Since the Picard and Discovery threads have now become subscriber only (and doesn't seem to be working for subscribers), I thought I'd start a new thread where we can discuss all things Trek.
Official Star Trek Discussion Thread
|by Anonymous||reply 575||10/16/2020|
Good luck with that, OP, as this one probably won't be open for long either. I think I'll just stick to Reddit when it comes to Trek stuff from now on. Though it'll take some time, getting used to those humourless hetero bitches again.
Maybe I'll make a Picard Season 1 thread before it airs and we'll see if it stays open. I was shocked to learn recently that Discovery will only premiere in the latter half of 2020. That's a looong wait... but I'm intrigued by Lower Decks, so hopefully that'll tide me over.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||08/04/2019|
Well, they're not going to have Disco running while Picard is airing. And they just recently started filming Disco in earnest.
I mentioned this in one of the other threads, but CBS trademarked "Star Trek: Section 31" and "Star Trek: Prodigy."
They've also resurrected the Kelvin novels, which were axed pretty quickly after they began ten years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||08/04/2019|
R1 the original Picard an Discovery threads went on for months before they became subsciption based so hopefully we'll be lucky. R2 I believe they're restarting the Kelvin novels because the Kelvin movies are unlikely to be resurrected so the fans of those films we'll have something to buy.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||08/04/2019|
So, Johnathan Del Arco seems to be implying that his character and 7 of 9 may be an item in Star Trek Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||08/04/2019|
r4 I... have no idea how to feel about that. I'd rather Hugh be gay, honestly. Defintiely make someone gay if not him.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||08/04/2019|
R5 yesterday at STLV he basically said that he's gay in real life but that Hugh isn't
|by Anonymous||reply 6||08/04/2019|
r6 Oh, that sucks but isn't surprising. I thought it was a long shot anyway. Now hoping it's either Santiago Cabrera or the young Romulan martial arts expert.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||08/04/2019|
Brain and brain.
What is brain?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||08/04/2019|
Look at this lil' Guinan !!
|by Anonymous||reply 9||08/04/2019|
[quote]"#StarTrekLowerDecks takes place on the U.S.S. Cerritos... the speciality of the Cerritos is second contact... Second contact, you're showing up to the planet, you're finding all the good places to eat... You're like the Yelp of Starfleet." - @MikeMcMahanTM #STLV
Second contact! That sounds hysterical to me. What a concept, can't wait to see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||08/04/2019|
So, those rumours Alex Kurtzman was being moved away from the Trek franchise might be true after all.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||08/04/2019|
R3, the subscription crap locking out threads only started about a month ago. It seems that the more popular the thread gets, the faster it goes subscription. Crappy business model.
Unless you call the other shows Origina, Next Gener, Deep Spac, Voyag, and Enterp, stop calling Discovery 'Disco'. It's a terrible moniker. Using the abbreviations for all the other shows it's either DSC or Discovery. I mean, just because the idiots at Reddit just chopped off the last four letters doesn't mean you have to sound like an idiot, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||08/04/2019|
r12 Kindly stop telling people what to do. If we have to endure the haters calling it STD, you can sure as hell bet I'm going to call it DISCO.
Also, the preferred one has always been DIS, not DSC. Just like Voyager is VOY, not VGR. DSC and VGR were both concocted in CBS' marketing department because those marketing interns thought the full title would be more closely represented that way. That might be so, but it doesn't flow as well when written down.
[quote]I mean, just because the idiots at Reddit just chopped off the last four letters doesn't mean you have to sound like an idiot, too.
To the vast majority of people, we both already sound like idiots, arguing over abbreviations. So that starship has very much sailed, honey.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||08/05/2019|
You're also to buy an athletic T-shirt like the ones the characters wear with DISCO emblazoned on it. I bought one because I liked them so much.
There's also one now with Discovery orbiting a disco ball.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||08/05/2019|
I'm just waiting for the Captain Pike series.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||08/05/2019|
Tell CBS to throw money at Anson Mount, then.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||08/05/2019|
R16 If signing the fan petition and constantly nagging CBS about it on Twitter counts for anything, I have done.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||08/05/2019|
[quote]I bought one because I liked them so much.
r14 I'm jealous; those T-shirts looked so cool on the screen.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||08/05/2019|
r11 I feel like that grossly micharacterises what's being reported. He's been given another project (in the same genre!) in addition to running the Trek universe, which I feel like he can manage just fine, what with each Trek show having its own showrunner anyway.
Is the original with David Bowie any good?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||08/05/2019|
The Deep Space Nine Documentary is officially out on bluray and Itunes today. I saw it during its one day run in theaters and loved it. I'm really looking forward to watching the special features it comes with.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||08/06/2019|
R20 I just watched the deleted scene and my two favorite walk aways were Cirroc Lofton's 12 inch erection, and the fact that Avery Brooks and Rene Auberjonois couldn't stand each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||08/06/2019|
R21 There have been rumors online for years that Cirroc is very well endowed! As for Avery Brooks, it's well known that he was not particularly close to any of the DS9 cast except for Cirroc Lofton who played his son. There are a series of books out called the Firs Fifty-Year Mission which are basically an oral history of the franchise with unedited conversations with many of casts. There is a whole section about the DS9 casts interaction with Brooks and one person who was very frank about it was Alexander Siddig aka Dr. Bashir basically saying that he felt Avery had anger management issues which soured their relationship early on.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||08/07/2019|
R11 Kurtzman is mainly the executive producer of most of the new Star Trek series; he oversees the direction of the franchise but doesn't necessarily get involved in the day to day production decisions. That CBS All Access is picking up this new show direct to series is actually a positive sign for his relationship with them (and I've not been impressed with his vision for ST so far).
|by Anonymous||reply 23||08/07/2019|
One of the things that did come out in the doc was that despite Brooks being aloof from the rest of the cast, they all seemed to really respect him as a performer. And every single one of them talked about how they thought it was stupid and racist that they wouldn't let him shave his head for the first few seasons.
I loved listening to Penny Johnson Jerald talk about how sexy she thought his head was and how much she loved touching it.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||08/07/2019|
[quote] Unless you call the other shows Origina, Next Gener, Deep Spac, Voyag, and Enterp, stop calling Discovery 'Disco'.
And if you don't, I'll have you EJECTED into SPACE! IS THAT CLEAR?!
|by Anonymous||reply 25||08/07/2019|
R25 Trivia, do you know "Face of the Enemy," the episode you referring to in your post, was originally written as a Dr. Crusher episode. It was switched to Troi for two reasons. The writers thought that Troi's empathetic abilities might play to the plot of the story better, and Gates McFadden was allergic to the prosthetic glue need to attach the Romulan ears and forehead bumps.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||08/07/2019|
Thank God. It was Troi's finest hour, and Marina had WAAAY more fun with it than Gates would have.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||08/07/2019|
R27 I agree. Marina was always at her best when she was play a bitch. I think that episode where she, Data, and O'Brien are taken over by aliens was her best episode of the whole series. I also love to hate the one she hooks up with that telepathic ambassador and begins to age quickly.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||08/07/2019|
Ironically Gates McFadden best episode was "Sub Rosa" aka "fucking the space ghost." One of the worst episodes in the entire franchise but it is the only episode that really allowed her to show off her acting talent.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||08/07/2019|
r29, to me McFadden's best episode is (by far) "Remember Me," where the entire alternative universe Wesley accidentally sends her to collapses inwards on her. She beautifully delivers that little speech in it to Picard about all the people who have disappeared and how they matter to her--it's her finest moment in the entire series. She so often was given the worst lines on the entire show (e.g. the shouted "LIFE FORCE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND US?" in "Home Soil") that it was nice that once she was given such a nice little speech.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||08/07/2019|
"Face of the Enemy" is Sirtis's best episode, and she has often said so. She's campy yet still believable and effective pretending to be the bitchy Tal Shiar officer ("THIS gives me the authority!") and it helped her enormously she got to play off Carolyn Seymour, one of the finest guest actors TNG ever had (though Seymour's finest work is in "First Contact").
|by Anonymous||reply 31||08/07/2019|
Wasn't McFadden squicky about the "gay" relationship in that episode where she was in love with a male Trill host and when he died his new host was a female and Dr. Crusher was like "Oh, hell no!"?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||08/07/2019|
No, she thought it was stupid that Beverly wouldn't kiss the female host goodbye.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||08/08/2019|
The other nice thing about "Face of the Enemy" is that the selection of Troi doesn't hinge on her being a woman. The Maguffin is her powers, and they could have easily rewritten that with one of men having some other skill that they needed.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||08/08/2019|
"Sub Rosa" is my favourite Trek episode. As for "The Host", it absolutely is low-key homophobic. Consider this:
[quote]Beverly: I don't know if I should fuck Riker. Seems weird.
[quote]Troi: Yes, he's your superior officer, and your ex's friend and his subordinate, and my ex, and like a brother to you... but you have to accept the love flowing towards you, Beverly.
[quote]*Trill symbiont jumps into the body of a female stranger*
[quote]Beverly: Fuck this, I'm out!
|by Anonymous||reply 35||08/08/2019|
R32 I doubt it. McFadden was apparently quite outspoken about sexism and racism she perceived in certain season 1 scripts (one of the reasons she was fired before season 2), so I doubt she would have an issue with a gay relationship. She was also from a theater and choreography background; she just doesn't seem to be the type to have an issue with something like that. I think the TNG actors were generally more progressive than the producers/network.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||08/08/2019|
R31 Definitely agree on Carolyn Seymour -- she was amazing in each of her roles. I wish they had created a recurring character for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||08/08/2019|
When Gates taught at Brandeis, she lived with a female partner.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||08/08/2019|
R32 Even when TNG was still on the air, Gates was on record over he disappointment with the ending of "The Host." She felt the kiss on the wrist was lame and she doesn't believe Beverly would have rejected the new female host. She even said that at the Star Trek doctors panel at Vegas last weekend.
R38 I have heard rumors over the years that Gates (at least when she was younger) swung both ways. During most of TNG's run she was with a man named John Tablot who is the father of her son but they broke up sometimes in the late 90s. She has been with her current (male) partner for almost 20 years. I can't find a picture but he has traveled with her to Vegas a couple times and funny enough he looks a lot like Patrick Stewart.
I always thought Gates' best episode was The Host. I think she looked fantastic in that episode (she was 8 months pregnant) and it's one of the few times I felt Gates wasn't somewhat inhibited with her acting. I always felt she is one of those theater actors who is great on stage but their acting style doesn't always translate well to film.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||08/08/2019|
To my mind there are just a few really great guest performances on ST: TNG, and they're all by women, for some reason.
*Carolyn Seymour as Mirasta Yale, the kidnapped planetary minister, in "First Contact," and as Subcommander Toreth in "Face of the Enemy"
*Susan Powell as the replica of Marla Aster in "The Bonding"
*Ellen Geer as the obsessed Dr. Kila Marr in "Silicon Avatar"
It's strange because I can think of so many first-rate guest performances on the original Star Trek (Mark Leonard, Jane Wyatt, John Colicos, William Windom, Sally Kellerman, Diana Muldaur in "Is There in Truth No Beauty?," and the list goes on and on...), and yet ST: TNG was such a great show
|by Anonymous||reply 40||08/08/2019|
Damn, that T-shirt looks good.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||08/08/2019|
R41 I much prefer Jason over Anson...something about Jason and his attitude says he'd be a good fuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||08/08/2019|
r42 Agreed. I think Mount is objectively more attractive of the two, but Isaacs has such a strong sense of humour that comes so effortlessly to him, it's just intoxicating to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||08/08/2019|
R42 & R43 Anson has a nicer (an apparently unpadded) butt, but I like Isaacs' personality better.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||08/08/2019|
Can't we all just want to be spit-roasted by them?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||08/08/2019|
Glad I was wrong about McFadden. It was probably either Braga or that asshole who was in charge whose name I've obviously blocked because he was an asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||08/08/2019|
R46 It's well known that it was Rick Berman who was against having an LGBT characters or representation on the shows. TNG did an episode called "The Outcast" which was meant as an analogy for homosexuality but watching the episode now it actually has more to do with gender identity than sexuality.
DS9 was the most direct in addressing homosexuality in "Rejoined" where Terry Farrell and Susanna Thompson share a passionate kiss. Trivia that episode was directed by Avery Brooks who refused to allow the PR photographers to take any still shots of the kiss as he felt Paramount would try and sensationalize it. Also in season 7, Nicole de Boer and Nana Visitor kissed in a mirror universe episode. The only reason why DS9 could be more direct was that Rick Berman wasn't as heavily involved with the show as he was with Voyager which never even touched upon homosexuality.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||08/09/2019|
Well, Janeway did openly lust after Seven, so...
|by Anonymous||reply 48||08/09/2019|
No, she did not. It was always a teacher-student sort of thing, but of course the lesbians took them for their own as they were so starved for representation at the time.
Blaming Berman for the lack of gay characters and storylines... I don't know. It was the whole system that was fucked up - from the execs to the advertisers, which was all a reflection of the society at the time. This just wasn't the optimal outlet to push the gay stuff at that time. However, it was surely time to push it more openly during ENT, and they still opted against it. That still bothers me to this day.
Also, that one female kiss on DS9 was A LOT easier to sell to the audience and to the execs than two guys kissing, let's be real. They got to push the envelope and titillate their core audience at the same time.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||08/09/2019|
R49, stop with your gay male victim stuff every time anyone brings up one lesbian doing anything on any show. Gay men are much more represented in all media than lesbians. So sick of having to post this same study over and over in the face of the whining about how lesbians get all the representation.
(And, the way Janeway looked at Seven was not teacher/student or mother/daughter unless you had some really sick teachers or mothers.)
|by Anonymous||reply 50||08/09/2019|
Gates McFadden appeared at Steel City Comic Con today and when asked about appearing on Star Trek Picard she claims that she has been approached about making an appearance. Now, Marina was saying the same thing right up until the beginning of July so we shall see.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||08/09/2019|
R50 Glaad? Fuck off with those traitors and their reports
|by Anonymous||reply 52||08/09/2019|
R52, numbers are numbers. It's not even a poll or something. They literally just count.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||08/09/2019|
R51 Out of the surviving six TNG lead characters (I'm not counting Wesley), Dr. Crusher seems like the one character Picard wouldn't have lost contact with given their long history of friendship and romantic attraction. In reality though, Beverly just wasn't that important of a character so I'm not sure what to think. Jonathan Frakes apparently did let slip that other characters we don't know about yet will appear. If that's the case, the reason why the have told us is that it could give away too much of the story line. It could be that Gates has signed an NDA and is just towing the line but she has been fairly active on the convention circuit this summer which makes me believe that she hasn't been contacted. That being said, I still have a feeling something happened to Beverly.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||08/10/2019|
R54 I suppose Beverly could be dead but I just think they didn't get together. If they killed of Beverly, they would have to address it in the prequel comics and book, and that would be too big of a spoiler. I think Beverly is retired and living on that Scotland planet where her Nana was fucking a space ghost.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||08/11/2019|
never watched a single episode or movie. corney and amateurish...….how dare they foist such crap on us
|by Anonymous||reply 56||08/11/2019|
I don't want to sound like an asshole (too late, I know) but as broke as I am, I really don't mind paying the subscription fees. That said, I really do miss the higher traffic, and fun craziness, key word FUN, from witty posters who would just pop in and out as they felt like it. Also, it is BEYOND FUCKING REFRESHING that the population of Frauen in general, and the tedious tweens with their knives out for MM appear to have plummeted since Muriel tightened the screws.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||08/11/2019|
Fun panel, but what in gay hell has Gates done to her face?!
|by Anonymous||reply 58||08/12/2019|
R58 Botox and fillers possibly a lift.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||08/12/2019|
Barbara March, who played Lursa, the more butch of the Duras sisters, has passed away at 65.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||08/13/2019|
R60 I was just going to post about this! I loved Lursa and B'Etor and was surprised to learn that both Barbara March and Gwynyth Walsh are Canadian and had known each other for years before they were both cast on Star Trek TNG.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||08/13/2019|
In addition to Barbara March's untimely passing, big news in the Trekverse as CBS and Viacom have officially merged. This means that the entire franchise is now housed again under one roof. CBS is now the sole owner of not just every episode of Trek, but now owns the Trek movie library as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||08/13/2019|
I wonder what effect, if any, that will have on the franchise's prospects on the big screen. I mean, I'd rather them continue to build out their TV offerings, but they have to be thinking of the smaller-scale MCU-like possibilities.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||08/13/2019|
Viacom seems to always turn cable channels to shit by allowing programming not irrelevant to that channel. Take for example MTV which now only show stupid reality shows. The history channel which also shows reality shows that don't related to history
|by Anonymous||reply 64||08/13/2019|
R63 the main change of the merger will mean future trek film won't have to be made under an alternative license. This means we could potentially have movies that are once again set in the prime universe or that features actors and characters from any of the current or past iterations of Star Trek.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||08/13/2019|
R65 YES! Kill the Kelvin timeline stat
|by Anonymous||reply 66||08/13/2019|
[quote] That being said, I still have a feeling something happened to Beverly.
She perished from terminal drabness... the one disease she could not cure!!
|by Anonymous||reply 67||08/13/2019|
Ethan Peck looking yummy on the TOS Enterprise bridge.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||08/24/2019|
He seems REALLY into playing Spock. And I love that about him.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||08/24/2019|
He looks so good with glasses, eugh!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||08/24/2019|
Damn, Ethan is getting into shape.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||08/24/2019|
[quote]Out of the surviving six TNG lead characters (I'm not counting Wesley), Dr. Crusher seems like the one character Picard wouldn't have lost contact with given their long history of friendship and romantic attraction.
This was admittedly a long time ago, but didn't the TNG finale jump ahead to a future where Picard interacts with multiple characters, including Geordi? Also, I know "Discovery" has had about a dozen showrunners at this point, but it seems pretty clear that CBS has been actively trying to steer clear of the existing canon, hence Seven being the only one known for certain to show up on "Picard."
[quote]I was shocked to learn recently that Discovery will only premiere in the latter half of 2020.
Not sure if this was addressed later upthread, but they announced during Comic-Con that "Discovery" will premiere on Jan. 17, two weeks after the first "Short Treks" episode drops.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||08/24/2019|
[quote]hence Seven being the only one known for certain to show up on "Picard."
They've already confirmed that we'll see Riker and Troi.
[quote]Not sure if this was addressed later upthread, but they announced during Comic-Con that "Discovery" will premiere on Jan. 17, two weeks after the first "Short Treks" episode drops.
That was for S2. Picard is more likely to appear in January or February.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||08/24/2019|
It's widely believed that Picard will priemere in Febraury 2020 and Discovery season 3 will begin right after Picard ends.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||08/24/2019|
R72 The future timeline presented in All Good Things was an alternate timeline so writers have a clean slate to pretty much do what they want with Picard. Patrick Stewart stated in an interview after the full trailer was released that Picard has had little contact with the former Enterprise gang in the 20 years since Nemesis. I think writers might "pay tribute" to some of the things we saw in the All Good Things future. I personally think that Irumodic Syndrome will play some role in the new show and may explain why Starfleet may no longer trust him. Based on what we've heard about Troi and Riker (apparently they are no longer active Starfleet Officers) I think it's possible the whole Enterprise gang is retired which is why Picard has no one to turn to within the fleet. I also agree that Beverly could be dead or she and Picard may be divorced or just never got together at all. Jonathan Frakes has hinted that there are other characters from within the Trek Universe appearing in Picard that we don't know about for some reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||08/25/2019|
[bold]‘Star Trek: Discovery’: The Vibrant Opening Credits That Give Space Its Own Renaissance[/bold]
[quote]The gorgeous, soaring trip through the fundamentals of the "Star Trek" universe at the start of each episode is a delicate balance of color, deconstruction, and emptiness.
I've seen a lot of people who are into graphic design praise it, but I'm just a pleb and I'm really not feeling it despite loving the show. It apparently changes in small ways throughout the season, but I always just skipped it. Or maybe it's the music that bugs me, I don't know.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||08/27/2019|
The producers of Picard should have put Mirina Sirtis into a fat suit and had Troi weigh 300 pounds from her addiction to chocolate from over the years.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||08/27/2019|
[quote] Viacom seems to always turn cable channels to shit
Plus they cut the shows for extra commercial time.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||08/27/2019|
Jonathan Frakes was a hot bear back in the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||08/27/2019|
Michael Chaon confirmed on Insta that yesterday (Friday) was the final day of principle photography for Season 1 of Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||08/31/2019|
I watched the DS9 documentary, nothing much going on apart from talking about how the fucking amazing the show was, and they all were. Worthless
|by Anonymous||reply 81||08/31/2019|
when does picard start?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||08/31/2019|
January or February.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||08/31/2019|
R82 no official date but likely during sweeps in February.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||08/31/2019|
R84 That makes no sense, is not about rating on CBSPayChannelThing
|by Anonymous||reply 85||08/31/2019|
[bold]Star Trek: Jonathan Frakes Was a Nervous Wreck Returning as Riker for Picard[/bold]
[quote]“I had just directed two episodes of Picard with Sir Patrick and, as I said, his acting muscle was well-toned. And Marina (Sirtis) had just closed having starred in a play in the West End in London. So, I knew she was going to be in good form. So, I was a nervous wreck. It ended up going very well. But don’t let anybody tell you it’s like getting back on a bike. That’s bulls--t. That’s acting bulls--t.”
|by Anonymous||reply 86||09/03/2019|
[quote][R82] no official date but likely during sweeps in February.
Do sweeps even matter for the streaming services, as they don't sell advertising, nor measure viewership in any traditional manner since it's all about subscriptions.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||09/03/2019|
[bold]How ‘Star Trek’ Pushed Cory Booker to Make It So[/bold]
[quote]His favorite captain is Jean-Luc Picard. He thinks President Trump has a little Ferengi in him. A conversation with Senator Cory Booker about hope, “Star Trek” and his father.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||09/08/2019|
Warren is a Trekkie too. In one of her books, she talked about watching every TNG episode with one of her kids.
Stacey Abrams said her favorite was Janeway.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||09/08/2019|
It appears that Picard producers may have inadvertently spoiled that Michael Dorn will be appearing on the show. On the final day of shooting, crew members were given some memorabilia one of which was a directors slate withe autographs of the cast....one of the autographs looks a lot like Michael Dorn's. My money is now that Worf, Beverly, and Geordie will make appearances but we just haven't heard about it yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||09/09/2019|
R87 They might do like they did with the Discovery premiere, where the first two episodes aired on CBS.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||09/09/2019|
Is it true that Vulcans are as intellectually developed as Stratos City dwellers?
|by Anonymous||reply 92||09/09/2019|
[quote]They might do like they did with the Discovery premiere, where the first two episodes aired on CBS.
I don't understand why CBS is so willing to banish its new "Star Trek" series -- something that would undoubtedly be of great interest to many viewers -- to its streaming service as opposed to a permanent spot on its broadcast primetime schedule. Hell, I'm sure most people would rather see a new "Trek" series than the umpteenth version of some NCIS/CSI show.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||09/09/2019|
They didn't banish Star Trek to their streaming service. In fact, it's their parade horse, hence the year-round Trek content coming our way.
If they put Discovery on their regular channel, they wouldn't get that Netflix distribution deal, plus I don't think the revenue would be as great as it is now when people are signing up for the service whenever a Trek show is on. It's largely thanks to all those Trekkies who subscribed and then promptly cancelled their subscription after Discovery's season ended that we're now getting several new Trek shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||09/09/2019|
My take Worf is Captain of the Enterprise, Beverly is dead but we'll see her in a flashback, and Geordie will be seen with Hugh at some point.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||09/09/2019|
Exactly, it is their most valuable IP. The perfect property to build their streaming platform. Though I question why they don't keep the rights to Canada and Australia, to help build up All-Access in those territories, since they operate there.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||09/09/2019|
[quote]If they put Discovery on their regular channel, they wouldn't get that Netflix distribution deal
It's not on Netflix in the US. So, again, the US audience gets screwed.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||09/09/2019|
Somewhat related, I guess...
[quote]The Hollywood Reporter columnist and TV writer defends Walter Mosley’s decision to quit the 'Star Trek: Discovery' writers room after CBS admonished him for uttering the racial slur in the context of storytelling.
[quote]To summarize, Mosley was telling a personal anecdote in the writers room of CBS’ Star Trek: Discovery: “I just told a story about a cop who explained to me, on the streets of Los Angeles, that he stopped all n---ers in paddy neighborhoods and all paddies in n--er neighborhoods, because they were usually up to no good.” An unidentified writer in the room complained to human resources about his use of the n-word and HR admonished Mosley not to say the word again. He could write it in a script, they explained, but not say it aloud. Mosley’s response was to quit the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||09/10/2019|
R95 Hugh is going to be geordi 's gay Borg roommate
|by Anonymous||reply 99||09/12/2019|
More theories about why Dr. Crusher doesn't appear to be in Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||09/12/2019|
God, I don't understand these kinds of YouTube videos.
Two minute trailer gets a twenty-minute analysis.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||09/13/2019|
CBS denies Worf cameo. So either Michael Dorn was visiting the set and they asked him to sign or CBS is lying in order to not ruin a surprise or story point.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||09/13/2019|
R102 there wording is interesting. They said Dorn will not appear as Worf, but they didn't deny Dorn will appear on the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||09/14/2019|
Discovery won its first Emmy at the Creative Arts Emmys last night. Just for make-up, specifically for the Talosians. But that's part of a proud tradition for the franchise.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||09/16/2019|
r104 Yay! That was some good make-up.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||09/16/2019|
They've also got their next Disco novel. After books about Michael (Desperate Hours), Prime Lorca and Prime Georgiou (Drastic Measures), Saru (Fear, Itself), Tilly (The Way to the Stars), and Pike (The Enterprise War), we get Stamets' starring role, Dead Endless. We're in a place where a gay couple can be on the cover of a Star Trek novel. Who'da thunk?
|by Anonymous||reply 106||09/16/2019|
Interesting rumor going around...an actress by the name of Lulu Wilson has been added to the cast list of Picard with her name being Kestra. There is a rumor that this character is William and Deanna's daughter. Kestra was the name a of Troi's older sister who drowned when Deanna was just a baby. Also the actress playing her is 14 which would make her fit the age range. Based on the spoilers from Jonathan Frakes, Troi and Riker are no longer active Starfleet officers. Perhaps a couple years after Nemesis Riker and Troi left Startfleet to raise a family.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||09/16/2019|
CBS confirms Picard Season 2 is a go and will start filming in March.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||09/19/2019|
It's just for show. They're saving face.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||09/19/2019|
[quote]Based on the spoilers from Jonathan Frakes, Troi and Riker are no longer active Starfleet officers. Perhaps a couple years after Nemesis Riker and Troi left Startfleet to raise a family.
Too bad. I would love to see a canon version of the USS Titan that Riker commanded.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||09/19/2019|
R110 It sounds like producers wanted to go in "unexpected directions" with the old characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||09/19/2019|
In a new interview, Stewart is hinting at some big shocks in store for fans
|by Anonymous||reply 112||09/19/2019|
[quote][R110] It sounds like producers wanted to go in "unexpected directions" with the old characters.
Well, that sounds like they've been taking lessons from Rian Johnson.
Strong characters and arcs, character motivation that makes sense, conflict that creates drama instead of melodrama - is that really too much to ask?
I hope it's good. I hate myself that I'll watch it no matter whether it is or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||09/19/2019|
R113 I'm optimistic that it'll be good. Patrick Stewart had turned down the chance to reprise the role of Picard a few times before so my gut is he wouldn't have agreed to it if he didn't feel it would be a well crafted projected. He has stated time and time again that he agreed to do it because he felt it honored what had been done but goes in a new direction. It's not a sequel but rather a new chapter.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||09/20/2019|
Update RE: Michael Dorn's autograph. According to some twitter comments Dorn appeared at a convention this past week and confirmed he is not appearing on Picard as Worf or any other character. The reason for his autograph was the week Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis were filming their scenes, producers invited all the TNG cast to a special lunch. Dorn signed because he thought he was supposed to and no one bothered to double check. LeVar Burton also attended the lunch but Gates and Brent were not in LA at the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||09/20/2019|
Nog has died. 😕
|by Anonymous||reply 116||09/22/2019|
Well, now I'm depressed.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||09/22/2019|
I loved Nog.
That episode where he lost his leg had me in tears.
DS9 was THE best Trek show, IMHO.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||09/22/2019|
Well, that's sad. He seemed like a good guy.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||09/22/2019|
Nog had nice sexy arms
|by Anonymous||reply 120||09/23/2019|
Did Eisenberg have a similar illness to Gary Coleman who had focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, a congenital kidney disease? The corticosteroids and other medications used to treat it limited his growth, and his face kept a childlike appearance even into adulthood.
The articles note that Eisenberg had health issues from birth due to having been born with one kidney and seemed to have similar symptoms.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||09/23/2019|
R121 although his wife hasn't stated what caused his death, he had kidney problems his whole life and had two transplants that last of which was in 2015. It seems, however, that this death was sudden and somewhat unexpected. He appears to have gone out to an event with his wife then suddenly ended up in hospital in critical condition dying just shortly after.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||09/26/2019|
I believe someone said he had a heart attack.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||09/26/2019|
R123 sadly heart failure can be a side effect of all the the medication required form a kidney transplant.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||09/26/2019|
Slightly off topic but here's a recent interview with Diana Muldaur who made two guest appearances on TOS and of course played the far more interesting Dr. Pulaski for one season on TNG.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||09/26/2019|
R125 love that she named her dog Pulaski!!! Whatever you think of the Pulaski/Crusher debate, Diana Muldaur could act circles around Gates McFadden. Sadly Patrick Stewart and several members of the cast treated her like shit and the character was never given an opportunity to fully shine.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||09/26/2019|
Rewatching as an adult, I liked Pulaski a lot more than I did as a gayling.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||09/26/2019|
The problem with Pulaski, is that they made her uncomfortable with Data, who had already become a fan favorite. I think they thought they could make them like McCoy and Spock, but they just made her seem like a bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||09/26/2019|
R128 They were clearly trying to create a Bones/Spock dynamic with Pulaski and Data problem is that Spock could give it back to McCoy but Data was too childlike and so it made her look like a bully. Looking back at it now, however, I think the Pulaski/Data story would have played out very interestingly over the rest of the series. You could tell by the end of the season that she had grown very fond of Data and I actually think she would have eventually become a mentor figure for him.
In recent years I've come to the conclusion that Pulaski is a far more interesting character than Crusher. Indeed, in one season she made far more of an impression than Crusher made in six seasons and four movies. Tonally, Beverly was the better fit for the show as Pulaski's rougher edges that didn't jive with the rest of the human characters. It was also clear that Muldaur lacked chemistry with most of the cast and I think the strain was starting to show by the end of the season. Muldaur looks noticeably puffy eyed in later episode which gives credence to the rumors that she walked off the set in tears on more than one occasion.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||09/26/2019|
A CBS photographer may have inadvertently spoiled what appears to be John de Lancie as Q. You don't see de Lancie but there is a shot of a red glove on the side of a gold chair which looks a lot like Q's judge outfit and chair from the first and last episodes of TNG.
I believe that this actually might be shoot for a Short Trek called Q&A. Kurtzman has confirmed that 1 short trek will serve as a prequel to Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||10/02/2019|
R130, the "gold chair" is a bunch of sticks.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||10/02/2019|
R130 Since the Short Trek titles were announced, I have suspected that "Q & A" would involve Q. He was the only important character on TNG, outside of the bridge crew. He was there for the pilot, finale and several of the other most memorable episodes. However, I don't think his character would really fit in the darker tone Picard seems to be taking, so the best way to fit him in would be in a stand alone Short Trek.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||10/02/2019|
R130 the video has been taken down! seems to confirm something is up.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||10/02/2019|
R133 video is actually still up! I believe it is John de Lancie as Q. There is a Picard panel at NYC ComicCon this weekend and there has been buzz all week that two TNG alumni (not previously announced) are set to appear as a surprise. This buzz has been Whoopi (who lives in NYC) and Gates McFadden .
|by Anonymous||reply 134||10/02/2019|
Also confirmed, a new Picard trailer on Saturday.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||10/02/2019|
Teaser trailer is out.
930 years into the future. Andorians!
|by Anonymous||reply 136||10/05/2019|
And the Picard one.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||10/05/2019|
[quote]The first of six all-new Star Trek: Short Treks premieres today, Oct. 5, with the release of “Q&A,” now streaming on CBS All Access.
Erm, what the what now? Are they shitting me?! 😮
|by Anonymous||reply 138||10/05/2019|
Picard with Riker and Troi give me such feels.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||10/05/2019|
And in Q&A, we learn that Pike's chief engineer is a Welsh woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||10/05/2019|
I had a smile on my face during every second of Q&A. They HAVE to make a Pike series soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||10/05/2019|
[quote]I had a smile on my face during every second of Q&A. They HAVE to make a Pike series soon.
The panel was pretty decent. The clips were good. People went nuts over over Riker and Troi.
I guess it was a DL mini get together...and like backrooms of yesteryear, none of us knew the others were there in the dark.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||10/05/2019|
Oh, and Seven of Nine dual wielding phaser rifles.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||10/05/2019|
I liked Q & A, but it bothered me they used the same Gilbert and Sullivan song Data and Picard sang in Star Trek: Insurrection.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||10/06/2019|
Frakes should consider gastric bypass surgery.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||10/06/2019|
And in our continued discussion of Star Trek and wigs, how can we not mention that monstrosity atop Brent Spiner's head.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||10/06/2019|
[quote]I liked Q & A, but it bothered me they used the same Gilbert and Sullivan song Data and Picard sang in Star Trek: Insurrection.
That didn't bother me as much as their using the JJprise music for the Picard cast and crew at the end.
[quote]And in our continued discussion of Star Trek and wigs, how can we not mention that monstrosity atop Brent Spiner's head.
That's the weird thing - hasn't it ALWAYS been a wig? Data's hair has looked the same since the character was introduced. Only a wig could achieve that level of consistency, I would suspect. Why they would use such a bizarre looking wig is disturbing.
And speaking of the Q&A, when did it become standard to give your entire life story, thank them "for their service" as it were, and pontificate, rather than actually asking a question. You could see it on their faces, the person at the mic would drone on and on while they were desperately listening for a question which often never came until prompted by someone saying, "so what's your question?"
This was fairly standard in most of the panels almost to the point where if a person provided some context and then simply asked the question, it came across as abrupt.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||10/06/2019|
Also, they sand "A British Tar" in Insurrection, not "Modern Major General."
|by Anonymous||reply 148||10/06/2019|
Some interesting theories about the plot of Star Trek Picard
|by Anonymous||reply 149||10/06/2019|
The Q&A short was beyond delightful. So playful and meta and... FUN! Romijn's Number One wig has never looked better. However, you could definitely see Peck's contacts in closeups.
Please sir, may I have another? 🥺
|by Anonymous||reply 150||10/06/2019|
R146 Also on the wig front: In the Discovery trailer it looks like Sonequa Martin-Green is going to use her natural hairstyle instead of a wig in season 3.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||10/06/2019|
R167, I was referring to the new Short Trek "Q & A", not the PIcard cast ComicCon appearance.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||10/07/2019|
Season 2 confirmed! And some more about the Short Treks:
Three Pike ones (“Q & A,” “The Trouble with Edward,” “Ask Not”)
'Star Trek: Picard' prequel (“Children of Mars”).
The December ones [animated shorts] (“The Girl who Made the Stars,” “Ephraim and Dot”)
|by Anonymous||reply 153||10/07/2019|
A delightful Trek short. Be sure to catch the commercial after the credits.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||10/11/2019|
Apparently, the interwebs has now nicknamed Discovery Season 3 a bad reboot of Andromeda based on the recent trailers that dropped.
Andromeda itself was apparently a big FU about what Trek had become by 2000 - which I hadn't heard. Personally, I couldn't ever get into Andromeda, except for a shirtless Steve Bacic.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||10/11/2019|
I haven't seen people calling it a "bad" reboot of Andromeda (how can you even judge that from a trailer?!), but they are saying it feels like Andromeda. And the early seasons of that show were apparently fun, so I see nothing wrong with that, personally.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||10/11/2019|
My boss is obsessed with Star Trek and has brought it up with customers on calls.
Met with crickets.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||10/11/2019|
It's always awkward when someone brings up (relatively) niche things in conversations with people they don't know that well, so that's not just Trek. There's a time and place for everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||10/11/2019|
R158 What kind of business? If it is a geeky industry it makes sense. When I worked at a tech startup we had office outings to see the new Star Trek films.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||10/11/2019|
Can't post in the Picard thread (it's almost full anyway), so I'll post this here.
[quote]‘Star Trek: Picard’ to feature ‘Logan’-inspired soft reboot of ‘The Next Generation’, with swearing and intense moments
|by Anonymous||reply 160||11/03/2019|
Not a big fan of today's Short Trek. It was okay, but a bit thin, I knew immediately what was going on, and the acting was pretty iffy at times.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||11/14/2019|
[bold]We lived long and prospered! How Star Trek saved fans' lives[/bold]
A couple of super inspiring stories out in TheGuardian yesterday, for those who might not understand why people are into Star Trek. Some stories in the comments as well.
[quote]Growing up a Jehovah’s Witness in Arkansas, my TV watching was strictly controlled. My Little Pony and The Smurfs were banned for being “demonistic”, but somehow Star Trek slipped through the net. When I was 14, a 51-year-old member of the congregation began grooming me. After the elders found out he had coerced me into having sex, I was “disfellowshipped” – the start of my road to spiritual death, in my mom’s eyes. I left home and moved in with my brother in Utah.
[quote]Away from the church, I turned to Star Trek with fresh eyes. I was struck by the parallels between Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Borg, a race of mindless drones bent on assimilating others into their collective. Online, former Witnesses refer to the official website JW.org as “JW.Borg”. I felt inspired by Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan) in Voyager, an emancipated drone who fought to regain her individuality.
[quote]Living in the secular world, I often feel like an alien beamed up from a backward planet. I still struggle to celebrate birthdays or say “Bless you!” when someone sneezes. But I’m determined to steer my own course towards Star Trek’s hi-tech future. In my 30s I started community college, and I’m now at university studying bioengineering.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||11/14/2019|
think i am going to pay to watch this.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||11/14/2019|
[bold]‘Legion’ Creator Noah Hawley in Talks to Write And Direct Next ‘Star Trek’ Film for Paramount[/bold]
[quote]“Legion” creator Noah Hawley is in talks to write and direct the next “star trek” film for Paramount, an individual with knowledge of the project tells TheWrap. The film will be fourth in the series that began with 2009’s “Star Trek” reboot. Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Simon Pegg and Karl Urban are expected to return.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||11/19/2019|
R164 WOW! The original ST 4 script was shelved because Paramount didn't want to pay Pine and Chris Hemsworth (who was supposed to reprise his role as Kirk's father) what they had original promised. My hunch at the time was that Paramount would eventually drop Hemsworth (let his contract expire) and pay Pine what they originally promised him. I actually really like Beyond, so I'd be happy to see that cast again...the story didn't mention John Cho though.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||11/19/2019|
R165 The history is that back in 2016, Paramount negociated a deal with both Pine and Hemsworth offering them each $5 million to do ST4. After Beyond did lukewarm box office, Paramount decided that ST4's budget needed to be cut. In doing so, they re-opened talked with Pine and Hemsworth to lower their salaries. Both actors refused since there was already a deal in place, and the project was shelved. It now appears that Pine will get is $5 million thanks to the money they are saving for cutting Hemsworth out and writing a whole new script.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||11/20/2019|
The co-writer for the new Star Trek Picard prequel comic gave an interview today. LaForge makes a cameo in the comic. He's been promoted to full commander and is now the head of Starship development for Starfleet. The first comic is due out next week, and will focus on Picard's mission into Romulan space.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||11/23/2019|
Another page of the Picard comic was released today. The Enterprise-E is still in operation and her captain referred to, but not by name.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||11/25/2019|
Review of the new Picard comic and new theories about why Picard left starfleet.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||11/27/2019|
[bold]The Star Trek TV Universe is CBS All Access’ Secret Weapon. Will It Keep Expanding Infinitely?[/bold]
Michelle Yeoh’s ‘Star Trek: Section 31’ series to be inspired by Clint Eastwood’s ‘Unforgiven’, apparently. Also talks about the 'Picard' series.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||11/29/2019|
Wait, Michael Chabon brought his wife/beard onto Picard?
Never mind, then.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||11/29/2019|
r171 Ayelet Waldman? It's not in her IMDb credits? She exec-produced Unbelievable and that one was good, wasn't it?
|by Anonymous||reply 172||11/29/2019|
Another new series?! Sweet.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||11/29/2019|
They need to slow it down. They're going to keep going until all the shows turn to shit due to inattention and lack of focus.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||11/29/2019|
Kurtzman says she was involved in the interview.
I find her insufferable.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||11/29/2019|
[quote]They need to slow it down.
They want to have a Trek show on at all times throughout the year, so people don't unsubscribe.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||11/29/2019|
I have to admit, I'm a bit worried that this is all a bit too much too quickly. I get why CBS wants more Trek! From a business perspective it makes total sense. Trek is the driver of it's all access subscriptions. Problem is, the new incarnation of the franchise hasn't proved itself quality wise yet. Season 2 of Discovery was a big step up but it still hasn't totally found its footing. Back in the 90s once you had TNG/DS9/VOY in the mix ratings started to go down and certainly after DS9 went off the air the quality of the franchise rapidly declined too. The only good thing is if they plan on not having more than one show on at a time. That might work better.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||11/29/2019|
[quote]Problem is, the new incarnation of the franchise hasn't proved itself quality wise yet. Season 2 of Discovery was a big step up but it still hasn't totally found its footing.
Initial seasons of Trek post-TOS are notoriously wobbly, so this is a proud tradition by now.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||11/29/2019|
So allegedly, Rod Roddenberry let slip at Starbase Indy Con yesterday that a Pike series has been green lit by CBS but probably won't go into production for a year or two. He then allegedly realized he wasn't supposed to say anything and said something along the lines of "you didn't hear that from me."
I'm guessing it would go into production in 2022. The reason I suspect this is because Patrick Stewart has confirmed that Picard has been plotted for a three season run which would likely conclude in 2022. Section 31 with Michelle Yeoh is schedule to start filming in either late 2020 or early 2021. From a buget point of view, it's unlikely CBS wants more than three live action Trek shows at one time.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||11/30/2019|
I don't know if this has posted before or not, but it's about Jeri freaking out that she wouldn't be able get into a Seven who's been on Earth for twenty years.
What I love is that it was Jonathan Del Arco who got her through it. I love that they're friends off the set.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||11/30/2019|
Trek is as timeless as the zipper in the back of Wesley Crusher's pants.
What a whore.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||11/30/2019|
They been begging him for over a decade. PS must be making bank. Good for him. I love him and will probably buy this show thing will it drops live. I just have to figure out how.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||12/02/2019|
[bold]Iconic Star Trek Writer Dorothy “D.C.” Fontana Passes Away at 80[/bold]
[quote]Fontana’s Star Trek writing credits include the Original Series episodes “The Enterprise Incident,” “Journey to Babel,” “This Side of Paradise,” “Tomorrow is Yesterday,” and “Charlie X.” Following the cancellation of Star Trek in 1969, she worked on several television series, including Logan’s Run, The Six Million Dollar Man and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. She would later go on to be a producer on Star Trek: The Animated Series, where she wrote the episode “Yesteryear” and on Star Trek: The Next Generation, where she wrote the series pilot episode “Encounter at Farpoint,” in addition to “The Naked Now,” “Too Short a Season,” and “Heart of Glory.” She would return to the Star Trek franchise to pen the Deep Space Nine first-season episode “Dax.”
[quote]Fontana’s work on the Next Generation pilot “Encounter at Farpoint” (which she co-wrote with Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry) earned her a Hugo Award nomination in 1988 for Best Dramatic Presentation. She is survived by her husband, Oscar-winning visual effects cinematographer Dennis Skotak.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||12/03/2019|
Rene Auberjonois has died.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||12/08/2019|
Add to the list Robert Walker Jr who died several days ago.
Charlie X don't surf.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||12/08/2019|
Marina’s husband died as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||12/09/2019|
Star Trek curse?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||12/09/2019|
R184 Very sad about Rene. Apparently he was diagnosed with metastatic lung cancer this pasts summer.
R186 Marina's husband's death is surprising but I'm wondering if it was somewhat expected. The reaction of Marina's co-stars seem to suggest he may have been unwell.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||12/09/2019|
Wonderful tribute to Rene from Nana Visitor was published in Variety yesterday. It's interesting to see that Rene was friends with a lot of Star Trek alumni not just the DS9 cast. Kate Mulgrew, Brent Spiner, Jonathan Frakes, Gates McFadden, Shatner (they worked together on Boston Legal), and George Takei have all talked about their personal friendships with him.
As for Marina's husband, it appears this was not an expected death. Apparently he and his band performed that night, he came home and tragically died in his sleep. His band, Steely Jam, had tour dates set up for all of December.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||12/10/2019|
My mother has been a Trekkie since before I was born. She managed to get me into comic books, nature, animals, Meryl Streep and Jessica Lange. My love of acting, film and the creative arts comes largely from her (followed by my father, a big film buff). She never could manage to get me into Star Trek. Sure, I’ve enjoyed more than my fair share of classic Star Trek episodes (the two-part “The Menagerie” instantly comes to mind), I can sit through the vintage films in a pleasant haze and I thoroughly enjoy the new millennium film trilogy, but I’ve never truly felt sucked into the mythos the way I feel like I am watching Star Trek: Discovery. My reasons in quick bites: First, technology for television has finally caught up with this iconic and long-lasting franchise, giving it the breadth and scope of a cinematic film. This helps, for the show’s home is in the grand, vast and epic: space. Second, it has one of the most charismatic, deliciously diverse and fantastically talented casts of any of it’s predecessors. Hell, of any show going now! Sonequa Martin-Green is a revelation of beauty, charisma and sheer talent. She is hands down my favorite lead of any Star Trek project ever. (The “real Trekkies” may hate and/or disagree with me. If it makes you feel better, my mother refuses to “betray” Kathryn Janeway.) Going on and on about why having Martin-Green as the lead is so perfect, so iconic, so important... so necessary is tempting but alas, I won’t bore you with reasons you are already fully aware of, I’m sure. She has an emotionally powerful scene this season whilst deciding whether or not to aide a shipmate and friend desperate to end his suffering that to blew me away. This one is one to watch. She reminds of a young Angela Bassett but dare I say... more beautiful? The rest of the cast is equally sublime. Mary Wiseman, Anthony Rapp., Shazad Latif and Wilson Cruz (Ricky!} bring a comedic and heartwarming melancholy to the proceedings that is both refreshing and nostalgic (for me, recalling the tone and nuances of classic 90’s shows like “My So-Called Life”). Doug Jones does brilliant work under heavy prosthetics as the great, mysterious and intriguing Saru, my favorite behind Spock, of course, of the alien main characters. Michelle Yeoh is a delight and along with Jason Isaacs, Jayne Brook and Anson Mount all bring a sexy, stately, old-school vibe to the proceedings, all being equally and reliably great. I don’t want to get into much else, quite frankly. If you’re a Trekkie and haven’t seen it, IT GOES EVERYWHERE SO CHECK IT OUT NOW! If not, and you haven’t seen anything having to do with Star Trek, I say jump right in. For some context, watch “The Menagerie” two-parter of the original series and maybe check out the recent film trilogy. Or just jump right in. I was the op for the first “Star Trek: Discovery” thread on here. I included “Part 1” in the title but never really kept up with the thread nor did I create any of the subsequent threads. In fact, I’m just catching up with season 2 now (I bought it on blu-ray because I loved the first season and my mom loved this season so much I figured I’d take a gamble). I’ve been so impressed, I felt compelled to post a review because I can’t post in the “Part 4” and couldn’t find another Discovery thread. Besides, I WANT to promote it. Star Trek is finally at home as the television series it once was and was always meant to be: revealing, boundary-breaking and unifying.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||12/10/2019|
Michael Chabon is out as Picard show runner.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||12/10/2019|
Sad now that I think that Patrick Stewart will likely pass away during the making of Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||12/13/2019|
Watched the two new Short Treks just now. So wholesome, they put a big fat grin on my face.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||12/14/2019|
R192 What do you say that? Yes, Patrick Stewart is old, but he seems to be in strong shape. Besides, according to both Stewart and Kurtzman, the plan is Picard will run for three seasons and that's it.
As for Chabon's departure, I'm not sure what to make of it. The fact that he's staying with CBS suggests they're very pleased with him...if there was an issue with him they would have shown him the door. According to Kurtzman the plot for three years worth of Picard has already been drafted so maybe they feel the show will be fine with out him? It's like Kirsten Beyer will become the new showrunner.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||12/14/2019|
"Early 2020" for DISCO return. It probably means the first half of the year.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||12/15/2019|
R195 CBS wants Star Trek to start airing year round on all-access. Season 1 of Picard is set to run from January to April. The latest production update is that Season 3 of Discovery is already beyond the halfway mark...allegedly, filming is progressing a lot faster than seasons 1 and 2 likely due to the lack of turnover in the writers room this year. I suspect Discovery will debut within a month or so after Picard. Picard season 2 is supposedly set to start film in March 2020 which means it could be ready as early as next fall. The Section 31 series is allegedly set to start filming next summer.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||12/15/2019|
Lower Decks will be in there somewhere as well.
I'm hoping they continue with Short Treks if there are any gaps. There hasn't been one I haven't at least liked, and several of them I've loved. The two animated ones, particularly the one with the tardigrade, were super-cute. And I loved that in the other one, Michael's father was wearing the same uniform George Kirk wore at the beginning of Star Trek.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||12/15/2019|
When are they going to make that Star Trek: After Dark show? Hm? I mean, come on...holodecks + long space missions + danger = boomchickawowwow.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||12/15/2019|
R196 Actually, Discovery season 3 is set to wrap filming this week. According to some of the cast's twitters, they are currently filming the season finale. According to ACTRA Toronto (this is the Canadian version of SAG) production for season 3 of Discovery is set for July 8 to December 23. With a 13 episode order, this mean it's a shooting schedule of about 10 working days per episode which is fairly standard for hour long TV shows these days. This means a good chunk of the season is already in post-production.
I'm guessing Season 3 of Discover will debut in late April, a couple of weeks after Picard is completed it's first season. I think Lower Decks will come out in the fall, and then season 2 of Picard will air in January 2021.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||12/15/2019|
Merry Christmas from Captain Picard
|by Anonymous||reply 200||12/16/2019|
Just finished season 2 of Discovery last night...
Martin-Green deserves a fucking Emmy for her work this season. Truly stunning.
I am in love with this iteration of Star Trek. Completely and utterly in love.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||12/16/2019|
Picard has officially been renewed!
|by Anonymous||reply 202||12/16/2019|
Although this was already 'unofficially' confirmed, season 2 of Picard has officially be green lighted by CBS.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||12/16/2019|
Chabon will be the showrunner for the long-awaited series adaptation of his best book, "The Adventures of Kavalier and Clay."
|by Anonymous||reply 204||12/17/2019|
New short Star Trek Picard trailer out. Some interesting stuff in it:
The opening scene has Picard sitting what appears to be the Enterprise-D's ten forward lounge as a planet (Mars?) is under attack.
Picard states he is haunted by his past, which seems to confirm the rumors he's dealing with some serious PTSD
He is now on a search for the truth.
The rest of the trailer mostly contains footage we've already seen.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||12/20/2019|
Picard looks like he's jacking off in that opening clip.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||12/21/2019|
LeVar Burton just posted this picture of the TNG cast and some family members at a holiday party this evening
According to people on twitter from left to right you've got: Levar Burton, Jackson Spiner (Brent's son), Loree McBride (Brent's wife), Stephanie Cozart Burton (LeVar's wife), Michaela Jean Burton (LeVar's daughter) ?? (Michael Dorn's partner?), Michael Dorn, Brent Spiner, Rick Berman, Will Wheaton, Anne Wheaton (Will's wife), Gates McFadden, James McFadden Talbot (Gates' son she was pregnant with during season 4), Elizabeth Berman (Rick's wife), Molly Berman, (Rick's daughter), Genie Francis (Jonathan's Wife) and Jonathan Frakes.
Marina sirtis was in attendance but not pictured.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||12/22/2019|
Different angle which includes Marina.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||12/23/2019|
You can tell Marina is sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||12/23/2019|
posted by Brent
|by Anonymous||reply 210||12/23/2019|
Gates' hair, wig or otherwise, looks great.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||12/23/2019|
R211 it's here real hair....she stopped dying it about a year ago. She looks great but clearly has some work done. Botox, fillers, and eye bags removed
|by Anonymous||reply 212||12/23/2019|
First look at our gay Borg fella.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||12/23/2019|
CBS dropped a couple of new Picard TV spots last night, none are online...yet. However, some stills were posted on Twitter. We get our first real look at the new Starfleet uniforms and combadge, and more shots of Troi and Riker.
It appears that Troi is the one who bring Picard to meet Will. From the look on her face, it seems that maybe Will isn't thrilled to see Picard at first.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||12/30/2019|
R214 I have to wait to see the uniform in HD, but I'm kind of disappointed that they basically reverted to the DS9/VOY uniforms with some modifications. I do, however, like that the new combadges closely resemble the ones we saw in the alternative futures of TNG's "All Good Things," DS9's "The Visitor," and VOY's "Endgame."
|by Anonymous||reply 215||12/30/2019|
new TV trailer is up .... low quality.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||12/30/2019|
CBS has been putting out new Picard promos left, right, and center. Most contain stuff we've already seen, but there has been some new revelations.
1) The woman Data is seen painting in one of the full trailers is Dahj
2) Picard makes reference to "a powerful new enemy " and "tens of thousands have died."
3) Picard is seen having dinner with Troi and Riker saying "I have a new mission now."
4 ) Finally a new commercial talking about loss has the song "Blue Skies" playing in the background - this is the song Data sang at Troi and Riker's wedding.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||01/04/2020|
R217 another teaser trailer:
In this one picard says: "all that silence, I've forgotten how much I loved it." and another scene where he appears to be asking an Admiral, "I'd like you to reinstate me for one mission."
|by Anonymous||reply 218||01/05/2020|
They also released a new trailer for the "Children of Mars" Short Trek that's tied into Picard. It shows two tween girls--one human, one alien--who are mortal enemies until some big emergency happens.
Given the title, and that we've seen Picard have visions of a red planet burning, I guess an attack on Mars was the thing that made him retire?
|by Anonymous||reply 219||01/05/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 220||01/05/2020|
The official Star Trek website has post a list of Star Trek episodes and films you should watch before the first episode of Picard....most are TNG but there is one Voyager episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||01/06/2020|
Interesting that they list almost all the TNG movies. Probably the only time Nemesis and Insurrection have been considered required viewing.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||01/07/2020|
R222 I actually watched all the TNG movies over the holidays for the first time in almost 20 years. Nemesis and Insurrection are far from perfect films, but they're actually better than I remember. Funny, I really enjoyed Insurrection. Yeah it felt like a two-hour episode, but that is part of its charm. It's the only TNG film that is more lighthearted and I guess because we haven't seen these characters together since 2002, I got caught up in the nostalgia of it.
Nemesis' problem rests in its pacing and some script issues. It feels like they needed one more solid draft to get it where it needed to be. The middle of the movie is boring and the film lacks character moments. Why this movie is a failure for me is that this was meant to be the TNG swan song, but it does such a great disservice to all the characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||01/07/2020|
There are parts of Insurrection that I do really like, it's just that most of them don't involve either Picard or Data, which form the bulk of the movie.
I was definitely there for Riker and Troi getting back together.
The best thing about it is the commentary track Marina and Frakes did for the Blu-Ray. Marina had never seen the whole movie because she admitted to falling asleep at the premiere, and spent half of it confused and the other half correctly identifying plot holes. I wish they'd do one for every movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||01/07/2020|
Yeah, the films focused on Data way too much.
Picard, I can understand but Spiner was given way too much influence over the films.
Poor Gates and Burton barely registered in any of the films.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||01/07/2020|
And Burton has the best scene in Insurrection. It's insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||01/07/2020|
I guess that is why I loved DS9 so much. Everyone was given time to shine pretty even keeled. Not just the main cast but the supporting players, too.
Voyager also played heavy with Janeway, the Doc and 7 but the rest of the cast was so unlikable that you didn't mind so much.
Never could get into Enterprise.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||01/07/2020|
Maybe it's revisionist, but rewatching Enterprise here and there, I'm a little kinder to it. I was really surprised by how much I ended up liking T'Pol. Jolene Blalock isn't as good an actress as Jeri Ryan, so it's harder to see past the tits, but one they stopped trying to force her into sexual tension with Archer, she became pretty awesome.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||01/07/2020|
A ton of new interviews by Patrick Stewart today....in his interview with variety he gives some spoilers:
"Picard finds its hero living in near-isolation on a very un-cosmic French vineyard. He is retired and estranged from Starfleet, the interstellar navy to which he devoted most of his life. He’s haunted by a pair of catastrophes, one personal, the other societal — the death of his android colleague Lt. Cmdr. Data and a refugee crisis spawned by the destruction of the planet Romulus. When those two seemingly disparate strands of his life cross, Picard returns to action, this time without the backing of a Starfleet whose moral center has shifted."
|by Anonymous||reply 229||01/08/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 230||01/08/2020|
"Children of Mars" has dropped. It's short (about 7 minutes), almost completely without dialog, and emotionally socks you right in the gut.
I won't say anything else until others get a chance to see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||01/09/2020|
It's also listed as being "Based Upon Star Trek: The Next Generation as Created by Gene Roddenberry." That's new.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||01/09/2020|
Okay so SPOILERS for Children of Mars
I really liked this episode, and it really raises more questions. So the fans were right, Mars is attacked, but the attack is committed by 'rouge synths.' Clearly the attack on Mars is to mirror 9/11. Also interesting note, the new screen says a federation task force is warping to Mars to defend the planet....where the hell were all the ships? This makes me think that the attack occurs after the rescue armada La Forge is building has left for Romulan space.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||01/09/2020|
One thing it really made me desire is some kind of Rogue One or Mandalorian-type show or even (streaming) movie that focuses on civilians instead of Starfleet.
There was a novel about ten years ago called Articles of the Federation that was able the newly-elected president (a crusty grandma-type; basically Space Ann Richards) and her staff during her first year in office. The Trek Wing, if you will. Unfortunately, it wasn't that successful, but the other novel writers really liked the character, and used her as a supporting player in a lot of the subsequent books.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||01/10/2020|
R234 none of the main characters in Picard are active Starfleet officers.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||01/10/2020|
That's not quite what I mean. I'd kind of like a "Lower Decks"-style view of the Federation.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||01/10/2020|
Jeri Ryan gives some major spoilers in this interview.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||01/13/2020|
Great new interview with Marina and Brent....Marina wears her Nemesis wig (which she stole) in her upcoming Picard appearance.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||01/13/2020|
The only thing that could have made me love Marina more was finding out that she was a wig-thief.
She's our spirit animal.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||01/13/2020|
Picard had it's official premiere in LA this evening. Gates McFadden posted this picture a few minutes ago. Gates is the only TNG cast member who (allegedly) isn't appearing in season one to attend. LeVar Burton did attend Patrick Stewart's Hollywood Star of Fame ceremony a few hours earlier, but didn't attend the premiere. This is creating whispers that maybe Beverly actually does appear in season one.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||01/13/2020|
Apparently, there are two other live action shows that are being worked on, but aren't announced yet.
I'm assuming one is the Pike series.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||01/14/2020|
Gates McFadden has confirmed via Twitter that does NOT make an appearance in season one of Picard. It's likely, however, that we'll Dr. Crusher at some point down the road. Stewart has made it clear a few times now, that he hopes to have all the TNG regulars appear before the show ends. I say save Dr. Crusher for the end, so the show can end with her and Picard finally an item.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||01/14/2020|
First full clip from Picard has been posted by CBS! Picard speaks [terrible] French.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||01/16/2020|
Interesting list of Star Trek episodes and movies to watch before Picard. This list covers all the series except Enterprise and Discovery.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||01/16/2020|
Per Michelle Paradise's Twitter, Disco S3 has wrapped.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||01/17/2020|
R244, meet R221.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||01/22/2020|
Whoopi Goldberg will reprise her role as Guinan in Season 2 of Picard :)
|by Anonymous||reply 247||01/22/2020|
The reviews for Picard are overwhelmingly positive so far.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||01/23/2020|
I saw the first episode tonight: it was really strange.
Brent Spiner looks great for seventy (if a little puffy and saggy) as Data (in two dream sequences), but Patrick Stewart looks every one of his seventy-nine years.
The depiction of Earth in this episode was so strange. There are still streets in major cities, and there's a kind of black Barbara Walters-like celebrity journalist who interviews Picard on what looks to be a CNN-like holographic news channel. Picard's farm is all done up in 20th century furniture, though no one ever explains why.
There's a hard-to-watch scene where what looks to be Data's daughter (a new character) races with Picard up a staircase to the top of a building, and he gasps and seizes up with pain from the exertion. They're not hiding his age, which I guess makes sense.
A trailer for the rest of the season shows Picard meeting up with Seven of Nine, and a fat(ter) and grey Riker and a fat Troi.
We discover after the supernova of Romulus's sun 20 years ago, Picard tried to help all 900 million surviving Romulans be re-settled, but there was some sort of disaster at the Starfleet shipyards on Mars caused by "synthetics' (androids) that killed thousands of people, and led Starfleet to outlaw all synthetics/androids in the Federation, which led the Federation in turn (for some reason) to abandon the Romulan resettlement. We find at the end of the episode the Romulans have a Resettlement Zone instead in an abandoned and damaged Borg cube. The Romulans still have pointed ears and angled eyebrows, but they seem to have lost their forehead ridges, and they don't wear silver clothes or have their hair styled in angular haircuts anymore--they were all played by British actors, so they now have inexplicable posh English accents and have messy tousled hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||01/23/2020|
Just watched the first episode of Picard AND LOVED IT! Such a vast improvement over Discovery.
R249 there is a podcast on Deadline that features an interview with Patrick Stewart and the show's producers. Spiner was digitally de-aged to appear closer to how he looked in Nemesis. As for Patrick Stewart, he purposely wanted to appear old (so he wears very little makeup) because he wanted to stress the passage of time. They wanted to do something very rarely done in Hollywood, tell a story of a man in the final chapter of his life.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||01/25/2020|
Picard scored major ratings in Canada. It was estimated that 1.1 million viewers watched the show during it's airing on CTV Sci-fi Channel (Canada is the only market where new Star Trek shows run on TV rather than just streaming). The show was one of the most watched hours of TV on Thursday night. Canada generally has low viewership numbers due to it's small population. The most watched shows in Canada typically only get a viewership of between 800K and 1.2 million viewers. Schitt's Creek typically gets about 600K viewers an episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||01/25/2020|
[quote]There are still streets in major cities
Why wouldn't there be?
|by Anonymous||reply 252||01/25/2020|
The first episode was excellent - I'm very excited for the series, particularly since they have it all planned out as a 3-year arc. That means they won't be doing a Lost (make-it-up-as-you-go).
|by Anonymous||reply 253||01/26/2020|
Episode 2 spoilers:
Picard has a defect in his parietal lobe which will eventually prove to be fatal (this harkens back to All Good Things where Picard had Irumodic Syndrome in the future).
There are direct references to Riker, Worf and La Forge (meaning he survived the Mars attack). There is also an indirect reference to Dr. Crusher when speaking about his diagnosis.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||01/30/2020|
Good review here that also lists a somewhat big continuity error. Loved the scene with Picard and the Admiral
|by Anonymous||reply 255||01/30/2020|
So are Narek and the disguised Lieutenant really ST2009's Nero's siblings?
I can't tell the Vulcan females apart from the Romulan ones. Was the Commodore a Vulcan or Romulan.
At least on TNG the female Romulans has the foreheads like the males so you could differentiate them from the Vulcans.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||01/31/2020|
[quote]Was the Commodore a Vulcan or Romulan.
She' pretty clearly a Tal Shiar mole.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||01/31/2020|
I think Commodore appears to be a Vulcan...the female Romulan spy called her one of their allies.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||01/31/2020|
This is the first time Trek has acknowledged a Commodore since TOS, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 259||01/31/2020|
R259 It is the first on screen reference to Commodore since TOS. However, in a few episodes of TNG and DS9, the rank of Commodore was seen on screen displays in various episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||01/31/2020|
The Commodore would. almost have to be Vulcan. It would make little sense for a Romulan to have risen to that rank since they were still mortal enemies of the Federation at the time their sun went supernova.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||02/02/2020|
She was referred to as Romulan on the after-show.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||02/03/2020|
Random: I just watched an interview with Anson Mount talking about playing Captain Pike, and does he not ping for some of you? I know he recently got married to his long-time girlfriend, but I feel like he's not entirely straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||02/04/2020|
She's a Vulcan. Confirmed tonight.
I LOVE Laris....such a badass!!!
You just know she and Zhaban have wild, loud Romulan sex and Picard has to bang on the wall to quiet them down!
|by Anonymous||reply 264||02/06/2020|
Picard did not mention Zhat Vash by name when speaking with Admiral Clancy, yet Commodore Oh said that very thing to Lt. Rizzo.
I think the Commodore is actually a double agent who successfully infiltrated Zhat Vash but whose loyalty is still with the Federation...
|by Anonymous||reply 265||02/06/2020|
The thing is that this show is playing it so well that R265 may be right about Oh!
|by Anonymous||reply 266||02/06/2020|
R263 Well, his wife is Asian and he's a really doting "dog dad". On the other hand, he's really into straight guy shit like the Civil War and power washing his house. So I have no idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||02/06/2020|
I've never really paid attention to Michelle Hurd before but fuck if her acting wasn't phenomenal in this new episode.
Really held her own with Stewart.
I'm feeling more for/from her than any of the supporting cast of TNG for the first few seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||02/06/2020|
I will have you EJECTED into SPACE R268!
|by Anonymous||reply 269||02/06/2020|
Wrong thread, R267.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||02/06/2020|
R270 how is this the wrong thread? This is a Star Trek Thread R267 talking about a Star Trek actor. I think Mount is one of those "straight, but get him drunk enough" kind of sexually fluid artist.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||02/06/2020|
I have to agree with this review. I think this episode was good, but there are moments (Mostly the Borg stuff) that I kind of found boring.
Also this review points out something about Commodore Oh. Vulcans have inner eyelids so sunglasses are redundant. I think she is a Romulan.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||02/06/2020|
My mistake, R267.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||02/07/2020|
Did anyone feel like Rios was in some kind of relationship with the holograms that were set to look like him?
|by Anonymous||reply 274||02/07/2020|
R274 Would sex with a hologram that's modeled after your own physical appearance be considered a form of masturbation? I don't think his relationship with the holograms is sexual. I think they show his isolation and that he has had no connect with flesh and blood beings since the events that pushed him out of Starfleet. Based on some clips we say in the comic con trailers, he and Dr. Jurati do get it on at some point.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||02/07/2020|
I find it strangely disconcerting that many bigger Trek fan reviewers like Picard, but the "institutional" reviewers, like IGN, are giving it fairly low reviews in the 6-score range for aired episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||02/07/2020|
R276 That's because most "institutional" reviewers are not the show's target audience. This doesn't apply just to Picard or Star Trek, but this happens all the time. The fan reaction seems to be very positive, while critical reaction is mixed.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||02/07/2020|
It's definitely at a more deliberate pace than other Trek shows (a friend complained "Nothing happens!") and it's pretty talky so far, but I assume that will change a bit now that all the chess pieces are in place.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||02/07/2020|
[quote]That's because most "institutional" reviewers are not the show's target audience. This doesn't apply just to Picard or Star Trek, but this happens all the time. The fan reaction seems to be very positive, while critical reaction is mixed.
I'm not sure who their target audience would be if NOT IGN - a site devoted to the comic con crowd and fanboys of genre fiction, movies, and comics.
IGN gave The Last Jedi a rave review calling it a tour de force and giving it a 9.7 - when the movie is clearly flawed from a plotting, pacing, story, and character development perspective.
It seems that the institutional reviewers like IGN (hollywood reporter, variety, et al.) have jumped onto to the diversity/woke bandwagon and base their reviews on that as opposed to more objective standards such as Siskel and Ebert might have used, such as plot, pacing, character development, etc.
Don't get me wrong - Picard is not a 10. It's an 8.0-8.5, 7.5 if you want to start dinging it for too much exposition and pacing beginning to drag.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||02/07/2020|
Pandora Boxx outed herself as a Trekkie by squeeing over Picard on Twitter.
Alaska has cosplayed as Troi before.
Who knew there were so much crossover between Star Trek and Drag Race.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||02/07/2020|
This isn’t official, you BITCH!
|by Anonymous||reply 281||02/07/2020|
A few things:
While I'm really liking Picard, I felt the latest episode dragged. However, the first three episodes of this season were actually written as two but expanded to three after producers felt there was too much ground to cover. I think that was a mistake.
In other news, Rebecca Romijn has a new interview out and she briefly talks about Star Trek stating "she can't talk about it." It's sounding more and more certain that a Pike series is effectively in the bag. I'm assuming Anson Mount, Romijn, and Ethan Peck have contracts in place and have NDAs in place until an official announcement is made.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||02/07/2020|
So the first Picard tie-in novel is out in most bookstores (though it's official release date is not until this Tues. Feb 11). The novel (The Last Best Hope) is considered canon like the Countdown comics, unless the show's writer's decide to change some events. Overall, the novel is kind of 'meh' but it does give us more background on Raffi and her relationships with Picard. It's very much a mentor-student thing. There are some interesting spoliers about some of the legacy TNG characters
SPOILERS: Worf is promoted to Captain of the Enterprise. He is not well liked by Admiral Clancy and there is a suggestion he may be sacked. The Enterprise is ordered not to take part in the Romulan rescue mission.
Beverly has remained CMO of the Enterprise-E (so the cut scenes from Nemesis where it states she is leaving for Starfleet medical were ignored). She is the first person Picard tells (via subspace) of his promotion to Admiral and his new mission. There is a moment when Picard wants to ask her to join him and Beverly seems to be expecting it, but he chickens out and she sighs suggestion frustration. There is a definite subtext to this scene in which Beverly seems hurt that he didn't ask her and while she congratulates him .... you get the sense this was their last conversation. Picard tells her "thank you for everything.
Troi and Riker are on the Titan, and LaForge is being reassigned to Mars.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||02/09/2020|
And Nurse Ogawa is still giving hand jobs to eager young ensigns in sick bay.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||02/09/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 285||02/09/2020|
7 of 9 is back bitches..........
|by Anonymous||reply 286||02/13/2020|
I hate that CBS All Access goes immediately into previews of next week. For those of us who hate spoilers, it's aggravating.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||02/13/2020|
I find the portrayals of the Romulans so far on "Picard" very weird. Why are their hairstyles so different now? All the Romulans we had seen on all the ST series before this had straight dark hair (with the single exceptions of the Romulan commander from "The Enterprise incident" on TOS who had wavy hair, and Sela, who was half-human and had straight blonde hair). Now they have curly hair, kinky hair, light hair... all kinds of hair.
And why are so few of them devious and bitchy? That was always my favorite thing about the Romulans--they were like the gay Star Trek villains, always ready with a waspish quip. Now they all seem pretty uninteresting.
I also don't understand why the new captain figure, Rios, speaks Spanish sometimes and has a ship called La Sirena (The Mermaid) when they all have universal translators. Aren't they all speaking the same language that is translated to us on TV as English?
|by Anonymous||reply 288||02/15/2020|
Not sure we ever saw any "average Joe" Romulans before this series. Perhaps the straight dark hair is a military/senatorial class kind of thing?
|by Anonymous||reply 289||02/16/2020|
[quote] Not sure we ever saw any "average Joe" Romulans before this series.
We did, in the TNG two-parter episodes "Unification I & II," where Picard and Data go undercover on Romulus and meet up with Spock and members of the Romulan Underground. Everyone has the straight dark hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||02/16/2020|
Well then. Let's just surmise that when Romulus went kaboom, the survivors didn't have time to grab their hair products before they escaped.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||02/16/2020|
Any scene thus far with Harry Treadaway’s character is completely pointless and brings all plot development and general tempo of the show to a complete stop. Don’t believe me? Fast forward through any of his scenes and you will miss absolutely nothing. No important revelations, no furthering of plot, nada. This reminds me of season one of Discovery where, just as the plot dares raise its ugly head, we are whisked away to read subtitles for ten minutes between orcs with bedazzled armor trying to pass for Klingons. You could usually fast forward through those scenes without any loss as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||02/17/2020|
If someone years ago had told me told me, "Someday you will see another daughter of Data, and she will be seen romantically frolicking in an abandoned Borg cube with a curly-haired Romulan player-type," I would not only said, "That could never happen," but also, "Why???"
|by Anonymous||reply 293||02/17/2020|
And do we really need Legolas the Dreamy Elf binding his sword to Picard’s quest? Who green lights this sort of writing? Does Chabon have no one to check his creative impulses?
|by Anonymous||reply 294||02/18/2020|
I need that "Legolas the Dreamy Elf" Romulan in me quite deeply R294
|by Anonymous||reply 295||02/19/2020|
So just watched episode 5....I'll try to keep it as spoiler free possible. This episode sets up some serious emotional shit right from the first [gory] opening scene that may be controversial for fans of Voyager. Oh, and Seven is a lesbian now? I have to say.....I'm disappointed. This is a little too bleak for me. It's good television BUT where is the optimism? I understand that the producers (and Stewart) wanted to make this show uniquely separate from TNG, but this doesn't even feel like the same universe anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||02/20/2020|
[quote]It's good television BUT where is the optimism?
The show is about Picard trying to bring it back.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||02/20/2020|
Also, WOW did Seven's former scissor sister look like a young Marina.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||02/20/2020|
The show has too many Star Wars elements for my taste. Freehold and it's bar, for instance.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||02/20/2020|
I don't mind that the killed Icheb off (also glad they didn't bring back the original actor given all the different issues and allegations surrounding him) but I felt that scene was a step too far. I understand why they decided to be so graphic. The brutal nature of the scene underscores how horrific Icheb's death was and why it basically destroyed Seven's idealism, but they went a step too far. There was no need to graphically show his eye being ripped out.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||02/21/2020|
[quote]the original actor given all the different issues and allegations surrounding him)
Fill us in.
I LOVE that while Rios disguied himself as a pimp, Picard chose to beam down as Madame X. All he was missing was his antique typewriter.
Agnes is a murderess! Was that original actor who played Maddox?
|by Anonymous||reply 301||02/21/2020|
I still stand by what I said earlier that, aside from Stewart, Michelle Hurd is acting the fuck out of this show.
She is really elevating this show.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||02/21/2020|
R301 Manu Intiraymi, who played Icheb on Voyager, was not asked back [allegedly] for a number of reasons!
1) When Anthony Rapp (Paul Stamets on DISCO) went public with his allegations against Kevin Spacey, Intiraymi went on a Twitter tirade against Rapp and basically stated that what Spacey did to the 14 year old Rapp was "acceptable at the time" and that the allegations against Spacey were just "liberal pussy bullshit." Given that the entire Trek production team has been vocal in their support for Rapp, this alone probably killed any chance he had of returning.
2) On top of these tweets, he has also posted a number of misogynist and sexist things about women, and has sent very sexually suggestive stuff to Jeri Ryan.
3) Some large convention organizers have allegedly banned him as there are allegations of him hitting on underage female fans. Several fans have posted about their experiences on reddit.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||02/21/2020|
So much for my hoping at he and Keegan DeLancie boned.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||02/21/2020|
That Voyager crew had some real nutcase crew members.
Manu, Lien, Beltran...Dawson is now a fundie freak.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||02/22/2020|
[quote]Was that original actor who played Maddox?
No. Original was Brian Brophy in the TNG episode.
That was John Ales in Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||02/22/2020|
R305 I don't think Beltran was a nutcase, rather, he was vocal in his criticism of the show. Beltran, like many of the cast on Voyager, got fed up with direction of the show and didn't hold back.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||02/22/2020|
How fucking ridiculous that an EMH can be deactivated as it is witnessing a murder in progress.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||02/22/2020|
R308 I agree, that was stupid.
R307 Yes, Beltran and most of the supporting cast of Voyager were unhappy during the later seasons. Beltran wanted off the show by the end of season five but Paramount would not release him from his contract. I think he started lashing out in the press in the hopes he'd get fired. Also Beltran and Mulgrew were not on good terms for the last year or two of the show. One reason was that he was pro-Jeri Ryan, and second it has long been rumored (Marina Sirtis has kind of confirmed this) that Mulgrew and Beltran were fucking during the early years of the show and it ended badly.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||02/22/2020|
I thought Beltran was gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||02/22/2020|
R310 After Voyager ended, he married (a woman) with whom he has a daughter and moved to Germany.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||02/23/2020|
[quote]After Voyager ended, he married (a woman) with whom he has a daughter and moved to Germany.
It always strikes me that being on Trek in the main cast is a somewhat double-edged sword.
On the one hand, few people were recognizable actors before taking on the roles. But, few of them have any sort of career after it's over.
I can only think of a few who I'd consider consistently "working actors" after their show ended - Patrick Stewart (of course), Kate Mulgrew, then a big drop to Colm Meaney, Alexander Siddig
|by Anonymous||reply 312||02/23/2020|
[quote]I can only think of a few who I'd consider consistently "working actors" after their show ended - Patrick Stewart (of course), Kate Mulgrew, then a big drop to Colm Meaney, Alexander Siddig
|by Anonymous||reply 313||02/23/2020|
René Auberjonois worked more than all of the above.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||02/23/2020|
Picard in a beret reminded me of this scene from “Jeffrey.”
|by Anonymous||reply 315||02/23/2020|
R312 Yes, Patrick Stewart and Kate Mulgrew have probably had the most mainstream success following Trek. Colm Meany might not be high profile, but he is always working. The same can be said of Scott Bakula, Robert Picardo, Alexander Siddig, Armin Shimmerman, and the late Rene Auberjonois. Though those actors (maybe with the exception of Siddig) were all established character actors before Trek and just continued on. Jeri Ryan has worked constantly too.
Others, like Nana Visitor, Gates McFadden, Linda Park, and, to a certain extend, Brent Spiner, mostly returned to the theater. Nana had a successful run on Broadway in Chicago and Gates was the Artistic Director of a Theater in LA for a number of years. Jonathan Frakes, Roxanne Dawson, and Robert Duncan McNiell became full-time directors.
Star Trek does mean typecasting for a lot of actors, BUT, it's also a bit likely winning the lottery because they can literally make a living just doing conventions. There are actors like Marina Sirtis and Garrett Wang who earn most of their income making appearances at are really good at it. There are others who do it begrudgingly.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||02/23/2020|
Just watched episode six....not what I was expected (in a good way). I thought it was going to be more of a rip roaring adventure episode, and it was strongly character based. The scenes between Hugh and Picard were surprisingly emotional and just fantastic. Also, I'm curious to know what's going to happen to Hugh and Elnor. Earlier this year, Jonathan Del Arco seemed to drop hints that there might be a romantic twist between these two characters...and now that they are stuck together in the Queen's chamber I wonder.
Great episode and so excited for next week.
PS in this week's episode of the Ready Room, Jeri Ryan confirms 7 will be back.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||02/27/2020|
That was perhaps my favorite episode those far. I never really did feel like they addressed Picard's trauma over being assimilated well, but the scenes with Hugh and Picard, added to the other with Seven, have been outstanding.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||02/27/2020|
Did anyone notice Juratti’s tic? Could that be foreshadowing...perhaps, Lore got wind of what Bruce Maddox had accomplished and has made his own “children?”
|by Anonymous||reply 319||02/28/2020|
Anyone else following Michael Chabon's Q&As on IG? They are fantastic, funny, and informative. Oh, and he confirmed that Seven was in a sexual relationship with the Troi lookalike whose name I just forgot.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||02/28/2020|
Apparently, Amazon accidentally posted episode 7 in Japan and they didn't get it taken down quickly enough to prevent people from watching the whole thing.
So, if you're inclined to post spoilers, Imma replicate me a grease fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||02/28/2020|
When Picard is looking at the image of himself as a younger Locutus, he raises his hand to his face. Isn’t he rubbing the wrong side? Now it’s not the reflection Picard doing this, so the left right reversal of a mirror image does not apply. Instead, the camera is behind him looking over his shoulder so that he—and we-are foreground while the other images are background. Is this a continuity error?
|by Anonymous||reply 322||02/28/2020|
Hugh said on the latest episode that the Borg remain the most hated species in the galaxy, "only now our queen is Romulan." What did that mean? is it just that the Romulans in general are running the Artifact, or is there an actual Romulan woman (Sela??) acting as queen for the Romulan Free State?
|by Anonymous||reply 323||02/28/2020|
Good question, R323. It obviously wasn't just a throwaway line.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||02/28/2020|
I took the line to mean that a Romulan was in charge of the cube, but I would be totally excited if Sela reappeared as the Borg Queen. Interesting to think that Jurati could be another synth. I thought that perhaps it was the Commodore Oh had mucked around in her mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||02/29/2020|
Just say the trailer for next week's episode (which will feature Troi and Riker). Anyone else think that Hugh is going to be the next legacy character offed?
|by Anonymous||reply 326||02/29/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 327||02/29/2020|
I'm pretty sure Elnor is not dead, r327.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||02/29/2020|
6 episodes in and I'm still waiting to love the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||03/01/2020|
R329 I'm enjoying it, but I'm not loving it. I honestly think that some of the praise is being driven by pure nostalgia. Fans, myself included, are so happy to see Picard and the 24th century back on TV, that it blinds us to the show's problem. I understand that each iteration of Trek should expand the franchise in the same ways that TNG made its own mark from TOS, and DS9 from TNG (VOY/ENT were watered-down versions of TNG and one of the reasons they were not as successful), but Picard feels 'off.' It feels too contemporary if that makes sense. TNG/DS9/VOY all had very stylistic approaches to the writing that kept the shows from feeling 'modern.' The way characters talked, dressed, and interacted was markedly different from the present. Picard feels like it's shot and written in 2020. I think that in the long run, Picard will have damaged the legacy of TNG rather than built upon it. I'm speaking as some who actually loved the second season of Discovery and am looking forward to the third. One of the trademarks of Star Trek is being a future we'd want to live in, I don't get that from Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||03/01/2020|
In other Picard news, Melinda Snodgrass who wrote the TNG episode "Measure of a Man" which introduced the character of Bruce Maddox, may be taking legal action against CBS. Turns on they didn't pay her royalties for using a character she created. Under WGA guidelines, guest writers (which Snodgrass was at the time) have to be paid each time a character they created appears in subsequent episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||03/01/2020|
Oops. At least he died quickly.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||03/01/2020|
So, for those of you who don't know, episode 7 was accidentally released on Japan's Amazon Prime on Friday. It was quickly taken down, but copies of the episode can be found online......without spoiling....I cave and found it. I am not happy for a number of reasons, and I can't wait to discuss it. To me, it now feels like the writers are undoing the legacy of TNG. I think fans are going to be pissed.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||03/01/2020|
How is Troi, R333?
|by Anonymous||reply 334||03/01/2020|
R333 HD did Marina no favors but Deanna's scenes are actually the best of the episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||03/01/2020|
Just saw Marina in person yesterday. She looks to have dropped quite a bit of weight since I last saw.
Remember...she's in her 60s and Greek but I find her to be quite attractive for, again, a woman in her 60s and Greek.
She was pleasant and funny as always.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||03/01/2020|
R336 Marina's husband died unexpectedly in early December which probably explains the weight loss. But I am glad to see she is out and about doing conventions. I know she is on the Star Trek cruise this week along with Gates and Brent (and a ton of other Trek actors).
|by Anonymous||reply 337||03/02/2020|
Happy Birthday to Ethan Peck!
|by Anonymous||reply 338||03/02/2020|
Day-um! Spock's got a nice little plump ass on him.
|by Anonymous||reply 339||03/02/2020|
Agreed, R338. I wonder if he ever uses it in the ancient Vulcan face meld ritual?
|by Anonymous||reply 340||03/02/2020|
Ethan Peck was the best thing about season two of Discovery! Not only is he ridiculously sexy, he was also fantastic in the role. I am also thrilled to at how he's embraced playing Spock and being a part of the fandom. Sadly for us, Peck is straight! What a waste of an amazing bubble butt!
|by Anonymous||reply 341||03/02/2020|
R333 don't tell me they kill Riker, Troi or Hugh off!
|by Anonymous||reply 342||03/02/2020|
Major Spoilers for Episode 7! DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE EPISODE!
I loved the Picard/Riker/Troi story...it was fantastic to see them together. Riker mention that he's part of Starfleet's Reserve Core and that he's going to work on getting Picard Starfleet assistance seems to be hinting we're either going to see Riker or another TNG main (Worf I bet) before they end of the season.
Okay...Hugh! I knew this was coming the moment it was announced he'd be on the show. I hope that there is a twist and this isn't the last of him.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||03/05/2020|
R343 Do you think Hugh is actually dead or is there a twist coming?
In the trailer for episode 8, there is a shot if XBs hovering around and working on what appears to be a body (Hugh?)
|by Anonymous||reply 344||03/05/2020|
The parts--even the sad ones--with the trio, were like being hugged.
|by Anonymous||reply 345||03/05/2020|
Well said, R345.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||03/05/2020|
The new episode gave me the feels big time. I thought Marina was fucking brilliant in this episode. Ironically, probably the best Troi material ever written.
Sadly, Hugh's death was terribly handled and seemed to serve no real purpose to the story. It's clear his character was simply brought back to get Picard on the cube and then there was no need for him. Having just watched the trailer for next week, I am very worried about 7 of 9! The clip right at the ends makes it appear like she's merging with the ship e.g. becoming a Borg Queen.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||03/05/2020|
There were two closeups where nothing but love beams shone out of Elnor’s eyes while staring into Hugh’s. That is such a shame as a romance between the two would’ve been amazing.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||03/06/2020|
[quote] Ironically, probably the best Troi material ever written.
What? How DARE you!
I will have you EJECTED into SPACE!
|by Anonymous||reply 349||03/06/2020|
There doesn't appear to be a twist with Hugh's death. Jonathan Del Arco has been out doing interviews and positing messages. If he appears again, it's likely in flashbacks. A shame, because his death seemed rush and kind of pointless.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||03/06/2020|
Am I the only one who doesn't like the Borg Cube story line? It feels kind of 'tacked on' like they added it on when they released they didn't have enough story to cover 10 episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||03/06/2020|
The Cube might become more interesting next episode when Seven shows up.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||03/07/2020|
R348 Was thinking the same thing. Wasted potential.
|by Anonymous||reply 353||03/07/2020|
I'm sure Evan Evagora is straight, but I can fantasize that he and Jonathan del Arco fucked to be all Method about their performances.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||03/07/2020|
R354 Yes, pretty sure based on IG that Evagora is straight. Interestingly, Jonathan del Arco had hinted at romance between Hugh/Elnor but may he just wanted to get into Evan's pants.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||03/07/2020|
R355 Maybe there were some cut scenes that may have eluded more to it
|by Anonymous||reply 356||03/07/2020|
I'm enjoying the show, but I can't wait for the cultural pendulum to swing back to where we can have utopian Star Trek again.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||03/07/2020|
Interesting interview with Michael Chabon! One thing that will interest fans:
"He and his writing staff have discussed a wish list of characters and elements from the “Trek” of old they’d like to see again, and apparently have come up with stories for where each of the legacy characters from “Next Gen” would be in the year “Picard” is set, 2399."
I'd love to know (and hope we find out) what Geordi, Worf and Beverly are up to now.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||03/08/2020|
I wonder if Jonathan Del Arco has a thing for Evan Evagora
[quote]Birthday shenanigans with my #elnor @evanxevagora - life post Cube 🌈 🌈🌈@theabbeyweho
|by Anonymous||reply 359||03/08/2020|
Sonequa Martin-Green just announced she's pregnant!
|by Anonymous||reply 360||03/08/2020|
This show has brought back so many emotions for me. It's like having my family back again. I know I sound like a geek but I can't help it.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||03/08/2020|
Seven may not be THE Borg Queen, but she is OUR Borg Queen.
|by Anonymous||reply 362||03/12/2020|
Anyone else follow Michael Chabon's Q&A's on IG? One interesting factoid, Chabon is not a fan of the Janeway character. He says he loves Kate Mulgrew, but that he feels Voyager writers created a very inconsistent character. I agree with him on this. Interestingly, Sisko is his favorite Trek captain.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||03/13/2020|
When Elnor grabbed and hugged Seven, to me, it showed who the character truly was: a little boy playing warrior. He thought he knew all about fighting and adventure and truly became frightened and hopeless in the current situation aboard the Borg cube. I really liked that small moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||03/14/2020|
Chabon also confirmed that the Conclave of Eight was built by the Tkon Empire, a lost civilization from hundreds of thousands of years ago. There was a S1 TNG episode that talked about them, which said they had the power to move stars.
That is a VERY deep pull.
|by Anonymous||reply 365||03/14/2020|
Anyone else notice the "Eject into space" comment?
|by Anonymous||reply 366||03/14/2020|
Watching early VOY episodes during social distancing.
Great googly-moogly, I forgot how fuckable Garrett Wang was the first few seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 367||03/15/2020|
R367 I remember back in the IS HE/SHE? board days that one contributor I used to DM had said that Wang was family and had met him several times....many people pooh-poohed the idea, but Wang has not been married yet..... I was in such lust, especially being from the mid-west and having no opportunity to date Asians!
|by Anonymous||reply 368||03/15/2020|
Garrett Wang is not a fag, and I'm just the dame to prove it.
|by Anonymous||reply 369||03/15/2020|
Um, not much of a convincing argument, R369
|by Anonymous||reply 370||03/15/2020|
Garrett Wang is straight. He is in a LTR with a woman and has adopted her child. He also had a bit of a reputation for being slightly pervy with female fans when he was younger.
Garrett was allegedly almost fired from Voyager during the third season. Apparently, there was growing tension between Garrett and the producers. He was frequently late, didn't know his lines, showed up drunk/hungover from partying the night before, and held up production. He was even suspended for two episodes: "Fair Trade" and "Blood Fever." His lines in those episodes were giving to other characters and even a regular extra on the show (Ensign Lang).
Even before writers came up with the idea of Seven, Garrett was set to be fired. They wrote the attack on Kim in "Scorpion Part 1" as an exit door to either kill him off or have him evolve due to the 8472 DNA (which is what they ended up using on Kes). However, Wang was named one of People's 50 Most Beautiful People and UPN & Paramount refused producers request to release him from his contract. Since they were now bringing in a new character, they had to fire one of the original cast and the axe fell on Jennifer Lien's Kes. Just my opinion, but I actually think Kes was a far more interesting character than Kim or Neelix. For the rest of the series, bad blood continued between Wang and Berman. Berman refused Garrett's request to direct an episode, and Wang claims Berman was the reason Kim never got promoted because he knew it would please Garrett.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||03/17/2020|
Ensign Kim was shit. As was Tom Paris, I never bonded with the characters. They seemed lazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||03/17/2020|
[quote]I never bonded with the characters.
That was the problem with the entire Voyager cast, with the exception of Mulgrew, Picardo, and Ryan. And Nelix was the most annoying regular Trek character ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 373||03/18/2020|
Anyone else disappointed by Picard this week? I feel like the show has built up all these threads and none of them are paying off. The Cube story is the best example of this. Two weeks in a row it has been rushed to the brink if it being pointless. It's like oh yes, Seven is back and then as soon as she shows up her scenes are over.
|by Anonymous||reply 374||03/19/2020|
I actually liked the episode last week because it explained much and had some nice character bits.
Not so much tonight's episode. It still seems really weird to me all the androids have twins (it seems like "I, Mudd"), or in the case of Soji, quadruplets; and I didn't understand why some of them have weird yellow/green eyes and shiny skin like Data, and some don't. (It's like how they haven't explained why some Romulans have old straight black Romulan hair, and yet some have curly hair or blonde hair now.) And I lost track of where Captain Macho Alchoholic and Weed Woman were supposed to be by the end of the episode.
ALSO: How do you kill someone (an android, especially) just by thrusting the wing of a hummingbird brooch through her eye? That would blind you, but it wouldn't kill a human being. It certainly shouldn't "kill" an android.
|by Anonymous||reply 375||03/19/2020|
Agreed, R374. They spent ponderous weeks at the beginning of the show making one or two dull plot point per show, and now they're giving the interesting ones short shrift.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||03/19/2020|
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the show, but I have to agree with R374 & R376! I think the problem rests with the season's overly slow pacing. So much time was spent setting up the story at the front end of the season, that these final episodes are rushed. It's frustrating because for several episodes now, it feels like we're building to a big crescendo, and then nothing happens or things are rushed through. R374 is right, the Borg Cube stuff has been a big let down. Early episodes seemed to suggest something big was going to happen on the Cube (remember the badge that flashed green when Soji touched Ramdha). So, we finally get to the point where Hugh is ready to take back control for the XBs and he his killed within a few moments. Then the following week Seven returns, connects to and activates the cube, only for all the Borg to be ejected and most of the XBs murdered. Then this week the Cube arrives and before it can even fire a shot, it crashes on a planet. It just seems...meh what was the point of this story?
|by Anonymous||reply 377||03/20/2020|
[It just seems...meh what was the point of this series?
|by Anonymous||reply 378||03/21/2020|
R378 Totally! I was excited to see Picard back but truth is, these kind of reboots/reunion type shows never really work because they don't meet expectations. I really don't like the darker tones of the show because, for me anyways, it undoes the legacy of TNG. One of the hallmarks of TNG (and to a slightly lesser extent DS9/VOY) is that this is a future you want to live in. Humanity not only survives, but it thrives. We've gotten past our issues and everyone is equal. There was also a timeless feel to 90s era Trek that Picard lacks. Picard feels too contemporary, if that makes any sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||03/21/2020|
[quote] Picard feels too contemporary, if that makes any sense.
The gratuitous profanity is part of that.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||03/21/2020|
How else are they going to justify it not being on network TV R380?
|by Anonymous||reply 381||03/21/2020|
It feels contemporary because no one involved in the show has any allegiance to or understanding of the Picard character or Roddenberry's vision for Trek generally. It's just a standard trash SF show that pays extra for Patrick Stewart (who was lobbying for Picard to be an action hero from day 1 of ST:NG). Yuck.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||03/21/2020|
First Contact: John de Lancie AKA Q | Star Trek
|by Anonymous||reply 383||03/25/2020|
Whoa, whoa, whoa, are Raffi and Seven a couple ow?
|by Anonymous||reply 384||03/26/2020|
R384. Yup! Michelle Hurd gives a really great interview with ET Online about how producers came up with the idea of Seven/Raffi. Also looks like Jeri will be a lead next season.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||03/26/2020|
I'm surprisingly into it. They both seem like they're excited to play it.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||03/26/2020|
Dammit, why couldn't they have kept Hugh and given him a boyfriend.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||03/26/2020|
I just binged the first eight episodes. So far:
- MIchelle Hurd was by far the best of the new characters.
- Zhat Vash is silly. The fact that they created not one, but two warrior cast women's mystical groups was idiotic.
- Seven out of the cat suit is still badass and Jeri Ryan should be a regular. Seems like they should have explored their connection through assimilation more. She would have "known" Locutus, just as he would have "known" her.
- The Icheb revenge portion was a bit weak. I'm still not clear about the so-called Fenris Rangers. Why would the Federation allow a lawless region on their border. Are Starfleet and the Federation still recovering 20 years later from the Borg decimations and the Dominion War - in which case the rescue armada makes even less sense.
- Maddox turned out to be anticlimactic. It feels like they wasted THAT McGuffin after wasting so much of the runtime on it.
While I can understand the neckbeard, fanboy dislike, it really strikes me that across TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT and all the movies, there are two types of fans. There are the fans who think The Voyage Home is the best ToS Trek movie and the ones who like Wrath of Khan. Those same fans seem to divide when identifying the best TNG episode - those who like The Inner Light and those who prefer The Best of Both Worlds.
This series seems more geared toward those who think The Inner Light is the better.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||03/27/2020|
[quote]I'm still not clear about the so-called Fenris Rangers. Why would the Federation allow a lawless region on their border
Because it's not their territory. The Fenris Rangers operate in the remains of the Neutral Zone. The Federation can't impose their will on independant planets, unless they wanted to annex them by force.
|by Anonymous||reply 389||03/27/2020|
[quote]Because it's not their territory. The Fenris Rangers operate in the remains of the Neutral Zone. The Federation can't impose their will on independant planets, unless they wanted to annex them by force.
Why would Icheb's Starfleet ship enter that region if they are not going to impose their will on independent planets. While one *might* argue that they were responding to a distress call, why would they be there in the first place to receive a distress call?
The whole thing seemed more like melodrama to provide "motivation" for Seven and seemed a bit weak.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||03/27/2020|
A weird and dissastisfying series. Some good writing, but the overall plot was so confusing, and the characters except Picard and Seven of Nine (and maybe Raffi) were very poorly drawn based on stereotypes: Rios = Han Solo (but completely flattened), Elnor = Legolas, Dr. Jurati = the blonde nervous girl who constantly apologizes on "ST: Discovery," Narissa = every evil bisexual beautiful space princess in every space opera ever.
I do not understand why every planet looked like Northern California and all the characters either seemed like Northern California professionals or Northern California stoner-slackers. it should have been called "Star Trek: Eureka-Arcata."
It made no sense to kill off Picard and then immediately bring him back to life. It was as if they just wanted to give him a death scene with no consequences. It also made no sense to bring back Data in dreams and then just kill him off a second time.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||03/27/2020|
In Picard news, a new article in Newsweek is suggesting that CBS plans on filming season 2 and season 3 (which hasn't technically been confirmed but it likely happening) almost back to back whenever the pandemic lock down is over. Originally production on Season 2 was set to begin in mid-June, but may (likely) be delayed. Also, on the official Picard Podcast, Akiva Goldman confirmed that Patrick Stewart has signed on for three seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||03/27/2020|
Speaking of MacGuffins, It was the super fixit wonder machine that Picard used to make 200 Illusory copies of his ship that made me shake my head.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||03/27/2020|
[quote]It was the super fixit wonder machine that Picard used to make 200 Illusory copies of his ship that made me shake my head.
Yeah, Trek always waves it's hands for magical tech, but this is an actual magic wand.
I also didn't like the female Lore character - the one who looked like Soji.
What I did like is that they wrapped up the the storylines, rather than doing a stupid cliffhanger.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||03/27/2020|
^^^not to mention that they seem to have forgotten that Jurati murdered Maddox.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||03/27/2020|
[quote]Yeah, Trek always waves it's hands for magical tech, but this is an actual magic wand.
It's a sonic screwdriver.
|by Anonymous||reply 396||03/27/2020|
Alison Pill's character should have paid for the devious murder of Maddox, and it irritates me she gets hero credit now. And, she's highly obnoxious in person (see the linked interview)
|by Anonymous||reply 397||03/27/2020|
I hate that Jurati got a complete pass for her devious murder of Maddox. It doesn't help that Alison Pill is highly annoying (see the latest Ready Room). Why couldn't they have killed off her character and kept Hugh?
|by Anonymous||reply 398||03/27/2020|
I admit it that I lost it when Raffi held Elnor as they both sobbed.
More Laris in Season 2, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||03/27/2020|
[quote]More Laris in Season 2, please.
Agreed. Laris was both interesting as a character and well-acted.
Elnor is turning into the Harry Kim of this show, so they really need to do something with him next season.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||03/28/2020|
He honestly strikes me more of the Data. Sweet, inquisitive, naive.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||03/28/2020|
Anyone wanna bet that Anne Droidz is one pissed off Spinerfemme this weekend after Data was killed off (again)?
|by Anonymous||reply 402||03/28/2020|
I think Picard had the best first season of any Star Trek spin-off. That being said, it suffered from bad pacing (particularly in the final three episodes) was a bit too dark, and uneven story lines (e.g. Borg cube/Seven).
I am excited for season two ... whenever that happens.
|by Anonymous||reply 403||03/28/2020|
Michael Chabon gives a deep interview to Queerty, of all places.
Apparently, the woman that Raffi called to get the fake credentials for Picard to get on the Artifact was her ex.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||03/28/2020|
I really don't like the space battles in both Discovery and Picard (and the last Star Trek films). They're CGI orgies, with hundreds or thousands of ships cut at lightning speed to make it impossible to focus on any action. The enveloping orchid scenes in Picard could have been fantastic, but they too created a visual overload. And is it really more imposing to have several hundred cut/paste Romulan ships suddenly filling the skies only to be matched with hundreds more cut/paste Federation ships? Where's the suspense, the dread, the strategy?
I thought it was much more suspenseful when confrontation scenes were with maybe 3 or 4 warbirds versus a couple of Starfleet vessels. You got a sense of menace and power that doesn't come across during Star Wars whiz-bang shoot-em-up style battles.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||03/28/2020|
[quote]I thought it was much more suspenseful when confrontation scenes were with maybe 3 or 4 warbirds versus a couple of Starfleet vessels. You got a sense of menace and power that doesn't come across during Star Wars whiz-bang shoot-em-up style battles.
The Dominion War battles from DS9 often had waves of ships, but the actual battles weren't the fast cut scenes we get now. They had scale because they had a lot of ships, but didn't just look like the same ship copied over and over - even when it obviously WAS the same ship copied over and over.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||03/28/2020|
Except the big final battle at the end of the series that was mostly, if not entirely, recycled footage.
|by Anonymous||reply 407||03/28/2020|
R406 Am I the only one who feels like the computer generated ship FX from DS9 actually looks better than a lot of the ship work on Disco and Pic?
|by Anonymous||reply 408||03/28/2020|
I don't think it necessarily looks better. It has a very particular aesthetic to it that is more a hallmark of Trek visuals for the past 40 years since TNG.
Setting aside the abomination of ship design in Disco (though I really do like Shenzhou, Gargarin, Europa), the difference between Disco/Picard/JJprise and the older movies and shows is both the constant use of lens flares, rapid cuts rather than slow sweeping shots, and a movement toward what many would consider more photo realistic images.
The real comparison would be how the shots the opening battle with the cube in First Contact and the battle with against the Scimitar with the two Valdore class ships and Enterprise look. Personally, I feel like both battles had more a sense of both scale, importance, and visual appeal than the final battle against Control in Disco or the confrontation over the planet with the Romulans in Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 409||03/29/2020|
I like how the ships go in and out of warp now. Almost like a bullet firing as opposed to that weird ship elongates before going into a flash of white light.
|by Anonymous||reply 410||03/29/2020|
The TNG cast had a video conference birthday party for Marina yesterday.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||03/30/2020|
R411 Wonderful! Gates stated on Twitter two or three days ago that she is mildly under the weather and suspects she has COVID-19.
|by Anonymous||reply 412||03/30/2020|
/ Oh god no! She's always been my favorite! 😥
|by Anonymous||reply 413||03/30/2020|
Marina's been isolating ever since she got back from Star Trek: The Cruise. That's over a month now.
With her husband gone, she's all alone, and I feel very sad for her. But she's making the best of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 414||04/02/2020|
CBS is doing to Star Trek what Disney did to Star Wars.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||04/03/2020|
SyFyWire praises Troi.
The writer specifically calls out "Face of the Enemy." He's got to be one of us, right?
He will NOT be EJECTED into SPACE!
|by Anonymous||reply 416||04/03/2020|
They really didn't do her any favors during the early seasons by trying to make her into space barbie in those outfits and camel toe.
Troi in the later seasons like when she was in command after the Enterprise was disabled (Season 5 "Disaster") or when she took the commander's test were better for her.
|by Anonymous||reply 417||04/03/2020|
R414 She looks lovely there, but you can hear the sadness in her voice. She sounds 'shaky' like she's holding back tears. Poor thing!
R416 Fantastic article! I agree, and I think that Marina was the MVP in that episode. Her acting was the best she's ever done during her time with Star Trek. Both Troi and Dr. Crusher were chronically underutilized on TNG and it's shame. Writers like Ronald D. Moore admit that if they could go back in time and change something about TNG it would be giving Troi and Crusher stronger roles on the show. That being said, Sirtis and Gates McFadden did the best the could with the material they were given. I do hope they bring Beverly back and give her a similarly strong story.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||04/03/2020|
I'm glad there was a judicious use of Riker and Troi. It would be crap if it became a bunch of stunt casting with everyone from all across the Trek franchise coming on.
One thing I do hope they resolve is Geordi. He was in command on Utopia Planetia running the effort to build the rescue ships - probably at Picard's request. Did he die during the attack? I'm guessing he didn't because it seems like Picard would have been a bit more upset or felt a bit of guilt if he had sent Geordi to his death. But who knows.
Having Riker and Troi served multiple purposes, including the fact that the synth ban directly resulted in their son's death.
The only other cameo I really want to see is the sovereign class Enterprise E - and not being decomissioned. Where is it and who's in command of the Federation flagship.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||04/04/2020|
I don't remember if it was Zhaban or his doctor friend from the Stargazer, but one of them suggested asking some of the Enterprise crew for help, and specifically mentioned Geordi, so unless there was going to be a Ouija board involved....
|by Anonymous||reply 420||04/04/2020|
Worf is captaining the Enterprise but apparently Starfleet brass is not exactly thrilled with him.
Crusher is still on board as CMO.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||04/04/2020|
[quote]. Writers like Ronald D. Moore admit that if they could go back in time and change something about TNG it would be giving Troi and Crusher stronger roles on the show.
I think they had more than enough airtime, R418. Could have done without the entire Crusher falls in bodice-ripping love with a (not very) Scottish ghost episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||04/15/2020|
Discovery sucks and Picard isn't Trek.
|by Anonymous||reply 423||04/15/2020|
[quote]Discovery sucks and Picard isn't Trek
First Season of Discovery was terrible. Second season improved although I still have issues with the lazy storytelling and magical retconning throwaway lines.
I am as big a trekkie as there is, but still don't get why the neckbeards keep going on about "Picard isn't Trek" idea. Evil Starfleet - actually, Starfleet has done some pretty crappy things since ToS. Not a bright optimistic future - the entire season of Picard was optimistic with Picard following a redemption arc and dealing with his guilt and bad choices.
Part of the problem with Picard is that you have to separate poor story where "Picard is not Trek" would sit from poor storytelling with poor pacing, wooden lines, and manipulative fan service to engender positive fan reactions.
|by Anonymous||reply 424||04/16/2020|
Original - Very close second to the other Treks. I actually feel as though it belongs in a class of it's own since it was the first.
Next Gen - I didn't care for it much until The Best of Both Worlds two parter. From there, I loved it.
DS9 - My favorite ST ever. For those who love it as much as I do, I can't recommend the documentary What We Leave Behind enough.
Voyager - Really enjoyed most of it. To this day it bugs me to think about the excellence that Ronald D. Moore could have brought to this show considering what he did with the Battlestar Galactica remake. Between that and DS9, it would've been major game changers for the ST universe.
Enterprise - HATED IT! The fact that they would kill off Tripp, the most interesting, and hottest, character on the show kind of sums it up.
Discovery, a.k.a. The Adventures of Michael Burnham. - Oh don't get me started on this inconsistent hot mess of a show. This deserves it's own post. It amazes me how the ST apologists defend this show. I saw the first season and the first episode of the second season. Love Anson Mount's interpretation of Capt. Christopher Pike but I let this show go for now. I'll have more to say later.
Picard - I love it far more than Discovery. Granted , they could've had a better story but I felt like I got my Star Trek back. I've grown so tired of the pre-TOS shit. Yes, we're back tn the post TNG/DS9/VOY, and I love it. The episode with Riker and Troi (beautiful performance by Marina Sirtis) was the best ST I've seen in awhile.
Also, Picards's bodyguard/surrogate son Elnor has immediately become one of my favorite ST characters and not just because I have a major hard on for actor Evan Evagora.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||04/16/2020|
What I meant to say was "Original - Very close second TO DS9. I actually feel as though it belongs in a class of it's own since it was the first."
|by Anonymous||reply 426||04/16/2020|
R425 I agree that TOS kind of stands alone. Not only was it the original, but it's also hard to compare a show made in the 60s to more modern stuff. But it's a testament to the show that many of its stories still hold up over fifty years later.
TNG was the Trek show I grew up on and is my sentimental favorite. But honestly, I rarely watch it anymore. Maybe it's just me, but it feels dated and bland now.
DS9 remains my favorite Trek show to date. It features the best-developed characters of the show franchise, and like TOS, was less pristine and more human than TNG and VOY.
VOY is probably the Trek I watch the most simply because it's kind of 'turn your mind' off Trek. You can jump into any season of the show and be able to follow what's going on with no effort. Voyager was a letdown if we're being honest. It had great potential but never lived up to it. Now, that we know a lot of the problems behind the scenes with interference from Paramount and UPN, it's clear the writers were under a ton of pressure to make the show 'more like The Next Generation.'
ENT- still have never watched a full season of the show.
DIS - season one was terrible, but season two was drastically improved, probably the best second season of any Trek spin-off.
PIC - Meh. It was great seeing Patrick Stewart back as Picard, but looking it at from a dispassionate point of view, it was kind of a let down for me. Too dark, too slow, too uninteresting.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||04/16/2020|
Random: Does anyone think they may cancel Picard and/or Discovery if the lockdown continues into 2021? Discovery is filmed in Toronto and Canada is taking this far more seriously than the US. It's likely they will remain in lockdown until at least the summer. The US will open up earlier but California likely isn't going to open right away either. Picard season 2 was set to start filming next month.
|by Anonymous||reply 428||04/16/2020|
There are all sorts of wild rumors running now that they might sell the reunified franchise since Blockbuster is having some financial problems due to the lockdown.
I don't see it happening or cancelling Disco or PIC until after each has had 3 seasons. There has been some analysis done about when Netflix and Amazon cancel having to do with production costs, payments, bonuses, and how many seasons are necessary to drive new viewers.
The short version: economics push shows to 3 or 4 seasons. The economics of streaming shows is fundamentally different from broadcast shows.
However, Disco and PIC are both marquee shows for CBS All Access. They don't really have anything worth crowing about without them. So, while Disco is about to air season 3, I bet it'll get at least 4 seasons before they pull the plug, 5 if this season is well-received.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||04/16/2020|
This is the main issue I've had with Discovery from day one. In terms of writing, characterization, and action set pieces, I did find the first season of the show entertaining at times (repeat, at times) but the technological anachronisms is ANNOYING AS FUCK. What's even more annoying is how some fellow Trekkies sound like apologists and implying that we should get over that little pre-TOS advance tech thing and the non-canon Klingons look. NO! For me, it comes across as the show runners unnecessarily giving the old school Trekkies the finger and insulting our intelligence.
There were two simple solutions to the pre-TOS advance tech issue. One was to set this show in the Abrams ' Kelvin universe since the tech and THE KLINGONS match what we see it that universe. Was there something legally preventing the show runners from doing that? Secondly, they could've set this many years after the events of Voyager. Hell, Voyager went off the air in 2001. Discovery premiered 2018. They could've set it 19 years after Voyager, in the same time period as Picard. The Discovery tech would make much more sense. I just don't get the lack of thinking behind this, in my opinion, very important element of the show.
Another HUGE issue I had with the series is that we FINALLY get a single gender loving couple as regular characters and lo and behold, the show kills off one half of the couple in one of the most brutal way a person can die; and they kept showing that shit over and over again. Also, that was Wilson Cruz, a damn fine actor and long-time gay activist. It was insulting.
Finally, is this Star Trek or the Adventures of Michael Burnham. They spend more time on her then the original spent on Captain Kirk, and that’s staying something. Where’s the ensemble acting we got in TNG, DS9, Voyager, and even Enterprise and Picard for goodness sakes. I’m over the character. Oh, and that speech she gave in the season one finale. The corniest thing I’ve ever seen in a series and again, as far as Star Trek is concern, that’s saying something.
I would like to see someone convince me the second season is better. I will give props for something; one of my queens, Michelle to the motha f’ing Yeoh as Philippa Georgiou, especially the evil mirror universe Empress Georgiou. Bravo!
|by Anonymous||reply 430||04/16/2020|
I recommend Critical Drinkers' assessment of the flaws with ST:P.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||04/16/2020|
R430 Burnham isn't a Mary Sue in the truest since, but she's certainly the pet character and there is plenty of masturbation going on in the writers' room.
|by Anonymous||reply 432||04/16/2020|
R424 Part of the failure was that they didn't talk about the Dominion War and use the aftermath of that as a way of explaining basically why the Federation idealism might be a bit tarnished. But otherwise, I'm sorry. The whole tone of things is much darker, much more grim. Murders all over the place, gratuitous violence, etc. ST:P has more of a Star Wars flavor that Trek, that's just a fact.
|by Anonymous||reply 433||04/16/2020|
The best part of Discovery is far and away Michele Yeoh making everyone in the cast her bitch. Not sure why the writers have such a hard-on for Burnham since they've made her such a sad-sack character.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||04/16/2020|
[quote]There were two simple solutions to the pre-TOS advance tech issue. One was to set this show in the Abrams ' Kelvin universe since the tech and THE KLINGONS match what we see it that universe. Was there something legally preventing the show runners from doing that?
Yes, actually apparently there is a legal reason for a lot of the visual differences.
Apparently, when CBS and Paramount split, the rights to Trek were also split. The subsequent productions were contracted under different licenses and required that images had to be distinctly different from each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 435||04/16/2020|
r435, thansk for the explanation. Unfortunately, if Klingons were to show up in Picard, like Worf for example, I guess they'll look like the ones in Discovery. Damn!
|by Anonymous||reply 436||04/16/2020|
R430 spoiler Wilson Cruz's character is resurrected in season 2.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||04/16/2020|
[quote][R435], thansk for the explanation. Unfortunately, if Klingons were to show up in Picard, like Worf for example, I guess they'll look like the ones in Discovery. Damn!
That's why I don't get why people get bent out of shape when they "update" stuff like the bridge. Klingons did not look like Worf in ToS until the TMP, yet no one seems to mind that change.
I prefer they update the visuals to what is possible with modern FX. Also, I thought the Klingons in Into Darkness weren't all that bad - bigger budget makeup. Disco Klingons were terrible, no denying it.
|by Anonymous||reply 438||04/16/2020|
[quote]R430: What's even more annoying is how some fellow Trekkies sound like apologists and implying that we should get over that little pre-TOS advance tech thing and the non-canon Klingons look. NO!
|by Anonymous||reply 439||04/17/2020|
[quote][R430]: What's even more annoying is how some fellow Trekkies sound like apologists and implying that we should get over that little pre-TOS advance tech thing and the non-canon Klingons look. NO!
|by Anonymous||reply 440||04/17/2020|
R440 Amusing, but the TOS-era Klingon look WAS canon at the time and has since been explained (albeit rather lamely). Discovery doesn't have the same excuse. If they couldn't do Klingons correctly, they should have just excluded them. and come up with their own material.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||04/17/2020|
I totally agree with r441!
For the record r440, it was clearly confirmed by Worf himself that in the classic DS9 episode Trials and Tribulations that the TOS Klingon look was canon. It's my understanding that in Enterprise, it was explained even further that the TOS Klingon look was due to some genetic accident that only happened to some Klingons. This is confirmed by the appearance of TOS Klingon Kor, played by John Colicos. When he showed up in a DS9 episode, he had the Prime Universe bone head ridges Klingon look.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||04/17/2020|
[quote]For the record [R440], it was clearly confirmed by Worf himself that in the classic DS9 episode Trials and Tribulations that the TOS Klingon look was canon. It's my understanding that in Enterprise, it was explained even further that the TOS Klingon look was due to some genetic accident that only happened to some Klingons. This is confirmed by the appearance of TOS Klingon Kor, played by John Colicos. When he showed up in a DS9 episode, he had the Prime Universe bone head ridges Klingon look.
For the record r442, you do realize that that is the definition of retconning, right?
Obviously, I'm familiar with that explanation. My bottom line is that some soft retconning is fine. After 40 years, you're not going to have perfect internal continuity. There are numerous examples of canon violations incurred by each of the shows before Disco or PIC.
But, it isn't internally logically consistent to say that the "explanation" for the Klingons is fine, but other stuff is a sacred violation of canon. I mean, if that explanation is fine for the Klingons, then the explanation for why we've never heard of an adopted human sister for Spock is less convoluted and should be fine.
But, everyone has his own tolerances for such things.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||04/17/2020|
Echoing what others have said about Discovery., I actually enjoyed all of the other characters besides Michael Burnham - Saru, Tilly, Airiam the cool looking pseudo-cyborg, Captain Georgiou especially the Galactic Empress or whatever her title was, Captain Lorca who I kept waiting to return as the Prime Universe original, Captain Pike and many others.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||04/17/2020|
R443 Again, the better answer would have been to just not use them. They could have even taken exactly what they did produce and just call it something else. It's just cheap as an attempt to connect in with established things.
Ditto for Burnham's Vulcan connection. It couldn't just be with some previously unknown Vulcan family, no. It had to be with Spock's family. Burnham comes across like a cheezy RP character that someone in high school came up with, no doubt giggling with how 'clever' they were. Also never mind that Vulcans are explicitly stronger and smarter than any human, but of course she has to get better scores than even any Vulcan to show how awesome she is. And forget the gender thing - the character would be every bit is overdone as a male.
|by Anonymous||reply 445||04/17/2020|
I don't watch DISCO, since Burnham is Spock's "sister," has any mention been made of Spock's brother, Sybok?
|by Anonymous||reply 446||04/17/2020|
Best Star Trek episodes:
TOS- Mirror, Mirror TNG - Lower Decks DS9 - The Visitor (all time favorite ST episode) Voyager - Timeless Enterprise - N/A Discovery - N/A Picard - Nepenthe
|by Anonymous||reply 447||04/19/2020|
TOS: Balance of Terror TNG: The Inner Light DS9: Duet Enterprise: In a Mirror, Darkly Discovery: The one where they just change to doing a Pike/Enterprise show instead of the shitpile that is "Discovery of How Awesome Burnham is" Picard: Nepenthe (if only because it's actually vaguely Trek-like, instead of the rest of that mess)
|by Anonymous||reply 448||04/19/2020|
ToS: The Enterprise Incident
TNG: Best of Both Worlds (and you all know it)
DS9: In the Pale Moonlight tie.The Visitor
Enterprise: Similitude tie Demons/Terra Prime
Disco: Project Daedalus
|by Anonymous||reply 449||04/19/2020|
TOS: The Doomsday Machine
TNG: The Inner Light
DS9: In the Pale Moonlight (my fav. Star Trek episode ever)/ Far Beyond the Stars Runner-up
Voyager: Year of Hell Part 1
Enterprise: Don't have one
Disco: Too early to pick one but Project Daedalus was great
Picard: Same as Disco but Nepenthe was my fav of the season.
|by Anonymous||reply 450||04/19/2020|
Apropos of nothing, I was just thinking that I adore how much the TNG cast clearly loves one another. The other shows all had actors who formed tight friendships (and even though Avery Brooks was weird and reserved, every single person on DS9 seemed to really respect him), but I can't imagine those people all getting together on a Zoom call for someone's birthday.
It's a light in a dark moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||04/21/2020|
It seems that Geordi is going to be in Season 2 of Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 452||04/22/2020|
R452 Maybe they'll tear his VISOR implant out and rape his skull, in keeping with the general tone of ST:P.
|by Anonymous||reply 453||04/22/2020|
Maybe the big MARY at R453 would be happier watching She-Ra
|by Anonymous||reply 454||04/23/2020|
[quote]Maybe the big MARY at [R453] would be happier watching She-Ra
Dear god, don't suggest that.
The new She-Ra would make r453's head EXPLODE.
|by Anonymous||reply 455||04/23/2020|
I binged all those Star Trek: Short Takes on CBS All Access last night and they were very good. My favorites are Q&A with Spock and Number One and the animated one with the Tardigrade alien.
|by Anonymous||reply 456||04/23/2020|
R452 He didn't say he was going to be, in season two, but confirmed that discussion have taken place between him and producers about his appearing on the show at some point. He did make seem like all the remaining TNG have likely been contacted and will appear. That's assuming we get a season two. Stewart's contract is valid until 2022. If production is shutdown well in 2021 the season will be in jeopardy.
|by Anonymous||reply 457||04/23/2020|
I've enjoyed Star Trek: Picard for the most part but was really annoyed when they referred to taking Big Head Allison Pill to a Starfleet space station that wasn't Deep Space 9. Really bitches!
|by Anonymous||reply 458||04/23/2020|
Perhaps R454 and R455 would enjoy a lovely dumpster fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 459||04/23/2020|
Apparently, Disco S3 is being held up because they can't finish the music. There's no way to get an orchestra together to record while maintaining social distancing.
I think it would be fine to do it digitally, but that would probably give the haters just one more thing to bitch about.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||05/02/2020|
R460 The music is just one element delaying season 3. The season is still in post-production but progressing slowly because the editors, FX team, and directors are working from home which is slowing the process significantly. The scoring process is the last thing done before an episode airs. It's likely the music will have to be done digitally. However, I suspect Jeff Russo is resisting this because the moment he does it, it's likely CBS will want to stick to the digital format because it's cheaper.
|by Anonymous||reply 461||05/02/2020|
Interesting list...although I think "Far Beyond the Stars" is actually. a better choice for DS9 than "The Visitor"
|by Anonymous||reply 462||05/04/2020|
Mount, Romjin, and Peck announce Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||05/15/2020|
Maybe we'll get to see Pike help Spock through pon'farr.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||05/15/2020|
LOVE Anson Mount - I find him so incredibly handsome. I mean, he's no Jeffrey Hunter, but more than a passable alternative.
I hope they do something about Romijn's hair and overall makeup/styling. She looked weirdly plastic and stiff - and it looked like a terrible black wig. The scenes where they did closeups, you could see layers of caked on makeup. Almost made you miss the days of that classic Trek fuzzy focus they used on women.
Scruffy Spock looked better than clean-cut Spock (I have to give it to Quinto's portrayal for now).
|by Anonymous||reply 465||05/15/2020|
Hunter vs. Mount
|by Anonymous||reply 466||05/15/2020|
When they used the clips from "The Cage" when Disco went to Talos IV, it really drove home how strong the resemblance is.
I know Mount was a respected, working actor prior to this, but them being to find someone who not only looks like the original but is also charismatic AF is a one-in-a-million chance.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||05/15/2020|
[quote]I hope they do something about Romijn's hair and overall makeup/styling. She looked weirdly plastic and stiff - and it looked like a terrible black wig
They should consult the wig experts here. I mean we've nailed down the precise moments that Gates and Marina got good ones.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||05/15/2020|
I just hope they tread new ground instead of just spending time doing callbacks to stuff from other shows.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to mess with continuity, but that doesn't mean they can't go to "strange new worlds" and "seek out new life and new civilizations" that we've never seen before.
That said, I wouldn't be outrageously upset if they revisited Garth of Izar's story from before he was committed to the Tantalus penal colony - he could have been a contemporary or even near academy classmate of Pike's. The other story I wouldn't mind if they incorporated into Pike's is Kodos "the Executioner," former governor of the Earth colony of Tarsus IV from Conscience of the King. Kirk was also a witness to the executions, so could be there in a much younger, non-Kelvin timeline incarnation.
I also like the season long story arcs they've been doing.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||05/15/2020|
Please, deliver us from the shithouse that is Discovery.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||05/15/2020|
I second that r470.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||05/15/2020|
I'm super excited for the new Pike series. The suggestion that this series is going to be more episodic rather than one season long story.
In other Star Trek news, there's a growing rumor that Marina Sirtis may be nominated for an Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series for her work on Star Trek: Picard. CBS has put her name up for consideration, and in his podcast Jonathan Del Arco briefly talked about this when Marina did an interview earlier this week.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||05/15/2020|
That is excellent about Marina Sirtis r472. Deanna and Picard have always been my favorite TNG characters. Marina brought me to tears in that Picard episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||05/15/2020|
Also...Jeff Russo the music composer for all the Trek shows has confirmed that scoring for season 3 of Discovery is underway. They are recording the music remotely. Each instrumentalist is recording their parts at their home and then sending it in to the mixer who then pieces it together. Russo said is sound amazing considering and while we might notice slight difference it will still be on par with the first two seasons.
Scoring is the final stage of post-production, so I'm hoping season three will start sometime in the summer.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||05/15/2020|
Anyone found any fanboy videos talking about what a travesty Strange New Worlds is going to be?
[quote]In other Star Trek news, there's a growing rumor that Marina Sirtis may be nominated for an Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series for her work on Star Trek: Picard.
While it's unlikely, I would love it if it happened. She'd only be the second actor to be nominated for the franchise other than Leonard Nimoy. Kate Mulgrew and Scott Bakula have nominated for other things, and Shatner actually won for Boston Legal.
|by Anonymous||reply 475||05/16/2020|
[quote]Anyone found any fanboy videos talking about what a travesty Strange New Worlds is going to be?
At this stage, the biggest sites appear to be onboard.
Both Ketwolski and Trekyards seem on board - they're probably among the more influential. Some of the others like Dave Cullen and Trekspertise don't seem to have released anything yet, but were generally in favor of it when Kurtzman teased it with "we've heard you" comments last year.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||05/16/2020|
I'm sure they'll introduce a person of color soon and it'll be about how horrible it is that Trek is all woke now.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||05/16/2020|
[quote]I'm sure they'll introduce a person of color soon and it'll be about how horrible it is that Trek is all woke now.
|by Anonymous||reply 478||05/16/2020|
R467 Am I wrong to think Ketwolski is cute?
|by Anonymous||reply 479||05/16/2020|
R477 Yes I hope they do add a person of colour and also have LGBT representation.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||05/16/2020|
I mean, they've had tons of gay content on Disco and now Seven is scissoring Raffi on Picard. I figure some kind of content is a given.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||05/16/2020|
[quote][R467] Am I wrong to think Ketwolski is cute?
Since I most recently mentioned Ketwolski...While I don't think he's cute, I can see where someone might. He does seem to have a fun personality (at least when he's "on"), so that can make up for many sins.
As for people of color and representation of gay people, I'm relatively indifferent. I'd rather they get good actors than diverse ones. I do like Hurd's Raffi and Santiago Cabrera's Rios, not because they're diverse, but because they do a good job and they are solid new characters with interesting backstories. I'm meh on Seven and Raffi as a couple.
I'm looking forward to more of Romijn. She really nailed it in the few scenes we've had of her. It seems like Romijn's Number One is a bit butch to me, much more than her Librarians character who was ex-military.
|by Anonymous||reply 482||05/16/2020|
I wonder if they'll use the character from the Short Trek "Ask Not" that Pike recruited to join the crew. I really liked the actress.
I also wonder if people will complain if they don't use all of the characters from "The Cage" even though this will likely be set after it. I mean, of course they will. Just keep Lieutenant Nicola, the hottie communications officer.
|by Anonymous||reply 483||05/16/2020|
Why did the Enterprise-A have phasers in the galley?
|by Anonymous||reply 484||05/24/2020|
R484 Too many food critics.
|by Anonymous||reply 485||05/24/2020|
It's kind of a shame that out of thirteen movies, they only managed to have three good villains.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||05/24/2020|
So, there is a growing campaign to for writers to make Pike bisexual. Some fans are concerned that the new show will feature three white leads. I think a bisexual Pike would be awesome, but you know they're going to make Number One bi. Whenever it comes to showing sexual fluidity on screen, it's always the female characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||05/24/2020|
Landru's peace be upon you this Memorial Day.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||05/25/2020|
[quote]Some fans are concerned that the new show will feature three white leads.
Given the hit-and-miss nature of recent Star Trek, there is a lot more to be concerned about than a show featuring three white leads.
I'd rather they focus on good actors and solid writing than the color of their skin or gender.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||05/25/2020|
Gates has a wig-critique. She is one of use.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||05/25/2020|
R490 LOL! Fun facts: Gates wore wigs until the season six episode "True Q" when she just used her own hair right through to Nemesis. Marina wore a wig in season 1, then hair pieces from season 2 until Generations (the front was hers and the hair in back was a piece). She wore her natural hair in FC and Ins and then wig in Nemesis (which she stole and then wore for her appearance on Picard). Kate Mulgrew wore pieces all through Voyager (Kate's real hair appears in the second season episode "Parturition" and the season 7 two parter "Workforce.") Nana Visitor wore a wig in the final season of Deep Space Nine.
|by Anonymous||reply 491||05/28/2020|
Mr. Plinkett strikes again!
YASSS, KWEEN, SLAY!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 492||05/29/2020|
R487 How about starting a campaign to have Burnham spaced? Oh, that's right, she had the highest score ever at living in a vacuum - never mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||05/29/2020|
And so two years ago, our government signed a treaty with the Dominion. In it the Dominion promised to extend Cardassia's influence throughout the Alpha Quadrant. In exchange, we pledged ourselves to join the war against the Federation and its allies. Cardassians have never been afraid of war, a fact we've proven time and again over these past two years. Seven million of our brave soldiers have given their lives to fulfill our part of the agreement, and what has the Dominion done in return? Nothing. We've gained no new territories. In fact, our influence throughout the quadrant has diminished. And to make matters worse, we are no longer masters in our own home. Travel anywhere in Cardassia and what do you find? Jem'Hadar, Vorta, and now Breen. Instead of the invaders, we have become the invaded. Our allies have conquered us without firing a single shot. Well, no longer. This morning, detachments of the Cardassian First, Third and Ninth Orders attacked the Dominion outpost on Rondac III. This assault marks the first step toward the liberation of our homeland, from the true oppressors of the Alpha Quadrant. I call upon Cardassians everywhere. Resist. Resist today. Resist tomorrow. Resist till the last Dominion soldier has been driven from our soil!
|by Anonymous||reply 494||06/01/2020|
Did Gates just admit she's not a natural red head?!
|by Anonymous||reply 495||06/02/2020|
r494, it's to the credit of the fabulous Deep Space Nine writers that they could make you hate Legate Damar so much yet before the end of the series, have so much admiration for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 496||06/02/2020|
I've thought about that quote a lot over the last three and a half years.
|by Anonymous||reply 497||06/02/2020|
"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
That's from Battlestar Galactica, but given that it was by many of the same people as DS9, it seemed appropriate.
Edward James Olmos tweeted it today.
|by Anonymous||reply 498||06/02/2020|
R494 and that speech right there is why DS9 is the best of the franchise. TOS & TNG may have the pop culture status, but I would argue that DS9's impact on the franchise is its lasting legacy.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||06/02/2020|
Speaking of wigs on Trek, here's something other random stuff about the stuff the female leads of TNG/DS9/VOY had to deal with:
1) Janeway's hair: This is on the topic of wigs again, but during the first few days of shooting, Mulgrew wore her real hair down to her shoulders (you can google pictures of this). The scenes shot like this took place at the LA Convention Center which was used as the Ocampan homeworld. The official story goes that after seeing the dailies, producers thought Kate's hair looked too thin and decided they needed to 'wig her up.' However according to Mulgrew, the problem actually arose because Paramount executives saw the first takes and felt that he wearing her hair down was 'unprofessional' and made her look too young. (Mulgrew was 38 when she filmed Caretaker). So, the hair had to go up. You can see in the pilot, he style and color changes a number of times. In some scenes it's reddish and curly, other scenes it's the bun of steel she wore for most of the first two seasons. Mulgrew states the ponytail was her favourite look. Mulgrew wears her real hair for Year of Hell, producers had it cut short and Mulgrew hated it so by the end of the 4th season onward she wears a hairpiece. Her real hair is on top, and the bob hanging down in the back is a piece and very noticeable on an HD tv.
2) Padded bras: All of the female leads had to wear padded bras. This was partly for 'ratings reasons' and partly because the tight spacesuits were unforgiving and uneven or sagging boobs wouldn't look right. Only two women didn't wear these bras. Kate Mulgrew refused to wear one but lucky for her Paramount agreed because they didn't want her to look too attractive given her position. In fact Mulgrew claims at one a point, there was talk about her having to pin her boobs down. The other actress who didn't wear a padded bra was Nana Visitor. Visitor wore one for the first couple seasons of DS9 but in season 4 she refused to wear it after they made her costume more revealing. Visitor claims that she told them it's the tight suit or the bra but it can't be both. Terry Farrell, on the other hand, claims that a producer on the show was obsessed with her breast size (most people believe that this is a reference to Berman) and he used to go to her bra fittings in the early days of the show. Farrell's boobs also get noticeably bigger after the switch to the FC uniforms.
3) High heels: Most of the woman wore heeled boots on the show. This was done for practical reasons, so they would line up with their male co-stars better during wide shots. Mulgrew wore 4 inch heeled boots (which she hated). Muglrew is about 5'4 but most of the men on the show were around 5'10 to 6 feet. The only actresses who didn't wear heels were Terry Farrell and Gates McFadden. Farrell is 5'9 and McFadden claims to be about 5'7 but she is actually taller. Patrick Stewart is about 5'9 and she is very slightly taller than him.
|by Anonymous||reply 500||06/03/2020|
[quote][R494] and that speech right there is why DS9 is the best of the franchise. TOS & TNG may have the pop culture status, but I would argue that DS9's impact on the franchise is its lasting legacy.
Watch the DS9 documentary. Michael Dorn clearly loves all of his castmates from TNG, but he's also clearly prouder of having been on DS9.
I thought Worf was going to be a terrible addition to DS9. Boy, was I wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||06/03/2020|
r501, I enjoy Worf much better on DS9 than I do on TNG. His love story with Dax was one of the best ST love stories ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 502||06/03/2020|
R502 I just wish Terry hadn't decided to leave - the thing with Ezri was stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 503||06/03/2020|
Worf was my least favorite character on DS9. I found any episode with the Klingons almost insufferable.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||06/03/2020|
R503 Jadzia was my favorite character on the show and I think the final season suffered by bringing in a new lead character so late in the game. Have there ever been a definitive reason why Farrel didn't come back for season 7? No one has really said what actually happened, even the documentary was vague. I know there's been rumors about money and Terry being offered the part on Becker. But Terry has changed her story several times over the years and she was ultimetly fired from Becker, so I'm just wondering if was a money thing or an actress thing e.g. producers didn't like her.
|by Anonymous||reply 505||06/04/2020|
Ezri was a terrible character
|by Anonymous||reply 506||06/04/2020|
I loved Jadzia and her death for me was one of the hardest ST related deaths ever. With that said, I really didn’t mind Ezri or her portrayer Nicole de Boer. Different character type and different Starfleet position.
|by Anonymous||reply 507||06/04/2020|
R505 No, there's never been one consistent story about Farrell's departure. I find that interesting because we know the truth about all Trek departures now, except Terry Farrell's.
Grace Lee Whitney was written out of the show because Roddenberry felt the character wasn't working and Whitney was having problems with drinking. Denise Crosby asked to leave the show. Gates McFadden was fired because she didn't get along with Maurice Herley but then Diana Muldaur didn't work out and Gates was asked back. Will Wheaton also asked to leave. Jennifer Lien was released from her contract to make room for Jeri Ryan.
|by Anonymous||reply 508||06/04/2020|
[quote]Gates McFadden was fired because wouldn't fuck Maurice Herley
|by Anonymous||reply 509||06/04/2020|
R509 Yes that rumor has been around for ages but never confirmed. The official story is that Herley hated McFadden because she call out bad writing, and wanted Crusher's role to be expended. He found her 'demanding' and convinced Gene Roddenberry and Rick Berman to fire her. I've always assumed there was some kind of sexual harassment going on too but McFadden has never confirmed that.
As for Terry Farrell, R505 is right that she has changed her story over the years. Based on what has been said by all parties, it appears there were issues between Farrell and Berman and that's what ultimetly lead to her departure. Allegedly, Berman kept all the show's writers in the dark about what was going on, and it was only confirmed after the finale was written that Farrell would not be back and they had to quickly rewrite it. According to the DS9 Companion Farrell was terribly upset on the final day of shooting. Basically she didn't want to leave.
|by Anonymous||reply 510||06/04/2020|
Terry Farrell's departure from DS9 is so odd because 20 years later, we still don't really know what actually happened. In What We Left Behind, no one seemed to have an answer about what happened. Michael Dorn even said something along the lines of only Terry and Rick know what actually went down.
Terry has said a lot of contradictory things over the years. But my sense is, she was unhappy and tired, and I also think she put up with a lot of shit from Berman. I think she kind of just wanted out. Terry was the lowest paid of the main cast (minus Circoc Lofton who as teenager made less) and the last on the call sheet, which usually meant long days of waiting around to film her lines. The documentary does kind of suggest that Paramount gave her an offer but she either never counter-offered or Paramount simply did not allow her to counter-offer. R510 I think most of this was due to some kind of bad blood between her and Rick. Because she went right over to Becker which was a Paramount produced show. She was later fired after season 3 when she breached her contract and didn't show up to work because of a pay dispute with CBS.
|by Anonymous||reply 511||06/05/2020|
Has one seen the Ryan Edits of the TNG where be puts bloopers into final episodes of TNG
|by Anonymous||reply 512||06/06/2020|
Yikes! Marina is being called out by Mara Wilson (from Mrs Doubtfire and Matilda) for a racist comment she allegedly made about Native Americans at a convention a few years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 513||06/07/2020|
Any tweet today with #StarTrekUnitedGives generates a $1 donation to BLM from CBS. Not some kind of hoax, they're really doing it.
Also, check out the box the special pizza they sent to Marina.
|by Anonymous||reply 514||06/17/2020|
EW dropped some new images of Lower Decks.
And the producer dropped some hints that TNG characters may pop up.
|by Anonymous||reply 515||06/18/2020|
Lovely video from Frakes. He looks quite distinguished.
|by Anonymous||reply 516||06/19/2020|
Gates McFadden says it's very likely she'll appear in Star Trek Picard. In an interview with Trekmovie.com as part of a virtual convention appearance, McFadden stated that while she hasn't signed a contract yet, she all but confirmed that producers have reached out to her.
|by Anonymous||reply 517||06/30/2020|
[quote] I enjoy Worf much better on DS9 than I do on TNG. His love story with Dax was one of the best ST love stories ever.
Yet I can't really see Dax getting horny for the new model Klingons, nor Troi before her.
[quote] Oh, and Seven is a lesbian now? I have to say.....I'm disappointed.
Why disappointed. She IS after all a superior life form.
I was going to post that same video as r512. It's terrific.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||06/30/2020|
The video at R512 was exhausting.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||06/30/2020|
Lower Decks will be releasing on August 6th.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||07/01/2020|
Can Star Trek with the Harlem Globetrotters be far behind ?
|by Anonymous||reply 521||07/01/2020|
They've released their FYC Emmy campaign. They're putting the main cast (Ryan included) as Supporting (Stewart as Lead, of course), Frakes, Spiner and Jonathan Del Actor as Guest Actor, and Marina as Guest Actress.
I know it's never going to happen, but I would be over the moon if Marina snagged a nomination.
|by Anonymous||reply 522||07/11/2020|
R522 Honestly, of course Stewart should be nominated for practically everything he does, but in my opinion, Marina was probably the highlight of the whole season in terms of acting. She nailed it out of the park. It's ironic that it took well over 30 years for Sirtis to actually be given material worthy of her abilities. Sirtis (and I think Gates McFadden too) were often criticized for not being the best performer on the show, but I just think they were both given terrible material 90% of the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||07/11/2020|
I totally agree r523!
|by Anonymous||reply 524||07/11/2020|
[quote]I know it's never going to happen, but I would be over the moon if Marina snagged a nomination.
Of course it will never happen
|by Anonymous||reply 525||07/11/2020|
This is hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||07/11/2020|
Lower Decks trailer is out.
Not on YouTube yet, unfortunately.
|by Anonymous||reply 527||07/12/2020|
Here's the YouTube link. Like a minute after I posted the other.
|by Anonymous||reply 528||07/12/2020|
Yeah, not funny in the least.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||07/12/2020|
I don’t care how big of a Trekkie you are, 3 SHOWS AND A MOVIE FRANCHISE AT ONCE is TOO MUCH TREK!
I’m sick and tired of market oversaturation, Hollywood greed and monotony.
Marvel are the only ones who have maintained consistent quality, but I’m still sick to death of their shows and can’t watch the TV shit.
Only the most life-free nerd potato can keep up with one of these franchises anymore. The glut of content cheapens the brand and dilutes the importance of every show.
This is when I stopped following Trek — when they started doing 3 mediocre shows at once.
MAKE IT RARE and SPECIAL, otherwise most people are OUT!
The Chris Pine movies are all just recycled KHAN, anyway!
|by Anonymous||reply 530||07/12/2020|
R530 has stated her boundaries.
|by Anonymous||reply 531||07/13/2020|
The TNG cast (minus Jonathan Frakes) had a physically distanced outdoor gathering for Patrick Stewart's 80th Birthday yesterday. I love how close this cast is!
|by Anonymous||reply 532||07/14/2020|
Nice article on all the sexist bullshit that has historically gone on behind the scenes on the various series.
When they talk about some of the sexual harassment that went on, they did neglect to mention something that happened to Nana Visitor. She had a scene where she was topless (one of the mirror universe episodes) and cups glued to her breasts, although you wouldn't actually see anything. She was taking a milk bath in the scene, and they put in orange oil into it...which dissolved the glue. She was never sure if that was done purposefully or not.
|by Anonymous||reply 533||07/14/2020|
Oopsie, there was supposed to be a link
|by Anonymous||reply 534||07/14/2020|
Star Trek: Prodigy, the Nickelodeon series was formally announced.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||07/23/2020|
I think Star Force is well done, gave me a good laugh. Nice sci fi (quarantine) parody. Great household props. It lasts only a few minutes, episode two was recently released and is a bit longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||07/23/2020|
I think Star Force is well done, gave me a good laugh. Nice sci fi (quarantine) parody. Great household props. It lasts only a few minutes, episode two was recently released and is a bit longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 537||07/23/2020|
I hope with the announcement of Star Trek Prodigy, that this is it for a while. I think there are too many shows in development. Although there are rumors going around that a 7 of 9 spin-off is being planned that would start once Picard ends after season 3.
|by Anonymous||reply 538||07/24/2020|
Lower Decks premiered. I wasn't sure what I was expecting, but it was better than its pedigree. It's definitely more Futurama than Rick & Morty. And the people behind it clearly LOVE Star Trek, which counts for a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 539||08/06/2020|
R539 Mike McMahan, the creator and executive producer of Lower Decks, is a huge TNG fan. McMahan also confirmed that legacy characters from the TNG-era Treks will be appearing. There is a rumor that the ship docks at DS9 in one of the later episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 540||08/06/2020|
Finally watched the first episode and I was surprised by how much I liked it! It felt both irreverent and nostalgic like a love letter to TNG. Mike McMahan has confirmed the we will see/hear legacy characters/actors in the first season. However, McMahan has stated the cameos are not characters you might expect to see and he's hinted at a visit to DS9. In an interview with Trek Culture he said that TNG is his favorite Trek, but that DS9 was the best written Star Trek series in terms of the scale and types of stories it told. He also said, DS9 is kind of the Lower Decks of the franchise because it's legacy is deeply felt within the franchise, but it doesn't get the respect it deserves. I suspect we won't see/hear any of the TNG regulars because they will all likely appear in Picard at some point.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||08/08/2020|
I agree they're overdoing the franchise. They're killing off the goose that laid the golden eggs.
|by Anonymous||reply 542||08/08/2020|
R542 Yeah I agree. CBS goal is to have new Star Trek on All Access available 52 weeks a year. This is why we have to live action series in production (Picard and Discovery) and two in pre-production (SNW and 31) and two animated shows.
I am concerned that this is too much too but they are handling things differently than in the 90s/early 00s. In the 90s, you had two shows on the air each producing 26 episodes a season and following the same basically story telling pattern. Yes, DS9 has more ongoing arcs but the vast majority of that show is still standalone episodes. Voyager was basically a carbon copy of TNG. The current versions are much shorter seasons with each show setting its own tone and not overlapping episodes.
|by Anonymous||reply 543||08/08/2020|
Okay, so I just got around to watching the first three episodes of Lower Decks. I personally preferred "Temporal Edict" to the first two episodes. I thought the jokes landed better in this episode and I thought it was a funny look at Scotty's buffering estimates established in the original series, and also the Miles O'Brien joke at the end was awesome.
|by Anonymous||reply 544||08/21/2020|
THIS is the Trek that should be on the air
|by Anonymous||reply 545||08/21/2020|
Disco S1 is going to air on Regular CBS in the run up to S3. And because they’re out of new programming.
|by Anonymous||reply 546||08/27/2020|
R542 They have a hand up the goose's ass but keep pulling out lumps of shit instead of gold eggs. The goose is old and tired, folks. At the very least, give her a break.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||09/05/2020|
Take as look if you've never seen this. Fan production but better than anything I've seen from CBS. This the way they should have gone. Star Trek by people who understand Trek.
|by Anonymous||reply 548||09/05/2020|
They did a great number of Zoom panels for all of the series today, including Strange New Worlds. Unfortunately, the goateed Ethan Peck from the Mirror Universe showed up.
|by Anonymous||reply 549||09/08/2020|
R549 I'm really looking forward to Discovery! In fact, I'm actually more excited about a new season of Discovery than I am about another season of Picard.
|by Anonymous||reply 550||09/08/2020|
STP is shit, Discovery is hammered shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 551||09/08/2020|
I could care less about Discovery a.k.a. The Sonequa Martin-Green Show.
|by Anonymous||reply 552||09/08/2020|
[quote] I could care less about Discovery
Oh, so you DO care about the show. But how much less could you care about it?
|by Anonymous||reply 553||09/08/2020|
R552 You could care less? So that means you like the show? Seriously, the fandom has become a cesspool of white male idiots who is pissed because a black woman is leading the show. Guess what if you don't like Discovery, or Picard, or Lower Decks...DON'T WATCH them. Going back and watch the 90s era Trek if you want. That's awesome.
|by Anonymous||reply 554||09/09/2020|
Q will be showing up before the end of this season of Lower Decks.
|by Anonymous||reply 555||09/10/2020|
R554, you know it's just possible people don't like the show because it's terrible, not because it has a black female lead.
|by Anonymous||reply 556||09/11/2020|
I’m a gay African-American male and don’t like the show. Also, even though the post-Original Trek series had a central figure, they were mainly ensemble shows. White, black, whatever. I don’t appreciate she who was adopted by Vulcans eating up the damn show. That hokey ass speech she gave at the end of the Season One finale didn’t help.
|by Anonymous||reply 557||09/11/2020|
R552, What does being a gay AA male have to do with it?
|by Anonymous||reply 558||09/11/2020|
r558, Look at r556 post. Don’t fucking play games bitch! Come correct!
|by Anonymous||reply 559||09/11/2020|
R557 I'm just curious do you have the same criticisms of Picard since it focuses solely on his character about 80% of the time?
|by Anonymous||reply 560||09/11/2020|
I don't disagree that the first season of Discovery was too Burnham focused, but the second season did start to focus on the other characters.
|by Anonymous||reply 561||09/11/2020|
R560: He's the central character in that everyone is running over him all the time. Star Trek: Come beat on the old bald guy
|by Anonymous||reply 562||09/12/2020|
Star Trek Discovery began filming season 4 in Toronto this past Monday. The American cast were required to fly in 14 days prior and self-isolate and were tested for COVID before being allowed on set. It's believe Strange New Worlds is now in pre-production and filming will begin at the end of January.
|by Anonymous||reply 563||09/30/2020|
[quote] Also, they sand "A British Tar" in Insurrection, not "Modern Major General."
I thought it was "Three Little Maids from School"!
|by Anonymous||reply 564||09/30/2020|
They're having a Trek The Vote combo virtual convention and Biden fundraiser. They have a lot of actors, plus self-admitted Trekkie Stacey Abrams (she loves Janeway and Mulgrew is one of the guests), Cory Booker, Pete, and Andrew Yang.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||10/02/2020|
R565 looks like fun
|by Anonymous||reply 566||10/02/2020|
Yeah, Marina's constant dragging of Republicans on Twitter is the entire reason I signed up. She's also been a US citizen for a long time.
That, and hopefully the chance to see Abrams fangirl out.
|by Anonymous||reply 567||10/03/2020|
R567 Yes, Marina became a naturalized American citizen back in the 90s. Patrick Stewart is also now an American citizen, becoming one in 2018 specifically so he could vote Trump out. I am surprised that so few people from Discovery are participating and no one from Strange New Worlds? Although Anson Mount and Ethan Peck have both be vocal about voting for Biden.
|by Anonymous||reply 568||10/03/2020|
[quote]Patrick Stewart is also now an American citizen, becoming one in 2018 specifically so he could vote Trump out.
Then we'll be okay. We've got Captain Picard on our side.
|by Anonymous||reply 569||10/03/2020|
FWIW, we also have Captain Janeway. Kate Mulgrew's father was heavily involved in the Democratic party and her mother was friends with the Kennedys.
|by Anonymous||reply 570||10/04/2020|
Speaking of Captain Janeway, she's confirmed for Prodigy.
Lower Decks' finale was awesome. Riker and Troi saved the day with the Titan. I have such a goofy grin on my face.
|by Anonymous||reply 571||10/08/2020|
Marina spills more wig-tea.
|by Anonymous||reply 572||10/11/2020|
Pete held up a Hugh action figure while moderating a panel about diversity, and I plotzed.
|by Anonymous||reply 573||10/13/2020|
Not surprised to hear Pete plays with dolls.
|by Anonymous||reply 574||10/13/2020|
Disco S4 is officially confirmed, and for the first time, going year to year with the same producer. Took a few tries, but Michelle Paradise seems to have been the one to stick.
|by Anonymous||reply 575||10/16/2020|