Owen Jones dramatically attacked and beaten outside pub

I think this person's response is most accurate:

Here a more likely explanation. You and your mates were behaving in an arrogant, noisy manner. On ur leaving, some really pissed of chaps who had had quite enough of you n your mates, popped outside and gave u a good slap. I doubt for 1min they knew, or cared who u were!

Who?

He's on the news talking about his violent assault, e.g. "journalist attacked!"

More clarification from Owen, which clarifies nothing:

What happened - to be clear - is they spotted me in the pub, waited for us to leave, and then launched their attack when we were away from the pub - it was planned, not a random attack. Quote Tweet Owen Jones 🌹

R1: He is well known (even outside the UK) and second, you seem to justify a violent attack which is all kinds of wrong.

Maybe you don't like him, but that's not reason to justify violence.

And i find curious that when a known gay is attacked there are always people looking for excuses even on gay sites

Every inch of that area will be covered with CCTV. I'm sure they'll know who did it in just a couple days and will probably find out more of the story. I'm guessing it's a little more complicated than what is being shared on Twitter right now

Who dat?

R4 it's not "justifying the attack" to point out that he has based his accusation of it being a premeditated attack on him by right wingers because of his politics and outspokenness, on assumptions and not fact.

It's just a bit rich/ridiculous.

Well, when you receive previous threats is understable to think the attack is based on that threats.

You are saying he was being obnoxious on the bar when you have zero proves of that

R4 Because very few of these incidents are what they initially claim to be. And we learned our lessons. It doesn't mean we don't believe we just exercise caution.

R8 I didn't say that, it was someone from his Twitter feed, but it sounds like a more likely explaination considering it was a bunch of guys attacking him at 3am outside a bar where he was just celebrating his birthday.

And his previous threat was from some vague creeper on Facebook a long while ago.

Two things are clear. The attack was wrong. Owen Jones is insufferable.

And you are . . .?

[quote]seems to be jumping to extreme conclusions.

"Extreme conclusions"? Hardly. He was targeted specifically and the far-right seem to be the only people who would bother to do that to him.

I suppose Blairites could be behind the attack, too, but that sounds unlikely.

As typically happens to leftists who participate in public life - eg, Corbyn, Sanders, AOC - Owen's been subjected to a campaign of extreme demonization, so that everything that he says is automatically discounted. The newest target of the rightwing hate machine in Britain is a mere child, the environmentalist Greta Thunberg.

But Owen deserves better. He is smart and eloquent. Remember how well-received his comment on Theresa May's resignation was on social media? That only happened because the video went viral with Americans, who were not acquainted with him, and therefore hadn't been trained to hate him yet, and were still capable to recognize his qualities.

Anyway, it's not surprising that the hate campaign against him in Britain spilled to violence in real life.

The UK is in no small measure a yob culture. They get drunk, they fight. It's far more yob than Downton Abbey. It is as likely - probably likelier - that Jones and his friends were randomly attacked because random assholes thought they were random prats. This is not unusual at 3 am on a Sunday outside a city pub. Regrettably, but that's England with too much to drink.

In my day, pubs closed at 11PM and it was "Time, Gentlemen, Please!" Now you can get pissed as a veritable newt over a longer period of time.

R13 Or it had nothing to do with politics whatsoever

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r16 A leftist who is constantly demonized in public is the target of an attack in which he is singled out in a hate-filled country with a hyper-active far right. Is it possible it was not a political attack? Yes. Is that probable, though? No.

Violence against gay men never happens the way you described at r1. Usually the attack is unprovoked. Gay men are not like straight men: they do not behave in an arrogant and aggressive manner in public, and the violence to which men like Owen and us are targeted is usually one-sided. And if anything, Owen is even a meeker than the average gay man. The little story told in r1 is ridiculous - it was produced just so trash like you can perform your fascist callousness towards other human beings without being criticized for doing just that.

You said above: "very few of these incidents are what they initially".

The opposite is true. You remind me how the Brazilian right desperately tried to deny that the murder of Councilwoman Marielle Franco was politically motivated, but now that suspects have been arrested, it is clear not only that they were acting out politically but also that they have a connection with the fascist president of their country.

These days, if it can be conceived of a criminal act or a terrorist attack that it was performed by the far right, it is wise to assume it was so.

Both sides of the political spectrum are entirely able to lose their shit.

R14 is Lady Colin Campbell

OK, that doesn't make any sense.

Oh, lord, that's even more bullshit.

[quote]Owen Jones has said evidence had emerged which “suggests political motivations” for an attack on him outside a north London pub.

[quote]Mr Jones, who is a prominent left-wing author and commentator, said he was attacked and kicked in the head by a group of men in the early hours of Saturday morning in a “blatant premeditated assault”.

[quote]On Sunday morning, the writer said evidence had come to light suggesting the incident, which he described as a "far-right" attack, was politically motivated.

[quote]Asked by the BBC if the attackers said anything to him, Mr Jones replied: “It is very difficult when you’re suddenly on the floor being kicked in the head...

[quote]“I’ve had evidence since, which I can’t discuss… which suggests political motivations.”

So in conclusion: He had no evidence, and still has no evidence, it was a "politically motivated" attack, but he's pretending he does because he's been called out for jumping to conclusions that a 3am attack outside a pub where EVERYONE has been drinking, is politically motivated.

He was looking quite good for someone kicked in the head just hours prior so I am so glad he's making a full recovery.

Has he proved yet exactly who attacked and exactly why?

r23 no, see the Independent link above as well as the quotes from it where he says he "has evidence that suggests" but won't name what it is.

You don't target the unknown. No one who gets in a fight down the pub has any idea who what Owen Jones bangs on about, let alone who Owen Jones is.

R27 but he has secret evidence that suggests things!

Bump

Good. I don't like the guy. If he comes out full in support of Buttigieg, I'd consider liking him otherwise fuck him.

Yawn. Owen is such an attention whore

Jussie part 3

Oh, I believe that he got attacked, but his insistence that it happened because he was being stalked and hunted by right wingers, despite lack of proof (and you know if he had some, he would be shouting it to the rooftops) I think is a bit of a stretch. He's clearly suffering from confirmation bias if he actually thinks that.

It's not the first time he was attacked. He's received a few black eyes in the past. I have to wonder why this incident is receiving so much attention and he's making such a fuss. Prior incidents he didn't want to talk about and neither did he press charges.

It's actually possible he can't explicitly say what was said, under police instructions, as they are still investigating. Obviously, this will become clear one way or another eventually.

R34 that probably means the prior incidents he was being a dink and someone popped him

R34 that probably means the prior incidents he was being a dink and someone popped him

God, it'd be really nice if a nuke dropped on Datalounge.

Has Jussie commented?

R38 is so violent

There's an interview now... no new information, I don't think.

R41 How the fuck is he a minority? Such a twat

I don't think he said he is a minority, he is talking about minorities get beaten up all the time and no one pays attention or something.

It's insufferably obnoxious, frankly.

[quote]The Metropolitan police said three men aged 29, 34 and 39 had been detained in connection with the incident after attending a police station in north London.

[quote]The Metropolitan police said three men aged 29, 34 and 39 had been detained in connection with the incident after attending a police station in north London.

One "attends" a police station? As if it were a concert, a movie, an opera?

Good, maybe once they're identified they can give a statement as to whether or not Owen's assumption that they attacked him over his politics and not because he was being a drunk asshole during his birthday drinkie-poo.

Anyone who says "drinkie-poo" is an asshole.

r47 you must be new here.

Six years now, r48.

Have a drinkie-poo and chillax, R47.

Drink poo, asshole r50.

[quote]Six years now, [R48].

You really don't remember the Friday Afternoon Drinkie-Poo Troll?

Oh, I do, r52. Idiot then, idiot now. Not all memes deserve to live forever. Nor are they loved by all, something that seems to elude you.

He's obnoxious when he's on TV. I can imagine him at 3am, drunk, celebrating his birthday achieving nuclear levels of obnoxiousness.

Owen Jones meek? Never.

[quote]Oh, I do, [R52]. Idiot then, idiot now. Not all memes deserve to live forever. Nor are they loved by all, something that seems to elude you.

You seem nice.

R53 seems very angry about something!

R54 exactly. Very punchable.

[quote][R53] seems very angry about something!

"Drinkie-poo" is anger-making.

Not even a little assault can stop Owen. His little penis doesn't stop him either.

His attackers have been charged.

[quote]Who dat?

He is DL's favorite Champagne Socialist.

Imagine thinking "champagne socialist" is a clever dig.

We all know that, if he were piss poor, you'd merely ever some other attack line.

I'll never forget the London Bridge attack, when he Tweeted that he and his friends were having great fun at a pub a mile away, and nobody should be afraid. Asshole. Yes, he's a champagne socialist and insufferable.

r62 Aw, you're such a victim!

Keep fucking that chicken r63

He had no qualms about going on vacations to Venezuela with Corbyn, Abbott, Burgon, etc, all sponsored by the genocidal Chavez regime under the pretense of being "international observes". Ask anyone part of the Corbyn elite about this and watch them block you instantly.

Remember that time Owen was harassing lesbians on twitter for not liking dick ("TRANSPHOBIA!!!!") and then he balked and started blocking people when a lesbian asked him if he would lick a trans"man" pussy? Lmao.

Corbynistas belong in a ditch.

r65 is one of those who whine about "THE GENOCIDAL CHAVEZ REGIME!!!!" but thinks it was hilarious when Pinochet dropped all those leftists into the sea from helicopters.

Owen doesn't like that the BBC referred to him as an "activist" rather than a "journalist".

R57 At least silly Owen's tweet acknowledges that the BBC staff are biased.

Being the pass-around bottom bitch for a pack of swarthy, sweaty Arabs seems to be his life's ambition.

He's not a journalist, though. All his stories are pushing his very specific agenda.

Does Oxford turn out many "socialists"?

It used to be Cambridge was the home of the Socialists and that most of the Socialists at Oxford were quarantined at Wadham and St. Catz.

But since wokeness has arrived... yes, unfortunately Oxford is churning out more Socialists.

Owen is right, and he made an excellent point about the heavy bias that British media have for the Tories. This is especially true for BBC. The BBC's Toryism is so blatant, even other establishment outlets, such as the Financial Times, have acknowledged it recently (see below).

As for whether or not Owen's a journalist, well, he's pursued stories, investigated facts, and done interviews. That's journalism. He's not objective but read some Nietzsche: absolute objectivity doesn't exist in human thought, we all think and speak from a pre-established standpoint. At best what we can do is work to reduce our biases by actively pursuing different cognitive standpoints. Then read some Chomsky: the standpoint adopted by the Western media are usually the same as that of corporations, intelligence agencies, and Western military forces.

Owen, at least, has the intellectual maturity to recognize this fact. You can tell he's someone who's very well read in history, perhaps philosophy as well. The average journalist isn't; the average journalist is a nincompoop and a mental dwarf. That's how journalists' faith in their own absolute objectivity can be maintained - by means of intellectual provincialism, which takes pro-corporate centrism and neoconservatism as some atemporal, universal position of neutrality, and their opposites - socialism, pacifism, isolationism, direct democracy, etc. - as ideological positions.

And can I say something, Owen's haters are the most grotesque people on Earth. You have the retard saying that Chávez government was genocidal, when the only instance of indiscriminate killing of civilians under his government was that perpetrated by pro-American coupmongers in 2002, who overthrew him; and you have a horny racist talking about "swarthy Arabs".

Ooooh, R73!. the most grotesque people on Earth! Well, I never!

[quote] most of the Socialists at Oxford were quarantined at Wadham and St. Catz.

LOL Jean Paul Getty went to St. Catz.

I wonder if half-witted homocons r32 and r39 plan on commenting on this story again?

Yes, r75, and? St. Catz is a large college. Modern build allows for that.

R66 I'm Venezuelan, you fucking imbecile. My family had to escape Chavez's (and now Maduro's) regime. But sure, go ahead and keep defending anything with the word '"Left" attached to it.

What's this, entire paramilitary forces backed by the Venezuelan regime and tasked with murdering, kidnapping and psychologically terrorizing the Venezuelan people? Obviously this is just CIA propaganda!

Anytime a First World Revolutionary ("Blanco mojoncito" as Reinaldo Arenas so exquisitely described them) tells you that Venezuela is not controlled by a violent regime, ask him or her the following questions: Have you ever spoken to a Venezuelan? Have you listened to firsthand accounts of what life is like in Venezuela? The embarrassing and hypocritical reality is that they spend all their time jerking each other off to far-left fantasies from the comfort of their Western homes, completely detached from the plights of "el pueblo".

[quote]Owen, at least, has the intellectual maturity to recognize this fact. You can tell he's someone who's very well read in history, perhaps philosophy as well. The average journalist isn't; the average journalist is a nincompoop and a mental dwarf.

[quote]And can I say something, Owen's haters are the most grotesque people on Earth.

LOL at the Owen fan girl fluttering her eyelashes.

Jones is a ideological partisan pious puritanical hypocrite who is blinkered to any criticism of his cause.

His relish at baiting Jews over Labour's years of Jew hate scandal (which now threatens to bankrupt the party) demonstrates his true self, as does his allying with overt Jew haters and conspiracy theorists who push the trope that Jews are manipulative, controlling and money obsessed.

The BBC Panorama show investigating Labour's Jew hate problem showed, amongst other things, low paid staff in the Labour complaints department discussing their mental health problems and the impact on them of repeatedly being exposed to with Naziesque images and comments being shared by Corbyn supporters. OJ ridiculed the staff members and the following day appeared on the BBC to represent Labour alongside another virulent anti semite and attacked the whistleblowers again.

Repeat - Owen Jones is not a nice man, and the people he choses as friends are not nice people.

Nearly a year now since one of the leading anti Brexit campaigners tweeted that OJ said it was fine to celebrate anti Jewish terrorism, and OJ threatened to sue.

I wonder why he didn't? He could have won tens if not hundreds of thousands in damages if he'd won his case, and set a precedent for Twitter defamation cases.

But he didn't sue, because he does celebrate anti Jewish terrorism.

Owen Jones: Trans women are 100% female and those fucking TERF cunts who say otherwise can choke! Women: Have fun performing cunnilingus on a trans man, Owen Owen Jones: What the fuck is this shit? I am being attacked right now

r79

Most Venezuelans blame US sanctions for the starvation in their country.

Paramilitary forces in Venezuela? Well, let's see, it was right-wingers who were murdering Venezuelan cops two years ago and burning black Venezuelans alive. If there are paramilitary forces scaring anyone in Venezuela, they're working for the opposition.

In fact, the opposition's figurehead, Guaidó, has been caught taking pictures with Colombian drug traffickers just a few weeks ago.

Owen Jones is a cunt.

I still wouldn't mind see his dick.

owen's = antifa scum

R85 Absolute BS. Let's take a look at the data, shall we? (click link):

- 1.5% of Venezuelans blame the U.S. for the current political and economic situation

- 65.5% of Venezuelans blame Maduro and his cronies for the current political and economic situation

- 85% of Venezuelans describe Maduro's administration as "moderately bad", "bad" or "very bad"

So again, you have no idea what you're talking about and are just regurgitating Russia Today headlines.

Colectivos are state-sponsored, far-left paramilitary groups tasked with terrorizing Venezuelans. Do you deny this? Do you deny extensive research conducted by human rights organizations that have reached these conclusions? Do you disagree with Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights? You are as delusional as a trumpster screaming "FAKE NEWS!"

You want to talk about FARC and state-backed narcoterrorism? Be my guest!

The Venezuelan regime is supported by the Kremlin, Beijing, Ankara, Damascus, Pyongyang and Tehran.

"Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are."

Awww, not my cute little blonde Brit buttboy. As long as they didn't hurt his face...

I've never heard of Owen Jones.

I hope he gets well soon.

His crack is probably naturally hairless and I imagine he keeps his hole very clean.

R94 is in a very envious position and the overwhelming majority of British people would prefer to have never heard of Owen Jones either

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Owen loves his trans.

He's a painful pimple getting fatter by the year.

Owen Jones likes to storm off TV sets if the argument is going against him.

As does this fellow socialist—

SkyNews presenters are all fascists.

Extinction Rebellionists are all childish hypocrites.

Jones having a hissy fit after being called out for his continued support for an anti gay Muslim woman who wants to be a regional mayor and has called being gay "a lifestyle choice".

Salma Yaqoob is a far left Jew baiting apologist for terrorism who has campaigned against Labour in the last 2 elections, in one case targeting the sitting Labour Muslim MP with misogynistic abuse.

OJ is still supporting Yaqoob even after a leaked audio recording was released with Yaqoob blaming the anti gay protests outside schools on the gay teacher who introduced the No Outsiders pro LGBT education programme for the homophobic protests.

He is a vile cunt will support homophobes if it benefits his intolerant left factional group.

Who is this guy again?

WTF was Britain thinking, letting in so many medieval, backwards people?

^ Britons have sympathy for the underdog.

So they let in the hordes during the 1950s and 1960s. And those Underdogs bred as through there was no tomorrow!

On the side of the trans and flogging a film called Seahorse or Seabiscuit or something.

R107 Is that the doc about a pregnant ‘man’ who wanted to be declared as being the father on the birth certificate?

Yes, that's the documentary, Seahorse.

The person, Freddie, had transitioned but kept their womb and other reproductive organs. They stopped taking hormones, they started getting periods again, got pregnant and had a standard vaginal delivery in a birthing pool.

Freddie had a son and uses he/him when talking about the baby.

The British courts ruled (rightly imo) that Freddie couldn't be listed as the father on the birth certificate. The prospect of having motherless children is way too Gilead.

R105. Some of those medieval people sneaking into England don't succeed.

You'd think people from hot climates might realise that cold trucks might kill them.

Owen Jones is still continuing to back Salma Yaqoob despite

1. her saying on tv that being gay is a lifestyle choice

2. blaming anti gay protests on the teacher who has introduced a programme to teach all kids about LGBT equality

3. spreading anti Jewish "Rothschild" conspiracies

4, telling a braying crowd that Jews in the middle east are European colonisers

5. conducting a misogynistic campaign against a muslim Naz Shah, including attacking her because she doesn't wear a headscarf

6. applauding a man who questioned Naz Shah's "pedigree" - Naz Shah's mother was sent to prison for murdering her abusive husband in self defence, and Naz Shah escaped an arranged marriage to her husband.

Read more on the woman Owen Jones is championing in the link below

His father's best friend was Jewish. Apparently, he and Owen were very close and the guy died about 5 years ago. I wonder how he'd feel if he were alive listening to Owen defend this anti-semite.

[bold]Three charged over Owen Jones assault face crown court date[/bold]

[quote]Three men charged with offences related to a late-night assault on Guardian journalist Owen Jones outside a pub in Islington, north London will have their case heard in a crown court. At a short hearing on Wednesday morning, a magistrates court sent the case to Snaresbrook crown court because the charges were deemed too serious to be dealt with by the lower court.

[quote]James Healy, 39, from Portsmouth; Liam Tracey, 34, from Camden, London; and Charlie Ambrose, 29, from Brighton, had been charged with actual bodily harm and affray.

[quote]In many legal jurisdictions related to English common law, affray is a public order offence consisting of the fighting of one or more persons in a public place to the terror (in French: à l'effroi) of ordinary people. Depending on their actions, and the laws of the prevailing jurisdiction, those engaged in an affray may also render themselves liable to prosecution for assault, unlawful assembly, or riot; if so, it is for one of these offences that they are usually charged.

Admissions of guilt from the perps.

“They kicked me in the back, I was knocked down, then they kicked me in the head and back,” Jones said at the time. Some of his friends were also hurt. “Three of them were punched, MY PARTNER WAS PUNCHED … They were only trying to defend me.”

Owen needs a burlier partner who can defend him in future.