Sir Elton John leaps like a lion at anti-Meghan Markle obsessives in the British media

Meghan and those children -- why are they wearing so many clothes? Isn't it still summer in the South of France?

Meghan is such a rockstar and I I bet Diana would be proud.

HAhaha oh my god, give it a rest! "Too many clothes! Not enough clothes! One extra eyelash on her right lid! Three too many grains of rice on her plate!"

Some people are saying this controversy was concocted to take the air out of Prince Andrew's new Epstein story.

Elton would just defend Prince Andrew without any subterfuge, though.

r5 Why?

r5 What I said is that BRITISH MEDIA invented this controversy to protect Andrew, you homophobic idiot.

MARY!

to the hundredth power.

It's so nice to see Elton using his powers of mega-bitchery against a deserving target.

For once.

Shut up R3

SLAP HER!!!

they just prove to the world what hypocrites they are...save the planet! yet they take 3 or 4 private jets to holidays in a 2 wk period.

yeah....they are sooo great!

r12 Shut up, Trumpbitch.

[quote] Meghan and those children -- why are they wearing so many clothes? Isn't it still summer in the South of France?

No one said this picture was taken in the South of France

The Daily Mail reserves more outrage to the fact that Meghan likes to take avocado juice than to Prince Andrew's friendship with Epstein.

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Shut Up black woman living vicariously through your half breed Meghan R13

r17 You mean, that picture of a LITTLE GIRL?

Yeah, I bet Sit Bottom John is always wanking to that.

Why are there so many fashy homophobes posting on Datalounge these days??

R,18, Half breed? What the hell? This ain't the1950's asshole. Grown-up, man.

r18 I'm gay, male, Latino. But boy, it doesn't take much to bring out the Nazi from you Trumpbitches today, huh?

[quote]What I said is that BRITISH MEDIA invented this controversy to protect Andrew, you homophobic idiot.

What the fucking hell are you going on about? You didn't say WHO "some people" were at R4, and your link doesn't, either, you sponge-brained conspiracist.

You can take the random accusation of homophobia and fuck yourself with it, because lord knows no one else will fuck you.

The art mentioned at R17 was a Nan Goldin photograph entitled "Klara And Edda Belly-Dancing" and was part of an art exhibit that was about to open. It wasn't CP that was hidden or anything like that, it was a legitimate, but controversial, art photograph. The police didn't pursue a case against Elton or the photographer.

I'm so sick of these 2 useless cunts with their fake charity efforts...all to make them "look" like they are worthy human beings...nobody gives a shit about your saving elephants! not when children are in cages and nazi like camps !

r22 Honey, try to give some charm to your answers. You're not supposed to show people how out of you control you are emotionally if you want to play the superior.

And yes, gratuitously accusing prominent gay men of being pedophilia advocates makes you a homophobe. You homophobic idiot.

I didn't accuse anyone of pedophilia. I'm the one who said Elton's photo WASN'T porn. What is even going on with you people?

r23 He knows that but he doesn't care. The game Trumpbitches play online doesn't involve respect for truth and fairness.

[quote] Too many clothes! Not enough clothes!

It's 77 degrees in Nice and those kids are dressed for an Autumn or early spring hike

OK, r26. What did you mean by this:

"Elton would just defend Prince Andrew without any subterfuge, though."

[quote] I'm so sick of these 2 useless cunts

So naturally you read everything about them and comment on them instead of hitting ignore and going on to the next subject. Reeeeeal sick and tired, you are.

I suspect, R29, that R26 meant "Elton is an ass-kissing social climber who'd defend a Royal who was caught sacrificing children to Satan and drinking their blood".

He probably would, but that doesn't make the Markle-Haters any less worthy of abuse. They are so fucking batshit.

...you thought that I was saying that Elton is a pedo and would defend pedo Andrew because all pedos stick together?!

Complete insanity. You jumped to crazy, conspiracy theory conclusions in your head.

Andrew isn't even accused of being a pedo, he's being accused of sleeping with the 15-year-old girl he was photographed with. And Elton is plain spoken and gives no fucks, so he would simply defend Andrew the same way he's defending Harry and Meghan using his jet. There's no need for subterfuge. In fact, the royal family tends to go quiet when things get really rough, not go on vacations and cause a stir.

Why would they have Meghan and Harry go vacation at Elton's place when Elton (a) famously is friends with Andrew and attended his wedding to Fergie, and (b) also has his own fake CP scandal in his past? That's the LAST person they would use to distract from the Andrew situation.

R18 Is a troll, and a pretty good one at that.

[quote] That pic is from their Australia tour,. and Sir Elton ain't no saint. The "art" that this article is about is sickening.

That picture was in almost every newspaper. So save your outrage for the pedophiles that get off on these pictures, not for the picture itself, Elton John or the Sparkle-Windsor duo

[quote] Andrew isn't even accused of being a pedo, he's being accused of sleeping with the 15-year-old girl he was photographed with

You need to get your facts straight. He's accused of raping an underage sex slave and also traveling to another country to do those things (that right there is a BIG FUCKING DEAL)

He and the Queen are also being accused of hosting convicted child rapist/sex trafficker epstein and one of epstein's sex slaves at one of the Queen's homes. And actually the Queen and Andrew have hosted convicted child rapist/sex trafficker epstein and his pimp, ghislaine maxwell at two of the Queen's homes and at one of the homes she lives in that is paid for entirely by the taxpayers. Those are just the times we know about. But knowing what a dirtbag Andrew is and how fucking stupid the Queen is, not the only times

So, Watch this space

I doubt Harry and Meghan would take a bullet for Andrew like that. They don’t strike me as team players - especially when the person they’re supposed to take the hit for has posted things like this:

r37 Who's saying they're voluntarily taking a bullet? It's the Daily Mail that created this controversy, and that rag is definitely invested in protecting Andrew, as r15 shows.

I do enjoy Harry's "presentation of hole" pose there. Fewer clothes next time, please.

OMG r37 that picture choice sends quite a message.

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Meghan and Harry dropped 12.5 tons of carbon dioxide in the last two weeks alone.

The average British person drops 13 tons in a single year.

They're obscene.

Have I got this right?

Elton writes

[quote] we ensured their flight was carbon neutral, by making the appropriate contribution to Carbon Footprint™

So, if you are rich enough you still get to pollute with private jets as long as you contribute to an organization?

Isn't this the same way Al Gore justifies his big home?

So, I've got money and can still foul the air unnecessarily as long as I donate to the right cause???

This is just WRONG. Elton and the Sussex duo and all those who showed up at Google camp with private jets and mega yachts still are polluters.

Fucking hypocrites.

The right-wing outage machine is so exhausting. And these people use snowflake as an insult.

I will never understand the obsessive hatred for this woman beyond the fact that she isn’t white, she’s American, and people who love Harry are jealous that he isn’t going to marry them.

FFS..

Fuck Elton.

And fuck Ellen too.

[quote]I will never understand the obsessive hatred for this woman beyond the fact that she isn’t white, she’s American, and people who love Harry are jealous that he isn’t going to marry them.

Some individuals are so obtuse and colour-blind, as to see everything as only white or black. "Racism"! "She's an accomplished do-gooder"! "Jealousy"! They literally cannot perceive the wake of drama and destruction the so-called Duchess and her husband leave in their wakes.

[quote] Meghan and Harry dropped 12.5 tons of carbon dioxide in the last two weeks alone. The average British person drops 13 tons in a single year. They're obscene.

Their actions certainly reflect this obscenity no, R42? Will be interesting to see what holds for the future if they continue along this path.

Meghan married into an elitist institution. She's fair game.

R49 showing everyone she's not here to be called a racist and she means business:

I know everybody is totally outraged by these flights but it has to be noted that the distance from London to Nice is only 640 miles and London to Ibiza is 900.

So the total distance of the flights return isn't much more than a one way flight from New York to LA.

Just thought I'd point that out.

The Bitch Is Back

Did Sir Elton John really have this photo in his possession or is it another Qanon conspiracy? Disturbing if true.

"They [the sane people] literally cannot perceive the wake of drama and destruction the so-called Duchess and her husband leave in their wakes. "

Oh for fuck's sake, R49, if you and your fellow obsessives re-directed your outrage and hatred against a worthy target, the world would be a better place for it!

Markle is insignificant outside of your heads, it's the people like Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch who actually filling the world with drama and destruction.

I don't think it has to be one or the other, R55.

[quote]"They [the insane people] literally cannot perceive the wake of drama and destruction the so-called Duchess and her husband leave in their wakes. Oh for fuck's sake, [R49], if you and your fellow obsessives re-directed your outrage and hatred against a worthy target, the world would be a better place for it! Markle is insignificant outside of your heads, it's the people like Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch who actually filling the world with drama and destruction.

Thank you R45 & R55 for so beautifully illustrating your obtuse and Black and White thinking.

[quote] I don't think it has to be one or the other, [R55].

Indeed, R56. Indeed.

The Daily Mail has lots of stories on Andrew, as well. However, based on U.K. libel laws, everything printed must be verified as true.

I don’t believe the DM is covering for Andrew in any way. The only royal who doesn’t seem to get any negative press from them is Her Majesty.

the more we talk about this useless BS, the less we talk about all the millions they steal to the British treasury every year... that's the only reason they appear in the media...

I thought that they were being sent to Africa? We could all use the break!

Shit! Prince Charles will be the new King in less than ten years. He needs to control his brother and trim down significantly on who is BRF

The British peasants should be bowing down and kissing Meghan and Harry's feet for putting a fresh new face on the British monarchy. They are the biggest celebrities in the world and beloved by billions. They are the best spokespeople for the land of Britain that anyone could hope for.

Whether R62 is serious or not I don't know, but there actually are people who think this way.

Scary.

Don't worry, r63, no one sane thinks that way.

Even some of the Celebitchy commenters are criticizing the Harkles for the four private jets in 11 days, and I never thought Celebitchy would allow a single word against Meghan. Even the crazed Megstans can see that this look is not a good look.

Elton John is flaunting his royal connections. Is there anything he won't do to try to sound relevant?

What's fascinating is that the members of the British royal family who actually [italic]matter[/italic]--the Queen and Philip, and Charles and Camilla--genuinely cannot stand Elton John.

He always sucks up to the wrong ones.

Do you think Elton is jealous of Freddie Mercury?

Well considering that Prince Charles was friends with Jimmy Savile for decades, being disliked by him might actually be a character recommendation.

"Do you think Elton is jealous of Freddie Mercury? "

Since Mercury has been dead for decades and Elton is alive and as happy as he's capable of being, I would guess he isn't.

"Sir Elton John leaps like a lion at the opinion of 99.9% of the British population"

Fixed it for you.

Nobody want to talk about OP picture of Harry bending over?

R71 Please meet R39

"Leaps like a lion" made me laugh, OP. Thank you.

“Prince Harry’s Mother, Diana Princess Of Wales was one of my dearest friends. I feel a profound sense of obligation to protect Harry and his family from the unnecessary press intrusion that contributed to Diana’s untimely death.”

Oh give me a fucking break. There weren’t packs of paparazzi chasing them down in Ibiza, you pretentious emotionally manipulative git.

In the grand scheme of royal carbon footprints, a few jaunts by private jet is a big fuck all. Enormously wealthy people all have bigger carbon footprints than the rest of us plebs. They have bigger houses, bigger cars, with a team of people working for them.

If you’re outraged by H&M flying by private jet (‘Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the environment?!) but have little issue with the Queen living in a house with fucking 775 rooms, then my guess is you’re probably a big fat racist.

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R74 “Diana Princess of Wales was one of my dearest friends”.

Except when they had a huge falling out the year of her death and only made up for the cameras at Gianni Versace’s funeral.

Fucking Reggie Dwight the social climbing narcissist.

R75 “Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler, Pol Pot, and a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan combined. You fucking racists, how dare you speak of your betters like that? How dare you!”

Nah, R78.

It’s a pretty fair conclusion. If your outrage is selective, where the trivial transgressions of a woman of colour are somehow deemed to be more abhorrent than of those who are not, I’m gonna assume that you’re a racist. And probably a raving misogynist, too.

Lady Elton will burn in hell for being on the payroll of the multibilliondollar global crime known as HIV/AID$ Inc.

R78 and all the other Meg-Haters, read R79 again.

This is how the sane people see you. They see someone frothing with outrage at the trivial actions of a woman of color and yes, they assume you're a racist. That's how the rest of the world sees you, when you ignore a world full of injustice and abuse, and focus all your hatred on one insignificant woman who isn't white.

What about those of us who hate spoilt, feckless, selfish, thoughtless, greedy Harry more than we hate the con-woman Meghan, r79? Are we racist?

The Queen isn't lecturing me to live in only 1 room.

R75 or R78

Duchess Dumbarton's egregious actions are NOT trivial.

Certainly the Queen has lived a life of luxury, but has been somewhat dutiful.

In the short time M has been married into the family, she's flaunted and taunted the World's populace: over-the-top-apparel, in-your-face demands, pretentious writings and smug (& brief!) official appearances.... (won't even call them duties when she leaves after a few minutes, or less than an hour).

The race card has been OVERPLAYED.

There exists no equivalency between her actions and demeanour and the amount of melanin she possesses.

She is amping up the outrage (even here in America). And if she continues on her current trajectory, she may not only bring down the BRF, but herself and her similar artificed, celebrity syncophants.

R77 - so you're saying that if you have a falling out with a friend then you were never really friends? That's bullshit and you know it.

A lot of idiotic and ignorant opinions on this thread. R84 what 'outrageous' demands has Meghan made? That she wanted some fucking avocado? How exactly, be explicit here, has she 'flaunted and taunted the World's populace'? What a stunningly idiotic sentence to write.

She's done literally nothing to deserve the amount of negativity that gets thrown at her, so yes the only logical conclusion is that it's racially motivated.

Oh, R84 - everything the royal family do is trivial. That's their whole point. Bread and circuses. I don't give a fuck what MM and her husband do or don't do.

However, with the fascists at the door, I do feel it's one obligation to point our discrimination where one sees it. Whether if it is you and your ilk's intention or not, you are coming off as being brazenly racist. And at this particular historical juncture, the faux-indignancy of racists is the biggest outrage of all. We see you.

Elton John and David Furnish also leapt like lions at antigay gay whore Aaron Schock. Furnish even traded Instagram stories with him, thanking him for the backstage action.

"Furnish even traded Instagram stories with him, thanking him for the backstage action. "

Mee-YOW!!

R81 So when Charles & William have been criticised for taking private jets...that’s racism? How about when Harry (on his own) took a helicopter for a trip that would have taken an hour on a train...was that “racism” too?

Because that’s what you cunts fail to understand. St. Meghan of Markle and her ginger eunuch are getting the exact same scrutiny & criticism that all members of the royal family get. But you are so desperate to project your own bigotry and racism onto others that you fail to engage that embarrassingly tiny brain before you speak.

[quote] We see you.

Yeah...we see you too. Some inadequate white person without any friends of colour to virtue-signal over so they accuse everyone else of racism to make themselves feel better.

So obvious & so pathetic.

Fuck off.

So what you're syaing, r85, is that nearly everyone on this thread is racist? That 90 BRF threads and all the dangling tendril threads were filled solely by all the many racists who frequent this gay site?

That all the articles written with a critique of her are written by all those many racists that decided to become journalists? Right, because journalism is so full of rabid racists in 2019.

All for a woman who is half white and who doesn't even look remotely black? She looks Portuguese or Southern Italian, or Maltese.

Why am I even bothering. You know already that what you are saying is entirely untrue. None of the criticism against Meghan is motivated by her being half black. In fact, her being half-black and in the BRF is one of the only cool things about her. It makes a nice change.

Her spending, ostentation, her tainting the BRF with politics, her attention-seeking antics, and her constant disregard for protocol and staff, are all insulting to the taxpayers who pay for her and who don't want to pay for either of them anymore.

But you know that too.

I doubt anyone would have objected if Harry had wed Emma McQuiston. But she would have run a mile from PH.

R91 No you're talking bollocks and what I'm saying isn't untrue - just because you may not agree doesn't make it so. Are you even a UK tax payer? All the things you're accusing her of are completely minor irrelevances that have been blown out of all proportion by people who have an irrational hatred of her and there can be no other conclusion that it is racially motivated. Compare the way Kate has been treated with the way Meghan has been, as that is the most appropriate comparison, has anything Meghan has done really justifying the hatred she gets?

Since you seem to know so much about it, precisely what spending and ostentation are you referring to? That she wanted to renovate Frogmore? How fucking dare she!!! Could you elaborate further on how exactly she has tainted the royal family with politics? Because she is trying to use her platform for positive causes? Is that it? How fucking dare she!!!

Maybe you'd like to describe in more detail her attention seeking antics? Care to explain what she has done that is attention seeking and somehow negative? Constant disregard for staff and protocol, presumably you're referring to her not becoming a Stepford Royal and actually not doing absolutely everything by the book because it's always done that way. What's that, progress? How fucking dare she!!!

Just fyi - I'm not expecting a reply to any of the above, it's largely rhetorical, in the same way you're spouting empty rhetoric as I doubt your ability to back up anything you've said with any coherent explanation or facts. Now get back in your cage you sad little boy.

Each roundtrip flight counts as FOUR as the plane returns, empty, then comes back. It does not stay with them. Outrageous!

Who will bray in support next - tubby James Corden?

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R75-I loathe, abhor and despise Trump and his Gestapo and have wept over the damage he's done to the US. I also find Markle to be the most narcissistic, hypocritical, basic bitches I've ever seen. Face it, Markle is an awful person.

Kate was destroyed for years by the press, r93. If you really were British, you'd know that.

I will address your lunatic post point by point:

1. Nothing wrong with renovating Frogmore. But a 3 million pound (aprox 4 million dollars for the US readers) renovation is an outrageous amount of other people's money for them to spend and a slap in the face of the people who are paying for it. The property itself is not even worth 3 million pound.

2. To your next claim, you seem unaware that staying non-political is central to the position of the monarchy in the UK. It keeps them safe from the vagaries, and sometimes violence, of the politicised sphere. It is essential the Royals stay neutral so that they can perform their first duty: to unify and support ALL people in the country. Meghan doesn't care about that, implying she doesn't care about any of the people in the country who do not agree with her wokeness. Another slap in the face of the people who pay to support her.

3. Her attention seeking antics? Let's start with going to Vanity Fair to offer an interview before the engagement was announced. Then let's move on to the pregnancy, during which she wore maternity clothes when she was 2 months pregnant at Eugenie's wedding because she knew that she'd be photographed. Then onwards, the relentless belly cupping (which I found physically repulsive). The Coat-flicking to make sure her tight Kardashian-style clothes covering the bump could be photographed. All very attention seeking and very unbecoming for someone in her position. The letter she wrote to her father that somehow made it onto the cover of People. The cat-and- mouse nonsense and attention-grabbing process around both Archie's birth and Christening. The horror that is their instagram. The Vogue guest edit. Not attention-grabbing enough to simply be on the cover and give an interview, so she suggested a method that would both get her added attention and immerse her in the word of celebrity.

4. It is no small thing to treat people who work for you badly. It's actually huge. Meghan has had the highest turnover in a single year than any Royal has had in decades. The fact that you think that anyone who treats staff with respect must "be a Stepford Wife" tells me everything I need to know about you, how you view others, and how you were raised, r93. None of it good. And with that, I'll stop wasting my time with you.

By the way, you're the one seeing skin colour first. Guess what? That means YOU'RE the racist here.

Bye.

UKGuy, I'm not the poster you are addressing, but there are solid reports of staff issues in regards to Meghan:

[quote]Tell that to the staff Markle threw a hot pot of tea at in Oz. Or to Lady Cosgrove (GG's wife then) who wished to speak with her about her treatment of staff at AH (Admiralty House). M (who is known for her vulgar speech) in response to Lady C: "F**k off. Do you know who I am?"

A staff member who had been working for them and was on the Australia tour quit under suspicious circumstances. And in unusual parting words, Buckingham Palace lauded this staff member. There was talk that this was the result of some legal ramifications resulting from poor interactions with Meghan.

This is from another thread:

[quote]Regarding the link you requested, it is not in the MSM. But it is circulating on Twitter, DM's and in some writings if one looks closely enough. (There is even a meme circulating of the interaction.) I'm surprised Lynn Cosgrove has allowed this to circulate. Although frankly, she's likely as fed up as the rest of us. I posted in one of the earlier BRF 80-something threads about what I heard occurring at AH in Oz, although I was not there firsthand to witness it. We are usually kept mum about the happenings there, as it is of state importance. It's just that the behaviour witnessed on that tour was so.....gobsmacking, the likes of it had never been seen from 1st World Representatives, let alone someone from the BRF. I'll end with just one word an Aussie official used to describe the October 2018 BRF visitor who-shall-not-be-named: unhinged.

Unhinged.

Consciously or unconsciously, people pick up on things. Meghan's acting can only go so far. And it is no surprise that many feel so strongly about her.

But this has nothing to do with the colour of her skin. As someone said, that was one of the cool things about her.

Highgrove was renovated for £1M in 1980, roughly equivalent to £4M today. The total public fund expenditures for all royal palace fixtures and renovations in 2018-2019 so far is £83M.

You're not angry at one £3M renovation, you're angry about WHO is getting the renovation.

^^^^Geez, give it up UKGuy.

it's looking more and more like YOU are the racist!

R93 haha I see a MM fan has googled "commonly used British slang" and found the word bollocks and decided to come on here and pretend they are British. Give me a break no one who is British would call themselves UK guy. You'll have to try harder to fool people around these parts.

Highgrove is the residence of the Prince of Wales. The future King, r99.

Are you saying the 6th in line (probably soon to be 7th) should live on the exact same standard as the Queen and the heir to the throne?

Why not just make a petition for Meghan and Harry take over Windsor Castle, kick the Queen out, and be done with it?

[quote]Meghan has had the highest turnover in a single year than any Royal has had in decades.

How do you know this but not know anything about previous renovations and other royals who have spent far more than Harry and Meghan have?

Oh, probably because you made it up. I can't find a single reasonable source for that claim. Even articles that note the "unusual" turnover mention that one staffer left after having a baby, and one former aide said that William lost as many aides as Harry has but no one seems to notice that.

[quote]By the way, you're the one seeing skin colour first. Guess what? That means YOU'RE the racist here.

It's such a stale old right-wing talking point to claim that the person who notices something racist is the REAL racist.

Also stale is how often you guys change accounts. Just one person losing their muffins means blocking 4-6 accounts because of sockpuppeting. Tedious.

I've never changed my account. I don't delete my cookies, you can block me and see everything I've posted and you're welcome to it.

When Meghan lost four staff in under a year, yes, that's higher than any other Royal for many years. The BRF is well-known for long-standing staff. Turnover is relatively rare. And all the staff they lost had been working for the BRF for years, in one case 17 years. They drove away everyone from the bodyguards to the several aides. And all within a year.

I am beginning to think there are similarities between Markle and Trump - albeit on different scales:

Both some of the greatest public examples of narcissism.

Both liars.

Both play the victim when things do not go as they demand.

Both unhinged.

Both run over people who can no longer "serve" them.

Both project onto others their own dramas and issues.

Both have......?delusional supporters that similarly project onto others.

Oh, and by the way, r103, yes. YOU are the racist here.

It was quite comical of Elton John to announce that he made a "contribution" to offset the carbon impact of his private jet use, as if the contribution would somehow retract the carbom emissions already in the atmosphere that it released. It won't.

As for "protecting" Harry - please. This spoilt boy has been protecting all his life - the rest of the world has no idea what it is like to live a life like his, where, when you want something done, you pick up the telephone and ten minutes later it IS done; even the military was forced to admit that the moment any real danger hoved into view, Harry was moved to a place of safety whilst he was serving in the Middle East.

Absent the death of his mother, which other children the world over experience at a young age, and his parent's divorce (ditto for children the world over), the only thing botheringe Harry is negative press. Would that were the case for the rest of us here on Planet Earth.

The only thing Harry really needed protection from, but didn't get, was a preening, calculating, hard as nails, narcissistic, controlling grifter who was desperate for a chance at A-list status before she hit the shady side of 35, which she was about to do.

That's the protection Harry needed, but neither his family (except for his brother who at least tried to warn him, for all the thanks he got for it) nor Reggie offered him.

^*has had protecting

R107

R97 - Spot on.

Two insufferable self-regarding twats. If Meghan Marklet had been all white instead of half-white, the fraus rushing to her defence would have skewered her long 'ere now and she'd look like St. Sebastian, full of arrows.

^*Markle

R108

I had never heard of the pot of tea incident before - does anyone have more info?

Saint Sebastian, the patron saint of gays - young, beautiful and tormented.

Highgrove is PC’s private home. No public funds were accessed to buy or renovate it.

Bagshot Park has 120 rooms and was renovated for less than Frogmore Cottage...and Edward paid some of his own money towards the cost. Even Andrew contributed to the cost of The Royal Lodge.

How much did Smug & Mug contribute? Fuck all.

You’re the racist, UKGuy. You are “othering” Markle. She’s super special because of her heritage and can’t be criticised as a white person can. You are a disgusting bigot.

R93 Not many people consider verbally abusing staff members to the point of tears to be progress.

Your inability to see Megan Markel as a full and complete human being rather than as a symbol and a “woman of color” is quite racist.

[quote]

Highgrove is PC’s private home. No public funds were accessed to buy or renovate it.

Bagshot Park has 120 rooms and was renovated for less than Frogmore Cottage...and Edward paid some of his own money towards the cost. Even Andrew contributed to the cost of The Royal Lodge.

How much did Smug & Mug contribute? Fuck all.

You’re the racist, UKGuy. You are “othering” Markle. She’s super special because of her heritage and can’t be criticised as a white person can. You are a disgusting bigot.

[quote] Highgrove is PC’s private home. No public funds were accessed to buy or renovate it. Bagshot Park has 120 rooms and was renovated for less than Frogmore Cottage...and Edward paid some of his own money towards the cost. Even Andrew contributed to the cost of The Royal Lodge. How much did Smug & Mug contribute? Fuck all. You’re the racist, UKGuy. You are “othering” Markle. She’s super special because of her heritage and can’t be criticised as a white person can. You are a disgusting bigot.

Cheers R115 & R116 😉

UKGuy -

Are you a part of Markle and Sara Latham's trollbot army?

[quote]but have little issue with the Queen living in a house with fucking 775 rooms

Good god, I thought that was hyperbole but it isn't!

Yes, r119, Buckingham Palace is...large.

Had you not noticed, dear?

"UKGuy" is very likely an American wannabe humanitarian frau idiot assiduously defending her American Hollywood (lol) Royalty (lololol) Becoming A Princess (lololololololol) And Diana's Daughter-In-Law heroine.

Buckingham Palace belongs to the nation, as does Kensington Palace and Windsor Castle.

The Queen isn’t a hypocrite because there are rooms there that she lives in. It has other uses, as do all the Crown Estate properties.

If she moved out the number of rooms wouldn’t suddenly decrease.

Not smart are you, UKGuy?

What r75, r81 and r85 said.

It's a tactic of the bigot in denial to accuse those who point out bigotry of being "racist". Trump and his voters do it all the time.

The hatred of Markle is disproportionate to her relevance, and, as much as Meghan haters want to avoid the obvious, nevertheless, it's her ancestry that offends them.

I'm willing to give r96 points for covering all the bases by throwing in their disgust of Trump, and, in my observation of Markle, she HAS made mistakes, but still, that she elicits such vehement reactions is a tell of bigotry.

So, Della, you're saying that we are all racist? All of us? All of us who have been posting through the dangling tendrils threads from 2016 and then the BRF threads - 90 of them- wondering why she is behaving so badly?

So you must think the DL is populated by racists.

Meanwhile I think the people like you, who excuse her behaviour because of her race, are the real racists.

Get real, "Della".

R123 - With respect, Della, because that is what I have for your views, the Harkles have set themselves up for this, and this IS a gossip thread, not the Guardian.

Those who set themselves atop a high place morally are the easiest to knock down.

The UK tabloids are notorious for their ability to milk a story, and to turn swiftly to another story as soon as one seems to be ready to wrap the next days fish n chips in. They bled the Epstein story, they bled Andrew's part in it, they'll be back to Andrew-Epstein as more leaks out, but when that started to get stale of the weekend, the Harkles obligingly and quite idiotically gave them a new one - for which they themselves had laid the groundwork.

Everything gets blown up here - do you think the rest of the world really cares who in Hollywood is gay and who isn't, or the latest on Lee Pace and Luke Evans and Richard Armitage?

The fact is, Meghan has laid herself bare to this and she isn't doing herself, Harry, or the BRF any favours as she does so. The fact remains that if William had gone to Google Camp and talked about saving the planet and then taken several private jets in a week on a luxe vac., the same people would have taken off after him and Kate, which the fraus on CB do routinely, anyway.

Come now, Della. The Harkles have set themselves up as moralists, and they are suffering the fate that moralists usually do. And, yes, one of them happens to be mixed race. That doesn't absolve her from the mockery that moralists deserve.

No Della.

She elicits vehement reactions from both supporters and non-supporters alike.

Like matches like. And she exudes.....for lack of a better phrase, an vehement energy......essence whatever word for the non-tangible aspect of our human existence.

Small details for those observing her body language, her choice of verbiage and written language and her (dominating) interactions with others are clues for those aware and are often discomforting for others.

For those less perceptive or who simply ally with her, the racism issue is a convenient justification to allow behaviour that in all likelihood would not be acceptable in others who did not play the race card.

I've spoken to quite a few individuals from several racial backgrounds that find the "racist" claim she - and supporters like yourself - promote, insulting.

[quote]So you must think the DL is populated by racists.

It is, and you're one of them. You're complaining that "she doesn't even look half black" and listing other races she looks like, then telling everyone else THEY'RE the racists because THEY noticed race and you didn't. Except when you did notice it and bitched about it, I guess.

R119 - well, if you're going to take on about where the fucking Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland lives, you're basically questioning the whole foundation of the thing, and you should start a thread on whether or not it's time to get rid of the whole show.

But in the context of this topic, the fucking Queen IS the fucking Queen, and Harry Windsor is the sixth in line and a future irrelvancy to the direct succession, which is now vested in his older brother and said brother's three children. And, Buckingham Palace doesn't belong to the Queen: it belongs to the State. It is her official residence in the nation's capital, and I doubt she really "lives" in it more than she absolutely has to, as she's essentially a countrywoman who considers Sandringham, Windsor, and Balmoral her real "homes".

Walter Bagehot, the long revered expert on constitutional monarchy in the modern era, said, "There are arguments for having a splendid court, and arguments for having no court, but there are no arguments for having a mean court."

She's the Queen. Harry and Meghan will be irrelevancies once Prince George marries and has his first child. The taxpayer may or may not be amenable to some support for those in the direct line. But shelling our $4 million for Frogmore Cottage for the sixth in line and his wife when his father and gran could easily have paid for it (and in fact Charles probably paid for whatever the SG didn't pay for) all and avoided this issue, as well.

What nonsense, racist (meaning person who sees skin colour first) at r128.

I listed a variety of European countries where the people look very much like her. To me, she looks Southern European.

To you, she looks like an opportunity.

Prove me wrong.

Hmm, so you can't intelligently debate without claiming that I'm not actually British? Funny that. The fact that seeing a pregnant woman cupping her bump you find 'physically repulsive' tells me all I need to know about you. That you're absolute gutter trash.

Anyone else doubting that I'm from the UK (and I am assuming those of you who are, are American but please correct me if that's not the case) - I just find you bizarre. Clearly you are the type of people who would claim alternative nationality on an anonymous internet forum but I have no reason or desire to. If you don't believe I'm British, that's your prerogative but you're plain wrong so I can't take anything else you say seriously to be honest. Trash the lot of you.

Sorry r128. your post was sound.

I meant to address my comments to r127.

I have no respect for “Della” because she’s a cunt. Shows up on threads as if she owns them. Never has anything interesting to say but appears to believe everyone is agog at her derivative, unoriginal bullshit anyway.

Perhaps the “you’re all racist” shitheads would care to share the methodology they use for sorting out the “racists” from those who simply dislike her character.

Come on...show your workings, idiots. Since you apparently believe you have some magic ability to discern racists through a screen, please share.

And that includes you, “Della”, you boring, tedious, virtue-signalling old bitch.

I've debated you reasonably ably, r130.

I made assertions and gave examples to support those assertions.

You've not done that once during our correspondence.

All you seem to be able to do is cast aspersions with no evidence at all.

Oh, and those of you complaining about the cost of the renovations, perhaps if you actually bothered to read the facts and not tabloid headlines (though I doubt you have the intellect to process more than half a dozen words at a time) you might learn something.

Sorry R133, you peddle opinions dressed up as fact, like so many ignorant people in the world today. If you can't come with receipts, don't come at all.

"UK Guy" at R134

Where do you think the Sovereign Grant money comes from, exactly?

Does it grow on trees?

Detail to me where it comes from.

Oh, they have been shown links explaining the renovation costs repeatedly, they just don't care.

R113 - I don't have you on block. Why would you get that idea? I don't even know who you are. Though I do know you're an idiot.

R136 - read the site I posted the link for, it explains it all there, isn't learning fun?

I know r137. I should have cut "UK Guy" (who is no doubt a fat American frau) off when it laughed at the idea of treating staff well.

I'm not clicking your pozzed link, you lunatic frau.

You know so much about it that I'm sure you can educate us all about it.

Which, of course, I doubt you can.

UkGuy again, not the poster you are interacting with but as a woman, cupping a pregnant bump can be a tender joy. Believe me. And with most women it is.

But with Meghan it seemed a different story:

1) Her continual coat flicking to draw attention to her bump while "working" came off as artifice.

2) The hugging of her bump in the middle of official royal duties translated as artificial intimacy: feigned at best, a distracting tease away from the events at hand. There is a time and a place for bonding with the growing baby. In the middle of public responsibilities with cameras and potentially millions of eyes observing the action, it begins to take on a creepy undertone.

So completely understand the other poster's comment.

R141 - you're beyond help then. You sound mentally ill, to be honest with you. Waste of time talking to you - I don't see the point in trying to discuss anything of substance with stupid people on the internet. I didn't think you'd read the information on the site - people like you don't like facts, to be proved wrong, or have their deep-seated hatreds challenged. I pity you.

So, no evidence for your assertions, r143, just more ad hominems?

Got it.

When I think of Meghan, I think of an avocado in a white fedora sitting in the middle of an empty tennis stadium.

[quote]Why would you get that idea?

Because she can't keep her sockpuppets straight, but also can't keep track of a conversation on this thread, even with you and Della signing your posts. Or maybe she just assumes that because she has a bunch of sockpuppets, everyone else does, too.

It is exhausting because the hater having a meltdown will start a conversation with one account, follow up with another, then follow up with yet another, then act as though we can't see what she's doing.

I'd say that explaining this to her is a mistake because it might be teaching her how to sockpuppet better, but she's done this for so long I don't think anything could help her.

I love Meghan threads. So many racist trolls to block.

R142 aka WOC - again, this is all opinion. I never once interpreted it as creepy, attention seeking or anything else. Someone who is constantly scrutinised and watched all day every day and has their every gesture over analysed and criticised wants to cradle her baby bump and you draw negative conclusions? Seems like you're the one with the problem. Who are you to decide that 'there is a time and a place' for that? Is it doing anyone harm? Why on earth would it bother you so much? Do you also complain loudly when someone dares to breastfeed a hungry baby in public? You seem like that sort of unpleasant person.

[quote]I have no respect for “Della” because she’s a cunt. Shows up on threads as if she owns them. Never has anything interesting to say but appears to believe everyone is agog at her derivative unoriginal bullshit anyway.

Seconded, R132

R144 - I provided evidence (which you didn't, and refused to look at) so there is really nothing more to say to you. I am very concerned that you are a danger to yourself and others as you seem to lack basic reasoning and comprehension skills yet are clearly unsupervised by a responsible adult. Glad you're nowhere near me.

r142 gets it completely.

“Thanks, they don’t make it easy.”

I promise you that if a white woman had said those words in that same situation I would think she was a delusional, entitled, self centered jerk as well.

“Thanks, they don’t make it easy.”

I promise you that if a white woman had said those words in that same situation I would think she was a delusional, entitled, self centered jerk as well.

Okay, well, after seeing that Della has only posted once, and that the crazypants having a meltdown has mentioned her several times in threatening ways, I'm inclined to agree that we're dealing with a mental illness situation here.

[quote] [R142] aka WOC - again, this is all opinion. I never once interpreted it as creepy, attention seeking or anything else. Someone who is constantly scrutinised and watched all day every day and has their every gesture over analysed and criticised wants to cradle her baby bump and you draw negative conclusions? Seems like you're the one with the problem. Who are you to decide that 'there is a time and a place' for that? Is it doing anyone harm? Why on earth would it bother you so much? Do you also complain loudly when someone dares to breastfeed a hungry baby in public? You seem like that sort of unpleasant person.

Instead of providing insight, interesting counterpoints, witty comments or thoughtful reasoning you immediately go on the attack, Ukguy.

That tells me all I need to know.

Done. I'm out.

Save your ignorance for your personal interactions. Don't waste our time here.

So.. is Celebitchy slow at the moment, r148, r154?

[quote]You need to get your facts straight. He's accused of raping an underage sex slave and also traveling to another country to do those things (that right there is a BIG FUCKING DEAL)

Of course it is, but it's not pedophilia, which is why I couldn't figure out what the crazies were saying early in this thread when they decided I had called Elton a pedo, when I had in fact said the opposite.

The same people who tried to call me a homophobe for being mean to Elton later went on and implied pretty nasty things about Elton themselves, and called him all sorts of names, and didn't exactly correct those who DID say he was a pedo because of that Nan Goldin photograph. And you tried to move the goalposts; when it was obvious I didn't unfairly call Elton a pedo, you decided to try to claim I said raping an underage girl was no big deal, but I didn't do that, either, so your attack didn't really take off.

It's pretty obvious they (and you) are just spewing whatever they think of in the moment, regardless of logic, because this is all about an uncontrolled emotional rage directed at a famous person they hate because of racism and politics and jealousy.

[quote]I'm not clicking your pozzed link

Jesus fucking christ.

For those who don't know, "pozzed" is not only referring to HIV status, but it's an alt-right term that those scumbags use for supposedly liberal news links. That is, they're metaphorically saying that news sources they don't agree with are liberal and therefore infected with HIV.

Here's a radio host asking an expert what carbon of-setting means and getting no clear answers.

So "pozzed" is now "alt right"?

Give me STRENGTH

This is the fucking problem with having so many fraus on the site. We all said "pozzed" when I was coming up. It was partially to take the sting out of it. The fraus don't understand.

Actually, Della's posts on fashion are fun and she has on more than one occasion winced in her posts at Meghan's and Harry's pooly managed public personae.

And as far as Meghan's bump cradling went, it really was OTT and her behaviour onstage as her wedding dress designer accepted an award, moving slowly to centre stage just as the designer began to speak, looking straight out at the audience and doing the double bump cup, was beyond cringe-worthy. Meghan has a problem with self-importance, limelight seeking, and narcissism. It comes off her like smoke. And yeah, she's mixed race. Mixed race people are allowed to be scheming golddigging narcissists, too, instead of constantly being reduced to nothing more than their DNA.

And Andrew didn't have sex with an underage sex slave. He had sex with a 17 year old, and 17 is the age of sexual consent in New York. Paedophilia means sex with a child, someone under 12 or so. Whether or not he forced her to have sex with him is another story, but if she was a sex slave, she was Epstein's sex slave, not Andrew's.

As I said on another thread, this makes Andrew a dirty old man of low character and quetionable morals, but it doesn't make him a paedophile. And strictly speaking, as said, she wasn't underage.

Andrew is going to come in for a great deal more bad press and embarrassment, but that's all. Absent a grand jury indictment in New York, he won't come in for anything else. And I wouldn't hold my breath on that indictment.

Both Andrew's peccadilloes and the Sussex's bad judgement and holier-than-thou preening expose just how vulnerable the BRF as an institution is. Andrew is the Queen's son and who knows whether she recognises the role she played in raising a man of such poor character. Maybe that's why she's going to church so often these days.

But the BRF and that includes Harry and Meghan, should learn fast from these episodes that they live in a very fine but very fragile glass castle. And if they don't learn that, they may be very unpleasantly surprised down the road to find how quickly that glass shatters.

This was the Daily beast article on the Frogmore work - published before it was quietly published that the renovations were going to cost at least another 500,000.

[quote]We all said "pozzed" when I was coming up. It was partially to take the sting out of it. The fraus don't understand.

First of all, you were already revealed to be a troll on the Gavin McInnes thread, pretending to be both offended by him and then later defending him.

Second of all, the link is right there with the definition of "pozzed" meaning "liberal". Back in the 1980s and 1990s, one ever called some inanimate object "pozzed" and would NEVER have used "pozzed" in this manner.

For those who won't click the link, "pozzed" by the alt-right means "Figuratively, any person or institution that is socially liberal... These leftist social attitudes spread like a plague and prevent the host from reproducing effectively."

It's a homophobic term by far-right bigots for liberal ideas. Full stop.

And you know what? You're just angry you got caught, you alt-right piece of filth.

You guys have a history of accidentally slipping in these Meghan Markle threads and giving the game away. You'd spend 100 replies saying it wasn't about race and then go off on a rant about "the mulatto," for example. And that was when sockpuppets were running wild around here, so what you would do when you got caught was FF your own thread with sockpuppets until it shut down and/or disappeared, then come back and try again with a new thread, this time crying censorship.

Sometimes you'd go so far -- like you did with the homophobic "pozzed" comment here -- that a mod really would step in.

You're alt-right bigots defending Proud Boys on other threads. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. Hopefully people will read this and get a better understanding of the Meghan Markle haters and why they're here.

What? r164 I asked how on earth he has a wife was American Indian, you asshole.

Here's the thread. I'm poster 19. https://www.datalounge.com/thread/22481301-proud-boys-founder-gavin-mcinnes-shunned-by-neighbors

My comment was: "Wait? His wife is Native American? wtf what am I missing here?"

At no other time did I comment.

Try again, bitch.

Why do you Megstans need to lie all the time?

The fact that the only way you can defend your girl is by making things up about others says it all.

And, by the way, r165

I've never used the term "mulatto" in my entire life.

You Megstans can't 'win' without lying, can you?

I usually agree with Della in most cases, but will politely disagree in this case. I use my quota of FFs every day on racist and anti-Semitic posts. For example, some poster on one of the threads referred to Meghan as a 'mulatress'. FF the first time I saw it, and I circled back the next day to FF it again. The majority of the posts in these threads are not racist, and it's disheartening that anyone who admits they don't like the Duchess of Sussex is racist. I don't know the sex, color or nationality of anyone on DL, other than we they tell us (which could be untruthful).

I've actually defended Meghan in the past over some issues. I grew to dislike her over time, for her behavior. In this case, on this thread, I'd say Harry, Meghan and Elton John are all fools.

To elaborate: Prince Andrew has shown himself to be a sleazy man and shifty operator. I'd be willing to believe he wasn't aware of the full scope of Epstein's activities early on. But he continued to socialize with him even after he was convicted. He didn't just screw up, he "doubled down".

I posted on another thread that I also feel like Meghan has "doubled down". I know there's no comparison, but she's made one PR gaffe after another, then another. MOre recently, the Wimbledon debacle, and the Vogue nightmare (where she requested the assignment herself). These private jet flights are equally Harry's fault, too, though. To be fair: there's no reason to single her out for something they have in common.

R169, thank you.

Harry is more annoying because he seems to really believe his own bullshit. Plus, he seems so very dumb and childish.

Meghan seems profoundly mentally ill. It’s easier to have sympathy for her. I just wish she’d stop forcing her delusions in the rest of us. Can’t she go away and be quietly crazy somewhere?

I do feel sorry for Archie, not least because he’s been saddled with the most white trash name ever.

I will add: if the stories are true about MM being literally abusive to staff, then no sympathy for her.

I can’t wait for the tell-all books in about 10 years.

Della -

Who thinks Markle dresses brilliantly? Like the too tight outfit (replete with holes, no less) at the Lion King premiere?!

Bahahaha.

And who also thinks Markle brings her A game? With disasters like British Tennis and preening baseball appearances?

Come on?

As the other poster said, she shares Markle's OTT arrogance, dropping in to provide "derivative, unoriginal stuff."

Whew! I'm exhausted reading all of this. Thank You, r169.

I made a mistake in my post at r123.

I stand by every word, however, as I have in other posts within the BRF threads, I should have, and meant to, use the word "some" when pointing out that a portion of her detractors are bigoted. That can't be denied and if you do, you're not to be taken seriously.

On her own merits, or, lack of them, in her performance as the Duchess of Sussex, there is much ( too much) to be legitimately criticized and to do so doesn't mean you're a bigot or racist.

As r162 has accurately pointed out, I haven't held back from criticizing when it's, imho, merited. The DoS HAS made some major mistakes; self inflicted ones that you would think she'd know to avoid making.

Still, I can't articulate it, but, when I do read the posts of some of her critics, the ring of, hell, the overt presence of, bigotry is unmistakable. I too blocked the poster who used the word "mulattress" in describing the DoS.

Again with the “but...but...but...I didn’t mean EVERYONE is racist”, Della?

Yes, you did. Not even classy enough to own your own shit. Bore off.

[quote] Still, I can't articulate it, but, when I do read the posts of some of her critics, the ring of, hell, the overt presence of, bigotry is unmistakable.

So “overt” you can’t quote any of the posts in question or articulate why the “bigotry” is “unmistakable”?

English. Do you speak it? Because you’ve basically contradicted yourself in one sentence.

Let me help you out. You can’t point to anything racist because very little is. Yeah...the “mullato” prat, that most of us blocked anyway. Other than that, you’ve got nothing. But that doesn’t prevent you hauling your considerable bulk on the the thread and accusing everyone of it anyway.

I think you want people to be racist - because that gives you an opportunity to pat yourself on your fat, over-fed head and glory in your imagined superiority.

I’d tell you to go fuck yourself if I wasn’t already aware that you’re stuck having to do that anyway.

The cartoon at R76 is a hoot.

Sunglasses on Archie too.

The fedora.

The sandals.

And the labels on the luggage.

[quote]The majority of the posts in these threads are not racist

The majority of the Meghan Markle haters are racist, even if only a fraction of their posts are.

Datalounge's format is such that it's difficult to see who wrote what. These trolls are taking advantage of that. In this thread, for instance, someone who made a racist comment later complained bitterly that people unfairly called Markle haters racist, and now you guys are agreeing with them.

It's not about articulating what you feel, it's about literally just using the ignore trick and seeing for yourself that the Meghan haters are also posting pro-Nazi, racist, homophobic stuff here and on other threads. You can empirically prove this by simply putting the person who wrote the "single" racist reply on ignore and watch as 20 replies disappear. For whatever reason, you just don't want to do that.

UK Guy and anyone else arguing with the anti-Meghan freaks in this thread, or any royals thread -

Don't bother. If F&Fs were working they would have spammed your posts to oblivion by now and you wouldn't be able to post at all. All it will do is angry up your blood and help the trolls to masturbate.

They are unhinged, mentally unbalanced freaks, and no amount of arguing or defense will change their minds. All the little details, the overly-long posts that they feel inspired to gleefully write, their use of belittling nicknames for Meghan and Harry - they have mental issues.

Just F&F (and hope it works again soon) and block these threads as soon as you see them (there's been at least four about Elton defending them since that happened a day or two ago) and let the idiots flame themselves and amplify their hatred and hopefully they'll all die of outrage, shitting themselves in front of their families and friends.

People don't want to put others on ignore because if they do then 90% of these threads disappear. If you put the "half breed" and "she doesn't look even remotely black" and "pozzer" posters on ignore then there's no thread and hey THAT'S NO FUN so instead all the old Dataloungers say "well not everyone is racist" and want us to sing kumbaya so they can pretend like only a single mean nasty troll is causing problems. I don't even know why because one psycho on this thread is one missed dose away from ending up on CNN Breaking News.

[quote]Meghan seems profoundly mentally ill

this is just crazy talk! No she doesn't. Why can't we have a real royal gossip thread that is about actual gossip and not full of weird creepy fantasy nonsense?

R99 - Highgrove was renovated for the Prime of Wales-the next in the line of succession, the future king. Frogmore, for people who will never be close. Can you spot the difference? Do you remotely get how hereditary monarchy works?

Does anyone else watch those “Secrets of” documentaries on Amazon Prime? Secrets of Westminster, Secrets of Althorp, etc.

One of the episodes was hosted by a Duke, maybe it was the Duke of Marlborough.

He was explaining how the British system of primogeniture where the eldest son gets almost everything and the younger brothers are left to largely shift for themselves as 1) incredibly successful at preserving these vast country Estates, and 2) incredibly damaging for family relationships.

It was an interesting point: how primogeniture is incredibly successful at preserving family wealth and perpetuating huge country estates but at the cost of good relations between brothers.

I had never thought of the emotional damage and family unhappiness that a system like that would cause

Oops, wrong thread

Younger brothers? How about the plight of daughters in any birth position, including being the eldest child, who are left to marry well or starve or depend on the kindness of their younger brothers OR the cousin or next relative who gets the estate because there were no male heirs?

Highgrove was purchased by the Duchy of Cornwall, whose revenues are Charles's, Duke of Cornwall, by birthright, and it was the Duchy that paid for the renovations, not the Sovereign Grant. It is a private, not an official residence, nor is it part of the Crown Estates - taxpayer funds were not used either to purchase it or renovate it. It is open to the public during times when the PoW is not in residence.

It is not, therefore, comparable either to Frogmore Cottage or Kensington Palace or Buckingham Palace, all of which belong to that curious category, the Crown Estates, owned neither quite by the monarchy nor by the government, but supervised by the government and comprising many official residences of the royals. Any revenues generated by the Crown Estates (e.g., by the tourists who go to Frogmore HOUSE [not Cottage] in the summer, are returned to the State to help replenish the Sovereign Grant.

So, no, Highgrove House was NOT "renovated for Prince Charles". As he stewards and is the head of the Duchy of Cornwall, he used those revenues to renovate. Those revenues derive mostly from land management.

So Highgrove doesn't figure in any argument about "who it was renovated for".

You can use that about the Cambridge's apartments in Kensington Palace, or the renovations to Buckingham Palace, but not Highgrove. And, by the way, the Queen paid personally for the renovations to the Cambridge's country home, Anmer Hall.

The argument re Frogmore is that it is the Sussex's only and therefore "official" residence. But the fact remains, Harry is way down the line and $4 million is a good deal for someone that far down the line. It was probably also privately argued that since the Sussex's got such a disappointing residence, with no official one in the capital, indulging them re renovations was a soothe their "disappointment".

Because no one in possession of his faculties could really suppose that that undistinguished dump was what Meghan Markle had in mind when she snagged Harry. She wanted to be Kate Middleton: huge official residence in the centre of London and a beautiful country estate. In the event, she got neither.

Frogmore renovations were £2.4M. The total expenditure for the Cambridges and the Sussexes were $5.05M, meaning the Cambridges spent about the same amount as the Sussexes for the year.

Total costs for maintenance and renovation for all royals for the whole year was £67M. (I previously said £83M, but that was for the entire public expenditure, not just renovation and maintenance.)

The costs for Frogmore weren't excessive by any standard. You're just beside yourselves with anger because of who lives at Frogmore, not because of the costs of renovations there.

[quote] The costs for Frogmore weren't excessive by any standard.

Megsy and Harry's delusion and grandeur rub off on their freakish fans.

R187 Stop talking about things you don’t understand.

Only the most profoundly stupid person could possibly make the claim that £3m is fair expenditure for a five bedroom house.

You could knock it down and start again for a fraction of that.

It doesn’t matter what proportion of the expenditure it represents (not something you understand anyway) - it’s that it’s excessive and the multimillionaires contributed not a penny themselves.

You can keep screaming racism all you like, it doesn’t make it true. Either copy and paste specific posts in support of your claim or bugger off back to your shelf-stacking job, you clueless cretin.

It’s quite funny that she asked to move into Windsor Castle and got stuck in a dump so unimportant it was used for staff.

Her Majesty The Queen knows how to deal with morons who got above themselves. Kudos to her.

r189 that article details that the Sussexes DID contribute money themselves, as well as paying for all the furnishings. The cottage was previously renovated to house Windsor staff, so it was five small, separate apartments. They had to convert it back into a single-family home. They don't "own" the building, so it's kind of pointless to complain about renovations made to the building itself. Plus, the renovations were ALREADY scheduled to happen, as it's a heritage building.

They aren't going to knock down a 19th century Grade-II historical home. Older historical homes are also going to be more expensive to refurbish, especially since it involves knocking down walls and moving fixtures to turn it into a single-family home. I can't find any proof that the cottage itself is only worth $3m as you keep saying, but that's kind of irrelevant when it's a listed historical home.

[quote]Sir Michael Stevens, Keeper of the Privy Purse, who is responsible for monarchy's accounts, said of Frogmore Cottage: "The property had not been the subject of work for some years and had already been earmarked for renovation in line with our responsibility to maintain the condition of the occupied royal palaces estate.

[quote]"The Sovereign Grant covered the work undertaken to turn the building into the official residence and home of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their new family.

[quote]"The building was returned to a single residence and outdated infrastructure was replaced to guarantee the long-term future of the property.

[quote]"Substantially all fixtures and fittings were paid for by Their Royal Highnesses."

The fact that you keep cherry-picking details and facts - ignoring the ones that don't fit your claims that "Sussex = Bad!!" is telling.

The Queen is a poorly educated moron who continues to protect Rapist Andrew.

Why should the British taxpayers support Rapist Andrew?

If the useless BRF continues to protect Rapist Andrew, it's time to get rid of the BRF.

No, R192 - they contributed NOTHING to the renovation costs. That £3m is the amount we’ve forked out.

If they paid for some things, then that was over and above the £3m WE ARE PAYING.

Why are Markle’s fans so thunderingly stupid?

Read this slowly, R192...

The figures we’ve been quoted represent the contribution of the tax payer. No where in that article does it say that they paid towards that amount, you illiterate moron.

If they paid for any fittings (and as Tom Sykes says, that basically means Papa paid) then it was over and above the amount we tax payers have contributed.

See? Even for a dimwit like you, it’s not all that hard to understand.

Have a looooooong think, petal.

r194 you just said they didn't pay for anything. But they did.

[quote]It doesn’t matter what proportion of the expenditure it represents (not something you understand anyway) - it’s that it’s excessive and the multimillionaires contributed not a penny themselves.

They clearly DID pay for some things - the furnishings and any fixtures that were beyond what the grant would cover. They are just living there - they do not own it. It is a historical home. The costs are not unusual, and especially not considering that Wills and Kate's apartment renovations cost 4 million pounds.

I've never disputed the amount that was paid out of the grant, but you keep strawmanning that as if you're claiming that I did. I'd suggest you read my words more closely, but you're all clearly mental cases.

You also keep pretending like it's any random home in England, not a 200-year old Grade II Heritage home located on a royal estate. Why are you in such thundering denial about your unhinged freakish hatred for this couple, which you keep claiming has NOTHING to do with racism?

I'm deeply distressed what a racist cunt R18 is.

I actually think Frogmore Cottage is pretty cool. I haven't really posted any comments about it, other than mischievous comments about those mysterious tunnels. It was used as a retreat by Queen Charlotte, and later Queen Victoria's Munshi, Abdul Karim, lived there, and later still, Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna of Russia. It's a Grade II listed house worthy of preservation. I'm a great believer in historic preservation. When the move to Frogmore was first announced, the consensus seemed to be that the Sussexes were being exiled and punished. Now, more recent reporting indicates that the Sussexes wanted to move to Windsor. I have no idea if either story is true. I have no horse in this race. If I were to live there, I would pursue bog and water gardening. And I would hope that there are still lots of frogs: I like frogs.

uR192- And if you believe that the Sussexes paid "substantially" for all the fixtures and furnishings "themselves", think again. They paid for it with money Charles doles out to each of his sons to supplement their mediocre income from their trust funds, about $400,000 p.a. BEFORE standard UK taxes. He gives each son a very, very large "supplement" each year so they have incomes more like Princes and less like successful solicitors. If Harry had paid for all that, he wouldn't have had much left for anything else.

The key is in the word "substantially", which admits, well, not all of those furnishings and fixtures . . . it's Charles who paid for those, just as he did for the "furnishings and fixtures" at Kensington Palace, which was also "scheduled for renovation" when the Cambridges were given the "apartment".

Harry's own independent income after taxes would just about pay for the nanny, their personal staff, his cars, his polo ponies, his wife's extravagant taste in jewellery and wardrobe (although Charles pays for a good bit of the latter, as well), etc., etc.

And Frogmore may be a Grade II listed building, but no one cared about it before, tourists aren't coming to visit it, it remains undistinguished and "scheduled for renovation" could have meant some time next century.

This is the Palace PR putting the best face possible on the sixth in line and his wife living off the fat of the land. End of.

R191 - Really? She could have fooled me. Apparently, she doesn't know how to raise children, only horses and dogs, and hasn't the nerve to speak up and read relations like Harry and Andrew and Sarah Ferguson and Diana the riot act until it's too late.

She should have told Harry to take his grifter back to the West Coast and marry her in one of those Elvis Chapels in Vegas.

R198, I think Frogmore is pretty cool, too. Being a regular person, I’d be perfectly happy with it. A big old renovated house in the park of an historic castle? Yes, please.

But I’m cursed with the ability to be content with less. I have sufficient.

This latest is hilarious. It’s like having your grandparents show up at recess to tell your classmates “Stop picking on my precious Fauntleroy, you trashy little hooligans!”

Not helping.

Seriously R202! Reminds me of..........

That is a PERFECT analogy, r202 and r203

Who cares what Jess Hobag thinks? Get that she is trying to score points with Megsy, but with the pics that get run, she just looks like the trashy secret lover.

'Buying furniture ' is probably stretching the truth a little. The Royals (and Senior Govt Ministers) get to 'Borrow ' furniture and paintings from The Royal Collection. As FrogCott is part of Crown Estates then they can do the same.

Prince Charles has quite a hoard of it at Clarence House.

Harry and Meghan are fuck ups. Just like Andrew and Fergie are fuck ups. People are going to talk about them because they like messes. They could help themselves by not providing fodder for the masses.

R206 - At least Charles probably has a good enough to eye appreciate them -Meghan and Harry probably let the Soho designer tell them which ones were the highest status amongst those they were allowed to choose from. And, Harry's gran and great-grandparents (which is to say, the Queen Mother, who also had a good eye - she was, after all, painted by Sargent) put together one of the most renowned private collections in the world - and they aren't part of the Crown Estates, although the Queen would likely leave them to anyone but her son to pass down to his son, and William to his son, etc., etc., as stewards of the collection.

Meanwhile, the tabs are taking off after the Harkles mecilessly, with photos of their (third) nanny in three months, listing all the people who have quit their household, with editorials about how "contributions" don't offset carbon emissions already emptied into the atmosphere, whilst the Harkles are being defended only by other celebrities, which actually makes matters worse for them, as those defenders simply nail their "celebrities not royals" flag to the mast.

There's a small bit in the TIMES today stating that there's a movement afoot to force the royals to reveal who is paying for trips like this one.

Ffs, she's on maternity leave and she's managed to generate more bad PR off the radar than she did on it.

What is HM thinking, I wonder?

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Errrr......Harry and Meghan buy this shite.......

R193 - The British taxpayers aren't really supporting Andrew, who no longer has an official role and carries out only limited public engagements. He has a trust fund, just like Harry and William, and is worth about $75 million. And he also DID pay substantially for renovations to Royal Lodge, per an official agreement. As for the Queen protecting him - what would you like her to do? She isn't actually protecting him actively, she's probably as disappointed and disgusted as everyone else, but what did you picture her doing? Cutting him out of the will? Refusing ever to speak to him again? She's fond of her grandchildren through him - she's probably also thinking about them in connection with how she treats him.

He was already deprived of his position as British Ambassador for Business after the Epstein story began to leak. There really isn't much else the Queen can do. He's her son, his children are her grandchildren, she's not the justice system and frankly, her hands are pretty much tied here both emotionally and officially. She's kept her mouth shut, as usual, which she pretty much has to do, because she's also protecting the monarchy itself - and I wouldn't be surprised if the latter were of more concern to her than Andrew.

She is at fault: she has a known aversion to confrontation of any sort and to be seen to "interfering" in the personal lives of her relations through her higher rank. But she should have. She should have told Charles before he proposed to Diana about her doubts about the girl; she should have reigned in Sarah Ferguson much earlier and not given them Sunninghill Park; she should have told Charles to back her up in telling Harry that Meghan Markle was totally unsuitable and that if he wanted her that badly he should leave the BRF and follow her westward.

The Queen got Diana's and Meghan's number pretty early on. She's shrewd about people in some respects. But she hasn't got the spine to back her fairly astute judgements up with her children and grandchildren.

And she spoiled Andrew because he was the child of a new start in her marriage after a bad patch.

All of which is to say - she's just another flawed parent and grandparent, like the ones we all had.

R210 Nice! Super classy. That huge print of the race car driver will go great with Harry’s collection of beer mirrors.

And this detachable block print, R212, one of Harry's first gifts to Megs.

Harry's pose in the OP's photo is perfect for rimming.

Prince Andrew spent more than £7 million of his own money refurbishing Royal Lodge, including installing a swimming pool and a driving range - he is Charles's younger brother the way Harry is William's younger brother. As it is, there was an outcry when the Queen gave the newly married Yorks Sunninghill Park, despite the fact that the Queen purchased it personally from the Crown Estates, to which it originally belonged. And that was in 1986, long before issues arose about Andrew and Sarah.

Charles's private country residence was renovated with revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall, which is to say, Charles's private income; Anmer Hall, the Cambridge's country home, was renovated at the personal cost of the Queen - only the Cambridge's 21-room official residence in Kensington Palace was renovated with taxpayer monies, and that was also criticised, but at least Kensington Palace is a historic landmark in central London some of which is open to the public and therefore generates revenue that will go back to the Sovereign Grant.

The Cambridges are the future Prince and Princess of Wales and KP is landmark Palace in London that generates revenue. Harry is sixth in line, no one is ever going to pay to see Frogmore Cottage. He is the Prince Andrew of this generation whether Meghan Markle likes it or not. The BRF should have been smarter and just given them a residence that didn't need so much work, God knows they've got plenty of them. Or Charles and the Queen should have seen this coming and just paid for the renovations themselves, God knows between them they've got the money.

The idea that Harry and Meghan paid themselves for a refurnishing that probably cost well into the six figures and thus nearly half Harry's annual post-tax income, driven by a woman who expected the best of everything (rugs, tile, furniture, painting, decoration apart from artwork, kitchen fittings, upholstery, etc.) is ludicrous.

Their cheques may have had their signatures on them, or their household financial officer's signatures, but the funds came from Harry's father, leaving Harry to enjoy his real income as he pleased. If even 25% of the real furnishings came from Harry's own private income apart from his father, I'd be surprised.

The Harkles have made a staggering mess of things from the word GO. They've built an image not of noble leaders of the Progressive Call To Wokeness, but as petulant, tone-deaf, trendy hypocrites who want to have their cake and eat it, too.

And they've also covered the Cambridges, smart enough to realise what lane they belong in and to stay in it, with a contrasting golden aura of The Right Sort of Royals.

It's shocking how stupid Meghan and Harry have been, but the odd thing is, many of us saw it coming from way back: threatening the UK press a year before the engagement, then the "Vanity Fair" cover article . . .

As a friend of mine glumly said once about troubled relationships,"The clues are always there. Anyone who says they didn't see it coming is lying."

“... driven by a woman who expected the best of everything (rugs, tile, furniture, painting, decoration apart from artwork, kitchen fittings, upholstery, etc.)”

Feeling a bit shady in here. ;-)

Ordinarily I would assume that it was Harry who had purchased the photo of a race car driver printed on metal, but since it was purchased off of Etsy I’m guessing it was her.

I loved it when Harry gave a parenting speech on how to parent before he even knew anything about being a parent.

Reggie Dwight (a.k.a. Elton) has a hilarious grudge against the British media because they found out that he & his husband, Furnish, are using hookers.

Elton immediately went to court to gag the media - even though they’re public figures, so the media should be free to publish this.

Everybody on DL knows that Elton is using Bel Ami rentboys - it’s funny that he’s too ashamed to just admit it and own it. But Elton wants to keep up a pristine Mother Theresa image, so he gags anyone who even broaches the subject that he hires sex workers.

Elton apparently now hilariously considers himself a ‘media victim-martyr’, just like Diana - simply because the media correctly stated that he hires Eastern European blonde hookers. This is why Elton is “jumping” to dimwit Harry Mountbatten-Windsor’s defence - because he thinks he (Elton) and Diana’s progeny are in the same boat. But they’re not. No one gives a heck who Elton hires for sex - but trying to gag people from stating the obvious is becoming a hilarious losing battle for Elton.

R218 Did Elton John get one of those superinjunctions that the British elite can buy to protect their reputation? I always thought those were ridiculous.

R219, as far as I recall they got a regular injunction - but in Britain even regular ones are quite wide-reaching: "Even English or Welsh citizens who name John or Furnish [and their escapades with sex workers or frolicking threesomes] on social media could be subject to prosecution."

Can all the Markle obsessives fuck off to their own threads and leave us to cunt on Elton?

Does he pay his rent boys generously, I hope? Someone has to know.

Er....moron? It’s a thread about EJ leaping to Markle’s defence. It’s right there in the title, you uneducated cretin.

Piss off and start your own thread about the abuse of teenagers, if that’s what excites you.

[quote]Reggie Dwight (a.k.a. Elton) has a hilarious grudge against the British media because they found out that he & his husband, Furnish, are using hookers.

Why does Furnish allow this?

Furnish was reportedly hooking up with at least 2 guys himself, R223. It seemed like a swinger arrangement:

[quote] “The Enquirer reports that lawyers for [Elton] say he knew about [Furnish's] relationship [with British businessman Daniel Laurence]. According to Laurence’s account, Furnish had unprotected sex with him at least twice (an allegation [Elton's] lawyers deny in the report) and Furnish joined Laurence and husband Pieter Van den Bergh in a [...] threesome that involved cavorting in a kiddie pool filled with olive oil.”

Meanwhile, Elton was spotted with Bel Ami blonde-bombshell sex worker, Dolph Lambert, from Moravia, Czech Republic.

Queerty: "Apparently Elton is a longtime connoisseur of Bel Ami’s beefcake orchards, having thrown exclusive 'parties' for the young men when he performs in Bratislava [Slovakia]."

Isn't Furnish worried that Elton is going to dump him for one of these hot, young playthings? I hope he's got some kind of legal financial agreement in place to protect himself.

Elton is 72. He became a father for the first time aged ca. 63 and then the second time aged ca. 66. With these stats - he ain't leaving Furnish. Because Elton knows he may not be around for long and he decided to play daddy way too late in his life. He needs his 2 small offspring (both look like they're Elton's biologically) to have at least 1 surviving parent living with them constantly if Elton suddenly kicks the bucket or needs to be carted around in a wheelchair soon.

R221 - The title of this thread clearly makes it a MM thread.

R228 - I hear the Thread Police pounding on the door!

Off to the Gulag!

So many racists on here.