People don't give you anything for nothing in return, not ever. Not back then and not even now in our enlightened times. Your talent, intelligence, good education and all of the letters after your name are not enough to open doors for you.

Matt Lauer propositioned and exposed himself to a “Today” show producer — who then “melted in pain” recalling the sickening behavior to Ann Curry, a new book alleges.

Melissa Lonner, the NBC show’s then-entertainment booker, confided in Curry, Lauer’s co-host at the time, about the horrific incident in 2010, according to Ronan Farrow’s new tome “Catch and Kill.”

Farrow wrote that he met with Curry, and her face was “graven with concern” as she told him about a settlement NBC had made with a woman who disclosed a serious allegation about Lauer.

“She told me that complaints about Lauer verbally harassing women in the office were well known in her day — and that once, in 2010, a colleague had pulled her into an empty office and broken down, saying Lauer had exposed himself and propositioned her,” Farrow writes.

The journalist says Curry told him, “It was as close as you could get to a women just melting in front of you in pain.”

Later, he discovered the woman’s identity: Lonner, the book says.

Lonner told colleagues that at the time, Lauer had asked her to leave a work event, where both had been at NBC headquarters at 30 Rockefeller Center in Manhattan, to join him in the office, according to “Catch and Kill.”

Although Lonner thought it would be a professional meeting, Lauer closed the door, and as he made small talk about the cocktail party they had just attended, “he unzipped his pants and exposed his erect penis,” the book says.

Lonner, then separated from her husband, laughed and tried to get out of his office by joking she didn’t want to be intimate in a place “where everyone else has done it,” Farrow writes.

But Lauer told her that “he knew that she wanted it,” the book says.

In response to her joke about his office affairs, Lauer allegedly responded that he “figured she liked it dirty” and that the encounter would be “first for you.”

Then, she said, he got angry, telling her, “Melissa, you’re a f–king tease. This is not good. You led me on,” the book says.

Sources close to Lauer disputed Lonner’s events to Farrow in the book, saying he only recalled making a joking lewd gesture.

But the book says Lonner was consistent as she told the same story in the years after.

She never went to higher-ups herself, and Lonner begged Curry and another on-air personality familiar with her story not to reveal her name to execs if they did, saying Lauer would destroy her career, according to the tome.

But Curry did tell two senior executives, whom she has declined to name, that they needed to do something about Lauer, the book says.

Curry told Farrow, “I told them that they had a problem in him. That he had a problem with women. That they had to keep an eye on him,” he writes.

Lonner tried to find another job at one point, landing an offer at CNN, the book says. But NBC execs told her that Lauer was insisting she stay, Farrow writes.

Then in 2013, she was fired allegedly without reason before her contract was up. She consulted a lawyer, who told her the statute of limitations prevented her from making a harassment claim, the book says.

Afterward, she was bizarrely offered a six-figure sum by NBC in exchange for signing a “release of rights,” and she later told friends she believed it was to keep her from talking to the press, “Catch and Kill” says. She signed the agreement.

News items then began emerging saying Lonner had been extremely difficult to work with.

Celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain helped get Ronan Farrow‘s Harvey Weinstein expose out for public consumption, a new book claims.

Farrow was initially reporting the story for NBC, but the network derailed its publication — so Bourdain urged The New Yorker to run the story, Farrow writes in his new tome “Catch and Kill.”

The late chef had been dating actress Asia Argento, who told Farrow that Weinstein sexually assaulted her.

Bourdain — who had been “supportive of Argento speaking” — dropped a line to magazine editor David Remnick, telling him that Weinstein’s behavior was sickening and that “everyone” had known about the allegations for too long.

“I am not a religious man,” Bourdain wrote. “But I pray you have the strength to run this story.”

NBC has denied the journalist’s characterization of the events, claiming that his reporting didn’t meet their broadcast standards standards.

The story ultimately helped bring down Weinstein and won a Pulitzer Prize for service journalism.

I can't — or can? — believe that Meredith Vieira knew nothing about Lauer's proclivities.

She has a reputation for being no-bullshit. She was one of the pioneers for female journalists and walked away from 60 Minutes when they wouldn't give her a flexible schedule because she was pregnant. NBC offered her a zillion dollars and the world to continue on Today after her five-year deal, and she turned them down, because she just didn't want to do it anymore.

I could see her not wanting to indulge in office gossip and drama, and just getting in her NBC-provided town car after the show to shoot back home to Westchester.

But if this was going on all around her — and affecting her own assistant ‚— how could she not have known?

R475 do we really need to go down this bullshit SHE KNEW road that everyone did with the Weinstein Streep debacle? These were fucking adults. Streep and Viera were accomplished professional women who earned their way not The Mommy of Hollywood and The Mommy of NBC respectively. Lauer was quite the insatiable perv and I'm one of the few people here who actually believe Brooke Nevols story. But society has got to stop telling young women to look for rescuers. And if we're going to go down the guilt by association route why not look at Savannah "tearful goodbye " Guthrie or Natalie Morales. And their questionable talents. Leave Viera out of it.

But Vieira made a public statement that she was "shocked" he was fired.

And the alleged rape happened because Meredith's assistant joined Matt and Meredith for drinks, had six shots of vodka and then went to Matt's room.

If there were all these issues with women in the past, wouldn't Meredith have warned or intervened? Called the drunk chick an Uber?

R477 I dont believe any of that was necessary, as from my understanding they were drinking in the hotel bar. Perhaps MV believed she was going up to HER OWN room, not Matt's. We're not even sure the two left together.

I don't know, I wasn't there. And I'm not trying to create a false equivalence.

But if Lauer's harassment of women was so widely known, why was Savannah Guthrie crying crocodile tears and claiming to be "shocked" the day Lauer was fired, and Meredith Vieira was claiming to be "shocked" that he was fired (when she told her assistant to report this alleged rape to NBC, which led to his firing).

There is a game being played here, and it's clear that experienced women who should have known better turned a blind eye in certain situations and are trying to pass themselves off as innocents.

This is not to "blame" them or to try and absolve Lauer, but for fuck's sake, can everyone just stop lying and spinning already?

Vieira made a public statement that she was "shocked" he was fired.

Meredith lied and proclaimed innocence. She knew her former assistant caused Lauer to be fired.

[quote]The 65-year-old broadcast journalist opened up about her reaction to Lauer's firing during an interview with People on Wednesday, admitting, "It was a shock."

[quote]"I was (in Los Angeles), and my phone started going off at 4 a.m.," Vieira recalled. "I didn’t know what to make of all of it."

[quote]Vieira and Lauer served as co-hosts of NBC's "Today" from 2006 to 2011. Vieira said she developed a close relationship with her colleague during their time together: "We were like brother and sister."

It's so weird to me that Meredith Vieira — by all accounts a real straight shooter — didn't just say "no comment" but fibbed.

R483 I think you certainly did an odd take on it. I don't think someone is lying by saying they're shocked. She may never have believed his accuser's account, and remained dip,omatic by telling her to take it to HR. She probably didn't wish to be involved, other than to recommend the proper protocol.

At CBS, they said they were shocked by Charlie Rose's ousting also. In certain circles, Charlie was known to be a horndog and grossly inappropriate at times. If it doesn't happen to you personally, I can see people being shocked by the outcome. Both happened rather quickly, and that timing can be a shock to colleagues as well.

Meredith didn't know about the rape or affair until it was over when Nevils told her, her own words. She then told Nevils to go to NBC and he was fired right away. Why wouldn't she be shocked this had all going on? She had three kids and a husband battling MS and going blind. I'm sure the second her work was done she was out of there and not skulking the halls of NBC looking for gossip.

R483, , are you R477 as well? I find it curious you want to blame MV, who BTW, is an upstanding, great lady, and beyond reproach in my estimation by how she has lived her life the past sixty-six years.

One odd factor I find in common with others who seem quite quick to lay blame on others is that they make a lot of hasty assumptions along the way without ever questioning how they even arrived at such theories. You certainly seem out of the loop as far as the relevant facts are concerned, so I would've be so surre about blaming anyone here, except quite possibly Lauer.

I am not "blaming" Vieira. All I'm saying is, the "shocked" story doesn't wash. This stuff was supposedly happening in the office and on work trips.

When people fuck in the office and on work trips, it gets around. Everyone knows by osmosis. And Vieira was literally there the night they were drinking pre-fuck, and worked with the alleged victim the day after.

Why would you wait three years to tell your boss that the co-worker they consider a "brother" raped you — you're supposedly a journalist; you know how sexual assault prosecution works.

Everyone at NBC knew that Lauer kept a separate apartment in Manhattan for his conquests.

Again, not trying to excuse Lauer, but there is a lot of disingenuousness and spinning going on here.

I'm sorry but I don't at all subscribe to your POV R488. A consummate professional like Viera would mind her own business, even if she did suspect any hanky-panky between two consenting adults. Furthermore as a principled (Catholic) woman, I think she probably would not want to judge or know too much. MV is liberal for her age, lifestyle, and background, and even if she thought it a bad idea for the two to be involved, she more than likely felt it wasn't her place to opine. Any spin certainly could have come from the network, but I don't think there is any reason to question what she did or didn't do. Most of us try to give others the benefit of doubt, and simply brush off things which hindsight reveals later as obvious. It's a healthy defence mechanism in my estimation not to read too much into things. Sometimes we're very wrong about our judgment of people... both ways.

[Quote]All I'm saying is, the "shocked" story doesn't wash. This stuff was supposedly happening in the office and on work trips.

You're really shocked that she claimed she was "shocked"? They all knew what was going on since there had been gossip about his behavior for years. The "I was shocked" statement after he was fired was typical PR damage control. What was she supposed to say? I knew what was going on for years but never really did anything about it or cared? Look at all the assholes who worked closely with Weinstein for years and never noticed any weird or inappropriate behavior. These people all loved making a lot of money and their careers and turned a blind eye to everything else.

Wonder if she set him up. She certainly looks harmless, so unlikely she lured him into her web. He was just looking for an ass. She let it go on and played her hand to the powers that be at NBC for a 7 figure payout, no wonder she is smiling . .

c.

^ YAWN, people have posted the same bullshit statement here already a million times. Shove that 7 figure payout up your collective asses already and fuck off, rapists supporters.

They're saying he raped women in his office, and he left one of his victims on the floor of office. That is quite a stretch for me to believe.

[Quote]They're saying he raped women in his office, and he left one of his victims on the floor of office. That is quite a stretch for me to believe.

You're so right. I actually heard from people there are priests who rape little boys. Can you believe this? Men of God would never do this. I knew immediately they were lying.

No. the point is that he raped someone in his office , charges were not filed and everyone conspired to keep this secret because of who he is.He is a bobblehead teleprompter reader, not a venerated priest.

Ronan Farrow is the real rapist!

They are trying to discredit Ronan!

I too had seen she had been shopping for a book deal somewhere. When I Google though every article cites Page 6 as their source, so possibly bullshit.

I too had seen she had been shopping for a book deal somewhere. When I Google though every article cites Page 6 as their source, so possibly bullshit.

Perhaps Meredith was merely shocked that they fired him. Not shocked that he was accused of such a thing.

so many trolls

She wasn't raped, her advances on him were rejected, as they say, Hell has no fury....

[quote]YAWN, people have posted the same bullshit statement here already a million times. Shove that 7 figure payout up your collective asses already and fuck off, rapists supporters.

But aren't rapists arrested and tried? Oh year she didn't call the cops, she took the money. So no one is a rapist supporter, just stating facts.

When did Ronan get so cross-eyed? He looked like a blonde Andy Cohen on "The View" yesterday.

Blind item.

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Amy Robach left in 2012.

Does that mean all them have herpes too?

Did he assault people when his local news days too?

[quote]Amy Robach left in 2012.

So was she the "Matt Lauer had an affair with a ‘well-respected’ NBC star" or the "Matt Lauer treated former on-air NBC personality like ‘hanging piece of meat". Two different women. Boy he was oversexed.

My first guess was Debra Messing, but they 𝒅𝒊𝒅 say "well respected". So that narrows it down.

Tina Fey?

[R442] You've been an ER nurse for many years and never seen a rape/abuse victim go back to their rapist abuser ???

Sure, Jan.

It's gross the amount of shit victims have to go through, while their rapist gets every excuse under the damn sun and they are constantly gaslighted. It's little wonder why these sick fucks can keep hurting and using people for so long. The victim gets blamed and shamed. NBC and their nasty covering ups to keep the gravy train rolling. Just like with nasty Trump too. Fuck that network

I kind of remember some rumor that Tina Fey has been cheating on her husband for years.

Nasty woman.

Hypocrisy!

It would be funny if Matt hit on Jenna Wolfe!

𝗥𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗻 𝗙𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗼𝘄 𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘀 𝗢𝘂𝘁 𝗡𝗕𝗖 𝗗𝘂𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗜𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘃𝗶𝗲𝘄 𝗼𝗻 𝗙𝗼𝘅 𝗡𝗲𝘄𝘀: 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 ‘𝗗𝗶𝗱𝗻’𝘁 𝗕𝗲𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗝𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆’

Ronan Farrow sat down with Fox News’s Bret Baier to talk about the revelations made in his new book Catch and Kill. During the interview that aired on Fox News on Wednesday night, Farrow called out NBC for not behaving journalistically in their handling of his story, which they declined to publish.

“This was a case where a news organization didn’t behave journalistically,” said, speaking of NBC’s decision not to run the story.”They ordered us to stop.”

At one point in the interview, Baier asked Farrow if he felt “demoralized” when NBC “[closed] your story.”

Ronan started off by pointing out that when NBC passed he took it to The New Yorker, where it quickly became “a significant body of reporting.”

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If Ann Curry speaks out publicly, and I wish she would, SHE'LL be destroyed for not speaking out sooner. Like in 2012 when she left NBC.

R511 then when does the problem begin? When they won't bring charges until after the rapist ends the relationship? Then how can you believe they were raped in the first place? Just because they say they were? Well then any body who has a long term relationship with somebody who is then dumped can say the first time was rape which so traumatized them they became dickmatized. I guess it can happen but just because they claim dickmatization by rape doesn't make it true.

When he stopped taking my calls I knew the first time was rape.

Matt Lauer molested me.

Katie Couric interviewed Ronan on her podcast and didn’t even acknowledge knowing Matt. It was so weird. Elephant in the room. Why even bother?

What in God's name?

Not defending Lauer or his actions by any means, but I have to say that Ronan Farrow really strikes me as a prissy, smug, judgmental little queen with a MAJOR ax to grind against NBC (for many of the reasons already noted here). His appearance and demeanor is off putting, perched on the chair, legs daintily crossed, with that high voice. At times he was practically incoherent, but practically quivering with self satisfied importance, while relaying this convoluted story about how he was "followed" (presumably by NBC goons??) and getting breather phone calls, etc etc, and then right in the middle of this yarn he inserts this cutesy anecdote about trying to get his boyfriend to read his marriage proposal which was evidently inserted into the galleys of his book or some shit.

The book itself has cheap looking cover graphics, and worst of all, features a full length, half lit photo of Farrow in a VERY Sinatraesque posture - all he needs is a drink in his hand and a fedora on his head, or perhaps a raincoat over his shoulder held daintily by one finger.

Pulitzer or no Pulitzer, there is something very, VERY phony about this guy; yes, I know he has a credible education and all, but I can't help feeling that if his name was Satchel P. Jones that he would be getting all this fawning attention and lionizing for his "investigative journalism" and "reporting." Even Colbert seemed a little put off by him, and could not resist making a Sinatra reference. Which he giggled at.

Again, not to excuse Lauer or Weinstein's actions, just talking about the sense I get from him personally. YUCK!!

You don't know Ronan, you don't understand or like him. Wonderful. The end.

So Iiscan Sinatra his biol father or what? He is only candid when it suits his purpose.

Yes, R524, something is off all right.

I'd like to think he was Sinatra's son but then you look at Mia Farrow's father and it's all him. Maybe that's why Mia Farrow fell for Frank.

You've got to admit except for Woody she kept on good terms with her exes. People on DL like to say she's batshit. So what? She's given some wonderful performances. And as pretty as her mother was I don't think she was as talented as her daughter.

R524 & R527 - I also agree. I've seen Ronan's tweets and he seems to be more concerned about being vindicated about his story than the victims. It seems really entitled & self aggrandizing to me. I'm still a fan of his work, but his personality is a turn off.

R528 She's BSC and a fucking hypocrite who also abused her other non-White adopted children. Oh, and don't let the fact that she still supports her friend, convicted child rapist Roman Polanski slip by you.