Buttigieg >> Obama

[quote] Pete is more intelligent than all the presidents in the last 4 decades combined

LOL

Ehhhh, that's a bit of a stretch, OP. But I know what you mean.

I'm always impressed by the fact that he always has a good, well thought out answer to every question. I don't think I've seen him flummoxed by any question he's been asked. He's a very quick thinker with a deep and broad pool of knowledge to draw from. If he was straight, he'd be the front runner.

If Buttigieg is so smart how come he didn't know he was gay until he was in his 30s?

I knew I was gay in elementary school!

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yeah he's so smart he decided to run without fixing the policing problem in his own fucking city

he's smart but c'mon. He should have known it would come up. He should have CARED that it happened at all

二匹の馬　nihiki no uma　(Two horses)

有名になるけど yumei ni naru kedo (Make me famous but)

不満の気分 fumannokibun (I feel unsatisfied)

^ Wrong thread but makes this one better..

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It's a nice vanity campaign.

He's not really running for office in a serious way, but he has won the hearts of lots of older guys who see themselves in him. One older guy I know is throwing a fundraiser in his home for him.

It's nice.

If he is so smart, why doesn't he have public policies written down, so we can read them? Also, if he such a smart, great mayor, why does his town hate him? He is a small town mayor, who wants out because his town hates him.

Bernie is dumber than Trump and marginally better than Beto's.

Warren was a republican till she was 50. So intelligent that pig.

If Buttigieg is so smart why did he marry the first guy he fucked with his shoes off?

R10 is the tiresome anti-Buttigieg troll. Mentally ill.

R13 maybe chasten’s Hole is magical?

You anti-Buttigieg trolls are obsessed with him and Chasten. Maybe you're friends of that Jacob Wahl little shit who is going to prison soon.

[quote] It's a nice vanity campaign. He's not really running for office in a serious way,

He is absolutely serious. Are you kidding? Do you idiots actually listen to yourselves before you speak?

If he was going to start surging and become a top tier candidate, it would have started by now. But his support is completely stagnant: below 5 percent on average. How many candidates who flatline for months go on to win the nomination?

How about letting a few actual primaries happen before you write him off?

No one is writing him off. He is actually getting a disproportionate amount of attention from the media. How many candidates polling at 4th or 5th (at 5%) get this much media coverage?

R20 well the homo thing....

Buttigieg is a neoliberal shill and a mediocre standard bearer for the queer community. The good news is that he doesn't have a chance in hell of winning.

His endgame is a well paid gig on MSNBC or CNN, not this "the-emperor-has-no-clothes" campaign. Or, maybe a s a "liberal" spokesman for Chik-Fil-A.

[quote] Buttigieg is a neoliberal shill

And that's why he gets my vote in any race he's in.

He's a moderate who seems to realize that the neoliberal project needs adjustment. His plans for the midwest indicate this. Socialism will not work.

Modest minds project modest ambitions for Pete. He's more than a George Stephanopoulos. He will be President. The man is brilliant.

‘Fox & Friends’ Worries Pete Buttigieg Might Be the Next Obama

You can't win the democratic primary without strong support from the African-American community. After he tore down the homes of African-Americans in South bend and hired killer cops, he has basically no credibility with those constituents. His base is middle-aged white women who always wanted an inoffensive gay friend just like Pete.

Isn't it strange that the trolls have actual talking points to stick to when it comes to Pete? Wonder why that is? You can smell Repugs through the ether.

I imagine supporters of other Democratic candidates, R29. Harris who is desperate comes to mind.

I don't think so, R30. Democrats can't stick to talking points and it's all the same bullshit talking points repeated over and over and over. That's Repugs.

I don't know. I may step on some peoples toes here, but some of the contributions I could also easily attribute to the 2016 Bernie boys phenomenon. You know, that type of people in the 2016 primaries who could go either Sanders or Trump. Not that all Sanders devotees would be like Trump voters, just some. I remember the convention back then where Bernie fans wouldn't even let other people speak. At that point I was seriously wondering how many resources the Russians added to the Sanders movement. It's this type of anti-democratic behavior that's still around every now and then. Not really understanding how these people tick. Republicans, yes, but these twisted minds do exist on the Democratic side, too.

R32, BernBros aren't Democrats.

I agree, but don't they claim to be?

R34, they can claim it but I'm referring to your use of them as an example of both-siderism when it comes to twisted minds. BernBros are sexist, lazy, entitled, white boy libertarians. I'll agree that Repugs and Libertarians are both twisted minds but the Democrats haven't fallen down in that particular area just yet. Let's see what happens if Bloody-Eyed Biden gets the nomination.

R30 Probably the DNC. They don't like outsider candidates like Pete.

[quote] Probably the DNC. They don't like outsider candidates like Pete.

Are you kidding me?? He's the *ideal* DNC candidate: stands for nothing in particular except for cute general talking points that we can all reasonably agree with, won't rock the boat too much or try to make any substantial changes to the status quo, but will attract money from celebs and corporate donors. The DNC is far more scared of Warren, let alone Sanders, than Buttigieg.

R37 You fucking idiot, is that the reason why Warren has more DNC members endorsing her than Buttigieg ? Is that the reason why Warren is always meeting Hillary for "advice" ?

R38, you fucking idiot. Buttigieg has Obama and his operatives advising him. Don't try that shit with me.

Obama is supporting Pete over Biden? Big if true!

No, he isn't R40. R39 is an idiot. Beto was the one actually getting interest from the Obama bunch. But, that was ages ago before Beto flopped so spectacularly.

[quote] [Buttigieg] won't rock the boat too much or try to make any substantial changes to the status quo

I actually think that his ideas for the Supreme Court are rather groundbreaking. Guess we all have different needs for groundbreaking programs. And I personally appreciate that he is trying not lose the center.

HIs Episcopalian god is on his side.

Let's be honest, Pete is a bore. Where's the pep? Where's the pizazz? He's the dullest gay man I've ever seen. And why does he always have a sad pouty look on his face?

Wrong, r41. Several of Obama's people have signed on with Buttigieg's campaign.

And Kamala Harris's campaign is filled with ex-2016 Hillary staffers.

You can all draw your own conclusions on that one.

R45 several of sanders staff worked for Obama and Sanders ex campaign manager is now working for Biden. Go figure, moron. What is establishment and what is not ?

HE LACKS RELEVANT EXPERIENCE. It's not that he's gay, or too moderate, or too establishment or too cerebral or too white or too whatever. HE LACKS RELEVANT EXPERIENCE.

He should be running for the House or the Senate.

R19 I think he could be a contender in future years, but I just don't see it happening this time around.

He's had a ton of media exposure, been in two debates, and raised the most funds last quarter, yet his polling has stagnated at about 5% for over two months. When has an eventual nominee ever had his or her numbers flatline at such a low number for that long?

Phenomenal campaign so far. A no name from a no name town, with grassroots and big contributions both, in a few months, there's not been a presidential campaign like Pete's in American history.

Billionaires are playing both sides. They want to undermine qualified democratic candidates and their policies by supporting a no name candidate. They will vote for Trump. They can give trump money to via super pacs.

Billionaires are trying to stop Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

[quote] R48: HE LACKS RELEVANT EXPERIENCE. It's not that he's gay, or too moderate, or too establishment or too cerebral or too white or too whatever. HE LACKS RELEVANT EXPERIENCE.

He has executive experience running a city.

He is smart enough to know to rely on experts who know more than him.

He knows that he can make mistakes.

He has good judgement.

He is not opposed to learning new things.

Based on the above, unlike Trump, I think he could be a success. I never again hope to see a President who is less intelligent than I am.

Evangelicals are on to the Episcopalians by now. They know they are not real Christians. They'd support a conservative Papist first.

Buttigieg is one smart cookie. He reminds me of Bill Clinton in some ways.

Yes, like Bill he has people skills, communication ability, and star power. Watch this young man.

R48, please list Obama's relevant experience. I'm from Illinois and he was my Senator for almost one whole term. Before that, he was a State Senator for a little while. Before that, he was a part-time professor. Before that, a community organizer on the South Side. Do you even know that but for his opponent's sex scandal, he wouldn't even have been a Senator?

Sorry, but Buttigieg's military experience and experience as a mayor is more relevant to a president than Obama's experience when he was elected.

As a wag once put it, Obama stopped by the Senate to ask for directions to the White House.

One term in the Senate is more valuable experience for being President than a lifetime as a small-city mayor. Washington is different.

Washington is different. Coming in as an outsider will help Pete. People are tired of Beltway politicians.

r58 No it's not.

8 years as Mayor + Military experience >> 1.5 years in Senate.

Obama wasn't running on a tainted record the way Buttigieg is. He came in fresh.

[quote]Coming in as an outsider will help Pete. People are tired of Beltway politicians.

You need a refresher course on Jimmy Carter.

[quote]Obama wasn't running on a tainted record the way Buttigieg is.

He doesn't have a "tainted" record. Why do Berners keep pushing this utter bullshit?

R62, he won, didn't he? Also, are you unfamiliar with the illegal international scheming that was done to get Reagan elected? A foreign enemy nation (this time Iran) colluding with Repugs to illegally win an election in the hope of gaining more favorable treatment? Shocking.

Mayor Pete is the second coming of Christ! I tear up everytime I think of that beautiful, glorious man!

R65, except no one is saying that. Loon.

[quote] He doesn't have a "tainted" record. Why do Berners keep pushing this utter bullshit?

I'm not a "Berner" and it's not bullshit. Please look up his racist fiasco as mayor of South Bend.

r67 There is no racist fiasco. Please look it up for yourself and if you want to discuss it, let me know. I will clarify.

R67 What do you want me to look up? I'm from Indiana, how about you? There's no "racist fiasco."

r69 I lived in South Bend. Now ask me what you want to know about our mayor's record

[quote] I'm from Indiana, how about you?

So? I'm not from Indiana, but I follow the news. His handling of that police killing in his town worries me and his proselytizing bothers me as well. Faith is a personal thing. I don't need this guy using the white house to push his "morals".

r70 Here . Sorry I misread your post r69.

r71 The same news which told you about Hillary's emails ? Sure, Jan.

I am asking you again, what did you learn from news ? I am ready to prove my point. Are you ready to prove your assertion ?

[quote] r69 I lived in South Bend.

Hahaha, yeah ok. Were you also at the incident as well?

No. But I am more informed than you will ever be. r73

Here is one of literally dozens of articles about the problems in South Bend.

Indiana coverage of the mess:

'You can't even handle little South Bend': Buttigieg criticized for leaving amid tragedy

r75 What is there in the article which says there is a fiasco ?

And there are literally hundreds of articles which talk about the steps taken by Pete to solve "racism" in his city. Do you want to read them ? Let me share

From South Bend Tribune:

"Appointed South Bend’s first Diversity & Inclusion Officer. This position was established to oversee the administration’s goal of advancing diversity and equal opportunity in the city’s work force and contracts. "

Passed an Executive Order calling on leaders to evaluate the city’s current policies and develop a plan to promote more diversity and inclusion within city government. It also codified the role of the Diversity & Inclusion Officer to oversee these city-wide diversity and inclusion initiatives. [2]

Passed an Executive Order calling on leaders to evaluate the city’s current policies and develop a plan to promote more diversity and inclusion within city government. It also codified the role of the Diversity & Inclusion Officer to oversee these city-wide diversity and inclusion initiatives. [2]

When local leaders asked for $3.5 million to renovate the Charles Black Community Center, which serves the historically black LaSalle Park neighborhood, Buttigieg managed to push through $4.5 million. [3] [4] Buttigieg was praised in a statement by the center’s director, Cynthia Taylor: “You’re gonna have to invite him in, you’re gonna have to sit him down, you’re gonna have to show him the issue,” she says. “Because he definitely will listen.” [4]

As part of the Center’s expansion, its computer lab will host the new Center for Learning, Information, Connectivity, and Knowledge (CLICK). This CLICK Center is part of an effort by the City of South Bend aimed at growing digital inclusion and helping community members gain the technology and digital literacy skills necessary to thrive in 2018 and beyond.

Started South Bend Youth Task Force to foster youth involvement in government and community, help start conversations about racial divides, school biases, and other issues affecting the youth of south bend.

The survey, a joint initiative by Living Cities and Governing magazine, offered high praise of South Bend’s efforts to target structural racism: “Rooted in an understanding that government at all levels has played a role in creating and maintaining racial inequity, resulting in a lack of access and opportunity for people of color in everything from education and employment to housing and healthcare, these cities seek to redress structural racism through an analysis of their own operations and make necessary changes in policy and practice.”

Worked with Police Department to ensure extensive focus on community policing, including through various measures overseen by the Office of Diversity and Inclusion: Created “Cultural Competency” calendars; Hosted monthly “Diversity Dialogue Lunches”; Held Law Enforcement and Local Men of Color small group summits; Held neighborhood Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion workshops; Hosted Unity Summits focused on “sharing your stories”; And implemented a Job Shadowing rotation program.

You asked for evidence that the press is covering his missteps as mayor, and there is plenty of that-- even more now that his campaign is flagging. If you are looking for the use of the word "fiasco" you will have to do that yourself. I get that you're IN LOVE WITH Mayor Pete but some of us are not and that doesn't make us bad people.

Pushed for total transparency on officer use of force, allowing residents to see what was happening and hold the department accountable. Instituted South Bend Police’s “Open Data Hub”, an online transparency database, so any resident can easily get data on crime statistics, case reports (including the number of times police had to use force when answering a call), and shows both officer complaints and compliments. The transparency hub was noted for being very advanced for a city of South Bend’s size.

R75 Here's a discussion specifically about that New Yorker article. Out of a city filled with people, the national news media has settled for interviewing the same ones, over and over.

R75 About that article.

r86 Are you dumb ? I didn't ask you to share an article about Pete's "problems" in South Bend. I asked what is the fiasco directly from you so I can understand how that's a fiasco and how I can clarify that. But no, you shared a negative article about which I guess disqualifies him from running for the POTUS.

Let me ask you a question straight.

You said you are not a Sanders fan.

If you are a Harris fan, how is Pete's record in anyway worse than Harris' prosecutorial background ? She literally targeted people of color to put them in jail and punish them for no reason while accepting donations from Trump and rubbing shoulders with Steve Mnunchin

If you are a Warren fan how is Pete's record worse than some one who pretended to be a Native American for her professional gain ? Don't tell me she did nothing wrong. If she did nothing wrong, she would not have apologized to native americans recently.

If you are a Sanders fan, how is Pete's record worse than someone who voted for draconian crime bill in the 90s and some one who unabashedly used N-words in his essays ?

And don't get me started about Biden. The man who has more than half of Blacks support

A reddit rant? Really? How about a verifiable source? You should really quit while you're ahead.

I am a Warren fan, although I'd take any of them, including the precious Mayor Pete. I think the Mayor Pete cult of personality is creepy. It's also how we ended up with Trump. I don't give a rat's ass about Bernie Sanders.

[quote]So? I'm not from Indiana, but I follow the news.

So learn more about Indiana's specific issues before you start forming opinions about the solutions to them. That would be more than the national media has bothered to do, frankly.

Compared with other large cities and/or cities of comparable size in Indiana, South Bend has become a crazy-ass liberal paradise. Please compare it to Indianapolis, which has genuinely appalling crime stats. For a policing comparison, try reading Propublica's series on the Elkhart police department -- which is in northern Indiana just like South Bend.

Abandoned housing and brown fields are a huge problem in the Midwest, and especially in Indiana. None of the towns have found a decent solution for this issue, but South Bend has actually put in the work to save its neighborhoods. There have been other proposed solutions, you know -- I invite you to Google "Mounds Reservoir," which was Anderson's plan: just flood out its poor black neighborhoods to make a recreational reservoir for Indianapolis.

So compare South Bend to other towns: Muncie. Kokomo. Valparaiso. Fort Wayne. Marion. Hammond. Columbus. Terre Haute. Compare their solutions. South Bend comes off pretty damn shiny. Inform yourself first.

The fact that you are fine with Warren robbing native Americans' identity but blame Pete for centuries old racism in his city speaks volumes about the way you decide who is the best fit.

Speaking about Warren, can I share the articles about her problems with race just like you did with Pete ?

r94 is for r92. If you are a gay man, I am sure you led a privileged and sheltered life away from the struggles we LGBT folks face on a daily basis. There is no other explanation to say Warren is better than Pete when it comes to race. Literally nothing.

Cherokees are still angry with Warren even after her apologies.

Notice how Warren formally apologized to Native Americans when she realized she has a shot at Democratic nomination ? Not anytime before in her 70 years of life. Don't you see that r92 ?

[quote]8 years as Mayor + Military experience >> 1.5 years in Senate.

People (including Pete) keep growing about his military experience as if he were General Washington, Andrew Jackson, John Kerry, Wesley Clark, Truman, Carter, or JFK. They keep gliding over the fact that Pete never saw one second of combat, not even behind the lines as a missile target expert or command staff.

Well, he may have seen some combat action on his computer monitor while he was disrupting Taliban and Al-Qaida money from being used in Afghanistan.

And there is NOTHING wrong with that; making it difficult for Taliban and Al-Qaida to fund their terror operations is an important and laudable mission. But it annoys me when people act like Mayor Pete served on the front lines, dodging enemy fire and smelling gunpowder and death. And while he may not *specifically* say he saw combat, he also never straight-up acknowledges he didn't.

I don't like that; it gives me snake-oil teas. Still, I will unreservedly vote for him if he is our nominee.

^^CROWING, not growing.

Of course since you cannot defend his actions, you have to go around attacking other candidates. And of course, you didn't remark about his proselytizing. I don't need him moralizing to me.

r98 Military experience is needed to understand how foreign policy affects people's lives. Whether you used guns to kill other or not makes little difference. And shame on you for belittling Pete's military service.

No one died because of Warren's mistake. That's one difference between her and Mayor Pete.

[quote] And shame on you for belittling Pete's military service.

Oh please. He is not the first presidential candidate to serve in the military. He's not even the only one running for president in 2020 with military experience.

No one died because of Pete r102. At least Pete didn't use someone else's race to advance his career. He rose on his merit.

I think it’s hilarious that in the last six months, DL has an influx of Benders posting. 🤔

I don't know if Pete will beat Trump.

But I think he's the ONLY candidate who can.

The other main contenders are all DC swamp dwelling insiders hated by the heartland America that voted in Trump even against their own interests.

The Dems need an outsider.

Not an anti Trump but the antithesis of Trump.

The rest run on narratives controlled by Trump.

They are doomed to fail.

That's an extremely bizarre theory, r106, considering Biden's strong and considerable lead in every poll so far.

[quote]I'm not a "Berner" and it's not bullshit. Please look up his racist fiasco as mayor of South Bend.

People spewing Repug talking points should not be listened to on DL. Shoo, asshole. And, take all your friends doing the same on this thread to the other Democratic candidates.

Here's how Pete is different from other politicians and why people feeI he is not only a smart man but a good man.

"As parts of the religious right embrace the apocalypse, Mayor Pete is quietly exploring if the left can reengage with spirituality.

In case you've been wondering what Pete been "attempting to introduce into the Democratic primary conversation about governance as he openly and comfortably owns his own religious faith. In a progressive cohort that is increasingly uncomfortable with any kind of God talk, Buttigieg, a devout Episcopalian, has been bringing his faith to the party. At first, this seemed to be an effective attempt to castigate the “faithful” on the other side, but more and more, Buttigieg seems to be trying to create a language of faith and tolerance for the political left. Whether this accrues to his electoral benefit is an open question, but the project also seems to be trying to counter the surging blow-it-all-up-for-God impulse on the religious right with a civilizing, communitarian, tolerant vision of faith for the religious left. Whatever its pitfalls, the Buttigieg approach is a marked improvement on a progressivism that finds itself both unable to talk about religion on its own terms and also unable to counter religious arguments and controversies on the right"

Most of his frau and gay male fans are just talking in circle about how allegedly great he is. Any post about this Pete puts me to sleep. He is so boring that I can't even give a shit about him as a candidate.

[quote] R97: Notice how Warren formally apologized to Native Americans when she realized she has a shot at Democratic nomination ? Not anytime before in her 70 years of life. Don't you see that [R92] ?

Probably because there was nothing to apologize for. However, these Native American individuals are mad at her now, and their feelings are worthy of acknowledgement just like anyone else’s, hence the apology. Sometimes, you apologize even when you don’t feel you own an apology, to keep the peace. Just like in a marriage.

[quote] R98: But it annoys me when people act like Mayor Pete served on the front lines, dodging enemy fire and...

I hear you. I have to give Pete credit for volunteering, though. I imagine that he was not in control of his assignments and could easily have been sent to the front.

In general, I think we fetishize military service in this country and I find that obnoxious.

I don’t doubt his religious sincerity.

And, it will serve him well to deflect some of the criticism of him for being Gay. It’ll be hard for someone who never goes to church to call him an abomination, for example. Through they will. Perhaps, less loudly and less often.

I don’t think Mayor Pete being gay will make a difference to most people nowadays if he is well-qualified in all the ways that count. Those for whom it will make a difference belong to conservative right groups who won’t vote for any Democrat anyways.

^^^ …anyway.