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Natalie Schafer (aka Mrs. Howell)

She of course deserves her own thread. Some facts about every gay man's favorite castaway from "Gilligan's Island":

*She was extremely wealthy thanks to smart investments in real estate, and so actually was an actual millionaire in her own right when the series started

*She lied for most of her adult life about her age. By the time of Gilligan's island she told everyone she had been born in 1912, though she had actually been born in 1900! She was a good decade older than her co-star Jim Backus, who played her husband Thurston

*She first came to public attention with the plum role of "that BITCH Allison DuBois," the frivolous fashion magazine assistant editor, in the Kurt Weill-Ira Gershwin musical "Lady in the Dark"

*She insisted doing her own stunts on "Gilligan's Island," and told people she especially loved being trapped in quicksand on the show.

*She swam every day, which she said allowed her to indulge in what she called "the ice cream diet," wherein she could have ice cream every day so long as she swam to keep her figure

*All the castmates adored her (except of course for Tina Louise, who disliked everyone), and she grew especially close to Dawn "Mary Ann" Wells, who cared for her in her old age. It has been rumored she left a good part of her fortune to Wells, who has never commented on it. It has also been suggested she left a lot of money to her dogs. She DID certainly leave quite a lot of money to the Lillian Booth Actors Home in LA, which used the money to renovate their hospital outpatient wing, which they renamed in her honor

*Her character "Lovey" Howell is one of the only two characters whose actual full name is never revealed entirely on the show (the other is Gilligan--we learn in the pilot that the skipper's real name is Jonas Grumby, and the Professor's is Roy Hinkle). Sherwood Schwartz insisted her real first name was Eunice, but that's never said on the show. Mr. Howell and Erica Tiffany Smith (Zsa Zsa Gabor) call her "Lovey," and the other castaways only ever refer to her or address her (respectfully) as "Mrs. Howell," although in one episode the Professor does address the Howells as "Thurston" and "Lovey." Schwartz also insisted Gilligan's real name was "Willy Gilligan," but that first name is never used on the show, and Bob Denver always countered in later interviews that Gilligan just had the one name (like "Cher").

*We do know from one episode that Mrs. Howell's maiden name was Wentworth, and Mr. Howell in another episode says she was an heiress and that her father was "loaded."

*She seems to have had breast cancer at one point in her life but never spoke of it. She died of liver cancer (the first cast member of the show to die) at age 90.

*She was married for nine years to the respected stage and screen actor Louis Calhern, from 1943-1952. They remained very close friends after their divorce. They had no children.

*She was quite a drinker! Russell Johnson, who played the Professor, said she told everyone she loved to partake of what she called "Joy in the Morning," and it turned out that meant she had a bottle of clear hard liquor (he never found out what exactly it was) that was labelled "Joy" in one of her library bookcases that she swigged happily from every morning.

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by Anonymousreply 87August 31, 2019 11:20 PM

It would be great to do a new thread about actors who were, by all accounts, a joy to be around and who were well-liked by most everyone. I guess there wouldn’t be much to bitch about, but it might provide a pleasant diversion.

by Anonymousreply 1August 28, 2019 10:26 PM

I adored her.

by Anonymousreply 2August 28, 2019 10:30 PM

She is very funny on the show. She had wonderful comic timing.

by Anonymousreply 3August 28, 2019 10:35 PM

Agreed, R3. She and Jim Backus were marvelous together.

by Anonymousreply 4August 28, 2019 10:38 PM

One of the things I always liked about the show is that sometimes she and Mr. Howell would be extremely underhanded and sneaky together, but for the most part she's so nice. She and he never do any work on the island whatsoever, and yet none of the other castaways ever complain.

by Anonymousreply 5August 28, 2019 10:40 PM

This was Natalie Schaefer's home, before and after it was torn down. She lived on the residential part of Rodeo Dr. in Beverly Hills.

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by Anonymousreply 6August 28, 2019 10:45 PM

Someone built a tacky McMansion where her house stood.

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by Anonymousreply 7August 28, 2019 10:48 PM

Sorry, that link didn't work. Here's the tacky McMansion.

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by Anonymousreply 8August 28, 2019 10:49 PM

^Did a couple of greedy, wig wearing boys kill their parents in that house?

by Anonymousreply 9August 28, 2019 10:53 PM

Her best role was in the Joan Crawford picture "Female in Heat".

by Anonymousreply 10August 28, 2019 11:02 PM

She could be bigger than Vivian, she could be a DL hero ......

by Anonymousreply 11August 28, 2019 11:10 PM

She acted with her hands above her elbows. Every.Time.

by Anonymousreply 12August 28, 2019 11:12 PM

R10 I think it was titled Female on the Beach, and she really was excellent at playing Queenie Sorensen, grifter and card shark ( “Follow the sun...follow the sun...”).

by Anonymousreply 13August 28, 2019 11:31 PM

OP: She first came to public attention with the plum role of "that BITCH Allison DuBois," the frivolous fashion magazine assistant editor, in the Kurt Weill-Ira Gershwin musical "Lady in the Dark"

Patricia Arquette's character name on Medium?

by Anonymousreply 14August 28, 2019 11:35 PM

She and all the other Jews should be supporting ME because I am the Biggest supporter of Israel not the Democrats who love Omar

by Anonymousreply 15August 28, 2019 11:36 PM

Fancy Natalie was actually a Jewish girl from Joisey.

"It has been rumored she left a good part of her fortune to Wells"

Well that cash must have gone up in smoke (literally) because Dawn was all over the internet with a GoFundMe account several months ago - she needed $$$ for her medical bills.

by Anonymousreply 16August 28, 2019 11:42 PM

Her teeth were quite yellow on the show. Dawn Wells supplied her with marijuana in the end. She tells of one time the 2 of them walking on the beach in Florida, Natalie in full Lovey garb, flowing drapey dress, the hat with scarves. People were freaking out seeing Lovey and Mary Anne just chillin'. Female on the Beach was a good flick, she played a fortune hunting kind of wife who had a succession of young men to entrap women like Joan's character.

by Anonymousreply 17August 28, 2019 11:45 PM

I don't think Dawn Wells is very good at handling money. I read years back that Natalie left her $1 million.

by Anonymousreply 18August 28, 2019 11:48 PM

"Her teeth were quite yellow on the show"

Dawn's? Or Natalie's? Natalie was in her 60s on Gilligan's Island. Most all 60+ year olds have yellowing teeth, it's nature, and that was way before teeth bleaching. If It was Dawn, well...you know.

by Anonymousreply 19August 28, 2019 11:49 PM

She played the madame in Day of the Locust. I just looked, she's not in the trailer.

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by Anonymousreply 20August 28, 2019 11:49 PM

Some of the facts above are incorrect.

Mr. Howell died first in '89, then the Skipper in '90 & then Mrs. Howell in '91.

Ginger didn't hate her co-stars but didn't like how she was tricked into the G.I. contract by her manager who made $$$ off of her deceptive contract.

She also fought for residuals but none of the other cast members would join her cause.

She flat out refused to do a mean version of Ginger towards Gilligan & told TPTB that they hired her for a "nice Marilyn Monroe type" & that was what they were going to get or that she would really walk off the show (she had threatened to do this before over other issues).

She resigned with the show after her deceptive contract was up but (like the others) wasn't too thrilled when it was cancelled before the 4th season started taping so the wife of network president could watch her Gunsmoke show. It's been said that the cast lost homes,cars & other stuff that they could now no longer afford due to the abrupt cancellation.

Tina didn't want to do a sit-com back then where she wasn't the lead character & blamed the Ginger role for typecasting her (the other actors resented G.I. for this as well so it wasn't just her).

by Anonymousreply 21August 28, 2019 11:55 PM

^ We appreciate you input, Tina!

by Anonymousreply 22August 28, 2019 11:57 PM

I bet Mrs Howell is still stranded on that island.

by Anonymousreply 23August 29, 2019 12:03 AM

This is a pretty strange program but one of the few extended interviews with just Natalie about herself. Lots of information.

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by Anonymousreply 24August 29, 2019 12:17 AM

Both Sherwood Schwartz & Dawn Wells said that Tina Louise turned tricks in her dressing room. Dawn said she heard lots of obvious sex action going on through the walls.

by Anonymousreply 25August 29, 2019 12:18 AM

[quote]Ginger didn't hate her co-stars but didn't like how she was tricked into the G.I. contract by her manager who made $$$ off of her deceptive contract.

Her manager blamed Sherwood Schwartz for the bait-and-switch. The movie star was supposed to be central character; Sherwood Schwartz wrote the entire show with Jayne Mansfield in mind. When Jayne turned it down, he opened up the role to auditions, and continued casting the other characters. Once Bob Denver was cast as Gilligan, he retooled the show around him and eliminated the movie star altogether. CBS agreed with the retool but insisted they wanted the movie star. Tina's agent claims he had the original synopsis - the one offered to Jayne Mansfield - when he sent Tina to audition. Sherwood countered that he was open to retooling the show back to make the movie star the central character, but CBS shot the idea down.

[quote]She flat out refused to do a mean version of Ginger towards Gilligan & told TPTB that they hired her for a "nice Marilyn Monroe type" & that was what they were going to get or that she would really walk off the show (she had threatened to do this before over other issues).

The movie star was supposed to be more of a sarcastic wisecracker, but not mean. Mrs. Howell was supposed to mean; indignant at the fact that she was stranded with proles she deemed beneath her. Natalie Schafer pushed back and asked her character to be rewritten as a good-natured, scatter-brained Lucy Ricardo type - and got it.

[quote] Tina didn't want to do a sit-com back then where she wasn't the lead character & blamed the Ginger role for typecasting her (the other actors resented G.I. for this as well so it wasn't just her).

She was offered the role of Elly May on the Beverly Hillbillies and turned it down for that reason.

by Anonymousreply 26August 29, 2019 12:19 AM

Tina was known to give excellent head and one of her chief recipients was CBS president Jim Aubrey, reputed basis for Jackie Susann's "The Love Machine."

Natalie was also Phoebe Emerson on I Love Lucy and was very similar to Lovey Howell. Schafer imbued Lovey with a great deal of sympathy and while she was definitely acquainted with the snobby high society, she was never loathsome like Mrs, Drysdale

by Anonymousreply 27August 29, 2019 1:38 AM

I wish Tina Louis would stay OUT of this thread with her sob stories.

by Anonymousreply 28August 29, 2019 1:48 AM

When I was a teenager I went to Capri with my parents every July and Natalie Schafer was always there at the same time at the same hotel. She looked exactly like she did on the show. She lived in the same building as my Aunt, 480 Park Ave. She always said hello to me, asked after my aunt whom she joked about living on the expensive side of the building. My Aunt who was probably 15 years younger than her said the rumor was that Natalie was a Lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 29August 29, 2019 1:51 AM

"Sugar beets! I simply *ADORE* sugar beets!"

by Anonymousreply 30August 29, 2019 2:02 AM

The great fuck of Natalie’s life was George S. Kaufman. After his relationship with Mary Astor blew up in scandal in the 1930s, Natalie took over as his extended extramarital paramour.

by Anonymousreply 31August 29, 2019 2:11 AM

I thought about her tonight when I was watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood because of the restaurant -- El Coyote -- where Sharon Tate had her last meal. I used to go there. Crap food but deadly margaritas. One night I was waiting outside on the sidewalk when Natalie came out with someone and stood waiting for her car. She was being silly and funny, probably from the margaritas. Kind of like her Gilligan's character. I even remember what she was wearing: white slacks and a sheer white top with pastel polka dots. You had to love her.

by Anonymousreply 32August 29, 2019 2:11 AM

Well, this is just hearsay, but in the 1980s someone I knew at that time claimed that he was at a Hollywood party in the 1970s, and Natalie was there and tried to pick him up. He was in his 20s and she was in her 70s. She said to him "A young man's first experience should be with an older woman." He was starstruck by her, but he did not take her up on her offer, because he is gay, for one thing.

by Anonymousreply 33August 29, 2019 2:21 AM

R17: Didn't Dawn Wells get arrested for trying to buy marijuana for Bob Denver when he had cancer? She really took care of her friends.

by Anonymousreply 34August 29, 2019 2:30 AM

Don't forget she was on the Shirley Temple episode of the Brady Bunch. With a fly outfit at that.

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by Anonymousreply 35August 29, 2019 2:33 AM

She seemed like a lovely person.

by Anonymousreply 36August 29, 2019 2:53 AM

R36 She was not lovely, she was Lovey.

by Anonymousreply 37August 29, 2019 3:00 AM

What’s weird about Tina Louise’s account of what went down is that the original Gilligan’s Island pilot was shot in 1963. Ginger Grant was a character, but she was a secretary, not a movie star, and she wasn’t played by Tina Louise. That was the pilot that CBS bought. The decision to change Ginger to a movie star (and a schoolteacher to “the Professor” and a scatterbrained blonde named Bunny to Mary Ann) was made in the spring of 1964. The part that Tina left for Gilligan was practically a cameo role, the character of Gloria in the musical “Fade Out, Fade In” on Broadway, so she wouldn’t have had much bargaining power anyway. Even if not the lead, Ginger was a major supporting character and represented a step up for Tina.

by Anonymousreply 38August 29, 2019 3:02 AM

Reminder that Nat played Olivia de Havilland's mean mommy in childhood flashbacks in The Snake Pit.

by Anonymousreply 39August 29, 2019 3:04 AM

[quote]She really took care of her friends.

Yes, she was quite loyal for a drug dealer.

by Anonymousreply 40August 29, 2019 3:04 AM

[quote]Nat played Olivia de Havilland's mean mommy in childhood flashbacks in The Snake Pit.

Speaking of mean mommies, Nancy Kulp played Joanne Woodward’s mean mommy who forced little Eve to kiss her dead grandmother on the lips “so you’ll always remember her,” causing the mental fracturing that created “The Three Faces of Eve.”

by Anonymousreply 41August 29, 2019 3:08 AM

She hated Joan Crawford, and was one of the stars to side with Christina after her book Mommie Dearest caused a shitstorm in Hollywood.

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by Anonymousreply 42August 29, 2019 3:11 AM

r41, I consider Nancy Kulp a versatile (for her attributes), outstanding talent of the 50s and 60s.

by Anonymousreply 43August 29, 2019 3:22 AM

Nancy Kulp was versatile in many ways. Let's just say that she was an expert at cleaning out carpets and also an expert at getting her own carpet cleaned.

by Anonymousreply 44August 29, 2019 4:43 AM

Why doesn't TCM show "Female on the Beach" anymore? I look for it all the time, but they haven't shown it in over 3 years. It's one of Joan Crawford's most entertaining movies.

Don't you think that's fishy?

by Anonymousreply 45August 29, 2019 4:56 AM

She used to make Dawn Wells lick her labia for a dollar.

by Anonymousreply 46August 29, 2019 5:02 AM

[quote]She was married for nine years to the respected stage and screen actor Louis Calhern, from 1943-1952. They remained very close friends after their divorce. They had no children.

Well, if that doesn’t scream queen and beard!

Also, on the interview at r24, Schaefer says that she was his third wife and he was an alcoholic - an unfortunate but common path for closeted actors way back then (and still now, at times).

by Anonymousreply 47August 29, 2019 8:09 AM

And the gay guy she tried to pick up at r33’s hearsay story kind of seals the deal re her hag/bearddom

by Anonymousreply 48August 29, 2019 8:12 AM

She fucked George Gershwin.

by Anonymousreply 49August 29, 2019 8:15 AM

R27, Tina was married to hunky talk show host Les Crane.

by Anonymousreply 50August 29, 2019 8:17 AM

Tired of hearing about Tina’s complaints and the way they take over ANY thread about anything remotely associated with GI

by Anonymousreply 51August 29, 2019 8:24 AM

You bitches shut up talking shit about me. Natalie is D E A D dead! I am still alive and kicking.

Well sort of. As long as i get my daily injection of formaldehyde, I'm good.

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by Anonymousreply 52August 29, 2019 8:32 AM

Natalie was classy

by Anonymousreply 53August 29, 2019 11:26 AM

I always thought the professor and the skipper had an eye out for each other!

by Anonymousreply 54August 29, 2019 12:03 PM

Yes, R53 Louis B Mayer hired her because she was a lady.

She always seemed to exude a 'joie de vivre'. She and Martita Hunt both appeared in Ingrid Bergman's 'Anastasia' and both of them were delightful.

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by Anonymousreply 55August 29, 2019 12:18 PM

[quote]Yes, [R53] Louis B Mayer hired her because she was a lady.

However, in the interview at r24 she says that when she met wit Mayer, he urged here to move to Los Angeles and she said she couldn’t because she was in love and the guy lived in NYC. Mayer then offered to pay for the guy’s relocation and subsidize him, and she responded “He can’t. I don’t think his wife would approve.”

LBM: “I thought you were a LADY! Get out of here!”

Cute story - I’m sure she still got signed on.

by Anonymousreply 56August 29, 2019 1:18 PM

Gershwin was thought to be gay, R49.

by Anonymousreply 57August 29, 2019 3:49 PM

R54, I figured if someone on that island was having sex, it was probably the Professor and somebody -- i.e., he was either fucking Ginger, Mary Ann, Gilligan or all three.

by Anonymousreply 58August 30, 2019 12:25 AM

R58, the Professor was handsome, but sexless. I don't see him having sex with anyone unless he was asleep when it was happening.

by Anonymousreply 59August 30, 2019 12:33 AM

I always thought the skipper might have deep creamed the professor’s very receptive hole.

But then the professor flipped him and pounded him into submission!

by Anonymousreply 60August 30, 2019 2:52 AM

At the one hour mark: Here’s how Natalie’s warm parenting style put Olivia de Havilland in the state insane asylum...

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by Anonymousreply 61August 30, 2019 3:25 AM

[quote]Ginger Grant was a character, but she was a secretary, not a movie star, and she wasn’t played by Tina Louise.

I thought the secretary was named Bunny. Some blonde nobody played her.

Ginger was played by an actress named Kit Smythe.

[quote]Born in 1940, she originated the role of Ginger Grant in the unaired pilot episode of the CBS-TV series "Gilligan's Island," before getting replaced in the role by Tina Louise, who assumed the role on the series. She would go on to appear in TV series such as 'Bewitched," "The Farmer's Daughter," "Burke's Law" and "Gunsmoke." her final television acting performance was in an episode of "Police Woman" in 1976. As of 2005, Smythe was still performing as a showgirl in "The Fabulous Palm Springs Follies' in Palm Springs, California.

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by Anonymousreply 62August 30, 2019 4:08 AM

If you listen to the beginning of the interview in R24's video, it says she was mentored by by Katherine Cornell, the Grande Lesbian of American theatre. Case closed, thigh's open! Sounds like Mrs. Howell loved the sex!!

by Anonymousreply 63August 30, 2019 4:12 AM

R57, George Gershwin was not gay and I'm the dame who can prove it.

by Anonymousreply 64August 30, 2019 4:39 AM

R64 Oh, Kitty I trust you as little as I trust this usurous broad.

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by Anonymousreply 65August 30, 2019 4:42 AM

Kitty seems to have forgotten she was married to Moss Hart and not George Gershwin.

Death does that to a gal.

by Anonymousreply 66August 30, 2019 7:37 AM

My BF took to calling me 'Mrs Howell', because I could always be depended on to carry an umbrella when it would rain. He'd never use an umbrella, so he seemed to think it was an affectation.

by Anonymousreply 67August 30, 2019 7:49 AM

R66, Kitty and George dated long before Moss was in the picture.

by Anonymousreply 68August 30, 2019 3:47 PM

Kitty loved gay men!

by Anonymousreply 69August 30, 2019 3:49 PM

So did Moss!

by Anonymousreply 70August 30, 2019 3:51 PM

[quote]I thought about her tonight when I was watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood because of the restaurant -- El Coyote -- where Sharon Tate had her last meal. I used to go there. Crap food but deadly margaritas. One night I was waiting outside on the sidewalk when Natalie came out with someone and stood waiting for her car. She was being silly and funny, probably from the margaritas. Kind of like her Gilligan's character. I even remember what she was wearing: white slacks and a sheer white top with pastel polka dots. You had to love her.

Did you fuck her? If you were IN the Tarantino movie you would have.

by Anonymousreply 71August 30, 2019 4:01 PM

[quote]She hated Joan Crawford

Who didn't?

Being a big drinker would explain the liver cancer. And everyone knows Gilligan was servicing the Skipper's poop deck.

by Anonymousreply 72August 30, 2019 4:03 PM

It seems she was married to Louis Calhern from '33 to '42.

The publicity for Joe Mankiewicz's strange mulatto movie called 'Julius Caesar' in '54 claimed Calhern was 'Americas's Greatest Actor'.

Now that can't be true, can it? Because John Barrymore claimed to be 'Americas's Greatest Actor'. Calhern may have had a big nose like Barrymore but that doesn't allow Calhern to claim he was 'Americas's greatest Actor'.

by Anonymousreply 73August 31, 2019 8:10 PM

Her wide jaw and big eyes made her look rather like Marilyn Monroe.

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by Anonymousreply 74August 31, 2019 9:46 PM

As the Madame in "The Day Of The Locust" she is showing the clients waiting in the parlor a pornographic motion picture. Oh Lovey!

by Anonymousreply 75August 31, 2019 10:18 PM

I read in one Crawford book (FEUD?) that when they were making REUNION IN FRANCE (1942) , Schafer popped into Crawford's dressing room on her way to the set, because there was a full length mirror in there.

The star heard about it, and the next day there was a guard or something posted at her dressing room door.

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by Anonymousreply 76August 31, 2019 10:19 PM

The young Ava Gardner had a bit part in REUNION IN FRANCE, too, as a shopgirl.

I bet this made the aging Crawford physically [italic]sick. [/italic]Gardner was so beautiful during that period, and Crawford was being phased out by MGM.

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by Anonymousreply 77August 31, 2019 10:24 PM

R73, Louis Calhern had four wives. Wife #1 was the lovely Ilka Chase.

by Anonymousreply 78August 31, 2019 10:32 PM

Dear, dear Ilka.....

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by Anonymousreply 79August 31, 2019 10:38 PM

Natalie Schafer and Martha Raye were lovers.

by Anonymousreply 80August 31, 2019 10:50 PM

Lovee Big Mouth!

by Anonymousreply 81August 31, 2019 10:57 PM

R62, Ginger and Bunny were both secretaries. There was no movie star, and the school teacher (played by John Gabriel) was not a "professor." (Gabriel was dropped when they hit on the new concept for the professor and decided he needed to be someone who read older than Gabriel did).

by Anonymousreply 82August 31, 2019 10:59 PM

Nobody’s going to mention that Skip E. Dipshit kept referring to Bob Denver as John Denver at R24???

by Anonymousreply 83August 31, 2019 11:03 PM

I had an acquaintance who was friends with Natalie in the 1970s and early 80s. He said she was always telling stories about Gertrude Lawrence, with whom she worked in the musical "Lady in the Dark" on Broadway in 1940-41. She and Gertie both had bawdy senses of humor and became good friends. He said that Natalie told him Gertrude never wore panties, she liked going "free." But she said that Gertie was very considerate. She had a number (presumably The Saga of Jenny) where the men had to lift her onto their shoulders. "And do you know what Gertie did for those boys? Every night right before the number, she would perfume her pussy. Wasn't that thoughtful of her?"

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by Anonymousreply 84August 31, 2019 11:06 PM

[quote]George Gershwin was not gay and I'm the dame who can prove it.

Fuckl you, Kitty. I was the dame who could prove it!

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by Anonymousreply 85August 31, 2019 11:11 PM

Skip E was the basis for Martin Short's Jiminy Glick. The original name was Skip E. High along with the physical imitation when when Lowe threatened a lawsuit, Short put on the fat suit. The questions and intonations are the same.

by Anonymousreply 86August 31, 2019 11:16 PM

Alan Gershwin, who claimed to be George's illegitimate son.

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by Anonymousreply 87August 31, 2019 11:20 PM
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