Where's Ghislaine Maxwell?

This accomplice needs to be brought down. Her and the other assistants who got in on his plea deal.

The fact that they out there free to be and nothing ever happened to them is mind-blowing also.

The ones from this symposium are a riot

Suranne Jones will definitely play her in the tv movie.

What was she in it for? Money? Power? Sex? All three?

Mostly money given her scumbag father lost most all of his. So she had to go pimping for her supper.

You just haven't looked hard enough

Did Diana Jenkins ever cross paths with these two? Just curious.

Looks like she went to the Melania/Ivanka boob doc. When you're around these guys you gotta have big knockers.

The Washington Post says she's probably left for Europe, never to return, because she's known for a while that she's in serious legal trouble here. Don't know if she could get extradited.

sleeping with the fishes, like poppa

She definitely did it for the money, but she, apparently, was also doing it for the sex because one of the girls said she would have frequent 3 ways with her and Epstein. The sex involved strap-ons, no details on who was on the receiving end.

I want tht fukin bitch in jail asap, and put in Jeremy's cell...

Horrible evil person. I hope she at least sees some justice.

Luckily she sold her NYC townhouse last year.

She is in one of these countries

We always called her Gizz cause she liked pearl necklaces.

She fears for her life. She probably dumped her phone, withdrew a bunch of cash, and is in hiding.

So, she's in Montenegro? Or hiding in plain sight in Paris.

She’s probably hiding out somewhere in the UK.

I bet she’s hoping that any investigation that is going to happen now Epstein is out of the picture won’t turn its full focus on her.

Diana Jenkins, have not heard that name in a while. That book of photos had a lot of the same players, no?

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His name seems to be coming up a lot lately - CFR to boot.

CBS news seemed to insinuate this am that maxwell was in hiding but cooperating with authorities - I'm not sure if that's just pure speculation though.

Her father has long been rumored to be intelligene and she has a very curious skill set. The island was said to have submarine ports, no?

You could not make this stuff up.

How many rich people own or can pilot submarines?

Or give Stephen Hawking rides on it?

Hmmmm...

R25 There was this guy. He then tortured and killed a female journalist. A separate case no doubt, yet a very specific mindset it seems.

He was found guilty and convicted, in case you were wondering. OT over.

Hmm, DJ is from the same area as many of the victims of JE, no? Lucky Clooney, to go from cavorting with DJ, for uh, humanitarian purposes, to being blown by GM in a toilet. Charmed life.

Anyone starting to think humanitarian might be a euphamisim for something quite different? Sure does pop up in the oddest of contexts.

Blowing GC in toilets, looks a bit like his wife I suppose.

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References to GM being a fixer reminded me of this Clooney film.

Remember the tag line: The Truth Can Be Adjusted?

Tilda Swinton even won an Oscar portraying a piece of shit in that film!

^That's my favorite George Cloney movie. You're so fucked.

Not sure she is on land. She might be on international waters rather. Let's see how she talks.

Re R35's post. A good way to keep the oceans clean is to keep the Maxwell's floating corpses out of them.

Maxwell will surface in France, where she is a citizen. While France has an extradition treaty with the US, France DOES NOT extradite its citizens.

R11 That never happened.

If she's a French citizen, then she'll stay right there with Polanski and that French guy from Sweden and all the other pervs that will never be prosecuted.

She was his biggest victim! For years, he manipulated and controlled her every move with threats and intimidation. She was his slave, a prisoner held captive on his islands, and townhouses, and jets and forced to recruit employees because he made her. This women has been through hell and back. She should be allowed to live in Monaco in peace and not be tormented by vengeful reporters looking to make money off an innocent woman's tragedy.

R21 That article link is already dead.

She can even keep the business going with the yachts and all.

Bette welcomed her as a guest:

R42 France is a country full of "pervs". The French have a very different attitude toward sex and privacy than Puritan America. It might help to keep in mind that France's current President, Emmanuel Macron, started fucking his wife, his former teacher, when he was 15 and she was 40, married with 3 children.

^^^ R39, not R42^^^

R44 is quite correct about the French's "different" attitude towards sexual abuse.

What legal age of sexual consent?

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R47 The age of consent in most European countries, including the UK, is between 14 and 16.

That Himmmm post suggests that Ghislaine Maxwell is more central to Epstein's criminal empire than is usually shown and that she is now desperately trying to stage a 'suicide' so she can slip away and live quietly with the tens of millions Epstein gave her.

R50 That post is amazing, Medium hosts some really incredible literature these days.

The unnamed country must be Cuba?

Thx r26 it certainly sounds plausible. Juicy read whether it's true or not.

Nancy found her! Unfortunately.....

she'll be dead by the end of the year. Russia doesn't fool around with this.

Suicide no doubt, r55!

No wonder Leo's movie's flopping, if real-life shit like this keeps stealing Hollywood's thunder!

R26: According to the comments from that article the A-list actor might be Kevin Spacey.

^Wouldn't the obvious choice be his neighbor, Woody Allen, "actor, maybe director"?

Woody will jump out the window when the Feds arrive. Funeral at Frank Campbell to follow.

Actually, I won't miss Woody.

I didn’t know Epstein was all that close to Woody Allen.

Is there any evidence that Woody was guest on the island?

According to the flight logs Spacey was actually on Epstein’s plane, and that’s why his name is being mentioned.

I thought the A list actor could be Sean Penn or George Clooney..

Woody is on camera visiting the townhouse, but you're right he doesn't seem like the type to fly to an island.

One of the British rags parked out front one weekend and counted , I believe, 11 different girls coming and going in 1 day. All for Jeffery.

If only there had been a sign!

[quote]The age of consent in most European countries, including the UK, is between [bold]14 and 16[/bold]

Absolutely appalling.

At what age are you able to get a driver's license in Europe, or buy liquor and cigarettes? I bet you is not 14.

If you are not old enough to drive, you are not old enough to consent to sex.

18 for a driver's license and to vote. Some people take "accompanied driving" and can drive from age 16 while accompanied by an adult who can drive.

Cigarettes and alcohol, I can't remember... It's either 16 or 18, I guess.

And "informed consent" (to take part in a clinical trial for example) is - get this - 14.

for crying out loud

Un-fucking-believable.

Has anyone checked the bottom of the East River?

The Miami Herald has been doing some outstanding work on this story. It's the depravity mixed with the everyday, and even worse, the bonding activities! The total disregard for independent human life...

It appears Europe is following Alabama into the bottom of the barrel. It's a race to the bottom with them.

I think it's more likely that Woody's funeral would be at Riverside. Much closer to Zabar's.

[quote]She was his slave, a prisoner held captive on his islands, and townhouses, and jets

The poor mistreated darling!

R73, Bet G Maxwell reminded many of their mothers and have pro-dome et al fetishes.

R26, Venezuela is the country discussed, Haiti comes a close 2nd. Sean Penn has "humanitarian" links to the latter, Kevin Spacey to the former.

CDAN Blinds while not always accurate contain a lot of gossip about which A-list celebs took yachts and other means of transport to visit Pedo Island. DL would be shocked at the revealed names.

R26, Interesting that the article claims JE is dead but then goes on to explain how G Maxwell's long "dead" father could be very much alive but still hidden. Also late in the article it says how G Maxwell could have either fate depending on . . .

James Bond imitation movie series to follow? Will some of the famous actors involved play themselves? Surely Kim Jong-Un would be a big fan as well as the Russians, Chinese, and South and Central Americans.

We're not schlepping crosstown for this schmuck, R72.

NY Mag's The Cut says Ghislaine recently dined with Bill Clinton.

She definitely fucked the girls with strap ons and dildos. Many of the victims pointed the finger at her.

R64 Why do you think Polanski went back to Europe? They not only tolerate pedophilia but in some cases proudly promote it, all the while castigating Americans as being prudish or Puritan about it.

Apparently Ghislaine Maxwell had not only private pilot and helicopter licenses, she was trained on how to pilot submarines as well.

R81, Will the FBI searching Pedo Island disclose the secret submarine berth used by G Maxwell? See past James Bond films for visuals.

^^^Arms Smugglers^^^

R83, Of course. All part of the covert international arms trade, paid for in part by the worldwide drug cartels & dealers, and using human trafficking of often very young girls and boys as blackmail to guarantee silence.

R84 You make it sound so very... disgusting.

Ghislaine was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding because she was dating a friend of the groom. They broke up years ago.

R86 In addition to servicing Epstein in unconsensual 3-ways?

I thought she was at the wedding because she donated money to the clinton library or foundation? She likely got lots of donations for them...with her connections and networks.

Gizzy was very busy.

R85, The whole truth is extremely disgusting. Wait until the more public reveals about the countless child murders on Pedo Island, as if the lives of 3rd world kids are totally expendable by the super elite. JE spent $29,000,000 in an attempt to cover-up the evidence including destroying all tunnels with a massive fire, explosions setting off a very convenient earthquake, and so many more shenanigans.

Also under protection?

R89, Don't forget Gizzy had plenty of time for exclusive vacations on super yachts with the world's richest elite. Cannes on steroids?

R91, Still there are those on DL who don't understand why some of us don't believe nor trust MSM.

The character Richard DeVere in To The Manor Born was very loosely based on Robert Maxwell. Like DeVere, Maxwell was a Czech who escaped and came to England in WWII. DeVere anglicized his name and became a media baron rather than an owner of a supermarket chain.

Robert Maxwell's real name was Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch. He was a high ranking intelligence officer with informants in many countries. He smuggled guns from the Czech army to Israel and helped win the 1948 Arab Israeli War. In 1991 British PM John Major was kept up to date on the situation in Russia during the Moscow coup by Maxwell, through his sources inside Russia.

For some reason I'm thinking Maxwell was more of a double, or triple agent .

Do we have a time frame for that earthquake?

This is so fucking interesting, I don't think you could write this!

I love spy shit like that!

She don't know how much jail time she will do. She probably has Epstein's diary...with all the info. I wonder if she has her own blackmailing folder on people.

Would somebody PLEASE explain how to pronounce this woman's name?

It's Jizz-Lane, like a lane for jizz.

Tel-Aviv could still be an option, as some have mentioned.

Wonder how's Andrew these days.

R96, Sorry for the link but MSM of course didn't cover the (intentionally set) fire and earthquake nor the $29,000,000 spent burying the massive underground tunnels and extensive cement cover-up. Drone footage proves the latter. Also that Google's showing of the faux tennis court doesn't really exist.

Ga-lyn

[quote] Ghislaine was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding because she was dating a friend of the groom. They broke up years ago.

Shareblue shill

CF seed $ - dude was connected to everyone

When they said he was intelligence, it likely was true of JE and GM. He controlled everyone with $ and videos and she had skills out of a Bond film, plus a daddy who was rumored Mossad, if not a double or triple agent himself.

Wonder if this will derail the planned comeback for Spacey? There was another actor/commedian with Clinton and JE on those Africa flights, anyone remember?

Wonder if that Swiss chalet, purchased in haste, will become a needed bolt home for Andrew?

Bolt HOLE but I suppose bolt home works, as well. Polanski also found refuge in Switzerland, I believe.

R98 Jhee-Lahn is my best attempt at a phonetic spelling.

R98 I gave you an approximation of the French pronounciation, yet I've heard many Brits refer to her as Geese-Lynn. As it's originally a French name, my first reply I believe to be correct. My mum calls her Geese-Lynn. I think she's wrong.

It's Geese-len or Geese-lyn

Here you lazy assholes

Here you lazy assholes

We're all wrong apparently, or she mispronounces her own damn name, as she says Gill-ain. I'm out! From my nine years of French, I had thought Gh followed by an i was always Zhee, or Jhee... Not to be confused with Guillane, Guilan. FFS!

Lots of details here, including re: Diana.

Wonder where Tony P has vanished to? He has a taste in art similar to JE and the ability to go to ground like GM. The rich, they are not like you and me, are they?

Rachel/Ray Chandler is another one in the inner circle. Her connections are jaw dropping and she was said to be a handler for JE, tied to Marina A and associated with many names you have heard of in HW and music. She was photographed with BC on the LE.

Was Tony P or his brother John mentioned in the released files? I can see them mixed up in this but I haven't heard them mentioned. Also what kind of artwork do you mean?

Himmmm Part II:

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Driver?

Lefcourt repped KK and JE

Hmmm...lots of snaps of Penn and Chavez, numerous visits.

This is the men with GM, yes?

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R122, How much do you want to bet JE and El Chapo have had dealings with each other? Would there be an overlap between the players of NXVIM and JE?

There was a story, backed up by govt records that an Ep helicopter had the same tail number as a vehicle belonging to the State Dept and leased to DynCorp. The lone bad actor narrative really does not fit well. DynCorp has a sordid history re: kids and trafficking as well, read about Serbia if you have the stomach.

That's a good find, r121.

I had guessed Sean Penn, but I had also guessed the country in question was Haiti when it does look like it was Venezuela now. So the story linked to above is saying that Chavez/Maduro are possibly in possession of Jeffrey Epstein's extortion stash?

This story gets weirder and weirder.

Oh and here's Peen this week, partying with Leo and their "much younger" girlfriends

You raise interesting questions, R123.

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The C Foundation is a nest of trouble, it seems, r127

[quote]Still there are those on DL who don't understand why some of us don't believe nor trust MSM.

So instead, you listen to anonymous wackos on the Internet! Makes perfect sense!

I see now the thread's being invaded by the lunatic conspiracy theorists who think the Clinton Foundation is behind every damned thing on the planet.

I fear madam Maxwell will be suicided next. when u have heavy shit on others, they want u dead...

I don't know a great deal about the Clinton Foundation, but five simultaneous FBI investigations into CF-related people seems a little odd, r129. Also I thought the way it shut down operations right after she lost was bizarre. Surely she'd want to busy herself doing good works? But no. That implies the CF was about something else.

I've come to the conclusion that it's people defending the CF, saying "NOTHING TO SEE HERE" when there's clearly something off there, are the insane sounding ones.

Maxwell’s debt-ridden dad, a former member of British Parliament, went missing from his yacht while cruising off the Canary Islands in 1991.

His naked body was found by a Spanish fisherman about 15 miles away, and three pathologists who examined Maxwell differed on the cause of death, blaming it on a heart attack and/or drowning.

Ghislaine Maxwell is believed to be living in London, where she has a historic townhouse in the swank Belgravia section near Hyde Park and a brick country cottage about 90 miles southwest of the city.

[quote]On the weekends in the 1990s, Maxwell would have her Rollerblades FedExed to Epstein’s island in the Caribbean, and said she got her helicopter’s license so she could transport anyone she liked without pilots knowing who they were. Maxwell also said the island had been completely wired for video; the friend thought that she and Epstein were videotaping everyone on the island as an insurance policy, as blackmail.

[quote]A source close to Maxwell says she spoke glibly and confidently about getting girls to sexually service Epstein, saying this was simply what he wanted, and describing the way she’d drive around to spas and trailer parks in Florida to recruit them. She would claim she had a phone job for them, “and you’ll make lots of money, meet everyone, and I’ll change your life.”

[quote]“Ghislaine was in love with Jeffrey the way she was in love with her father. She always thought if she just did one more thing for him, to please him, he would marry her.”

[quote]Maxwell had one other thing to tell this woman: “When I asked what she thought of the underage girls, she looked at me and said, ‘they’re nothing, these girls. They are trash.’”

R126, Thank you. Here's another question. Ever wonder how Director Robert Rodriguez got the idea for the horror movie HOSTEL? Something similar supposedly takes place in Serbia. Or was it that Quentin Tarantino was a regular at Pedo Island, and he's good friends with both JE and Rodriguez.

R126, Here's another interesting coincidence to ponder. The some of the Chans were threatened with losing their host/server/whatever and thus risked being shut down. Coincidence or not that they were publishing a non-redacted version of JE's little Black Book including the specific contact info of much of the elite? Also that many of the numbers were still valid?

She’s like one of those rode-hard-and-put-away-wet whores from Marquis de Sade’s “120 Nights of Sodom”.

R138 She's undoubtedly sick, creepy, and criminal, yet I've seen much rougher sixty year-olds.

R134 HOSTEL was directed by Eli Roth, not Robert Rodriguez. There's a Tarantino connection however.

R117 Who's Princess?

Kerry Kennedy, r139

Fucking power cuts in Venezuela. No fucking way. Power cuts in England too.

Powercuts in England are for the same reason the Whalley Bridge dam in Derbeyshire began to fail last week and the same reason Somerset flooded a few years ago: Eco.

The powercuts were related to a windfarm failing

The Whalley dam's failure was due to eco groups stopping the upkeep of the dam due to unspecified wildlife concerns (fish, I think).

The Somerset floods were due to the now EU Eco rules that stopped dredging of the canals and rivers that had been conducted for hundreds of years prior. They stopped the dredging "to help birds" in some capacity.

Look it up, it's all true.

Driver above seems to fit, R139.

The black book in redacted form has been out for years. It was the insurance policy of an employee. Yes, many of the newly revealed numbers were said to be valid. What a world we live in.

The connections Ep formed with Andrew, Charles and Di are interesting - Saville went after them too. Facillitates entree to others, I suppse.

Eo aooears to have been a cog in a much larger machine.

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I guessed Sean penn too! Ghislane I suspect will not cooperate but will be found dead. Whether she is actually dead or disappeared...who knows.

Another one who seemingly pops up everywhere

JFC, some of you are just whacky as fuck!

Listen, actually read this over and over until it seeps in: ALMOST EVERY LIVING CELEBRITY WHO IS PAID TOP MONEY FOR THEIR WORK IN FILM OR TELEVISION IS CONNECTED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN BY SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION, OR LESS!

Epstein and Maxwell knew and know EVERYONE WHO MAKES OR HAS LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY. THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEIR ALL OF THEIR ASSOCIATES OR FRIENDS PEDOPHILES AND/ OR SEX TRAFFICKERS!!! OLD MEN DATING AND SCREWING YOUNG MODELS, CONSENSUALLY, OVER THE AGE OF 18 DOES NOT MAKE THE OLD MEN PEDOPHILES. HANGING OUT AT A PARTY OR ON A BOAT WITH WEALTHY PEOPLE DOES NOT MAKE A PERSON A PEDOPHILE, OR A CIA OFFICER OR A CIA ASSET, OR MOSSAD OR MI6!!! MAKING A MOVIE, WHICH IS FICTIONAL ABOUT, ABOUT TORTURE IN A HOSTEL, DOES NOT MAKE A DIRECTOR OR A WRITER A SADISTIC PEDOPHILE OR MURDERER!!!!

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This is why I checked out of here for several months. This board has become riddled with trolls and bonafide nut jobs who play “connect the dots”, without any formal training on how to apply analysis, or with the actual tools necessary in order to do so.

Grow the fuck up, & understand that most of the shit you’re spewing isn’t taken seriously by anyone with half a brain.

Adults, famous or not, like having sex with beautiful people. Some get to do so, by either paying for it, or by simply hitting on the person they’re attracted to. Good looking people, poor or rich, famous or not, have been fucking each other since the beginning of humanity. Ugly ones too!

I stood in line at a CVS once and smelled this weird metallic-stank from behind me. I initially thought it was an old person stroke victim - they have that particular smell after an episode. Turned round, and was met with these ice-blue, super wrinkly eyes. Not unkind, just blank, with a slight snarl. Turned back front immediately because it was Sean Penn. This was about a year and a half ago. Malibu.

I realised later that the only reason he would have to stand in line at CVS is to get controlled drugs. You have to get those in person - no assistant can pick it up for you and they don't deliver them.

He STANK. Seriously before I turned round I expected to see a wheelchair with a ninety year old in it.

R147 One of the few posters of reason and intelligence left on DL.

Why do you fucking degenerates not write out people’s names? It’s so damn hard to follow the thread when you refer to people by one or two initials, particularly when there are currently dozens of persons being discussed.

“Well I have on good authority that DS heard from PT that JM went to Europe with GB but L caught wind of it and told HS about it and now P is involved but of course RL is dead so Q can’t decide what to do”.

Why do you fucking degenerates not write out people’s names? It’s so damn hard to follow the thread when you refer to people by one or two initials, particularly when there are currently dozens of persons being discussed.

“Well I have on good authority that DS heard from PT that JM went to Europe with GB but L caught wind of it and told HS about it and now P is involved but of course RL is dead so Q can’t decide what to do”.

R147 is very upset for reasons of his/her own. Still, paying for sex is a bit unsavoury. Surely you don't need to?

This is the most interesting and intriguing story in a long time.

Because, r151, spelling out certain names repetitively can get controversial threads shut down.

Sigh. DO learn DL before bitching.

It’s JizzLane, not anything else

We all GOT here from people fucking, loon.

But this goes a bit beyond that.

People do more than fuck in this life, some amass power and control and honeypots can be a means to do that, obv.

[quote]But this goes a bit beyond that.

Beyond, meaning there's a prurient interest due to the visibility and power of those allegedly involved. Meanwhile, millions of girls around the world are trafficked as sex slaves. And the prurient don't give a fuck.

R195 JizzLane for the win.

She's in Israel.

JIZZLANE!

She's getting her holes waxed down in Brazil somewhere. Doubtful this twisted cunt is coming back.

R152, I’m not upset. I am, however, flabbergasted at the stupidity displayed in these discussions.

This is a fascinating story. I get that, but read these posts. They’re ridiculous. People are extrapolating that high profiled persons are privy to torture chambers in Serbia! WTF???

And no, I don’t pay for sex. But people who do aren’t necessarily bad people, and plenty of sex workers sell sex willingly, without coercion of any kind.

[R148] I wonder why he smells like that. I would think the cigarettes would be the main note of his scent profile. He and Jeffrey E look like dried up husks. It’s as if they (are/were) vampires trying to steal some youth from these kids. Maybe the metallic smell is the smell of impending death.

Honeypots, R162. Means of control.

They may not all be privy but they consort with those who are - or do you think all of the many photos are faked? And perhaps some ARE privy, we will never really know, will we?

One can only hope, R163.

Art

Funny how Serbia comes up over and over again.

Anyone should have wanted such a piece of art to be a centerpiece in their home!

Gishlaine Mackshwell.

Tony is generous in lending his art.

Where HAS he gotten to these days?

Lock her up!

Supporting the arts

Did he play at being a fake conservationist too? As many of his guests are wont to do.

R170, Tony has donated a lot of his art, and put other works up for sale. You too could look upon such elevating images. You are one of the poors though, yes?

Link did not post at R171

Who knew that mimicking hangings in the foyer was so popular amongst the elite?

Suppose it can be a handy exit trick, too.

Depp collects art by and inspired by serial killers, too, no?

r162 Pays for sex alllllll the time and is ashamed of it because that the only sex he can get.

Spot you ten miles away. bitch.

R173 Lord, will this ever end?

As long as the focus can be kept on Ep, it keeps it off everyone else, no, R173?

Someone expressed curiosity about his art collection and that of TP. Thus, links. They had similar interests in types of art and collected from the same artists at times. Surely Marina crossed paths with JE and GM in NY as well, she runs with the same sort of crowd. Think she may be Serbian too, such an artistic people, it seems.

Anyone else known to collect dolls, besides that wholesome Jackson? So much of collecting art seems to be about money laundering these days.

Good fucking question, r169.

Back to Ghislaine Maxwell:

[quote]In 2005, during the execution of a search warrant, investigators uncovered incriminating pads of phone messages from Epstein’s alleged victims calling about “massage” time slots; the messages, per the documents, were written in code by Maxwell and other associates. For example, one message reads, “He has a teacher for you to teach you how to speak Russian. She is 2X8 years old not blonde. Lessons are free and you can have your 1st today if you call.” The code 2X8, per the documents, means that the girl to whom the message refers was 16.

You can't make that shit up.

message from Brunel

The code is childplay= 2x8, meaning obvs. 16.

Let's not forget our perp taught calculus!

He played with fake breasts in the shower? That guy had some serious mental issues regarding sex. A lot of men seem to become stunted sexually and stuck permanently in their adolescence. These guys that still snicker over “boobies” in their thirties.

It’s terrifying that someone like Epstein can be in any position of power and influence.

He wasn’t just some decadent, sexually stunted horndog, who overstepped his bounds every now and then. Here was someone, who obviously loathed 99.9% of the population.

He clearly loved to corrupt, use and ultimately discard his ‘lessers’. This of course does not mean the ‘geniuses’ he liked to hang out with are of his ilk, but it does make me wonder.

Was Leo DiCaprio associated with Epstein?

JizzLane sends her love. She’s a bit busy at the moment, being on the run and all. Word on the street is that she’s holed up with Fergie in Switzerland. They paint each other’s nails and talk about the menopause.

[quote] Maxwell had an unusually close relationship with her father and was widely credited with being her father's favorite child.[3][7][8] The Times reported that Robert Maxwell did not permit Ghislaine to bring her boyfriends home or to be seen with them publicly, starting from the time she was attending Balliol College at Oxford.

[quote] realised later that the only reason he would have to stand in line at CVS is to get controlled drugs. You have to get those in person - no assistant can pick it up for you and they don't deliver them.

My husband has picked up controlled substances for me at CVS. He gives them his drivers license and they scan it. They know it's not me. If I were to complain that I didn't get my controlled substance, CVS would simply tell me to contact Joseph Jones, address, etc.

Oh and I worked in Bega,the care for 30 years people who've had strokes don't have "a smell" any more than people who've had heart attacks, you turd bucket

The prurient stories about underage human trafficking are just a distraction from the real issue: Jeffrey Epstein was a billionaire with no apparent source of income.

Epstein owned $150 million worth of properties, two private jets, a giant yacht with its own submarine, and over two dozen luxury cars. He hosted, entertained, and donated lavishly. A lifestyle that costs serious money both to establish and to maintain.

Yet even though he claimed to be a financer nobody on Wall Street knew him. None of the hedge fund guys ever traded or worked with him (and that’s a small world). His ‘investment company’ had no staff.

There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes here than is being acknowledged.

Money laundering, trafficking of all sorts... Dirty and disgusting

Facilitating international arms and drug trades. Introductions of the super rich and bored with investment opportunities and over-the-top ways to spend their excess funds such as those offered in the Golden Triangle. Futuristic scientific development and AI as the bait of legitimacy.

Thank you all for your pronounciation tips. Each time I hear it on TV/YouTube it is pronounced differenty, similar to Buttigieg. I lived in France and don't remember encountering this name. You could never have a name like this in the States without everybody being unable to say it. Jizz-Lane would have to take on an American name like Jill or something.

[quote] Epstein owned $150 million worth of properties, two private jets, a giant yacht with its own submarine, and over two dozen luxury cars. He hosted, entertained, and donated lavishly. A lifestyle that costs serious money both to establish and to maintain.

[quote] Yet even though he claimed to be a financer nobody on Wall Street knew him. None of the hedge fund guys ever traded or worked with him (and that’s a small world). His ‘investment company’ had no staff.

[quote] There’s a lot more going on behind the scenes here than is being acknowledged.

Exactly. It's not as if the SEC, FBI and CIA never noticed the guy who was pals with all kinds of powerful people yet had no discernible income. Of course they knew who he was, what he did and who he worked for and he no doubt worked for our intelligence services as well as the intelligence service of at least Israel and probably at least a half dozen other countries.

Donald Barr hired him. He was unqualified to be a teacher, but self admitted "old school authoritarian" Donald Barr hired him to come into contact with the children of the powerful. In one version I'd Epsteins story, it was said that Epstein's "brilliance" as a teacher impressed Alan Greenberg, the father of one of Epstein's students, who hired Epstein to work at Bear Stearns. But have we heard from anybody who worked with Epstein at Bear Stearns? Has anyone said what he did there? He traded? A few years later he "started his own business."

Like Donald Trump, he got his photo in the newspapers, became a fixture at glitterati parties and events and rubbed elbows with powerful people. Like Trump, the media unquestioningly described Epstein as he wished to be described. Brilliant, rich, influential.

The CIA often used people who were shady, flamboyant and a little unstable as agents. If the person decided to tell people he or she was a spy for the CIA, people wouldn't believe them because of their flamboyance and instability. "Suuuuure, you're a spy!"

Remember that guy who was found in a dumpster around DC a few years back? He'd been walking around improperly dressed in snow and was found shoeless? He was unstable, brilliant, tried to blow up a house, eccentric...and a longtime CIA agent.

Read Norman Mailer's "Oswald" sometime. My husband bought it years ago. Mailer claimed he investigated the whole crew around Oswald and Jack Runy send decided that Oswald was the line killer. I believed Oswald was the lone killer all my life. I was a kid when JFK happened. I read Mailer's book because I believed he agreed with what I thought about the assassination. After reading the boom I went "Holy shit, no way was Oswald not working for the US in Russia and no way did he kill JFK."

The CIA informants in the book are mostly lunatics. Many, like Ruby, were drug addicted. You sort of think an intelligence agency would only use smart, level headed people, right? But they don't. They use offbeat weirdos. They're the perfect agents. They can hide in plain sight and nobody will believe they're working in espionage. Epstein was one if those guys. Smart, offbeat, hip, able to blend comfortably with the world's powerful and with pimps. Look at who China has been using in the US for espionage purposes - sex traffickers. People who own cheap massage spas in strip malls just outside the enclaves of the rich and famous. It's not rocket science.

Lots of whackiness in this thread.

A few points: The Clinton Foundation was not shut down. It's still around. Bill did step back from it *during* the election, not after, because of potential conflicts of interest.

8chan was shut down after right-wing racist homicidal maniacs placed their screeds there and then murdered a bunch of people. Occam's razor people. Occam's razor. 4Chan is still around.

The Himmmm stuff is written by someone who has no idea how getting a lawyer works. Looks like some desperate trolling to implicate the Kennedys because why the fuck not? Seriously, the lawyers Epstein used in Florida were from a major GOP firm down there--impeccably connected--cuz that's what you do if you have money to burn, you get the lawyers who know everybody in an area. Successfully defending a DUI is completely besides the point--those are nothing cases compared to what Epstein was facing. And Epstein, if nothing else, wasn't an idiot.

So, the idea that a Kennedy was a link to a major GOP firm in Florida . . . yeah, deflection, massive, massive deflection.

I find it curious that all these trolls manage to focus on Clinton while ignoring Epstein's relationship with Trump and the fact that Epstein the day after it was confirmed that Trump had, indeed, flown on the Lolita Express. Trump sure as hell pushed a Clinton conspiracy big-time as a deflection.

I mean, who really has more to lose here--a president who's retired and hasn't actually been implicated in anything illegal or the sitting president who's been accused or raping a 13-year-old in Epstein's mansion?

As for the source of Epstein's money--yeah, it's sketchy. However, it's pretty clear that he did get a bunch of money from Wexner and seems to have stuck it in indexed mutual funds, which have paid off well over the years. Why Wexner gave him that money (and that house) is still a huge question and Epstein was still living high off the hog for the amount of money he received/stole from Wexner.

I think all sorts of possibilities exist here--gentle extortion/procurement, money laundering (Trump's specialty), drug/arms running. And, yes, being someone's intelligence asset. The lack of a real sentence back in Florida does indicate someone with real power shut things down and let off Epstein with a wrist slap.

FBI Raid Little St. James USVI 8/12/19

Another QAnon nut with a drone.

That said, it's not just the FBI, but the NYPD there as well.

Prior to this current mess, was there ever speculation that Robert Maxwell was involved with intelligence activities?

Because that kind of stuff can be a bit of a family business - techniques are taught, contacts are introduced.

How come the IRS never investigated Epstein? Small business owners have to account for every single penny and this guy made billions out of thin air and nobody raises an eyebrow.

R193 Thanks for the refreshing voice of reason.

[quote]He was found guilty and convicted, in case you were wondering. OT over.

Oh yes the Danish submarine guy. He tortured a pretty young woman in a submarine. Then he sawed off her head, no doubt while she was still alive and kicking.

As he was convicted in Scandinavia, he no doubt got the harshest sentence the law could provide — three years in a penitentiary. With cable tv and free continuing education, no doubt.

Ghislaine: She sleeps with the fishes.

R197, the IRS is starved of funds by Congress. As a result, it mostly investigates people who cannot fight back—small businesses, ordinary wage earners.

Which loon is on here - as if I need to ask? I blocked a stupid conspiracy comment, and nearly every comment from R117 to R129 disappeared along with a bunch of others. Just fucking stop already. Isn't it break time in Russia? How about in Las Vegas?

R202, I'm in Vegas but didn't post a single comment between R117 to R129. However you're welcome to block me.

Esp as he was once rumored to be a onetime boytoy of Wexler, who financially staked him, R182. Believe he paid for the toownhouse too. What is the real backstory on Wexler if JE and GM seem to be intelligence assets of a sort?

In my experience, psychopaths do not necessarily have a fixed sexual orientation - more depravity, sadism and anything that moves.

And their biggest sexual motivator - what can you do for me?

So maybe they did fuck. Prob not in Columbus OH tho.

Loads, R196, and he was rumored to be a double, even tripple agent. His ownership of major news outlests was surely handy as well.

Maxwell was said to have been murdered, or perhaps to have gone to ground. Bet Jizz-Lane and Ep were well schooled in how to do so as well. If they are still alive, it is because they are useful to those above them in the food chain.

Seymour Hirch wrote about Maxwell and was sued. Was quite a big story. Was linked somewhere on here but I will try to find you a link. She likely learned at her the knee of her Daddy. Her linguistic skills and ability to fly helicopters and pilot submarines is also spooky as hell, pun intended.

Epstein likely did not just come out of nowhere either. He was recruited, groomed and had his narrative shaped, more likely.

Nasty Business - Part Three.

Trolls please put me on ignore. Thank you.

There are a lot of alcoholics, too, but addicts for sure, R193.

Celebrities can also be very useful on many fronts, Clooney and Jolie are CFR and both are overtly involved with orgs such as the UN and who knows, perhaps covert things as well. For example, Jolie flies in and out of all sorts of areas connected to all sorts of things on private planes and is another trained pilot herself. Who knows what her celebrity might facilitate or who might seek to benefit from it and things like cargo not being checked as closely, etc.? Look at all of the sensitive and frankly, odd, places SP pops up. GM was not the only one speaking at the UN, some of those other figures are curious as well. Naomi Campbell sure seems to get around too.

A couple similar to GM and JE are/were Diana Jenkins and her ex-husband and there, again, is the Serbian connection.

In the last go round re: Ep it came out that one of his helicopters had the same FAA number as a DynCorp helicopter (rumored to have been leased/provided by an alpha agency). Google DynCorp and trafficking and there the UN and Serbia will come up yet again. Marina Abramovic is another Serb with a dazzling array of connections to the wealthy, politicians and celebrities. Also to Rachel/Ray Chandler, another Ep handler/recruiter and childhood friend of the Hilton sisters. She married a Guiness if memory serves, whilst Nicky Hilton married a Rothschild. The strenuous efforts to paint Ep as an individual bad man, a Svengali sort, of course, deflect.

Epstein was a licensed flight instructor. Perhaps he was useful in training pilots in other countries. That would tie in with the illegal arms trade. Maybe the girls were something they looked past, just to keep him happy.

Kennedy used Gerald Lefourt, as did Epstein, as have Milken and the Black Panthers, among others.

Trolls or the uninformed may scoff or attempt to divert attention but the facts are what they are. He is a criminal defense lawyer who got Kennedy off with an Ambien defense and did quite well for Epstein as well (although that may have had quite a bit to do with higher up the food chain folks telling prosecutors to back off). Read and learn folks.

R207, it all fits. The photo in the park was always most likely snapped by MI6, after all.

RA and the Ferg were soooooo easy to play, greedy and always grasping for more funds. He paid off quite a few of her debts, it is well documented. He cultivated his brother as well and was said to be close to his late wife at one time.

The stories about RM were documented as well, look at the link to the Hirch case and look at his ties to the BRF.

In the last Ep go round RA and Ferg suddenly just happened to purchase a home in Switzerland, curious. They have all known it was going to play out differently this time, JE sold the Lolita Express plane earlier this summer. No pesky forensics possible anymore. RA has been quite literally glued to his mother in public for months and the family was said to make a show of support this past weekend after more evidence was unsealed.

R209 Well he did train the Russian slave who got too long in the tooth for their tastes. I can't recall her name, but she logged five or six hundred hours on his Gulfstreams. She obtained the Gulfstream certification, and now owns a travel company, with three Gulfstreams of her own. Really the strangest case; she obviously was happy with some settlement, as she isn't willing to testify. She became one of Epstein's busiest pilots to shuttle the chattel around the world.

Good recall, R212, I had forgotten about that flight school with the super sketchy web presence. Based on LI, no?

I imagine that other things could easily be concealed in the cargo holds.

The girls were not only to keep Jeffrey happy, they were literally the honeypot draw. Given the presence of Spacey, among others, I find it implausible that young boys were not also on hand, along with substances and loads of cameras.

Among other visitors to the island were the tree hugger himself, Al G and his then wife, the record labeling, hypocrite, Tipper.

Another celeb who trained as a pilot.

Will just drop this story here. The presence of a celeb (knowing or not) could certainly facilitate the movement of all sorts of things.

GQ has a new long piece out with this spot on descripton of it all:

the Epstein affair, which brings to mind the plot of a Tom Wolfe novel crossed with Stanley Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut

It should be pronouned /gilεn/, judging by how the male form of the name is pronounced. In other words, hard G and no S.

Cultivating the Pope as part of a PR campaign and perhaps for other reasons, who knows?

R212 The flight instructor and pilot of the 'Lolita Express' is Nadia Marcinko...

Of course, it COULD have been a natural death after all.

[italic] Sleeping With The Fishes

R193, you managed to fit all the talking points into a single post. Bravo!

Fucking hilarious, R221. Seriously; good for you!

I went thru all the names in his black book, man he knew ev one! bryan ferry, chris tucker, Courtney love, mick jagger, Rupert Murdock, David Kock, lots of numbers for that uk prince Andrew, miss manners, ….. its on the net, jus google it.

Seriously?

Did she comb her hair with firecrackers?

Was Ghislaine molested? She may have learned the tricks of the trade at an early age.

They run in small circles, Ep went to the same lawyer as Milken and sought out the same crisis pr help.

so many royals, dukes n duchesses, billionaires, hwood big wigs, starts to seem like they all in some big fraternal peervy club.

R221, Love the Comments on your linked article.

Geez. Ghis sure went to a lot of parties and knew a lot of people. I bet they're cringing, hoping the pictures don't travel far.

R228, the better to record it all for leverage and control.

R216 is correct; the definitive pronunciation of 'Ghislaine' (/gilεn/) is confirmed by their sex slave, Virginia Robert Giuffre, who should know...

R. Couri Hay used to be a gossip columnist with The National Enquirer.

Thanks for posting, R232.

Virginia has an awfully big target on her and 3 young kids of her own.

This is the other lawyer used by K Kennedy.

R211, Of COURSE it all fits--why? Because Himmmm has read the same stuff we all have and spun up a story that connects all the dots and then pretended that a Russian oligarch would spill the beans. Along with all the other critical sources. And all in three days. Surrrre, and I have a bridge to sell you.

Like it's news, at all, that Prince Andrew is in hot water about this? Or that maybe some rich Russians are involved somewhere? Geez, anyone who's tracked the story could make that kind of hypothesis.

Himmm, of course, is a notorious source on CDAN, which is now owned by Russians. In other words, propaganda, which, again, conveniently leaves Trump out of the mess.

R221, You mean I'm not the only one who can point out holes in your QAnon conspiracy mongering? Of course not.

Again, it wouldn't take a drunk Kennedy to recommend a very prominent Republican law firm in Florida to handle a hot defense case. It wouldn't take anyone to use Dershowitz.

By the way, if you poor saps weren't so damn desperate to tie in the Kennedys, you could have used Occam's razor and figured out that Epstein's old buddy Dershowitz is probably the guy who recommended the Florida law firm, particularly since Dershowitz worked with them on the defense, but, since the case was in Florida, Florida lawyers were required. Dersh is a Democrat, by the way, unlike you pathetic nutjobs, I know there are sleazes on both sides of the aisle.

And, again, the politicians with the most to lose here is Trump--which is why he's deflecting like mad. Typical projection, as usual. Trump doesn't actually know *how* to talk about anyone but himself.

You poor creatures just take the bait so damn easily. Here's the thing--not everything is connected to everything. This is a big scandal, but it's not the mega-scandal that involves 100 percent of the world's billionaires. That's not how reality works.

What does CFR mean? Also, who is RM??

Google CFR and Clooney

RM is the father of Ghislaine

R192, Epstein is a NOC. Probably one of the best ever in intelligence history. He did for the United States & allies, primarily Israel & the UK, white US foreign diplomats under official cover could not. That’s the real story, here.

The man was like water. He ran freely into any nook & cranny that he segued into, & he wasn’t only a brilliant mathematician, he was brilliant at developing relationships with those who trusted no one, & developing assets.

This IS the real and dirty work of our good ole CIA. And if you think Epstein was bad, then you have either no knowledge, limited knowledge of what some of these people do, & the lengths they go to, in order to get what they want, because they are being paid to do so.

It’s almost impossible to be Jeffrey Epstein, and not be CIA NOC. You do not live like he did for decades on end, without coming to death by misadventure, early on. This man was, & I suspect IS, still being protected. If he is indeed, expired, then he knew and understood that this too, was part of his job.

NOCs work in almost every industry that matters. It’s not some bullshit, “Deep State” conspiracy theory, either.

And yes, some have committed immorally, reprehensible acts. No question. But to put this in proper perspective, one must either learn, or remember that the trillions upon trillions of legal currencies that are traded and exchanged daily, worldwide, are propped up and developed by dirty money.

Sad, but true.

R236, RM are Robert Maxwell's initials, his Anglicized name.

CFR stands for Council of Foreign Relations which depending on your viewpoint has a lot of power in deciding international policy with the UN.

r148 here. It was pointed out above that I said metallic stink from "a stroke" whereas the metallic smell was one I recognised from a friend who had epilepsy and who had a seizure because his meds were off. It's definitely a metallic, sort of old person smell and it was definitely strongly coming off of Sean Penn when he was behind me in line. But it was a seizure smell. Maybe he was just having some alcohol withdrawal issues.

NOC means

R238, that's why the left's shrieking about Acosta were so laughable. He is literally a peon in this story.

NETANYAHU: BARAK CONNECTED WITH PEDOPHILE, SEX TRAFFICKER JEFFREY EPSTEIN

NOC means Non Official Cover in spy lingo.

It would be easier to make a list of people he had NO connections to, had done NO favors for, had not tempted with kids or drugs or models, etc.

All those photos of Epstein with the billionaires from Google have been scrubbed from public view.

Now we are starting to learn how Google has been manipulating its algorithms to gaslight the public. We're going to see much more about this in the coming months.

The book burning of the past is now the digital erasing of websites, forums, and videos. But history tells us those who censor and delete content are almost always wrong in the end.

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What, like Allen would have some MORAL objection to being pals? Have you SEEN the snaps with him and his adopted daughters? Creepy AF.

It is like Spacey keeping in touch.

Help! I have reason to believe she’s hiding in my basement. What’s my next move?

R242, Acosta's literally the guy who let Epstein off the hook and then was rewarded for it. He may not be the biggest player in the game, but he should be held accountable for his misdeeds. Seriously, it's not that hard--why do you wing-nuts have such a hard time sussing this sort of thing out.

R238, Agreed--Epstein being an intelligence asset is the only answer that fills in all the blanks--why he was able to get away with so much. Why he only got a wrist slap in 2006. Why he was able to spend so much money even though hedge-fund types didn't do trades with him.

I think he's dead though. My guess, given his entry hall painting of himself in jail, was that the CIA/Mossad/M16 let him know that he was pushing the line, even for them--he used his one get-of-jail-free card, but he wasn't getting a second one. He was too notorious to keep being useful to them and if he got arrested, that was that. The agencies didn't want a trial that would reveal too much about their dealings. Epstein's recklessness meant he was not worth keeping around.

Ghislaine Maxwell, on the other hand, may well biding her time in a safe house somewhere. She doesn't seem to be as compulsive as Epstein. I'd guess, though, that she's an asset for the UK or Israel, not the United States directly. I'm going to go with Mossad, just because Mossad's so damned ruthless.

The acronyms and initials are making these threads seem practically written in code. Why is Prince Andrew referred to as RA? Who is SP?

R251, SP is Sean Penn. Read the 3 Hmmm linked blogs to see how the actor/director fits in to G Maxwell's complex game in Venezuela.

RA is Randy Andy or Prince Andrew, a prominent player.

@ r250 "Epstein being an intelligence asset is the only answer that fills in all the blanks"

Thank-you, it's as if all the lightbulbs above my head went on. Yes, of course this is the right answer for the reasons you state

R199: Peter Madsen, the Danish "submarine killer," was sentenced to life for the murder of Kim Wall.

R254 Thanks for posting the update. That sentence carries a minimum of 16 years that can be extended.

It was quite the big case in Sweden, on the news weekly if not daily.

I find it interesting that Epstein had been selling his personal assets for the last two years before his death.

And from I understand, he had also transferred almost all of his money to his brother, before he died.

I don’t have time to link the various sources I’ve gotten this information from, at this very moment, but I will attempt to do so, later on, tonight.

Basically, while he still had millions under his control and name, he had been quietly moving money to his brother, as well as real estate, for the last 10-15 years.

Acosta testified that he was literally told JE was/is intelligence. It is pretty obv that GM ticks the same box with a known added family history.

I do sometimes wonder, as the push to normalize sex with minors continues, what will be used to control/compromise in the future? Not sure I would want to know.

The story of JE as a lone bad actor will continue to be pushed.

We will see if SP does in fact seem to go to ground, as per the blind. Narcissism is the downfall of so many. The video was monumentally stupid. Of course, if he was off his face, he likely was not thinking.

Pavitt is skeptical about this NOC-o-mania. He'd like more NOCs, yes, but he and other CIA veterans argue that, in practice, they often create more problems than they solve. They're expensive (think of all the Mercedes automobiles and fancy apartments you need to keep up appearances as an international businessman). And for many spy activities--such as liaison with foreign intelligence services and receiving defectors who want to spill secrets--official cover is actually better.

Maintaining deep cover is complicated. It requires separate training and a separate NOC bureaucracy, which until recently was known by the prosaic name "Office of External Development."

Why do you say that, R258, that the push to normalise sex with minors continues? If anything the public seems more disposed to be less tolerant of sexual improprieties, eg Me Too, Savile , Bryan Singer, and associates.

Yet JE got material on so many valuable targets, likely for multiple agencies, had to be worth every penny.

Bringing over from another thread.

It’s JizzLane, ok? JIZZLANE!!!

I rarely see it mentioned that Robert Maxwell worked for Semion Mogilevich. I also don't believe there was anything accidental about his death.

Initials and acronyms.....am I the only one who can't stand them? Too much work.

Maxwell

I remember back in the early 90s when Vanity Fair ran a glowing profile of Robert Maxwell. There was a photo of him holding an umbrella and looking jolly. All these people who were foisted on us as the best and the coolest.

I remember that, R266.

Tony Podesta is another such figure.

Epstein was also extensively profiled and promoted, particularly his embrace by celebrities, pols and royalty after his release.

DT is another example, promoted for decades, long before entering politics as a candidate.

[quote]Two years later, Maxwell fell off his yacht in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and drowned, a sensational death that was ruled accidental. “He was a character and a colorful guy, and I think we were lucky to have seen even a short time of him in New York,” Trump told Larry King during an appearance on CNN two weeks later. “He was my kind of a guy.”

If he was Trump's "kind of a guy," he must have been an absolute scumbag!

Forgot the link for the above quote.

Soros is another example. An image created and pushed more as a means to an end than due to any basis in reality and very murky $ trails. The lines between celebrity and politics/pushing agendas are quite blurred and these figures ARE promoted as larger than life, in some cases, even messiahnistic. With Ep there was some additional psuedo-intellectual veneer but apart from Ep, Hawking was known to be a perv. AI was another way to launder funds, among other things.

Like toddlers pushing boundaries, the elite seek ever more proof that they are special, above the law, superior to us and in need of a new thrill. People like Ep or Tony P or GM, facillitate those experiences and likely record it all for their masters to benefit.

Posted from another thread. Just an FYI.

[quote]Guys, it's Duhvida posting her insane CT's again. Everyone is a pedo or sex slaves to aliens and Bigfoot. Your neighbors are all satan worhipping cannibals in her world. Oh, and George Clooney was secretly in love with her and managing her "career" until that evil succubus, Amal, came along and enslaved him.

I'll also add that she the Illuminati lizard people are behind all the world's problems.

I remember that when the rotund Robert Maxwell died, just about every British news outlet HAD to describe him as "larger than life." That phrase was everywhere back then.

^^^^^she believes

What with Epstein's property in Paris and Ghislaine being born in Maisons Laffitte (a dozen miles outside Paris) and holding French citizenship, I find it very hard to believe that NONE of the French movers and shakers of the past decades partook in any of Jeff & Jizz's little parties. Or "sauteries", as they're so aptly called.

Where are they all now? Can't remember if this has already been posted

9 levels of hell

NBC:

Epstein accuser sues Ghislaine Maxwell, other Epstein staffers, says they made rape possible

Here's an article about co-conspirator Jean-Luc Brunel, from the French newspaper Liberation. Liberation has been covering this extensively since Jeffrey Epstein's untimely and entirely unpredictable demise, several articles a day, everyday. Not a peep before, it's all coming out now.

The 7th and 8th paragraphs of part 3 of Nasty Business by Himmmm implies that the CIA killed Diana on behalf of the BRF and the BRF is afraid that Andrew's connection to JE will expose this.

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Remember Zoë Brock who escaped Harvey Weinstein at Hotel du Cap? Here's her tale of the creep Jean-Luc Brunel, a buddy of Epstein's.

If the CIA had killed Diana it would not have been so messy and would not have taken two others with her.

If not the murder of Diana, what is the plot between the CIA and the BRF that the BRF wants to conceal?

The article mentions accidents and murder.

Maybe it speaks of Robert Maxwell. Or maybe those blind items are completely someone's fantasy.

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oh please, US and UK are allies. I'm sure they "help" each other out all the time, surely not just "diana" incident. But I think MI5 killed her.

MI6, sorry typo

[quote]Office of External Development

A gym to replace Equinox.

From the pic @ R285: Someone's in a bad mood!

R263, Wikipedia says Mogilevich is a top Russian mobster, this link disagrees.

Well I never!

[quote]If not the murder of Diana, what is the plot between the CIA and the BRF that the BRF wants to conceal? The article mentions accidents and murder.

What article is mentioning this and if it does what makes you think it's the truth?

just ask their lawyers, R292.

Why would I ask "their" lawyer? I said nothing about lawyers and you haven't answered my question.

Why would anyone knock off Diana? She was living her own life and out of the royal family. Some of you are nuts.

If they were going to knock off anyone it would be Fergie, who has embarrassed them numerous times.

Much weirdness with Epstein’s private jets. Traveled every third day for the last year and a half ( how much does that cost?).

Some of the places he visited - Slovakia and morocco - he only stayed for a few hours.

Picking up or delivering drugs, guns or cattle. Maybe all three. Or maybe taking/picking up large sums of cash?

I would like to know if the Russian who would visit Trump on the campaign trail also hung out with JE or GM.

Link is at R279, 7th and 8th paragraphs. Re Diana - the driver was drunk and she was not wearing a seat belt. But things occurred in the tunnel that looked as if her car had been targeted.

Jizzlanes's boyfriend's company would LOVE to hear from us.

R298 Who picks up cattle in a Gulfstream?

R301 Are these people Scientologists on top of everything else?

On the website it says "GoingClear" - did they just pick up the lingo from there?

"Web Design by GoingClear Interactive ", to be more precise.

What is CARGOMETRICS anyway?

Scott Borgerson looks a hell of a lot like her, he could be her son. There's only 14 years between them.

A reducing plan?

That's not an "article", it's a blind item of gossip.

[quote]Who picks up cattle in a Gulfstream?

I worry about the intellect of the younger generation.

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R298, LOL. I think you meant chattel, but you never know with these pervy freaks. I had a flashback to this POS...

R295, At the time everyone knew Diana was in danger. She even wrote to her most trusted friends that if she were killed in a car accident to blame Prince Charles.

Fergie's a drunk and an embarrassment but she doesn't threaten the existence of the BRF like Princess Diana once threatened to do.

"Cattle" is a euphemism for human cargo.

Fergie is a lightning rod, she is not going anywhere.

I wouldn't worry about the correct pronunciation of "Ghislaine."

She's left the country dressed as a nun, and is going by the name of Sister Brenda.

I wouldn't worry about the correct pronunciation of "Ghislaine."

She's left the country dressed as a nun, and is going by the name of Sister Brenda.

Well then...

"She's left the country dressed as a nun, and is going by the name of Sister Brenda."

Are you sure that's not "Sister Boom Boom"?

There would have been much more reliable ways to off Diana than a car crash that she would have survived if she'd fastened her seat belt.

Also, for people who take the fictions of Himmmm seriously, I'll just point out that another royal family has an honest-to-God blood on its hands--Saudi Arabia.

Re: Epstein's plane--that would be an easy way to transport all sorts of things under the radar. If Epstein had been less addicted to young teen girls, he'd have gotten away with all this indefinitely.

Actually it’s “Sister Human Trafficker/Part-Time Spy”.

Whoo eez dees Gizzlayne purzon, end vhat dat feelty hoor gots to do vit my huzbant?

Prince Andrew announced his retirement today from public life after a long period of severe personal stress. In a statement, his Royal Highness added he is ‘following advice’ from his doctor. There was no comment from #buckinghampalace

[quote]There would have been much more reliable ways to off Diana than a car crash that she would have survived if she'd fastened her seat belt.

Exactly. The car accident was too sloppy and far too many "what ifs" could occur for it to be a hit. No one should take that Himmm thing as anything but what it is. Gossip.

[quote]There would have been much more reliable ways to off Diana than a car crash that she would have survived if she'd fastened her seat belt.

Exactly. The car accident was too sloppy and far too many "what ifs" could occur for it to be a hit. No one should take that Himmm thing as anything but what it is. Gossip.

Except that the car accident was in the playbook of MI6. Car accident in tunnel in foreign country.

So you're privy to the playbook of MI6? Riiiight...............

"Retiring from public life following a long period of severe personal stress?"

Since when did the Queen Mother become Andrew's personal physician?

What it really means is "stay out of trouble, do as your told, or Mummy will cut off your allowance."

At least one M16 officer made a confession of direct involvement with Princess Diana's death. There exists a remote device that alters a car's breaks and another which shines an extremely high beam directly into the driver's eyes. Investigative reporters in the US and elsewhere have been killed in a similar manner.

Where in the world is Ghislaine Maxwell?

The Jeffrey Epstein confidante accused in lawsuits of trafficking underage sex slaves for the millionaire pedophile hasn’t been seen in public for years — and a tech CEO shot down a report Wednesday that she’s holed up at his Massachusetts mansion.

“It’s not true. She’s not there. I don’t know where she is,” Scott Borgerson told the Daily News during a phone interview.

Borgerson, 43, confirmed he knows Maxwell and considers her a colleague in the field of ocean conservation, but he was adamant she’s not hiding out at his $3 million oceanfront estate in Manchester-by-the-Sea, as reported in an online outlet.

“We’re friends, as many people in the ocean space are,” he told The News. “But my home is sitting empty. I just called the police. My cat is at my house. That’s who’s there.” [More U.S. News] Ex Buffalo Bills linebacker Shawne Merriman denies role in model’s death, says her parents are ‘defaming’ him »

Borgerson, co-founder and CEO of CargoMetrics Technologies, said he was traveling in Europe on business and couldn’t talk long.

He praised Maxwell’s TerraMar Project, a nonprofit that works to protect ocean waters, but didn’t comment on a recent photo allegedly showing him walking her dog.

Okay guys, I posted this link at R320. I follow this Twitter account from BBC- Scotland. But after looking for corroborating articles, I've found none. This may not be true. Sorry for jumping the gun.

R328, Thanks for correcting yourself. I was looking for corroboration and didn't find it. Nice to see that not all the posters here are conspiracy freaks.

Speaking of which, confirmed by M16 officer? R326? Source?

Because what I found was Snopes debunking such a confession, though from M15.

It's really kind of irritating--we have a bona fide bad guy who's connected to all sorts of shady people with interesting habits to discuss--but we keep getting people recycling idiotic conspiracy theories.

The royals didn't need Diana offed, she was already semi-exiled living a riff-raff life like other embarrassing family members like the Duke of Windsor. She wasn't a threat of any consequence to them. There were easier, less-drastic ways to keep her in line--allowance, access to her sons.

Epstein, on the other hand . . .

As for Ghislaine Maxwell--it's been several years since she's been publicly photographed, I think. She could easily change her looks--gain or lose weight, go grey or blonde. She's not that distinctive looking except for the straight black hair. She also has the kind of coloring where she could pass as local in a lot of places.

No one's as invisible as an older woman.

R329, Quoting source as an authority? Please. Do you know how many times they've tried to debunk a story only to have it verified all across the MSM less than a week later? Everyone knows Snopes is a total joke and am arm of PR flacks.

R330, That would be so much more convincing if you, say, showed a legitimate source that backed up your claim that a M15 or M16 confessed to Diana being murdered.

But you didn't because you don't have that source.

And, yes Snopes is considered credible by people less gullible than you.

Again, all Diana needed to have to have survived that crash is to have fastened her seatbelt. Even without one, her bodyguard survived.

All you're showing here is that you don't know much about auto accident fatalities.

R331, What a silly argument. There are dozens of videos on YouTube but of course you'll claim each and every source saying Diana was murdered isn't credible. Why don't you look at the facts from medical personnel including the fireman who heard her last words proving her life could have been saved if proper steps had been taken?

If I had the time I'd post hundreds of links proving Snopes is consistently wrong in their PR-based claims. Who on DL actually believes Snopes to be gospel. This discussion is ridiculous so don't expect me to respond further.

I suspect that there has been a fair amount of exaggeration and histrionics regarding this sordid case. The press is making it sound like this woman was casing elementary schools to bring Epstein buses of children. It appears she was approaching 17/16 year olds with quid pro offers. Fucked up but not quite what has been implied. And I don't believe every word that comes out of the accusers mouths either. This sleazy case will likely be used indefinitely to spread paranoid conspiracy theories about anyone even remotely related to Epstein. Listen to the account of Virginia Roberts. She called him to tell him she had fallen in love and was getting married and wouldn't be returning to him. She was never being held hostage. But the media is acting like there were a bunch of abused 8 year olds being held by Epstein on a private island. Epstein and Maxwell aren't particularly nice people in any sense but truth matters , you know?

R147 agreed

R332 and yet you fail to produce one--including about this one.

And, yes, let's look at the facts--fact: seatbelts work. Ergo, plotting a murder that relies on the victim not wearing her seatbelt is poor planning. The British intelligence services are reported to be competent.

Fact: YouTube is not a source of great investigative journalism.

Fact: You haven't backed up one thing you've said with a legitimate source--or any source, really.

And, of course, you're not going to respond further--you don't have a leg to stand on and you think if you huff and puff enough no one will notice.

What it comes down to is the Dunning-Kruger effect--you're too ignorant to know how little you know and don't like it having pointed out to you.

There are some crazed conspiracy trolls on this site, R333. But not everything about Epstein is fantasy. Epstein admitted he wanted underaged girls, and Maxwell has plausibly been accused of procuring them for him. That she offered money to them only adds to the illegality of her conduct.

There is I think overwhelming agreement with all of us that the media is heavily, violently spinning this. But for whom? And why? GM has been protected throughout the entire saga.....is she more valuable than JE? It appears so.

I agree with r333. The entire story is repulsive, and yet the media seems to be doing very little to sort facts from fiction. For this case, my main outlet seems to be the Daily Beast. I need to diversify if I hope to unravel it.

Has *anyone* figured out Robert Maxwell’s sex life? It’s been alluded to in reports that GM “takes after him” but then I never find any supporting evidence. Also, what’s the scoop on Stephen Hawkins??? He was perved out too? It’s all so kind boggling....

r333, Facts matter but you lead with your suspicions. Did you read the interview with one of the investigators in Florida? There were dozens of victims, that means at least 24, and hundreds of witnesses,that means more than 200. Jennifer A, was 14 years old, and she wasn't the only 14 yo. No one has said he has 8 year olds or is "acting like it", but you know that. One of the recruiters said that he had NO limits, if you brought 10 girls, he would take 10 girls. Girls, Jizzlane called "total trash", and if by quid pro quo you mean (master) bait and switch. That's true.

Diana did not die in the tunnel. She died under bidding on the way to the hospital. Many people bid and that is why it took 1hr to go a few miles.

Ghislaine appears to have been his handler. Perhaps there was more than one. If, as Acosta said, JE was intelligence, given the men he drew to his honeypots, multiple intelligence services would have been interested.

The DM mentions that the new beau is CFR and he does appear on their website. Who did not guess that one?

Odd that he lives in Boston during the week and walks her dog there, whilst his oceanfront house is only 30 minutes away, not a great distance.

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The painting was made after Clinton ended his association with Epstein. I think it's less about Clinton having a secret taste for drag and more about Epstein (who is said to have said to someone "Bill Clinton owes me a favor.") wanting to look at Clinton being humiliated. There was a Daily Kos opinion piece that someone here linked to yesterday that analyzed Epstein as a narcissist. Lots of speculation, of course, but the writer did say that a narcissist like Epstein would want to see others humiliated--the way Trump does--if he feels they betrayed him--i.e. abandoning him after he was charged.

The DK's writer thought Epstein wouldn't have killed himself at this point because he wanted to bring down other people with him. He looked forward to the attention and being able to out all his customers. And also vindicate himself since he didn't think he was doing anything wrong.

It's an interesting thought.

Of course he would say it was satire, but, literally, who knows?

Clinton is clearly lying about how much he flew with JE, Gawer had flight logs back in the day and it was far more than the handful of flights he has copped to. Impossible to know what they all got up to. Has any more come out abou thte Africa trip with Spacey and some comedian, was it Chris Tucker?

I am so sick and tired of all of you trolls, yes, TROLLS, constantly bringing in the Clintons as the evil, dark lords of the universe. And it just makes you all look so profoundly stupid.

You look at the world as black and white, good and evil, and you actually believe that two senior citizens living in the suburbs of upstate New York, are sitting on their veranda, sipping their morning coffee, while plotting the rapes of children and the murders of dozens upon dozens of adults. Based on what? That horny and hubris filled hillbilly, who was smart enough to become a POTUS, got got getting a blowjob from his silly & blabber mouthed intern?

From this profoundly stupid mistake, millions of idiots have extrapolated a blow job into mass murder.

Jeffrey Epstein set up hundreds of non-profits and charitable foundations for the wealthy, all over the world. He introduced people to other people with like minded interests. He championed advancements in science and tech. He wasn’t just a sex addicted hebephile. And while I find his predilection for teens flat out WRONG, I am also able to understand that most everything about what makes this story mind blowing and interesting, has nothing to do with sex.

You guys are obsessed with youth, sex, and death. Those three things are your Achilles heel, which quite frankly, doesn’t make you that much different than Jeffrey Epstein: the sleaze ball.

And as for the Clintons, it appears that they have many varied interests, which I credit with their abilities to govern the United States of America for 8 years straight, run for election 4 times between them both, win those elections twice, become a New York State Senator, run a charitable foundation that has been repeatedly investigated and found to have no financial irregularities, get a blowjob in the Oval Office, & still have time to murder dozens of people, sacrifice babies to Baphomet, after raping them, of course.

Oh, and don’t forget that they had time to write and send emails. Never forget the emails!!!

Bravo, r344.

You forgot about them barbecuing kittens in the Rose Garden.

Hope being chatty does not come back to bite him hard

R344, you forgot Secretary of State.

R344 I agree. Unfortunately, anti Clinton hysteria is a pathology that seems to cross political lines. The right wing media and mainstream "left wing " media have colluded for 3 decades to throw every piece of shit they can find at the Clinton's and see what sticks. The DC press despised Bill and Hillary pretty much from day one for not following their silly little rules and have never let up. Now these supposed liberals in the press won't shut the fuck up about how scandalized they are over Trump, even though they actively aided the right in spreading anti Clinton animus.

I've blocked you before 344, so I can't see your entire response, but I'm sure it's cunty!

What's wrong with you? Why do you hang out with a lot of pathetic losers? Does it make you feel superior? Why so triggered? Are you getting old and no one will fuck you anymore and you're going to die alone?

^Future DL'r

Unless you want to talk about the painting of Bill in a blue dress, please take the pro and anti Clinton rants elsewhere, start a new thread.

And no Baphomet, unless you want to talk about the odd temple that used to exist on the Island and why it may have been burned down. From the video linked below the gold figures look more like birds/owls but if you want to make a case for Baphomet, have at it.

R350, you obviously read my long response, hence your references to sex, & death, as well as your linked article, which is a fantastic read, so thanks!

Now that we’ve established that you’re a lousy liar, please go fuck yourself, if you still can.

And my abilities to discern between fantasy from reality, & not fall prey to hysteria, has nothing to do with fear of death, lack of sex, or dying alone.

EVERYONE will reach a day in their life when they no longer have sex. EVERYONE will die, and unless dying with another, or with a group of people who are also dying simultaneously, we ALL die ALONE. Even if dying with others who are dying, or dying surrounded by loved ones, we die alone. You do understand that the only one who can experience your own death, is you, yes?

I think my biggest fears are falling victim to irrational thinking caused by becoming a willing sycophant to whatever zeitgeist prevails at any given time, or having had children, only to find out that I’m not mentally or emotionally fit to be a decent parent, because I haven’t even figured out how to earn a living, or how to think and behave like an adult who isn’t the center of their own universe for more than 5 minutes, while blaming my shit life on pedophilic elites who have amassed massive wealth because they worship at the altar of Satan. Or is it the Jews? Or maybe it’s “the man”? I dunno, but it’s always something, right???

I guess that’s actually my biggest fear. Blaming everyone else around me, or blaming total strangers that I’ve never even met, for not being able to succeed in life, AKA: blaming the Clintons and pizza parlors!

How ‘bout you, hon? What are you afraid of?

[quote]What are you afraid of?

I'm frightened of Belgian chocolates

I'm frightened of potpourri

I'm frightened of James Dean posters

I'm frightened of twenty-six inch screens

I'm frightened of remote control

I'm frightened of endowment plans

I'm frightened of figurines

I'm frightened of evenings in the Brincliffe Oaks searching for a conversation

I'm frightened of early-evening television....

Bill Clinton loved flying on private jets for free. That's why he was on the plane so many times...he wasn't going to the Island every single time he flew.

Epstein merely let Bill fly his plane where ever he was going...to Africa etc...

That's how Epstein connected to Bill. He let him fly for free so many times...so if Epstein invites Bill to Island for dinner etc...of course Bill is gonna go...Bill probably thought they were gonna discuss Epstein donating money to his foundation and what not...

We do not know Bill went there for girls and he's into blonde women, not young girls.

Stephen Hawking probably went there for some science shit...Epstein donated millions to Harvard for their science research etc...

R327, Manchester-by-the-sea is one town away from me.

[quote] And it just makes you all look so profoundly stupid.

Can't Shareblue (R221) hire some new talent? They may as well just sign all of their posts..

I told you—I think she’s in my basement. I keep getting deliveries of stuff I never ordered. I don’t even smoke or drink gin and I’ve never heard of Pimm’s. I’m afraid to go down there.

What should I do?

The last post was a reply to R344's talking points.

No, it wasn’t. Now I have lawyers showing up in town cars asking me where the conference room is. I don’t have a fucking conference room.

It would be so satisfying if that kunt was behind bars. Think of all the hoity-toity people who would pretend they never knew her.

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The Daily Mail CLAIMS that Maxwell is in Mass. That doesn't make it accurate, let alone fact.

Why would she be in the U.S.? For her, being outside seems safer unless the Russians want her dead.

Seriously, what is wrong with this woman? Just another psychopath?

Psychopath and a person who has ties to intelligence. But I repeat myself.

Ghislaine is such a classic. I adore Mitsouko, but honestly Shalimar I could take or leave.

R347 Ironically, in this real-life horrorshow, Eggdick's driver, bodyguard and personal trainer was named 'Igor.'

I do not believe that the Clintons would want JE dead. After al this time?...and both appear to be settled into retirement. My suspicions are more focused on Bill Barr. Exactly why did he come out of retirement and volunteer to be AG? His father, Donald, gave JE entree into the elite world. I'm not sure this has anything to do with Presidents. I would investigate into that.

Just a bit of info........that BBC Scotland Twitter account is a parody account. "Brain" Taylor.

NakedUnderHisClothes has apologised for his mishap. We're moving on.

Let's be extra-careful between reliable sources and parody accounts now.

Broken neck

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Serious question: why did Maxwell go through long spans of time wearing wigs? Did she have cancer & lost her hair via chemo?

It’s pretty obvious that she wore wigs in many photos.

Also, why all of the hubabaloo about this alleged boyfriend? She is a lesbian, & wasn’t her father closeted too?

So the options are:

1) He offed himself (officials not confirming this yet)

2) He was offed (by strangulation - on behalf of what interests?)

3) He was switched out (by which intelligence services)

Anyone else quite surprised GM is in the US? Has she surrendered her passport? Is she that assured of her safety legally (and otherwise) that she would not head out?

She's more S&M than lesbian

A narrative is being shaped - which one though?

Psychopaths often have no firmly fixed sexual orientation, often they lean toward sadism. Their sexuality, like their relationships, are often built on how the other might be utilized.

To those who still see JM or GM as independent bad actors, they could not be any more clearly intelligence. Who do you think they ran those honeypots to benefit? Surely not themselves alone, they would have been eliminated as a threat to the powerful. Helen Keller could see it.

Reportedly he removed the gold dome from the temple before it was demolished. Wonder where that has gotten to?

[quote] I do not believe that the Clintons would want JE dead. After al this time?...and both appear to be settled into retirement.

It's fun to fantasize what a Hillary presidency would look like.

Epstein would be alive and active. We would have a John Podesta Secretary of State. Media would provide 100% percent favorable coverage of the government. These same media personalities would also be enjoying Ghislaine's services...

She’s just a nice Jewish girl. Leave her alone!

Funny how he always insisted he introduced Melania to Trump. Plant or just a good wingman?

The photos of young Markle, too, curious.

Markus Anderson is another flavor of this sort of character, Tony P, another.

Election 2016

From Yahoo Comments:

"Jailhouse hangings don't break bones, they are almost 100% asphyxiation. There is no way to generate that much force while using bed linens, and even in regular hangings the hyoid is rarely broken, unlike in strangulations, where it's pretty common. The only thing I'm convinced of is, it wasn't suicide"

Moar:

"I realize the conclusion that Epstein was "silenced" is almost unavoidable, but consider this. The women who were victimized and have come forward are still alive and kicking, as are any of Epstein’s employees that probably witnessed a lot of what was going on at his mansion, or at least could corroborate certain people being there at a given date. Any testimony Epstein might have given against prominent people would be questionable if his cooperation was part of a plea deal. Therefore it could be argued that bumping off Epstein only turned up the heat. If someone bribed the people guarding Epstein to kill him or at least look the other way, any one of them could give testimony in exchange for immunity from prosecution. They’re probably going to lose their jobs anyway"

From R381

But the Middle East excursion was a rare one for Epstein, according to flight data reviewed by INSIDER. And given the fact that a mysterious false passport found in his home listed a Saudi address and showed travel to Saudi Arabia, the presence of Epstein's jet over the Arabian Peninsula on November 8, 2016—and the unanswered matter of where it landed, and for what reason— adds another entry to a long list of simmering questions about the multi-millionaire's ties to other countries.

Theories regarding Epstein and foreign intelligence agencies have circulated since he publicly befriended Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and daughter of press baron Robert Maxwell. In 2003, the British Foreign Office released archival records that described Maxwell's relationships with the intelligence agencies of the UK, Israel, and Russia.

Focus on Epstein keeps the focus off the honeypots he ran for security services. From R381:

Theories regarding Epstein and foreign intelligence agencies have circulated since he publicly befriended Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and daughter of press baron Robert Maxwell. In 2003, the British Foreign Office released archival records that described Maxwell's relationships with the intelligence agencies of the UK, Israel, and Russia.

More recently, on July 7, the journalist Vicky Ward reported on conversations between Alexander Acosta, the former US Attorney in Miami who stepped down as Secretary of Labor after defending a 2007 plea deal that allowed Epstein to avoid federal prosecution, and members of the Trump administration's transition staff:

Acosta had explained ... [that] he'd cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein's attorneys because he had "been told" to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to leave it alone," he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)

Ward relied on a single a source, presumably a former member of the Trump transition team, relaying something Acosta purportedly said more than two years ago, about a negotiation that had happened more than a decade prior. Still, when confronted with Ward's reporting, Acosta gave a wordy response — "I can't address it directly because of our guidelines, but I can tell you that a lot of reporting is going down rabbit holes" — that didn't answer the question.

Other details unearthed by prosecutors seem like background from a spy novel: A locked safe in Epstein's Manhattan mansion contained $70,000 in cash, 48 loose diamonds, and a counterfeit Austrian passport listing a Saudi Arabian residence under a false name with "stamps that reflect use of the passport to enter France, Spain, the United Kingdom, and Saudi Arabia." In a filing, prosecutors noted that "The Government has asked defense counsel to advise whether the defendant is currently, or has been in the past, a citizen or legal permanent resident of a country other than the United States. To date, defense counsel has declined to respond."

Epstein's lawyers claimed that he carried the passport in order to avoid detection as an "an affluent member of the Jewish faith" during his Middle East travels.

Did not know it was an Austrian passport with a Saudi address, think it was incorrectly reported as a Saudi passport earlier.

The rich, they are not like you and me.

Back in the day

Dumpy having a bad hair day

R352 You're right about the golden totem on top of the temple. It's a big owl. There are a couple of them in Atlanta, where I live. On is on top of the TBS (Tuner Broadcasting System) building near the intersection of I-85 and 10th St. Something to do with "Adult Swim" apparently, see link. The other one I've seen, but can't remember where it is, on top of another building. I don't know what they mean, if anything.

Is her most recent picture from 2014??

In bed with all the right people

the sweet smell of $$$

R369 is on to something. Barr becomes AG and Epstein is arrested and denied bail.

R369 is on to something. Barr becomes AG and Epstein is arrested and denied bail.

Obviously GM is cooperating with the US, that’s why there is evidence that she is stateside.

So......would it not make sense that this case ties in to Mueller too??? We already know they have ties to MSB and Russia, and that they use honeypots AND that they have their hands in both parties. And that many powerful politicians partied on the island. We also know that they were using his private plane for some type of illegal activity in the Middle East. Perhaps JE even has the pee tape copy?

If JE/GM we’re cooperating, or if just GM is cooperating (did she turn on JE?), then that does indeed mean Barr and Trump would want to stop it. The only other possibility is that Barr is actually a plant and has been working against Trump all along, tricking us into believing that he’s loyal to Trump.

Don’t they call this schizophrenia and delusions lololol? If you had told me this was going to happen I would have laughed in your face. I do indeed believe we are watching a CIA operation play out in real-time. I’m still not convinced JE was murdered, I need more than a broken neck bone, sorry.

Also, I’m still waiting waiting waiting on more proof of his income. Also, why are there NO additional pics of the inside of his NYC mansion? I need to see the wedding dress suspended in the foyer, the puppets, prosthetic boobs in the bathroom, et al.

[quote]I’m still not convinced JE was murdered, I need more than a broken neck bone, sorry.

You think it's all just a big coincidence that they took him off suicide watch, stopped doing their checks, falsified their logs, had no cameras around him...really? Just because someone may not have murdered him with their bare hands does not mean they didn't enable his death to the very best of their ability.

R396 I’m going to save your post to look back on. It sounds way out there now but i think there is lots more coming down on tbis.

What do you mean exactly by that r397? “Enabled”?

I think that the poor management of federal institutions is *not* a new problem, and that we would all be horrified to realize that this is indeed the NORM.

They took him off suicide watch because he said the right things (he was smart remember?), that was easy-peasy. They stopped doing their checks because they are shitty employees and were doing overtime so they were pissed to even be there. They falsified their logs because they didn’t want to get written up/fired for not doing their job. And the cameras? I have no answer on that one, I need more info.

I’m not saying though that he wasn’t murdered — I’m just remaining skeptical is all.

R398, I totally agree, my post IS way out there. But that’s where we are, know what I mean? This shit is *insane.*

And perhaps we will never get answers. But if JE/GM tie in to Mueller, then that would indeed explain why a) Pelosi is trying to let this all play out, b) why the report is so redacted, and c) why Barr has acted like she a loyal asshole. It isn’t outside the realm of possibility at this point.

El Chapo was a REAL billionaire, albeit drug money. He was 4 cells from the Eggman.

R401, and your post emphasizes my point. El Chapo has tried to escape, multiple times. We have mostly succeeded in keeping him under control. But I’m supposed to believe someone inside the prison offed JE? It’s ludicrous.

I have been to jails-prisons. There is just no way in hell. The most likely answer is that he offed himself.

OK, let’s put the temple on the island speculation to rest, once & for all; shall we?

The island once belonged to a billionaire Middle Eastern person, who was also Muslim. That’s why the temple with the gold dome was constructed on the island.

Epstein came into possession of the island, with the temple included in the transaction.

R403, can you cite your source please?

Nope, I cannot, but I can tell you, however, that my information is correct.

Whether you choose to believe it, is obviously up to you. No biggie, either way.

oh my, haven't you heard? If you're in a gang and you go to jail, for whatever reason, rival gang member puts a hit out on you in there...you will get killed. Guards get paid to look the other way all the time in jails all over USA and probably other countries too.

So if anyone wanted to kill Epstein, it was 100% possible.

I don't believe he was switched out or he's elsewhere living on the lam. He's past his expiration date in terms of usefulness. He knew too much and it could all come out in the trail. No way they were gonna let him live, he knew the drugs and sexual habits of celebs, world leaders, politicians, orange turd etc.

*trial typo sorry

R405, if you can’t cite a source, there’s the door >>>>>>>>.

Regarding the Austrian passport, I doubt that was used recently...Don't they have to scan your passport now? In the past, it was low tech.

I will have to google but I don't know if Austria was in the visa wavier program with USA

I don't remember if that temple was there when he first bought it. I don't remember seeing it there when I saw pics of the Island donkey years ago...

R410, that’s why I’m challenging that poster to cite a source. Numerous outlets wrote that he built that temple, it was discussed repeatedly because it was so bizarre. And now we’re supposed to believe some anonymous random dude here on DL?

The videos where she talks, on this boring channel, are very strange. She seems out of her depth, scared, nervous, not a good public speaker, annoyed, doesn't necessarily seem to understand the topics at hand, and in spite of that British accent that makes you sound cleverer than you are still sounds like she has no more than a HS education... Very strange. Was she a moving target even then? In 2014? The writing was on the wall even then, she went incomunicado 2 years later. This was all before #MeToo, actually.

Olivia Williams should play her in the inevitable movie. Maxwell even reminds me of Williams character in the film The Ghost Writer.

R403 Why are you spreading lies?? Who is paying you to tell lies on social media?

Here is a citation - unlike you, I can provide a source. The temple was built between 2009 and 2013 by Jeffrey Epstein.

In the meantime, here's a picture of Ghislaine Maxwell with Charlie Rose

[quote]She seems out of her depth, scared, nervous, not a good public speaker, annoyed, doesn't necessarily seem to understand the topics at hand, and in spite of that British accent that makes you sound cleverer than you are still sounds like she has no more than a HS education.

Isn't her alma mater, Balliol College Oxford (along with Christ Church), the most prestigious of the Oxford colleges?

he looks drunk

Interesting theory about the temple...

[quote]Apparently, a blue-and-white-striped, block-shaped building on it bears no resemblance to the octagonally shaped design that had been approved for a music hall, according to permit records. What the structure does resemble, however, is a pharaoh’s headdress. Might this have been intended as a mausoleum for Epstein’s remains? That is, other than his head and penis, which he reportedly wished to have frozen. Also a fan of cryogenics, believing that frozen human parts and bodies could be resurrected in the future, Epstein is no ordinary bloke. Indeed, he is a perversely tragic figure.

[quote]Burdened with suprahuman fantasies and the means to explore them, it seems that Epstein became lost in his own fable. Wandering the skies in his private jet, enamored of his own mind and image, he forgot that he was merely mortal and may have flown too close to the sun.

Let’s just be honest. The temple was ugly as sin. The Bill Clinton painting was poorly rendered by a painter with no classical training, look at the thigh and forearm, it’s embarrassing. JE claimed to enjoy the finer things, but so far I’m not impressed.

^You're probably right, but I'm withholding final judgement until I've see the wedding dress.

R420, but how is it possible that there is no picture of said dress? It is astounding! Surely it exists somewhere? Also, the evidence photos would have it too.

R416 That may well be, she still sounds like a high schooler. Saying platitudes. Reading out something she has not written, in some cases.

What, an Oxford degree can't be bought???

No actual artist ever worked for Epstein. The efforts we've seen are of very sub-sub-par types who try to dump their stuff at garage sales.

R422: I'm as puzzled by all this as you are. And yes, it did occur to me that her degree might have been bought.

This reminds me a little of Sofia Coppola, who was always praised for her literate screenplays (and even won an Oscar for one) yet is so dull and inarticulate in interviews.

I think it’s hilarious that he also had faux Italian High Renaissance “frescos” everywhere, including putti in heaven on the ceiling. He thought he was a fucking Medici.

An appallingly bad public speaker, going by the videos at R412.

The Mosque was indeed, part of the arrangement for Epstein’s purchase of the island.

He used it as a cover, claiming it to be a building used for the specific purpose of worship, and hence was able to claim the property as a non-taxable entity, because it is, essentially, a church, with the capacity to operate and maintain upkeep for the grounds on which it sits, by receiving non-taxable alms and donations from attendants of the faith. Primarily elite Saudis, & other Muslims worldwide.

Believe me, or not. I might have certain specifics wrong, but not why it was built.

R427, Posters on other sites say it looks like a specific sauna or bathhouse in Turkey. Do you know what's built underneath? Clearly there are subterranean tunnels that connect to a hidden lower level entry port from subs.

R406–Prison hits don’t typically happen to someone in a SHU. It’s more of a GenPop thing.

Ok r427, then why all the articles contrary to what you’re saying, hmmmm?

And if that little building is what shielded JE from taxes, then why did he have it dismantled?

CDAN is fucking gross. It's child porn for the cunts who made "satanic ritual abuse" books bought at the grocery store a cottage industry 30 years ago. Add in his Russian ties and the fact that he never calls out any right wing celebs or politicians and it's extra disgusting.

I'm sure that girl who fucked Prince Andrew knows if there are tunnels or what not on the island...she's been there many times. She is talking...I hope some reporters ask her

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Wouldn’t tunneling under an island be horrifically expensive and a massive undertaking? I mean, I think it would be noticed. Seems like the CR lovers are making him out to be a Bond super villain when he was probably a garden variety pervy money launderer and grifter

effrey Epstein’s alleged madam and former lover Ghislaine Maxwell has been discovered — at In-N-Out Burger.

The 57-year-old was photographed alive and well Monday by an eagle-eyed diner at the burger joint in Universal City, Los Angeles.

Once spotted, Maxwell — who was sitting alone with a pet pooch — told an onlooker: “Well, I guess this is the last time I’ll be eating here!” SHE'S IN LA!!!

A source told The Post that a daily regular took the photo.

“He’s at In-N-Out every single day,” the source said. “He went up to her and asked, ‘Are you who I think you are?’ She replied, ‘Yes, I am.'”

Maxwell was reading a book called “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives” and seemed resigned to having her picture snapped, the source said.

“She was perfectly friendly, very lovely.”

Maxwell has been underground for months — and has not been pictured in public since 2016.

Asked how the photographer knew who Maxwell was, the source said: “If you’ve had the TV on, you know who she is, how could you miss her?”

The British-born socialite has long faced allegations that she served as the madam for Epstein, the disgraced convicted sex offender who died over the past weekend by apparent suicide while awaiting trial.

On Wednesday, it was reported that she has been living with tech CEO Scott Borgeson in his secluded mansion in Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, since 2016, according to a close neighbor.

Maxwell left the residence about “one month ago” when the news of her involvement with Epstein broke, a neighbor told The Post.

Borgerson has flatly denied any romance with Maxwell.

“I am not dating Ghislaine, I’m home alone with my cat,” he told The Post.

When asked about the status of his friendship with Maxwell now, Borgerson replied: “I don’t want to comment on that — would you want to talk about your friends?”

Maxwell reportedly recruited underage girls for Epstein and participated in their abuse. At least two women who accused Epstein of sexually abusing them sued Maxwell in 2015, alleging she launched a campaign to damage their reputations and discredit their allegations.

A new front in the Epstein case opened Wednesday morning as his accuser, Jennifer Araoz, filed a lawsuit against his estate, Maxwell and three unnamed female household staff members.

Araoz alleges she was repeatedly sexually assaulted by Epstein at his New York City townhouse when she was 14 and 15 years old, including a forcible rape in 2002.

She first disclosed her alleged abuse in an exclusive “Today” show interview with Savannah Guthrie on July 10, the same day she filed papers in New York state court, saying she intended to sue Epstein.

The complaint Araoz filed Wednesday alleges Maxwell and the staffers “conspired with each other to make possible and otherwise facilitate the sexual abuse and rape of Plaintiff.”

^No, he saw himself as James Bond. Would you be the least bit surprised if you found out he had a swimming pool with a shark in it? No.

Jizzlane was a trained helicopter AND submarine pilot and boasted about it.

Gasliteen

I never knew our Jizz was such a hero! Boy, am I inspired

The blog is called MISADVENTURES.

R434, "Garden variety pervs?" You're either extremely ill-informed or a paid shill. Whatever it cost to hire 3rd world workers to create an elaborate underground tunnel system pales in comparison to JE's elaborate spreads in NM, NY, France, and FL.

^If the garden variety is Versailles.

A lot of those islands have beach inlets with, sometimes large, underground grottos. I have been diving and snorkeling in some that could easily accommodate smaller underwater craft. It could be that very little dredging would need to be done. I don't know anything about Maxwell's needs for such mooring. I'm saying it is probably less complicated than you might imagine.

R442, It is in fact far more complicated than you might imagine. Are you aware of how much JE spent just to destroy the unbelievably intricate system of tunnels? Real question is why JE needed to pay to haul in cement in an attempt to cover over all of the evidence. Or was it all Mossad's/CIA's/M16's money?

Cannot fathom how some posters on this thread can be so dense re the realities of what was obviously occurring for decades.

[quote]She definitely fucked the girls with strap ons and dildos. Many of the victims pointed the finger at her.

She was "fingered" for recruiting girls for Epstein. There's no accusation that she was interested in the girls herself, and there's never been any mention of strap-ons. Why would anyone invent that? Is the image of a middle-aged woman with a strap-on dominating underage girls arousing to people here?

R444, At the time of JE's original arrest in FL, G Maxwell's involvement in recruiting girls and occasionally participating in 3-ways and/or demonstrating proper "massage" techniques and more for JE was well documented by various online investigative reporters. Specific details of G Maxwell's bent for S/M and strap-ons were omitted but readers wondered why the obvious pimp/Dom was never arrested.

r445 In other words, the strap-on thing might as well be pure bullshit.

R435 WTF is she doing at a fast-food joint posing for snapshots?

I'm thinking....maybe....

R447 Blowing her cover. At this point she's decided it's safer to be hiding in plain sight instead of getting disappeared and nobody ever finding her body.

"Maxwell, who was reading a book called “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives,” has been underground for months — and has not been pictured in public since 2016."

Guess that book title is confirmation she's been working with the CIA for years, as many suspected.

It is well-known that Maxwell did participate, and she was about 40 then, not 57 like she is now.

Who eats that shit if they don't have to? How the mighty socialite has fallen.

You are correct, R450. Although the know-it-alls and busybodies would have you question yourself.

[quote]Police have reportedly been scrambling to find Maxwell she faces a new lawsuit from one victim who alleges the socialite gave “organizational support to Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring” and procured “underage girls for Epstein’s sexual pleasure.”

[quote]David Boies, a lawyer for Giuffre and other Epstein victims, said Maxwell should be prosecutors’ next logical focus after Epstein’s demise. “Maxwell is not gonna be able to hide,” Boies predicted. “There’s no place in the civilized world where she can go and not be found. And unlike Epstein, she does not have the massive resources that would be required to carve out a new life in some obscure place where she cannot be extradited from.”

^ Try again, troll.

Juan Alessi, Epstein’s former house manager, testified he saw “probably over 100” girls serve Epstein at his Palm Beach home over 10 years. After each encounter, Alessi said, he would clean up the home’s upstairs massage room. In multiple occasions, he said, he found “vibrators or sex toys” and put them in Maxwell’s closet because he “knew that’s where they kept” such items, along with a “shiny black costume.” Tony Figueroa, Giuffre’s ex-boyfriend, also testified Giuffre said she participated in threesomes with Maxwell and Epstein, usually involving “strap-ons.” He says that Maxwell also asked him to find girls for Epstein. Maxwell has denied anything sexual took place during Epstein’s massages.

I’m reposting this from earlier

[quote]Obviously GM is cooperating with the US, that’s why there is evidence that she is stateside.

So......would it not make sense that this case ties in to Mueller too??? We already know they have ties to MSB and Russia, and that they use honeypots AND that they have their hands in both parties. And that many powerful politicians partied on the island. We also know that they were using his private plane for some type of illegal activity in the Middle East. Perhaps JE even has the pee tape copy?

If JE/GM we’re cooperating, or if just GM is cooperating (did she turn on JE?), then that does indeed mean Barr and Trump would want to stop it. The only other possibility is that Barr is actually a plant and has been working against Trump all along, tricking us into believing that he’s loyal to Trump.

Don’t they call this schizophrenia and delusions lololol? If you had told me this was going to happen I would have laughed in your face. I do indeed believe we are watching a CIA operation play out in real-time. I’m still not convinced JE was murdered, I need more than a broken neck bone, sorry.

Also, I’m still waiting waiting waiting on more proof of his income. Also, why are there NO additional pics of the inside of his NYC mansion? I need to see the wedding dress suspended in the foyer, the puppets, prosthetic boobs in the bathroom, et al.

r454 How do you know they didn't use them on Jeffery?

Checkmate.

Sorry, that whole post is from this morning at r455.

For those visiting Paris, Epstein's property was 22 Avenue Foch.

R439 Thanks for the link. Author of the article confirms that Ghislaine Maxwell is trained in how to pilot submarines;

“On my first submarine dives (she is a certified submersibles pilot) I was excited thinking that when I got to the bottom of the ocean at over 1000 feet down I might discover a new species or a sea monster but I did not… I saw a plastic hanger and not one single fish! I cried, and I knew that I wanted to do something active and positive to make the ocean a central issue.”

Well, even monsters have good sides. Nothing is completely good or bad. Maybe she did love the ocean.

However, her love for the ocean is not going to be on trial - more like the abuse of underage victims.

So here is what I’ll add to r455:

She has now been confirmed as being here obviously. This again points to her cooperating.

She was purposely papped with a book about being in the CIA lol.

JE obviously could have easily gone to numerous places with no extradition, but what did he do? He *also* returned/stayed here. Is it not possible that he too was cooperating? At a minimum, could he have come here thinking he would be safer in the US?

Trump signed a letter on behalf of her father. So.....this makes it seem highly likely that Trump knew the daughter was with Epstein (and so did the father) and that this letter was part of perhaps a barter for her? Just speculating.

And so I again circle back to Russia. The bodyguard is Russian. He’s obviously lying and changing his story, and he was very close to JE. I’m waiting for more smoking guns on the Trump connections.

She must not feel she has anything to worry about if she's out and about in LA, of all places, reading that book, not denying who she is or hiding her face when someone wants a photo. It's all too strange. Feels set up in a way. Where is all of this going?

It does feel like she had a rendezvous of sorts with the source from the Post who took the picture. Who knows. How apt that she was reading that book on the CIA. You can't make that shit up.

JE connections to Trump:

JE involved in Trump’s real estate transactions, which we know ties them both to Russian mob, money laundering, and DeustcheBank.

JE recruited at least one girl from Mar-a-Lago. This girl’s father was an employee for Trump. Trump wrote him a recommendation.

Both men owned modeling agencies.

Both men have ties to the Russian mob and underworld.

Both men were/are serial sex abusers.

Both men were fake billionaires.

Both men have socialized together for decades.

More from R454's link

[quote]Maxwell Allegedly Had Her Own Sex Slaves

[quote]When Maxwell wasn’t allegedly ordering girls to service Epstein and his friends, she abused them herself, according to at least three people. Giuffre said she, Maxwell, and Epstein “were all intimate together on multiple occasions,” her ex-boyfriend Tony Figueroa testified. Johanna Sjoberg testified that Maxwell called a girl who was giving massages to Epstein “her slave.” A former house manager testified that Maxwell received massages from girls, as well. Maxwell denies these claims.

[quote]Giuffre’s lawyers claimed that Maxwell kept photos of underage girls on her computers, and two of Epstein’s housekeepers also testified that they saw photos of young nude females on Maxwell’s devices.

R427 I reread your comment and I think I now see where you're coming from.

"...by receiving non-taxable alms and donations from attendants of the faith. Primarily elite Saudis, & other Muslims worldwide."

It seems like you are saying that one of the uses for that strange structure was that in some way it had been legally designated a mosque, which allowed Epstein to use it as a conduit for donations/bribes/money laundering from countries with Islamic finance rules. That seems plausible. But it's not actually a mosque (for one thing, mosques don't have giant golden statues of owls on them).

Also - the structure did not exist when Epstein purchased the island in 1998. The linked article provides historical images from Google maps showing that it was built between 2009 and 2013.

"In August 2009, nothing existed on the southwest corner of the island:

By February 2013, however, both structures (and newly widened paths leading to them) were clearly visible from above:"

So the building is only about ten years old, but your general point may well be true - that one of its functions was as a 'mosque' used possibly for tax shelter purposes and more likely for laundering money coming in from Saudi Arabia and other types of places under the guise of religious donations.

Both men are in a video with Trump pointing out at women and making comments on the women.

[quote]You can't make that shit up.

R463 Right? It boggles the mind.

If she was working as a double or triple agent as it is my belief she was, she was dropped by Moscow today. That is why she had to show her face. IMO.

boyfriend denying that Maxwell is in the states and is saying they are just friends. Now they are saying she is in LA

Stop trying to claim it's a Republican thing or a Democrat thing.

It's a power thing. This whole sordid mess operates above and outside partisan the usual political issues - they were ALL complicit. Everyone's implicated, which is why it's highly likely that this whole story will be buried as quickly as possible.

Body double.

TerraMar sure was "deep-sixed" in a hurry after Eggdick was jailed. What was it fronting?

Likely laundering for her income, though it was also more than anything her cover. She even gave a TED talk.

money laundering? arms dealing? human cargo? all of the above?

What can you do in international waters that you can't do on land? And what is it with the faux insignia?

Scientology have those as well. And the Sea Org, their special ship for carrying out the slave work that they do.

Will a mention of CoS get a thread shut down? Sorry about that if it does. Save the stuff you want

She disguised as Cap'n Crunch.

The new tech CEO beaux is more than likely a front. It's probably just a safe house for her. I suspect he is an agent too, as it seems highly ironic his business is involved in logistics, and software for shipping. Highly unlikely this pedo-accessory cum sea-hag is his girlfriend.

It's all so mundane.

R449, yes, she’s blowing her cover & purposefully so.

The book title is a specific message to someone who has lots to lose if she’s not cut loose. It’s a “death threat”, meaning: “the death of your career or the death of your reputation, or ‘persona/identity’, if I’m not completely extricated from the entire thing”. The book also might signal that she, herself, has “written a book” on the persons whom she is threatening, & that if she suddenly disappears or is found dead, the contents of this “book”, get out to the general public.

This is an old trick that was used by actual spies, many, many moons ago.

There is absolutely ZERO good reason for good ole Ghislaine to show up at In & Out, on Ventura Blvd, in fucking Studio City, of all places.

The bitch has a sense of humor, I’ll give her that.

R470 Crazy she was reading that book.

Yes, the pathetic lie R403 tries to spread tells you everything... the temple is an important clue that needs to be investigated.

Imagine getting paid a few dollars an hour to literally defend pedos and child molestors. These shills are the scum of the internet.

R481, Do you think it's just a coincidence G Maxwell was papped so near the studios? Bet her "insurance book" contains a lot of juicy reveals about celebs.

She sounds lower class!

Will Ghislaine be the new "Happy Hooker"? Somehow, I don't think so. Or maybe the gruesome hooker. Who knows.

I'm convinced she's an agent, or was as many are born into via the parents. Wikipedia also states she has citizenship here in the States, France, and GB. Other sources claim an Israeli and Austrian passport. Sounds like secret agent stuff to me. I wouldn't in the least be surprised if she holds Russian, and Czech Republic passports as well. She's probably in possession of aliases other than Sea-Hag and JizzyLane

The woman papped at In-n-Out looks too young to be G Maxwell. Who else thinks it's a planted double?

Linked video is of earlier JE researcher. True that she now works at CNN?

R481 "The book also might signal that she, herself, has “written a book” on the persons whom she is threatening, & that if she suddenly disappears or is found dead, the contents of this “book”, get out to the general public.

This is an old trick that was used by actual spies, many, many moons ago."

Good point. After seeing what happened to her father I imagine Ghislaine has been busy for the last three years creating a foolproof dead man's switch. She seems to have retired in 2016 and left the business. And now all this is blowing up and Epstein is already dead.

The expression at R435 that Maxwell is giving into the camera is a serious "fuck you". She looks really pissed off. Basically with the title of the book she's reading, Maxwell has already outed the CIA's involvement in all this mess. That's already done. Next up it's going to be specific individuals.

I like to think that one of the redundant dead man's switch locations that she set up is 1000 feet underwater.

I wonder if "In-and-Out" Burger is another clue.

She’s also taking meetings. For sure the big players are all geared up to buy the rights, write the script, & produce the film and/or series.

I hope her agent & she choose well. It’s not like she’s flat broke, or destitute.

Another rumor I heard is that Epstein had children. Their alleged mothers were two of his real deal personal/administrative assistants, not involved in the recruiting of teen girls. He was not romantically or sexually involved with one of them, & that was an IVF deal. I haven’t any dirt on how the 2nd child was conceived, or if any of this is true, for that matter.

LOL, r490!

Touché.

some of your are fucking stupid. she was never charged in FL coz she was given immunity! but only in FL.

She definitely abused the girls sexually. Many victims said so.

How does one acquire so many passports? the legal ones I mean...

R488 The face on the NY Post is the same as all the pics on this thread, except a little bit older. This is a physionomist talking. Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

R489 I wonder how it went down. There's a first, distinctive "fuck you" (with the glasses). Then a break. And she poses for a picture. Very interesting who the Post sent there, not your average papparazzo.

R491 Apparently a dozen people are claiming rights to his estate, so maybe he did get his baby farm after all.

The world needed to perpetuate this gene pool. Clearly we were getting somewhere.

This whole creepy island weird structure and tunnel scenario just puts me in the mind of "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward" by HP Lovecraft.

Minus the pedo crap. But I won't be surprised to learn this egg dicked creeper was also concocting necromancy experiments and trying to become immortal through blasphemous means.

Vice concludes Jizz wasn't alone at the burger joint...

[quote] Analysis of the photo does raise one further question, though, aside from the one having to do with just what Maxwell was eating. In the Post’s photo, there are two drinks, what appear to be two cell phones or at least internet-connected devices, and, in the tray, what appear to be two paper wrappers. The California burger chain serves fries in a paper tray, so a second wrapper would suggest a second sandwich. That, together with the two drinks and two devices, suggests that despite the Post reporting that she was “sitting alone with a pet pooch,” she was in fact at the California burger place with a mysterious second, non-dog party.

[quote] Why a rich person credibly accused of facilitating a campaign of brutal sexual violence against children is not only on the loose but couldn't be pinned down to the level of a continent until just now is another question entirely.

[quote] Do you know who Maxwell’s possibly-extant dining companion is, anything about where she is, and/or anything we should know generally? Contact me at tim.marchman@vice.com or more securely at timmarchman on Telegram.

Truth has become stranger than fiction lately. Who needs premium cable or Netflix when you have this whole lurid saga to follow?

Urgh, Lovecraft... the decrepitude never ends.

Could the dinner companion be... the photographer?

R500 I know what you mean. This reminds me of last year, when the Swedes treated us to their own lurid saga. Also the elite, also secrecy, and somehow again French people.

[quote]Could the dinner companion be... the photographer?

Ding-ding-ding.

Look at Trump socializing with some very rich people!

Isn’t that Robert Maxwell, on the far right?

How much did the NY Post pay Jizz and her paparazzo for that exclusive? From all the way across the country, no less. She must miss her Upper East Side stomping grounds.

Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are all seen in this video in close proximity. What is your point?

Where do we think she's staying? Hotel or rich friend's mansion?

There's no shortage of glitterati residing in Studio City.

R494, she's a British and Czech citizen through her father and a French citizen through her mother. She was also naturalized as a US citizen, so that's a how she has 4 citizenships.

How is it possible to have 4 citizenships?

R510 She was also born in France.

R481. You are dead on correct.

R494 Her father, Robert Maxwell had been thought to be a triple, or quadruple agent. He was an agent for Israeli intelligence; celebrated as a national hero, and buried there. That's how she could possibly have obtained an Istaeli passport. He also was league with the Russians.

Spies have no trouble whatsoever accumulating identities and passports.

R512, French citizenship is not given by default if you are simply born on French soil. You have to apply for it upon reaching the age of majority and must have established French residency in order to get it, if you are born to foreign parents. However, French citizenship by descent is automatic if you are born to a French parent regardless of place of birth. Her mother was French, so she is a French citizen by default.

R512, French citizenship is not given by default if you are simply born on French soil. You have to apply for it upon reaching the age of majority and must have established French residency in order to get it, if you are born to foreign parents. However, French citizenship by descent is automatic if you are born to a French parent regardless of place of birth. Her mother was French, so she is a French citizen by default.

R499 "facilitating a campaign of... violence against children ". I'm sorry but this is media histrionics designed to whip up American emotionalism. Maxwell and Epstein were paying teenagers to fuck Epstein. Highly illegal and very predatory but this isn't exactly the war in Bosnia or a Cambodian child brothel. It's stuff like this that makes me distrust the news coverage on this case. And I don't doubt that Epstein and co broke no shortage of laws.

[quote]There's no shortage of glitterati residing in Studio City.

The hills, only.

I'm sure there will be detailed reports in future...FBI investigation etc. We will find out if there are tunnels and all the contents of vaults and safes etc...

Until then, it's all just rumors.

Okay. So, who is in my basement?

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Transhumanism research may not just have been about $ laundering?

It would be too implausible as a script

R525, Your link leads down the rabbit hole to several very interesting Blinds with A-list celebs.

China has done extensive research with Transhumanism and creating hybrids. Apparently many super elite around the world are still seeking the fountain of youth in any possible form. Remember when top scientists paid to have their heads removed from their dead bodies and frozen via cryogenics? That was an old school scam.

None of this would make the script for a bad Lifetime movie.

So many messages being sent. Remember the famous quote about the world being ruled by images?

These extra details from the photo op with GM are so over the top. Someone quoted in a blurb on the CIA book has been appointed re: the autopsy. Come on! Could he have been valuable enough to switch out? Hard to know what to think at this point, the strategy seems to be to create chaos, have many details that are literally extraordinary and to extingish the story in a tsunami of info. Who is calling the shots? Mossad? Remember the rumors that her father was not, in fact dead, either. None of us can really say about any of this.

Who names their child [italic]Ghislaine [/italic]?

what's the point of switching him out? He is of no value to anyone, just a liability to lots of powerful people. He told everyone someone was trying to kill him.

He was killed. Several broken bones in neck. He has to pay for his misdeeds, no way they are gonna let him get away with abusing all those girls.

Her French mother you twit R528. A bit foreign for you, is it?

The French are all perverted.

She's wearing (and showing off) and English signet ring, even though she's female and only aristo and gentry men wear them. He father was Czech. What the fuck English family heraldry would she be showing off?

Wexler was CIA/Mossad/M16 too. Yes all 3 spy agencies are linked.

That review is bullshit larping.

Also, the review was for the Kindle edition not the hardcover. Also, American English is used--GM's an Oxford grad.

Women wear chevaliers (signet rings) too.

What is CoS and who is MBR please?

CoS= Church of Scientology

R528 It's French. It has variants in other cultures as well. You need to get out more.

I had much trouble finding a link, if even remote, for Ghislaine's Austrian passport. Now it all makes sense Ronald Lauder obtained it for her. (since he obtained one for Epstein) So funny, was it like a free GWP: purchase two Esteé Lauder lipsticks and a nail varnish, and the passport is our free gift! Mega-Group sounds almost unbelievable.

r536, you've shown your nouveau riche aspirations just there.

It's called a "Chevaliere", not a "Chevalier" and it's an invention of 21st Century lower middle classes to demonstrate that they had some gentry twenty generations back.

Counts for nothing except to show the level of one's striving. Which is antithetical to everything aristocracy represents. Believe me, women who wear them, even the ones with titles, are privately sneered at by those who invite them to parties.

And Pippa might be able to get away with it without open comment, but that's only because she's sister to the future Queen Consort.

I'm surprised Super Striving Meg doesn't wear one (give her time....)

Are you aware that all those Daily Mail posts pushing Clinton involvement are heavily pro-Trump - the Daily Mail is owned by Rupert Murdoch, for fuck's sake. They are fans of Putin pal Boris Johnson and to limited extents, Julian Assange. That is who is pushing this narrative. How fucked up that misogyny towards Hillary means fake-progressive bros who lack any iota of critical thinking are salivating to lick Putin's cock and enable his pedophile friends like Trump, Epstein and Dershowitz.

R541, I live in France, and these rings (excuse the typo) are worn by men and women with aristocratic French roots.

Jesus, a signet ring? Trans humanism, sick experiments?

Epstein was an eccentric pervert, not Dr. Mengela . And trans humans already exist. Anyone with a pacemaker is living with a device that assists with the regulation of their heart. Hearing aids, glasses, contact lenses, prosthetic limbs, etc. Anyone using any of these things, are doing so because a device was invented that made up for what their human body lacked.

Trans humanism isn’t what some of you here thinks it is.

She was just spotted @ an In-and-Out Burger in California.

But they're being very tight lipped about what she ordered.

She was just spotted @ an In-and-Out Burger in California.

But they're being very tight lipped about what she ordered.

Did she eat the fries?

Cheers R545, but we were up to speed on that yesterday. Have you been reading the thread?

R540, interesting.

Everyone fuck right off with your Trump and Clinton BS. This is far above the pay grade of either. Start your own thread.

Wexler literally set up JE, so was clearly spooky himself. An international businessman is good cover and VS would obv present advantages re: recruiting, moving, etc lots of young women.

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This whole thing is getting weirder. But Ghislaine could well just be reading books and waiting to get arrested.

Was the cement mixer discussed?

So, does she get arrested today?

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Interesting tapes, and interesting comments.

Read all of the reviews to the book she was photographed reading.

Interesting. Especially the review that uses the word “trumped” as a verb.

Is she trolling us? " I picked up this book at the advice of a friend and absolutely couldn't put it down. I'd read it walking the dog, getting fast food, or even just lounging around the house."

*****

The reviews started the same year she launched her ocean preservation cover, in 2012. It starts with Fifty Shades Freed, believe it or not...

Some are brazen choices: Monsters in the Dark by Pepper Winters "This is a dark and sometimes painful study of twisted desire and human trafficing. Both the main characters seem to revel in the painful aspects of sex with plenty of blood shed during lovemaking. The scenes of sex slavery and the kidnapping rings are very graphic and difficult to read at times but Winter keeps you enthralled if horrified. This couple deserves some happiness after the events portrayed although you are never sure they will get it. A good story but tough to take at times. It kept me awake at night."

It continues: Claudia Must Die by T. B. Markinson "Kind of an odd group of characters. Everyone is dysfunctional and sociopathic. The climax is somewhat anti and I really didn't bond with any of the characters. A fair story but not enthralling."

You won't be finding any George Eliot or F. Scott Fitzgerald, but if anyone is looking for tips on the likes of "a very engaging dirty story", they've come to the right place!

Thanks for that history, R558.

I did think he was dead but am coming around to switched out as a possibility. All of this is so over the top and aimed at stoking talk and conspiracy theories. Who knows what is or could be true?

Who is VS please? Can we have a pinned post at the top with all the initials and acronyms?

VS is Victoria, the main accuser and the big thorn in Prince Andrews side. I’m surprised she’s still breathing.

Virginia, sorry

VS = Victoria's Secret

R525 MintPress News has been known to reprint copy from RT and Sputnik, FWIW.

R552 So what do we think Eggdick was trying to cover up with $40k worth of cement?

Everyone keeps saying it was to fill in tunnels r565, but I have to read a legit report saying that occurred.

If there were actually tunnels, I’m going to flip my wig for real.

I think ol Jizzie is gonna disappear completely.

Yep, take the MintPressNews stuff with many, many grains of salt. Just because people can be connected doesn't mean that they were. Lots and lots of speculation, not tons of facts--some, but not tons. None of the people in the story were reached for comment. No one confirmed anything.

Noticed MintPress is a huge supporter of the empty-headed Tulsi Gabbard, which goes with it being linked to Russian propaganda.

Learn to read skeptically.

[quote]The Jeffrey Epstein case is forcing the American public to reckon with difficult questions about power, wealth, and the apparent ease with which all too many people were able to ignore evidence of abuse.

[quote]The federal government defines trafficking as using “force, fraud, or coercion” to make someone perform labor. That can include sex trafficking. When he died, Epstein was facing trafficking charges in connection with allegations that he paid underage girls for sex.

[quote]“If we can think about power, if we can think about status, if we can think about need and how all of that plays into these cases,” said Tuerkheimer, the Northwestern professor, “I think we’ll have a greater understanding and greater empathy when someone comes forward.”

From the JE Part 2 thread, post #327

[quote]you’re an idiot if you think this story is going to bust up human trafficking rings, and you’re even a bigger idiot if you think this particular “story” is relevant or current to the human trafficking that exists right now.

[qoute]If you’re so concerned and hysterical about human trafficking, why don’t you prove it, by voting for leaders who make genuine attempts to provide financial parity to many, rather than further enriching the ultra wealthy?

[quote]Your type always wants to screech about how corrupt men are exploiting children, yet mysteriously vote for the same people who enable such exploitation.

[quite]Are you American? Did you vote for Trump? Do you believe that President Trump is working tirelessly to stop the bloody stain that is human bondage, because QAnon or CDAN says so? Because understand the following: the First Lady of The United States of America was also sex trafficked and purchased, LITERALLY, for and by President Donald Trump.

[quote]I hope you understand that one of the most vile, pieces of shit who whores himself out to the highest bidder is now our President, and I also hope you understand is currently happening in this country and across Europe. ALL democracies are vulnerable to fascism, & sweetheart, we are well on our way, too.

[quote]I hope I’ve assumed incorrectly regarding your “politics “. If I have, I sincerely apologize. I mean that. However, if I have not, then fuck off.

Wow I fucked that up!

[quote]you’re an idiot if you think this story is going to bust up human trafficking rings, and you’re even a bigger idiot if you think this particular “story” is relevant or current to the human trafficking that exists right now.

[quote]If you’re so concerned and hysterical about human trafficking, why don’t you prove it, by voting for leaders who make genuine attempts to provide financial parity to many, rather than further enriching the ultra wealthy?

[quote]Your type always wants to screech about how corrupt men are exploiting children, yet mysteriously vote for the same people who enable such exploitation.

[quote]Are you American? Did you vote for Trump? Do you believe that President Trump is working tirelessly to stop the bloody stain that is human bondage, because QAnon or CDAN says so? Because understand the following: the First Lady of The United States of America was also sex trafficked and purchased, LITERALLY, for and by President Donald Trump.

[quote]I hope you understand that one of the most vile, pieces of shit who whores himself out to the highest bidder is now our President, and I also hope you understand is currently happening in this country and across Europe. ALL democracies are vulnerable to fascism, & sweetheart, we are well on our way, too.

[quote]I hope I’ve assumed incorrectly regarding your “politics “. If I have, I sincerely apologize. I mean that. However, if I have not, then fuck off.

And this gem. I’m only adding these because they are all pieces of the GM puzzle too:

[quote]Melania was definitely an Eastern European escort. Women would fuck Trump but no one would want to stay with him. He's a disgusting, piggy mental case and he's gotten worse as he's gotten older. I think Melania is very much on the spectrum and is dazzled by shiny items, like a crow is. She's as shallow and empty as Trump is and she agreed to be his full time escort-wife in return for all the clothes and jewels she could wear. She was no doubt told by her parents to demand a Trump child as well, so she would be guaranteed child support.

[quote]No doubt she never wanted Trump to win. It has cut into her life of shopping, accumulating shiny baubles, spa visits and multiple cosmetic procedures. I'm sure that, like Trump, Melania does not read and is not interested in information outside of her few interests. She doesn't speak French, Italian and German, as she claims. She has no degree. She barely speaks English. Though Ivana had a lot of friends even she was young and married to Trump, you never hear of Melania's friends. People who've met her say "she's nice." No one says, "I like her a lot." Or "she's a warm person" or a "loyal friend." Basically, she just exists and shops. She's capable of sustaining human communication in a very basic way for short periods of time. But you never hear that she loves opera or the symphony or is a patron of museums and the arts. She never had a charity she was passionate about. Trump set her up in business selling skin cream made out of caviar. That's pretty much Melania in a nutshell - skin cream made with overpriced fish eggs.

[quote]Btw, that's a thing Park Ave surgeons and dermatologists did for their wives. Set them up in a skin care business so that if they divorced, the sife would get the business which would be worth a certain amount of money, thereby letting the husband if the hook for some of the alimony & child support. Of course, after the divorce was final the husbands would raise the rent on the business and stop making referrals to their post op patients and the businesses would fail.

[quote]You'd have to be a shallow, soulless near-cretin to marry and stay with Donald Trump. Melania helped push the birther conspiracy and made other ridiculous assertions about Obama on television.

From the Vox article

[quote]Most trafficking has nothing to do with sex: The majority of trafficked people are forced into other kinds of labor, like domestic or agricultural work.

Let's not downplay harrassment of any kind, including sexual harrassment, in the context of slavery. Which is what human trafficking is. Sure, it's not sexual slavery, but let's not be naive and believe everything is separate.

Everybody has an agenda. This is getting media attention, so now any agenda that is even vaguely related will try and get some press off the sails of this story.

In the meantime, how inefficient is law enforcement in the US??

Human trafficking is going to get worse under Trump. It's already happening right under our very noses.

Trump was placed in office in order to facilitate the movement of dirty money, as well as various trafficking activities including drugs, arms, and of course people. He is scum. He needs to be exposed and removed from office ASAP.

Are we going to get our daily picture of LA Jizz? Or was that just for yesterday?

It's not going well. The Doofus is shitting his orange pants.

The Telegraph doesn't buy it, either...

[quote]What led America’s most watched woman, who has not been photographed in public since 2016, to appear at one of the most recognisable places in one of the most photographed cities in the world?

[quote]The emergence of the picture, reportedly taken on Monday afternoon, has led to speculation that Miss Maxwell may be planting appearances to avoid public scrutiny. Fittingly, she was reportedly reading a book on the "secret lives" of CIA operatives.

[quote]The photos, obtained by the New York Post, show the socialite sat hunched over a burger, wearing a pair of glasses and with two plastic cups on her table. In a second shot, she appears to be posing with her glasses removed and a book placed in front of her. A smartphone is sat on the opposite side of the table, suggesting she was not dining alone.

[quote]When asked about Miss Maxwell’s appearance, In-and-Out employees claimed to have been gagged by their employer and under strict orders "not to speak behalf of In-and-Out".

[quote]Miss Maxwell’s links to Los Angeles are tenuous, with her circle of socialite and reality star friends anchored to the east coast.

[quote]On Wednesday a report suggesting Miss Maxwell was in a secluded beach front property in Manchester-by-the-sea, in Massachusetts led camera crews to the quiet New England town One local resident, who said he often saw Miss Maxwell and Mr Borgerson out running, said she had been not seen in the area for at least two weeks.

Wow, I’m stunned that that book review appears to have really been written by Ghislaine Maxwell herself. I thought that it was a joke account created yesterday by a prankster but no, the book reviews go back seven years and they’re very consistent.

What the fuck?

R581 She's so brazen about using her real name. Was she planning to establish a presence on Amazon in the hopes of one day self-publishing her own book?

Maybe? As an erotic writer, have a second career.

She certainly reviewed a lot of novels that had threesomes in them.

So wit- she's now rounding up trade for Trump at In-N-Out? I guess that's strangely appropriate. He loves "fast food."

Was Jonathan Tunick involved?

The Amazon shipping docs and packing slips for Epstein and Maxwell are much more fascinating than these reviews. In the court docs released last Friday afternoon, images showing there were several books on training sex slaves, human bondage, and the art of getting people to submit psychologically. The source for finding orders and packing slips were found under links on Claire McCaskill's Twitter pages. Some haunting titles.

R581, Agreed. I got a lot of criticism yesterday for linking a site to several of G Maxwell's book reviews with posters claiming I was stupid for not realizing the fakery. IMHO it's likely G Maxwell's American born assistant edited much of what she wrote, explaining the lack of British-English verbiage.

"a fair book" (from one of the reviews) and even the matter-of-factness of many of the reviews sounded very English to me. In any case yes, it seems like she was trying to establish a presence. That and the ocean thing. Very bizarre.

There was literally a title that went "SM 101" or something like that.

r134, What does Robert Rodriquez have to do with the Hostel movies? That was Eli Roth.

Correct R590. Some of our posters get a little carried away. Much of this thread is valuable, however

R590 Sadism for Dummies?

**R589

Both Jizz and Eggdick were hard at work trying to launder their reputations after his sex offender conviction.

[quote]Three years ago, a socially prominent heir to a fortune told Jeffrey Epstein, “You need to call Couri Hay.” Epstein, a registered sex offender who had finished serving a 13-month sentence in a Florida lockup on prostitution charges, was plotting his return to polite society. And R. Couri Hay was a New York society publicist with a reputation for creating—and in some cases restoring—reputations among the plutocrat class. “I don’t want ‘billionaire pervert’ to be the first line of my obituary,” Hay says Epstein told him during what would be the first of three meetings, the publicist recalls to T&C.

[quote]So what do we think Eggdick was trying to cover up with $40k worth of cement?

girls' shoes?

If you want an interesting rabbit hole to fall down, here it is. According to the linked article Jizz founded an all-women's club known as Kit Kat Club in the U.K.. The club itself has had many iterations through the years. When you go to the website of the Kit Kat Club, it has obviously been scrubbed of any mention of her. But several business magazines mention her as founder. There are some very interesting folks running the club; and even more interesting people listed as past speakers.

She certainly looks the part of shrewd, sadistic dominatrix in R596 's pic.

It's time for part 2...who's got a catchy title?

R596, Would it be true that Kate Middleton was seen at the Kit Kat Club?

^^ How about: Cough up the truth Jizzy, we have lives to lead.

^^ How about: Cough up the truth Jizzy, we have lives to lead.