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Boy Band Member Ricky Garcia Sues Manager, APA Over Alleged Sexual Abuse

Garcia says his ex-manager Joby Harte raped and sexually assaulted him "dozens of times" during his teenage years.

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by Anonymousreply 268Last Thursday at 5:20 PM

In related news, people named Ricky Garcia and Joby Harte exist.

by Anonymousreply 109/11/2019

Are boyband managers the new priests?

by Anonymousreply 209/11/2019

so this is a British pedo linked to Simon Cowell

ugh hate this story as it perpetuates the narrative of the predatory homosexuals preying on children

I hope this guy goes to jail

hopefully Garcia can find some peace

by Anonymousreply 309/11/2019

Actor Cameron Boyce fired Grasham as his agent when news of the allegations first broke, and Stranger Things actor Finn Wolfhard quit the agency the next day because of the allegations.

Larsen is known for discovering and developing young, up-and-coming talent, working not only with Woodley, but with Nick Robinson, the Jurassic World actor who will be toppling Fox 2000’s Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda; Mad Max: Fury Road actress Courtney Eaton; Ross Lynch, of Austin & Ally fame; and Jessica Rothe, who just booked the lead in MGM’s Valley Girl remake. Larsen also reps Storm Reid, the young actress who will be at the center of Disney's A Wrinkle in Time. All are expected to join him at Management 360.

Joby Harte photo here.

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by Anonymousreply 409/11/2019

Joby is a top?

by Anonymousreply 509/11/2019

Ricky and Asher Angel. Uh-oh. Hope he wasn't passed around.

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by Anonymousreply 609/11/2019

R6, maybe they just fucked each other.

by Anonymousreply 709/11/2019

These old hollywood perverts, there's always something with them.

by Anonymousreply 809/11/2019

Yuck, Lou Perlman would be proud

by Anonymousreply 909/11/2019

More of the allegations.

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by Anonymousreply 1009/11/2019

Some fool started another thread on the very same topic.

by Anonymousreply 1109/11/2019

I wonder if this type of thing was what Joshua Rush was referring to when he said that Cameron Boyce gave him advice on how to maneuver through the Hollywood scene?

by Anonymousreply 1209/11/2019

Sucks he got raped and got no career out of it. 2,000 Instagram followers?

by Anonymousreply 1309/11/2019

Of course if Ricky became famous, he wouldn't be suing. His real issue is the lack of money, not the molestation.

by Anonymousreply 1409/11/2019

r6

Ew, the blonde one has some weird nipples.

by Anonymousreply 1509/11/2019

Basically, never trust any man in power around children

by Anonymousreply 1609/12/2019

[quote]Sucks he got raped and got no career out of it. 2,000 Instagram followers?

That makes it even more of a raw deal.

by Anonymousreply 1709/12/2019

R14, that's incredibly shitty of you to say. Are you just being cynical or do you really think pedophilia rape is just business?

by Anonymousreply 1809/12/2019

Seems a few here condone it.

by Anonymousreply 1909/12/2019

If it was happening "dozens of times" and there were "repeated acts", why didn't this guy tell anyone about it earlier?

by Anonymousreply 2009/12/2019

Really? You have to ask that question?

by Anonymousreply 2109/12/2019

R7, Harte is ( was) also Asher Angel's manager. His career is significantly better than Ricky Garcia's.

by Anonymousreply 2209/12/2019

Disney & Nickelodeon are in the sex slavery of minors market.

by Anonymousreply 2309/12/2019

News of the Grasham accusation makes photos like this very disturbing.

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by Anonymousreply 2409/12/2019

R20, many victims don't come forward because they're ashamed and embarrassed or because they're afraid people like you won't believe them

by Anonymousreply 2509/12/2019

I remember being 15. The truth is most 15 year olds getting into that business very likely know the score, if they don't, they're magical ignoramuses given the existence of the internet the last 25 years. This shit is never going to stop because the Grashams and Hartes have a never ending line of willing boys to choose from. Every now and then something will go wrong in the career of one of those boys and the accusations will come, same thing with Bryan Singer -- we all know he's diddled 9 of 10 young men and boys he's worked with, the only ones who have come forward are the ones with failed careers. Which means that even if they ARE victims, they are willing to be that in exchange for an acting or singing career.

It's all so repulsive but I find it impossible to feel bad for kids like Garcia. If you really believe he didn't know exactly what he was getting into right from the beginning, you're falling for the big scam that is showbusiness now. Always was like that, it's just that back in the day, there were genuinely talented people involved, now it's literally just a bunch of smirking, minimally talented whores.

by Anonymousreply 2609/12/2019

It always amazes me how many abuse enablers and excusers are here. Is it really that much to ask that vulnerable teenager and kids not be molested? And they are vulnerable because they are in the hands of an abuser who can make or break them and has power over them. But sure, lets excuse those guys and blame the victims for knowing what they were in for instead of actually believing there might be decent people around them and not users.

by Anonymousreply 2709/12/2019

r27 you wanna tell me you didn't understand the following equation when you were a teenager: "sex = access" I know I did. Other than fundie kids whose parents don't let them on the internet, every kid since 1999 knows the score with that shit, I mean, they joke about it. It's not some shocking revelation to them when a producer pulls out his dick, it's anticipated.

Never said any of this is OK. I think it's appalling. I already dislike humans, shit like this does *not* help, I think it's hideously ugly and an important sign of a civilization in rapid decline. The point is, bitch about it all you want, it's never going to stop. For every Garcia there are thousands of boys who will gladly keep their mouths shut for less than he accomplished with Harte's help.

by Anonymousreply 2809/12/2019

No one is saying that what they did was right, but the motives for those accusing them are hardly noble either.

You can bet if these guys were rich and famous they would not be accusing them. Well that is just as wrong.

A fifteen year old can walk away from abuse, by simply saying, "He doesn't want to be part of this anymore." It doesn't mean the abuser is not accountable, but it does also mean people have to also have accountability for sticking around.

It's one thing to be, say a dependent mother with five kids to support and no income, it's another to be able to walk away at any time and chose not to.

Again, no one is giving the abuser a free pass, but we can't allow this cult of professional victims to be let off or even profit from it.

by Anonymousreply 2909/12/2019

I love when people are like "OMG Hollywood is EEEEEVIL" when this happens every day with teachers, coaches, scoutmasters, priests, etc etc etc etc.

by Anonymousreply 3009/12/2019

{quote] A fifteen year old can walk away from abuse, by simply saying, "He doesn't want to be part of this anymore."

That is total bullshit. Kids, minors, and adults are usually brainwashed (aka groomed) to believe that they have no other choice but to be part of it. Parents push their kids into these careers and the kids being afraid to disappoint their parents the same way parents pushed their kids into the creepy arms of priests and then priests go "who will people, including your own parents, believe, you little brat or me?".

by Anonymousreply 3109/12/2019

I think the gen z and millennial kids were pre-groomed by the society they grew up in. Look at the shit they watch and listen to. Just look at that gen z question period thread, the topic of attitudes toward sex came up a few times, both the gen z kids in there said kids' attitudes toward sex are beyond casual, it's nothing to them, so it's a very easy next step for some to say, "might as well sell it". They're cynical realists -- "it's just a dick and ten minutes and then I get to be famous." I knew kids pretty much like that in high school 20 years ago, it's only progressed since then. I bet it's way worse with girls trying to get into the industry, though.

by Anonymousreply 3209/12/2019

Where the fuck were this kid's parents?

by Anonymousreply 3309/12/2019

Minors cannot agree to put out for sex in exchange for money or other things like a singing contract, movie or TV roles. It's considered rape. Trying to argue that kids are now ambitious little brats who use sex to get ahead is fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 3409/12/2019

Who? and who ?

by Anonymousreply 3509/12/2019

[quote]The truth is most 15 year olds getting into that business very likely know the score, if they don't, they're magical ignoramuses given the existence of the internet the last 25 years.

So you are saying if a kid wants to get into show biz they should be prepared to be raped and passed around?

by Anonymousreply 3609/12/2019

[quote] So you are saying if a kid wants to get into show biz they should be prepared to be raped and passed around?

I don't think he meant be prepared and rather looking forward to, those little minxes.

by Anonymousreply 3709/12/2019

It's uncomfortable to acknowledge that a lot of these kids really are little more than prostitutes and, further, that by making that choice and keeping their mouths shut, they are complicit, and helping to ensure its continuation. It's disturbing on many levels, maybe especially the fact that the teens are often a perfectly self-aware and active part of the problem. Some of them will even go on to procure for guys like Singer and Harte. Look at the shit that's popular with kids now, is it any wonder they're a generation of prostitutes?

by Anonymousreply 3809/12/2019

[quote] Look at the shit that's popular with kids now, is it any wonder they're a generation of prostitutes?

And I am sure it's all the kids' fault, because they are the ones who created that underage sex positive media culture and not the creepy pedophile predators.

by Anonymousreply 3909/12/2019

r39, see r32.

by Anonymousreply 4009/12/2019

Why then blame the kid being a willing, care free prostitute who is only coming forward now, because his supposed blind ambition didn't pay off?

It's all victim shaming.

by Anonymousreply 4109/12/2019

R41 is a child abuser

by Anonymousreply 4209/12/2019

r42, really? That's your take?

by Anonymousreply 4309/12/2019

R41's take is to call abused kids "prostitutes"

by Anonymousreply 4409/12/2019

[quote] [R41]'s take is to call abused kids "prostitutes"

Oh, that's a good one. *rollingeyes*

[quote] t's uncomfortable to acknowledge that a lot of these kids really are little more than prostitutes and, further, that by making that choice and keeping their mouths shut, they are complicit, and helping to ensure its continuation. It's disturbing on many levels, maybe especially the fact that the teens are often a perfectly self-aware and active part of the problem. Some of them will even go on to procure for guys like Singer and Harte. Look at the shit that's popular with kids now, is it any wonder they're a generation of prostitutes?

[quote] Why then blame the kid being a willing, care free prostitute who is only coming forward now, because his supposed blind ambition didn't pay off?

[quote] It's all victim shaming.

To r44 and r 42

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by Anonymousreply 4509/12/2019

r33, blame the abuser not the parents

by Anonymousreply 4609/12/2019

R46 = Jane Carter

by Anonymousreply 4709/12/2019

You shouldn't have to give up your dream of a life in show business just because you don't want to get fucked r29 If we follow your premise to it's logical conclusion every young male actor or singer in Hollywood is being sexually abused. Is that what you're saying. Or are you saying it's like a reverse negative lottery they have to accept?

"Sorry kid I don't want to fuck Asher or Finn but if you want to make it in this biz you have to give up the booty"

by Anonymousreply 4809/12/2019

At the picture at r24, Tyler Grasham looks like Dr. Zizmor (New Yorkers will know who I'm talking about).

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by Anonymousreply 4909/12/2019

I have a feeling the ones that get abused the most are the ones the abusers decide early on aren't going to have much of a career. They'll target the ones that are almost there but not quite and probably never will be. The Garcia kid sounds like he fits that profile. I bet they don't target kids who are obviously very talented and become popular quickly, they're the money train these companies live off of, so they tend to limit it to the second tier and below ones. However I also think very many of these boys go into it with eyes wide open and a willingness to do the dirty to get places. I imagine they often are the ones to initiate sexual contact, really.

by Anonymousreply 5009/12/2019

Then people should be happy with Ricky Garcia r38 instead of blaming him or acting like it's his fault. Because he didn't keep his mouth shut. No pun intended.

To be honest if these hollywood agent pedo's want some teens who are willing they should troll the Social media influencer crowd. Some of those guys post pictures and videos that would make a pornstar blush.

by Anonymousreply 5109/12/2019

Datalounge never used to be pervy like this. It's getting creepy in here.

by Anonymousreply 5209/12/2019

Predators use and destroy. They don't help their prey to become famous and maybe be in a position to take revenge on their rapist.

They use legit kid stars as bait to lure the prey in. Once you've been abused you can kiss your legit career good-bye. None of them will see you as a viable candidate for a Hollywood career just something to fuck and then get rid of. Weinstein was a bit different, because he got off on the idea that he turned his casting couch conquests into legit movie stars.

by Anonymousreply 5309/12/2019

I work with traumatised kids and there are always a lot of kids who think they "asked for it" with their behaviour or went "willingly" along with something have always been groomed by older abusers. So saying 15 year old kids should know what it means to get famous is to give up your ass or pussy is basically the same what the kids are telling me who have been groomed. And it's so wrong, they are not responsible for . someone else abusing them and they are most certainly not professional victims.

It can also happen to everyone. What helps most is if the kids have strong parent who have good relationship with their kids so that they dare to come and talk to them but to be honest it can happen to everyone. Confident kids, talented kids, kids from good families. The abusers know their stuff, they prepare and they play the long game.

by Anonymousreply 5409/12/2019

These predators don't go for children who have a good connection with their parents. They go after the weak ones who either have a difficult home life or are just vulnerable in other ways easy to be manipulated to keep silent.

by Anonymousreply 5509/12/2019

r55 That is a dangerous conception. It means kids from good family how have good connections with their parents are even more scared of telling. And the parents are even more blind because they trust the good relationship they have with their kids. and are sure their kids will tell. And some will but others feel too ashamed to come forward. Like I said. Abusers play the long game. Everyone was a weak side and they find it and use it to their advantage.

by Anonymousreply 5609/12/2019

Ricky sure doesn't mind showing off his body does he? And no that doesn't excuse his molestation. He could be a total dick slut and that wouldn't make it right.

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by Anonymousreply 5709/12/2019

r56, true. But when parents establish a connection with their kids and NOTICE that their kids' attitude changes all of a sudden children are more inclined to share than with parents who don't have much of a connection with their kids and are too busy to notice any significant changes in their kids' attitude.

Guys like Michael Jackson not only worked on the children, but also worked on the parents to let their guard down and to basically push their kids into his arms. That doesn't work on parents who look out for their children.

by Anonymousreply 5809/12/2019

Ok it's from LPSG so take it for what it's worth but someone thinks Asher's manager may have taken unsavory pics of him.

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by Anonymousreply 5909/12/2019

It's not a sudden change, it's a change that develops over time. When the parents notice and talk to their kids the abuser usually by that time has the kids in such a tight hold they have all kinds of excuses ready. And if it's teenagers most often it's blamed on hormones or just being a moody teenager etc. I'm not excusing parents, there are horrible parents out there to allow their kids to me molested but most parents care for their kids and this devastates them and they blame themselves usually throughout their lives.

I wasn't gonna go this deep into this discussion but I've just noticed this trend more and more on dl and it's frustrated me more and more to see this kind of calloused toward abused kids and teenagers. I know the humour on dl can be brutal but in these cases it feels too much.

by Anonymousreply 6009/12/2019

[quote]Ricky sure doesn't mind showing off his body does he

Molested kids can swing both ways on the scale, they can become hypersexual or retreat and become non-sexual.

by Anonymousreply 6109/12/2019

It's really sad that Ricky got molested. He's super cute and always seemed gay to me but now he probably hates the idea of gay sex and may not even like gay people now. I was hoping he would come out some day maybe show off his new bf like Garrett Clayton or Thomas Dekker did. Fucking molesters ruin everything!

by Anonymousreply 6209/13/2019

Once Asher is legal he and Ricky should make a sex tape together.

by Anonymousreply 6309/13/2019

[quote]we follow your premise to it's logical conclusion

Oh, dear!

[quote]To be honest if these hollywood agent pedo's

Oh, DEAR!

by Anonymousreply 6409/13/2019

R54 and r56, please tell me you’re not responsible for writing any type of clinical assessments. Please.

by Anonymousreply 6509/13/2019

R63, unlike Ricky, Asher has a nice career going and looking to continue.

by Anonymousreply 6609/13/2019

Is Ricky gay? Sexual predators are good at finding gay kids to exploit. He pinged when he was on Best Friends Whenever but so did Gus Kamp who played his best friend. Wonder if they hooked up.

by Anonymousreply 6709/13/2019

As someone who was abused at the same age as him, there is one fundamental thing that is never addressed, and that is the reason it happened 20 times. The reason it happened so many times is because it feels good. That is why it is very confusing for 12 year old boys. And rape implies violence. He wasn't raped violently, he was seduced by a man who showed him how his body works. It's very easy to convince a 12 year old that they are enjoying the touch because their dick is hard.

Now, as an adult, he's realized that he wasn't participating in consensual touch. He was groomed and seduced and betrayed by someone he trusted and loved. Now, he'll be fucked up for life. A man sexualizing a boy intercepts the boy's natural sexual orientation and then they grow into men who are confused as to what they desire. These men usually identify as bisexual, or some sort of neutral label.

He should sue, and hopefully criminal charges will be brought, too.

by Anonymousreply 6809/13/2019

R18, R14 is a troll who is here to be divisive.

by Anonymousreply 6909/13/2019

Poor Asher. The Ricky/Asher pool picture was that at a entertainment event because if it was who knows what kind of people were attending.

by Anonymousreply 7009/14/2019

R13 he actually has over 800k followers.

by Anonymousreply 7109/15/2019

Kids get a warped sense of what (true) love means by being sexually molested and groomed to be someone's sexual plaything he (or she) may share with others. The thing is if they would remain in that particular bubble they would never learn that they have been taken advantage of, and they were not loved, they were used. But society is quick to set them straight, that what was being done to them was wrong and that demands someone to get blamed. The victim? The victim's parents (for letting it happen or not doing their duty and protect the child)? The predator? Kinder garden or school (for not picking up on the signs?). Sexual abuse and molestation has a ripple effect that can carry on for an entire lifetime where decisions are based on the sexual abuse (true love can only be between a child and a grown adult, pimping you out means love and approval, don't trust anyone because they don't understand, it was done to you so it's only fair to do it to others, take your power back by taking other kids' power, etc.).

Our society is fucked up, because we are conditioned to not deal with trauma and let it define our future. Preferably for the worse so we can be easy prey for snake oil salesmen.

by Anonymousreply 7209/15/2019

This thread is useless without pics or videos...

by Anonymousreply 7309/15/2019

Joby and Friends should go to Pakistan and become bus drivers. Disturbing video.

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by Anonymousreply 7409/15/2019

Tyler Grasham is disgusting. In case you want to leave him a message, here's his Twitter page (and its gross 37 followers who don't mind following a predator):

https://twitter.com/tylergrasham1?lang=en

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by Anonymousreply 7509/15/2019

Did Ricky hook up with his co-star on his Disney show? Gus Kamp pings more than Ricky does. Gus doesn't seem to have a girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 7609/15/2019

I would be shocked if he and Gus didn't hookup a few times and that was before I heard about the molestation.

by Anonymousreply 7709/15/2019

Gus and Ricky on "Best Friends Whenever" were gayer than Cyrus and T.J. On "Andi Mack."

by Anonymousreply 7809/15/2019

There are plenty of pics like this all over the Internet. These two were very close.

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by Anonymousreply 7909/16/2019

More homoerotic pictures from these two

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by Anonymousreply 8009/16/2019

Is it weird that I think Ricky is hotter now that I know he puts out?

by Anonymousreply 8109/25/2019

Wow, some genuine perverts on today.

by Anonymousreply 8209/25/2019

Bump

by Anonymousreply 8309/25/2019

This thread is a dumpster fire.

by Anonymousreply 8410/10/2019

Ricky is adorable. Hope 8teenBoy will be his next career trajectory.

by Anonymousreply 8510/10/2019

He was high AF here.

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by Anonymousreply 8610/25/2019

Interesting that you posted that r59 I posted this on the Hollywood pass around bottom thread before seeing your post

"Typically the most dangerous time for the longterm molester is actually when he breaks off the "relationship" with his victim. That's when the victim realizes he or she was just used for the molesters sexual pleasure as they've usually moved on to someone younger and newer.

The victim realizes this wasn't some special secret romantic relationship it was just a way for the creep to get off. I'm sure that's what happened in the case of Ricky Garcia. The person who groomed/sexually abused him found a younger version of him. Likely a young up and comer in the entertainment business just like him."

I'm not saying Asher was a victim but I find it hard to believe this manager guy wouldn't go after Asher given his access to him and these guys don't usally stop with one kid. I doubt he said to himself wow this Ricky Garcia molestation went so well I think I'll just stop here. Drop the mic and roll out

by Anonymousreply 8710/26/2019

Also I didn't know that Garcia and Asher Angel had the same manager when I posted and did someone say he lives with Asher?

by Anonymousreply 8810/26/2019

Wow, he is super high r86 His eyes are glassy his speech is halted. Damn!

by Anonymousreply 8910/26/2019

[Quote] His clients and two families who were former best friends of my son have truly been blinded by his game, as we were for years.

I guess it's safe to say the ex-manager still manages Asher Angel. Who's the other client? Emery Kelly?

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by Anonymousreply 9011/03/2019

R87 You are right.

* See also: Michael Jackson and his relationship to James Safechuck.

by Anonymousreply 9111/03/2019

The mother makes reference to support from his "band family", so Kelly is not the other one still in Harte's clutches.

by Anonymousreply 9211/03/2019

[Quote] By attending this tour you are approving and supporting the fact that this tour was facilitated by a child molester.

I think the tour in question was Asher Angel + "In Real Life", another boy band managed by Harte.

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by Anonymousreply 9311/03/2019

"In Real Life."

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by Anonymousreply 9411/03/2019

The Angels seem to be classic stage parents; Asher's 13-year-old brother is already joining him on stage as a "rapper", Aaron Carter-style.

by Anonymousreply 9511/03/2019

Asher already looks like he's seen some shit.

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by Anonymousreply 9611/03/2019

I wonder what's pushed Asher over the top. He has a hideous tone.

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by Anonymousreply 9711/03/2019

I guess even his own mother couldn't be relied upon at first...

[Quote] I live with regret daily not having helped my child sooner, but due to the extremely manipulative and vulnerable state I had been in, it was hard to see and accept the painful truth. I FINALLY woke up and saw the light! I found the strength to listen to the horrific abuse my child had dealt with and kept private for years. When children have the courage to speak up with such gripping news- BELIEVE THEM!

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by Anonymousreply 9811/09/2019

TLDR "I was busy cashing checks!"

by Anonymousreply 9911/09/2019

What a shitshow.

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by Anonymousreply 10001/03/2020

Is "his" manager a lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 10101/03/2020

[Quote] Hollywood only wants certain stories to be told. The stories where underage kids are plied with alcohol at the homes of glittery celebrities, like Chris Pratt and Anna Faris, and then sexually abused by adults in the industry aren’t stories anyone in tinsel town wants you to hear. Stories about how Disney knowingly allows their underage stars to be surrounded by pedophiles, and that their executives know about, witness, and even partake in child sex abuse aren’t stories they ever want the world to hear.

[Quote] Tammy Garcia has a story Hollywood doesn’t want you to hear.

[Quote] It’s the story of a mother, groomed and seduced by powerful dream-makers, whose bright, young, talented son became a Disney Channel star with a Hollywood Records contract, while at the same time he was being ritually sexually abused, and trafficked to Hollywood elite, including managers, agents, executives and others employed by the biggest companies and studios in the industry.

[Quote] “There are pedophile rings all throughout Hollywood. We stumbled into one of those rings,” Tammy revealed to me, the devastation and pain in her voice palpable.

[Quote] That her own son became the victim of a well-insulated, Hollywood pedophile ring is a gut-wrenching and heartbreaking reality it’s taken Tammy Garcia more than a year to accept. As a mother, it’s been a humbling, tragic, regret-filled nightmare. A cautionary tale, teeming with villains, and a few truly brave heroes, all culminating in a mother and son’s determination to fully expose and once and for all end the scourge of Hollywood: systemic, institutionalized, pedophilia.

[Quote] One of the first steps in accomplishing this came on September 11, 2019 when Tammy’s son Ricky Garcia, 20, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court in which he named his ex-manager Joby Harte, 37, Joby’s Hot Rocks Media business partners Paul Cohen and Sheri Anderson Thomas, talent agency APA, former APA agent Tyler Grasham, and manager Nils Larsen, currently employed by Management 360.

[Quote] The suit alleges that from the age of 12 years old Ricky was groomed, sexually abused and raped on a weekly basis, and that Joby Harte passed him around as a “sexual plaything” to other powerful pedophiles throughout the business.

[Quote] The day the suit was filed articles appeared in People, Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter, and TMZ, among others. However, despite the serious nature of the charges and the many and far-reaching implications of the case, not a single outlet pursued the story further.

[Quote] “The one thing that can fix this is talking about it, but Hollywood doesn’t want to talk about pedophilia,” Tammy says, a reality she quickly figured out the day after the story of Ricky’s lawsuit broke, when everything went radio silent. And, of course it did. This story has the power to bring down giants. The problem is, it’s the same giants who also own the media.

[Quote] That’s when Tammy Garcia reached out to me instead. Over the course of nearly two months of phone conversations as well as an in-person, sit-down interview, which will be released to the public, Tammy took me through a stunning timeline of events as well as provided me with emails, written witness testimonies and documents compiled for the civil lawsuit, all of which detail the years of torture and abuse her son suffered, the names of those who partook, those who knew, and those who covered it up. The following expose is entirely drawn from these documents, emails and witness testimonies.

by Anonymousreply 10201/03/2020

[Quote] It all began when Tammy and Ricky attended a talent expo in Dallas, Texas, at which Ricky was scouted by over a dozen Hollywood managers, and subsequently signed with Joby Harte. At Joby’s urging, Ricky and Tammy moved to L.A., arriving in Hollywood in August of 2011 with a dream, the talent to achieve it, and $20,000 of bank-borrowed money.

[Quote] The grooming of both 12-year-old Ricky and his mother Tammy started right away.

[Quote] “I was told stories from day one about the momagers and stage moms, that being one of those would hurt Ricky’s career.”

[Quote] Tammy was instructed over and over, by Joby as well as others, not to be involved in matters of Ricky’s career, to stay in the background. Since Tammy’s husband had just lost his career, and because they’d borrowed money for the move to pursue this goal, everything was riding on Ricky’s success. Thus, at the urging of ‘the Hollywood professionals,’ Tammy took a backseat approach from the start, a choice she would come to deeply regret.

[Quote] Not long after arriving in L.A., Ricky teamed up with Emery Kelly and Liam Attridge to form the boy band Forever In Your Mind.

[Quote] Shortly thereafter, during an overnight ‘songwriting’ trip which was strictly “no parents allowed,” Ricky and his bandmates, were taken to Catalina Island by Joby Harte and several songwriters, all adults.

[Quote] Once there, the young teens were plied with alcohol including Scotch, tequila, vodka and champagne, purchased and served by Joby and the other adults. Ricky and Emery both drank to excess, to the point of being sick. After which Joby undressed and bathed Ricky, then Ricky blacked out. Ricky woke up the next morning naked in bed with Joby, having no memory of what had happened.

[Quote] This began a pattern that would go on multiple times per week for four years, steadily progressing to include all forms of sexual abuse, including rape, as well as abuse by other in addition to Joby Harte.

[Quote] According to the documents, one of the first people in Hollywood to sexually assault Ricky, other than Joby Harte, was Joby’s good friend then APA agent Tyler Grasham, who has since been fired by APA and has a long list of underage male accusers.

[Quote] This particular incident occurred when Joby ubered Ricky over to Tyler’s house. The two adults were already intoxicated when Ricky arrived. While Joby was throwing up in the bathroom, Tyler sexually assaulted Ricky. Joby later drove Ricky home while intoxicated, another regular event.

[Quote] In April 2015, Ricky started working on the Disney Channel show “Best Friends Whenever,” and in October the band signed with Disney’s Hollywood Records.

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[Quote] According to Tammy, “The band flourished under Disney and Hollywood Records development.” They released several singles and Hollywood Records produced their first album, “FIYM.” They made multiple TV appearances including Good Morning America, performed in concerts, promotional gigs, and continued developing their brand.

[Quote] As part of the Disney machine, FIYM attended almost every red carpet and music event, such as the BMI Awards in Las Vegas, MTV Awards, Teen Choice Awards, Radio Disney Music Awards, iHeart Music Awards, and countless others.

[Quote] During this time, FIYM also took meetings with Spotify, iHeart Radio, Instagram, and other influential corporations with the power to elevate their music and profile on a global scale. At his point, Joby was grooming and ritually sexually abusing Ricky on a regular basis.

[Quote] In April of 2015, after attending the Radio Disney Music Awards, there was an afterparty at the home of Nils Larsen, a manager who represents Big Little Lies and Divergent star Shailene Woodley, as well as Disney Channel and Hollywood Records star Olivia Holt.

[Quote] According to the documents, an incident occurred involving Tammy’s middle son, who’d been invited to attend the awards with his brother. Nils Larsen aggressively pursued the young man, despite repeated attempts to inform Larsen that he was straight. The message was not being received. Ricky’s brother ended up having to jump the fence and flee on foot to escape Larsen’s unrelenting sexual advances.

[Quote] Soon after that night, there was a concert at The Roxy in West Hollywood showcasing fellow Disney star and Hollywood Records label-mate Olivia Holt, which Ricky and his bandmate Emery attended with Joby, followed by an afterparty held at the 21 and over bar upstairs, On the Rox, which Ricky, Emery and Joby attended, along with some members of Hollywood Records and Disney, and other underage Disney talent.

[Quote] That night, according to the documents and witness testimony, Hollywood Records executive Danielle Leonard observed Joby Harte openly kissing Ricky on the lips. Also that night, according to the testimony of Ricky Garcia, Nils Larsen sexually assaulting. Not to mention, in the presence of these studio and label executives, and under Joby’s supervision, Ricky and Emery were served alcohol to excess. And Joby, who was extremely drunk, left with the boys, driving them while intoxicated back to his house where they stayed the night. Ricky stayed, as was very often the case, in Joby’s bed, and woke up the next morning next to Joby, naked.

[Quote] This was a Disney party, after a Disney concert, filled with underage Disney stars, being plied with alcohol, openly. Where child molestation was going on, openly. Brazenly. All under the watchful, knowing eye of Disney employees. And none of it seemed to be a problem, as no consequences resulted. No one, it seems, was looking out for or concerned about the safety and well-being of the kids in the slightest way.

[Quote] For the general public, it’s hard to imagine anything more “off-brand” for the company that brought you Frozen and The Magic Kingdom than minors being plied with alcohol and sanctioned child sex abuse. And yet, for those in the business, like Ricky, his band and label-mates, this seems to be the reality of the Disney Corporation out of public view. For kids working to make it in Hollywood, attending ‘parties’ where they’re surrounded by predators, openly sexually abused and regularly plied with drinks, all in the presence of studio and label executives, is more than an everyday occurrence. Many would argue it’s expected.

[Quote] Such was the case once again during the fall of 2016, when Joby Harte and Ricky attended yet another party, this time at the home of Anna Faris and her then-husband Chris Pratt.

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[Quote] According to Tammy and Ricky’s testimonies, as well as the lawsuit documents, at the home of this powerful, famous Hollywood couple, Ricky was again served alcohol openly and excessively. And at one point during the night, Marketing and PR veteran Lisa Delcampo, the long-time “right hand man” to Lance Bass of NSYNC, and yet another good friend of Joby Harte’s, took Ricky, a minor, into one of the bedrooms and sexually molested him after being granted permission to do so by Joby Harte in what one could conclude amounts to nothing less than child sex trafficking.

[Quote] Lisa Delcampo was in her mid-30’s at the time.

[Quote] Many will recall how Chris Pratt, star of Disney’s lucrative Guardians of The Galaxy franchise, came to the defense of director James Gunn after his thousands of truly confounding pedophile tweets surfaced.

[Quote] Also, worth remembering, that Lance Bass revealed that he too was sexually abused in Hollywood as an underage star.

[Quote] One honestly has to wonder, is this how tinsel town actually works? Is Hollywood little more than an exclusive club made up of pedophiles, child traffickers, and pedophile protectors?

[Quote] Then, according to the documents and witness testimonies, there was Sara Espiritu, the 28-year-old Walt Disney Studios employee, who cultivated a sexual relationship with the teenager after Ricky had been groomed, sexually abused and passed around to adults in the industry for four years.

[Quote] Disney was made aware that their adult employee was having a sexual relationship with their talent Ricky Garcia, a minor, as Joby Harte discussed the matter with Hollywood Records Senior Marketing Manager Michelle Alexander. However, not only did no one tell Ricky’s mother, Tammy, but the Disney Talent Relations employee was not investigated for having sex with a minor, nor was she fired from the supposedly family-friendly behemoth.

[Quote] The Disney Corporation handled the situation by transferring Ms. Espititu out of Talent Relations to another department within the company.

[Quote] At this point, an incredibly disturbing pattern is emerging, one which gives new context to Bella Thorne’s recent comments regarding the years of child sex abuse she too suffered while starring on a hit Disney Channel show.

[Quote] The similarities in their tragic experiences are uncanny.

[Quote] It’s easy to see the echoes of Ricky’s story in Bella’s haunting words, “everyone around me saw, and did nothing,” as Ricky endured the very same thing.

[Quote] On February 11th 2017, Joby brought Ricky to the CAA Grammy party, which took place at Hyde Sunset on Sunset Blvd in Los Angeles.

[Quote] “You want to go to the CAA party. The CAA Grammy party, that’s a big one,” Tammy recalls, trying to make sense of how all of this happened to her son right under her nose, reminding herself of the seduction and the constant hustle of ‘trying to make it’ in tinsel town, and yet ever frustrated by her own naivety.

by Anonymousreply 10501/03/2020

[Quote] “The night before … until the morning of,” read the official invite for the private party CAA hosted for its music clients.

[Quote] The agency represents clients such as Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Bruce Springsteen, Katy Perry, Kanye West, John Mayer, Keith Urban, Carrie Underwood and countless other global mega stars.

[Quote] At the 2017 CAA Grammy party, in the presence of arguably all the most powerful stars and executives in the business, Ricky was again openly served copious amounts of alcohol although, of course, he was well underage.

[Quote] On this night, according to Ricky Garcia’s testimony and lawsuit documents obtained by Tammy Garcia, CAA agent Janet Kim, another woman in her 30’s, took a turn with Ricky, as Joby Harte once again trafficked him to the high-level industry executive, employed by the most powerful agency in Hollywood. With Harte’s permission, Kim sexually molested and abused the young boy he’d been grooming, abusing and passing around town since he was 12 years old.

[Quote] Janet Kim would later go on to represent the band on behalf of CAA as their music agent and coordinate their 2018 Euphoric tour.

[Quote] Around this same time, Joby hosted a birthday party for Ricky. The party was attended by his bandmates, and other friends of Ricky, all ranging in age from 15 to 21 years old. According to the documents, witness testimonies, and Tammy’s eye-witness account, also in attendance were three Hollywood Records employees: Michelle Alexander, Danielle Leonard, and Lyssa Hurvitz, along with Joby’s partners, Sheri and Paul, and other underage Disney talent.

[Quote] Joby hired a professional bar service for the party, and in the presence of multiple Disney employees and high-level Hollywood executives and gatekeepers, minors were, once again, served alcohol openly and to excess.

[Quote] I asked Tammy how it’s possible that plying minors with alcohol in the presence of executives from companies and studios doing business with these same children could be going on, and on such a regular basis.

[Quote] “This is all completely normal in Hollywood,” Tammy explained, realizing, only now that she’s out of it, how truly abhorrent it is, to say nothing of the illegality and incredible liability this opens the corporations up to.

[Quote] Ricky finally confided in someone about the years of abuse on March 28th 2018, when he told Joby’s former assistant Alli Bohl. Two days later, on March 30th, 2018, Ricky confronted Joby about the abuse, also revealing at that time that he planned to tell his mother what Joby had done to him.

[Quote] “Joby went white. He was speechless,” Ricky recalls.

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[Quote] On April 2nd, less than 48 hours after Ricky confronted Joby, Joby announced a tour for the band’s second album, Euphoric, which was a surprise to everyone from the band members to their parents.

[Quote] Joby had manifested the tour out of thin air with the help of CAA and, in particular, Janet Kim, who sprung to action booking dates for what was to be a ‘grassroots, promotional tour.’ Joby promptly began spreading news about the tour all over social media, which angered Alli who felt this was, “a clear manipulation tactic to pull Ricky back in and make it harder for him to escape Joby.”

[Quote] Ricky had promised Alli that he would tell his mom about what Joby had done to him. But after two weeks passed, and Ricky still hadn’t told her, Alli made the difficult but critical decision to tell Tammy herself.

[Quote] In what Tammy now calls “a major life regret,” she met with Joby to discuss what she’d been told. At this time, Tammy wasn’t aware of the extent of the abuse nor was she aware of the others involved. As someone who was equally groomed, mentally, emotionally and psychologically by Harte, Tammy listened to and was persuaded by Joby’s explanation, that it was “horseplay.”

[Quote] “In Joby’s presence, my anger would just dissipate,” Tammy recalls, heartbroken not just by what Joby had done to her child but by her own part in not preventing it as well as her inaction during this specific period of time. After speaking with Joby and the announcement of the tour, Tammy now hoped to handle the situation privately as opposed to going to the authorities.

[Quote] Understandably, the next year was a tremendously difficult one for Ricky. Though professionally his band toured for their Euphoric album as well as performing as the opening act on the American Idol tour, and Ricky was cast in and filmed a movie, personally and emotionally he was struggling.

[Quote] In December 2018, after other members of Ricky’s family, including his father, were made aware of the abuse, Ricky finally went to the police, filing a report with Officer Josephina Torres of the LAPD.

[Quote] According to Tammy the investigation was flawed from the start, to say the least, “Joby was never even interviewed or questioned by the LAPD.”

[Quote] The other band moms also corroborated the fact that Joby was never questioned by the LAPD.

[Quote] Then, in February, in what was a crushing blow for Ricky, the DA decided not to prosecute, claiming there was not enough evidence, and the case was closed. When Ricky’s attorney attempted to press the issue, Officer Torres did not return his phone calls.

[Quote] The same month, in February 2019, an anonymous email entitled “Urgent Alert Regarding Joby Harte” was sent to several hundred people within the industry, including people within Disney which spoke directly about Joby Harte being a pedophile and assaulting Disney talent he represented during their minor years.

[Quote] I obtained the email through Tammy Garcia, below is a screenshot of the message in its entirely.

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[Quote] Disney conducted a brief investigation internally. The Disney Human Resources Department and Head of Security reached out to Alli Bohl.

[Quote] Alli and Ricky had a conference call with them, in which they confirmed the sexual abuse. Incredibly, however, nothing whatsoever happened as a result of that email. In fact, Joby Harte continues to represent underage Disney talent to this very day. And just last month he was part of a lucrative deal with Warner Brothers and DC Entertainment for Shazam 2 on behalf of Asher Angel, 17, whom he still represents.

[Quote] “Powerful people were sent that email,” Tammy confirms.

[Quote] One month after the email, in March 2019, Lyssa Hurvitz, who works for Hollywood Records PR Department, was asked to walk the red carpet for the Kids Choice Awards with ‘In Real Life,’ another Disney boy band formed on an ABC/Disney show, whom Joby currently represents.

[Quote] While at the Kids Choice Awards, Ms. Hurvitz noted Joby there with the boys, still representing them. Already being aware of the email and ensuing investigation, she once again went to Disney Human Resources to express her concerns. There Lyssa Hurvitz spoke to Soledad Boyle about the situation. According to documents for the civil lawsuit given to me by Tammy, Ms. Boyle told her, “you are not allowed to have an opinion on this matter and need to do your job.”

[Quote] Ms. Boyle has been with Disney since 2007. Before becoming a Human Resources Manager at The Walt Disney Studios, a role she still currently holds, she was the company’s Internship Program Manager.

[Quote] The obvious question naturally becomes, is Disney protecting pedophiles?

[Quote] “Yes, they are. Disney is protecting pedophiles,” Tammy asserts without wavering.

[Quote] Another important question is why the LAPD phoned in the investigation, never so much as questioning the accused, Joby Harte, on what were very serious accusation of child sex abuse and trafficking, and how and why the DA decided not to prosecute. How engrained is pedophilia within the closed power system of Hollywood? How protected are the perpetrators, and why? Why do the justice and law enforcement systems appear to be designed to protect the abusers instead of the victims of these vile, unacceptable, life-destroying crimes?

by Anonymousreply 10801/03/2020

[Quote] It wasn’t until the summer of 2019 when Tammy finally became aware of the full extent of the abuse Ricky had suffered. A complete timeline had been amassed for the civil suit now underway, detailing upwards of 60 specific instances, that this had been near weekly abuse including rape and assault by multiple people whom Tammy now understood were well-insulated pedophiles. She also now began to understand how she, along with her son, had been groomed and manipulated not just by Joby Harte, but by the entire Hollywood machine.

[Quote] The ‘why’ of systemic child sex abuse is something our society will eventually have to tackle, once we begin to understand what the Garcias’ story teaches us, which is the ‘how’ and the ‘who.’

[Quote] The Garcias’ story demonstrates how these behemoths not only knowingly allow pedophiles to surround children, sanction and even participate in abusing them, they cover-up their own crimes, not once, but twice. First when they occur, and again when the media buries these explosive stories.

[Quote] Or does it paint a picture of the same type of top down power structure, teeming with pedophiles and pedophile protectors, which Ricky encountered and which both he and his mother Tammy are intent on exposing and destroying.

[Quote] In one final baffling decision by those who should be concerned with protecting children, the trial in the civil lawsuit, which Ricky filed on September 11, 2019, isn’t scheduled to take place until 2021 at the soonest and could easily be pushed back further.

[Quote] As for Tammy and Ricky, what Hollywood wants right now is their silence. They’ve been told to keep quiet and be patient. “Let the justice system do its job.” Meanwhile, they must endure watching Joby and the other perpetrators of crimes against children not only walk free but continue to work in Hollywood including with underage kids, and the most powerful studios in the world covering up their crimes and appearing to reward them.

[Quote] Usually, in these high-profile Hollywood cases, the public is kept in the dark about the real facts, justice is evaded and nothing changes. But there’s something entirely different about Tammy Garcia and her son Ricky. There’s something different about this time in human history. This isn’t twenty years ago. This isn’t going to get buried and go away. Ricky Garcia will not become another Hollywood statistic, and neither will Tammy. Not this time.

by Anonymousreply 10901/03/2020

[Quote] These two have been to hell and back, and they’re here to make sure that what happened to them never happens to anyone else ever again.

[Quote] This closed power system of abuse, criminality and near total narrative control is what has provided a breeding ground the Epsteins, Weinsteins and Joby Hartes of the world to exist. And stories, like what happened to Ricky, circulating the globe, have the potential to blow it all apart. To make certain the guilty are held accountable, and ensure the future protection of children. A goal everyone should be behind, and any who aren’t should be called out and scorned.

[Quote] In a positive turn of events, the world has recently learned that the former Chairman of Disney Studios, Richard Cook, and former President to Disney/ABC Studios Geraldine Layborne flew around with international child sex traffickers Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell on the “Lolita Express,” according to the flight logs. Is it really surprising then to discover that ABC spiked the Epstein story?

by Anonymousreply 11001/03/2020

r3 men who prey on young boys are not homosexuals. If you are gay you should know this.

[quote]The attractions of hebephiles and pedophiles are less focused on the child's sex than are the attractions of "teleiophiles" (people who sexually prefer adults)—i.e., much larger proportions of hebephiles and pedophiles than teleiophiles report being attracted to both males and females.

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by Anonymousreply 11101/03/2020

R28, your cynicism is astounding. Were you abused too? Or do you abuse others? Because your response to this is highly abnormal, and isn’t one that an emotionally healthy person would choose as a hill to die on.

Look, I understand that what you’re saying is true: most kids understand things in ways we didn’t, because of the internet. However, a child is still a child, and a genuinely victimized survivor of sexual assault, is still a victim, regardless of their sex, age, personal agency, chosen career, or varying circumstances surrounding assault.

Speaking up takes courage. And while I agree that victims should come forward, everything we know about sexual assault, abuse, and paedophilia, tells us that victims are groomed, and part of the grooming is successfully conditioning the child or adult, to keep quiet.

There are more victims in this story than whom we are currently aware of. Bet on it. Perhaps Ricky’s public revelation will allow them to come forward too.

by Anonymousreply 11201/03/2020

I find it interesting that the people hopping on the MeToo gravy train are always has-been, out of work performers. You never see a celebrity with a successful career and plenty of money calling out any higher-ups. It's curious.

by Anonymousreply 11301/03/2020

I guess you missed some of the names that spoke out on Harvey Weinstein.

by Anonymousreply 11401/03/2020

Ricky Garcia is 20. He's not a hasbeen. He's recently completed work on a Netflix film that shot in Hawaii. His bandmate is a regular on the Netlfix sitcom "Alexa and Katie." These people are young, working actors (and singers).

by Anonymousreply 11501/03/2020

Is that Barron Trump on the left in r24's photo?

by Anonymousreply 11601/03/2020

R114 Ah, yes, household names like Paz De La Huerta and Rose McGowan. Silly me, how could I forget such big stars?

by Anonymousreply 11701/03/2020

You're forgeting that GOOP spoke out?

by Anonymousreply 11801/03/2020

R115 If Ricky Garcia is your definition of Hollywood success than your bar is lower than his follower count.

by Anonymousreply 11901/03/2020

R118 Of course. A sane, relevant, hip star.

by Anonymousreply 12001/03/2020

[Quote] If Ricky Garcia is your definition of Hollywood success than your bar is lower than his follower count.

What is his follower count?

by Anonymousreply 12101/03/2020

[Quote] Of course. A sane, relevant, hip star.

Your attempts at moving the goal posts are rather transparent.

by Anonymousreply 12201/03/2020

If you read the blog below, not only was Ricky Garcia abused by men but by two female Disney execs as well.

If what is described by Garcia and his mother, this story might have legs.

They describe Ricky being at a party at Chris Pratt's house and other Disney official where top Disney execs saw underage kids being given lots of alcohol and said nothing.

When one female Disney employee reported to Disney Human Resources that she had seen adults give minors alcohol and grope them she was told "You are not to have an opinion on this. Just do your job'

When Garcia went to LAPD they just shrugged it off and didn't even interview Joby.

This story seems to finally give evidence that many powerful people just look the other way and it is business as usual.

Will this story grow?

by Anonymousreply 12301/03/2020

rather the blog above

by Anonymousreply 12401/03/2020

Boys Beware

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by Anonymousreply 12501/03/2020

The pedophile is a degenerate and deserving of a 45. Caliber aspirin.

by Anonymousreply 12601/03/2020

If I were advising, I don't know that I'd want the mom to be leading the conversation...

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by Anonymousreply 12701/04/2020

The mom sounds like she has an axe to grind with all the conspiracy theories about "pedowood"

I'm sure this kid was abused, but I bet a lot of the stuff she is claiming is exaggerated

by Anonymousreply 12801/04/2020

[Quote] I bet a lot of the stuff she is claiming is exaggerated

Such as?

by Anonymousreply 12901/04/2020

[quote]They describe Ricky being at a party at Chris Pratt's house and other Disney official where top Disney execs saw underage kids being given lots of alcohol and said nothing.

Uh oh are we seeing the beginning of the end of Chris Pratt's career ??? Marvel is going to be pissed...

by Anonymousreply 13001/04/2020

This isn't getting any traction, though, is it?

by Anonymousreply 13101/04/2020

R129, for one, she straight up lies about Bella Thorne. Bella said her abuser was someone from her every day life, not anyone connected to showbiz, yet she makes Thorne's abuse seem like part of some Disney conspiracy

by Anonymousreply 13201/04/2020

Do you have a link to Thorne's comments? From what I can see, she talks about abuse until she was aged 14. Her father died when she was 9. Was the abuser a family friend? Was her mother complicit in the abuse?

by Anonymousreply 13301/04/2020

R133, we had a thread about it a while ago. She made it clear that the abuser was living with her family. Possibly a cousin, uncle, or member of her extended family.

by Anonymousreply 13401/04/2020

[quote] and deserving of a 45. Caliber aspirin

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 13501/04/2020

[quote]The mom sounds like she has an axe to grind with all the conspiracy theories about "pedowood"

And this is where things are getting muddled. I believe her son was abused but this talk about ritual abuse and a pedofile ring sounds like Pizzagate conspiracy theories. This woman who is reporting on it seems like a conspiracy theorist who hates "Hollyweird" and now Rosanne Barr has reblogged it and Corey Feldman has commented on it so now she's getting the loon brigade's attention.

by Anonymousreply 13601/04/2020

The quasi journalist does seem very bootleg. It seems on both sides that we're not dealing with very educated people here. Though I believe the blogger knows what she's doing by using "ritual" rather than repeated/regular. She's not actually claiming there were hoods and pentacles, she's just using manipulative, emotive language.

by Anonymousreply 13701/04/2020

The only good pedophile is a dead pedophile.

by Anonymousreply 13801/04/2020

What ugly stories.

by Anonymousreply 13901/04/2020

The mom has no incentive to make this shit up she ends up looking bad.

Plus she went to the police. I can't believe Asher Angels parents are still letting him be represented by this guy

by Anonymousreply 14001/04/2020

R140, she has plenty of reasons to make this up.

And people have made false complaints to the police

by Anonymousreply 14101/04/2020

What are the reason's that she would make herself look as bad as she does with these details?

by Anonymousreply 14201/04/2020

*reasons

by Anonymousreply 14301/04/2020

Asher Angel's mom, livetweeting her son shooting hoops...

by Anonymousreply 14401/04/2020

Livestreaming, I should say.

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by Anonymousreply 14501/04/2020

[Quote] And people have made false complaints to the police

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

by Anonymousreply 14601/04/2020

Other blog entries by the woman who is writing about Garcia's abuse.

Is This The Last Pope? 4 Historic Prophecies Say Yes. There are four well-known prophecies which all predict that Pope Francis will be the final pope, that his fall is guaranteed, and with it will take down the Luciferian bloodline cabal, the Roman Empire, once and for all.

Cameron Boyce, Pedowood, and The Disney Death Machine. It took me less than 20 minutes of digging to connect Cameron Boyce to shady charities involved in child slavery, pedophiles and predators, and dicey elites like Richard Branson.

The corner of the internet where those who are still asleep gather is FREAKING OUT because ladygaga just tweeted "i don't remember ARTPOP" - her 2013 album. NEWSFLASH: Your 'idols' are all dissociative mind control slaves. Welcome to The Great Awakening...

She also believes Netflix, George Clooney, Adam Sandler and Ellen DeGeneres are all CIA controlled puppets.

I get Ricky's mother wants her son's story out there but aligning herself with a crazy person makes it seem implausible. But then again she has homophobic right-winger Isaiah Washington and Ellen Barkin retweeting it.

by Anonymousreply 14701/04/2020

R146, why are you bitching at me and not the person claiming everything reported to the police is true?

by Anonymousreply 14801/04/2020

So the whole story is a lie and the kid wasn't abused or was the abuse exaggerated?

by Anonymousreply 14901/04/2020

Claiming everything? Can we talk about this topic, rather than some non-specific shit?

by Anonymousreply 15001/04/2020

Exaggerated as in Joby Harte was telling the truth about "horseplay"? And it's just coincidental those other two male names socialised with Harte and his charges?

Look at the video posted at r86 and tell me it does not feature a child who's high as fuck at an industry event. This Joby Harte was taking care of his client at events like these? We know Garcia was failed by his parents. Are we really going to take Harte's bullshit excuse when we can see video proof of a minor under the influence of substances on a red carpet?

by Anonymousreply 15101/04/2020

Posters upthread said the story is exaggerated , R151. That's what I was responding to.

by Anonymousreply 15201/04/2020

"2,000 Instagram followers?"

Essentially all of Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 15301/04/2020

He has just under 800k followers on Instagram. Someone was playing a little joke upthread, I guess. Naughty rascal.

by Anonymousreply 15401/04/2020

[quote] I can't believe Asher Angels parents are still letting him be represented by this guy

I'm sure Asher's 13-year-old brother is in good hands.

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by Anonymousreply 15501/05/2020

Gross. Who would even lay a hand on that ugly thing?

by Anonymousreply 15601/05/2020

Does the manager pick out Asher's outfits as well or...?

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by Anonymousreply 15701/05/2020

Was there an open bar at Angel's 16th birthday as well?

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by Anonymousreply 15801/05/2020

The same people who believe Michael Jackson's accusers who not only have no evidence but testified in court that Jackson didn't touch them are probably the same ones who dismiss Ricky Garcia out of hand.

by Anonymousreply 15901/05/2020

[quote]Basically, never trust any man

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 16001/05/2020

The evidence of child sex abuse from years gone by? That's what abusers bank on - and why that producer recently was so adamant on his young female protege ending her livestream...

by Anonymousreply 16101/05/2020

[Quote] Basically, never trust any man

Three women have been named as abusers of Ricky Garcia.

by Anonymousreply 16201/05/2020

"The same people who believe Michael Jackson's accusers who not only have no evidence but testified in court that Jackson didn't touch them are probably the same ones who dismiss Ricky Garcia out of hand"

ROFLMAO, there is way more evidence against Michael Jackson than against anyone accused by Garcia.

by Anonymousreply 16301/05/2020

"Three women have been named as abusers of Ricky Garcia."

Bet they had consensual sex with him, and wouldn't be surprised if he was the aggressor. Even the mom uses the term "relationship" to describe the so-called abuse: "Then, according to the documents and witness testimonies, there was Sara Espiritu, the 28-year-old Walt Disney Studios employee, who cultivated a sexual relationship with the teenager after Ricky had been groomed, sexually abused and passed around to adults in the industry for four years."

by Anonymousreply 16401/05/2020

So basically some fish is on this thread telling us that there's no way a woman could have sexually abused him (despite him naming multiple women) and trying to tell us that all men are evil sexual predators. Interesting.

by Anonymousreply 16501/05/2020

[Quote] Bet they had consensual sex with him, and wouldn't be surprised if he was the aggressor. Even the mom uses the term "relationship" to describe the so-called abuse: "Then, according to the documents and witness testimonies, there was Sara Espiritu, the 28-year-old Walt Disney Studios employee, who cultivated a sexual relationship with the teenager after Ricky had been groomed, sexually abused and passed around to adults in the industry for four years."

Minors cannot consent. This is news to you?

by Anonymousreply 16601/05/2020

r166, pay attention to the dates. He was not a small child when most of this happened. His own mom described this as a "relationship"

by Anonymousreply 16701/05/2020

R113 It's not surprising that the more successful entertainers have more of an incentive to stay quiet. They have more to lose. That doesn't change the underlying fact that raping minors (even with their consent after the implied promise that fame and fortune will follow) is despicable. The more we talk about this and call out the pedophiles, the easier it will be for more victims (maybe even the very successful ones) to come forward. Only by bringing this systematic exploitation into the light can we hope to end it.

by Anonymousreply 16801/05/2020

[Quote] pay attention to the dates. He was not a small child when most of this happened.

Was he a minor or not?

by Anonymousreply 16901/05/2020

He's a totally self-aware whore and always was. It's pretty awful how common the prostitute attitude seems to be among young people now. Just the other day due to my car being in the shop I had the rare and horrifying experience of riding a public bus, where I was treated to overhearing a group of teenage girls, 16 years old at most, casually talking about one girl's "sugar daddy", one of them remarking how jealous she was and she needs to find one, too. This sort of grotesquerie will only get worse, fellow gays, until some group with moral conviction puts a stop to it. They'll be even worse, though.

by Anonymousreply 17001/05/2020

[Quote] He's a totally self-aware whore and always was.

How long have you two been acquainted?

by Anonymousreply 17101/05/2020

R46 I disagree. I blame the parents 100% ! You are the adult and that child is your responsibility. If you can't protect your child than what good are you as a parent? No One should be able to blind you long enough to groom your child. And how do you approach show business and think that this is a safe place for my child?

Those boys were drugged. Even a 12 year can scream in pain. Acting like it was just the alcohol is naive. These creeps don't want some puking 12 year old in their bed.

by Anonymousreply 17201/05/2020

Asher's little brother is even prettier than he is. I'm sure he's perfectly safe in the hands of Joby and all his friends. Those guys would never in a million years think of exploiting children. Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey can vouch for them.

by Anonymousreply 17301/05/2020

What evidence r163. Pictures? Nope. Video Nope. Secretly recorded audio tape? Nope. Actual provable in court testimony? Nope again. The FBI raided Michael Jackson's home and opened his safe when he was out of town and they found nothing, not a thing. Making Michael Jackson the only child porn loving man who never had any actual child porn.

by Anonymousreply 17401/05/2020

R174, stop lying. The cops found books with titles like Boys Will Be Boys that are frequently owned by pedophiles. These books featured "artistic" nudes of young boys.

Btw, no one found child porn at Jerry Sandusky's house.....guess that means he was not guilty!

by Anonymousreply 17501/05/2020

Test.

by Anonymousreply 17601/05/2020

[quote] Btw, no one found child porn at Jerry Sandusky's house.....guess that means he was not guilty!

I don’t know nothin bout that.

by Anonymousreply 17701/05/2020

Look, we've got a good thing going here, don't ruin this for us.

by Anonymousreply 17801/05/2020

Fuck off r175 Take your fake ass no proof having self somewhere else. I one minute search of the Internet will take you to this article on Huffington Post

"These were all items that were entered in court back in 2005 ― items that were well known to both the prosecution and defense and were presented before both Judge Melville and the jury. None of the items seized from Neverland fit the legal definition of child pornography, and in fact many of the items that are currently creating the most media hysteria were not pornographic at all. They were legal art books; a few of them containing some examples of adult erotica, but again, these were not titles that could be in any way deemed as pornographic or even obscene."

by Anonymousreply 17901/06/2020

This isn’t to say that Jackson didn’t own any pornography at all. The truth was that a sizable amount of adult heterosexual pornography had been confiscated in the raid, but Jackson was a grown man and this type of pornography is not illegal to own. In the absence of any hardcore “smoking gun” evidence against Jackson, the prosecution tried desperately to make a case for several legal art books which Jackson owned as part of an extensive library, one that contained over ten thousand titles on art and photography (subjects that were of interest to him as inspiration for his own lyrics and films)

by Anonymousreply 18001/06/2020

" These art books, as they were written up and described in the original police reports, were clearly stated as not being pornographic in nature but as items that could “possibly” be used as part of a “grooming” process (however, it is important to note that this was not a claim the prosecution was able to successfully prove in court). Secondly, it has been confirmed via a statement issued by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department that several pages of the document ― which originated with the publication Radar Online-appeared to have been falsified, with images that were never part of the original documents, claiming those images “appeared to have been taken from internet sources.”

So again. No child porn found and nothing of an erotic nature about children. But you do have two known liars on your side Wade Robson and that other guy so go with that why don't you.

by Anonymousreply 18101/06/2020

Here is a link to the article if anyone wants to read it.

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by Anonymousreply 18201/06/2020

Could adult pornography be used by a paedophile to try to arouse a potential victim?

by Anonymousreply 18301/06/2020

"Only by bringing this systematic exploitation into the light can we hope to end it."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 18401/06/2020

R183, porn is often used as a pretext for talking to children about sex. Abusers also expose children to pornography to manipulate prospective victims into keeping secrets for them, e.g. "Don't tell your mom you saw this or you could get into trouble." If the child complies with that, there's a chance he or she will comply with the next fucked-up thing the abuser wants.

by Anonymousreply 18501/06/2020

Yeah it could r183 but sense about 95% of all men both view and own pornography it's unfair in the extreme to say that Michael Jackson used porn as a grooming technique. It's just like with the Central Park Five. even though those boys were totally cleared people still want to say they were involved somehow.

Michael Jackson was weird a shit and I wouldn't like a grown man wanting to hang around my young sons all day but we let Scout leaders and gym instructors , swim couches, Karate couches etc do that stuff all the time and nobody bats an eye. Remember the famous case of the guy who blew the brains out of his sons molester in the airport? His sons rapist was his Karate instructor.

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by Anonymousreply 18601/06/2020

People don't tend to allow their kids to sleep over at the karate instructor's house.

by Anonymousreply 18701/06/2020

[quote] but sense about 95% of all men

Oh, dear!

[quote]swim couches, Karate couches etc

Are these anything like my Davenport?

by Anonymousreply 18801/06/2020

Sorry I meant coaches. LOL

You're joking right r187 People will let their kids sleep anywhere they feel their kids are safe. If the Karate instructor or whomever has kids of his own that's even more reason not to be suspicious.

by Anonymousreply 18901/06/2020

A few years ago the Baltimore Ravens had a cheerleader who it turns out was fucking the friends of her young son. She was well liked in the community, her husband was a big time lawyer or something Her son had a sleepover and while he and her husband were upstairs entertaining the other kids she was giving a blowjob to one of his young friends in the basement. She had been grooming the 15yo boy for months meeting him for sex in parking lots and other places, exchanging romantic texts with him.

"The victim’s father, who also spoke to the court, said he was the one who dropped the boy off at the home Molly Shattuck, her children and some of their other friends were staying in that night. Shattuck assured him, he said, that the children wouldn’t have any drugs or alcohol — that they’d all be safe with her.

“We were a half a mile away,” the father said ruefully. “Never did it enter my mind what was happening.”

My point is that you can't tell based on outward behavior who is safe around you kids and who's not. Michael Jackson was weird as shit but their is no credible evidence that he molested any kid. This cheerleader bitch who was trusted by everyone including her Husband and children committed the ultimate betraying to them as well as the kid she molested. Oh and because she was a woman she got a light sentence despite the pleading of a hard sentence by the victims family and the prosecutors.

by Anonymousreply 19001/06/2020

Age of consent in CA is 18. That blog is insane, but if he was 16 or 17 and fucking Disney employees, it's a crime.

by Anonymousreply 19101/06/2020

R190..." In 2014, Shattuck developed a relationship with the friend and classmate of her oldest son Spencer. Spencer originally acted as his mother's liaison, texting his friend "Call my mom. She thinks you're hot."

JESUS

by Anonymousreply 19201/06/2020

Did Michael Jackson keep kids around after the publicised cases?

by Anonymousreply 19301/06/2020

Wouldn't it be great to get a similar mugshot for this Joby Harte person?

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by Anonymousreply 19401/06/2020

[Quote] Spencer originally acted as his mother's liaison, texting his friend "Call my mom. She thinks you're hot."

Yikes.

This would have been a Meredith Baxter Birney TV movie if it had happened in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 19501/06/2020

r192 r195 I'm willing to bet that Spencer didn't really think anything would come(no pun intended) of his joking text to his friend to call his mom. This is why I"m always suspicious of mothers who want to act like they are the same age as their daughters.

Spencer probably thought oh yeah my mom is always making jokes like that or something.

I tell you what. If I was that son. I would never talk to my mother again and I would probably kill my friend for having sex with my mom.

by Anonymousreply 19601/07/2020

Fuck off OP. Fucking Trump supporting Pizzagate QAnon wacko. Are some children abused in Los Angeles? Yes. Are some children abused in every single city by people in every single industry? Yes. Is that a cabal of people molesting children and covering it up in Hollywood? FUCK NO you fucking mental patient.

by Anonymousreply 19701/07/2020

His bandmate's mother has added her voice to the allegations. I'm no fan of the blogger's editorialising but I think it's good that Joanna Kelly has spoken up in support. (I fast forwarded to Kelly's comments throughout.)

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by Anonymousreply 19801/08/2020

And people were starting to doubt this kids claims. Many still do. At least he made his allegations on record with law enforcement while the alleged perpetrator was still alive and could defend himself.

by Anonymousreply 19901/09/2020

He must have been some good top to get passed around like that. Even women wanted him. Big PR pinga?

by Anonymousreply 20001/10/2020

"He must have been some good top to get passed around like that. Even women wanted him. Big PR pinga?"

You're assuming it's true, which I wouldn't considering the people involved

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by Anonymousreply 20102/11/2020

Actually, the allegations were reported by reputable outles. The blogger only came into the picture later.

by Anonymousreply 20202/11/2020

The initial allegations. Before they started spinning all kinds of shit about anyone he ever met....

by Anonymousreply 20302/11/2020

While it's certainly opportunistic to drag Chris Pratt's name into it, they've been pretty clear about who sexually molested him.

by Anonymousreply 20402/11/2020

Not really, r204. And now that blog post was taken down, hmmmmm

by Anonymousreply 20502/11/2020

[Quote] Not really,

Yes, really. They named specific people.

by Anonymousreply 20602/11/2020

r206, naming specific people doesn't make it true. Btw, when this first came out he was just naming Joby Harte, then decided to name a bunch of other people, I guess to get more attention

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by Anonymousreply 20702/11/2020

Any new updates on the case ??

I hope the same thing is not happening to Asher....

by Anonymousreply 20802/11/2020

[Quote] when this first came out he was just naming Joby Harte, then decided to name a bunch of other people, I guess to get more attention

Sure, Jan. He named Lance Bass' assistant to get more attention.

by Anonymousreply 20902/11/2020

[Quote] they started spinning all kinds of shit about anyone he ever met....

[Quote] naming specific people doesn't make it true.

[Quote] she has plenty of reasons to make this up.

[Quote] And people have made false complaints to the police

Hmmm. All kinds of shit? You're making wooly comments and when challenged on them, you answer with generic "some people lie" statements.

by Anonymousreply 21002/11/2020

r210 must believe everything he reads

by Anonymousreply 21102/11/2020

r211

And you're flip flopping all over the place, troll.

[Quote] I'm sure this kid was abused, but I bet a lot of the stuff she is claiming is exaggerated

[Quote] Bet they had consensual sex with him, and wouldn't be surprised if he was the aggressor.

[Quote] many victims don't come forward because they're ashamed and embarrassed or because they're afraid people like you won't believe them

by Anonymousreply 21202/11/2020

And here's another one of your comments

[Quote] blame the abuser not the parents

Yet, you've written the exact opposite in other comments. Strange way to get your kicks.

by Anonymousreply 21302/11/2020

r213 is the one siding with a homophobic Trumpster

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by Anonymousreply 21402/11/2020

[Quote] is the one siding with a homophobic Trumpster

Nah. I've written that I'm no fan of the blogger. Troll harder.

by Anonymousreply 21502/11/2020

Tiffany FitzHenry is a conspiracy theorist with her head up her ass. IGNORE.

by Anonymousreply 21602/11/2020

Takes a troll to know one, r215

by Anonymousreply 21702/11/2020

The accused

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by Anonymousreply 21802/11/2020

Last night Asher's mom was livestreaming him dancing shirtless in a very sexual way, almost like a male stripper, and cheering him on. It was undeniably hot, and Asher was clearly having fun, but you can't help feel there are some boundary issues in that family.

by Anonymousreply 21904/19/2020

R196. Do you think it’s appropriate to use sick pun jokes when talking about something like this?

I get being irreverent, that’s bad enough, but you really took it to an extremely sicko level. Even for this site.

I hope you go check into some sort of mental rehab and evaluate yourself. Stay away from other people till you get help. You are extremely dangerous and a very sick person.

by Anonymousreply 22004/19/2020

Who's Garcia railing these days?

by Anonymousreply 22104/19/2020

[quote] I'm willing to bet that Spencer didn't really think anything would come(no pun intended) of his joking text to his friend to call his mom.

[quote] Do you think it’s appropriate to use sick pun jokes when talking about something like this? I get being irreverent, that’s bad enough, but you really took it to an extremely sicko level. Even for this site.

LOL

by Anonymousreply 22204/19/2020

Damn r219 I want to see that. Is it saved anywhere?

by Anonymousreply 22304/19/2020

Here it is on Youtube, r223 (the dancing gets sexier later on).

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by Anonymousreply 22404/19/2020

Asher doesn’t appear to own a shirt, bless her heart.

by Anonymousreply 22504/19/2020

That Asher is one sexy little Minx isn't he? Did ya'll notice at time code 12:09 he starts playing with his dick? I kid you not. He's supposed to be doing the Michael Jackson crotch grab but all he actually does is slap his up and down. LOL

Is Asher still represented by Joby Harte?

by Anonymousreply 22604/19/2020

R224 That boy is destined for Lohan territory. Mom has Dina vibes

by Anonymousreply 22705/19/2020

In his own words.

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by Anonymousreply 22805/19/2020

Grabbing his dick as he eyeballs the camera, behind which is his mother? That's fucked up, r224.

by Anonymousreply 22905/19/2020

R228 well he can have no better advocate than the human dumpster fire that is Corey Feldman. How are the angels, Corey?

by Anonymousreply 23005/19/2020

Apparently the Asher Angel family haven't severed ties with Joby Harte.

by Anonymousreply 23105/19/2020

R229 he's also dating the daughter from the "YouTube Family" who livestreamed their son's funeral FOR THE FANS.

by Anonymousreply 23205/19/2020

R231 They probably think Ricky seduced him. on X factor Ricky was super flirty with Simon, it was weird.

by Anonymousreply 23305/19/2020

This situation is sad on so many levels. Mother is a conspiracy nut Christian lunatic Trump supporter. Son is clearly a gayling in denial of his own sexuality, trying to affirm his heterosexuality every moment he can, just like the Kevin Spacey restaurant victim, though originally his mom outed him as gay but later retracted and fabricated a girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 23405/19/2020

R232

They just broke up a few days ago - and now the ex-gf is crying about Asher's mom making a passive-aggressive post on his IG that unfairly puts the blame on her.

by Anonymousreply 23505/20/2020

Here's the distraught former girlfriend.

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by Anonymousreply 23605/20/2020

[Quote] originally his mom outed him as gay

Receipts?

by Anonymousreply 23705/20/2020

R236 Honey you have much bigger problems. Your parents put your brother's funeral on YOUTUBE.

by Anonymousreply 23805/20/2020

Garcia's pinga must have been magic to get passed around the way he was.

by Anonymousreply 23905/20/2020

[Quote] Garcia's pinga must have been magic to get passed around the way he was.

He was a child...

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With gay face

by Anonymousreply 24105/20/2020

R222 those are two different posters.

by Anonymousreply 24205/20/2020

These kind of playful vids read differently in light of the accusations against his manager, Harte.

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by Anonymousreply 24305/20/2020

I was afraid there for a second. I thought Joby Harte was going to be in the pool with them. It's a pretty tame video. The little brother did shake his little tush towards the camera but that's it.

I'm shocked they haven't fired Harte yet. I can't believe I'm going to say this but do you think the mother is saying "well I know he may be a molester but I never let my boys go anywhere alone with him"?

I'm starting to wonder if Asher Angel owns a shirt.

by Anonymousreply 24405/21/2020

Why the hell did his mom in him? Is she not proud of her gay son? She sounds like a homophobe...

by Anonymousreply 24505/21/2020

[Quote] well I know he may be a molester but I never let my boys go anywhere alone with him"?

I think that attitude is, in many ways, the business way. The comedian Paul O'Grady worked in a children's care home pre-fame. When the pedophile celebrity Jimmy Saville visited, O'Grady and the other staff members were instructed to not leave Saville alone with any of the children. They weren't told why (and Saville was not outed as a pedophile until he was dead). People will do "a little" to protect their own, but they won't slay the dragon if they can avoid it.

by Anonymousreply 24605/21/2020

Garcia mentions that Harte would even help with rent money, at times. That makes me wonder what kind of contracts he has his acts sign. He apparently gets his pound of flesh in more than one way, but the Angel family may be hesitant to get rid of him if they have to pay through the nose to accomplish it.

by Anonymousreply 24705/21/2020

Asher doesn't act as if he is someone who had been molested.

by Anonymousreply 24805/21/2020

Neither did Ricky. He was easily the most extrovert of his boyband trio.

by Anonymousreply 24905/21/2020

Behavior/personality can be deceiving when it comes to abuse victims. Look at Corey Haim. Super extroverted and smiley/happy as a teen.

by Anonymousreply 25005/21/2020

So if I understand correctly Harte never had sex with Garcia and only adults Ricky had sex with were women?

It's still molestation but the original news media accounts made it sound like there was intercourse

by Anonymousreply 25105/22/2020

[Quote] The Forever In Your Mind member sued the agency, along with fired agent Tyler Grasham and his ex-manager Joby Harte.

[Quote] an alleged assault on your client by Grasham at Grasham’s home in 2014.

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by Anonymousreply 25205/22/2020

Some real scumbags on this thread. OP was worried it would make gay men look bad, but if anything, it's this disgusting thread.

"He doesn't act like a victim. He wants attention. A 15 yr old knows what they are getting into. I want to see videos. He must of had a hot hole."

Like I said, a lot of scumbags in here. I'm really hoping it's 1% of users, and not more than that.

by Anonymousreply 25305/22/2020

I had a poster try to drag me to hell and back for insinuating that some celeb MIGHT have done the casting couch shuffle. He said I was crazy and homophobic. Meanwhile, little boys are getting diddled for rent money and a D-list singing career, yet I’m the crazy one. Im sure if I told that poster 10 years ago that A-D list stars were fucking Jabba the Hut in hotel rooms, he would have called me crazy. Everyone in Hollywood isn’t gay or putting out for roles, but many are willing to play the game. Hollywood is know for its abuse of power, this young man’s case is just another story.

by Anonymousreply 25405/22/2020

[Quote] Majors & Minors: Host

I'll bet.

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by Anonymousreply 25505/22/2020

He has a habit of posting sad eyed photos and then smiling alternates. I hope he has more support than just his immediate family.

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by Anonymousreply 25609/06/2020

He looks like one of Amber Heard's girlfriends.

Except he's attractive.

by Anonymousreply 25709/06/2020

At least he seems to have some friends. The guy with him was a Disney/Nickoldeon kid as well.

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by Anonymousreply 25809/06/2020

Joby?

by Anonymousreply 25909/06/2020

Brits have strange "cute" names, e.g. Jonty.

by Anonymousreply 26009/06/2020

Twelve is such a tender age. Not at all sophisticated as some here have argued, internet or no internet. I'm wondering how many here who say they should have seen the situation as typical, or recognised it for what it is really spend any real time with twelve year-olds.

My nephew just turned thirteen, and my best mate's son is twelve. They're capable of processing much less than you think. They shouldn't have to either. This should still be an innocent and idyllic part of their childhoods. No one ought to be blaming these lads, they're the victims of sex pests. They don't owe any explanation as to why they allowed it to happen more than once. Another rather interesting comment from upthread was about the children not having "noble reasons" or motivations for ratting out their abusers. What the bloody hell is this? Since when does a child require a "noble reason" to stop or prevent an abuser? Some sick tossers on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 26109/06/2020

It wouldn't surprise me if Harte has been posting here.

by Anonymousreply 26209/06/2020

R170, I have a question for you?

Do you project past experiences onto kids as a form claiming consent after realizing that you were victimized as a child yourself, and hence giving yourself a pass when you act out inappropriately with others, even if legal adults?

I ask because it sounds like a classic response given by people who were sexually exploited as children or teens or even as adults, yet were groomed by their abusers to believe that they were responsible for their behavior and had the power to consent or participate as consenting sexual partners, yet they were actually not.

This also happens when children or teens initiate sexual contact either by not knowing what they are doing, or by not knowing that it is illegal and inappropriate for the adult or child that they have expressed a sexual curiosity toward, to respond in consensual manner that is not actually consensual, but is rape or sexual abuse of a minor. Also, a typical response of a child who was coerced to believe their participation and enjoyment of their sexual abuse, as consensual rather than as illegal and punishable by law.

I am not attempting to say you were sexually abused or that you repeat cycles of exploitation, however, responses such as yours are usually indicative of a history of sexual abuse and the lifelong to and fro from attempting to make sense of it.

Sexual abuse and assault is fundamentally tragic because it oftentimes isolates victims of sexual assault, childhood or adult, to form intimate bonds with their peers as equals, and sets up the abused to deny that they weren’t actually abused, were consensual of the activity, and sadly sets them up to then perpetuate abuse on others in order to solidify their grasp of the situation, and this allows them to devalue the premise of victimization as well as the possibility of persons being victims, which in turn, allows them to repeat the behavior or deny others the appropriate identification of their assaulted, or that their assault was assault, allowing them to deny becoming possible assaulters or exploiters of others in various ways.

It’s fucked op and while I disagree with your assessment of this situation, I understand why you believe this. It’s about remaining in control, 100%, which is impossible for any adult and legally and emotionally impossible for a minor.

by Anonymousreply 26309/06/2020

I think this is new and I found this thread after watching it. It sounds like most avenues have run out to bring the actual perpetrators to justice. But he should consider suing his mother for child endangerment and not protecting his interests. She really deserves to be held responsible for some of this damage, being stupid is no excuse.

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by Anonymousreply 26409/15/2020

Is Harte still managing Asher Angel? Does he manage Asher's siblings (who are underage)?

by Anonymousreply 26509/15/2020

Who are these mysterious nobodies?

by Anonymousreply 26609/15/2020

I have never heard of this boy band or these people but for obvious reasons as I'm in my late 20s and don't watch Disney Channel. That said, Disney and Nickelodeon both have awful reputations with covering up the asses of predators.

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