The Tatum O'Neal thread got me thinking...I don't think I ever seen a thread on DL on Paper Moon. LOTS of DL-ish things/likes/topics in that film: Tatum O'Neal, Ryan O'Neal, Madeline Kahn, wonderful soundtrack, wonderful cinematography. What think you, my fellow DLers?
I loved Paper Moon when I saw it in theaters in 1973. Loved it on TV, loved it on cable TV, loved it on VHS and DVD. Don't love it as much now because I've seen it too many times.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | August 19, 2019 1:44 PM |
One of my favorite movies. Terrific performances by everyone involved. Tatum O'Neal was a wonder, and Madeline Kahn was both hilarious and heartbreaking. Bongdanovich really captured the starkness, sadness, and isolation of the 1930s depression era.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | August 19, 2019 1:47 PM |
O'Neal is good but was apparently just parroting what she was fed from behind the camera.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | August 19, 2019 1:47 PM |
It's a great movie. It's fun watching Tatum steal the movie from her father. It's also fun watching Madeleine Kahn steal the movie from everyone else.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | August 19, 2019 1:47 PM |
Yes. Madeline speech on the hill is Oscar-worthy
by Anonymous | reply 6 | August 19, 2019 1:52 PM |
R6 She was nominated for her performance, but the Academy loved Tatum more.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | August 19, 2019 1:54 PM |
Yes, it's a perfect film of its kind, and holds up beautifully, perhaps because as a 30s film made in the 70s, it was already timeless. And all the performers were at their very best: Ryan was never more beautiful, Tatum was never as cute, and Madeline brought all her pathos and comedic genius to the role of Trixie. Even the small roles are perfectly cast: P.J. Johnson, who played Miss Trixie Delight's maid, was wonderful. It's the only film she ever acted in. And of course the beautiful and brilliant black-and-white cinematography by Lazlo Kovacs also sets the film apart. The 70s was a great era for American film-making.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | August 19, 2019 1:57 PM |
Tragic that Tatum never got the chance to actually play Scout in Mockingbird.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | August 19, 2019 1:58 PM |
Tatum even admits that she was an excellent mimic, and that's what her performance in Paper Moon was. But it's very entertaining mimicry, humorous yet also touching, and there aren't many 9-year-olds who could have done what she did.
I agree with others who say it's timeless because it was made in the '70s yet captured perfectly the Zeitgeist of the '30s. I think this was Bog's last really great film.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | August 19, 2019 2:20 PM |
Peter Bagdonavich (don’t know spelling, sorry) was a master at capturing that era, and being accurately understated. I hate movies made in the 70’s/80’s that pasted modern sensibilities onto earlier eras. Especially puffy hair!!! I also am a fan of The Last Picture Show, which also has great performances. PB has a vision and knows how to get his actors to share it. I revisit both these movies annually and always see something new as well as having a different experience as I age. My distain for Cloris Leachmans character has transformed to great empathy!
by Anonymous | reply 11 | August 19, 2019 2:26 PM |
Why did you disdain Cloris’ Character?
by Anonymous | reply 12 | August 19, 2019 4:42 PM |
R8: could not agree with you more. I man and DLer after my own heart...
by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 19, 2019 4:45 PM |
Tatum was just phenomenal. Sad she got into hard drugs. A friend of mine used to get high with her. She looks amazing still considering how badly she road the white horse.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 19, 2019 4:57 PM |
[R12] what I perceived as her weakness. Because I was twenty and not empathetic to aging people wanting and needing love.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | August 19, 2019 5:31 PM |
One of my favorite scenes (of many...) in Paper Moon:
Imogene : You know the little white speck on top of chicken doo-doo?
Addie Loggins : Yeah.
Imogene : Well, that's the kind of white I think miss Trixie is. She's just like that little white speck on top of old chicken shit.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | August 20, 2019 9:35 AM |
A perfect movie. One of my all time favorites. Tatum gives the best performance ever by a child. She deserved Oscar (though probably for Best Actress not Supporting).
In any other year, Madeleine would have won.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | August 20, 2019 11:14 AM |
Lucky the O'Neals (Ryan, really) stayed away from that Peter Bogdanovich disaster At Long Last Love. Bogdanovich liked using the same actors in many of his films, like Robt Altman did, and I believe he wanted Ryan for the lead role eventually played by Burt Reynolds. His career would have ended much sooner.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | August 20, 2019 2:17 PM |
"Yes, Miss Trixie. Yes, Miss Trxie."
by Anonymous | reply 19 | August 20, 2019 2:56 PM |
“This little baby just got to give winky-tink!”
by Anonymous | reply 20 | August 21, 2019 2:44 AM |
The loved it and love Tatum O’Neal
by Anonymous | reply 21 | August 21, 2019 2:52 AM |
Tatum is a cute and phonetically pleasing name. I wonder why there's not a generation of little girls named Tatum.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | August 21, 2019 8:10 AM |
R17 That was an interesting year for the supporting Actress category. Odds-on favorite was Linda Blair for The Exorcist. Everybody was shocked at how talented she was, especially the control she had over her voice. Then a week before the ballots were mailed out, Mercedes McCambridge threw a fit and it was revealed that she was the voice behind Regan. McCambride was then given credit both on and off-screen. The timing of her announcement killed Blair's Oscar chances, thus the Award went to Tatum, (deservedly in my opinion as well). And I also agree she should have been lead.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | August 21, 2019 8:18 AM |
That's an interesting observation R22. I agree. I now want a new pet to call Tatum. Or a dude....
On a complete other note, Paper Moon is before my time but I am a Madeline Kahn fan fan fan. I think she was a joyful sad difficult funny girl. Not even totally wise to her own joke or gift. Dead serious about it all. A bit like Gilda Radner that way. Not easy people to know or love. Madeline had that fantastic singing ability that wasn't quite a legit soprano so she only leant it to novelty songs and comic performances. What a damn treat she was. Maybe one of the most honestly funny people ever. Just a lovely talent.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | August 21, 2019 8:40 AM |
The book it's based on, Addie Pray, is a book I must have read dozens of times. I also loved the movie and watched it several times.
I think the second half of the book (not included in the movie) would make a spectacular movie on it's own.
Or Hollywood could churn out a crap version.
You never know.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | August 21, 2019 9:18 AM |
Agree it's a terrific book.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | August 21, 2019 9:23 AM |
Tatum is going to be at The Chiller Show in Jersey in October. I'll be getting "Paper Moon" signed by her.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | August 21, 2019 9:27 AM |
R20 I’ve been using that line since I saw the movie as a teenager in 1974.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | August 21, 2019 9:38 AM |
Me, too R28. We must be about the same age...
by Anonymous | reply 29 | August 21, 2019 9:42 AM |
In 1993 Paper Mill Playhouse did "Paper Moon" the musical. Gregory Harrison was Moses, Christine Ebersole as Trixie, Natalie DeLucia as Addie and Chandra Wilson as Trixie's maid. Variety liked it but The Times didn't. It was supposed to go to Broadway and the marquee was up at the Marriott Marquee Theater but it never made it.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | August 21, 2019 9:43 AM |
The oddness of the name “Tatum” was part of her appeal at the time. I love how the movie looks - like it has a cool Instagram filter on it.
My favorite line: “Then GIT IT.”
by Anonymous | reply 31 | August 21, 2019 9:44 AM |
R29 ‘Fraid so. I have such great going-to-the-movies memories from that time - Billy Jack, American Graffiti, all the disaster movies. Good times.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | August 21, 2019 9:47 AM |
Loving our deep-dive O’Neal threads. What is it about them?
by Anonymous | reply 33 | August 21, 2019 9:52 AM |
Madeline was, and is, a GODDESS
by Anonymous | reply 34 | August 21, 2019 9:55 AM |
They're attractive and hot messes. That's a spellbinding combo.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | August 21, 2019 9:57 AM |
I never paid much attention to the O'Neals until reading these recent threads. So I went to YouTube and watched some of the Tatum and Ryan reality show. Well, that Tatum excretes an inappropriate obsession with her father. She simpers and pines for him and agonizes over how he's going to treat her next. It was sick and jarring. Meanwhile, Ryan could give a fuck, despite his protests to the contrary. It was/is the same push/pull dynamic you see in passionately dysfunctional romances between 20-somethings.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | August 21, 2019 10:22 AM |
Of course she pines for him. She wanted a Dad and he didn't have the ability to be one.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | August 21, 2019 12:06 PM |
R24, is English your first language? "On a complete other note, Paper Moon is before my time" Have you ever heard of television, DVDs or Netflix?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the short lived 1974 Paper Moon TV SERIES with Jodie Foster as Addie, and Ryan's old Peyton Place classmate Christopher Connelly as Moses.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | August 21, 2019 1:13 PM |
R36 Typical behavior of an adult victim of child abuse. Growing up thinking they've done something wrong to deserve their parent's neglect and/or violent treatment, they spend their adult lives trying to atone for it. It's all very sad.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | August 21, 2019 1:16 PM |
R24 ohhhhh yeaaahhhhh....... talk about forgettable.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | August 21, 2019 1:16 PM |
R38 I remember it. It wasn't very good. Although Christopher Connelly was a hot daddy. I just recently found out he died 31 years ago!
by Anonymous | reply 41 | August 21, 2019 1:17 PM |
Wasn't good, R41? IT WAS DREADFUL.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | August 21, 2019 2:34 PM |
It looks like they tried to imitate the movie too on the nose.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 21, 2019 2:42 PM |
Great, evocative song and performance by Gillian Welch.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 21, 2019 2:44 PM |
This Sunday. Do a double matinee of Paper Moon and What's up Doc. Bagdonavich was on fire in the earlly 70's! These two movies are both so good. And fuckin' Ryan O'neal was so fuckin' hot. Shirtless in boxers in a lot of What's up, Dock! I've never felt more gay than when I watched Whats Up, Doc!
by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 21, 2019 3:06 PM |
What happens in the second half of the book not in the fil
Who wrote the screenplay?
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 21, 2019 3:12 PM |
R46, check out O'Neal in The Thief Who Came to Dinner (1973). The movie seems to have been made so Ryan could go through it shirtless. It's a terrible movie otherwise.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | August 21, 2019 3:16 PM |
[quote]It's a terrible movie otherwise.
Just terrible? Not DREADFUL!?
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 21, 2019 3:39 PM |
I don't have much of a DVD collection, only about 20 movies I like to revisit a few times a year. I just realized Ryan is in three of them: Paper Moon, What's Up, Doc and Barry Lyndon. More than any other movie star.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 21, 2019 3:55 PM |
Barry Lyndon! TOTALLY forgot about that flick. Gorgeous photography/cinematography - but other than that, not too great a movie. Music was OK (if you like 18th Century marching music and flutes
by Anonymous | reply 51 | August 21, 2019 4:11 PM |
Totally off topic but how in the fuck is Wilfred Brimley still alive?! (See r27’s link)
by Anonymous | reply 52 | August 21, 2019 4:43 PM |
My brother and I loved Paper Moon when we were kids in the 1970s. When we found out it was going to be a TV series, we were so excited. Then we watched it and we couldn't believe how much it sucked. And for R49, it was DREADFUL!
by Anonymous | reply 53 | August 21, 2019 4:48 PM |
Yes, R51. they should have had a Springsteen score for that one.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | August 21, 2019 4:59 PM |
[quote]otally off topic but how in the fuck is Wilfred Brimley still alive?!
He was never as old as he looked. He was only 50 when he shot "Cocoon" and not even old enough to be in the senior community.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | August 21, 2019 9:23 PM |
" I wonder why there's not a generation of little girls named Tatum."
Maybe because it's an ugly named (and it is). And I don't think many people would want to name their little girl after an obnoxious, druggie Hollywood brat.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | August 21, 2019 9:36 PM |
Ryan O'Neal was so gorgeous, but every time i see him , I can't stop to think that he probably killed Farrah Fawcett by giving her the HPV, which turned into the Anal Cancer, which killed her, because she couldn't bear the idea of living with a colostomy bag.! It's traumatizing to imagine Charlie's number one Angel, pooping in a ziplock bag the rest of her life, but at least she'd still be alive!!!!
(sigh).
by Anonymous | reply 57 | August 21, 2019 9:38 PM |
Here, abWW for you r57!
by Anonymous | reply 58 | August 21, 2019 10:22 PM |
r52 WILFORD, not Wilfred.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | August 21, 2019 10:58 PM |
Jesus, could Jodie Foster be any more butch?
by Anonymous | reply 61 | August 22, 2019 12:28 AM |
^ yeah, she was like a boy, a overly actorish little wind-up boy
by Anonymous | reply 62 | August 22, 2019 12:39 AM |
"What happens in the second half of the book not in the fil(m)?"
In the book, they up their game and start doing more sophisticated cons. They make more money and travel in wealthier circles.
They meet an infamous con artist (based on a real life big time con) who involves them in a scheme to defraud a wealthy old woman who has a missing presumed dead granddaughter that Addie impersonates.
I'm not going to post spoilers. I could see given the change in their circumstances and the complicated plot involving the old woman it would be too much for one movie. Also, by that point Addie is in her early teens.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | August 22, 2019 2:19 AM |
I hated this film. It helped garner Tatum O'Neal a very undeserved Oscar just because she was a snot-nosed child!
by Anonymous | reply 64 | August 22, 2019 2:23 AM |
I don't know how well a movie version of the book "Addie Pray" would go over today. It's about a con artist and his little girl accomplice who may or may not be his daughter; the two of them roam around, fleecing people out of their money (during the depression!). Their "Bible" scheme involves fleecing WIDOWS, for God's sake. Mose looks in newspapers for recent obituaries and shows up at the widow's house saying her husband had placed on order for a Bible embossed with "gold lettering", especially for her, but there's still a payment left, so would she be so kind as to pay the rest of the money owed? Some fall for it, some don't. One poor woman weeps and falls for it hook, line and sinker; old Mose charges her double what he usually asks and she pays it willingly. The poor woman (who is crying tears as "big as horse turds" the foul mouthed Addie notes) gives Addie some home made gingerbread and tells her that once she had a little girl like her, but like her recently deceased husband, she "went away too." They get back in the car after their big score and Addie starts to have a strange feeling she's never had before...REMORSE. Enraged that she's actually feeling regret for what she and Mose normally do, she throws the gingerbread out the window and starts cursing a blue streak, cursing the poor widow. Mose simply comments that she ought not talk "thataway." It was a VERY disturbing scene. Later on they get involved in an elaborate scheme to fleece an elderly old woman out of her fortune. Would this be considered funny these days? I don't really think so.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | August 22, 2019 3:06 AM |
It's the best acting Tatum O'neal has ever performed. (Which is sad, really) She won, because the movie was very popular and had rave reviews. Plus, clearly there was a book that the public loved (I didn't know it was an adaptation of a book ) Bogdonavich was the hotest director next to Mel Brooks at that time. It was PR and marketing that is responsible for her winning.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | August 22, 2019 3:22 AM |
I have to admit I've never seen the full film Paper Moon. I was such a Madeline Kahn fan that I would just watch her scenes, which are brilliant. One time I tried to watch the film from start to finish (years ago) and I got impatient and just skimmed to Kahn's scenes once again.
I believe now is the time for me to watch it in it's entirety. I've grown much more patient with films as I've grown older.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | August 22, 2019 3:57 AM |
Just wanted to throw out another mention for PJ Johnson as Imogene. She was never going to get nominated like the other two (although she did get a NSFC Supporting Actress mention), but I think it's such a funny and poignant performance. Her timing with some of the dialogue is impeccable, especially the zingers, and she also has a natural weariness on her face that is very moving. A beautiful portrait of what life was like for a young black maid during the depression, that didn't have to be glum or completely depressing to make a point.
Loved the ending for her character. Sad she never made another movie.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | August 22, 2019 4:21 AM |
In Tatum’s bio, she mentions a sequel called Nickelodeon or something. It was made but never released.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | August 22, 2019 4:25 AM |
Nickelodeon most certainly was made (by Bogdanovich) but it has nothing to do with Paper Moon.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | August 22, 2019 4:33 AM |
PJ Johnson was indeed great. Wonder what she’s up to today?
There is something creepy about the premise of a grown man traveling around with a little girl. I guess they got away with it because it was so heavily implied he was her father. Nowadays we’d all be thinking the worst.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | August 22, 2019 4:39 AM |
Single dads everywhere are appalled at what was just stated
by Anonymous | reply 72 | August 22, 2019 4:41 AM |
R67 ! This why I said to watch on a sunday morning with a cup of coffee. Wine ruins movies for me. I start getting impatient, too. I discovered that I loved watching old movies on sunday mornings with coffee and brunch, a blanket and pillows. It's my church. The pace is deliberate. The cutting of the editing was inspired by silent films and it's reflective of Little Rascals shorts,( if you've ever seen them.) It's black and white for this reason. (more homage to that era) . If anything, take some adderall and watch this movie! You'll love it!
by Anonymous | reply 73 | August 22, 2019 4:43 AM |
"Later on they get involved in an elaborate scheme to fleece an elderly old woman out of her fortune. Would this be considered funny these days?"
Considering how that particular scheme plays out, people would not have a problem with that today nor would they have in the 70's. Remember, Paper Moon was released during the Watergate era and there was plenty of interest in seeing every day corruption as opposed to the nicey-nice Hays Code version that was imposed on Hollywood back in the 30s. The book and movie especially made a point of saying that the majority of times Mose and Addie were preying on the stupid and greedy--people who thought they were going to get something for nothing. Instead they got fleeced.
There is a "Robin Hood" undercurrent to the story. In the book, Mose is passing himself off as a farmer and they have a truck that they load with grain and other props to make themselves look legit. When the truck gets full, Addie makes Mose drop off the grain, etc. at sharecroppers' cabins along the way.
The film "Nickelodeon" was released and it bombed. It had nothing to do with the Addie Pray book or the characters therein. It was about the very early days of Hollywood and surely it was greenlit because of Paper Moon since it starred Tatum and Ryan O'Neal and it was a period piece.
I was very disappointed in it.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | August 22, 2019 5:41 AM |
I love that there are other people in this world who like this movie. When I was in film school, in the 90's, I brought up this movie up to my fellow students, and was met with blank stares. It bummed me out! But, to be fair, a fellow student was passionate about Bob Fosse's "All that Jazz" and I had no clue what she was yammering on about!
by Anonymous | reply 75 | August 22, 2019 6:08 AM |
Loved it when it came out and I was a kid, but haven't been able to bring myself to watch the DVD I bought in a fit of nostaligia years ago--too much melancholy, I think.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | August 22, 2019 6:20 AM |
No one named their kids Tatum because Tatum sounds like the Aldi store brand version of Tato Skins.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | August 22, 2019 6:40 AM |
Is Tatum the singular of Tater?
by Anonymous | reply 78 | August 22, 2019 7:41 AM |
Tatum won because Hollywood loved her performance - pure and simple. She was charming and funny and touching.
There was no campaigning back then and almost no PR efforts. And she was only 9 so there wasn’t much she could have done anyway.
Same with Anna Paquin in The Piano. She won because voters thought she actually deserved it.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | August 22, 2019 11:15 AM |
Has that ever happened to a child of color?
by Anonymous | reply 80 | August 22, 2019 12:32 PM |
What, an Oscar? Yes, Quvenzhané Wallis.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | August 22, 2019 1:39 PM |
PJ Johnson was not an actress, she was one of the locals Bogdanovich hired - there were many in the film, which was a great idea because they were so natural and real looking, such as the store cashier Addie cons with the $20 bill.
"There was no campaigning back then and almost no PR efforts"
Untrue. Studios bought "for your consideration" ad in the trade papers to push actors for nominations.
"Plus, clearly there was a book that the public loved"
Untrue again. No one (or nearly no one) had heard of the book before the movie.
"Bogdonavich was the hotest director next to Mel Brooks at that time"
Ha ha! Bogdanovich was grouped with real artists of the "New Hollywood" in the early 1970s like Frances Ford Coppola (The Godfather) and William Friedkin (The French Connection), not Mel Brooks (???) . In fact, Bogdanovich, Coppola and Friedkin formed a production company called The Directors Company. Paper Moon was one of the films made for the ultimately unsuccessful company.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | August 22, 2019 2:21 PM |
For your consideration ads in Variety did not win Tatum her well deserved Oscar.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | August 22, 2019 3:02 PM |
Tatum winning. Her asshole parents didn’t even bother to attend the Oscars with her.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | August 22, 2019 3:07 PM |
Daddy was in Europe making Barry Lyndon, Mummy was probably passed out on the floor. Tatum went with her beloved grandparents - Ryan's. Funny when they showed nominee Candy Clark in the audience, they got the wrong woman.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | August 22, 2019 3:20 PM |
Sadly, the last good film Peter made. And fuck off, "Mask" is not a good film.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | August 22, 2019 3:28 PM |
[quote]Untrue. Studios bought "for your consideration" ad in the trade papers to push actors for nominations.
C'mon if you are old enough to know about the "for your consideration" ads you know that was the extent of it. They didn't "campaigns" have screening and dinners where the stars would mingle and go on every talk show on the air. She made the cover of Rolling Stone in July '73 because people loved her performance, The Oscars weren't until the following April '74.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | August 22, 2019 4:28 PM |
You are correct, R87, there was extensive promotion to Academy members in addition to those ads.
"She made the cover of Rolling Stone in July '73 because people loved her performance"
Um, no. Tatum made covers of magazines because publicists made it happen through Paramount's PR machine. It wouldn't have happened unless the movie was a hit and there was interest in the star. These magazine cover stories do not happen randomly because someone is "liked."
by Anonymous | reply 88 | August 22, 2019 5:17 PM |
R82 = Sylvia Sidney
by Anonymous | reply 89 | August 22, 2019 5:40 PM |
R84 I remember that night, being around the same age as Tatum and slightly envious of her. That little tux was so chic, caused quite the sensation. I thought she was terribly sweet and poised. Who's the old coot guiding her at the end of the clip?
by Anonymous | reply 90 | August 22, 2019 5:44 PM |
I liked Mask. It was more or less a made-for-TV script, but well done.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | August 22, 2019 5:45 PM |
Mask is a terrible movie with a bad performance from Cher. The kid's face looks like a homemade Halloween effort. Laura Dern is lovely in it, but I'll bet she's not proud of it. She's a real actress, not the convenient blind chick.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | August 22, 2019 6:10 PM |
Yes, it is the PR machine which gets people on the covers of Magazines.
I worked in that world for a short time and finding out how it works was fascinating. They have major lead time before mags come out. It takes Months and months. They know Angelina Jolie will be on their cover 6 months in advance, because they need the time to sell as much advertising as possible. At Vanity Fair, you'll notice a cover with say, Jennifer Aniston will have more advertisements in it than say Zendaya (Or insert any up and coming actress with buzz). The mag will be physically thicker from all the ad pages. I always think it's funny when Vanity Fair is super thin, because it's obvious that the advertisers weren't impressed with who was on the cover.
Also Publicists will secure a cover for a big client, by offering other clients for articles (or covers for other mags owned by the publishers) or offer the big client themselves for other mags. Essentially, two for the price of one, deals.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | August 22, 2019 6:45 PM |
"The book and movie especially made a point of saying that the majority of times Mose and Addie were preying on the stupid and greedy--people who thought they were going to get something for nothing. Instead they got fleeced."
As I recall in the book they fleece whoever they think they can get money out of; not just the "stupid and greedy." The poor widow crying tears "as big as horse turds" was neither. Neither were the cashiers who got gypped. Mose and Addie were remorseless thieves, unrepentant drifters. And then there was the propriety of him using a little girl in his schemes and teaching her fine art of lying and stealing. Maybe in the seventies all this would be considered "cute" but I don't think it would be today.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | August 22, 2019 6:53 PM |
Thanks for posting the info, R93. Fascinating! Jack Nicholson was on the cover of time in Aug 1974, and I remember reading that his people were afraid it wouldn't make it because everyone expected Nixon would resign any day. That can happen with a news magazine cover.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | August 22, 2019 6:56 PM |
Bogdanovich's first wife Polly Platt was heavily involved with his early pictures. She even contributed after they divorced and he took up with Cybill Shepherd. Once they split professionally, his work was never the same.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | August 22, 2019 7:07 PM |
Platt helped produce Broadcast News, Bottle Rocket, and War of the Roses, among other well-known films. She also gave her buddy James L. Brooks one of Matt Groening's cartoon strips and suggested they meet and that Brooks produce a show based on Groening's work, an act which, eventually, led to the Simpsons. I think in some ways she was more culturally influential than Bogdanovich.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | August 22, 2019 7:10 PM |
It’s interesting O’Neal played a fictionalized version of Bogdonovich in Irreconcilable Differences. I’m guessing they didn’t end on good terms after working together.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | August 22, 2019 7:17 PM |
R97 Bogdonavich release and autobiography this past year, i think. Did you read it? Any good?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | August 22, 2019 7:19 PM |
Are you referring to this, R99? It will be out in a few weeks.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | August 22, 2019 7:35 PM |
I wonder if Bogdanovich's bio will be as self-serving as the Killing of the Unicorn (about the death of Dorothy Stratten) was.
I think Teresa Carpenter's Village Voice article on Dorothy Stratten is the best and truest account of her life and death.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | August 22, 2019 7:45 PM |
We had a thread on this interview earlier this year.
Bogdanovich had a brilliant streak that came to a near halt.
What’s most amazing about him in 2019 is his lack of self-awareness.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | August 22, 2019 8:57 PM |
A true classic though runs out of steam in final Act. Should have been up for Best Picture that year (instead of "Touch of Class", for one).
by Anonymous | reply 103 | August 22, 2019 9:05 PM |
It was like a father-daughter buddy movie. Sad to find out that he was basically a deadbeat dad IRL, too. Life imitates art?
by Anonymous | reply 104 | August 22, 2019 9:10 PM |
Who doesn't LURV the O'Neals, Hollywood's First Family. More more more!
by Anonymous | reply 105 | August 22, 2019 9:23 PM |
"Mose and Addie were remorseless thieves, unrepentant drifters. And then there was the propriety of him using a little girl in his schemes and teaching her fine art of lying and stealing. Maybe in the seventies all this would be considered "cute" but I don't think it would be today."
Isn't there a small adorable dog you need to destroy?
by Anonymous | reply 106 | August 23, 2019 1:47 AM |
I always assumed Bogdonavich was gay. He was so smug, pompous and such a shade tosser! And that neck scarf!!! He came across gayer than Jon Waters at times. (I wish they would do a movie together as two old gay queens and play the leads.)
But SHOCKINGLY, he is straight!!!! (eye roll) (raised eyebrow) (clear my throat) (powder my nose) (suck my teeth)
by Anonymous | reply 107 | August 23, 2019 3:15 AM |
Bogdanovitch was just short of shockingly unattractive, but didn't want to dress like the equally specific and homely Spielberg or Scorsese or Woody. They all have signature styles R107. But you're right about John Waters and Bogdanovitch making a great cartoon twosome. That's as far as it could go because Peter has no sense of fun or humor about himself.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | August 23, 2019 3:23 AM |
R108 You're right. If he had a sense of humor, he would be gay. No question. Cuz, he's halfway there.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | August 23, 2019 3:27 AM |
Bogdanovitch was OBSESSED with old movies in the 1970s. He even called movies "pictures," which went out twenty years before. I always figured he was trying to look the part of an old movie director, a director circa 1938. Or was trying to.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | August 23, 2019 3:38 PM |
Astonishing man, Ryan O’Neal is, thinking he serves credit for never sleeping with Tatum. He had enough warmth to pull her in though.
No wonder she never stood a chance.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | August 23, 2019 4:12 PM |
Oscars Rewind: A Charming Win Filled With Drama and Rancor....
by Anonymous | reply 112 | August 23, 2019 7:56 PM |
Ryan didn't accompany her to the Oscars because he was in England filming Barry Lyndon.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | August 23, 2019 7:58 PM |
If they make a sequel, it should be called "Cardboard Sky."
by Anonymous | reply 114 | August 24, 2019 2:54 AM |
Please, everyone uses the excuse that Ryan was filming Barry Lyndon for his absence at the Oscars.
He could have flown back for the event if he had WANTED to, he was a big star. And Barry Lyndon shot for 300 days so that makes it even more of a lame excuse.
He was pissed he didn't get a nom and Tatum did. period.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | August 24, 2019 3:20 AM |
Wasn't this all about 50 years ago? Who gives a rusty fuck.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | August 24, 2019 3:24 AM |
Is DL now 50% Ryan O'Neil posts? What the fuck?
by Anonymous | reply 117 | August 24, 2019 3:26 AM |
[quote]If they make a sequel, it should be called "Cardboard Sky."
I meant cardboard SEA, of course.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | August 24, 2019 3:27 AM |
P.J. Johnson also appeared in an episode of the Paper Moon sitcom and as Dairy Queen Waitress in Texasville, Bogdonovich's sequel to The Last Picture Show
by Anonymous | reply 119 | August 24, 2019 3:48 AM |
Has anyone seen Texasbille?
by Anonymous | reply 120 | August 24, 2019 3:49 AM |
Just popped "Paper Moon" in the DVD, for probably my 10th viewing. Tatum is so adorable.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | August 24, 2019 5:17 PM |
Part of it was the haircut. In the same way that short hair made the kid from "Fatal Attraction" extra cute.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | August 24, 2019 5:18 PM |