The Glass closet yay or nay?

Nay. It pisses me off when people have a platform to make a difference and don’t, especially when they’re already been in their career for many years and have millions of dollars.

You lost almost all of us when you said Queer.

Queer is just an easier term to use than LGBTTQQIAAP etc R2 sorry if any offence has been caused.

No one has a "responsibility" to validate anyone else. Live your life; leave others to live theirs.

R4 = Closet Case

No closet case here. I've been an activist since 1978. I just don't think forcing your personal agenda on others is helpful. Lead by example.

Not sure what you mean by “accept”. We’ve always discussed glass closeted celebrities on here, researching, speculating, and announcing all their business. It’s just no longer in fashion to out celebrities in major platforms, Perez Hilton. That’s not going to change anytime soon, so this conversation is a bit moot.

Should have read “...platforms, e.g. Perez Hilton.”

But by not outing public figures who are well known to the community as being LBGTQ on platforms (such as Perez Hilton) does this not continue the assumption that it’s either be out or not have a career in the public arena, the more who come out forced or otherwise the more accepted we as a community become? Especially when those who come out are heteronormative role models such as sports stars for example.

*Be out and not have a career in the public arena

I believe it's difficult for an entire community, may that be the Gay, the LGBT, or the Queer Community, to decide what, or who, is acceptable or not acceptable when it comes to glass closet guys.

No matter what community you are part of (Gay, LGBT, Queer) being out and proud isn't easy. Especially when you've been outed and didn't come out yourself.

[quote] Given that it’s 2019 and that there’s a multiple of celebrities and public figures who live out and proud (including a front runner for the democratic nominee) should we in the Queer community continue to accept those who remain in the glass closet?

I accept people for being flawed human beings, just like I am and I am sure OP is as well.

Personally I think it's bullshit to put celebs on a pedestal (or look up to, who we consider, authority figures in general) and seek their guidance or approval and have certain expectations that have to be met.

When I like a celeb it's usually because they have some sort of talent or are at least easy on the eye. The celeb being (openly) gay, LGBT, or Queer is a plus though. But I do understand that some celebs hide certain things in order to have the mass appeal they are supposed to have.

[quote]we in the Queer community

[italic]We[/italic] are not "in the Queer community." [italic]We[/italic] are gay.

I think what infuriates me is across the world people are fighting, being tortured and dying for the right to love someone of the same sex and celebrities (pedestal or not) have the power to influence public opinion and bring attention to the cause and when they don’t use that power I feel they negate the right to have a career in the public eye, if you can make the world a better place make it better right?

Additionally if your out in private but are publicly seen with your partner then surely doesn’t the media have the right to name that person as said partner? If you want something to remain private you keep it private by not doing it in public.

R6: Larry Kramer

[QUOTE] Additionally if your out in private but are publicly seen with your partner then surely doesn’t the media have the right to name that person as said partner?

This poster is the Welp Troll. She's a Charmie and a Larrie.

As someone who was in a long-term relationship with a closeted actor, I feel that staying in the closet is inherently selfish and somewhat fraudulent in this day and age. My ex only did it to advance his career - he was out and proud in private to family, friends and colleagues, but in public he hooked up with a bi actress co-star and they slobbered over each other in public so they both looked straight. As his partner, I found it very difficult to deal with, especially when he would choose to take her to interesting exhibits and galleries instead of me (we met at one, they're a passion of mine) because there was a chance they could be photographed together. I know that placing his career above his personal life will be his downfall as he's not strong enough to cope with life's challenges without support, but there's nothing I can do about that now.

As an aside, I have noticed a generation gap in reactions to closeted celebrities. Older gay men and lesbians seem to be more willing to let the closeted be, whereas LGBTQ millennials like my friends and I are less tolerant of them.

Oooh JAGUAR, R16!

Such a hoe.

80% of lgbt ppl aren't out at work, and never intend to be.

[quote]LGBTQ millennials like my friends and I are less tolerant of them.

Yet you're tolerant enough of the initialclature that you use it yourself. Oh, well.

It comes down to the basic insecurity issue of the need to control others in order to feel good about yourself. In this case: Celebs need to be a certain way so I can feel good about myself. And it's the celebs' fault that I cannot feel good about myself since they don't obey to my command! Shame on them.

Once people let go of that silly need to be validated by society, their peers, authority figures, or the celebs they worship they feel a lot more free.

It's not the *Glass* closet that's the biggest problem.

Celebs in the glass closet are usually halfway out and aren't really pretending to be straight or pretending to date members of the opposite sex.

It's the gay celebs who are denying they are gay and bearding up in the year 2019 who are setting the worst example.

For an outsider like me the whole closet life thing is one hell of a scam to me. Especially when it comes to celebrities. All that money you have to spend on a fake straight life in order to make more money so you can finance your private and your fake life. I would resent spending every single dime on something like my fake girlfriend (and everybody who is part of it including the beard). And then having to set money aside for emergencies like when you get blackmailed or else the jig is up and you may lose everything.

But we do live in a society where social validation and acceptance is needed R19, lack of validation from your peers and family causes all sorts of psychological trauma.

And yes it is a generational thing it seems those over 40+ seem more willing to accept closet cases.

R20 I don’t know, if someone keeps something private can you really tell whats going on? Plus if they display a relationship in public and yet never acknowledge that they’re in a relationship doesn’t that continue the myth that being out is detrimental to your career? and thus continuing the whole closeting cycle, game whatever you want to call it for yet another generation.

[quote] But we do live in a society where social validation and acceptance is needed [R19], lack of validation from your peers and family causes all sorts of psychological trauma.

And that is why most of us are fucked up. We care more about what others think of us than what we think of ourselves. We rather hide our sexual identity to get people's approval, respect, and validation and then feel shitty all the time, because we struggle with the thought that there must be more to life than making other people happy while you feel miserable.

[quote] lack of validation from your peers and family causes all sorts of psychological trauma.

The issue is that you were raised to value other people's validation above your own. That destructive belief causes the mental conflict and trauma.

The problem is we have a conscious and we have a subconscious and when they are on the same page everything is superfine, but when one wants to go in one direction (other people's approval matters most) and the other one wants to go in a different direction (my own approval of myself matters most) that's what causes all the mental problems which can express themselves with physical symptoms.

I don't understand why glass closet actors and singers receive way more backlash than the ones who are openly bearding (without fooling noone).

Whats difference between "Glass closet" and "closet"?

It's very simple, a celebrity in the glass closet is living his life as gay, not hiding, same sex couple, and all that jazz, he simply is not publicly out.

Someone in the closet generally denies being out and do pr stunts "dating" an actress and model (for publicity but as a way to deny gay rumours)

[quote] It's very simple, a celebrity in the glass closet is living his life as gay, not hiding, same sex couple, and all that jazz, he simply is not publicly out.

There's absolutely nothing "closeted" about that, that's being out. Name a celebrity that fits that description who is not "publicly out".

Julian Morris

Cody Fern, Tyler Blackburn just before coming out.

There a good bunch of actors who were out on their private life but not to the public, a lot of them came out in recent years

Harry Styles is in a glass closet but he's bi.

Name a celebrity that people have heard of.

r32 Julian Morris

R24 The lack of validation from a parental figure is a massive contributing factor to mental health disorders such as BPD for example. Another example is the new phenomenon of muscle dysmorphia, studies have shown that instagram use is a massive contributing factor in that disorder, the core message here is self acceptance is of course the most important thing but most of us don’t live in an isolated bubble how we feel is influenced by society. In-fact studies into gay adolescents and young adults have shown a massive contributing factor to gay men and suicide is a lack of peer and parental validation and acceptance.

[quote]Additionally if your out in private

Oh, dear!

Sorry grammar monkey, I’ll try to do better lol.

R3 Sure and the N word is so much easier than African American.

Learn some damn respect before making assumptions. Queer is just short hand for a bunch of pretenders who want to be super cool, still in mixed gender gender orientation but will soon identify as heterosexual. They’ll move to the burbs, drop crotch fruit and forget all about the gay community.

Gay or Bi. Fuck the rest of the poseurs.

[quote]There's absolutely nothing "closeted" about that, that's being out. Name a celebrity that fits that description who is not "publicly out".

Queen Latifah. There are pics of her kissing and holding hands with her girlfriend (whi reportedly had a baby recently) but she refuses to talk about her personal life.

Right but Latifah doesn’t pretend to be straight, right? I figure if she’s that fucked up about it she’s not much of an asset anyway. Same with the glass closet cases. They’ve got a pretty interesting set of values to live like that. The people who enable them - lovers who go along with it - are just as questionable. And suckers.

Im sorry R37 I didn’t realise that term caused so much offence, shall we just say non heteronormative, though thats still a bit of a mouthful or how about sexually fluid or on the sexuality spectrum. As most people today would not identify as heterosexual as they can now, today, finally in 2019 admit that they have had a same sex experience (even if that includes just a cheeky kiss from one male to another), does the fact that they have had that single experience means they cannot be included in the all inclusive, non discriminatory Queer community? Personally I identify as gay but I recognise that there’s a range of different identities and preferences and who am I to discount another’s identity, just a thought but I would really like to hear the differing opinions on this subject but perhaps in a different thread as in this one I am trying to gage opinions on the glass closet and how it helps or is a hindrance to our community?

So is harry styles, Miles heizer or Richard madden helping us or still continuing the myth that being gay or bi will destroy your career? I think the whole glass closet is absurd, it’s so blatantly obvious that they are in relationships with men and yet can’t say “this is the man I love”, surely their fans know and obviously don’t care as they continue to support them, so why not say those words, you make your partner happy and bring a little joy into the world and showing to some poor 16 year old that has dreams of being an actor, sports star or politician etc that you don’t have to compromise who you are to a successful career in the public eye.

Unless the person in question is a politician who actively advocates against gays, then it's on him to come out, not on me to force him out.

Just because he's a well-known actor or singer doesn't mean he has an obligation to tell us who he likes to sleep with. And "glass closet"--where they are not actively dating anyone beard or gay man--who cares?

I worry about myself and let others worry about themselves.

It would be great to live in a world where people never think twice about announcing sexual preferences, but we don't so live and let live.

Fuck, just reading through the other responses.

This is s stealth thread for Larries to trick us into saying that Harry should come out of the closet. (You can tell they're female Larries, because saying he is "bi" both leaves the door open for him to fall in love with them and to explain why he hasn't fallen in love with them yet."

SMH

See R42 that is such a westernised individualist value system, if it weren’t for groups of people creating a social movement then we wouldn’t have the rights we have today and as people in the public eye use those rights by having a same sex partner then they also, as we all do have an obligation to fight for those rights. As history has taught us that in liberal countries civil rights can easily be taken away.

Well I live in Westernized country with an individualist value system, R44.

And I'm not sure that some C-list celebrity announcing they are gay in 2019 creates a social movement as much as it increases TMZ's ad revenue that day.

But that's just me.

Every bit counts, every actor, every politician, every sports person who comes out continues to boost our representation in society making it a fairer better world, I guess it comes to if you have civic values or greed is good values.

R45: Their coming out won't help you, but this is not about you.

If everybody stays in the closet gay rights will be totally erased.

And i'm not talking about coming out if they are not prepared, but living the whole life in the closet is not a great solution.

Glass closet is not remotely the same that bearding (that shows a lot of self hate and greed, and of course it's not the same beard when you are starting your career than keeping the charade when you are an established actor or singer)

[quote]it's not the same beard when you are starting your career than keeping the charade when you are an established actor or singer)

Or Olympic figure skater.

[quote]It's the gay celebs who are denying they are gay and bearding up in the year 2019 who are setting the worst example.

but aren't glass closeted celebs doing the same thing by lying by omission.

False equivalency.

The assertion here is that celebs or people in business somehow "owe" others anything. They don't. They're just as entitled to their privacy as anyone else. The slippery slope fallacy is once anyone loses their privacy, we all do. You slept around while your other half was away? Everyone can be as indiscreet as they wish in sharing those pictures as possible and calling out your WORST EXAMPLE.

Go ahead, fall into the trap of being glass prison celled instead.

Wow im kinda surprised and saddened by all the support closet cases seem to get but your wrong in that they don’t owe us something they do, they decided to have a public life and the lack of privacy is something that goes with that, if they don’t like it they don’t have to choose a career in the public eye, but their narcissistic personality traits drove them into a place where they seek adulation and mass attention which also means mass scrutiny, on their looks, values and behaviours such as being in a glass closet, if they don’t like being called out on who they truly are then they don’t have to be seen out with their partner.

You think you can just walk into their house, then? Harass them publicly?

Give it your best shot. It's called stalking.

No but if their with their partner at a bar, club or restaurant thats a public forum where the expectation of privacy goes out the window.

In fact legally the only place one can expect privacy in a public place is in bathrooms and changing rooms.

I think your definition is a bit vague. Intruding on someone's personal life for what R52 describes is harassment bordering on stalking. Not just ordinary gossip. This is where we run off in the deranged boil-your-bunny area.

California provides for celebrities to obtain restraining order against stalkers. It's not an unusual problem because of mentally ill people who think they are entitled to the lives of others.

Who said anything about stalking weirdo, if you see someone at a gay bar and take a picture of them guess what you can do whatever the hell you want with that picture including splashing it over the internet, the arrogance of celebrities is they feel they should be able to have it both ways privacy in public and yet attention for living a public life. If you don’t like it go work at wallmart.

That's a very American view R57. Once you leave the US - no, you can't do that. You can't take pictures of people without their consent in most countries, nor can you post images that identify location or post people's faces and personal information without their consent.

In most liberal westernised nations yes you can and I say this as a brit.

The brits are every bit as fucked up as the Americans. Don't try it in Germany.

And how many Hollywood stars live in Germany?

How many have left Hollywood because of the insane fan behavior and lack of civility?

Not that many R62 and it doesn’t matter Australia, the UK, Ireland, France, Spain and Portugal etc all have the same basic laws on photography in a public place, you can take a picture of what ever you like.

Have you lived in each of those countries, or are you just gasbagging?

In fact if you truly want privacy you’d have to live in an quite authoritarian state like China, but that also would mean giving up tons of civil rights, like you know not being discriminated against for being gay.

R64 their was a thread on here about a guy who took a picture of a hot guy on the subway and how its not pervy anyways reading that led me to find out that yes in most countries you can take pictures of what ever you like.

What you may not have known is in the UK the Human Rights Act, Articles 8 and 10 prohibit taking pictures of individuals without their consent. The exception is where there is a compelling public interest. There's been a good amount of coverage about the lawsuits against Hello! and other magazines that violated the law and harassed people.

You may be thinking of "photography at public events" which meets the exception of non-infringement of privacy. But otherwise, no.

Is “glass closet” a new made-up phrase?

The term “glass ceiling” makes sense.

This one doesn’t.

Taking Photographs in a Public Place. Taking photos in a public place is not illegal. The only time an offence is committed is if the photographs being taken are considered to be indecent. There is no law preventing people from taking photographs in public.

Avon and Somerset Police

Even if your proposed stalking behavior is legal, what good does it do to drag someone from a private position? Why would you want or need to do that? That behaviour doesn't further our mission; it makes us look militant and unkind. Be comfortable with yourself, leave others alone.

If they don’t like scrutiny then don’t become famous, it’s the fact that they are not willing to stand up and fight for the rights that they themselves take for granted is my grievance. Especially since they have the position to do so and make a positive change, but most celebs are selfish and only think if their own needs above that of the men and women who continually on a daily basis fight LBGTQ discrimination.

If they don’t like scrutiny then don’t become famous, it’s the fact that they are not willing to stand up and fight for the rights that they themselves take for granted is my grievance. Especially since they have the position to do so and make a positive change, but most celebs are selfish and only think if their own needs above that of the men and women who continually on a daily basis fight LBGTQ discrimination.

[quote]R21 All that money you have to spend on a fake straight life in order to make more money so you can finance your private and your fake life.

What expenses are you talking about?

[quote]I would resent spending every single dime on something like my fake girlfriend (and everybody who is part of it including the beard)

Why do you think it’s an expensive process? Do you think they buy someone a house each time they go out, or fund a doctorate degree? Usually the other person is LGBT as well, and wanting to dress up their own image by being seen with another “straight” person (who doesn’t expect sex from them.). Or they’re a friend who doesn’t mind doing the celeb a favor by attending functions with them here and there.

PS: you sound really cheap. It’s not an attractive quality.

We think it's marvelous!

You seem to know alot about the closet celebrity game R73 might you be a closeted celebrity? Now which one are you?

Too many closet case apologists on this thread, it makes me wonder if DL is just made up of closet case queens who only get some nasty on the down low.

Most of us simply have more regard for the right of privacy. It's in the Constitution. It's foundational to most western society going back to the 13th century.

Privacy in your home yes of course, but outside no dear you don’t.

R52, why are you even posting here when it's pitifully clear that you failed English?

Wow, r79. He wrote that as all one sentence.

This is definitely a stealth thread for Larries, as someone claimed upthread, and illiterate Larries to boot.

Larries teach their disciples that closeted celebs travel with the same beard all over the world, and also buy 'public houses' for £4m so they can hide their real house that they share with their bandmate. I am, of course, alluding to Louis Tomlinson and his partner Eleanor.

Larries also indoctrinate their hapless followers into expecting zero red carpet pics with beards, as blurry fan taken ones are more 'authentic'.

Former professional tennis player Jan-Michael Gambill is out in every way except for having made a public announcement about it. He'd be the highest ranked and most famous male player to come out if he ever did.

It could be argued that if he were to make some kind of announcement about it it would be good for younger players who might be struggling with their sexuality and no active male player has ever come out and I get that. But if he's living the life of a gay man without having to make such an announcement then why would he?

It's easy for us to suggest celebrities owe it to us to come put publicly but for some it's just not necessary. Why make life more difficult if you don't have to?

R68: You are a bit dense, the term is really easy to understand. You are living in the closet because you came out publicly but you are doing it in plain sight. In fact some magazines are not that shy implying that celebrity can be gay (they don't go the full affirmation because they fear a lawsuit).

the truth is unless you are really a big star, magazines don't care about same sex couple beyond the coming out and the first news they are a couple.

Not everybody feels the nedd to talk about his private life, i recognize that some of them are really hypocrites because they talk a lot about other aspects of their lives.

And of course you have weird interviews like what Julian Morris did to promote the man in the orange shirt when he was questioned about his inspiration to play a gay character he talked about gay friends when he is in a relationship with a gay for more than a decade and a half

But i repeat, it's not remotely the same that being in the closet and bearding. There's shame in bearding and greed in some cases, and the worst thing is some of those closet cases want to be "straight allies" which will be funny if it wasn't so sad

R77: Privacy has nothing to do with coming out. A straight celebrity can be very private and everybody knows he is straight.

Coming out doesn't mean you have to talk about your sex life or even your dating life

[quote]but your wrong

Oh, dear.

[quote]No but if their with their partner at a bar,

Oh, dear!

[quote]their was a thread on here

Oh, DEAR!!

Holy fuckin run on sentence!

r52/r58/r66 do you know what a period is?! Fuck, you’re illiterate.

[quote]r83 You are a bit dense, R68, the term is really easy to understand. You are living in the closet because you came out publicly but you are doing it in plain sight.

This does not help me understand the term.

Hello grammar monkeys, it’s good to know you’re still around, hows life as an OAP by the way? Love you xoxo.

Wow so much tolerance for closet cases. As someone who was made homeless at 16 for being gay and open about who I am, I find it extremely difficult and shameful for people who don’t have any excuse to hide who they are to continue to do so, but that’s just coming from my personal experience. I guess It comes down to your value set and self respect, which most celebrities don’t have.

What the hell is a Larrie?

[quote] being gay or bi will destroy your career?

Being bi doesn't destroy your career.

R90 don't ask.

[quote]r89 people who don’t have any excuse to hide who they are

As someone who's worked in the entertainment industry (though was never closeted, myself), I never judged performers for staying closeted. They have such a small chance of making, or keeping, a career, anyway, and the window of time in which to do so is so relatively short ... I can't judge them for not wanting to create any situation that could be used against them. Even if it's stupid, and we know actors aren't the characters they play, the public in general isn't THAT smart. Tom Cruise simply wouldn't have had the career he's had if he were openly gay.

For closeted politicians it's a different standard, because they're involved in policy making, and of course their decisions are effected (affected?) by their personal lives. But performers are fantasy figures and if they don't want to come out because it could keep them from getting straight roles I can understand that. Who am I to fuck with their paycheck?

Exactly my point R93, greed.

Wanting to have a successful career and a choice of jobs isn't greed. Rather, it's what many people aim for in life.

It is R95 when you can’t be open about who you are, you’re putting money above yourself. And though I agree performers don’t shape policy, they do however shape culture and can lay the ground work for future performers to not have to go through the shame shit they want through. Again values and self respect vs big fat paycheck.

[QUOTE] their was a thread on here about a guy who took a picture of a hot guy on the subway and how its not pervy anyways reading that led me to find out that yes in most countries you can take pictures of what ever you like.

Ashamed of my fellow Brit and his atrocious written English.

Sorry for being dyslexic R97, though I am really loving your input into the debate.

The ‘everyone’s entitled to a private life’ argument is inherently homophobic. Why is the observation that someone is gay a violation of their privacy? It’s never considered invasive to remark on someone being heterosexual.

[quote]r96 when you can’t be open about who you are, you’re putting money above yourself.

No stage names, hair dyes or nose jobs for your performers either, I guess.

It's comfy here in the glass closet!

I think it's kind of a boundary issue - you live your own life how you want, and let others do the same.

Julian would never use such a lame word as "comfy."

It depends R100 if a celeb gets caught coming out of the cosmetic surgery clinic, then yes they should be open about it, but if it’s done out of sight then no.

But changing who they naturally are means they're not being true to and publicly proud of who they really are, according to your standard.

Had everyone done that in the 60’s R102 gay rights wouldn’t exist.

Gay rights starting in the 60s were advanced by outing people? Who?

Your right R105, fuck those plastic bitches.

r107, people were outing themselves by coming out of the closet, rather than lying about who they were

I suppose insecurity over ones talent also plays apart in this. I’ve noticed those who are secure in their talent are more likely to be open about their sexuality, but this is a quite recent phenomena, Sam Smith is an example if this.

I never said I was against people coming out of the closet.

^^ in response to

[quote]r109 people were outing themselves by coming out of the closet, rather than lying about who they were

[QUOTE] Sorry for being dyslexic [R97], though I am really loving your input into the debate.

No sign of dyslexia, hoe. Just incompetent English. Too much group work and not enough copying off the board at your grim secondary school.

[quote]It depends R100 if a celeb gets caught coming out of the cosmetic surgery clinic, then yes they should be open about it, but if it’s done out of sight then no.

Didn’t you just describe a relationship? Most people are not fucking in public, hence “out of sight.” So what business is it of ours who they’re fucking?

It's frightening to see how close we are to fascism. We are no longer allowed to disagree. Everyone must row in the same boat or be thrown overboard. I happen to enjoy spending time with people I don't agree with, or have anything in common with. It's scary to think that privilege could go away.

[quote]Everyone must row in the same boat or be thrown overboard.

If you ain’t rowin’ your ass needs to go overboard. You’re just dead weight. We tryin’ to get to shore.

Seriously, I like the analogy but found it amusing. I agree with your premise though.

R115: Depends of what you mean with disagree. When a gay actor decides to beard he is mocking gay people, he is faking for his own gain (i know that in some cases they are more or less forced to do it, but there are examples of very established actors who still do it).

Not everyone has the same background, and not everyone is comfortable expossing parts of his life, and i understand that. Everyone should come out at their own pace, but what some of these guys do is almost ridiculous.

I understand glass closet as a step to coming out, but it's obvious that for some people it's simply a comfortable way of not being brave.

And it's true that nobody owns us anything, but nobody owns them not talking about their sexual orientation either. Being gay doesn't mean your career is over anymore

[Quote] Even if it's stupid, and we know actors aren't the characters they play

If only shippers knew this.

[Quote] Being gay doesn't mean your career is over anymore

Maybe not over, but sadly in other parts of the world it's still a huge fucking deal. And if you want to be an a-lister with international appeal......

R100 and R105 If you have a flaw why not change it, but is being gay a flaw?

This can't be repeated enough, R12.

"It's frightening to see how close we are to fascism. We are no longer allowed to disagree."

Except you are disagreeing now, Einstein. No one is arresting you. Stop comparing everything you don't like to "fascism"

[quote]It is [R95] when you can’t be open about who you are, you’re putting money above yourself.

That's a pretty common thing and pretty low bar.

How so R122?

Because the generic “can’t be open about who you are” would cover not telling your boss you hate them, for example.

r124, hating one person is not the same thing as your orientation. Try again.

'Everyone should come out at their own pace, but what some of these guys do is almost ridiculous'

Examples? I can guarantee it's some tinhat/Welp Troll fantasy, not genuine bearding at all. You're the kind of gullible person who believes in Larry and Charmie.

Well, we have plenty of examples, like what Ricky Martin did, or you have Ian Thorpe who was very heterosexual in his autobiography, or you have several youtubers who made their own "i'm not gay videos", something that Tom Daley did too.

Some of the new coming outs are even smart enough to come out as queer or bi, but it's highly suspcious that Ashley Benson is married to a woman now and Tyler Blackburn is dating a guy

R125 Not everybody seems to live in fanfiction world like you, but you must be really blind to believe some of HW relationships are real

"Not everybody seems to live in fanfiction world like you, but you must be really blind to believe some of HW relationships are real"

What fanfiction world? Did you even read my post? I didn't say anything about "Hollywood relationships" in my post, either.

R128: Do you talk about the post talking about Larries and Charmies? That post?

Nobody was talking about them

You never, ever, have to lie to protect a closeted individual. Never. The closet case's lack of personal integrity should never be allowed to diminish anyone else's integrity.

Context is everything in this discussion. If a Catholic priest is gay and keeps his vow of celibacy and struggles daily in his prayers to deal with being gay, that's entirely his and he is keeping it his. But if a Catholic priest is gay and sexually active - which is something you know for an actual fact - then it is no longer entirely his secret. He has made it a public matter by holding himself out to the public as being one sort of person, when that is a lie. And his vow of celibacy was a lie. And his support of a homophobic institution is damaging to everyone around him. That S.O.B. you are free to handle however you choose, so long as you have actual knowledge of his gay sexual activity.

If a closeted person goes to work and comes home and reads a book, that closet is his or hers to manage. If a closeted person goes after work to the local gay watering holes and hits on everyone there... that person has made this public. There is no closet. You are free to handle your own personal knowledge however you see fit.

You don't have to support anyone's closet, which means to support someone else's lie.

I never said anything about the Larries and I don't even know what the fuck a "charmie" is

[quote]r130 You never, ever have to lie to protect a closeted individual. Never.

Who's arguing otherwise?

R129: Sorry, obviously wrong number

There’s the closet-closet, and then the glass closet. But what is the name for those men who do the ‘I’m not gay, I’m a man-lover’ routine or any of its variants (eg ‘I’m not gay, I’m just a cock-craver’)? That’s some kind of closet.

R134: Sorry but i don't know any celebrity who goes that way, maybe a porn star

[quote]And of course you have weird interviews like what Julian Morris did to promote the man in the orange shirt when he was questioned about his inspiration to play a gay character he talked about gay friends when he is in a relationship with a gay for more than a decade and a half

You said this on the Julian Morris thread, too. But you're taking it a bit out of context.

I don't remember Julian saying much about 'gay friends'. But Julian did talk at length about how important he thought the the project would mean to gay men & women, what a beautiful love story it was, and he also said gay men shouldn't have to live the same way as heterosexuals.

So he spoke at more length than a straight actor would have, and dropped some hints he is gay in real life.

The OP is homophobic.

R13 You are confusing the rules of public/private as it relates to media (at least pre-TMZ media rules). The old rules allowed celebrities to live their lives as long as they didn’t show up at public events (premieres/awards shows) with a romantic partner.

Aaron Rodgers may not be Wisconsins only pro athlete in the closet. I firmly believe through non public information that Ryan Braun is as well. He donates a lot of time and money to a Milwaukee AIDS charity. He spends time with Aaron also. Hmmmmmm

Yes R137 I’m an out gay man who’s been out since I was 16 (and was made homeless because of it) and is now 32, who also gives to gay charities is homophobic.

Suck my dick and get the hell outta my thread bitch or I’ll cut you.

OP is the Welp Troll f and f

Fuck u R141 you Harry styles crazy ass nut job! I can block u and see everywhere you’ve posted and so far all I can see is this thread and The Harry styles thread.

And by the way, Harry if this is you, your a dirty little fucking cunt for what you did! I hope your new album fails you balding closet case loser!

R16 = Jezza’s BFF Kris

Your Millenial Friend, so often I read a post and think it’s great and 9/10 it’s you. Tip of the hat to you, good Sir!

[Quote] The OP is homophobic.

[Quote] OP is the Welp Troll f and f

May as well just claim the OP is Mystique.

The naive, semi literate OP has been indoctrinated by internet CT-ers, and genuinely thinks the following celebs are gay and are spending millions a year flying contracted beards all over the world. That's why he's personally so offended by them. In reality, the closet for young celebs in 2019 just involves saying you're too busy to have a relationship, or that your partner is a private civilian.

Here are the people (most of them straight) that the young OP loathes for 'bearding up':

Taylor Swift, Timothee Chalamet, Armie Hammer, Shawn Mendes, Harry Styles, Leo di Caprio, Simon Cowell, Louis Tomlinson (fake baby, anyone)?

He's basically raging about nothing.

Harry Styles is in no way LGBTQIAXYZ, etc. He is a bland boring hetero trying to wink and nudge his way to become something more interesting. Are people actually falling for this crap?

R147, agree HS is most likely straight.

He said in a GQ interview in 2013 that he wasn't bi. He also said in a Rolling Stone interview in 2017 that his first album was about his on/off relationship with Kendall Jenner, and this month said his second album is about breaking up with another model, Camille Rowe.

Maybe he 'messed around' with some cute guys and got a few blowjobs but I doubt he's done more than that. He is obsessed with the 70s and stars like Bowie and Jagger, who also flirted with bisexuality to be edgy, but married women later on.

God the same poster from the Harry styles thread keeps posting his posts include

The Glass closet yay or nay? R6: Larry Kramer

The Glass closet yay or nay? [QUOTE] Additionally if your out in private but are publicly seen with your partner then surely doesn’t the media have the right to name that person as said partner?

This poster is the Welp Troll. She's a Charmie and a Larrie.

The Glass closet yay or nay? Oooh JAGUAR, R16!

Such a hoe.

80% of lgbt ppl aren't out at work, and never intend to be.

The Glass closet yay or nay? Harry Styles is in a glass closet but he's bi.

The Glass closet yay or nay? R52, why are you even posting here when it's pitifully clear that you failed English?

The Glass closet yay or nay? This is definitely a stealth thread for Larries, as someone claimed upthread, and illiterate Larries to boot.

Larries teach their disciples that closeted celebs travel with the same beard all over the world, and also buy 'public houses' for £4m so they can hide their real house that they share with their bandmate. I am, of course, alluding to Louis Tomlinson and his partner Eleanor.

Larries also indoctrinate their hapless followers into expecting zero red carpet pics with beards, as blurry fan taken ones are more 'authentic'.

The Glass closet yay or nay? [QUOTE] their was a thread on here about a guy who took a picture of a hot guy on the subway and how its not pervy anyways reading that led me to find out that yes in most countries you can take pictures of what ever you like.

Ashamed of my fellow Brit and his atrocious written English.

The Glass closet yay or nay? [QUOTE] Sorry for being dyslexic [R97], though I am really loving your input into the debate.

No sign of dyslexia, hoe. Just incompetent English. Too much group work and not enough copying off the board at your grim secondary school.

The Glass closet yay or nay? 'Everyone should come out at their own pace, but what some of these guys do is almost ridiculous'

Examples? I can guarantee it's some tinhat/Welp Troll fantasy, not genuine bearding at all. You're the kind of gullible person who believes in Larry and Charmie.

The Glass closet yay or nay? The OP is homophobic.

The Glass closet yay or nay? OP is the Welp Troll f and f

The Glass closet yay or nay? The naive, semi literate OP has been indoctrinated by internet CT-ers, and genuinely thinks the following celebs are gay and are spending millions a year flying contracted beards all over the world. That's why he's personally so offended by them. In reality, the closet for young celebs in 2019 just involves saying you're too busy to have a relationship, or that your partner is a private civilian.

Here are the people (most of them straight) that the young OP loathes for 'bearding up':

Taylor Swift, Timothee Chalamet, Armie Hammer, Shawn Mendes, Harry Styles, Leo di Caprio, Simon Cowell, Louis Tomlinson (fake baby, anyone)?

He's basically raging about nothing.

The Glass closet yay or nay? R147, agree HS is most likely straight.

He said in a GQ interview in 2013 that he wasn't bi. He also said in a Rolling Stone interview in 2017 that his first album was about his on/off relationship with Kendall Jenner, and this month said his second album is about breaking up with another model, Camille Rowe.

Maybe he 'messed around' with some cute guys and got a few blowjobs but I doubt he's done more than that. He is obsessed with the 70s and stars like Bowie and Jagger, who also flirted with bisexuality to be edgy, but married women later on

Here’s a small list of some of the celebrities I think are in the closet.

Anyone who’s dated Taylor Swift oh and Taylor herself Chace Crawford Chris Pine Richard Armitage Cristiano Ronaldo Miles Heizer Jeremy Renner Emma Stone Kanye West Bradley Cooper Jacob Rees-Mogg

Oh and before you Grammar and punctuation bitches jump all over me for no commas or full stops it was in a list and dl changed it to a paragraph.

[QUOTE] Additionally if your out in private but are publicly seen with your partner then surely doesn’t the media have the right..

Please don't attribute the illiterate posts to me. I learned the you're/they're rules when I was seven years old, unlike the illiterate OP.

R150, Taylor isn't gay! Are you one of those crazed Kaylors?

You quoted a poster R152, you get that I can block you and see every thread you’ve posted in? Why don’t you do the same for me if you think I’m a troll.

[QUOTE] You quoted a poster [R152], you get that I can block you and see every thread you’ve posted in? Why don’t you do the same for me if you think I’m a troll.

Of course I do, I've been posting here since 2014. But the stalker who posted my posting history posted a bunch of illiterate posts along with it, that belonged to the OP, who has appalling grammar.

You’ve posted in 4 threads. The Eastenders thread, the harry styles is shirtless thread and CMBYN thread? Would you like me to post every comment you made as well?

R156 - yep, go ahead. You need to exorcise the obsession you have with me somehow, don't you? Don't forget the BRF threads and the Dancer from the Dance threads.

Please do it properly, though. I don't want any of your posts with their infantile English attributed to me.

[QUOTE] Every bit counts, every actor, every politician, every sports person who comes out continues to boost our representation in society making it a fairer better world, I guess it comes to if you have civic values or greed is good values.

So many mistakes! You shouldn't really be posting here at all, R156. Datalounge has a low tolerance for people with atrocious written English.

Like I said I’m dyslexic, but here you go!

DL Obsession Timothee Chalamet making out on a yacht with Johnny Depp's daughter Lily Rose! The CMBYN fan fraus who think this emaciated hoe is dating Armie are TRIGGERED! Ballum from EastEnders - Ben and Callum, New Gay Soap Couple The original thread died because it is now subscription only, but this cute couple deserve their own thread.

And

British Royal Family Gossip Part 94 Continue fat shaming and speculating, trolls! Out of these DL faves, who is most likely to be actually gay? By faves I mean, discussed a fair bit.

And

Shirtless Harry Styles Graces The Cover of Rolling Stone [QUOTE] Like Harry? Harry probably is lgbt but Louis definitely isn't. Most of his fans like him because they think he's a poor abused, forcibly closeted, tragically bearding gay man. The discrepancy between the Louis of their fantasies and the real Louis is much bigger than the gap between the fantasy Harry and the real one.

Shirtless Harry Styles Graces The Cover of Rolling Stone R388, the Rad Louies are odd ones. They are all ex Larries, and still believe the most extreme Larrie theories, such as El being a beard, F being Brett's son, management and PR teams being utterly corrupt and acting like dictators. They still think Louis is being simultaneously sabotaged AND forcibly closeted for profit, and can never explain how those two things could be going on at the same time. PR and management teams work for the artist and they would be fired or sued if they tried to implement the shenanigans that Louies think are going on with his career. Louis to me seems pretty outspoken and strong willed. Not a pushover at all. Larries and Rads represent him as a tiny quailing smol bean who needs their protection, which is why a lot of them refer to him as their 'son'.

Would you like me to keep going? Or are you gonna shut the fuck up!

Carry on. I'm very happy with all my well written contributions.

Sucks to be a tragic spaz who has never mastered basic punctuation or grammar, so pretends to be dyslexic in a bid to elicit sympathy.

R163, I'm never going to shut up, nor am I perturbed by you sharing my posting history. You are an unintelligent homophobe.

I am dyslexic, had the coloured glasses and everything. God I love this troll!

The inconsistencies of your posts is what I don’t get, for example you say in this thread

“R147, agree HS is most likely straight.”

But then in the Shirtless Harry Styles Graces The Cover of Rolling Stone thread you say

“Harry probably is lgbt”

Which is it troll?

'I am dyslexic, had the coloured glasses and everything.'

Odd, then, that your mistakes are in grammar and sentence structure, rather than in spelling. You are just bad at English. Probably got a D in your GCSE. Datalounge with its grammar Nazis will always upset you.

We all know how to access posting history, and frequently do. It's not a good way to intimidate another poster as it's so easily done. You're more likely to ensure other posters lose interest in your thread.

Because I couldn’t spell, grammar and punctuation went out the window in favour of spelling correctly and yes a little thing called spellcheck helps as well!

What’s your excuse for being so cunty?

On the shirtless Harry Styles thread you say Zayn is an addict

“Maybe Zayn's drug addiction has got so bad that he can no longer fly long haul in case he goes into withdrawal half way across the Atlantic.”

But then in response to me posting a blind item you say Zayn’s addiction is a lie.

“Well said, R357. Enty Lawyer also maintains that Zayn is a hopeless heroin addict”

If anyone is still confused about the meaning of "glass closet," it means that if you're paying attention it's easy to see a person is not straight (e.g. Queen Latifah) but the media still extends them the courtesies of the closet and avoids saying or asking anything that will put that person on the spot to identify as something other than straight. I think a lot of actors (looking at Julian Morris) convince themselves that if they're super transparent in their actions, making it easier for unsophisticated observers to put two and two together, then it's not really closeted. I follow the rule that if the entertainment press would be afraid to identify you as something other than straight, then you are in the closet. A lot of guys we consider closet cases carry around a very "I'm not hiding!!" attitude, but then they freak out when a journalist breaks the old school rules and asks them about it. Witness Lee Pace.

R170, I think Zayn has a serious drug addiction, yes.

True dyslexics aren't helped by spell check. You haven't made any spelling errors, just syntax/grammar/punctuation errors

Zayn is definitely an addict but nobody knows which drug. I go back and forth on whether Harry is gay, depending on what he says in interviews, and he's had two long ones recently.

I am always in the closet at work and always will be, so I'm fine with celebs being closeted professionally. I don't believe in bearding contracts or that Shawn Mendes, Chalamet and Tomlinson are gay.

The gay thing actually has helped me achieve more in my career. I’m a “masseuse” for men only. I have over 50 repeat clients and get new ones every week. I have to force myself to take time off because I have requests 7 days a week from 5am all the way to midnight. About 40 percent of them pay in cash, which is completely unreported to IRS. I started in college to make extra money but now I’m a full-time masseuse because I make more than my marketing degree got me. High 6 figures for the past 6 years. I don’t know how long I can do this but I’m holding out for a record! (And yes, I do give “happy endings” if requested.)

You haven’t got a clue R172 have you?

Man this troll (R172), pr guy or crazy fan girl/Russian bot is so inconsistent for example in the "Out of these DL faves, who is most likely to be actually gay?" thread he say's "Definitely not Sam or Shawn. Possibly Styles." but also says "None of them. Just wishful thinking on behalf of fan girls."

which is it?

r176

You've only just discovered trolls?

But why? I don't get it? what's the point? I come here for the funny stories, bitchy one liners and sometimes advice. What the hell to they get out of it? That being said I did find myself trolling this bitch just to prove he/she is a troll!

'Open up my eager eyes

OP is Mr Spazside...'

How do I get this thread turned to subscribers only?

Make every other post about Connor Jessup or Miles Heizer.

bump

The OP is a homophobic hog.

The OP is the same person who had a meltdown and spammed three threads with 100s of identical posts, so they now have a ban from Muriel. Check OP's posting history if you don't believe me.

Perhaps LGBTQ Hollywood. Singers, and athletes should out themselves en masse so that they take the power back from corrupt and homophobic PR teams/producers/directors/coaches. Would never happen, but imagine the power of them coming out as a huge group for the world to see....

You don't know somebody's life, mind your business.

We each need to be responsible for around decisions. I find it arrogant that any of us should look down on people struggling to make the right decision for themselves. It seems intolerant.

Most folks seem to get to the right place overtime. When they get there they can be an appropriate spokesperson and not anytime before that.

R187 well said 👏