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Is drag "girlface"?

A Facebook friend posted on his timeline this very question, in light of the Justin Trudeau "brownface" scandal.

I rolled my eyes and sighed, but to my surprise many people posted replies indicating yes, it is.

For the record, I love drag queens and watching drag performances. I've never thought drag performances were misogynistic in nature.

Would love to hear what DLers think.

by Anonymousreply 11201/25/2021

Team Drag.

by Anonymousreply 109/20/2019

Cancel Culture has become nothing more than online "re-education camps"

by Anonymousreply 209/20/2019

Of course they are misogynistic in nature. I find it entertaining at times too, but there is no denying it is rooted in misogyny.

by Anonymousreply 309/20/2019

R3, is it, really? I honestly thought most guys doing drag adore women and love the idea of looking like them.

by Anonymousreply 409/20/2019

Yes it is

by Anonymousreply 509/20/2019

It is rooted in envy and not a little admiration not misogyny. Male to female trans is misogyny.

It is the only genuine appropriation as in theft there is.

by Anonymousreply 609/20/2019


by Anonymousreply 709/20/2019

Well, they kind of are a parody of women. But, since it involves a disadvantaged group, it might get a pass.

by Anonymousreply 809/20/2019

Women are the majority in most developed countries, so it's irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 909/20/2019

It's often misogynistic, it's definitely "girlface" but since gays are lower than women on the Victim Scale, it gets a pass.

But your FB friends are right OP

by Anonymousreply 1009/20/2019

When done well, the art of female illusionary is a compliment to women.

Most Halloween drag and ugly "girls" are definitely an insult to pretty women, but not fat or ugly ones..

by Anonymousreply 1109/20/2019

To a bizarre Millennial, yes.

by Anonymousreply 1209/20/2019

I think not because drag queens are being drag queens, not women specifically. Trans is woman face.

by Anonymousreply 1309/20/2019

Christ, this crap again.

Women are immediately banned from all gay bars and all sports activities. Why? Same logic. Its appropriation. Women always turn every damn thing into “look at me! Pay attention to ME!”

Being obsessed with canceling authentic gay forms of entertainment means women are absolutely not allies.

Either deal with gay culture or fuck off back to kinder, küche, kirche. Don’t look for any support as your rights get eroded.

Cancel culture? More like Cancel Cunts.

by Anonymousreply 1409/20/2019

I like drag, but it is girlface. You are dressing up and pretending to be something you aren’t.

by Anonymousreply 1509/20/2019

As a woman I have never, ever had a problem with drag and I do not understand those who do.

I believe that drag characters are lovingly created by the male drag performers as almost an extension of themselves, I see no malice in it.

I guess you could call it "girlface", which is an obvious reference and an obvious comparison to "blackface" or "brownface". I believe that gender and ethnicity are two separate topics and that both come with different reactions from people and different challenges and problems.

I see drag as an art form, and drag queens as performers and I believe their characters are not a blanket statement about women as a whole but as individual characters with their own motivations and their own stories to tell.

by Anonymousreply 1609/20/2019

Cosmetics were a french fashion that were for men and women. Coopting this as “women only” is historically wrong and typical posturing.

Not only is there a historical precedent for drag, the most political and outrageous forms of buffoonery as political satire were the only protected speech in Ancient Rome and Nazi Berlin.

Not women: fags in make up.

So shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 1709/20/2019

I remember an interview with some old school drag performer - maybe somebody else remembers it too - when asked if he wanted to be a woman, the queen answered vehemently, 'I ain't no damn woman. I don't want to be no damn woman', and on and on. It was clear from the way he talked about women that he had total contempt for them. He might be a big old queen, but he was still a man, and superior to them.

I think some drag is done with love, to celebrate. But there's plenty of drag that is mean-spirited and coming from a place of negativity for the very thing it's trying to evoke. The point is, it's not all the same.

by Anonymousreply 1809/20/2019

Fraus [bold]love[/bold] RuPaul's Drag Race though, so if they're complaining about drag being 'girlface' at the same time, it's a bit disingenuous.

Who the fuck do you think is pushing this recent phenomenon of 'drag kids'? It's their mothers.

by Anonymousreply 1909/20/2019

Oh, definitely Team Drag. This is the Datalounge for god's sake.

Tellingly, the OP is already on ignore as are most of the posts in this thread.

Stealth Trans-bashing thread by those odious hateful hags.

Dumb bigoted cunts are still dumb cunty bigots.

by Anonymousreply 2009/20/2019

R15 That is trans, not drag,

by Anonymousreply 2109/20/2019

Long ago, I used to do coat checks at the local gay bar as a fundraiser for an AIDS organization, and it had a regular Saturday night drag show, which was also the night with a DJ and dance music. So the straights came with their GFs and the gays came to dance and ogle the straight boys, and the drag queens did their shows. Inevitably the night ended with police presence, as either straight women insulted the drag queens or the drag queens insulted the straight women. Whichever it was on a given night, it wasn't ever more than 5 minutes of shouting until the shoes came off and got thrown, and wigs were pulled off of heads. It was entertaining, but a time or two I had to duck down among the coats to avoid the line of fire.

by Anonymousreply 2209/20/2019

Yeah, they need to have segregated "straight nights" when the tourists can come around.

Decent gays and queens don't want to be involved in that mess.

by Anonymousreply 2309/20/2019

O please! Girls/females have been canceled out by the trannies. That gender no longer exists or means anything.

by Anonymousreply 2409/20/2019

Go to the ignore ghetto, R24.

You're too stupid to be read by normal people.

Also, please die as soon as possible because you are of no use to anyone in the world and no one loves you. TIA!

by Anonymousreply 2509/21/2019

[quote] 'I ain't no damn woman. I don't want to be no damn woman', and on and on. It was clear from the way he talked about women that he had total contempt for them. He might be a big old queen, but he was still a man, and superior to them.

Exactly, it's like a form of knocking down for them because of what straight male society did to them. And as time goes on and gays gain more rights, it is even more ugly. I suspect the people defending it so vehemently and telling everyone who is critical to shut up are very old. And saying that women are ok with that doesn't really make your point. There are lots of women who wear burkas who think it empowers them and is not misogynistic in any way. Doesn't make that true.

by Anonymousreply 2609/21/2019

So R26, drag is bad because you feel it’s gay men knocking down women. But it’s ok for you to demean supporters of drag by saying, in an insulting way, that they are probably ‘very old’. Because to you, it’s ok to ignore or insult those who you see as ‘old’.

You fucking, lousy, bent-double hypocrite. Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 2709/21/2019

It's totally misogynistic. Gay men degrading women by exaggerating their most vulnerable characteristics.

And that's what makes it so much fun! 💁🏼‍♀️

by Anonymousreply 2809/21/2019

R25 cannot handle the truth and quit projecting, cunt.

by Anonymousreply 2909/21/2019

Yes. They exaggerate women's supposed behavior, but really they just act like a bimbo, i mean not all women are loud, like to cake on makeup or wear flashy, revealing clothes. In that sense, you could compare it with blackface because they're only portraying an stereotype of how they think women are.

by Anonymousreply 3009/21/2019

[quote]'I ain't no damn woman. I don't want to be no damn woman', and on and on. It was clear from the way he talked about women that he had total contempt for them. He might be a big old queen, but he was still a man, and superior to them.

But if a straight guy says the same thing in response he gets a pass. He was probably just sick of hearing how "gay men are all jealous of women" at that point.

by Anonymousreply 3109/21/2019

I hate the Internet.

by Anonymousreply 3209/21/2019

i've noticed many places and articles using brownface instead of blackface are they trying to minimize it because justin is a liberal or what? it's usually blackface and his face was as black as boot black.

by Anonymousreply 3309/21/2019

It is no different than blackface.

by Anonymousreply 3409/21/2019

Misogyny is not the same as blackface. Most people hate the bitches because they are cunts.

by Anonymousreply 3509/21/2019

A drag performer doing Liza Minnelli or Barbra Streisand is exaggerating an individual’s characteristics and has put some thought and work into the performance. It doesn’t seem insulting to me, but I’m not Liza or Barbra. A guy in drag in 4” heels, a platinum wig, six pounds of make up and sequins is mocking women by defining womanhood as those things. It’s not the world’s biggest problem.

I saw a bunch of six grade boys dress in drag for their school talent show. They were not mocking women, they were mocking men who dress as women. I was pretty shocked but, now that I think about it, if drag queens can mock women, maybe boys can mock drag queens? The boys’ performance strict me as pretty ugly, but nobody else seemed offended.

by Anonymousreply 3609/21/2019

R36 That would be a class known as “female impersonator”.

Drag is usually political. Drag is dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 3709/21/2019

[quote]I was pretty shocked but, now that I think about it, if drag queens can mock women, maybe boys can mock drag queens? The boys’ performance strict me as pretty ugly, but nobody else seemed offended.

It was males mocking males, so...?

by Anonymousreply 3809/21/2019

And you all got trolled by Mary Cheney.

Fuck the Cheneys.

by Anonymousreply 3909/21/2019

It absolutely is. "Hahaha!! I'm dressed up like a WOMAN! Isnt that HILARIOUS??!!"

by Anonymousreply 4009/21/2019

I agree with the posters who said that not all drag queens have the same intent. It can be VERY misogynistic and mean spirited ("fish"-- need I say more?), or relatively harmless (RuPaul), or even sweet and tender (Edith's friend Beverly on "All in the Family"). Motivation matters.

Now trans... Yes, that is womanface. It degrades women in a way that drag does not, IMO. Like, legally.

by Anonymousreply 4109/21/2019

W&W for Girl Not Offended.

I love women and I enjoy seeing [italic]creative[/creative] drag.

by Anonymousreply 4209/21/2019

Oops [/italic] Closing italics.

by Anonymousreply 4309/21/2019

If you’re going to get offended by culture appropriation, there are no blurred lines. I don’t know any male friend who didn’t dress up in Indian garb...meaning Native North Americans, for Halloween from childhood on. We all know this, unless you’re Amish, let’s stop being shocked.

When do we call over tanning unexceptable. Kim Kardashian constantly portrays everything except what she actually is. Yet she gets away with it because we all think she mentally deficient.

by Anonymousreply 4409/21/2019

Stop with “the face” thing. It’s like calling everything political “gate”. Watergate was the fucking hotel. That’s it! Everything is offensive now! I actually don’t know if the next sentence I write, will be offensive to someone. My guesses, yes!

by Anonymousreply 4509/22/2019

Cancel culture is being weaponized by the opposition to plant the seed of turning against one of your own.

"I hear he / she doesn't recycle at home! Cancel!" "I hear he / she shops at Walmart! Cancel!" "I hear he/she celebrates Halloween! Cancel!" "I hear he / she serves food with high fructose corn syrup! CANCEL!!!!!" ...

Cancel = Burn the witch!

by Anonymousreply 4609/22/2019

Come Halloween, how many Indians are we going to see. It’s such an easy costume...a headdress that you can buy at your nearest trading post, (this is a thing in Canada). I’m Canadian, I know reality here! So, should I call the cops on a child dressed up as a Native? Honestly, people really do active genetic searches to find out if their.0000489 percent Native to get the benefits of true Native Canadians. This really is a thing and beyond offensive.

by Anonymousreply 4709/22/2019

[quote]Fraus love RuPaul's Drag Race though, so if they're complaining about drag being 'girlface' at the same time, it's a bit disingenuous.

What makes you think the women on OP's facebook page are the same women who watch Drag Race?

Most of the replies on here act like women are some sort of monolith and that if OP sees three ladies on Facebook say something then all women believe the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 4809/22/2019

[quote]Cancel culture is being weaponized by the opposition to plant the seed of turning against one of your own.

That's the way it's always been though. Republicans and also media types say Democrats should be held to a higher standard so we get things like Al Franken, who was definitely one of those old touchy-feely Boomer types, get run out of the Senate for things that no Republican would get run out for. When I was a kid Republicans were always slamming Carter for being less moral than he claimed he was, there was a whole thing about how he admitted to having lusted after women but never cheated, and Repugs were "he's a hypocrite!!!" 24/7.

Republicans have always accused liberals of doing the things they themselves are doing. It's not a cancel culture thing, it's a Republican thing.

by Anonymousreply 4909/22/2019

It's because the Arabian character he was playing wasn't black, R33. It's brownface when it's a white person who put on cork to look Latino, Arabic, Native American, etc. It's blackface when they're wearing cork to look like a black person.

by Anonymousreply 5009/22/2019

Shall we bring up the instances and actual movies where culture appropriation is the selling point.

Sit the fuck down you pious ones. I’m pretty sure you did stuff as a ‘normal’ thinking it won’t be dredged up. If this is the worse they got, for fuck sakes, they literally have costumes with masks of a different colour.

Oh, yeah...anyone on this site, speaking out against Trudeau, you are helping a dick who literally goes on anti gay rants, and refuses to apologize.

by Anonymousreply 5109/22/2019

Only when it comes from a place of derision and ridicule, I.e., Milton Berle et al. But in general, most drag queens admire women, they love performing as women, even when they go to exaggeration for entertainment value.

Blackface performers always mocked blacks, whom they considered inferior. No admiration there.

by Anonymousreply 5209/22/2019

I’m sure Trudeau “loves” black people too r52, still doesn’t make it right or not an act of condescension.

by Anonymousreply 5309/22/2019

Condescension is a bad enough reason to do blackface, since you can love a culture yet still feel superior to them. That’s not the case at all with drag queens, with the exception of some straight performers like Milton Berle. However, there were others who did drag without resorting to condescension - like Curtis&Lemmon, Flip Wilson, Dame Edna, et al.

by Anonymousreply 5409/22/2019

This guy sums it up beautifully.

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by Anonymousreply 5509/22/2019

Was there any criticism when the Wayan brothers did White Chicks? I honestly don't remember.

by Anonymousreply 5609/22/2019

Drag is so cringey, if only it would just cease to be.

by Anonymousreply 5709/22/2019

Lol at the vid at r55. Yeah, men don’t get to decide if a parody of womanhood is offensive to women.

by Anonymousreply 5809/22/2019

All you non Canadians, do you know who Trudeau’s opponent is? He’s Andrew Scheer. And he super hates the gays. Yes, this piece of shit has gone on many rants about the gays, and still refuses to apologize. Gay marriage will be abolished. I’m not making this up. Stop being self righteous idiots. By today’s standards, we all misappropriated something. I’m not willing to take 3 gay steps back for ugly ass Scheer. He’s actually doing “thumbs up”, to gain the Trump crowd.

by Anonymousreply 5909/22/2019

R56 There was not an ounce of outrage over the Wayans brothers' film 'White Chicks'. The Wayans brothers are doing just fine.

Cancel culture and those who are exempt from it....I dunno.

by Anonymousreply 6009/22/2019

Thanks R42!

by Anonymousreply 6109/22/2019

White Chicks was black men mocking WHITE women. The element of race plays into why no one said anything about it. Plus, it was 15 years ago. If a movie was made today about the Wayans dressing up as a stereotype of black women.... Well, they wouldn't even try it and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 6209/22/2019

A lot of the ‘lesbian’ MTFs excel at Frauface.

by Anonymousreply 6309/22/2019

R62 And if the film had been made today with the Wayans brother imitating and mocking white women there would still be zero outrage.

People who want to be exempt from responsibility or treating others as they would like to be treated who then constantly complain that they're not...oh, never mind.

by Anonymousreply 6409/22/2019

The fact this is being raised is a ticking time bomb for drag queens. Overnight, the mob can suddenly deem it offensive and careers destroyed. Ru Paul included.

by Anonymousreply 6509/22/2019

The mob has already tried to destroy RuPaul several times in recent years.

e.g. "You've Got She-Mail", the Vixen, stating that trans women wouldn't be contestants on his show.

by Anonymousreply 6609/22/2019

What is the difference between this cancel culture nonsense and religious extremists? We've had spates of it here over the decades. We had Carrie Nation and the prohibition movement. That turned out *really well*.

Why is it that a little power turns into such a dangerous drug?

by Anonymousreply 6709/22/2019

[quote] What is the difference between this cancel culture nonsense and religious extremists


by Anonymousreply 6809/23/2019

[quote]It's totally misogynistic. Gay men degrading women by exaggerating their most vulnerable characteristics.

Yes! Just like EVERY MtF tranny!

by Anonymousreply 6909/23/2019

R67, and don't forget the postwar Red Scare and McCarthy era. People were (the 1950s equivalent of) canceled for beliefs they had held 15 years earlier, or for refusing to turn in friends and colleagues whose politics might have been a little pink.

Most moral panics have a core of reality. Racism is real; sexual harassment is real. There really were Americans spying for the Soviets in the '40s. But then we take it too far; what started as a reasonable concern gets whipped into a frenzy of zealotry until eventually the whole thing collapses and is repudiated by a subsequent era.

by Anonymousreply 7009/23/2019

Correct R70. And "zealotry" is very apt word.

by Anonymousreply 7109/24/2019

"The mob has already tried to destroy RuPaul several times in recent years. e.g. 'You've Got She-Mail', the Vixen, stating that trans women wouldn't be contestants on his show."

That was beyond ridiculous. If transwomen ARE women-- as they chant loudly and endlessly-- then how on earth can they be drag queens? Drag queens are MEN portraying women. That's the definition, FFS. Poor Ru took their words to heart and they went after him anyway.

by Anonymousreply 7209/24/2019

I'd think any reasonably intelligent and self-aware woman would be able to understand the difference between simply being a woman and the performance of womanhood. The latter is socially encouraged/enforced. It's the cultural force behind women saying things like "I can't leave the house without putting on my face." Drag queens are about playing with that *performance.* Many drag queens aren't particularly clever about it, they're just going for a very literal aping of beauty queen presentation standards. And I've seen some claim that they're better at performing womanhood than any woman, which certainly comes across as hostile. But there's nothing inherently misogynistic about drag. (Unless you think putting on a full face of makeup is inherent to womanhood.)

by Anonymousreply 7309/24/2019

I'm a woman, I don't see the appeal in drag although there are some extremely talented performers (Divine) that are out of anyone's league, but now that you mention it OP, yes, I've always felt it was "girlface". It feels like a caricature or a misconception of what being a woman is. I've never seen the point, but some people love it.

by Anonymousreply 7409/24/2019

It's simple, really, and applies to all arguments on appropriation/blank-face/dressing up:

1. Are you my personal/political/social enemy? Then what you are doing is hate and literally is the result of pain and violence for countless people worldwide.

2. Are you my personal/political/social ally? Then what you are doing is either an homage, being open to understanding others' points of view, or a simple, misunderstood indiscretion.



No one is truly ever hurt by this. It's all a platform to suck away power from others. Backlash will come eventually.

by Anonymousreply 7509/24/2019

In other words, R75, its okay if someone you like does it, not okay otherwise. That's called hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 7609/24/2019

R76 Yes, the hypocrites are now excusing the dopey Canadian who loves playing dress-ups.

by Anonymousreply 7709/24/2019

It's gender critical/feminists that have been pushing the "drag is woman face" narrative lately. First they said, a man wearing makeup and dresses doesn't turn you into a woman and now they are saying if a man does wear makeup and dresses it's "woman face" lol and for all their talk about transgenders reducing women to stereotypes... they can't even keep up with their own BS arguments, and worse of all is how they are comparing this to blackface as if it's the same thing. Good, god, it just shows how unbelievably stupid they really are and their lack of comprehension on the history of drag. I've been following them for a few good few years now. At first I was with them on their views on transgenderism but recently I've grown tired of them, this and their harassment of high profile gay men, accusing them of either being pedophiles or pro pedophilia, abusing them whenever they start a family via surrogacy, and bemoaning that we are worse misogynist than straight men only to then have the gall to turn around and say "why aren't gay men supporting us?!" And you wonder why gay men aren't interested in your female problems. I've had enough of them and their homophobia. They may well be right on the trans issue but that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 7809/24/2019

Even if drsg is not offensive, it's still kind of gross and painful to watch.

by Anonymousreply 7909/24/2019

^^^ drag

by Anonymousreply 8009/24/2019

And another thing is a lot, if not all, of these feminists/gender criticals are left leaning. They like to claim because they are left they cannot be homophobic, yet they have no problem with calling out leftist men on their misogyny, again with their blatant hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 8109/24/2019

Most gay guys I’ve seen do drag for parties get bored with it after a few months.

ALL the ones who continue to do it are low-class morons who are in lousy jobs or unemployed.

by Anonymousreply 8209/24/2019

"At first I was with them on their views on transgenderism..."

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by Anonymousreply 8309/24/2019

Blackface: Dressing and acting in an exaggerated manner, using stereotypical makeup and mannerisms in order to ridicule or otherwise make the butt of jokes a traditionally suppressed group of people. Usually done under the guise of good natured entertainment.

Drag: Dressing and acting in an exaggerated manner, using stereotypical makeup and mannerisms in order to ridicule or otherwise make the butt of jokes a traditionally suppressed group of people. Usually done under the guise of good natured entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 8409/24/2019

This shit is the beginning of something worse. Soon, gay guys having sex with men instead of women is going to be considered a misogynistic and sexist hate crime. Trust me, something awful is brewing in society, and cancel culture is just the horse it’s riding in on.

by Anonymousreply 8509/24/2019

If these idiots are going to say drag queens doing female impersonation is misogyny then by equal reason drag kings are misandrist for appropriating manhood. And given that most drag kings are lesbians, go tell Gladys Bentley, Stormé DeLarverie, Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich...etc, how horribly offensive they have been for dressing up in tuxedos and top hats.

by Anonymousreply 8609/24/2019

^ Greta and Marlene only did it for half an hour.

by Anonymousreply 8709/24/2019

R85 That already happened. In the late sixties, a homophobic radical feminist group called Red Stockings emerged and declared gay men were misogynist for rejecting women in their dating pool.

by Anonymousreply 8809/24/2019

Link please, R88. (Because most radical feminists are not exactly hoping for MORE men-- of any kind-- "in their dating pool.")

by Anonymousreply 8909/24/2019

R84 Drag is a mockery of gender stereotypes, I.e. femininity/masculinity, not womanhood/manhood. Unless you think lipstick and high heels is what makes a woman a woman then you are the misogynist here.

by Anonymousreply 9009/24/2019

R89 Look it up, 'Redstockings of the Women's Liberation'.

by Anonymousreply 9109/24/2019


Here you go. Im not the person who brought up Redstockins. Took seconds to find this.

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by Anonymousreply 9209/24/2019

I see, [r90] so you are okay with blackface because it is mocking black racial stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 9309/24/2019

R93 Blackface was always intended to disparage African Americans. It was not an original performance art rooted in the Black community; it abused them for the amusement of Whites. Drag is an authentic gay entertainment with strongly political overtones and intended for a gay audience.

It's been coopted by straights for their amusement who now demand political correctness from gays of a gay art form.

by Anonymousreply 9409/24/2019

r47: There are plenty of fun costumes to wear that don't involve dressing up as a stereotype of someone else's ethnicity/race. That's just laziness and offensive the farther it's taken (e.g., "sexy squaw", brownface, etc).

r50: There's also yellowface. Same concept but yellow makeup to mimic/mock East Asians.

Girl Not Offended / r60 / r64 - The same argument you made in your "Girl Not Offended" post can be made in the two shit stirring posts at r60 and r64 that you curiously chose not to claim: The Wayans weren't making a blanket statement about white women as a whole but on two specific characters (Brittany & Tiffany) with their own motivations and their own stories to tell (trying to avoid kidnapping).

by Anonymousreply 9509/30/2019

Cancel culture is moving more and more towards right wing ideals morphing more and more into early stage Nazism with each passing day.

by Anonymousreply 9609/30/2019

It's already morphed.

by Anonymousreply 9709/30/2019

Drag...I mostly subscribe to John Mulaney's funny bit on drag, which is if you want to do it why is it always big and brassy women --like out of a Far Side cartoon? And then go around being loud and insulting. Seems their idea of being a woman is a lot like being a could have forgone all the trouble to get dressed up if you were just going to be an asshole about it. It is a very clever bit. I would say it applies to a lot of trannies, too.

I will add I would NEVER date a drag queen, I would rather scratch my own eyes out.

by Anonymousreply 9809/30/2019

This old chestnut? Ugh... here we go again. Old as the wind.

by Anonymousreply 9909/30/2019

R97 One of the many reasons I plan on fleeing America after I finish college.

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by Anonymousreply 10009/30/2019

[quote]Is drag "girlface"?

When females do drag and dress like men is it “boyface”?

by Anonymousreply 10109/30/2019

No R101

Systems of oppression never flow in both directions (especially if you are white). Even if you are toothless and dirt poor.

Punching up is heroic, punching down is evil, and the devil will crap down your throat for all eternity.

by Anonymousreply 10209/30/2019

[quote]r28 It's totally misogynistic. Gay men degrading women by exaggerating their most vulnerable characteristics.

Their eyelashes?

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by Anonymousreply 10309/30/2019

[quote]r37 Drag is usually political. Drag is dangerous.

Though it's also been said, [italic]"We're born naked. Everything else is drag."

by Anonymousreply 10409/30/2019

What an absurd notion, OP. It is THEATER.

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by Anonymousreply 10510/04/2019

I'm trying ignore out and finding there are recent anti-trans posters who were posting anti-drag stuff on this thread from two years ago...

by Anonymousreply 10601/24/2021

Hilarious, R106, I started scrolling and I've got a bunch of people on ignore too, and their posts are from October 2019 apparently. They've been here forever.

by Anonymousreply 10701/24/2021

I think it depends on the performer. Some of it is no different than blackface and really insulting bullshit. The older really camp stuff came more from admiration.

by Anonymousreply 10801/24/2021

I think drag is probably at the bottom of the list of things women have to worry about right not

by Anonymousreply 10901/24/2021

R16 are you a lesbian? Because if you’re not why are you here?

by Anonymousreply 11001/24/2021

R94 in fairness, blackface was intended only for a white audience.

by Anonymousreply 11101/24/2021

They are clowns, pure and simple. Like all other clowns they appropriate a look and exaggerate it for comic effect. A talented drag queen can be inspiring and entertaining. They emulate the best in women. The others....

by Anonymousreply 11201/25/2021
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