Basis for a Political Career? Real End Game for MM and H?

Royals don't have political careers. They don't vote and they don't run for office.

Then there is this, from Popbitch:

It was curious seeing Dan Wootton give Meghan Markle both barrels this week. You’d think he’d be a little more friendly, given that he’s such good pals with Wills and Kate’s press secretary…

Christian Jones famously lunched with Me-gain but opted to stay where the real power is once the households split.

Christian is quite cute, wonder what kind of good pal Dan is?

Whoever could his royal sources be, I wonder?

Until now, that has been true, R1.

What if they decamp to the US?

They sure seem to be laying the groundwork for something and MeMe may see herself as the next Michelle Obamaa if the Goop and Oprah scenarios do not pan out.

Lots of advisors with backgrounds in politics. Jones was a Brexit strategist.

Edward Enninful, the Vogue editor, is said to be an ex of Markus Anderson of Soho House and famously close to Me-Again. Gay men and their couplings are all over this story, lol.

How's the issue selling?

Not well, supposedly. It is reported to be heavily discounted as well.

If either the Duke or Duchess of Sussex wish to have a political career (any career for that matter), they would have to leave the Royal Family. They would have to give up all the trappings, titles, and prerogatives. That would include giving up their current residence(s). they would have to become Harry Mountbatten-Windsor and Meghan Markle (Or if she takes his name, Mountbatten-Windsor). They would have to leave Great Britain. They could no longer accept money from the Crown. If they remained in Britain, it would cause a constitutional crisis.

There is no way any politician would accept anything else.

The monarchy survives because the illusion is that it is above politics.

She seems to be setting up a future based in the US, no?

[quote]r10 If either the Duke or Duchess of Sussex wish to have a political career (any career for that matter), they would have to leave the Royal Family.

They're not going anywhere, now that Big Liz has all but stated she's jumping over Charles and William to place Harry & Meghan on the throne.

It's obvious this is Liz's plan - and rightly so.

Link, please, R12.

Hard to argue with this in light of Google Camp and the carbon footprint of Extinction Rebellion or, um, that Vogue cover.

From The Atlantic:

The Issue With Meghan Markle’s Vogue Issue The duchess embodies the contradictions of today’s protest movements, which often sound more radical than they are.

If I had to guess, the RF realizes what’s going on. I imagine they have stopped trying to control the runaway train, and are exploring their options privately.

As someone who’s related to some crazy, you eventually realize that if you just stand quietly to the side and let the crazy person do their thing, you won’t get blamed (nearly as much). If you try to stop them, they’ll make YOU look like the bad guy. Best to let them make their own impression and you just stay calm and go about your business.

R15 - I agree, this is very likely the line the BRF mean to take.

I love you, R12, you're very funny. And fun.

They would have to stop representing Her Majesty at events, in other words stop being full-time working royals. They wouldn't have to give up any titles or give back any money. They can keep their inheritances from great granny Queen Mum and Diana and so on.

As for running for public office, I would urge both of them to not do that but neither one seems capable of listening to anything or anyone at the moment.

I think they will redefine what a full-time working royal is.

Ribbon cutting is important but Meghan is American. She brings possibilities, options that only America gives. She's also black and responsibility to community is stronger as with all minorities.

Harry is a second son. His head won't lie uneasy like William's. He'll do more interesting things with Meghan by his side. He's a lucky man. He won't end up like Andrew because Meghan is beyond Fergie.

They are a young millennial royal couple. Harry made a good choice. Together they will be beyond piddly electoral politics I expect.

R18. They will have to give up been a royal if they want to make in roads politically.

Yeah, R18, no.

There's politics and Politics. When Charles makes a statement about architecture that's a political statement. No need to run for office.

R21, a couple of years ago "The Guardian" succeeded in a lawsuit to get the infamous "Black Spider Memos" released. These are letters from Charles to various ministers, lobbying them on certain pet causes. They're named after the style of his handwriting. They were controversial because they showed the potential for abuse from someone with privileged access to government ministries. It's access that the average Briton does not have. After their release, the letters showed that most ministers politely ignored him. Still, it fueled republicanism.

Harry and Meghan would have to give up everything, titles and all, if either desired a weightier platform or career other than giving speeches or writing editorials on non-controversial subjects or pulling cords on foundation plaques. And if they gave it all up, people would see that he has very little to offer and she is a second-rate actress.

That piece at R14 is a bit mealy-mouthed, I had hoped for more from Helen Lewis.

A political career which side of the Pond? Harry can't run for office in America, he's not a US citizen; in fact, I don't think he can run for office here, either, his position in the line of succession makes that impossible. He can either decide to become a US citizen and go to America with his still-American wife, exce pt that she may have to renounce her American citizenship in order to keep her HRH (there is a clause in the Constitution outlawing American from accepting titles from foreign governments except honourary ones) when her citizenship in the UK is finalised. Or, Harry would have to renounce his titles and his place in the line of succession to run for office here.

My guess is that they're after a quasi-political position, which is what they are crafting now, apparently. Charles was severely chastised for those spider memors, I imagine quite harshly behind the scenes by his mother, who understands better than anyone else the need for political neutrality on behalf of the monarchy. She and Charles cannot vote, you know, for just that reason. They cannot be seen to be using their considerably influence to push any particular political side lest they be seen to represent some of the Populace rather than All of the Populace. I don't think Charles will be doing that again.

The Queen is the last of a dying breed. I'm not sure whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, frankly.

Even though you wish every couple a lifetime of bliss, I wouldn't put my money on the durability of this marriage.

Every actor, male or female, wants the leading role and has no desire to be typecast. MM will spend the rest of her life in a supporting role in the same play. . The other American actress who married into "royalty" was Grace Kelly. She was from a different generation, but she became the consort of the reigning prince. Although there were offers, she never went back to Hollywood out of consideration for her position as princess consort. Again, Grace Kelly was from a different generation in which upper and upper middle-class women gave up any career after marriage.

Kate Middleton will eventually have the leading part available to women in that family of her generation. She will always take precedence over MM. And MM will always live under further restriction on what she can and cannot do. KM may be better suited to such a life. Although she is not an aristocrat, KM grew up in a milieu where women still assume traditional roles as supportive wives and mothers.

This fairytale may not have a happy ending! All her attempts to do things her own way from the birth of her son, his christening, and their refusal of a title for him are minor changes to a script in the same play...an extremely privileged life in exchange for no complaining and no explaining.

MM will eventually realize that her joining the cast made sure people renewed interest in the long-running show, but she'll never get the lead!

Well, let's hope Megsy's Balmoral birthday visit is/was blessedly brief. Coochie-coo little Archie, Happy Happy Birthday Megsy, and done.

I suspect R12 is pulling our legs. But in case she isn't: the Queen can't leapfrog over anyone or name anyone else as her heir. The only way the succession gets changed is by an Act of Parliament. Unless William is filmed molesting his children, he stays. And even if he were removed, no one can also leapfrog over Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and Prince Louis. The entier Cambridge family would have to be wiped out by Bubonic Plague to get Harry and Meghan onto the Throne, and even then the government could choose to move on to someone else if it wished.

The last tim the government considered changing the succession was the Abdication Crisis in 1936, when it considered bypassing Edward's next brother, Prince Albert Duke of York, for one of the two younger brothers. In the event, they went with the traditional custon, and Prince Albert and his wife, Elizabeth, became King George VI and Queen Elizabeth (later the Queen Mother).

But if Parliament had announced that they bypassing Prince Albert for either Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, or the youngest brother, Prince George, Duke of Kent, there wouldn't have been a think the BRF could have done about.

This isn't the 16th century and the British monarch doesn't get to decide the succession like Henry VIII.

^*entire Cambridge family

*The last time

*went with traditional custom

*they were bypassing

R27

Yikes

Thanks, R29. Harry is not smiling, is he?

R29 Euuurgh. She's repugnant.

The SMUGNESS is off the charts. No, he is not smiling. He looks a bit like he did when his team lost. Dude is a rager and it is gonna build. The tension radiated off him at the polo match and at TTC, he was rumored to disappear after the polo. Hmm, and Adam was there...

A divorce is inevitable.

Her behavior is hilarious.

A story was recently in the press about an incident with his mother as a young child, with Harry acting a bit the same way on an occasion when William was the focus and Diana being exasperated. But, of course, he was a young child, and Me-Gain is middle aged at the link. Surely, being on the good side of her husband, the spare to the future King of England, would be more beneficial than anything the men in the receiving line could offer? Is the momentary narc rush just that good?

Talk about emasculating. Poor spawn.

Link did not post at R33, trying again.

R34 You know Megs was thinking "Outta the way, dimwit." She DOES take charge. Here's another.