British Royal Family Gossip Part 92

Oh wow! The new installation of the thread that no one loves! I am very excited to not follow it.

OP and R373 of the last thread here ...

[quote] It does not work that way. There is a law of succession and the reigning sovereign has NO say in the matter.. If George has no legitimate children, for whatever reason, the crown goes to Charlotte then to her first born if she has a first born. For all you know Charlotte may be a lesbian.

We've had the Perth Agreement only a few years back, changing the rules of succession essentially dating back a thousand years. Who knows what other changes may be deemed necessary in the future.

Anyway, thx for your comment!

R1 and yet you're here, dumbass.

What’s up with Andy these days?

He's hiding away, trying to sit out the storm, I guess.

Haters gotta hate, r3.

what’s the forecast for the next State Openkng of Parliament? Crown and robes as usual, or something more manageable for a woman her age like a nice day dress and hat?

Little Archie's future next BFF.

you can bet she is already dreaming of Archie hooking up with some major US celebrity sprog, thereby creating some celeb dynasty ennobled with blue blood provided by the BRF

R7 - Good God, I'd forgotten about the State opening of Parliament and the Queen's Speech. I thought it was announced in June when it ordinarily would have taken place that due to political unrest, there would be no formal State Opening in 2019.

With a PM who no longer commands a majority, how could there be a Queen's Speech written by the government, as the government no longer has the authority to write it due to not having a majority?

I am old enough to remember Diana's first appearance at the State Opening, a few months after the wedding, everyone agog at how beautiful she looked in her white satin and the Cambridge Lovers Knot tiara. I think it may have been the first time she wore it.

What a shame - we could have seen Kate there wearing the tiara, dressed white.

Have William and Kate ever attended HM's speech in Parliament?

What has Markle done lately to piss off everyone?

R12, have you been in a coma?

Granted, it's not just Duchess Diva, but it's her pussywhipped husband as well who is to blame.

It is said Harry has skinny legs. Yes, no?

R11 Never. The heir and his wife attend - i.e. Charles and Camilla and previously Charles and Diana.

[quote] what’s the forecast for the next State Openkng of Parliament?

Meghan has designed a quite flattering look for the Queen that is slimming and also very stylish. Yes it is in Meghan's signature black.

R15, that's what I was thinking in the first place, but R10's comment re Kate got me thinking. I could've missed them having attended after all as I hardly ever watch the Queen's speech on TV.

Harry seems so deluded about meghan, I'm surprised he hasn't gone to parliament to enact a law that everyone must worship meghan in a temple and get tattoos of her and create a new national anthem for her. L

Well, were Dimwit and Markle invited to Balmoral or not? I have read reports saying they snubbed the queen, and then I read another report saying they never had plans to go to Balmoral this summer. Saying that the horribly-named Archie is too young, but then they flew off to Ibiza with the kid is rather hypocritical.

It seems like a snub to me. Couldn't they just go for a few days or a long weekend? The queen is 93. Sometimes you have to play along with older relatives who want to see family...especially after the queen approved of the $4 million renovation of FrogCott so these ungrateful, entitled, annoying, disliked, insufferably, awful moody bitches could have a copper bathtub and a very expensive roof over their heads.

I don't believe it's a snub. I think the family was quite fond of Harry.... they probably still are, but it's hard because she's so odious. Still, they'd have them both. I believe Meagain is the one who won't go... largely because she knows what she is and how she's seen. Such a sad thing for him, even if he is incredibly stupid. Dead mother, weak father, estranged brother, and that piece of baggage with her fangs in his neck. He did it to himself but that's why you pity him. I wish the two of them would go away, go to California, and stop damaging the monarchy.

R20. It's a snub...and it's still a snub regardless of who didn't want to go more. They are both adults, and they are displaying an unnecessary amount of disrespect. What the hell else are they doing? If the queen invites you--you go even if it's only for a couple of days just to be polite and respectful. And especially if it's the queen who gave you your home, title, cushy life and allows you to be an asshole without giving you a good smack upside the head, in private of course.

The kid is too young? Kiss my arse. They are going to Africa next month for an extended visit. The kid won't be much older than he is today. If you can go to Africa for two to three weeks, you can go to Balmoral for two to three friggin days.

And they should not be allowed to move to California. They are senior, supposedly working royals. If they don't want to live in the UK and be senior working royals, then they should resign from royal duties, renounce their line in succession, give up entitled life, money and privileges and give up their $4 million home. And oh by the way, give up their titles. If they want to have a vacation home in California for a few weeks a year, then perhaps that could be arranged. But to live in the US permanently or even for a few years? NO.

R21, I meant it wasn't a snub of them. It is a snub by them but neither knows any better. That pig is lucky he's so stupid.

Also, I agree and that is what I meant. Renounce royal life, get off crown funding, and make their way in the world. But mostly just go away. Like the Windsors, they'll find out what they're worth on their own and like the Windsors it won't be much. Cheap, tawdry curiosities, her clawing at him, him too dumb and besotted to do anything but pad along behind her. It would be a kindness if she divorces him and lets him return to a life that suits him.

Tungsten is known as one of the toughest things found in nature. It is super dense and almost impossible to melt. Pure tungsten is a silver-white metal and when made into a fine powder can be combustible and can spontaneously ignite.

R24, that makes me wonder which of them decided to call her that. Is Charles that clever? Or was it Camiller? I bet it was her.

LOL, I bet it was! Camilla's good value in many respects. Probably said it about three gins in.

Did she take the baby to NY with her today?

I told her not to bother and she said 'One step ahead, Pats.'

I would fucking love to get drunk with camilla

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Tungsten! Interesting.

So about this "Sussexit" theory, there are a lot of holes and it won't work but they'll probably try it.

I know the Queen Mum left more to Harry than she did to William because Wills inherits the PoW funds when Charles becomes King. I don't know how much that was exactly, not more than ten million I wouldn't think. He got roughly ten from Diana.

Harry married his mother, or so he thought. The part he loved in her is what he fell for in Markle. He got the crazy part too and a lot he has no idea exists. But he's going to figure it out because even stupid people can't avoid it forever and he isn't going to like it.

He's not the poor old Duke of Windsor, he's not stuck with his decision or her.

And then he'll need to find a new one. That could be fun.

Did you all see this blind item about the Harkles? They’re saying that it wasn’t so much of a snub as it was a fight between the couples...

So she couldn't go to Balmoral but she's going to the US Open to watch Serena.

Yeah, that's going to go over really well.

Weren’t there articles a few months ago stating the Queen was throwing MM a birthday party at Balmoral? Or was just that MM trying to get the Queen to invite her?

It is quite obvious that Meghan is ghosting the Queen. I find it hilarious.

Thanx OP for starting a new, FREE thread.

Indeed...it appears one has been ghosted.

I thought I'd never see the day when Her Maj and Thomas Markle had something in common....

Good, the Welp Troll hasn't found the thread yet.

At the moment, the Windsors need a bloody good distraction to take the attention off Randy Andy. Additionally the right distraction could take attention away, albeit briefly, from Brexit. So! Who's going to be killed off? The obvious one is the Duke of Edinburgh but he's already a walking corpse and no one will care if he dies. Then there's the Queen herself. But since she's the only member of the RF who still gets some respect, that's not a good way to go. Charles would be a good one since the crown will then go to William when the Queen dies and who want's Charles to be King? Everyone thinks he's a waste of space. Andrew would be too obvious. Imagine the conspiracy theories that would follow. No one is going to touch William since he's the only hope of a future king. And then we have Harry and Meghan. If they were to be bumped off, it would certainly save a lot of bad publicity in the future. But it could also be played as a huge tragedy, young love killed off in the prime of life, uniting Britain and the US in their grief. The kid can be adopted by William and Kate and brought up in the 'proper manner'. My guess is that Harry and Meghan need to check that their driver isn't drunk.

What’s the point of having hordes of high-profile PR specialists in your employ if none of them has enough sense to say: “It will look bad, don’t do it”?

On the other hand, if Meghan acted differently and made an effort to fit in from the beginning, would it make any difference? I recall a somewhat similar discussion about the film “And God created a woman.” Juliette antagonizes the Tardieus from the start, but they were never going to like her anyway, so why bother?

[quote]Juliette antagonizes the Tardieus from the start, but they were never going to like her anyway, so why bother?

Assumption (often erroneous) and rationale for deplorable behaviour.

Not like that, R41. She chooses her husband (keeping him satisfied with sex) over her in-laws (trying to fit in with the expectations for the new bride). But her in-laws were against her from the start, and her personality and upbringing did not provide her with the qualities that would allow her to fit in. On the other hand, her natural qualities were what made her husband obsessed about her and willing to fight (even his own family) for her, so in terms of the survival tactic, maybe she was smart in choosing him (although the film pretty much denies her any intelligence, making it all about animal instincts).

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[quote] I have no PR experience at all but even I know how M could break the internet - divorce.

The constant comparison to the Duke of Windsor is so odious and ignorant. Watch one of the numerous documentaries or read a freaking book. The Duke was a literal Nazi sympathizer and as a former King a threat and insult to the monarchy whenever he stepped on British soil and that was why he was exiled. If they left the fold they wouldn’t face any of the same restrictions or isolations and they would also be able to make a ton of money from media sources much to the chagrin of all of you lovely people.

[quote]But her in-laws were against her from the start,

Assumption.

[quote]On the other hand, her natural qualities were what made her husband obsessed about her and willing to fight (even his own family) for her

Assumption.

[quote]and her personality and upbringing did not provide her with the qualities that would allow her to fit in.

Accurate, based on demonstrated behaviour.

[quote]so in terms of the survival tactic, maybe she was smart in choosing him (although the film pretty much denies her any intelligence, making it all about animal instincts).

Intelligence plays no part in the decisions of either Megs or Ginger, based on demonstrated behaviour. Both are impulsive, seemed like a good idea at the time types.

To assume that Megs is justified in her impulsive, self-promoting behaviour is erroneous.

Wallis was an American divorcee grifter - Meghan is.

But apart from that I've got to agree - comparing the Sussex disaster to the Edward VIII disaster is flawed. Dynastically speaking, the Sussexes are pretty much irrelevant (thank God for that) whereas Edward was the monarch when hell broke loose.

Nevertheless, Duke Dimwit and Duchess Diva of Sussex are severly damaging the BRF's reputation. It's the proverbial gift that keeps on giving - not that anybody with a prescient eye would've accepted THAT particular gift though.

R46, I was talking about the movie that came out in1956. Any resemblance to real people and events is accidental, I am sure.

This will shock nobody

Wallis collaborated during WW2 along with Edward. That was always the real issue. Even in that Byzantine time. It was kept a secret so they didn’t have to jail anyone. The public generally sympathized because they didn’t know the gory details. Comparing the two just proves how whacked out mentally and/or ignorant some posters are.

R47 - Spot on thumbnail analysis.

DL is the beneficiary, the BRF are the losers.

Wait - the Cambridges are also the beneficiaries in a sidways sort of way.

As for that "prescient eye" - I don't doubt there were some trained on this inside the BRF, but they appear to have been as helpless to ward it off as they were 40 years ago when Charles turned to Diana in his desperate search for the correct wife.

But her in-laws were against her from the start,

That is bullshit. The Queen bent over backward to welcome her. Charles was nothing but gallant toward her. William and Kate were alienated by her almost immediately as she set about leaking nasty stories about them and their children through friends like Lainey, and at one point, Harry and Meghan strode into William's and Kate's home in KP and accused them of "not being supportive enough of Meghan".

It wasn't her in-laws' fault that she threw a hissy fit over which tiara the Queen was willing to give her, or that she alienated the Yorks with her maternity coat stunt at Princess Eugenie's wedding, or that she abused her staff so shamefully that her P.A. resigned the moment they got back from that first tour, whilst the Palace sent out praising said P.A.'s abilities and career, virtually confirming the reports.

Meghan Markle's in-laws tried to welcome her and tried to like her. She's brought them absolutely nothing in return except wretched PR, the tarnishing of celebrity, and schism in the family, and made it clear that as far she was concerned, all they were was a stepping-stone to the life she'd always craved but couldn't get on her own merits, and she owed them nothing for welcoming her in.

The Queen could have withheld permission for the marriage, and insisted that they wait a year living together in Britain before seeking permission again.

She didn't.

They let Harry have his way, and if it were only him lying the messy bed he made, no one would care. Unfortunately, his brother and sister in law, their children, and the Queen and Harry's father, also have to lie in it.

Meghan is seeking UK citizenship. If she spends more than 270 days outside the UK, she has to start all over again, so you can forget the "We're relocating to Africa! We're moving to La Ca!" bits.

I imagine the BRF is well aware of that. If they aren't making plans now to get the Sussexes out of the way before she gets that UK citizenship, they deserve everything she's going to do to them until the Cambridges become Prince and Princess of Wales and start exerting more pressure, and their children become teens and also begin sucking more air out of the room.

If the BRF are trusting to time and tide to takye care of this because Harry is dynastically irrelevant, they're fools.

R29 - "I would fucking love to get drunk with Camilla"

Ar-men to that.

But, but the Harry Styles/spazz troll SAID that they were not USING Sunshine Sachs. And every word he types is totes credible, yeah?

Everyone on the early threads who could not understand how she did not do a better job of fitting in - that was never her goal. She wanted to be notorious. No PR is bad PR.

So much for earth mama - left the very young baby to go watch a tennis match? No reason it and one of the nannies could not have joined. Must not be the brand image any more. That poor kid.

How long till she ghosts Harry? It is inevitable.

I don't know why there's so much criticism of Meghan and Harry. They invited the Queen to accompany them to LA this summer. The climate is more healthful than Scotland, that's for sure. They wanted to introduce her to some of the quirks of American culture it's hard to get a grasp of in England. If the Queen declines their generous invitation, well that falls squarely on the Queen and her shit advisers.

Where are they getting the money? There's nothing to indicate Harry has anything other than a small fortune. More than us, not infinite. And Charles' people, fretting about the monarchy and the transparency required relating to Royal finances, must be leery about paying these bills out of his revenue.

You don't actually need all that much cash to do what they are doing. There are plenty of ultra-rich people willing to provide money and perqs to the royal family to curry favor. Have you all not been paying attention for the last thirty years?

I would say that Smeg won’t be attending a State Opening during this current Reign. We won’t see her probably until Charles has the throne, and even then I would suspect it won’t be that frequent that she attends, if at all. Even if she did, how embarrassing for her to attend without the sovereigns personal order pinned to her gown, or the sash of the RVO, or the really good jewels. She’d wear something misshapen and black, ruining the tradition of royal ladies in white, tendrils dangling, and making eye contact with the cameras.

R55 "They invited the Queen to accompany them to LA this summer. ... If the Queen declines their generous invitation, well that falls squarely on the Queen and her shit advisers" ??? Are you an idiot? that's bullshit LOOOOL

Well stated, R52! WW!

Yes, Meghan snubbed the tedious ancient spazzy queen to go to NYC instead. Love the way she's flaunting all their traditions. Balmoral is cold even in August, and Harry has always loathed it.

R58 - You won't ever see Meghan or Harry at one of those State Openingsof Parliament because they're too far down the line of succession, just as Andrew and Sarah never attended as a couple - in fact, I don't think I ever saw Prince Andrew in his younger days at it. Princess Anne attended, along with Charles when she was much younger, and before Charles married, but she is the Sovereign's only daughter, and not her granddaughter or daughter-in-law. Margaret also attended, but she is the Sovereign's only sibling.

When Charles is King, you'll see William and Kate, but not the Sussexes, just as, once Charles married, Diana attended and Anne stopped doing so. I don't think I've seen Anne at the Opening recently. It is Camilla and Charles who sit to the right of the Queen at the opening now.

Christ, R52, you copy and paste the same dreary essay onto every single thread. Just fuck off with your fussy frau fixation on the 'maternity coat' she didn't wear at fat Eugenie's wedding.

R55 - Because, as we all know, the gutter media is privy to personal invitations made by and to the Queen.

That is the most hilarious assertion I've heard yet.

It goes to the head of the class along with the Queen admiring Meghan so much she was going to sit right down and write her an adoring letter, and was going to help her celebrate her birthday in early August up at Balmoral, and was absolutely going to issue Letters Patent making Archie royal, and all the rest of the truly comical pronouncements about what a woman surrounded by protective loyalists, who is notorious for not letting her private feelings or thoughts out eve to her nearest and dearest, is feeling or thinking.

It defies logic, it really does.

[QUOTE] But, but the Harry Styles/spazz troll SAID that they were not USING Sunshine Sachs. And every word he types is totes credible, yeah?

Welp Troll, you are NOT welcome here with your illiterate rantings about a mythical 'spazz' (sic) troll. They have only just employed SS, last week.

Still writing in that elliptical style, slightly EFL, and always with a French interrogative at the end of a sentence.

[QUOTE] Everyone on the early threads who could not understand how she did not do a better job of fitting in - that was never her goal. She wanted to be notorious. No PR is bad PR.

And your relentless obsession with PR continues. 'Even brands of paint have social media managers'! You are five fathoms deep in delusion.

[ QUOTE] So much for earth mama - left the very young baby to go watch a tennis match? No reason it and one of the nannies could not have joined. Must not be the brand image any more. That poor kid.

'It'? This is disgusting and dehumanising, even for you, the ugliest troll on Datalounge. Archie is their SON, not a brand. You are despicable.

[QUOTE] How long till she ghosts Harry? It is inevitable.

You'll be waiting a long time, Welpy. Harry is her holy grail, a prize she never thought she'd win. Why would she relinquish him?

Disney made a big contribution to their not yet operating foundation, I assume that is one source of the $.

R43 - I don't think they can force someone who was born royal (Harry's HRH is his by right of birth, Meghan's is conditional through marriage) to surrender his HRH. He can voluntarily renounce it, of course. But the Queen, that fount of all honour, can strip him of his ducal title, as it is she who gave it to him as a wedding present, which would turn Meghan into Princess Henry of Wales. In order to get rid of all the titles, including the HRH, which would reduce Meghan to Mrs Henry Mountbatten-Windsor. So unless Harry voluntarily declares that he is renouncing his royal status altogether, and his place in the line of succession for him and his descendants, the HRH will stay even if the ducal titles are rescinded.

As the Wicked Witch of the West said, "These things must be done delicately," or measures as harsh as rescinding of titles and surrendering the HRH will blow back onto the BRF and make them look too punitive.

It has to look as if the Sussexes are doing this voluntarily to free themselves to "be ourselves". For that to occur, I imagine a quite handsome financial settlement doled out annually will be on the table, as well as severe restrictions on Meghan, particularly, using her former connection to the BRF to promote herself or any projects she undertakes, and threatening suspension of that annual financial assistance if she slanders, libels, or discusses the BRF in any way once out.

It will be a sticky wicket for the BRF, no question. The best case scenario is that Harry wakes up and wants a divorce, but I really, really doubt that will occur.

R55 is being sarcastic and satirical, you dumb fuckers. The average IQ on this thread is around 95.

[QUOTE] It has to look as if the Sussexes are doing this voluntarily to free themselves to "be ourselves". For that to occur, I imagine a quite handsome financial settlement doled out annually will be on the table, as well as severe restrictions on Meghan, particularly, using her former connection to the BRF to promote herself or any projects she undertakes, and threatening suspension of that annual financial assistance if she slanders, libels, or discusses the BRF in any way once out.

This is absurd. They won't be forced out while Pedrew still squats in his stately home and is the queen's favourite. Harry hadn't been to gloomy Balmoral for years, and, as you keep saying, he's a SPARE, so he doesn't need to follow TQ around. That's William's job.

M and H have done nothing, really. The budget was there for the renovations and her wardrobe. Nobody screams when Harry jets off, leaving Meg with Archie, but suddenly it's the other way round and you think it will precipitate the pair of them being forced to leave the BRF?

The optics of the future monarch's youngest son being disinherited would be worse than anything M and H could do.

You Yanks really don't understand this institution.

[QUOTE] No reason it and one of the nannies could not have joined. Must not be the brand image any more.

NYC is a 7 hr flight from Heathrow, so maybe that's the reason? It would also cost thousands more if a nanny accompanied her (presumably First Class) and more security would be needed.

Alluding to the baby as 'it' is pretty creepy.

[quote]The optics of the future monarch's youngest son being disinherited would be worse than anything M and H could do.

On the contrary, it would be applauded by the UK taxpayer, weary of Megs and Ginger shenanigans, as the Firm finally sorting them out.

Go and vote for your fave troll.

[QUOTE] On the contrary, it would be applauded by the UK taxpayer, weary of Megs and Ginger shenanigans, as the Firm finally sorting them out.

You're mistaken. Harry is still the most popular of the younger generation. 'The UK taxpayer' spends a hell of a lot less times thinking about taxes than you do. If they've been okay with funding adulterous Charles all these years, they will be fine with Diana's son and his wife.

One thing about getting involved with someone who is estranged from their family and childhood friends - it is normal for them and soon they will pressure you to do the same if your family becomes too demanding. They've been independent from their family so they will not understand how it feels for you to ditch yours.

“So much for earth mama - left the very young baby to go watch a tennis match? No reason it and one of the nannies could not have joined. Must not be the brand image any more. That poor kid.”

A great nanny can be better for a child’s well being and development than an indifferent mother. The important thing is for the baby to have someone stable, loving, and attentive taking care of him. Depending on the parents, outsourcing childcare can turn out to be a net positive for the kid.

R74, she has been estranged from him for not even two years, plus she is close to her mother. There is no way on earth she is going to try to persuade Harry to disinherit himself, what would she gain from that?

[quote]Harry is still the most popular of the younger generation.

Subjective. And if indeed accurate, given his current behaviour, don't expect his "popularity" to endure.

[quote]funding adulterous Charles all these years

Charles is being funded largely by the Duchy of Cornwall.

[quote]The UK taxpayer' spends a hell of a lot less times thinking about taxes than you do.

In addition to on-going media coverage of their increasingly outrageous behaviour, the fallout from Brexit may very well change UK taxpayer focus.

[QUOTE] A great nanny can be better for a child’s well being and development than an indifferent mother.

No evidence that M is indifferent.

MM has has a conflicted r/ship with her father for years, she dumped her half siblings, her former close friend, her husband, her live in bf the chef..this is a woman who moves on.

MeMe is likely to change nannies often though, R75. Several have quit already. Many narc parents do not like the kids to get too attached to someone else, cuts down on the supply they provide the parent.

My point was, a nanny and the spawn could easily have accompanied her to NY so she would not be away from it for so long, or even just for the optics.

[QUOTE] Subjective. And if indeed accurate, given his current behaviour, don't expect his "popularity" to endure.

Nope, your beloved Yougov poll has him as second most popular, next to the queen, where he has been for years.

[QUOTE] In addition to on-going media coverage of their increasingly outrageous behaviour, the fallout from Brexit may very well change UK taxpayer focus.

If Brexit causes major inconvenience (very unlikely), Johnson and the Conservatives will be blamed and another party will get in at the next GE. People's minds will not stray to Meghan and start resenting her or any other royal.

So Harry just banged on about how private jets are for the security of his family (remarks by Megs) and a day or 2 later she gets on a commercial flight?

Maybe a testostrone supplement could be helpful? FFS.

[quote]No evidence that M is indifferent.

Impulsively hopping on a plane and flying 7 hours to see a tennis match, leaving a 4 month old baby behind does not illustrate someone with a great deal of caring.

And no one has posed the $64,000 question: Is Megs going to return to England? Or is this another one of her made a mess of it, I'm getting out while I can moves?

[QUOTE] So Harry just banged on about how private jets are for the security of his family (remarks by Megs) and a day or 2 later she gets on a commercial flight?

On her own without Archie, so not as vulnerable.

The Queen could strip the HRH. It would change the fact that he's born royal and is royal, by definition, but they changed the rules about who is titled what all the time... Prince Andrew's children are HRHs, Prince Edward's are not. A hundred years ago every male royal's kid would also have been HRH and a Princess and nobody would have thought a thing about it. It does not change the fact they have 'royal' blood in them. (Which is obviously a concept you have to elect to believe.)

It seriously weakens what little credibility she has that she left her infant to go watch a tennis game.

[QUOTE] Impulsively hopping on a plane and flying 7 hours to see a tennis match, leaving a 4 month old baby behind does not illustrate someone with a great deal of caring.

And yet you are fine with Harry flying solo all over Europe, you sexist twat.

You're all a bunch of misogynist cunts with 1950s values. Harry flies out to XYZ and it's all fine and dandy; Meghan takes one flight to see a friend in her home country and you're all scolding like fishwives and calling her an uncaring mother.

[quote]your beloved Yougov poll has him as second most popular,

Subjective. Just like I said.

[quote]People's minds will not stray to Meghan and start resenting her or any other royal.

Resenting Royal privilege and excess is not unheard of. People resented the Queen for not paying wealth taxes, for example.

Right, R86. Earth mother and all? She could have had the nanny tag along and ignored it as she likely does at home. She held it like a sack of potatoes, no interaction with it or with the Camb kids a few feet away. Chick is mental. Hate kids all you want but the optics are terrible - most adults would just fake it for the short time in public.

R87 Gosh, I forgot. Ginger can breast-feed just as well as Megs.

[QUOTE] The Queen could strip the HRH. It would change the fact that he's born royal and is royal...

Let me get this straight.

Charles cheated on the most popular member of the brf for years and wasn't punished in any way.

Andrew slept with trafficked teens and wasn't punished in any way.

Meghan spends lavishly on a wardrobe, gets her house renovated, has a private christening, and a baby shower and short vacay in NYC, and Harry is stripped of his HRH?

You credulous fools are just a circle jerk of delusion. Pitiful.

I'm British and I don't know one single person who has any time for the Royal Family. People give the Queen a break because she's in her 90's and still doing the job, but the rest of them? No. And the amount of money that they cost is always being discussed. There are better things we can be spending the money on. The press will always dig up die hard royalists but they're getting smaller and smaller in number. As for YouGov polls, you don't really believe that they represent the people, do you? Because they don't. Don't believe a word you read about the popularity of the RF in the UK. It's a load of bull.

[QUOTE] Resenting Royal privilege and excess is not unheard of. People resented the Queen for not paying wealth taxes, for example.

They won't turn round and start resenting the brf more if Brexit goes awry bc the BRF had no part in it. The Tories will get the hate and will be out in the next GE.

"your beloved Yougov poll has him as second most popular,"

Down from the #1 spot last year. Meghan slid from fifth to sixth - she actually came in behind Prince Philip, and her favourability ratings slipped from 52% to 48%. The difference between Harry and William is now just a couple of percentage points. Kate's favourability ratings, on the other hand, are at 64%.

It's not anyone's "beloved" you.gov poll. As pointed out in other comments, those polls are meaningless in a hereditary monarchy and the long goes, and always will, to the Cambridges and their children.

It's the Meghanstans screeching about how the Cambrdiges are terrified of Meghan because of how "popular" she is that force one to remind them that actually - she isn't, not in the UK, and as long as she keeps getting her perks, luxuries, title, and deference through being a member of the BRITISH Royal Family . . . the adoreation of Americans or Chinese or Brazlians doesn't count.

And that's why we bring up the you.gov poll. Harry's ratings slipped. Yes, he slipped into second place, but give it another year of him lecturing the plebs from his pinnacle of status and privilege, with more gaffes like the ones he made this year, and more of that shallow trendy bullshit as his wife adds to her million dollar wardrobe and jet sets around the world with her celebrity pals . . . and I think you're going to see more slippage.

Hillary Clinton Says She is Inspired by Meghan Markle

Had to double check that she had actually said this.

There's too much sunk cost in the brf for it to be abolished. Harry will be the monarch's son soon and will benefit from that. Charles only has two sons and no way is he disinheriting one of them - it would make him even more unpopular.

R96 - Yes, they're both inspired to stick by husbands who put them on the map.

Favour for a friend. As much as I dislike Megantoinette's behaviour I think the clothing line thing is an inventive idea. Still, it's lipstick on a pig.

Hiring an ex-Clinton lackey has already paid off.

[QUOTE] I think you're going to see more slippage.

It would take a lot for H to fall below Charles, and nobody ever spoke about stripping him of his title as he lanquished far down the poll. He has been hated for 20 years now.

Meghan may not wear the very expensive clothes she's caught flack for. She was wearing a $500 dress at the polo. As Archie grows, so will her own popularity.

Anne goes to the State Opening, but not in the role of a Princess of The UK of GB&NI. She goes as a uniformed official, I think she’s called Gold Stick or Silver Stick, something like that. She wears the male version (!) of a colonels uniform instead of the tradition royal ladies version with long skirt. She’s not there to fool around or look glamorous, she’s all business and takes that shit seriously. I think the last time she wore a white gown and tiara was around 1979 or 1980. After that, Diana started going and Anne wasn’t needed. Back in the old days of the 50s or so, the Duchesses of Kent and Gloucester attended, in their capacity as the wives of Royal Dukes and sat with the rest of the Peeresses in the gallery. As mentioned elsewhere, The Duchess of York was never seen at one and I don’t think The Countess of Wessex either.

The clothing line will be available for 2 weeks, so a total gimmick. As most people get paid at the end of the month, it will have come and gone before pay day for those who live on a budget and are paid monthly.

Oh, I thought it was a permanent thing. So it is just a stunt then. Figures.

Yes, and it coincides nicely with London Fashion week for her so there is that.

Such an obvious PR planned plan.

She may or may not have good advisors... it hardly matters... doesn't seem you can tell that woman anything.

she's got a new PR team, gonna break the internet...

not sure if that's been posted.

Hey Meg loon, fyi, always having just a single WW is a blatant sign of incessantly WWing your own posts.

Btw, I'm this thread's OP - and obviously NOT a Megstan. Just for your information, dear contributors in the former BRF thread.

R102 - That is how Anne went in later years, but earlier, you can see her in white gown, tiara, white gloves, etc., at the opening, but well back, in the late 1960s.

You know, whilst she was still a girl.

As it happens, this weekend is the Braemar Gathering up at Balmoral, so Meghan missed quite the photo op by not going. Large family contingent, including even Autumn Phillips, as well as Charles and Camilla - even Dame Judi Dench was there.

I doubt that invitation was ever offered for this particular weekend.

Can anyone provide a source of Meghan and Serena knowing each other pre-Harry?

It's funny to see her stans act as though she was A-List back in the day. I work in Hollywood, never watched Suits, couldn't pick her out of a lineup. She was a working actress on a long-running show, so yes, more successful than most, but she wasn't a NAME.

R111 The most tartan-y BRF-y thing ever. Not really Meghan's scene. Quite the contrast with her in NY.

Autumn Phillips, another girl from a modest background who married in, seems to fit in well.

Serena and Meghan kind of make sense as friends. Both have fathers that did not attend their weddings after pulling a stunt right before the marriage. Both have mothers who are low key, supportive of their daughter and full of grace. Both have fathers who were instrumental and getting them started in life but no longer play a role in their life at the moment.

The BRF, other than Charles, never really welcomed Meghan. They tolerated her probably hoping that the wedding would never happen. I think the Queen acted like a cunt over the tiara and her allowing the that deadbeat bitch Prince Michael to wear that racist brooch at an event Meghan was attended shows her true colors. I wrote earlier that Charles welcomed her but perhaps that is wrong. He planned that wedding that caused everyone to ridicule Meghan thinking she invited that priest and that choir.

I was joking. You dimwits cannot discern the difference between a joke post and an earnest yet vapid conspiracy theory.

That was my point, in addition to the simple enjoyment of making a silly post. I imagine that the gutter press is laughing at you all as well.

The BRF will never touch a hair on Harry's head but Meghan and to a lesser dgree Archie better watch their backs.

[quote] The BRF will never touch a hair on Harry's head

There are not many of them left these days anyway.

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she ALWAYS finds the camera

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She's still fat and bloated in the arse and midriff section.

Where's the Meg loon constantly telling us she'd be super slim again by September? Hahahahahahaha, as if.

By the way, Serena is gassed and failing horribly.

I really love Serena but she does not have the stamina any more. She tried to comeback but needs to admit her body will no longer hold up.

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Serena's serve finds the net the same way her lucky penny finds the camera.

The dress and the ridiculous cape thing make her look even fatter. Her face is still bloated, too.

The pregnancy has sent the Markle fat genes into overdrive - and she didn't even get precious Little Diana in exchange for sacrificing her figure but ended up with a rather useless boy. (Useless when it comes to PR and self promotion.)

Karma is a bitch, eh?

That's why she hates her father... every time she looks in the mirror she sees him.

Karma's not a bitch. It's a total cunt.

The Duchess of Sussex enjoys the tennis during her ecofriendly visit to New York.

New article says Lady Louise is the Queen's favourite grandchild

Serena has lost. Duchess Diva is a great lucky charm indeed.

And again Serena loses with Meghan in attendance. With friends like that ...?

Funny it was reported Serena's coach didn't want Megantoinette there.

Literally every member of the royal family and their friends has been called "the Queen's favorite" by some rag at one point or another.

R127 And pursing her lips in that way so many actresses now do.

Serena lost? Oh, shit. Meghan wanted that iconic photo of herself and Serena, CHAMPION to CHAMPION.

Oh well. It was a fun trip.

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Are they "hitting the ground running?" That's what they told us.

what does that clip have to do with your lost R139. I want to know about the altercation!

I know everyone is predicting Malibu for Harry and Meghan, but I think they might prefer Santa Monica.

R141 From the article:

“Prince Andrew flew into such a furious rage at a senior Palace aide that Prince Charles had to ask him to apologise, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

A source close to the Duke of York – who is under intense scrutiny over his links to paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein – last night confirmed the outburst, admitting that Andrew had ‘got very cross’.

However, the friend rejected a suggestion from a well-placed royal insider that the Duke had physically assaulted the highly-respected aide, adding: ‘There were heated words on both sides but the altercation was in no way physical.”

Hm. Sounds like Andrew lost his shit and physically attacked an employee.

It had to be serious if the courtier spoke back heatedly. That just doesn't happen.

Andrew's collapse is complete.

Gorgeous headline: Prince Andrew in raging bust-up with top royal aide

"A source close to the Duke of York – who is under intense scrutiny over his links to paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein – last night confirmed the outburst, admitting that Andrew had ‘got very cross’."

There's a black eye in the bag for Fergie.

Hope she got at least a thousand pounds for it.

Fergie will bag herself her (tarnished) Andy once again. She won’t be forced to testify against her lawfully wedded husband.

“‘It was a verbal dispute. It was a work-related issue. The Duke got very cross that what he wanted wasn’t possible.’..

“Prince Charles subsequently heard of the row and asked his brother to say sorry. The source added: ‘The Duke explained the situation to the Prince of Wales and left it at that. There was no apology because there was nothing to apologise for..’..

“This is not the first time the Duke has faced claims of being boorish and rude to staff.

“In 2016, he reportedly rammed his Range Rover through closed park gates close to his Royal Lodge home in Windsor to avoid a one-mile detour. At the time, a park worker said he ‘has a bit of a reputation for roaring around like Toad of Toad Hall and he seems to think he can do what he likes’.

“Six years ago, he was alleged to have raged at armed royal protection officers at Buckingham Palace who mistook him for an intruder and asked for identification.”

What an asshole.

Andrew's spiralling further out of control. The Epstein issue won't be going away anytime soon.

Not surprised Andrew detests Meghan...they are exactly alike. She’s a cunt to the little people too.

"When news first broke, back in October 2016, that Prince Harry was reportedly dating an American actress named Meghan Markle, the hunt for intel on the (at the time) relatively under-the-radar Suits star began. Meghan had been a lead on the USA series for several seasons, and also had her own lifestyle blog, The Tig, but she was not (unless you were a rabid Suits fan) a household name or tabloid fixture or anything of the sort."

from the Maul: "Prince Harry and Meghan's absence from the trip has left Her Majesty 'hurt and disappointed,' the Mail on Sunday understands, at a time when she likes to bring her friends and family together at her favourite time of the year.

The Queen is already said to be 'baffled' by Meghan and Harry's inability to steer clear of PR calamities, and is concerned that her beloved grandson and his new wife are failing to listen to their team of advisers."

I think the reason they didn’t go to Balmoral is very simple.....Markle knows that none of them can stand her & she refused to go.

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The Queen is baffled because Meghan is probably the first person not to give a damn about what she wants or about the intitution of the monarchy. She is about herself and her brand. In some way she is not very different from the BRF who is all about their brand. Meghan is a my way or the highway kind of gal. When the BRF especially the Queen kept shading her instead of making her get in line they inspired her to go in the opposite direction. They are never going to be one happy family that ship has sailed. And Meghan is never going to get in line. Honestly the safest thing to do is the give them an allowance and send them to the U.S. They will do less damage away from the English people.

[quote]I think the reason they didn’t go to Balmoral is very simple.....Markle knows that none of them can stand her & she refused to go.

Regarding Markel, R152 just about nailed it. That's the primary reason. Markle thought she wanted a royal life with all the advantages and none of the disadvantages. But Markle doesn't seem to want even the initial novelty of any of it. You know, maybe try it once and move on. No, she wants nothing to do with any of it other than her own house, FrogCott.

However, I think another reason that the entire royal family is tired of Balmoral is that the queen's children are now all middle-aged to senior citizens themselves. They have been doing the Balmoral thing for most of their lives now. They're tired of it even though Balmoral looks like a well-maintained, beautiful castle. They just want to stay in their own homes, vacation when and where they want. While of course, the queen seems to love it there, but she's 93, and she's of a different generation when a little royal mystique at their private residence was the norm.

But nowadays, if the younger generation isn't into Balmoral. Or maybe they might like Balmoral, but they don't want to all hang out with each other hunting and playing charades in the evening. Having to go there every summer for a week or so becomes a hassle, gets old and not terribly exciting. And now there are kids and grandkids, and it means packing up and leaving your comfortable home to hang out with Granny. None of us want to do that stuff either--and we don't get to do it at Balmoral.

I'm sure the royal family visits Balmoral out of respect for the queen, and they know it's expected. And they love their Granny. But then along comes MeMe, who doesn't give a shit about any of them. She knows they hate her, and she says, "Frig this, I'm not going. They don't like me. I don't like them. Maybe we'll see you at Christmas. Maybe at the Ascot next summer. Other than that, I'm out." And Duke Dimwit follows. Will and Kate still go because they have to and their roles are different and frankly, more important than the Sussex douchebags.

Meghan gurl, the time table to kill you is speeding up.

Diana and Sarah--no matter how disruptive people thought they were--they respected the monarchy, and they genuinely liked the queen. They viewed their roles as jobs, and it was their duty. And Diana and Sarah actually breathed life into the royal family and made it more relevant. But even they are now of a different generation. And now we have Markle, who doesn't view any of it as a duty. Diana and Sarah supported their husbands and/or supported the monarchy. Markle is different. Markle says no, and Harry sides with his wife, which is fine, but you cannot disrespect the family and the institution which is what Markle is doing. Markle has no regard or allegiance to the monarchy, the queen, traditions and protocol.

When the queen passes, the royal family will be very disjointed. Charles doesn't seem to carry any clout over Harry. Charles' big focus was streamlining the monarchy and making his immediate family the most important and most visible. Charles was not counting on having his second son marry someone who doesn't care about any of it and wants nothing to do with it. Charles may want to give that "streamlining thing" a second look and keep Beatrice and Eugenie close by. At least they seem to inherently know what to do and how to respect the royal institution. And Beatrice and Eugenie seem willing and able to step in and do their duty. Because as this situation continues, it's only going to get worse. Markle wants none of it unless it elevates her.

Oh, but she does want parts of it, r157. She wants the money and exposure.

Diana and Fergie were/are British. They also grew up around the BRF. Diana was from a family of titled aristocracy. They had reasons to support the institution. Meghan basically came from a lower middle class/working family. She is not invested in the United Kingdom, Briitsh society or the BRF beyong Harry. I think she truly meant to her "duty" but also planned to enjoy the fruits of marrying a Prince. I think eventually the British press which came after her immediately once the the Harkles was official wore her down and she said fuck it. Either way it is very obvious she is over all that but plan for the time being to keep her husband. I believe she is planning for inevtiable day of divorce which is why she did not want her son to have a title. Probably makes it easier to have physical custody in America,

I don't like or respect MM; I see her for exactly what she is. But I do see her point of view. At this point, she can't do right for doing wrong. Knowing she is going to be vilified and ridiculed no matter what she does, I can see why she shies away from needless exposure and doesn't do things that she knows won't be rewarding. I think the inevitable comparison to Kate's appearance must especially rankle.

The BRF can never give the Sussexes enough money to fund the lifestyle they want in Hollywood. They aren’t even giving them enough money to fund the lifestyle Meghan desires in England, hence all the hustling. That means if they indeed defect or are banished to the US, they’ll continue the hustle, like Fergie, who ended up millions in debt. Although Meghan thinks herself much smarter than Fergie, which means her hustle will be on totally another scale, and potentially much more damaging to the BRF.

Being rude and getting abusive towards your staff is just disgraceful.

I'm talking to you, Mr Duke of York and Mrs Duchess of Sussex.

R160 “I can see why she shies away from needless exposure....“

Oh, my sides.

R159 “...she did not want her son to have a title...”

Again. My sides! The child has a father, so he’s *their* son. And she doesn’t choose his title. The Queen does.

Here's the 60 Minutes segment.

Ok, I watched r164's entire clip. I'm very conflcted. I found myself liking Meghan,.

BTW, I never sign my posts. That was an accident Please don't try to follow me.

Her PR is effective if you think she and Harry turned down an invitation to Balmoral. They've been begging via the press all summer long for an invite. They didn't get one so she had to spin it like it was her choice. The Queen wouldn't give their kid a title, couldn't be bothered to go to Archie's christening and was not going to invite them to her summer sanctuary. Inviting Meghan would do the BRF no favors and they already have enough on their hands cleaning up after Andrew.

I think the Palace has washed their hands of them given that they've really stepped aside to let the press go after Meghan. They may try to salvage Harry, but otherwise it looks like they're letting this thing play out this year and hoping they go away. I bet they don't even do the Christmas walk this year.

[QUOTE] they genuinely liked The Queen

to this day, Sarah is delighted when she gets one of her irregular invitations to Balmoral or Sandringham, and wastes no time making her joy public via her social medias. That’s the kind of thing HM wants though, grateful family who are delighted in spending simple quality time in the country.

R139 - And if he gets rid of his obtuse younger son and the bad penny he brought into the family at the same time, the BRF might actually get a decade or so of peace, good will, and stability till William takes over.

I'm not particularly sportif, and have no particular animus toward Serena Williams, but from my admittedly limited expertise, it looks to me as if the power and muscle and sheer size, which gave her an edge when she was also young and fast, are now slowing her down against younger, lighter, faster players. Now, she's big and heavy but is heading toward 40, and I don't think it's doing her game any favours. These kinds of sports take a huge toll on the body in a relatively short time, which is why, like ballet dancers, the career starts early and ends early. It's always hard watching athletes, like classical dancers, start to lose what made took them to top .

That said, I admit to a bit of schadenfreude watching Meghan yet again managing, almost as if she has a gift for it, to end up presenting an image of wannabe loser rather than a Sistahs' Triumphal Photo Op.

I agree, the Braemar Highland Games would have made Meghan stick out like a sore thumb. I doubt very much they were even invted for this weekend, and that entire story was made up out of whole cloth.

They may yet show up, of course, on a nice quiet weekend when no one else is about.

R169, your comment was a pleasure to read. I agree.

And “I'm not particularly sportif...”? I’m stealing that.

[quote]I don't like or respect MM; I see her for exactly what she is. But I do see her point of view. At this point, she can't do right for doing wrong

But she can. If she'd learn the role, dial back the ostentation, and accept the world into which she married, she could be back in the good graces in six months. But she doesn't understand any of it, just like she doesn't understand anything else, except the superficial.

R170 - Ta!

It's funny, when Meghan married in, I figured she'd become more Windsor than the Windsors. I thought we'd be making fun of her mucking about in tweeds, Wellies and a kerchief, shooting grouse whilst affecting a posh accent. Hell, if I hit that sort of jackpot, that's what I'd do – from day one I'd be like, Balmoral here I come! I mean, the incredible privilege to be part of history like that.

Now that the summer visiting season is over at Balmoral, does the queen move to that smaller house on the estate? I think they mentioned it on The Crown.

Bless the Queen for her rigorous work ethic. I would stay drunk all day and have endless Massage Whore Sessions. So many.

Boy, Meghan certainly had the most excellent seat at the match. Smack in the middle of Serena's mother, husband, sister and COACH. All people who most likely wanted to focus intently on the play, not make chitchat with a last-minute VIP. They should have tucked Meg away back with Anna Wintour.

You have to wonder... were her feelings for Harry... love, fondness, whatever... but were they ever deep enough to have done this crazy thing? Can she live with him for the long term or does it turn to contempt, where's he's one more hard truth she confronts every day before she finds something else to do that will delight the Mail and alienate the nation.

She doesn't want this (royal) life, that much is obvious. Why she did it to begin with we probably will never really know. As a child, she probably got plunked in front of the DVD with the Princess Bride one too many times. She thought Julie Andrews was the Queen. (She might have... she seemed to express wonder and amazement at the very existence of the Commonwealth... which suggests her Googling wasn't very thorough.)

I believe ignorance of the facts is at the root of her problems. She didn't truly understand how little money and glamour there actually is. She didn't understand the constraints. She didn't understand the obligations. Or she did and it's a slow motion smash and grab, which makes her chillingly empty rather than just so hopelessly shallow (which I believe she is... the odious Jan Moir coined it: fridge magnet philosophy. With a low fat, organic soy, hand curated flax seed chai latte double expresso smoothie- no ice. And add some Vitamin D because there's not enough sun in this swamp.)

In any event she's kinda fucked as an actress. She's older and she's fat. Her hip shape has changed... you could serve four for dinner across her middle. Happens to some women. But I doubt a return to acting was her plan.

R175 - Anna took one look at those clothes and moved seats.

R174, that's usually at the start of the season. When she arrives Balmoral is still open to tourists so she stays at a place that I think is called Craigowan Lodge. Smaller, as always in that world is relative...as I recall... seven bedrooms.

Yup, Craigowan... see link.

R177 I'm sure she was madly in love with Harry. Of course, 95 percent of that was who he was - Diana's son, regarded as probably the most eligible bachelor on the planet. It must have been dizzyingly exciting for her when she realized, "Oh my god, I actually have a shot at this. I can be a PRINCESS!"

Thanks r179

R177, have you seen The Princess Bride? The whole point of it is that she doesn't want to, and (spoiler alert) doesn't, marry the Prince. She marries for True Love.

Years ago, i watched a documentary about Big Brother and how contestants get the "talk of doom". Basically, they are told that being on tv for a summer will probably not make them stars and may bring them notoriety of the wrong kind if they get seen as bullies for example. The producers said that even though they were told repeatedly of the bad side of what may happen, they all were still confident they would become the next big thing.

This is how I see MM entering the royal family. All the advice about service, duty and discretion going in one ear and out the other while she thought jewels,galas, celebrity..Diana 2.0!!!

Agree r184. Meghan (and Harry) think they are the smartest people in the room and disregarded any wise advice they received.

R179, thanks. My favorite is Llwynywermod. So simple and charming. I’d spend a few nights at some of the more grand ones, too, though.

R173, me too! I’m hopelessly American, and they’d probably laugh at my ignorance. But I think willingness to learn and being a good sport wouldn’t be unwelcome. There’s no way to know it all unless you were born to it, so why pretend?

What's the problem with your sides, R163?

I stand by what I wrote.

R177, I reckon her feelings for Harry had mostly to do with money, prestige, jewels, clothes and luxury holidays. According to someone on the Oz 60 minutes Harry's greatest wish was to be a safari guide, lol.

The 60 Minutes segment reminded me of the good part about Diana--all those public encounters with the sick, poor and downtrodden, which were heartfelt and authentic.

[quote] it looks to me as if the power and muscle and sheer size, which gave her an edge when she was also young and fast, are now slowing her down against younger, lighter, faster players

R169, I'm a gal with chunky, comparatively muscular thighs. That's why I NEVER wear short dresses as I think chunky legs in short dresses look downright horrible and there's no need to force them on someone. The ONLY good thing about having chunkier thighs with lots of muscles within them is that you can get LOTS of power out of them. They're great when you play sports where you need to speed up and need power quickly very often, like soccer and tennis. I used to play tennis and did track and field athletics when I was younger and these buff chunk legs were a real asset.

I highly doubt the Queen invited the Sussex Shit Stirrers to Balmoral at all.

[quote]where's he's one more hard truth she confronts every day before she finds something else to do that will delight the Mail and alienate the nation.

Megs go-to behaviour when confronted with far too much reality, far too many consequences of her empty-headed actions and decisions, is to find what she perceives is a better deal and then cut and move on. I wouldn't be surprised if she's already haunting media websites searching for that something better. I don't expect her to stick around much past next summer.

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Louise looks like a nice blend of her mother, her father and Her Majesty.

Thank God they've started to fix her teeth. She's looking much improved.

[quote][R177], have you seen The Princess Bride? The whole point of it is that she doesn't want to, and (spoiler alert) doesn't, marry the Prince. She marries for True Love.

Proudly, I have not. Sorry for the imprecision, but you follow in any event. Meagain's understanding of monarchy is a cross between Monaco, Vanity Fair and Dynasty.

Getting her leg up.

[quote] Her PR is effective if you think she and Harry turned down an invitation to Balmoral.

Oh, don’t be ridiculous.

HM has hosted all sorts of people she probably isn’t fond of at Balmoral. You are so lost in your invented narrative you truly believe she’d reject her own grandson and great grandson.

Grow up.

The hug isn't important when the camera is around.

I never noticed before how bad MM's skin is.

In fairness, I bet it’s not as easy as it looks to ignore the cameras when they’re all around you. Even a split second glance can be captured. Kate has mastered the art of rarely looking at the camera. It probably takes practice. I’m serious.

Lol, she was an actress. Actors are not supposed to look at camera.

re R199's pic: Granted, her legs are still slim - but the pregnancy made her fat and bloated in her arse and in her midriff section. Her desperate attempts at hiding the, ahem, widened hips (lol) by wearing these loose (and horrible) frocks don't help, it's obvious that the Markle fat genes have kicked in due to the pregnancy. She might never get rid of that baby fat, so she might as well get up the duff again pronto, thus trying to get Little Diana - a wish that was denied when she conceived what later turned out to be Archie.

Plus, her hair seems to suffer a lot from gradually losing the pregnancy hormones which usually boost the growth and glow of one's hair. Or it's just her hairstyle routine that deteriorate her hair, their look respectively.

I give her credit, for somebody who faked a pregnancy, she's sure leaning in.

Quite the style she had

R202 -I noticed her bad skin too - moles, blemishes, freckles etc...

In R207's photo, you can clearly see how she managed to snatch Hapless Harry: By playing (and being) an permanently willing sex kitten.

That Markle nose is more pronounced than I can remember. She should ask for her money back.

Holy shit, her nose starts to look like Michael Jackson's.

At the US Open.

Her belly sticks out as far as her bosom. And that’s presumably with Spanx or some such.

She is fucking fett.

Meghan declining an invitation to Balmoral makes her look worse than never receiving one. People are only interested in her because of the BRF. She is only beneficial to her celeb "friends" as a royal. They're fading away as they realize she's not their "in" with the BRF.

No invitation was ever extended. But now that she has spun it as declining an invitation, the BRF is spinning it as the "poor, elderly Queen just wants to see her beloved great-grandson". Lol.

I think she's done much better in the Don't Look at the Camera front lately. Around the time ofthe wedding, it was constant.

Agree that her skin looks hideous. Nevermind the freckles and moles, she can't help that, and they are pretty normal. Her face looks completely congested, bumpy and horrible. Seriously, she can't get a hydra facial?

Don't you ever get bored of this OP?

The uneven skin tone looks like the “mask of pregnancy”. It should fade with time.

r193, That makes me feel really sad for Beatrice and Eugenie. Andy is a twat for bringing his seedy mate around his daughters, now they have more crap to cope with if they are getting dragged in.

r195, Nice pic of Louise. She seems a decent girl that won't end up coke addled in night clubs. I could see her happily living on a farm breeding rare sheep or something in years to come.

[R205] Meghan's hair looks in need of hair dye, the color looks uneven. The hairloss can be caused by pregnancy or alopecia from decades of straightening and pulling. Tight braids can even cause childhood alopecia, which is hard to treat if the root was pulled out.

You can also see grey and silver coming through, which is normal for her age. Women with brown and black hair start seeing greys a decade before blonde, dirty blond and redheads. Although even at age 40 notamy women have naturally blonde hair, it gets a lot darker with age. Ok, that's all I got on Meghan. I do hope she finds happiness no matter how/what.

Pre-pregnancy closeup of her skin

By the looks of it, neither one of them has ever met a sunscreen they didn’t despise.

I won’t even comment on her appearance. She can’t help most of it.

There’s a lot to say about her behavior, but everyone has said it already.

I don’t know a single woman who’d leave her 4-month old on another continent for a sporting event. Especially their first baby. Yes, I KNOW that he has a father who might be capable of caring for him (as if he’s not drinking his face off with his buddies as we speak). And certainly a battery of nannies. That’s not the point.

That’s callous.

She can’t be nursing any longer.

Several people online thought she looked high during the match, it was also noted that she was doing her odd smiling and appearing to talk to herself thing. I only saw 1 or 2 stills, what think thee, DL?

Agree that any pretense of devoted motherhood or concern for her carbon footprint is entirely blown. If it truly was planned suddenly, is she manic? Or, was she there beforehand? Has anything come out on sm about seeing her on a flight? If not, I might suspect private plane + pr spin?

Any sightings of H this weekend?

[quote] it was also noted that she was doing her odd smiling and appearing to talk to herself thing.

In fairness, there are so few people who will talk to her. And she doesn't strike me as much of a listener anyway.

Newest Maul headline: Duchess of Sussex is crowned Britain's top social climber by society magazine Tatler as editors rule she has reached 'the pinnacle of the greasy pole'

R238 Meghan appears to be the sort of person who pretends to listen to you talk, all the while she's plotting what to say in order to kiss up to you/ show off to you/ make you feel like she's better than you.

Actually, she does it when no one is appearing to interact with her whatsoever, R230. Jolie does the same thing.

Bless Lady Louise’s heart

R232, people always predict she will be a great beauty.

I suppose it’s possible.

[quote] As Archie grows, so will her own popularity.

As long as he's hidden away, no it won't.

[quote] No invitation was ever extended,

Ffs. This is the kind of arrogant shit that has turned a great series of threads into SkippyLite.

You have no fucking idea whether an invitation was extended or not. None.

Why must you people make these declarations? And they are always imbecilic. Harry - whoever he is married to - is a close member of HM’s family. She’s just had Boris Johnson there, you moron - but she’d have a shit fit over Markle?

At least have the humility to admit you don’t know.

You really are a bunch of annoying, clueless prats. There are plenty of forums for fat, menopausal old hags - why do you have to thrust yourself into this one?

Either have a grounded conversation or fuck off. Seriously.

R233, anything is possible. But some things are more unlikely than others. LL will look like her Auntie Anne, but will skip Anne's younger pretty phase.

Invited or not invited, it doesn't change much.

It's just fascinating to see how much has changed in one year. Pre-wedding Meghan was swearing she would be the perfect British Duchess, wanting to know all about UK History and full of respect for the Queen.

Today, she's not hiding anymore. She has no interest for UK or the Commonwealth, it was always about worldwide fame, A-list friends and Instagram wokeness.

It's her triomph, whatever if some people in UK despise her or the Queen is angry, she has what she always wanted.

Once again, for the record, I despise MM and wish she were gone.

But I do not think she is guilty of he sinister plot to exploit the BRF and the British taxpayer that is so prevalent here and elsewhere. I think she meant to do a decent job, but on her own terms, which she considered to be entirely reasonable. She would jet around the world doing her philanthropy, do a number of official events, and the rest of the time, live as rich royalty. And that included support and praise. She did not understand that being a senior member of the BRF is a lifestyle which includes much of your private life. Anything that deviates from the protocol must be well hidden. Pretty much like joining the clergy or a Mafia family. And when the adulation was not forthcoming and indeed there was a relentless onslaught of criticism, and when she felt the demands of the role were unreasonable, she just had no more fucks left.

Either they were invited and declined to come (citing Archie’s age as an excuse which was stupid as it was pointed out they took him twice already on a longer distance flights), or they were never invited, or they were invited but not when it suited their demented PR. Either way, I don’t think anybody can argue it played out great for them in the media: it made them look disrespectful toward the Queen, the last-minute trip to NYC made Meghan look unstable, got her branded as a ‘bad luck charm,’ reinforced everything that had already been said about the carbon footprint, about the jetsetting celebrity-wannabe aspirations, etc.

I don't know what Harry sold her before the wedding but it's clear she never wanted to be 100% part of the BRF. She never wanted to devote herself to British people the way Anne or Sophie do.

I don't think Kate wants to devote herself to UK but at least she keeps a low-profile between her few charity work.

Meghan doesn't care about bad press in the UK, she doesn't care about the UK. She cares about being seen with Serena Williams, she cares about People mag, Vogue and Good Morning America.

You can despise her all you want, in her head you're just racist, mean and jealous.

It was a mistake to let Harry marry her, but for her it's a 100% win. She will ghost Harry and the BRF to live in New York, being a jet set socialite and marry some High-tech not too bad looking billionaire with political ambition.

It doesn’t look like she doesn’t care. It looks like she’s throwing the ‘I’ll do whatever the fuck I want’ hissy fit, which is surprising for such an allegedly intelligent woman.

It doesn’t look like she doesn’t care. It looks like she’s throwing the ‘I’ll do whatever the fuck I want’ hissy fit, which is surprising for such an allegedly intelligent woman.

[quote]being a jet set socialite and marry some High-tech not too bad looking billionaire with political ambition.

After seeing Megs in action, no one would be stupid enough to want a go at a middle-aged grifter and attention whore.

R242 She greatly overestimates her own brains, and people do to.

It was a power move, she told the BRF she can do whatever she wants and they can stick Balmorale and the Scottish games high in their ass.

R243 That's your opinion.

I think she can do it, men are stupid and some people will see an American Woke Duchess as a prize.

Meghan looked coked up at the tennis. All extravagant hand gestures and chattering away to herself. She was seated to Serena Williams mother, who completely ignored her.

R245 is the retarded but amusing Danja Zone troll. Danja is always saying that Meghan and Harry are on drugs, esp if they appear animated. This poster was also upthread talking about Meghan being fake pregnant.

[quote]I think she can do it, men are stupid and some people will see an American Woke Duchess as a prize.

She won't be a Duchess. The BRF will make sure she leaves as she came. With no style.

I think MM's pay-out depends on how much she knows and how much they will pay to keep her from publishing. I'm sure Harry is fucked off enough to have told her plenty.

If the Oz 60 Minutes program is anything to go by, Andrew Morton is already salivating at the thought of penning yet another exclusive tell-all book. Thus his obsequious support of Megs.

I'm with R220 and R221. I like the York daughters, and Lady Louise. I'm not immune to the racial accusations.

[quote]I don't think Kate wants to devote herself to UK but at least she keeps a low-profile between her few charity work.

I'm curious about why you think that. Basis, please?

[quote]Meghan looked coked up at the tennis. All extravagant hand gestures and chattering away to herself.

So alternate theory: that's anxiety and lack of self-confidence, manifesting as energy. There's no way that creature doesn't read all her press. She knows what people think of her, she knows the headlines and she has balls enough to do as she pleases but not balls enough to be indifferent to the result. She wants her gluten free, low carb cake and to eat it, too.

R251

I'm curious about why you think that. Basis, please?

We can't say she's very hardworking, she could increase her number of engagements and we rarely hear about her or William outside those engagements.

Yes, true, the tennis trip was ridiculous.

It's generally accepted there is an agreement the Cambridges do less while their family is young. I read there is, for an example, an agreement that one of them will be able to pick George and now Charlotte up from school each day. You can see a gradual uptick in engagements over time as their children have aged. Kate was on maternity leave last year with the third child. So it can't be both ways... you can't say, for example, the Queen's children suffered for her busy schedule and lack of attention during the 1950s and 60s and then nail the Cambridges for doing in differently in the 2000s.

To the best of my knowledge, Kate has never flown across the Atlantic to watch sport, leaving a four month old baby at home.

And compared to Megan, Kate's private jet usage is pathetic.

R254 I don't say Kate has to be the new Anne or full time working.

2 engagements every week all year long except during the kids holidays, seem balanced.

Well, I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that. Have you written?

She did fifty isn 2018, when on maternity leave from March to October.

Building the foundation of family is exactly the right way for Kate to spend her time now. Nothing more important. She'll have plenty of time for endless ribbon-cutting and do-gooding in the decades to come.

Kate being outside the house 2 afternoons/week is not threatening her family's foundation.

I think she should fly overseas to watch more tennis. She's smothering those kids.

She is, R260.

Isn't that more or less her schedule during the regular season, R260?

Kate's problem is that she can disappear during weeks then make 4 engagements in a week.

I think she needs a more regular agenda so people don't ask "but what is Kate doing?"

She's done 83 since the start of the year.

R265 No, I just count, there's 51 engagements since the beginning of the year.

At any rate, I look forward to the start of the fall season. I want to see all of them out and about, in their outfits.

Yes, you're right there, R266. I mistakenly entered January 2018.

R238 - I'll split the difference with you on this one. All right, calling it a "sinister plot" is perhaps a tad over-egging the pudding. But she's no innocent, she has a long history of using people, and just because she didn't stay up night's in a dungeon mutterint incantations over a cauldron, doesn't mean she didn't calculate what they could do for her and ignore everything she was told or advised in pursuit of what she really wanted, but needed them to obtain.

A good illustration of her determination to ignore the handwriting on the wall was her refusal to wear British made fashion most of the time. She didn't need to wear it all the time (Kate doesn't), but most of her really expensive numbers are made by foreign luxury design label houses. The maternity coat stunt at Eugenie's wedding, Tiaragate . . . I won't lay it all out again.

No one who is really invested long-term behaves this way. So she's either incredibly stupid or she just doesn't give a fuck.

And either way, the sum at the bottom of the column for the BRF is still the same: nought.

If the Queen and/or Charles wanted Kate to do more engagements, she would. She is nothing if not a team player. William and Kate's staff coordinate all of their engagements with the staff of the other royals (unlike the you-know-whos). They cannot do too many engagements or they will be seen to be usurping Charles' position. Anne can do a million engagements a year and it barely gets any press. Kate goes to Tesco and it's front page news featuring eye-witness accounts of what she was wearing. Plus, in my view, Kate has wisely crafted her role as a supporting player to William. She never does anything which purposely outshines him.

Soon enough they will move up a spot and have a much fuller calendar. Until then, it seems like everyone is happy with Kate's schedule. The real question will be who will pick up the slack for the Sussexes? It seemed like they were grooming Eugenie to assume a more permanent role. Has she now been tarnished with everything that has come out about Andrew?

People say if Charles and the Queen wanted Kate to do more she would do more but if the Sussex and Andrew proved something it's that Charly and Betty control close to nothing.

Kate is a team player, I agree but no one in this family fear Chuck or Granny Pudding otherwise Meghan would not have made half the stunts she did.

Everyone in that family respects and defers to the Queen except Meagain, who understands nothing, and latterly Dim, who is plainly pussy whipped and so dumb and emotionally damaged he can't see his awful wife for what she is.

In due course Charles will get the same deference as the Queen. They respect the crown and by extension the person wearing it. If you don't understand that you understand nothing.

Meghan has "won" in that she has fame beyond her wildest dreams. If they get divorced, she'll probably always find a way to be in the tabloids. But it will be interesting to see if she is able to retain any of her celebrity friends. If you think about it, most of them are has-beens or on their way to being has-beens. Maybe she'll be able to snag a billionaire husband which will guarantee her some permanent hanger-ons.

Except she's aging and kinda fat and her reputation isn't great. Frankly, billionaires looking for trophy wives are aiming higher than her.

Charles will have to win the same level of deference as the Queen, R272, and it'll be a long stretch.

Certainly the court will observe the same protocols no matter who wears the Crown, if that's all you mean, but the Queen is deeply respected as an individual for her many years of dutiful service and the wisdom she has acquired during them. I'm quite sure that is true inside the household as much as outside.

As gross as Andrew is, I don't think he purposely behaves in a way that he believes would harm his mother. The Epstein stuff went on behind closed doors. Andrew probably never thought it would come out in public. He's a fuck-up, but he otherwise seems protective of his mother.

Meghan doesn't care about anyone.

If Andrew respected his mother and her legacy, he would retire.

As long as they observe the protocols there will be no meaningful difference between Charles and the Queen. And they will observe the protocols, or they'll be out of a job - jointly and severally.

I would have agreed with you in the past, r274, but after Bezos left his wife for that cat-faced creature it goes to show that there is always another sucker around the corner. You're probably right, though. She'll probably be like Jolie - unable to hook another victim and making sad, obvious pap strolls.

R270 - spot on. I think the Queen knew from her own experience of stepping up quickly whilst still with very young children at home that these early years of their childrens' lives are more important to Kate and William, especially Kate, than a specific number of engagements. The necessity of being more front and centre won't be far away for long, given the Queen's age.

Kate know what she's there for, and it's not to match Anne's record of official engagements. And she didn't have to "craft" her role as a supporting player to William, it was always going to be that, as he's the real royal in the line of succession, not her. The inability to balance that equation properly was one of the problems in the the Wales marriage, and it's also becoming a problem in the Sussex marriage: Meghan is dragging Harry along in her Woke Wake. The nonroyla married-in wife may be in practical terms an equal partner in the work for the BRF, but she isn't an equal partner in the hereditary scheme of things, and whilst the royal husband isn't disposable, she is. Witness Diana and Fergie.

Kate has handled herself perfectly, with a sharp awarness of where she stands now and will in the future. Small wonder the Queen prefers her and shows her decided favour.

Meghan, on the other hand, has handled herself abysmally, with little to no awareness of where she stands now as the mostly irrelevant wife of the sixth in line, and will stand in the future (increasingly irrelevant as the Cambrdiges become increasingly ore relevant), and making all the mistakes Diana made. Only Meghan isn't even Diana, who came in as Princess of Wales and blew the media away with her photogenic aura and charisma.

Kate is the realist here, Meghan the fantasist. And whilst the fantasists are certainly more fun to gossip about, it's the realists who win the long game.

Realism is somewhat boring - but it's also a first-rate survival tool.

Re picking up the slack for the Sussexes, forgot to add that they've been trotting out Peter & Autumn Phillips quite a bit lately. Not officially, of course. They seem like they would be a good choice. She looked excellent at the Braemer games.

I agree with the poster upthread who wondered about Pss. Eugenie being gently brought forward as a potential working senior royal, and if her father's reckless and morally questionable behaviour has put paid to that, at least for awhile. She seems a quite nice gel, and even when badly dressed, rather pretty and appealing, and it's a shame her father's apparently very low inhibition threshold has again marred his daughters' lives. Especially with the Sussexes losing popularity so quickly (and btw, it is reported that the Cambridge's IG account has hit 10 million followers, a record I believe, and higher than the Sussexes, for all their aphoristic cupcaktes), and so clearly focused on an American and global rather than UK audience, some fresh blood might be neecded in the UK ranks.

And, of course, should the increasingly not quite unthinkable occur - i.e., Harry and Meghan ditching it all for America - the York sisters might finally have an opportunity to get onto the royal gravy train.

I wonder if, in order to call off the dogs somewhat, Andrew will consider removing himself from the lind of succession, which he can do whilst retaining his HRH. This would bump Bea and Eugenie from 8th and 9th place into 7th and 8th place, nipping, so to speak, at the heels of the Sussexes.

Andrew has to be seen to pay some price for his support of Epstein and long relationship with someone Andrew had to know was a pathological sexual predator. He can't be deprived of his HRH, he was born with it, and he isn't going to go into the poor house. But waiving his place in the line of succession would go some way toward exhibiting public contrition and owing something to the monarchy AND make way for his daughters to move forward, without sacrificing his royal lifestyle. He has a large trust fund of his own.

What think we?

At this point, patronages are asking Andrew to stay away. Is the Queen hoping this will all blow over or that other stories will overtake the press for this one? They need to send him off to retirement, the sooner the better.

I think that's ridiculous, R283. You're assuming guilt not proven. He's an idiot but hasn't been proven criminal. They follow as much as they can this: never complain, never explain. (Or at least the think they do.) Look how long the Queen let the Charles and Diana warfare drag on.

Andrew would have to be convicted of something for that sort of drastic public action. As long as it's just rumours and speculation it's all appearances as business as usual. He will just recede into the background. Duke of Windsor treatment, without the forced exile.

Andrew is in the same situation as Woody Allen.

You can always say innocent until proved guilty but they're still PR nightmares, innocent or not.

‘Innocent’ is one of the last words I would use to describe Prince Andrew. The man oozes sleaze.

Plus, his presence re-opens questions about Charles' unsavory connections. The quicker they whisk him off to his chalet, the better.

I think if Andrew lays low, Eugenie will be all right. She’s likable, and I don’t think people blame her for her father’s doings.

I think if Andrew lays low, Eugenie will be all right. She’s likable, and I don’t think people blame her for her father’s doings.

The more pressing question as I see it is, what does this mean for Beatrice’s wedding? I’m assuming there will be one. But will it be a big “royal” blowout, or will they now have to scale down?

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Ellen is dumb, she makes it worse for Meghan.

So Ellen can see Archie, but not the average Briton who pay for him and his parents? That's how the Daily Mail will twist it.

Kate looked great last week with her new lighter hair color.

Prince George and his maternal grandfather, Michael Middleton. Does anyone see a resemblance?

If I were Meghan, I'd sue the people being responsible for who is being shown on the big stadium screen. She looks downright HORRIBLE in that big screen snippet, with her bloated face.

Now we all know why she halfway starved herself during her acting 'career' (lol).

She simply had to.

R296 there's no need to twist it this way as it's the reality.

R296, Ellen can see Archie but his own grandmother and cousins can’t?

People who can see Master Archie: Celebrities.

People who aren't allowed to see Master Archie: His paternal great-grandmother, his maternal grandfather, his uncles and aunts (maternally as well as paternally), his cousins (maternally as well as paternally), the British taxpayer, the people belonging to the Commonwealth Of Nations, ...

For comparison only:

People who can see Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis:

all of their relatives on a probably pretty regular basis (in case they want to), every British taxpayer from time to time, everyone living in a Commonwealth Of Nations country from time to time, everyone in the entire world from time to time

People who aren't allowed to see Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis:

None.

Ellen is such a weirdo. Shouldn't she be tweeting her well wishes for a speedy recovery for that homophobe Kevin Hart?

I thought Archie didn't go to NY? Is Ellen's comment to counter the negative press about Meghan leaving her kid in the UK to go to a tennis match? They need to get their stories straight.

MM really needs to ditch that witch-like hairdo. I don't get it. Before she met Harry, her hair looked good. Now it always looks like she got caught in the rain.

R305 She saw Archie during the summer, not at NY.

Thank you, r305.

I’m guessing that Archie is, shall we say, not the most photogenic of babies and that’s part of the reason why he’s literally been kept under wraps for the last four months.

Harry became hot when he reached his twenties, but as a child he was a bit awkward looking.

We have pictures of Archie, he's an average looking baby. Nothing to hide.

Yes, Archie looks like your average ginger African-American baby. Nothing to see here, folks, Move it along.

It really saddens me that Bea and Eugenie end up being tarnished because of their father's crimes. On the recent Cilla Black thread, someone posted a link to another website, where people in the airline industry talked about their best/worst customers. Bea was mentioned several times, as a very polite, kind customer, who was well thought of. As the official royals age out, and can no longer make the required appearances, Bea and Eugenie are the logical successors. I've made a lot of fun out of their fashion choices, but I can't fault them for their demeanor. They're really very lovely young women, and a credit to the BRF.

Bea and Euge might be deservedly ridiculed for their atrocious fashion picks in the past and for having been rather lazy royals when it comes to official engagements as well as for having done too much partying (particularly Bea), but they really can't do anything about being their parents' daughters. It's not their fault they are Andrew and Fergie's offspring just like it's not Archie's fault he's the son of Prince Hapless Harry and Duchess MEGHalomaniac.

Oh yeah, reward that ugly bitch's behavior by putting her mug on the big screen like she did something.

R314, Are you referring to Meghan, dear? Because you may as well be referring to that simpering, worthless piece of air.

It’s strange to feel sorry for people who are ‘princesses of the blood’ but I’m impressed that Beatrice and Eugenie seem to have become kind, well-grounded people despite not really having any good role models in their parents.

R315 I'm referring to MM.

She DID something after all. She bagged herself a dim prince, got him to marry her by shagging out of his brain the very last remaining cells and popped out a dynastically irrelevant kid that did not turned out to be the Little Diana she has been hoping for and that she apparently doesn't give a fuck about whenever she can hope to be caught on camera, particularly when some other celebs are around.

*did not TURN out to be the Little Diana she HAD been hoping for

They should have booed her ugly mug. Stay home with your brat/meal ticket you had to force on all of us.

R297 - Agree, very attractive - the coppery lights suit her tawny colour and grey-green eyes. Very nice to lighten up darker fall clothing, too.

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I know defending Meg is verboten, but with the exception of her mother, every relative has sold or tried to sell stories on her. Would YOU introduce them to your kid?

As for Andrew, I can't believe he brought Epstein to his daughter's birthday. FFS, Father of the Year.

Charles talking to his grandmother The Queen Mum at the Queen's coronation.

R323 I would definitely make an exception for my father, especially with the world watching. It’s not like she presented him as a deadbeat SOB all those years - quite the contrary. She owes him the minimum, as a courtesy.

Does Meghan still have any friends from her Northwestern days? Or are they are more current?

Apparently MM has an uncle, aunt, and first cousins on her Mom’s side, none of whom have sold stories to the media. Hopefully they will get to meet Harry and the baby someday.

The people I know of who have given interviews are: Thomas her father; Samantha who needs no introduction; a half-brother; Doria’s brother who she stole the father’s house from.

There's also the nephew who named a weed strain after her, went on reality TV, and my personal favorite, said he brought a knife to a London nightclub because Donald said London is dangerous.

I would have advised Meghan to have found some way to invite SOME family to the wedding besides Doria. It just didn’t look good to have no family. Some shirttail relatives. Anything!

Oh, totally forgot him, r329! Good one.

I'm disappointed that none of her idiots relatives even tried to play the long game and get on her good side. The second Harry made her famous, they were talking to the press.

If that old troll wante to see Archie she should have allowed the Harkles to move into Windsor Castle, she should have attended the christening nd she should have let Meghan wear the tiara of her choice. She was a bitch to Meghan and is now getting a taste of own bitter medicine.

BTW -the British people will never see Archie as long as they continue to fuck with the Harkles. Meghan is the type of bitch that can throw passive-aggressive shade with the best of them.

The Queen is more concerned with her Phillips great-grandchildren, her Wessex grandchildren, and the York girls. The Wales boys have her attention only because they are the children of her heir. She’s probably closer to Lady Sarah Chatto’s kids than she is to William and Harry.

Queen probably secretly thinks to herself, "Diana's boys, always some problem."

right R335, “drama, like mother like sons!”

R333 I seriously doubt the British public gives a shit about seeing Archie.

Seeing a biracial prince could open a lot of minds. The public might not want to see Archie, but they would be embettered by it.

R338 He's 1/4 black and probably less, as Doria probably isn't 100% herself.

Most black people in America are not, R339.

[quote] ...she should have let Meghan wear the tiara of her choice

Is that how it works in your family, R333?

New woman marries into the family and demands to wear specific heirloom jewelry (that she had already scoped out because how else would she know what she wanted to demand) belonging to her husband's grandmother? And granny is supposed to give in to such demands?

As if.

Anyone else see this as acceptable behavior in their family?

R341, No, it was an early window into her personality. And she just keeps digging in. For most of us, she was simply an unknown. I originally figured she was inexperienced, and would take a little while learning the ropes. Diana and Sarah Ferguson both struggled to adapt, too.

Megs doesn't want to "adapt". She takes exactly what she wants. And when she doesn't get it, she screams "RACISM" to cow her marks into submission, much like a petulant child throwing a tantrum. But the tried and true doesn't work for her now. Which exacerbates her petulance, childishness and impulsiveness.

No one can blame her for cutting Samantha, but she should have include her father from the beginning.

I think Tyler Dooley is hilarious and would be great asset on the chat show circuit. He described his new strain of marijuana, Markle Sparkle, dedicated to the new duchess, as 'guaranteed to blow anyone's crown off.'

[QUOTE] To the best of my knowledge, Kate has never flown across the Atlantic to watch sport, leaving a four month old baby at home.

Kate and William went to Cheval Blanc Randheli in the Maldives for a week's vacation on their own when George was 6 months old. Imagine the screeching on here if M and H did that. 'They hate the baby! They've been banished to the Maldives!'

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R346, you have a point. That’s an awfully long way to go without your new baby. And not that it’s especially hard on the baby; it’s usually difficult for the mother. But some people don’t have that kind of attachment so they don’t think it’s a big deal.

The difference: Will and Kate went together as a couple. Meghan left both husband and child behind. In both cases, there is a nanny.

^^ and what do we suppose Harry was doing while Meghan was in NYC? I’ll bet he rushed down to the pub with his boys. He was not home warming bottles and playing pat-a-cake with Archie, heheh.

[quote]The public might not want to see Archie, but they would be embettered by it.

Call Oxford or Cambridge... we've got a new word for 2019.

R350 Not new. Appears in Merriam-Webster. Hasn't made it into the OED yet.

R350 Not new. Appears in Merriam-Webster. Hasn't made it into the OED yet.

Yeah, in the christening picture that kid looked whiter than his dress.

My God it does exist. I stand corrected and surprised.

My God it does exist. I stand corrected and surprised.

My vocabulary has been embettered (and embiggened.)

Kate is doing the English Rose bit – and doing it well - as she opens her garden playground. The DM is gushing about her floral dress, glossy locks, minimal makeup and natural beauty. Me-ow!

I like Kate's dress.

Kate is our unproblematic Queen. Hahaha, keep gardening Kate.

Embiggen made it across the pond into the OED.

It's a wonderful project, in concept and in actuality – getting kids outdoors as a foundation for good mental health. An old-fashioned notion, but very timely.

R360-Old-fashioned , timely and in a way woke. (Forest bathing, anyone?) It ticks all the mental health boxes in a way that isn't cloying or lecturing - or hypocritical. I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Kate has been vastly underestimated. That woman is as shrewd as they come. Markle would do well to take a page from her book. Then again, Markle doesn't give half a fuck.

Ah, very astute, R360. Nature is always “in.”

Ry323 - Except that she talked about her father completely differently before she started dating royalty, and once she did start dating royalty, she cut him out altogether. She never once introduced Harry to her father during their, what was it, 18 month long "courtship"? We all know why she didn't: Dad was no longer "on brand".

Meghan Markle pruned the fat slob off the family tree quickly so she could make a faster transition from C-list actress/over-35/American divorcee from "undistinguished" background to Natural Born Royal.

He was good enough to feed clothe and house her, and then put her through a first-rate university at no cost to her, his brother the diplomat pulled strings and got her into that 3-month internship program in Argentina after she flunked the exam for same . . .

But he wasn't good enough to meet the prince she was dating.

I say they deserve each other.

R357 - Yes, I caught the "glossy locks" bit, too - well, lots of luscious hair has been Kate's trademark, and given how awful Meghan's hair looked at the US Open, it was a particularly bitchy hit.

As usual, the sourpusses on CB have tried to drag Kate, the event, and her look as best they can, and one of the poor benighted souls actually said she thought the royal reporters were getting tired of Kate as the reporting wasn't as "fawning" as usual, a comment totally hilarious after reading the DM's effusive verbiage about the glossy locks, minimal makeup, "natural beauty", etc.

After all, it's only the most-read paper in Britain.

Those CB fraus are pathetic.

WTF doesn't Meghan drop her fantasy of long straight hair like Kate and cut it off at the collar bone and allow some of its body and curl to breathe and float? She'd look so much prettier, but she's clearly hung up on having the kind of hair she really can't have because her real hair is totally apposite to it. So she's locked into extensions, weaves, and brutalising her hair twice a month to get a look that everyone knows is completely artificial.

R361 - An, spot on, and as many of us have been saying for a long time. She's run rings around Markle without uttering a word.

And speaking of Markle, are there any reports of her RETURN from the US? Or is she still hiding out there?

Haha, it would be so funny if she decided to stay at NY finally.

R364 As something of a royal hair troll, I completely agree. Meghan could go for a modified Andie MacDowell/Four Weddings sort of style (maybe a bit softer, more wave than curl) and she'd look great. She'd distinguish herself, rather than invite comparison with Kate, who, let's face it, has one of the all-time great heads of hair. She'll never do it though, gotta be long and "sexy."

I always thought it was fortunate that, in addition to being tall like Diana, Kate has dominant hair like Diana, but it's long and dark, completely different. To be an iconic royal woman these days, you really need height and hair (Her Majesty notwithstanding).

Given Megs penchant for cutting and running, I thought that's exactly what she had done. Said to Ginger I'm outta here, you can have the kid, mine will contact yours, it's been a slice. And *poof* gone.

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R365 but meghan and Harry think they are winning because Ellen, Clooney and oprah stick up for them and like them. They are petty to think it's about celebrity adoration. I must admit its getting to me a bit too. I wish there was a event or something where these celebs are there with will and Kate and how they react. Will they side with meghan and be nasty or be nice to will and Kate. I want will and Kate to me passive aggressive and ignore the celebs that have aligned themselves with the sussexes. It'll get to her if celebrities started saying nice stuff about the Cambridges and not her.

Princess Anne and horses.

r364, What brutal process happens twice a month? I thought Keratin treatment was every 8-12 weeks...

Thank goodness Kate has Tatum O’Neal.

My one criticism is Kate is those damned wedges she persists with. Ugliest shoes ever invented. She might as well clod around in workboots.

R375, I feel like wedges are Kate's way of rebelling. Given the shit Markle pulls, I'm willing to give her the damn ugly shoes.

I'm told wedges are much more comfortable and kinder to the back than heels.

R323-damn right. I knew there was no way Meghan was going to let Pa Markle walk her down the aisle. The optic of being on the arm of an obese, old slob would have ruined her day. Ruined it, I say!

ABC is showing Meghan's photo as part of their promo for new sitcom Mixed-ish, she must be elated.

If you're walking around in a garden/lawn, wedges support your foot much better than heels which sink in to the ground and you end up walking with the weight on the ball of your foot which is exhausting. Especially somewhere it rains a lot/or has been freshly watered to look green and attractive.

R378 Do you mean to imply the optics of being escorted up the aisle by the Prince of Wales (much like he once iconically escorted Diana down it) is preferable?

The mind still boggles at some of the stuff she’s gotten away with. All of which I find hugely entertaining! More, more!

R381-think what she pulled off with ghosting Pa Markle: given away by the future King of England while yet another future King of England served as a page-all while another future King of England, two future Queens of England the the actual Queen of England looked on. One wonders that she didn't wear Depends that day. She must have fought not to wet herself with jubilation at her coup.

I don't care about Kate's supposed gorgeous hair, but I do think she and Wills are killing it in the charity realm right now. Outdoors/nature/gardens is so on brand and safe but also ties nicely into their mental health initiatives, which actually seem likely to do some good.

Love Mary Berry's dress at the appearance with Kate, and the hot pink cardigan.

R382 One of the great climbs of all time. I absolutely love it.

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Bella magazine cover: Meghan and Harry have "Lost the Plot". An apt description.

The Royal Monograms - WTF? The Sussex crowns are bigger than the Cambridges and the joint H & M crown is even bigger.

The monogram assigned to Camilla, the arched crown respectively doesn't make sense. Arched crowns are for the monarch and the monarch's heir only. To be more precise, a crown with two arches crossing is the one the monarch is entitled to, a crown with a single arch is used for the monarch's successor.

If Camilla as the wife of the heir got a monogram with an arched crown, surely Charles as the next one in line to the throne ought to have the arched crown in his monogram as well as he is the one who is initially entitled to have this particular symbol in his monogram.

R387, Charles and Diana's joint monogram is a thing of horror

Do you think William did cheat on Kate? Since that flew about they've seemed more than putting on a good show in public... they seem genuinely relaxed in one another's company. I don't buy he he bagged Rose Hanbury but it's pure guessing.

R389-it looks like a mutant fish.

r390, I don't believe it . This radio 1 interview is from 2 years ago and they are having a good laugh together. Not on the verge of affairs and shit.

Some nice stuff around 14:40... they're quite natural.

It’s hard to say. Public people are pretty good at acting.

R392 thanks for sharing! They look so natural together not forced or camera thirsty

Pa Markle is obese and blotchy and unhealthy looking. What Meg and Harry should have done was put him on a diet and get him Spanx and a perfectly tailored morning suit. It was just one afternoon! They invited so much drama and negative attention on themselves.

As for Meg’s hair, I say she should let it go natural. She should embrace her kinky hair and maybe adopt one of those short churchy looking haircuts that middle class black women wear.

How long after Harry did Pa Markle start taking advice from Sam? Sam was going HARD after Meg. Either Dad was working with her to get a check or he's just THAT stupid.

bad end game for Pa and Sam though. You can catch more flies with honey than shit. Smeg probabky wasn’t going to be generous to Sam, but eventually she would to her own father. I mean, i’d certainly hope so.

Come on.

Sparkle didn't even introduce Harry to her father. And this was way before any missteps from Mr. Markle.

Face it. She ghosted her father. After frequent glowing descriptions of what a great father he had been (her own posts, not rumor), suddenly she dropped him.

And then she even came up with that preposterous story that she paid her own way through Northwestern by a work study job. Horseshit.

His goofs have been visible, but nothing he has done matches her complete ghosting.

The fact that there was only one family member from her side at the wedding shows you how her mind works - more important to invite celebs she either didn't know or had only faint contact with.

Poor baby Sussex. Growing up with those parents!

i’m pretty sure her glowing Instagram posts about Pa were just to help establish her Tig brand. She had probably already dumped him but she needed to keep up appearances.

Is it true that the Queen executed one of the Beefeaters in 1988 for sneezing in her presence?

No, R401 - he was reassigned to be Princess Margaret’s personal protection officer.

A fate far worse than death.

No. But Princess Margaret hate fucked him and that's a fate worse than death.

LOL... poor Princess Margaret needs Meagain's PR dark arts.

Yes, when you're a social media influencer you do need to virtue-signal about your parents, siblings, pets, friends: "I love you to the moon and back," etc etc.

R404 Margot would have been Meghan’s nemesis.

Off topic or maybe not - do all the mummies at George and Charlotte's school cross their fingers for friendship, dream of playdate invites to Kensington Palace? What happens if you have a birthday party for your kid, don't you have to invite the whole class? Do the Prince and Princess come?

Off topic or maybe not - do all the mummies at George and Charlotte's school cross their fingers for friendship, dream of playdate invites to Kensington Palace? What happens if you have a birthday party for your kid, don't you have to invite the whole class? Do the Prince and Princess come?

OK, go ahead and mock me: I will admit to being pretty dim. But R401 - R403, what is this story?

R402 here, R409 - my response was a joke based on Princess Margaret’s less than stellar reputation with the help.

And everyone else, for that matter.

[quote] What happens if you have a birthday party for your kid, don't you have to invite the whole class?

According to a recent story about the school which appeared around Charlotte's first day of attendance, children are not to hand out invitations in class to a party unless you are inviting the entire class to the party.

Story was sometime back that when George had his last birthday (was he 6?) he invited his whole class to his birthday party.

R408, presumably the other families are all titled and/or filthy rich and move in the same circles anyway.

Thank God the ugly tiara troll has stopped posting.

I enjoy the tiara troll.

I kind of liked the tiara troll’s posts.

I like the tiara posts

I suspect the stories about her dad weren’t exactly true. She wanted to create the illusion of being the adored daddy’s girl. It’s another way of one-upping.

She wouldn’t create a narrative where she’s not 100% beloved.

I am surprised Thomas doesn't remind everyone about those posts. I would.

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R420, plenty of parents pay their kids' uni tuition, so what is your point?

R420, plenty of parents pay their kids' uni tuition, so what is your point?

R422-the point is Markle claims she did it all by her little ol' get-up-and-gp, full-of-gumption self. She gave a speech extolling herself to the heavens for having paid her own way through college.

Right. Normal children, unlike Markle, don't lie and say they paid for their education themselves. Dad has receipts and she looks like a fool, again.

I LOVE Tiara Talk.

It wasn't just uni fees, it was her living expenses then, plus private school earlier. He sounds like a loving father. Probably wasn't a great husband, probably liked drugs, probably hard to get on with. But MM owes him.

If Bean hadn't gone on and on about darling Pa and what a daddy's girl she was, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt, but her basic prolix writing on The Tig shoots her in the foot. She's an awful person, full, hard stop.

Instead of admiring more or less fine tiaras, we may, for a change, marvel at the coronal atrocity that is the investiture crown of Prince Charles.

R409 - They are being cheeky and pulling the legs of unwary Yanks. There is no story. Britain abolished capital punishment in 1969, and the Sovereign, even if Britain hadn't abolished it, hasn't had the power to execute anyone in a very - very - very long time.

Monarchical real power has been gone for centuries. The monarch has no governmental or judicial power.

In fact, she is customarily expected to refrain from voting, as well.

R429. Thanks! I knew that the UK abolished capital punishment, so it sounded like some kind of in-joke or urban legend. I know the Queen is supposed to remain impartial in government matters.

R428, Does that crown still contain a ping pong ball?

[quote]'My daughter's new A-list friends have no right to speak about me until they know me.' Most upsetting, says Mr Markle, is the fact that his daughter, in her first major speech in Fiji last year, claimed that she paid her own way through university and would not have been able to afford the reported $200,000 tuition fees at Northwestern University without financial aid.

[quote]Speaking to a group of students at the University of the South Pacific, Meghan said: 'The journey of higher education is an incredible, impactful and pivotal one. 'I am also fully aware of the challenges of being able to afford this level of schooling for many people around the world, myself included. 'It was with scholarships, financial aid programmes, and work study from my earnings from a job on campus that went directly towards my tuition that I was able to attend university, and without question it was worth every effort.'

[quote]Not true, says her father, who remained silent at the time because his daughter was pregnant. 'I'm sorry but that is completely untrue. I paid every penny of her tuition and I have the bank statements to prove it. 'I paid for her trips to Spain and England. I paid for her internship in Argentina.'

So her claims that she paid for own education, and doesn't credit her father. Much like that fictional lunch over chicken tacos with Michelle Obama that was reported, then downplayed.

"The monarch has no governmental or judicial power."

You could have fooled us when the Palace assented to her Governor-General's firing the Prime Minister in 1975 without warning the PM (whose instructions she is supposed to follow). They are holding most of the correspondence tight, but enough has leaked that we know people up to and including Prince Charles appear to have been aware of the plot before it happened. Nothing has been changed to prevent a recurrence of this non-use of governmental power.

“‘It was with scholarships, financial aid programmes, and work study from my earnings from a job on campus that went directly towards my tuition that I was able to attend university, and without question it was worth every effort.'”

When attending university on scholarship in the united states, the very first thing the financial aid people do is make you max out your student loans. Only after they calculate the maximum in federal Stafford loans do they talk about family contribution, tuition rebates, work study, etc.

The fact that Megan Markel very carefully avoided saying the words “student loans” tells me that what her father is saying is true. He did pay all her tuition. She may have had a job on campus to help out with supplementary expenses but that is not the same as paying your own way!

The Queen did wrong? Gurl, you're in trouble. LOL.

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Splendid tartans! Just love 'em.

Swipe for Fergie doing her charity work.

If Harry gives up his royal job, he could be a trader. LOL.

A video of Princess Margaret's wedding party and guests arriving back at Buckingham Palace in 1960.

R439 Lol, as if.

George and Charlotte are off to their first day of school.

R438 Sarah's hair looks good. Simple. I don't mind the color, it suits her.

[quote] Senior Scottish judges on Wednesday held unanimously that the prorogation of the UK parliament was unlawful, and they did so on the basis that prime minister Boris Johnson misled the Queen. This is a remarkable and unprecedented judgment, and it is of profound importance, even though there will be an appeal hearing next week.

That's Boris off the Queen's Christmas card list.

Brexit watching is even better than Harkles watching.

You know, I was thinking. If only Meghan had been extremely humble and patient and a team player from the beginning, willing to defer to Kate’s position, we would maybe be seeing “sisterly” appearances with the two from time to time. Imagine them together at the garden or something, friendly and united. It would actually have been very nice.

R446, it is obvious to me that Meghan never wanted to be Kate's friend. Her agenda was never to be the quiet supportive wife. Interestingly enough I believe she as much as told the BRF this and only William was not tone deaf. Perhaps they believed they could teach her into changing. I also believe that Harry prefers Meghan just as she is so she has no real reason to change.

the tiara troll floods these threads just because she wants them filled up and closed.

I can’t quite bring myself to loathe Fergie for some reason, as ridiculous as she is. Compared to Meghan and Princess Michael she’s a cloud of joy.

Yeah, R449, Fergie strikes me as more hapless than malicious.

Does anyone else enjoy the irony of Sarah Ferguson with a big sign plastered on her that reads 'Street Child'?

Oh I think Fergie is just as bad as the other two. She hides her nastiness behind her "hapless act". I believe she is very shrewd and conniving.

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I'm not caught up so sorry if this has already been raised, but did anyone else notice how many times me, myself and I came up in the Smart Works speech? The attention isn't on the charity's efforts itself - it's on the DoS, what she saw lacking at Smart Works and how she's "fixed" it with her capsule collection which wasn't actually designed by her at all. Just like she took credit for the cookbook filled with recipes from other women. She somehow manages to make it all about herself. That's what I find bothersome. I would like to think she means well but when she speaks, she seems to give herself away.

Spot on R447. Harry seems quite happy with the status quo. He doesn’t seem to want the limelight as much as Meghan does, and he appears to be happy to take the back seat in public. In private too, is also my guess. I’m sure he doesn’t hanker after Chelsey. Any split will come from her and he will be devastated.

I am no exert, but that is not a cute baby. He's bald, chubby and has close-set, small eyes, one of which is crossed. And from what I see, he will be ginger.

R456 The hangers on would call any baby ‘cute’. Luckily for the child, they grow up and are often far better looking then.