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Why isn't Submissive Top a Thing?

OK, so here's a question: why isn't "submissive top" or "sub top" more of a thing? If it is, why don't men willingly identify as such? Any #subtops out there?

We all know the hetero-normative #DomTop and #SubBttm, and a lot of bottoms embrace being a PowerBttm or BossyBttm. Which means there must be "submissive" or "passive" tops out there--men who like to top, but prefer the bottom to be dominant, take control, and the focus is on the bottom's pleasure.

Thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 31August 12, 2019 2:03 PM

I would find managing my ankles, ears as anchors for them and my dick a challenge.

by Anonymousreply 1August 11, 2019 6:49 PM

OP haven’t you ever been to a party where a top with a big dick is blindfolded and tied to a chair and everyone takes turns with him???

by Anonymousreply 2August 11, 2019 6:53 PM

R2 ... NO, but that sounds hot. Again, why isn't it more of a thing guys identify as?

by Anonymousreply 3August 11, 2019 7:03 PM

Good point, OP I know a lot like that. They want to just lie there while the bottom does all the work.

by Anonymousreply 4August 11, 2019 7:08 PM

I think it's cute when bottoms think they're in charge. Gives them a momentary rush of power before I bring them back to reality.

by Anonymousreply 5August 11, 2019 7:10 PM

When you make the roofie too strong, tops can kind of be like this.

In my experience.

by Anonymousreply 6August 11, 2019 7:15 PM

It's called being a lazy top, and most of them are either unaware, or prefer not to advertise.

by Anonymousreply 7August 11, 2019 7:23 PM

Yeah, R7, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a power dynamic where the bottom is in control, and the top gets off on it. Just like the opposite power dynamic of DomTop and SubBttm that people fetishize.

by Anonymousreply 8August 11, 2019 7:26 PM

Such a thing is just not possible!

by Anonymousreply 9August 11, 2019 7:41 PM

Look. I'm a submissive top. I want a bottom to grab me by the shirt, pull me in, and tell me in no uncertain terms "I want you to fuck me".

I've always broken it down differently than the binary 'top/bottom'. There's also "active/passive".

Top: Fucks, gets sucked

Bottom: Gets Fucked, sucks

Active: sucks, fucks

Passive: gets sucked, gets fucked

I'm "Active", mostly.

by Anonymousreply 10August 11, 2019 7:41 PM

I am a sub top. I like to be choked, slapped, spit on when fucking. Love my husband sitting on my face while slapping my balls. Love being edged and verbally humiliated too. I'm also a cuck

by Anonymousreply 11August 11, 2019 8:01 PM

I dated a guy who was mostly top, aggressive type who like to be in charge, the one time he bottomed for me (he was super drunk) it was pretty much like this, I was a 'sub top' basically, he threw me in the bed and did all the work.

by Anonymousreply 12August 11, 2019 8:08 PM

I have seen dating profiles where the guy describes himself as a submissive top, not a lot of them but they do exist.

by Anonymousreply 13August 11, 2019 8:12 PM

I think I was a submissive top last week. I was getting a massage at my home and the masseur got hard. I got hard too. We flirted for a bit and then he told me, "We're going upstairs to fuck."

I quickly agreed.

by Anonymousreply 14August 11, 2019 8:12 PM

I'm a non-dominant top. That doesn't mean I'm 'submissive', it just means I need to run the show, but feel kind of guilty about it. Submissive bottoms scare the shit out of me, because I'm terrified I'll hurt them & they'll silently just take it out of some warped sense of duty.

I like to fuck bottoms who are happy to let me run the show, but aren't shy about letting me know if I could do something specific to make it better.

Personality-type observation:

INTP = non-dominant top... needs to be totally in control of his own immediate surroundings, but feels bad about imposing that need on others. Finds flip-fucking and bottoming to be erotic in theory, but disappointing or difficult to enjoy in practice. Spends hours trying to understand why some find bottoming to be incredibly great, and probably has wildly unrealistic expectations about it that nothing could ever satisfy.

INTJ = non-submissive bottom... happy to leave the work to someone else, but not afraid to offer constructive criticism.

Sexually, INTP+INTJ is a perfect match. Other types find INTJs to be critical & ego-threatening... INTPs find it reassuring. Likewise, INTJs get annoyed by 'dom' tops... they're not submissive, they're 'lazy'. Big,huge difference.

Sub bottom = dog... eager to please, submissive.

INTJ bottom = cat... have to EARN their approval, but can be affectionate & cudly (in moderation) when they feel like it.

ENTP = militantly versatile... they flip-fuck, and get annoyed when they're forced into a box & limited to ONLY one or the other. Into cosplay & roleplaying.

by Anonymousreply 15August 11, 2019 8:13 PM

R14 here, he actually said, "You're going to fuck me upstairs."

by Anonymousreply 16August 11, 2019 8:14 PM

r15 INTJ bottom describes me perfectly, I'll let you lead if I think you're worthy of having control over me.

by Anonymousreply 17August 11, 2019 8:23 PM

any porn with this dynamic?

by Anonymousreply 18August 11, 2019 10:51 PM

The OP has a vagina between her legs and an empty void between her ears

by Anonymousreply 19August 11, 2019 10:54 PM

In the gay world, there’s a “service top” role. That’s not quite what you’re asking for OP. But a service top generally services the bottom without any interest/need to get off.

It might sound like a cash transaction, it usually isn’t. It can be a FWB/FB arrangement where the bottom needs something specific and it’s casual without reciprocity for the top.

by Anonymousreply 20August 11, 2019 11:11 PM

I'm total bottom and I love to be with sub tops. They can lay on the bed while i straddle their cock. basically they become a human dildo. Having said that, I like getting plowed too.

by Anonymousreply 21August 11, 2019 11:15 PM

I'm just not into anal at all.

I just want to fondle, jack, and suck cock.

by Anonymousreply 22August 11, 2019 11:24 PM

r22 sometimes that's all you need, a good make out session with a blowjob at the end.

by Anonymousreply 23August 11, 2019 11:26 PM

R20 yes.

by Anonymousreply 24August 11, 2019 11:27 PM

r17, I'd refine that by saying you aren't giving them "control" over you... it's more like you're delegating the grunt work to a competent assistant whom you've learned (or have reason to believe) can be trusted to do things likely to meet with your approval & make you feel good, without forcing you to expend your own time & energy micromanaging the experience.

Both INTP and INTJ have fundamentally-egalitarian outlooks with efficiency as a valued metric. Neither type wants to "manage" others, but INTPs will do it as a self-defense strategy, while INTJs will do it out of perceived necessity to get things back on track when they've clearly gone awry.

by Anonymousreply 25August 12, 2019 12:26 AM

R25. That was hot.

by Anonymousreply 26August 12, 2019 12:28 AM

We need more porn where the top is taken over by the bottom and his dick is used like a fuck tool and/or he gets jacked off/sucked off while unable to do anything about it, eventually cumming loads with a surprised expression on his face.

by Anonymousreply 27August 12, 2019 3:00 AM

r27 there's a porn guy who does that, he ties usually muscular young men to a chair then milks their cock, the guys usually have goggles, I forgot the name but you often see his videos on pornhub.

by Anonymousreply 28August 12, 2019 3:05 AM

I think the dynamic of a feminine power bottom and a masculine submissive top is hot. The top gets tied to the bed and used by the greedy bottom.

by Anonymousreply 29August 12, 2019 3:17 AM

R29. That’s the kind of porn you see that’s marketed to straight women.

by Anonymousreply 30August 12, 2019 3:20 AM

R28 - But I mean where the bottom is also hot and not someone who is fully clothed and looks like they just paid the top to be there.

by Anonymousreply 31August 12, 2019 2:03 PM
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