Joaquin Phoenix

Grew up in a pedophile cult.

Into some freaky shit! I’d be a willing participant.

For no particular reason, he's always simply struck me as never having gotten over his brother's death.

Every time I see him speak, that's the thought that runs through my mind.

The topic of his brother is assiduously avoided - or at least I've never seen him discuss him.

appears to be bearding in that photo, OP

Bottom for females.

I thinks like River he's bisexual, but he's leaning more towards females, while River leaned more towards males.

He only has a career because his brother died, and Hollywood felt bad about it. He will never be as talented as his brother was, in even Stand By Me. Joaquin is indulged and ridiculous with his Method attempts at being "deep", and his relationship with Rooney Mara is perfect for him.

Straight and troubled, like the vast majority

The straights can keep him. Mentally questionable, ill-mannered, and probably still drug-addled.

He shares no features in common with River.

River likes mostly like his father while Joaquin looks more like his mother.

I'm more attracted to his type than pretty boys like River.

He's a fantastic actor, stop being bitchy for. no reason

If the festival circuit buzz is to believed, the Best Actor Oscar is either going to go to the Joker, Kylo Ren or Adam freakin' Sandler.

He knows he should have called for help when his brother was dying but didn't. He and his sister watched River die and didn't want to get the police involved. The guilt is why he's such a freak.

R15 Totally FALSE

I'll never forgive him for that cringe worthy display of mental illness masquerading as a performance in THE MASTER.

He did call for help. The 911 call was played all over the news which I'm sure traumatized him even more.

He had nothing to do with his brothers death. That was 100% John Frusciantes fault

I knew Joaquin as a pretty good professional acquaintance in 2006-2009. We met through a work project together. He was quite lonely then and sometimes would call me when high. I am a gay man and he always would say weird stuff like we should hang together more and let's get together soon. He would usually ask what I was doing when he called and I always lied and gave him an excuse that made me unable to come over to him. When he was sober, he didn't call. I got the feeling that he liked me and maybe wanted to try having sex with me. Nothing ever happened but I just felt sorry for him at the time. Still do, although I am no longer in touch with him as our work lives have taken us in different directions. He has a very extensive family who depend on him for financial support.

Parenthood, Gladiator, and Walk the line are my favorite performances. Looking forward to Joker.

r13 do you mean pointless bitchery, dear?

Thanks for the tea R20!

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R10 there's a good chance that Joaquin and River had different fathers. That fucked-up Children of God cult they grew up in encouraged women to convert male outsiders by having sex with them (seriously, look it up).

Joaquin and his sisters are definitely full-blooded siblings though.

Love Joaquin. His lack of grooming and hygiene can be nasty at times but he is hot as hell cleaned up. Also I think he gets emotionally stronger every day, he is very resilient.

He’s beautiful. He’s the anti-hero. I always believe his every performance.

There were incest rumours about him and his sister Rain and that he allegedly fathered one of her children.

Also that he is straight but at one point considered coming out as gay just for attention.

R20 thank you so much for sharing that. I’ve always suspected that’s what he is like in his personal life. Sadly, he reminds me of Robin Williams. I think in many ways that he has more talent than River did — but both were/are indisputably gifted.

Well I hope he doesn't end up like Robin.

That family is a pack of leeches. They mooched off River and now they mooch off Joaquin.

Give him the Oscar already!

R31 They're sickening.

Joaquin looks exactly like his father. River never looked like any of his siblings--I always suspected that he had a different father.

He's straight, talented and a crazy mess.

He was awesome in "You Were Never Really Here". Nobody saw it.

He gave great performances last year in three well done, but uneven films: YOU WERE NEVER REALLY HERE, THE SISTER BROTHERS and DON'T WORRY, HE WON'T GET FAR ON FOOT. In the latter he even made that automaton Rooney Mara shine.

He was excellent in the Johnny Cash biopic. I never would have thought he'd have good chemistry with prissy Reese Witherspoon, but they sizzled together onscreen.

He wanted to hook up with Reese but he's not her type.

LOL!

Is he uncut like his brother?

Joaquin was offered the role of Ennis in BM but turned it down because he wasn't comfortable with gay sex.

He called for help for his brother but much later than he should have. Didn't want River to get in trouble.

He was 16. Teenagers are not known to make rational mature decisions.

I think he's a decent actor.

I completely agree r44. It’s amazing the lack of empathy toward him for what happened with River. J was a boy! And R was still so so young too. It’s just very sad.

J undoubtedly lives with overwhelming guilt and pain but does his best to march forward. I would imagine he’s replayed that night 10,000 times in his head. I feel nothing but compassion for him. I also suspect he draws his artistry from this well of sadness and loss. Many great artists have this scenario, though one does not need to be emotionally destroyed to be a sublime artist. J is better than DeNiro was at this stage — he’s one of the greatest we shall see in our lifetime for sure.

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Will he mention his his brother in his Oscar award acceptance speech ?

He's a fantastic talent. I'm looking forward to the Joker film.

I had a crush on him when I seen him on space camp

He was very good in “Two Lovers” with Goop and Vinessa Shaw. I would have liked to see him play the role a little less dopey, but still an interesting performance.

Joaquin speaks about River.

I just asked about those rumours in another thread. It would not be surprising if Affleck was raising JP’s kid as his own. They are very close. No secrets between them at all. He seems like a lost soul but has looked healthier of late. He is engaged to Rooney Mara for what it’s worth.

The kids look normal.

[quote]He is engaged to Rooney Mara for what it’s worth.

She's worth quite a lot, isn't she, heiress of two NFL teams?

[quote]Joaquin was offered the role of Ennis in BM but turned it down because he wasn't comfortable with gay sex.

He's only comfortable with cult-mandated child sex and incest.

R54 my god that boy whiter then white

River Phoenix was one of my favorite actors. Loved him. Joaquin is very talented but I still like River more. River seems like he had more range and talent, whereas J always plays dark and brooding. Leading man vs. character acting talent I guess.

I think Joaquin is a tremendous actor (can't really say anything about River, he died before I was even in school and I've never watched his movies), but yeah, he seems troubled. It's hardly surprising with that fucked up childhood and then the trauma of his older brother dying of an OD in his arms. I guess he's mostly straight, but I can see him like R20 described him - basically being a very lonely person and when under the influence of whatever, just trying to have human contact.

I saw him at my gym in LA recently---I didn't recognize him at first because he was quite short and had a huge beard and looked like he hadn't showered in months. Then his trainer confirmed that it was him to me....very very short in person and scrawny

jolie laide

With the exception of Stand By Me none of River's films are classics and nobody talks about him anymore. I doubt Millennials even know who he was.

I believe River's performances in Running On Empty (Oscar nomination for best supporting actor) and My Own Private Idaho (won best actor awards in the Venice Film Festival, and the National Society Of Film Critics) are the ones that are admired most by the other actors of his generation.

How did Joaquin's sister and Ben's brother meet?

R62, not true. The kids know River. He took over from Jim Morrison in the hot, sexy, dead category. They enjoy him in all his roles and Own Private Idaho is a fav of theirs. Girls still find him.

He is one of those men who can go from scary looking to hot as hell easily. There's no denying he cleans up magnificently.

He should always keep the mustache. It covers his weird scar nicely.

[Yes, I am much more impressed by Crisp Lisp. On Oscar night, he attended one of the hottest-ticket bashes in this damn town. And he didn't go alone. He was with his date--a very nice, if shy, dude. The two made no secret that they were on a romantic outing. And by this fetching factoid, I don't mean to imply they were sucking face and groping each other. I mean, Tara Reid C.L. is not and never will be.

Rather, Crisp and his paramour just kinda chilled. Held hands. Whispered low. Gazed longingly into each other's bedroom eyes, blah-pre-poke-behavior-blah. Sure, everyone knew what was going on and that this is pretty much C.L.'s first foray into serious gay-relationship territory.

I wanna wish C.L. luck. And even though Crisp has a detractor, or three, in this town (who friggin' doesn't?), well, who can hold a grudge against new love?

Top suspect: Joaquin Phoenix]

Who is his Oscar date in that year?

A friend of mine was working as a costumer in LA years ago and she and a few friends tried to sneak into the Oscars. Joaquin saw them and bought them in with him, got them backstage and took them to an after party. The guys a legend.

He's very sexy and talented.

Nothing about him has ever pinged.

And now that he has a hit and some buzz, kweens are interested in projecting homosexuality on to him.

GROW UP

R70 he grew up in a fucked-up cult that encouraged incest and child-adult and child-child sex, who the hell knows what he is.

I doubt whether Joaquin knows what he is.

R56. Maybe playing that role would have stirred up some ugly memories, ones that he hadn’t dealt with yet.

The rumors about the sister are Joaquin's sister Rain. Casey Affleck was married to another sister, Summer.

Joaquin said recently that he hasn't spoken to Casey Affleck in years. I think they actually had a falling out over Rooney Mara. Casey indicated that he tried to get with her at one point.

Joaquin and Rain look very much alike which makes the incest rumours even creepier.

R19 weren't we blaming Johnny Depp for that? I think we ought, whether it's true or not.

R28/R75 I heard those rumors as well, they were talk of the town for a year or two. I don't normally put stock in something so outlandish, but given how they grew up it's a stronger possibility. The resemblance is very strong, you're right; they could almost be twins in some pictures.

I'm not comfortable looking at or watching Joaquin for whatever instinctual reason, but I have to admit I do like Rain as a personality and I find she's a watchable actress; see her in the link playing in the Sundance film HARRY + MAX, which coincidentally is a sympathetic film about the trials of two tragic incestuous brothers...

OT but I forgot to mention that I also love Rain's nutso middle name ('Joan of Arc'), and her psych-folk band Papercranes. In my grad years I had a couple of her tapes I played to death, it's killer makeout music. Some of the best tracks are 'Show Me', 'Treasure' & 'Curtains'. Unfortunately it's hard to find, DL and buy her music now.

[74] He and Casey had a foursome together when they filmed I’m still here. Highly doubt they would have a fall out over a woman. Let alone that woman is Rooney Mara.

I love what he does for animals.

He narrated "Earthlings." That's brave work.

[quote] he grew up in a fucked-up cult that encouraged incest and child-adult and child-child sex, who the hell knows what he is.

In a recent profile -either Vanity Fair or Esquire- he said when his parents caught a whiff of anything unseemly going on in the commune they left. He claims they were never around for that. Joaquin also says River was trying to be provocative by saying he lost his virginity at 5 or whatever age he claimed.

R80 claiming to have been raped at the age of 4 is beyond provocative. He also said that as a young teenager his parents helped him by encouraging him to have sex with an older family friend in a tent on the front lawn.

In other news I hate hippies.

Joaquin is loyal to his parents. He would never badmouth them in the press.

IUC Exclusive: Phoenix Not Attracted to Women, according to Toronto Stripper February 19th, 2009

An hour after I posted this morning, revealing that Joaquin Phoenix is on the verge of coming out, IUC confirmed an interesting related story by a Toronto stripper. She told me that she was hired by Joaquin Phoenix’s manager a couple of summers back to show up at Phoenix’s hotel and get intimate with him for one hour. The stripper, who works at Toronto’s Brass Rail Club, was shocked with what happened at the hotel. “When I showed up he refused to touch me,” she said. “He just wanted me to lay beside him. I tried everything to get him excited but it didn’t work. Definitely, he’s not into women.” The stripper said she was paid$2,000 cash for her time.

[quote]Have you ever wondered why this former A list movie actor and still a solid B+ movie actor with A list name recognition has never really had a girlfriend? Sure, there was the one on and off again relationship but that was a long time ago. He is never photographed with any women and has never talked about his dating life. Some people have speculated it is because he is gay. Nope. It is because he has had a relationship with his sister since they were in their teens. Not a sister/brother type relationship either. We are talking full on love of my life this is who I am with every night kind of relationship. The thing is that it isn't a secret in the family and the other family members are very accepting of it at home. Knowing this family they would probably be ok with it in public too, but some things have to be kept quiet.

I liked him in Signs.

I don’t think a celebrity couple has ever made more sense than Joaquin and Rooney Mara

JP and Rooney Mara are both passionate about animal protection.

False dichotomy, Op. shame on you.

He was born into the creepy Children of God cult, which encourages sexuality activities between children and adults and family members with each other. I saw ex-cult members on 20/20 years ago and they said that they were forced to have sex with each other as young children. They also said it was super-common for brothers and sisters to be forced to have sex with each other. You can find some of pamphlets and tracks that the cult put out online about this stuff. I stumbled across it 15 years ago and wish I had never seen it.

I've heard the rumors about Phoenix and his sister. If it were anyone else, I would disregard it, but considering how he grew up, I wouldn't be surprised. He's been linked to women over the years, including Liv Tyler back in the 1990s. He was also mentioned in the sexual harassment complaints against Casey Affleck (his then brother-in-law), and it alleged that, "On one occasion, while shooting in Costa Rica, Casey Affleck and Joaquin Phoenix allegedly locked themselves in the women’s shared bedroom, using the room to 'engage in sexual activity'" apparently with women.

R80 and R81 Whenever I hear anything about River's last couple if years, I am reminded of Steven Stayner. The last year or so before he was recovered, he would make weird statements. Several kids commented that they were getting drunk in the woods together, and Stayner started weeping uncontrollably and saying stuff like, "I'm not who you think I am."

He has a wounded vibe, sad and introspective. I wouldn't be surprised if he slips away one day.

Oh, there were also rumors that his current gf, Rooney Mara was fucking her brother a few years ago too. One of the gossip sites posted pics that basically proved she was/is a cutter. Every cutter I've know was fucking nuts.

If he & his sister were once genuinely in reciprocal love then I feel sorry for them. I don't fully believe they were and feel it's unlikely to be true, but it does happen and if ever there were two celebrity siblings more predisposed...

Were such a couple cousins, steps or even half-siblings they might have been accepted but full-sibling incest is a near-universal taboo and considered an aberration everywhere in the modern world except for maybe among cloistered closed-tradition groups like the Amish or remote island tribes. There's nowhere for a consanguineous couple to go and live in peace without cutting all contact, changing identities and starting a life over from scratch

Now that we're talking about it - wasn't Joaquin originally called Leaf by his parents? He was billed as 'Leaf Phoenix' in his earliest projects iirc. I wonder why he chose to change his name to such a weird unpronounceable foreign-sounding one, when he could have just gone by 'Leif' instead.

Joaquin is his real name. He wanted to be called Leaf when he was a kid because his siblings had pretty nature names.

To sum up, incest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gay.

I'd face-fuck him so hard his harelip would tear.

[quote] I'd face-fuck him so hard his harelip would tear.

Another one of Joaquin's oddities is that he is adamant that he was not born with a harelip.

Yes R98, and Sandra Bullock, Charlize Theron, and Scarlett Johansen all have their real noses.

Joaquin's mom told him she was laying in a hammock and had a vision of her future son. Thus Joaquin was marked for greatness.

R100 that woman really fucked up her kids. I Remember an interview with one of the directors river worked with. They guy mentioned her and it was clear he was nauseous just talking about her.

Isn't that the same cult that Rose McGowan's family used to be in?

R102 yes the same one. The Children Of God. Now called "The Family International."

“Scream” is actually an homage

Will he mention River when he wins the Oscar?

[quote] reminded of Steven Stayner. The last year or so before he was recovered, he would make weird statements. Several kids commented that they were getting drunk in the woods together, and Stayner started weeping uncontrollably and saying stuff like, "I'm not who you think I am."

So? I do shit like that all the time, and I’m not an addict and as far as I know or can remember was never abused. I’m just depressed, introverted and sensitive, and possibly kind of a gothy nihilist at heart.

Poor Gary!

He's a lovely person actually.

Didn’t he instigate a physical fight with someone at the Golden Globes because he was coked out of his mind?

Sounds like a stellar personality.

Looks like Falwell, Jr

R9 very questionable and maybe morallly challenged like his father.

I don't get why he was in that bar the night River died. Joaquin was soooooo underage then.

I dont find that atypical, kids want to go where the action is. I recall initially River was just doing his younger siblings a favor- was going to drop them off and leave. They wanted to see Depp play. But he decided to stay, with hopes he could go on stage and play too.

R113 = enabler and apologist = FU

R74 The reason he doesn't talk to Affleck is because Casey and his sister had a rough divorce. The guy fucks anything in a skirt, just like his brother Ben. I think Summer finally stood up to her husband and her brother.

R114 I didn't say dropping under 21 yr olds off at a club was a great idea, just that breaking the rules isn't all that unusual when you're young.

He's got a decent butt. He doesn't come off as gay or bi to me.

R39 with Reese? Never heard that, there was some talk about him and Goodwin.

Give me River any day.

R64 He was already a friend of randy Casey's and introduced him to his sister Summer. I guess they like to keep it in the family. He and Casey apparently enjoyed group sex together, long into Casey and Summer marriage. Nice family. Fan girls seemed to be in denial of this though.

Btw Ted eventually crossed J of the Crisp Lip list.

IUC was a fake, he even had his followers believe Brad and Angie would split on a certain day- this was years ago. [83] Never happened. His followers still hung on. It was probably to get massive hits to his site.!

He also thought making people gay was the most cutting edge thing you could do. Maybe he was repressed and gay himself or of a time when being gay was more taboo. Or maybe just homophoebic. Who knows. His stories were meaningless. Complete con artist.

Casey and Joaquin were in the movie To Die For together.

R122 how great is Alison Folland in that?

I live for the ‘New Kids on the Block’ scene in TO DIE FOR. It’s such fantastic writing and acting.