GOAT: Simone Biles wins 6th National Title

OP, who is likely to be our Olympic Team? I know Biles can basically just show up and make it.

I saw Laurie Hernandez do an interview, but I have my doubts. She seems like she's tapped out of that level of competition.

R1

My guess is that it's going to be Biles, Hurd, McCusker and the fourth and alternate going to either Carey, Skinner, or Lee.

No way Hernandez makes it back.

I'm here bitches

I love her. What she did on the balance beam was amazing, but it was not clean. She has a tendency to wobble/bobble on the most simple elements, and it takes me out of the "moment" as it were.

That said, I'm eating sour cream and cheddar Ruffles with a coke as I type so what the fuck do I know?

[quote]That said, I'm eating sour cream and cheddar Ruffles with a coke as I type so what the fuck do I know?

To be fair, you were an Olympic Gold Medalist, even when you were eating that shit back then, Amanda. But yeah, we did carry your fat ass and would have won without you.

She often needs amphetamine to compete, I really can't buy her shit wholeheartedly. MEH!

I cheer for Simone. I think she's a very inspiring young lady. But I don't understand why she is allowed to compete with amphetamine (Adderall?) in her system.

R6 and R7 Back up guys. I'm taking a break from my chips and coke to ask is that really true? I have not followed gymnastics many, many (many) pounds ago, so I am out of the loop. Is Simone really taking Adderall? How is that allowed?

R8 she has a, "medical waiver."

Thanks R9. I am glad I know now, but I do find it disturbing. I wonder if she applied for this "waiver" today in light of all of the shit going down in the gymnastics world if she would still be approved.

Part of me thinks she should have gotten ahead of this story when she first started taking it (if it was indeed for legit reasons). Her not doing so, makes it look to me like she was being undercover/only if they find out about it. There is no shame in having ADD/ADHD, but I guess she didn't want everyone pointing at her as a cheat if she did a difficult and clean routine.

NOW, though it seems as though she is still getting pointed at when she does a difficult and clean routine (again I see she is a wobbler, and I have rarely seen a truly clean routine from her).

This is part of how Lance Armstrong (and other cyclists) got in the door with PEDs. He had a legit issue, got the medication, performed better, then got greedy. However he is a fucking sociopath, and I don't think Biles is at all, but she certainly has a strong competitive drive.

So, since I have been out of the loop, what is the consensus with other gymnast fans? Does she get the side eye now, or a pass, or...?

I'm not really in the loop either but I vibe that the majority of fans like her.

My issue is that sure, she's phenomenal in terms of what she can do and she's done all these skills and won all these medals so she gets to be called GOAT, however nobody puts it into context. She's not having to do what other athletes in the past have had to do, train and compete compulsories, entirely different scoring system, the equipment is far superior to what it was even just 10 years ago (making it much easier and safer to train difficult skills - floor gives you extra bounce, etc), age restrictions, and she gets to not focus on artistry or form, which everyone can agree, hers is atrocious.

And she gets to compete with amphetamines!

I love her powerful gymnastics, but let's face it, Simone has no artistry. Those wolf turns are atrocious to watch.

I want a return to beautiful, graceful gymnastics.

Thanks for all of the input. I thought I was just being cunty and fat, but she really doesn't have much artistry to speak of. It comes off as a lot of stomping around, sloppy mistakes (Hand down? Who cares? I put in an extra element!) cringey postures that don't hold form, etc., just so she can (possibly) stick a difficult landing. I've noticed that many of these "stuck" landings often involve a sideways hop disguised as an "I meant to do that" turn to face the judges or audience.

Let's be real. If she actually had to focus on artistry, form, and keeping her legs together and straight, she'd barely be pulling off double backs.

I find her delightful as a person, but I do take her accomplishments with a grain of salt due to the Adderall. It isn't really a level playing field. And imagine the amount of shit she would get if she competed for any country other than Murrica with that "medical waiver."

And to think I fucking lost my Gold Medal for taking a fucking flu medication that was prescribed to me by Olympic Doctors that had an ingredient that INHIBITS my fucking performance!!!

I take Biles' wins with a grain of salt as well, not because of the Adderall, but mostly because her dominance is largely in part to the change in scoring that allows her to compete really difficult skills, with atrocious form as mentioned, and a lot of the times no mastery of them. She can do a triple twisting double back, fall on it, and still easily win.

That wouldn't happen under the old scoring system. A fall was more serious than it is now. You were decimated if you fell and therefore, if you couldn't consistently pull something off, and cleanly, you couldn't compete it. Simone is given the benefit of knowing she can fall on her ass and still get massive points based on the value of the skill alone.

She's amazing. Gravity's got nothing on her.

Gymnastics has lost all drama with this awful new system (how you can fall multiple times and win a gold medal is beyond me). The only reason it's still so popular here is because America has gamed this new system and dominates, starting with Simone.

She's the greatest of all time, sure, ok, and yet I'd rather watch YouTube of Amanar, Shoushonova, Szabo, Dawes, Miller, Zmeskal.

Nadia was the last one with both strength and artistry.

Go fuck yourself, Nadia at R21.

You weren't shit.

Zmeskal, poor thing just can't catch a break.

I loved Boguinskaya. She could be artistic, alluring, and seductive while doing her gymnastics.

If I want grace, I’ll watch ballet.

[quote] , but she really doesn't have much artistry to speak of.

Which gymnasts these days do?

She throws incredible difficulty rather cleanly though.

[quote]She throws incredible difficulty rather cleanly though.

HAHAHAHA.

Boguinskaya was great, especially in that she started throwing more difficulty in the last phase of her career (during her comeback).

Funny that she was considered ancient and some thought it was ridiculous for her to return when she was 23, which is essentially the same age Biles is now.

R27, who do you consider better these days?

Her dismount is insanely difficult. That dismount, minus one twist, is one of the most difficult to perform. She adds a whole extra twist to it.

[quote]That dismount, minus one twist, is one of the most difficult to perform.

Yeah, and we were doing it 30 years ago, and without the atrocious form she has!

Sunisa Lee has better form and artistry than Biles does.

And as has already been explained, Biles is able to do these things because she doesn't have to spend any time focusing on form or artistry. Plus she has the added benefit of Adderall!

Imagine how great I would have been if I'd been allowed to compete with drugs!

Yeah, Kerri at R32, I imagine if you would have used drugs you would have been able to stay in the sport another 5 years and maybe would have been able to actually win at least 1 individual medal.

Jesus, your parents have to be ashamed.

At the last world champs the leading russian men were watching Simone competing in the floor final and were shown looking at each other smiling and shaking their heads in what looked like delight and amazement. One of them had was quoted as saying they feel inadequate when they see her on floor (I think it was one of their medal winners but can't remember for sure). When she bounces out of a tumble the commentators put it down to her power. Sure she's no dancer but at least she looks comfortable shaking her shoulders. Plenty of them can't dance. I'm looking at you Jade and Grace!

Shr’s utterly magical. Watching her, I forget to breathe.

Team Biles! If I wanted strength and artistry, I’ll watch porn.

The Russian Men wouldn't have to be in awe of Simone if they just got some medical waivers of their own!

[quote] Yeah, and we were doing it 30 years ago, and without the atrocious form she has!

Shannon Miller threw a double-double? When?

Re-read, R30, R38.

Simone Biles is also only 4' 8". Apparently she walked into a gym ( without ADHD meds) as a child and started copying moves other gymnasts did. She's got bigger muscles than the other gymnasts. She lost her mom due to her moms irratic behavior and drug use (possible ADHD herself). Whatever the reason for needing the meds, real ADHD or just help with chaotic life symptoms that look like ADHD (raised by grandparents, cray mom) her talent is there.

Would she not train as hard and get big muscles without the drugs? Would she not be focused on a goal? Would she go off and be a drug addict like her mother? Would she just be slightly out of bounds due to lack of focus? Little point deductions here and there?

Does Adderall really help THAT much? To where it could make or break an Olympic athlete? Really?

She's so cool. She's got that black girl smoothness black people are blessed with.

It obviously helps enough that it's a banned substance!

She should be disqualified from everything and have all her medals stripped!

Ok, take it off the banned list.

How come no one ever talks about MY accomplishments??!

Does Olga Korbut's pussy stink?

You know, I really think you could give Nadia, Olga, Kim, Dominique, Strug, Yurchenko, all of them as much meds as you wanted, nothing off limits and still could never do this.

Think again.

If they would have had the same floor with the same springs these bitches have today, AND were given drugs? Boguinskaya and Silivas probably could have done it.

They were both doing double twisting double backs in 87/88.

Yeah they should take all things deemed performance enhancers off the list if someone has a medical waiver for it.

She's a real [italic]#BaaaadAss

Simone is no Shannon Miller, who had it all, beauty, grace, athleticism.... violins, scrunchies!

R30 Silivas never did it a full in off beam

[quote]Plus she has the added benefit of Adderall!

Has anyone on this thread actually taken Adderall? I have. And I would say Simone's taking Adderall makes her accomplishments shine even more brightly, especially given the restrictive caloric intake someone of her size likely follows.

Adderall (I'm talking the drug itself, not any withdrawal or missed-dosage issues) often makes you shaky, both internally and externally. Yes, it does help with focus, but to claim it has some magical powers to enhance physical performance in people with the ADD/ADHD brain (which is wired differently from the non-ADD/ADHD brain), is to not understand either the ADD biochemistry or Adderall.

Yes, and what of someone that DOESN'T actually have ADHD?

Simone is nice and all but let's face it.... she's not me.

Yeah, Dom, she's nothing like you. Simone doesn't choke.

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very true however if the good old days, Simone would not have been as successful under the 10.0 system with some of her mistakes, she may not have even survived prelims some years and with her beam mistake in 15 and mistakes on beam and vault in 18, she would not have won

I'm well aware, R56. I said pretty much the same thing earlier in the thread. Simone would not have survived gymnastics in the 80s or 90s.

The Russian men have something Simone doesn't have -- grace and elegance. See the beautiful and stylish David Belyavskiy.

Zmeskal was hideous to watch

Kerri, at R59, if you want hideous you should have mentioned your amazingly awful floor routine in 1992.