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Magdalen Berns Died

Link to the Twitter post from her account.

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by Anonymousreply 219September 17, 2019 7:38 PM

Who?

by Anonymousreply 1September 13, 2019 12:07 PM

OMG NO!! Oh man, what a day ruiner.

And just when she...wait, WHO?

Who the fuck?

by Anonymousreply 2September 13, 2019 12:08 PM
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by Anonymousreply 3September 13, 2019 12:09 PM

She was smart, wry, just a gem - that is such a shame. Poor poppet.

Loved her insight and delivery. She rocked!

by Anonymousreply 4September 13, 2019 12:17 PM

Our thoughts and prayers.

We did not know her.

by Anonymousreply 5September 13, 2019 12:19 PM

She was a misandrist.

Good riddance.

by Anonymousreply 6September 13, 2019 12:25 PM

Fuck off, R6.

by Anonymousreply 7September 13, 2019 12:27 PM

A great Shero of the feminist movement. Adios, hon.

by Anonymousreply 8September 13, 2019 12:30 PM

Gendercrits think we care a lot more about them than we actually do.

by Anonymousreply 9September 13, 2019 12:32 PM

One of the Go-Go’s?

by Anonymousreply 10September 13, 2019 12:36 PM

Sad for her friends and family and all, but I'm with R1

by Anonymousreply 11September 13, 2019 12:39 PM

I'm saddened by this news. I enjoy her videos and she helped see the trans movement through logic. She was never hateful; only reasonable.

by Anonymousreply 12September 13, 2019 12:40 PM

She Tweeted this in August of last year:

[quote]babe, my cancer is incurable... I'll obvs fight all I can but the truth is I'll probably be dead within the next 5 years. it hurts; it does but that's the reality of this thing. it sucks but that's life, good people suffer and die.

Admittedly not familiar with her, but to me there's nothing sadder than a person (especially a young person) who's aware that they're dying.

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by Anonymousreply 13September 13, 2019 12:45 PM

R10 If so she Went Went!

by Anonymousreply 14September 13, 2019 12:46 PM

For you wise asses asking “Who?”, she was a Scottish lesbian feminist who had a popular YouTube channel. She was very good at skewering trans nonsense.

I probably haven’t done her justice but I haven’t been following her long. I learned about her here, so thanks, DL.

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by Anonymousreply 15September 13, 2019 12:48 PM

Gretchen, stop trying to make Magdalen happen!

by Anonymousreply 16September 13, 2019 12:48 PM

Who is she?!!

But anyway, RIP

by Anonymousreply 17September 13, 2019 12:50 PM

R15, perhaps OP should’ve said something like that, instead of assuming we all knew who the hell she was.

by Anonymousreply 18September 13, 2019 12:53 PM

R14 I once heard a similar joke a while back, but the person said "gone-gone" instead which to me is funnier.

R15 I wasn't being a wise ass when I asked who this person is, I honestly had never heard of her. Dumbass OP should've given a quick rundown instead of just assuming we knew who she was

by Anonymousreply 19September 13, 2019 12:54 PM

Beat me to it, R18.

by Anonymousreply 20September 13, 2019 12:55 PM

R20, that’s because the two best minds on this forum think alike.

by Anonymousreply 21September 13, 2019 12:56 PM

We don’t care, R15.

by Anonymousreply 22September 13, 2019 12:59 PM

She was a dyke who hated trans people.

by Anonymousreply 23September 13, 2019 1:02 PM

Get a room, you two!

by Anonymousreply 24September 13, 2019 1:02 PM

But is she dead to me?

by Anonymousreply 25September 13, 2019 1:03 PM

She was killed with uranium.

by Anonymousreply 26September 13, 2019 1:04 PM

[quote]She was a dyke who hated trans people.

No, she hated bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 27September 13, 2019 1:04 PM

Has Rachel Mckinnon tweeted condolences?

by Anonymousreply 28September 13, 2019 1:04 PM

[quote]Has Rachel Mckinnon tweeted condolences?

I wouldn’t know, he has me blocked.

by Anonymousreply 29September 13, 2019 1:05 PM

Has Catherine McKinnon?

by Anonymousreply 30September 13, 2019 1:07 PM

R19 Fuck off, I got 3 WWs in under 20 minutes in a thread about an obscure lesbian, so Gone Gone yourself!

by Anonymousreply 31September 13, 2019 1:07 PM

That happened because this is one of the threads the anti-trans loons wrote for themselves, R18. They don't give a shit about real Dataloungers or long-time regulars, they just want the free anonymous space.

by Anonymousreply 32September 13, 2019 1:08 PM

[quote]I got 3 WWs in under 20 minutes

Please, just stop with this. It's embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 33September 13, 2019 1:09 PM

Is she the one that the trans professor got in trouble for wishing death on recently?

by Anonymousreply 34September 13, 2019 1:09 PM

Has Kate McKinnon tweeted?

by Anonymousreply 35September 13, 2019 1:09 PM

Is Susan Dey can get out a tweet early enough about this she could turn around her whole persona, go Susan!

by Anonymousreply 36September 13, 2019 1:11 PM

Has Jake McKinnon tweeted?

by Anonymousreply 37September 13, 2019 1:12 PM

She was amazing. I loved her videos. She called out trans "women" for saying lesbians are bigots if they don't like dick. If you have a problem with someone who fought against homophobia, I can't understand what you're doing on a gay website.

by Anonymousreply 38September 13, 2019 1:14 PM

R4 Poppet? Is that a Scottish muppet?

by Anonymousreply 39September 13, 2019 1:16 PM

[quote]A great Shero of the feminist movement

...What's wrong with "heroine"?

by Anonymousreply 40September 13, 2019 1:21 PM

R39, "poppet" is a British term of endearment.

by Anonymousreply 41September 13, 2019 1:25 PM

[quote]If you have a problem with someone who fought against homophobia, I can't understand what you're doing on a gay website.

I don’t think anyone here has that problem. The problem we have is most didn’t know who the fuck she was.

by Anonymousreply 42September 13, 2019 1:25 PM

She helped #StopClymer trend, so she's a hero in my book.

by Anonymousreply 43September 13, 2019 1:27 PM

Not sure she really spoke out about homophobia, so much as she said that any gay or lesbian who didn't hate the trans was homophobic.

After the "she fought homophobia" claim I went to Twitter and saw a lot of stuff like this:

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by Anonymousreply 44September 13, 2019 1:28 PM

In fact, if you type [italic] from:magdalenberns homophobia [/italic] into Twitter, you'll see that everything she said about homophobia was just "trans activism is homophobia against lesbians," i.e. a very narrow view of homophobia that doesn't involve gays, bis, or anyone who isn't a lesbian, really.

by Anonymousreply 45September 13, 2019 1:32 PM

I don't even know who that was.

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by Anonymousreply 46September 13, 2019 1:32 PM

I don’t know who she was, but I’ll take a look at her work. There are interesting things I wouldn’t have known about were it not for DL. You bitches keep me learning new things.

by Anonymousreply 47September 13, 2019 1:35 PM

Very sad to hear. I watched the video she first announced her glioblastoma and she was afraid, but ready to face whatever may come.

by Anonymousreply 48September 13, 2019 1:36 PM

Was she anti-transman or anti-transwoman?

Or both?

by Anonymousreply 49September 13, 2019 1:37 PM

[quote]She helped #StopClymer trend, so she's a hero in my book.

I love her video about “Charlotte.”

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by Anonymousreply 50September 13, 2019 1:38 PM

She actually expressed a lot of concern regarding the amount of money pouring into the GLBT groups from straight sources that were significantly altering the course of these groups. Like how groups that historically supported Lesbian and Gay youth are now actively promoting medical intervention for kids who don't fit stereotypical gender norms.

by Anonymousreply 51September 13, 2019 1:38 PM

[quote]Was she anti-transman or anti-transwoman?

She was pro-lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 52September 13, 2019 1:39 PM

R45 Lesbians don't care about anti-male homophobia (which is most homophobia there is) or any gay male issue. See how spitefully they've treated the first gay candidate for the US presidency.

Yet they expect us to split hairs about Caitlyn Jenner being in love with a lesbian or whatever because that's what counts as homophobia for these people.

by Anonymousreply 53September 13, 2019 1:39 PM

If you don't know who Magdalen Berns is, then go and watch her video's on YouTube. She was witty, intelligent and fierce. She woke thousands up to the misogyny and homophobia of the trans cult and she's being rightfully mourned across the world. And don't bother with the 'Its raining men. (Not all men)' crap. Her focus was on women and lesbians. In this video, she points out the against all gay people. At the moment, the trans cult are after lesbians, but it won't be long before they'll be after gay man as well. You all need to wake up to it.

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by Anonymousreply 54September 13, 2019 1:43 PM

What is the trans cult?

Seriously, I'm trying to understand here.

by Anonymousreply 55September 13, 2019 1:45 PM

So I was right, she hated men and trans people (but specifically trans men).

by Anonymousreply 56September 13, 2019 1:49 PM

Not even sure where I first heard about Magdalen, but this was the first video of hers I watched - a masterful takedown of that circus clown Alok Vaid.

RIP

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by Anonymousreply 57September 13, 2019 1:51 PM

[quote]If you don't know who Magdalen Berns is, then go and watch her video's on YouTube.

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 58September 13, 2019 1:53 PM

Was she related to George Berns?

by Anonymousreply 59September 13, 2019 1:54 PM

^^I think she was a distant cousin.

by Anonymousreply 60September 13, 2019 1:55 PM

R56 That's what you take away from my post? She hated men and especially trans men? She stood up for gay men who were same sex attracted. She stood up for homosexuals. Is that not enough for you? She defended gay men's rights to be attracted to other men. Or do you think that gay men should forget about the dick and focus on the vagina? How many trans men have you dated? R55 The transcult are the extreme trans activists who think that gender identity should be forced on everyone. A man who puts on a dress is a woman. A woman who cuts her hair short is a man. It's total bollocks and they can fuck off with it. We're not talking about transsexuals here. We're talking about narcissistic men who think that being a woman is a feeling in a mans head and nothing more. They think they should have immediate access to all women's spaces whether women want them there or not. They are abusive, narcissistic autogynephilic men and have nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation. They are making life a lot worse for transsexuals. Before you make snide remarks, think about this...do you think homosexuality is ok? Or do you think that homosexuals are genital fetishists? Do you honestly and truthfully believe that men can be lesbians?

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by Anonymousreply 61September 13, 2019 2:02 PM

Very sad. Loved her fierce wit, keen intelligence and genuinely stunning bravery.

by Anonymousreply 62September 13, 2019 2:29 PM

R55 Here's a video by a transsexual woman showing the extremists who are destroying any chance of transsexuals living a normal life.

by Anonymousreply 63September 13, 2019 2:30 PM

Sorry, didn't post the video properly.

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by Anonymousreply 64September 13, 2019 2:32 PM

[quote]She helped #StopClymer trend

And like the rest of the posts about her, this means nothing.

by Anonymousreply 65September 13, 2019 2:35 PM

R65 This means nothing to you. It means a lot to other people. But hey! Tell us what you've achieved for the greater good. I'd love to hear all about it.

by Anonymousreply 66September 13, 2019 2:49 PM

Rest in peace, fellow pale blue Scottish person.

by Anonymousreply 67September 13, 2019 2:52 PM

[quote]she's being rightfully mourned across the world

She's not. Most people have never heard of her.

[quote]Her focus was on women and lesbians. In this video, she points out the against all gay people. At the moment, the trans cult are after lesbians, but it won't be long before they'll be after gay man as well. You all need to wake up to it.

The only time she mentioned gays was when she wanted to say "gays are being exterminated by the trans so they'd better start denying them their civil rights" kinds of things.

That's why it's so ridiculous that you people are on a gay website. You don't care about gays. You actively dislike gays. (I don't agree that all lesbians are like this as someone claimed earlier in the thread, but also, I don't think most of you are lesbians at all.) But you want a gay website to bow down to you so you can have a safe space where you lecture us all on how to behave.

by Anonymousreply 68September 13, 2019 2:54 PM

Poor Magdalen. What a terrible way to go. We knew it was coming but still very sad.

by Anonymousreply 69September 13, 2019 2:54 PM

r68, gay men are waking up to the homophobic trans ideology.

by Anonymousreply 70September 13, 2019 2:58 PM

I'm glad to hear she was surrounded by her loved ones. Rip Magdalen.

by Anonymousreply 71September 13, 2019 2:59 PM

Who the fuck was she? She doesn't even have a wikipedia page and even the biggest nobodies have one of those.

by Anonymousreply 72September 13, 2019 3:02 PM

R53 Because all those lesbian's who stuck their necks out for gay men during the AID's crisis were just pretending to care, right? You're an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 73September 13, 2019 3:05 PM

R68 '...you people'??? Seriously? Who says that? And what people do you mean? I was marching for gay rights back in the '70's which is why I'm totally fucked off that I have to fight for them again. I believe in gay rights for both men and women. I remember what it was like when there weren't rights for gay people. So fuck off you wanker. You can take your post and shove it up your arse.

by Anonymousreply 74September 13, 2019 3:09 PM

What r74 said.

by Anonymousreply 75September 13, 2019 4:54 PM

I agree with R75; which is to say what R74 said.

by Anonymousreply 76September 13, 2019 5:02 PM

Magdalen Berns was shouting out for gay rights right until her dying breath. The problem was that she didn't agree with trans politics which is a completely different thing to gay rights. She'll go down as a hero who refused to bow to the trans rhetoric. I'll miss her.

by Anonymousreply 77September 13, 2019 5:09 PM

I live in Edinburgh, which is where Magdalen lived. Walking down the street today, I saw a trans "woman" in a mobility scooter. He was at least fifty years old, had long hair, and was wearing a short skirt and a red plastic hairband - the sort a child would wear. He was talking to someone and using exaggeratedly feminine gestures (lots of hair flicking). Anyone with eyesight could see that he was male.

Later on, he passed me on his scooter. I noticed that on the back of the scooter was the transgender flag and the name "Traci" in a pink, Barbie-style font.

THIS is the kind of person that the world now associates with the LGBT community. This man is clearly either mentally unstable, a hardcore autogynephile, or both. He needs help, not reassurance that he really is female. It's enabling. Gay men didn't fight for all those years so that people would associate them with fifty-something men who believe they're little girls.

by Anonymousreply 78September 13, 2019 5:27 PM

R78 YEP. THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TO PUT THESE FREAKS DOWN!

by Anonymousreply 79September 13, 2019 5:30 PM

Martina's a fan and retweeted this

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by Anonymousreply 80September 13, 2019 5:34 PM

[quote]Tell us what you've achieved for the greater good. I'd love to hear all about it.

She was a YouTuber FFS. Let’s not make out like the bitch cured the disease that killed her.

by Anonymousreply 81September 13, 2019 5:34 PM

[quote]Because all those lesbian's who stuck their necks out for gay men during the AID's crisis were just pretending to care, right? [bold]You're an idiot.[/bold]

I’ll bet you don’t even see the irony in your post.

by Anonymousreply 82September 13, 2019 5:36 PM

From Magdelen's YouTube account:

I am... A lesbian (not the political kind); a physics graduate (University of Edinburgh); a FLOSS accessibility hacker (the legal kind); an XX feminist (not the fun, kind); ex-amateur boxer (the competitive kind); a blogger; an activist; a cultural libertarian; a Londoner; a critic of religion, capitalism, identity politics, conservatism, neoliberalism and socially imposed gender norms.

by Anonymousreply 83September 13, 2019 5:39 PM

^^What she was was exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 84September 13, 2019 5:42 PM

R10 Marry me.

by Anonymousreply 85September 13, 2019 5:45 PM

R84 no, we know who the exhausting ones are in this “community”, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 86September 13, 2019 6:00 PM

JK Rowling followed Magdalen on Twitter. I would really appreciate it if she made some kind of public statement, but I doubt she will.

by Anonymousreply 87September 13, 2019 6:25 PM

R81 She was much more than a YouTuber. She recognised the threat to gay rights and woke thousands of other people up to it as well. What have you done that's so great?

by Anonymousreply 88September 13, 2019 6:26 PM

So sad

by Anonymousreply 89September 13, 2019 6:29 PM

[quote] She was a YouTuber FFS. Let’s not make out like the bitch cured the disease that killed her.

^^^THIS.

by Anonymousreply 90September 13, 2019 6:32 PM

So much SJW gnashing of teeth and rending of garments for this nothing of a person.

by Anonymousreply 91September 13, 2019 6:34 PM

Do learn a thing or too, r91.

SJWs everywhere labeled her a "TERF" and hated her.

by Anonymousreply 92September 13, 2019 6:36 PM

*two ^

by Anonymousreply 93September 13, 2019 6:36 PM

R91, Magdalen was the opposite of an SJW.

by Anonymousreply 94September 13, 2019 6:37 PM

I don’t care. All I see here are SJW tears for a NOBODY.

by Anonymousreply 95September 13, 2019 6:47 PM

This is really sad. I found out about her via a random recommendation on Youtube and followed her as she documented being diagnosed with and treated for brain cancer. She went through surgeries (2 I think) and had seizures and motor and cognitive deficits as the cancer kept recurring.

by Anonymousreply 96September 13, 2019 6:50 PM

R95 That's because you're thick. I'm sure it's been mentioned to you before but perhaps you're too much of a narcissist to listen. What you should be seeing is the attack on homosexuality that's ongoing at the moment. Or are you fine with being told that you're a transphobe if you don't like vagina? Is protesting against that a bit too social justice -y for you? Heaven forbid you care about gay rights. Someone might think you're queer, right? Still, you probably can't help being stupid.

by Anonymousreply 97September 13, 2019 6:53 PM

How nice that you view the world in black or white, R97. It makes it quite easy for you to judge so quickly. Cry, cry, CRY your SJW attention whore tears for this nobody while those of us with lives continue to live them.

by Anonymousreply 98September 13, 2019 7:09 PM

sorrey for yuo lost

by Anonymousreply 99September 13, 2019 7:13 PM

Did Melania find the DL at r99?

by Anonymousreply 100September 13, 2019 7:17 PM

[quote]JK Rowling followed Magdalen on Twitter. I would really appreciate it if she made some kind of public statement, but I doubt she will.

Yes, I doubt it too. TRAs and handmaidens lost their minds when Rowling merely followed her.

by Anonymousreply 101September 13, 2019 7:28 PM

Even for McKinnon, this is a new low.

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by Anonymousreply 102September 13, 2019 7:55 PM

You can’t tell McKinnon meant to refer to MB, of course. Just like you can’t tell McKinnon is a man.

by Anonymousreply 103September 13, 2019 7:59 PM

McKinnon is far too aware of himself for any twitter posting to be accidental. His latest one is horrible.

But he doesn't realise that were he to meet an untimely end there are many people who'd celebrate the way is.

by Anonymousreply 104September 13, 2019 8:06 PM

Stop trying to make Poppet happen.

by Anonymousreply 105September 13, 2019 8:11 PM

I don't hate the trans, at all. But some of the attention-getting hissy fits are really insufferable, and no one took them down quite like Magdalen did. And she did it without the across the board transphobia that's often on display on DL.

by Anonymousreply 106September 13, 2019 8:19 PM

I actually think I may hate McKinnon more than I hate any other high-profile TRA. Even more than "Julia" Serrano.

by Anonymousreply 107September 13, 2019 8:38 PM

McKinnon is an odious human being. Trans or not, woman or not, I don’t really care to be honest; this particular person is despicable.

To see McKinnon lauded as a “brave” warrior fighting the good fight against the terrible injustice of... er, female class-protected sport (which women fought to establish and which many women around the world still do not get to enjoy) and to do so all the time whilst smugly beating natal females and delighting in the death of a TERF (note: I’ve never, ever, seen a “TERF” celebrate a trans person’s death) says it all about the brain-dead level of debate in modern discourse. McKinnon is brave, stunning, etc and women can go fuck themselves if they’ve accommodated enough ladysticks, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 108September 13, 2019 8:50 PM

So dlers are pretending to care about someone 99.9% of people haven't heard of just because she attacked trans people?

by Anonymousreply 109September 13, 2019 8:54 PM

I see the Russian trans trolls are posting non-stop again, trying to divide the LGBTQ community. Blocked.

by Anonymousreply 110September 13, 2019 8:54 PM

[quote] note: I’ve never, ever, seen a “TERF” celebrate a trans person’s death

Neither have I. All the threats of violence seems to come from the other side. Funny, that...

by Anonymousreply 111September 13, 2019 8:55 PM

Oh, dear. I didn't know she was sick.

by Anonymousreply 112September 13, 2019 8:55 PM

When I knew her, she was just Mary Magdalene.

by Anonymousreply 113September 13, 2019 9:07 PM

R111, plenty of Republicans have spewed hate at gay AND trans people

People on this board celebrate the death of trans people all the time

by Anonymousreply 114September 13, 2019 9:17 PM

Rachel Mckinnon is disgusting: a troll, a bully, narcissistic, and a bit sociopathic.

It's not a good look to have her at the front of trans advocacy.

by Anonymousreply 115September 13, 2019 9:25 PM

R114, saying that prostitution and drug dealing are not the safest professions to be in, and might just get you killed, is not "celebrating the deaths of trans people." These people need education, training, help getting decent housing. But keep chanting your "trans women are women" mantra that gets you all the woke points on Twitter but does precisely nothing for them.

by Anonymousreply 116September 13, 2019 9:25 PM

R116, keep reciting your Republican talking points if it makes you feel better.

Using woke as a slur just proves you're a Trump fan. It's the less educated people who support him, so maybe you shouldn't have dropped out of school in tenth grade.

by Anonymousreply 117September 13, 2019 9:30 PM

[quote]People on this board celebrate the death of trans people all the time

Links, please. If what you say is true, it shouldn’t be hard to find.

by Anonymousreply 118September 13, 2019 9:32 PM

There are people that knew and cared for Magdalen; and simply came here to share their thoughts. It's not mandatory reading. If it bothers you please scroll on by.

by Anonymousreply 119September 13, 2019 9:40 PM

R118, do a search here for threads about trans people being murdered. You'll find them there

by Anonymousreply 120September 13, 2019 9:40 PM

R118, do a search here for threads about trans people being murdered. You'll find them there

by Anonymousreply 121September 13, 2019 9:40 PM

I don't care what anyone says: nothing is ever going to convince me that it's bigoted and hateful to believe that women don't have penises and men can't get pregnant.

by Anonymousreply 122September 13, 2019 9:40 PM

Why does everything here have to end up with fighting? Some poor Youtuber dies of brain cancer and you bitches turn it into a big old TERF vs Tranny fight.

by Anonymousreply 123September 13, 2019 9:46 PM

R120, you made the assertion and are being asked to back it up with evidence that should, if your claim is accurate, be easy to find.

Now you’re saying WE should do YOUR research to bolster your claim? FOH.

by Anonymousreply 124September 13, 2019 9:52 PM

It's too much emotional labor.

by Anonymousreply 125September 13, 2019 9:53 PM

R124, while you're at it, look for all the posts calling trans women potential rapists, this despite the fact that they represent "gay erasure"

You won't look for those posts because you know you're wrong

by Anonymousreply 126September 13, 2019 10:08 PM

[quote]trans women potential rapists,

Aren't all people with a functioning penis "potential rapists" though?

by Anonymousreply 127September 13, 2019 11:21 PM

[quote]Aren't all people with a functioning penis "potential rapists" though?

I'm not the person you're responding to, but you're playing dumb. In addition, why should this be limited to people with "functional penises"?

by Anonymousreply 128September 14, 2019 12:22 AM

R78 It seems like the UK has a higher rate of mobility scooter usage then anywhere else in the world.

by Anonymousreply 129September 14, 2019 5:13 AM

Aren't trans murders more to do with the line of work of the victims, rather then them being trans?

by Anonymousreply 130September 14, 2019 5:14 AM

Mags was great, so fucking funny and on point. I mean it isn't hard to point out the endless stupid shit the trannys spout, but she did it with wit and razor sharp ferocity, of course men like McKenna feared her, they have no come back expect, 'Don't', why they love censorship

Anyway, very sad news, a strong cool woman

by Anonymousreply 131September 14, 2019 6:39 AM

Yes, R130. Or else, a trans woman is murdered by a romantic or sexual partner because depressingly, men kill women they’re involved with sometimes. When the story comes out, it doesn’t even tend to be that the man was “tricked” by a “trap” or whatever, just that it’s another sad case of someone killing their partner, who in this case happens to be trans. Not BECAUSE they’re trans.

There are very few cases in which a trans person is the victim of a hate crime, and most cases presented that way in the early stages turn out to be something else. Hate crime murders of anyone at all are pretty rare in the West anyway.

Pro-trans troll: this is not a post “celebrating” trans people being murdered, for the avoidance of doubt, not that those posts exist on this board anyway.

by Anonymousreply 132September 14, 2019 6:43 AM

Magdalen never opposed the right for people to go through hormones and plastic surgeries to look like the other sex or simply crossdress. She oppesed the discourse that being a woman (man too) is determined by a feeling instead of being determined by biology. A man cannot be a woman; a man cannot be a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 133September 14, 2019 6:55 AM

I love you snarky bitches but Berns was a special breed. She did so much for the right of being a homosexual female or male that some desperate people here want to smear as transphobia. If you think transwomen have the right to express the gender in their soul but lesbians can't express the attraction in their nature towards female nature you are a h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.

by Anonymousreply 134September 14, 2019 7:53 AM

Just checking in, is she still dead?

by Anonymousreply 135September 14, 2019 11:33 AM

And she was wrong on that point, R133.

by Anonymousreply 136September 14, 2019 12:00 PM

She is, and we STILL don't care, R135.

by Anonymousreply 137September 14, 2019 12:10 PM

Rachel Mckinnon is a truly entitled male.

I'm still a little shocked that s/he posted the dancing skeleton gif.

This is a *tenured* academic at a public American university.

Let that sink in.

by Anonymousreply 138September 14, 2019 12:48 PM

So sad to see someone so young dying of cancer. My beloved sister died at 29 from lymphoma.

As someone who donated to Magdalen via Patreon, I will miss her insightful and intelligent commentary.

by Anonymousreply 139September 14, 2019 12:51 PM

She was wrong on the point that a man cannot be a woman or a lesbian, R136? Seriously?

by Anonymousreply 140September 14, 2019 1:04 PM

^^I was about to comment on that myself. What in hell could it mean?

by Anonymousreply 141September 14, 2019 1:07 PM

R140 I have that troll blocked, you should do the same.

by Anonymousreply 142September 14, 2019 1:15 PM

[quote]So much SJW gnashing of teeth and rending of garments for this nothing of a person.

The amount of stupid, mundane bullshit we have to hear when a less-than-nothing of a person like a porn actor who just got of jail for assault dies or when some lying hooker dies completely overshadows anything in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 143September 14, 2019 1:19 PM

I will worship Martina forever for standing strong during this sad time. Now THAT is "brave and stunning"!

by Anonymousreply 144September 14, 2019 1:46 PM

[quote] I was marching for gay rights back in the '70's which is why I'm totally fucked off that I have to fight for them again. I believe in gay rights for both men and women. I remember what it was like when there weren't rights for gay people.

Doubtful. I bring up actual, documented LGBT history on these threads all the time and can rarely get anyone to engage. You remind me a lot of the person who claimed to have been involved in LGBT rights in the 1970s in California, while also using a lot of pretend British slang...

[quote]So fuck off you wanker. You can take your post and shove it up your arse.

...like that, which sounds like it comes from a bad US sitcom. Whoever it was, they didn't even know what the GLF was. That was the last time I ever got a chance to try to engage any of you on facts and history, which I suspect isn't a coincidence.

For someone who supposedly has been involved in gay rights for 50 years, you strangely never, ever bring it up unless you think you've been threatened by someone who has pointed out your lack of logic. I never see you in threads about Harvey Milk or the history of HIV or anything like that; you're only in these threads, and you never actually talk about the history beyond listing some false facts and then going off like a car alarm if someone points out that you're lying.

But hey, more power to anyone here who truly believes you're a 70-something British lesbian activist who has been involved in the movement for 50 years.

by Anonymousreply 145September 14, 2019 2:10 PM

Was she an XX woman or an XY woman. I honestly can't tell.

by Anonymousreply 146September 14, 2019 2:16 PM

[quote]>People on this board celebrate the death of trans people all the time

[quote]Links, please. If what you say is true, it shouldn’t be hard to find.

Not the person you were asking, but here are the subject lines of some threads which have not yet been deleted.

1. "Dallas trans woman choked to death"

2. "Pioneering trans author Leslie Feinberg has died"

3. "Which one of you anti-trans trolls did this?"

4. "Transgender woman seen in videotaped attack found dead in Texas."

5. "Pastor charged with murder of black trans woman near notorious Detroit park"

6. "Trans "Woman" Commits Suicide in Typical Man Dominated Way"

7. "Pregnant Man's Dead Baby Tests Gender Notions"

8. "Transgender teenager Leelah Alcorn took her life because 'parents would not allow her to transition'" both Parts I and II, though I think Part I may have gotten deleted

by Anonymousreply 147September 14, 2019 2:21 PM

You have a strange definition of "celebrate," R147. Here, perhaps this will help:

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by Anonymousreply 148September 14, 2019 2:25 PM

I'm upset that she was a boxer. Why is that even legal - two people hitting themselves in the head until one of them collapses or gives up (or 10 rounds have passed - whatever)

A brutal, stupid sport - and how can it be good for your brain ??

by Anonymousreply 149September 14, 2019 2:42 PM

R145 I was born in the early 60's by the time I was 14, I was marching for gay rights. In Britain. In the '70's I've never been to California, I've never been to the US.

Perhaps you can't get anyone to engage with your LGBT history threads because you bore people to death? Not saying you do, but I haven't particularly noticed any of these threads, but I'm not here that often. It's a bit creepy that you're stalking my posts on Datalounge in this way. You come across as a sad mediocre man with too much time on your hands. And creepy, very creepy.

'Fuck off you wanker' is a direct quote of Magdalen Berns. 'Shove it up your arse' is something we say in Britain to show our contempt.

Oh, and who said I was a lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 150September 14, 2019 3:18 PM

[quote]The amount of stupid, mundane bullshit we have to hear when a less-than-nothing of a person like a porn actor who just got of jail for assault dies or when some lying hooker dies completely overshadows anything in this thread.

R143 your bullshit, man-hating SJW strawman argument sucks donkey dick.

Go back to the U-Haul chat rooms where you belong.

by Anonymousreply 151September 14, 2019 4:24 PM

r147, Russian trolls have transphobia on their lists of divisive topics. Muriel does absolutely nothing about the trans hating threads here. She's quite the enabler of hate.

by Anonymousreply 152September 14, 2019 5:38 PM

With that ogre of a male posting the dancing skeleton on his twitter, I bet the folks heading the University of Charleston are now meeting with lawyers to find a way to rid themselves of this sociopath from their faculty ranks.

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by Anonymousreply 153September 14, 2019 5:58 PM

RM retweeted this gem

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by Anonymousreply 154September 14, 2019 9:32 PM

Because OF COURSE

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by Anonymousreply 155September 14, 2019 9:36 PM

R154, the whole thing is ridiculous, but above all it annoys me that they're still pushing this narrative that trans "women" started the Stonewall riot.

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by Anonymousreply 156September 14, 2019 9:43 PM

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by Anonymousreply 157September 14, 2019 9:53 PM

[quote]Muriel does absolutely nothing about the trans hating threads here. She's quite the enabler of hate.

You have to be kidding - trans threads where there is any rational discussion are deleted almost immediately here. We are usually not even allowed to discuss trans in any kind of non-glorifying way. A trans-themed thread getting to 157 posts is a rarity at DL.

by Anonymousreply 158September 15, 2019 2:23 AM

[quote] With that ogre of a male posting the dancing skeleton on his twitter, I bet the folks heading the University of Charleston are now meeting with lawyers to find a way to rid themselves of this sociopath from their faculty ranks.

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 159September 15, 2019 3:00 AM

[quote] [R145] I was born in the early 60's by the time I was 14, I was marching for gay rights.

Your awful punctuation is truly awesome.

by Anonymousreply 160September 15, 2019 3:01 AM

Has Larry King commented on this tragedy?

by Anonymousreply 161September 15, 2019 3:03 AM

One can see why the trannys were obsessed with her, she so simply and witty destroyed all the total fantasy bullshit they spout ENDLESSLY.

She will be very much missed, let us all pick up her sword and stab the trannys in the humorous, as they cannot fight humour, they have none as they are based in shit

by Anonymousreply 162September 15, 2019 3:15 AM

I'm so sorry that I never knew about her before.

Thank you to the people upthread who posted her videos. (I will spend the rest of this evening bingeing.)

We lost a tough, sharp cookie. It's a terrible shame.

by Anonymousreply 163September 15, 2019 4:56 AM

[quote]Muriel does absolutely nothing about the trans hating threads here. She's quite the enabler of hate.

Back in June he very specifically said on an AMA-style thread that the racist Daily Mail types who come here with their transphobia were going to be eliminated (or exterminated, I can't remember which word he used) and he did nothing. No idea what that was even about.

by Anonymousreply 164September 15, 2019 4:59 AM

[quote]So much SJW gnashing of teeth and rending of garments for this nothing of a person.

SJWs aren't fans of transphobes or TERFs like Berns. She was the domain of conservatives and faux radfems who ally themselves with rightwingers. You've gotten the terminology all wrong, which is par for the course on DL, but still irritating.

by Anonymousreply 165September 15, 2019 5:01 AM

Thanks for putting everything in such incredibly polarized terms, r165.

black-and-white thinking = immaturity

by Anonymousreply 166September 15, 2019 5:25 AM

Nothing says conservative like lesbians fighting for the right to be lesbians. Your homophobia is odious.

by Anonymousreply 167September 15, 2019 6:04 AM

R165 You type stupid.

Good for a gay woman supporting other gay women and pushing the truth of this situation. Trans care nothing about women

by Anonymousreply 168September 15, 2019 6:17 AM

Oddly, the guy who keeps screaming about SJWs and thinks everyone in the thread is a radfem lesbian is also the one who started the Mel Brooks "joke" death thread.

by Anonymousreply 169September 15, 2019 11:52 AM

The guy who told lesbians to "Go back to the U-Haul chat rooms where you belong" is the one who started the fakeMel Brooks death thread right? Yeah I don't know why any of that homophobic stuff is allowed on here, but it's kind of curious that the trans haters call everyone homophobic when the only gay haters are them and this weird U-Haul troll.

by Anonymousreply 170September 15, 2019 12:17 PM

[quote]Some poor Youtuber dies of brain cancer and you bitches turn it into a big old TERF vs Tranny fight.

Because the person who died was a TERF who hated trannies. This seems pretty obvious and I don't know why you're confused about it.

by Anonymousreply 171September 15, 2019 12:25 PM

Magdalen didn't hate trans people and never opposed their right to transition, you infantile stubborn. She opposed the idea that feelings define being a woman which lacks any scientific evidence. Magdalen spoke reality and, reality shows that if you are born a man you cannot be a woman. You are what biology made be, a man R171

Transgender is a psychological disorder. Proof of that is that gender dysphoria can go away. As a matter of fact, people detransition.

by Anonymousreply 172September 15, 2019 1:28 PM

It's almost unbelievable that men can claim to be women and demand to be treated as women, but the biological women who protest or find this turn troubling are the REAL problem.

Misogyny dies hard.

by Anonymousreply 173September 15, 2019 1:39 PM

It would be like shaming the African-Americans who objected to Rachel Dolzal, R173. It's ludicrous.

by Anonymousreply 174September 15, 2019 3:11 PM

LOL r50, first you said the person they were referring to wasn't you, then you said they were stalking you. If the fake lesbian they're talking about really wasn't you then why complain about "stalking"? Kinda gave yourself away with that I'm afraid.

by Anonymousreply 175September 15, 2019 3:23 PM

You guys always say trans women are men who want to rape women in prison or who can't get real jobs so they do sex work, or they're mentally ill.

If you were liberals you'd be talking about the serious issue of sexual assault in prisons as a whole. You'd be talking about ways to help the marginalized get decent work or how to help the mentally ill.

Because you're not liberals, none of that occurs to you. That's why it's obvious you're conservatives.

That and all the links to Breitbart and The Blaze and the praise for Trump in these antitrans threads. That's kind of a hint too lol

by Anonymousreply 176September 15, 2019 3:29 PM

"You guys always say trans women are men who want to rape women"

Nope, we say that all heterosexual males (including some who identify as trans) are a potential threat to women. Kinda like this guy.

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by Anonymousreply 177September 15, 2019 3:37 PM

Berns like many other British feminists was on the left of the political spectrum. She wasn't one of the 'fun' libfems who think being a stripper is totes empowering, y'all.

by Anonymousreply 178September 15, 2019 3:38 PM

[quote]There are people that knew and cared for Magdalen; and simply came here to share their thoughts. It's not mandatory reading. If it bothers you please scroll on by.

Datalounge is nobody's safe space. Nobody here owes you anything. You want a private place to grieve over some YouTuber then go create one. I don't get to tell your friends to stop lying, sockpuppeting, trolling and posting hateful shit while pretending to be gay men, you don't get to tell me what threads to ignore because I might hurt someone's feewings.

You're not a moderator, the rest of us are as much members as you are. We have every right to participate in a thread on our board whether you like it or not

I'm really disappointed in you. I've seen you around and didn't know you were some bossy control freak hall monitor type.

by Anonymousreply 179September 15, 2019 3:40 PM

[quote]I'm really disappointed in you.

WTF? How can anyone [italic]be disappointed[/italic] in an anonymous person on an online discussion forum?

by Anonymousreply 180September 15, 2019 3:43 PM

Magdalen Berns was livid over Azealia Banks getting suspended from Twitter for being a homophobe.

Berns said that trans was just like blackface -- the blackface tweet was deleted but her Rachel Dolzeal tweet is still up, with the same sentiment.

She RTed a lot of articles from right-wing tabloids lying and exaggerating about all sorts of LGBT issues.

That's what I saw after just a couple minutes of looking. Guess your definition of liberal isn't the usual definition of liberal.

by Anonymousreply 181September 15, 2019 3:50 PM

She wasn't "liberal," R181. She was a leftist socialist. Which to you, somehow, translates to "right wing" and "conservative."

by Anonymousreply 182September 15, 2019 4:15 PM

Gender identity has become a doctrine.

Even more annoying is when trans activists tell us we all have a gender identity and set gender identity as an inherent experience for all human beings. Most non-dysphoric people experience no feelings of gender. There is no spiritual-like conviction of gender in our minds. We simply understand and acknowledge what nature made us to be. Outside our biology there is no shared experience that define us as men or women.

by Anonymousreply 183September 15, 2019 6:28 PM

McKinnon also tweeted a GIF of a Real Housewife (Ramona?) saying “Goodbye, good riddance) yesterday. Lovely.

by Anonymousreply 184September 16, 2019 3:32 AM

R184 He was lucky his tour of England was cancelled, he would have had protesters out the wazoo

by Anonymousreply 185September 16, 2019 3:38 AM

Just discovered that woman - through her death - and I love her! Gonna catch up on her videos. It'll be hard to ever find a better advocate for common sense. What I hate most is our important issues, like healthcare and food stamps, may well go up in smoke because of these spoiled narcissistic men - but since when was that not true anyway...

by Anonymousreply 186September 16, 2019 8:50 AM

I don't have an opinion one way or another regarding the Trans movement but, isn't the fact that she die this young and of brain cancer kinda "getting smitten" by karma?

by Anonymousreply 187September 16, 2019 9:00 AM

If you believed in "karma" then sure. What other stupid superstitions do you believe in? Yahweh? Crystals? Voodoo dolls?

by Anonymousreply 188September 16, 2019 9:16 AM

Oh and what's the "karma" that puts all the children into children's cancer hospitals? Something they did in their past lives?

by Anonymousreply 189September 16, 2019 9:17 AM

It should at least make you wonder how mentally "there" she was, r187, and whether she was being used by people who took advantage of her condition.

by Anonymousreply 190September 16, 2019 9:20 AM

[quote]With that ogre of a male posting the dancing skeleton on his twitterI bet the folks heading the University of Charleston are now meeting with lawyers to find a way to rid themselves of this sociopath from their faculty ranks.

You guys sure get your feelings hurt easily. Someone posts a "mean" gif on Twitter and you want them fired, but then you go around screaming all over the board, even on threads that have nothing to do with trans, that "trans think feelings trump biology."

You are all a damn mess.

by Anonymousreply 191September 16, 2019 9:36 AM

Yawn at the pro-trans troll. Who I’m pretty sure is either actually trans themselves, or posting from Russia. “Smitten” by karma indeed.

Magdalen was perfectly able to speak for herself and represent her own thoughts until she got very ill, R190.

by Anonymousreply 192September 16, 2019 12:24 PM

Amen R192 - anybody who couldn't tell she was smart as fuck, whether they agreed with her or not, is a moron.

by Anonymousreply 193September 16, 2019 12:42 PM

So hilarious that anyone thinks (or SUPPOSEDLY thinks) that Magdalen, of all people, was being "used" or "taken advantage of" by anyone. We're not talking about Dorothy Stratten here, R190. This was one tough dame.

by Anonymousreply 194September 16, 2019 12:47 PM

I heard Tim Rice and Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber have set aside their difference to begin writing the musical of her life. They are reworking bits of Evita -

But who is this Santa Magdalen? Why all this howling, hysterical sorrow? What kind of goddess has lived among us? How will we ever get by with out her?

by Anonymousreply 195September 16, 2019 1:07 PM

She was a smart lady. RIP.

by Anonymousreply 196September 16, 2019 1:20 PM

Brilliant takedown of that wolf in grandma's drag Clymer.

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by Anonymousreply 197September 16, 2019 2:06 PM

The world has become such a weird place in the digital age, with all sorts of strange bedfellows. You often can't tell whether you're debating with someone on the far left of the far right.

This issue is a perfect example. Who would ever have thought that radical feminists would have a point of total agreement with Ultra Rightist fascists?

by Anonymousreply 198September 16, 2019 2:44 PM

^^^ "OR the far right"

by Anonymousreply 199September 16, 2019 2:44 PM

Agreed, r198. We are in an era in which traditional concepts of what's left and what's right are being completely upended. We are in a pivotal period in political history in which everything is being rewritten.

by Anonymousreply 200September 16, 2019 2:56 PM

On which point do feminists and far-rightists agree?

by Anonymousreply 201September 16, 2019 4:18 PM

RIP but I hate that emo haircut.

by Anonymousreply 202September 16, 2019 4:57 PM

[quote]Let that sink in.

Fucking BARF!!

by Anonymousreply 203September 16, 2019 5:31 PM

R201 Men are not women

by Anonymousreply 204September 16, 2019 8:38 PM

Is she still dead? Will she rise on the third day?

by Anonymousreply 205September 17, 2019 12:01 AM

A fierce,intelligent and wickedly on point lady. I am saddened to hear this.Her youtube videos are always thought provoking.

by Anonymousreply 206September 17, 2019 12:09 AM

ah r204, so that's feminists, far right, Chinese communists, gynaecologists, salon beauticians, women athletes and prisoners, along with 99 percent of humanity agreeing men are not women. You get nervous when the convicted violent male using the women's shelter you're in shares ricin recipes over facebook? TERF NAZI!!!

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by Anonymousreply 207September 17, 2019 8:47 AM

”wolf in grandma's drag"

😂😂😂 Fuck, that's funny. And accurate.

by Anonymousreply 208September 17, 2019 8:50 AM

"Tiddies" makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

by Anonymousreply 209September 17, 2019 12:46 PM

It's sad that she died so young! Berns saw through the trans bullshit pretty early on and helped a lot of people (including me, a gay man) to get a clearer perspective on the issue.

Unfortunately, I felt that she tended too make herself too easily attacked/dismissed by "misgendering" trans people. Even if you use trans people's desired pronouns only for politeness' sake, it makes it harder for interested bystanders to outright dismiss you as a "transphobe". Kathleen Stock, another tough lesbo crusader against the trans madness, is much better at dancing this dance.

by Anonymousreply 210September 17, 2019 1:00 PM

"So is that woman attracted to some AFAB non-binary trans people and trans men, then? If that’s her definition? That’s so invalidating. It doesn’t make any sense to base attraction on genitals. And sadly, many gay cis men DO have a lot to work through, with anti-vagina stuff. It hurts, as a queer trans masc person"

Conversion therapy.

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by Anonymousreply 211September 17, 2019 2:10 PM

[quote] "So is that woman attracted to some AFAB non-binary trans people and trans men, then? If that’s her definition? That’s so invalidating. It doesn’t make any sense to base attraction on genitals. And sadly, many gay cis men DO have a lot to work through, with anti-vagina stuff. It hurts, as a queer trans masc person"

Just... what the fuck?

by Anonymousreply 212September 17, 2019 2:35 PM

[quote] Unfortunately, I felt that she tended too make herself too easily attacked/dismissed by "misgendering" trans people. Even if you use trans people's desired pronouns only for politeness' sake, it makes it harder for interested bystanders to outright dismiss you as a "transphobe". Kathleen Stock, another tough lesbo crusader against the trans madness, is much better at dancing this dance.

But Berns' whole argument was a man cannot be a woman. So why would she call a man "she" or "her" when it erodes her point?

by Anonymousreply 213September 17, 2019 6:30 PM

For god’s sake, you (singular and plural second person pronoun in modern usage, though you may prefer “thou”) cannot control how people refer to you in the third person.

We are all programmed to recognize sex characteristics from all early age and we just go on and do so. Afua Hirsch, a woke liberal British commentator today seemingly inadvertently called the obviously male Sam Smith “he” — because, guess what, despite his latest tweet vomit, he is indeed a he —today during a debate with a right-winger who was honest enough to say that like the vast majority of the population when they are honest and not pointlessly polite to the point of ignoring material reality, that he didn’t believe in non-binary.

We all know what sex is and we all know sex matters.

by Anonymousreply 214September 17, 2019 6:38 PM

We've long passed the point of respecting people's preferred pronouns out of politeness (wow, look at that unintentional alliteration!). We're already at the stage where men are winning women's sports, FFS, and people are just going along with it. If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

by Anonymousreply 215September 17, 2019 7:00 PM

I'm really pissed about the sports. How can it be that taking testosterone is STILL not allowed for women born with XX chromosomes - but men, or even former men, either benefit now or have benefited greatly since birth from testosterone and yet it's fine that they compete in the sports in which women are disallowed from using the supplement testosterone.

It's like a human rights issue imo. And no, I don't want women to be allowed T - that would still give the advantage to men who've had it all their lives. I want "XX" chromosomes to be the way you qualify for women's sports.

If you're some other kind of "woman" - start your own leagues etc.

by Anonymousreply 216September 17, 2019 7:03 PM

Transwomen should not be competing in sports events. Without any exception I can now identify.

by Anonymousreply 217September 17, 2019 7:13 PM

They just wanna pee!! And win female-segregated sports events that were originally created because the typical female physique, outside exceptional outliers, can never even begin to compete with average men or even teenage boys, even while girls and women in some countries don’t have adequate sanitary facilities for their periods, let alone being able to participate in competitive sports.

You bigots.

by Anonymousreply 218September 17, 2019 7:16 PM

Saddened to hear she passed away. I hope some brave lesbians take up her mantle.

by Anonymousreply 219September 17, 2019 7:38 PM
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