Which Kennedy Now?

Who cares OP? All the interesting Kennedys are dead.

The drunk one? I know that doesn’t help narrow it down.

CBS reported it was a young woman at Ethel Kennedy's compound.

The Kennedys have a history of substance/alcohol abuse. And they’re Catholic. I’ve never read the assumption of sex abuse within the family. I wonder if that’s one of their hidden secrets?

It's Ethel. Her finger got stuck up her nostril and cannot be dislodged!

r4 there have been published rumors that Old Joe abused his daughters, particularly Rosemary who was handicapped.

He was widely known to have sexually harassed several of his daughters' friend who came to stay with the family over holidays or weekends.

[R6] maybe that’s why he had her lobotomized, so she wouldn’t tell.

I have friends who've lived in Hyannisport for years, they live a short distance from the compound. If the deceased is a Kennedy the Hyannis PD and authorities will absolutely shut down all information and leaks until the Kennedys decide what to release to the news media. They still have major control in that town and the PD are majorly in their back pockets (still).

If this person is a Kennedy they're lucky they died in H-port, since the news and other details will be tightly controlled by the family.

Evidently a young woman OD 'd. I wonder how long they waited to call the police. Did they do a Ted and go to sleep off their bender first? The Kennedy's are all slime. Genetically defective sociopaths.

"CBS reported it was a young woman"

Here we go again...

R10 she was a fresh delivery from ‘The J. Epstein Catalog’.

Saoirse Kennedy Hill, 22, dead from OD

R12 She OD'd on poisonous vaccines pushed by Big Pharma

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That’s a damn shame.

I’m not being sarcastic. It is. It’s a waste. Her poor parents.

If they had just arranged for the lobotomy I suggested, none of this would have happened. That's what you do with party girls.

How does one pronounce Saoirse? I can't wrap my head around it.

I googled. It's pronounced Ser-sha, kind of like Sasha being spoken by a dork.

Such a pretty place, with the birds chirping and the white picket fences and gleaming houses. And some girl goes and ODs like a regular old junkie. Money doesn’t make much difference, does it? I had a lovely friend who was a .0001%er (it didn’t register at the time, I just thought she was “rich”). Died of cancer and not a damn thing her family’s money could do about it.

R17 Seer -sha

R18, “rhymes with inertia”.

Although I’ve heard it “SOR-sha”, too.

Isn't there a terrible heroin problem on Cape Cod?

Her father was one of the Guildford Four!

R22 There's a terrible Kennedy problem in Cape Cod

“Saoirse is the only child of Courtney Kennedy Hill. While at the boarding school Deerfield Academy, Hill wrote about her struggle with depression and mental health. She talks about a sexual assault from a friend that lead to a suicide attempt. When Hill returned for her senior year after treatment, she felt the lack of communication about her mental illness to be very strange and unsettling.

"Deerfield is one of the top educational institutions in the country, yet no one seems to know how to talk about mental illness. People talk about cancer freely; why is it so difficult to discuss the effects of depression, bi-polar, anxiety, or schizophrenic disorders?" wrote Hill in an article for The Deerfield Scroll. Thankfully, Hill used her difficulties with depression to reach out to others and create a more open environment to discuss mental illness.”

Damn.

Ethel is 91 and still kicking, meanwhile...

[quote]In a 1997 piece on the Kennedys' children, Vanity Fair noted "one son's death by drug overdose, another's arrest for heroin possession, and the involvement of Joe himself in reckless driving that left a girl paralyzed for life, along with a general trend of overindulgence among the sons that has sent several of them into rehab".[24] These remarks respectively referred to her sons David,[26] Robert Jr.,[27] and Joseph.[28][29]

For all your pronunciation needs:

WHo did she belong to?

And R26, there was son Michael who was accused of playing around with the baby sitter.

Who died on the ski slopes (by crashing into a tree) after the family had been warned by the Ski Patrol to stop playing touch football on skis. Kennedy family ignored the Ski Patrol admonition and crash went Michael.

Has Saoirse Ronan commented yet?

R26 what a disgusting family of degenerate trash swine. The less of them the better.

It can't be Caroline because she got all the brains in the family.

Damn shame.

R30 Yes. She released a statement saying " Don't worry everyone, it wasn't me. It was a different Saoirse "

This is all quite distasteful. We don't allow such things in Kennebunkport.

What was on her i-Pod?

Kennedy family announces death of Saoirse Hill, granddaughter of Ethel Kennedy

Predictable, but still sad! She’s been going off the rails for 35+ years but you didn’t want to listen to me. I tried telling you jamokes, when a broad like that shaves her head and becomes a priest, you know the elevator ain’t going all the way to the penthouse.

We’re trying to get her ex-husband and collaborator Prince on the horn for his reaction. With any luck we’ll have him right after the break.

Sad, but what can you expect from any family that has a "compound."

That's really sad. Poor kid.

Sounds like she killed herself by taking pills. Sad. Money can’t solve depression.

The Skakels (Ethel's family) were a totally dysfunctional, out of control, family. They made the Kennedy's look tame. Worst decision Bobby made was marrying Ethel.

Is there a newspaper left in American that just lets you read the damn article?

“Overdose”

OK I’ll bite .Who the hell is r38 talking about?

Ethel Kennedy has released a statement!

"Saiorse. Which one was that again? I'm thinking one of Rory's, or maybe one of Kathleen's. One of Max's? Anyway, it's all very sad and she'll never be forgotten."

The Kennedy curse strikes again. I wish the curse would move to the Trump family.

2:30p.m. on Thursday.... OD not an accident, right? He social media already taken down?

Two weeks before my junior year began, however, my friend came back and planned to stay. My sense of well-being was already compromised, and I totally lost it after someone I knew and loved broke serious sexual boundaries with me. I did the worst thing a victim can do, and I pretended it hadn’t happened. This all became too much, and I attempted to take my own life.

Sad.

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She was a beautiful young women. Depression is a terrible thing. RIP

[quote]Before enrolling in Boston College

She only got into BC. Couldn't hold her head up any longer.

Her father is Irish and spent 15 years in prison for a bombing. He was later cleared. That would be very difficult for an only child to endure. Wealthy, but with a troubled life.

He was in prison though years before she was born. And she's been mostly raised here in the States, and not in Ireland where he is better known. Barely anyone knows who Hill is here, but everyone knows who the Kennedys are.

r48 they found her at 2:30 pm, doesn't mean she died then. She may have already been gone by then, and that's just when they found her. She was DOA at hospital arrival.

Very sad. Courtney Kennedy is one of the more activist, intelligent and low-key Kennedys.

R55, thanks, I skimmed. Didn't know that.

Was it an accidental OD, like fentanyl combined with benzos or an intentional OD, i.e. suicide?

They took that long to call the ambulance?

I hate to link to a Fox reporter, but...

[quote]Law Enforcement Source: Methadone found near 22 year old woman who died at Kennedy compound today Boston

It's always something with these degenerate and disordered drunks isn't it? Such an icky family. Our media has had the Kennedy's cock in their mouth for decades, maybe the younger generation will be more cynical about them. Never understood the fuss made about any of them.

R61, fuck you.

R62 Right back at ya, Chris Matthews

The Kennedys have always been white trash. Thank god they’re over.

Window units?

Could someone give me an overview? Joe Kennedy was the patriarch and his sons were John and Robert. John F. had two kids, John jr. and a girl. There was also Ted Kennedy (who was in an accident that killed a girl when he was younger). Was he a brother, cousin? Schwarzenegger also married a Kennedy. Are there more famous Kennedys?

"that girl" you refer to is Caroline, the only normal Kennedy, who got all the brains, poise, wit and common sense, but none of the looks.

This death and the death of the alcoholic wife the Kennedy was gaslighting aren’t satisfying like the playing football with an empty vodka bottle on skis and flying at night without being instrument rated deaths. This is sad.

The article she wrote for the school paper is somehow even sadder. She constructively criticizes the school for not proactively managing her return after a year of psychiatric treatment. Where the fuck were her parents? They didn’t meet with her teachers and counselors? And she didn’t realize (or couldn’t face) that it was their job? I’m making a lot of assumptions, but that article was depressing.

R55, it's not hard to guess that the imprisonment affected her father profoundly, if just from the article at R51. Gerry Conlon (played by Daniel Day Lewis in In the Name of the Father) suffered from mental breakdowns and drug addictions.

Conlon was another of the Guildford Four, I meant to add. A number of his relatives were also convicted on trumped-up charges, including his father, who died in prison.

r61 prefers the Trumps.

I wonder if all the talk about the “Kennedy curse” gets in the heads of young family members. I hope not, for their sake. It’s important to rise above family dysfunction, you don’t have to let it define you.

I'm sure Ethel's first call was to a priest. Not an ambulance. I am a big fan of Robert Kennedy - especially his last years. But I am not a fan of Ethel. Not at all.

AP totally buried the lead regarding the Guildford Four connection.

If it was an intentional suicide they will never admit it, like the old-fashioned Catholics they are.

The Kennedys are a big family. If you remove the assassinations are these so called tragedies really statistical anomalies?

Among a family of alcoholics and addicts, they probably beat the odds.

R14 Damn in that picture in the article, Courtney looks older than Ethel.

Oh yes, she's had such a torchered life hasn't she. And she had no access to any help to overcome her problems

Bullshit, billions yes BILLIONS of others have had it worse than her, lots worse and they do just fine.

Just look at the mess Ethel made with her own kids, from the one who left rehab to go party in Florida within minutes of being released, to her vaccine causes autism other son, and that's just the start.

Sinead O’Connor, I believe, R45

[quote]she's had such a torchered life hasn't she.

We may not like them, but we’re not villagers with torches.

Poor kid. Rest in peace.

R22, my brother lives on Cape Cod and there is a horrible heroin problem there. Down the street from him is a family where the son was an addict and the mother was despondent, went to church all the time, prayed for him, tried to do everything - only to somehow herself become an addict and die of an overdose.

Now the husband is dating the girl who sold his wife the drugs. You can't make this up. Cape Codders are fucked up.

"what a disgusting family of degenerate trash swine. The less of them the better."

Look who's talking, freeper troll. If you want to see trash, look at Trump's family.

Boston College is in the top 50 Universities in the country and is highly respected, unlike R82 who loves to generalize and judge. No, not everyone on the Cape has a drug problem and in case you've been under a rock these past few years, the opioid epidemic is affecting everyone.

She suffered from depression and had a history of attempting suicide. Depression is not uncommon in Irish families. It's hereditary and devastating. Seemingly lovely people with everything to live for are affected. May she rest in peace.

Blocking is your friend, R83. Don't bother wasting your time on trash tryng to deflect their deficiencies onto others.

The Kennedy Compound = alcohol + opoids

So far, 91 year old Ethel has buried two sons, a former daughter in law, several nieces and nephews and now a grandchild.

And a husband, R86.

None of Ethel's four daughters were 'pretty', but Courtney was the homeliest of the bunch. At least her own daughter was pretty, but unfortunately that didn't alleviate the psychic pain she suffered.

This family ceased to be relevant decades ago.

As opposed to r89 who was never relevant.

Boo-fucking hoo. I'm sorry the young woman died from her own self-destructive behavior, but at some point you'd have to point out the self-indulgence too. I work part-time at a county psych clinic where disadvantaged people including the uninsured/ working poor come in for treatment; I currently have a few patients who are homeless and working part-time. I prescribe meds and get my patients referrals for psychotherapy if necessary but most of them are lucky to find a therapist within 6 months because the system is so clogged up. Many of them have PTSD on top of their core psych diagnoses because of background/ childhood of abuse and substance use. Most of them don't harp on their history as excuse to become mired in victimhood because they're too busy working, finding shelter over their heads, and trying to support themselves. Sorry, but it really grates on me to read about a poor little rich girl with all the money and connections to seek proper help, whinge about being a victim.

Ethel was known for being an abusive bitch to the hired help, she was both physically and verbally abusive to maids and other staff that she routinely tormented. Many of the Kennedys are shitty people and I don't understand why the mainstream media keep giving them passes and even in fact continue to celebrate them. Both JFK and RFK abused their powers and positions to fuck young female staff and volunteers, but yet they're still being held up as paragons of public service today. FFS Teddy killed a woman and failed to report the accident until much later, yet when he died he was hailed as a hero of the left. Today RFK Jr is an anti-vaxx activist, continuing the family tradition of jackassery.

r91 probably supports Trump, a man who has been accused of assault by over a dozen women. You certainly seem to lack empathy for others, which goes along with being a Trump supporter.

Surprised there isn’t more about the father. What attracts a Kennedy to marry someone like that? Also interesting is that the Kennedy trust funds are still going after all these years and through so many kids. Impressive. Would love to know more about how those trusts work - that they can support dozens of people decades after old man Joe made the money.

I read the article she wrote about returning to school after being out, dealing with her depression. She said she had friends who knew what she had been going through, but due to the HIPAA medical privacy law, nobody else knew. She didn't state what her school could have done to make things better for her (upon her return). The school did maintain her privacy. I think it's sad what she was dealing with, but can't blame the school for following HIPAA and not disseminating medical info.

R92 Troll harder bitch, only someone with subpar Trumpian level IQ would equate criticism of Kennedys with being a Trumpeter.

R92 is either a troll or stupid. R91, who works with the poor, dares to criticize the Kennedy family and the only rejoinder R91 has is is that R91 is a Trump supporter.

Meant to say Trumpster

r96, Republicans LOVE to attack the Kennedy family. And I find it sad that someone who claims to work for the poor is so lacking in empathy towards others.

It must be doubly hard to be in that family with mental health issues.

R94 Yes you're correct about the HIPAA laws being applicable even in schools. Also schools are not nor should they be in the business of mental health; that's why the schools provide referrals for students who require individual therapy that the schools aren't able to provide. When I completed my pediatrics psych hours, my preceptor was a clinical psychologist who rotated between 6 schools in the district, and we did almost exclusively group therapy with elementary school kids. Aside from referrals for individual therapy, we also did a lot of intake assessments mostly involving so-called troubled kids who invariably dealt with some serious shit at home. Many of the 5th and 6th graders that I saw there were already smoking weed or doing other (much worse) types of drugs and having sex. Cutting was also a big thing there too. But yeah, complaining that schools aren't openly supportive of individual students and their possible behavioral/ emotional problems is walking a fine line. I suspect we'd be seeing lawsuits from those children's parents who'd see it as opportunities to make money from privacy laws.

The White House doesn't go for booze and dope!

R98 I balance empathy with a realistic approach, it's the only way to help people who are dealing with chronic, serious mental illnesses while trying to work and live their lives. I emphasize illnesses because the patients with such a profile (substance abuse, sexual/ physical abuse, underlying diagnoses such as depression etc...) at some point need to realize that there is no magic pill to alleviate all their symptoms. What we know is that many of these patients have low tolerance for stress and this can lead to further catastrophizing of everyday/ life milestone stressors. We're not going to help by coddling or giving more meds or increasing doses to maximum levels, these approaches do them no good. As a clinician, I'm going to help them be at a level where they can be functional and learn to help themselves cope with/ process past traumatic events and current stressors. That is best done with individual therapy which unfortunately is impacted significantly with demand overwhelming resources. Treatment with individual psychotherapy along with meds is the most effective for depression, PTSD, anxiety. In the case of SK, she had all the resources at her disposal and yet she wrote a (IMO) woe-is-me article on lack of mental health support at her prep school. Coming from my perspective and the patient population that I work with, it does come across as self-indulgent. It also did not take into consideration of the fact that schools should be first and foremost be concerned with education. Schools being supportive of mental health can mean providing referral services, not publicizing mental health travails of individual students. To seemingly equate lack of publicizing of individual students' mental health issues with mental health being considered a taboo by schools, that is false equivalency IMO.

Sad that you can't empathize with someone just because they come from a well-off background. Considering your whining about "the left" I feel bad for anyone who has to work with you. I doubt they are truly getting the help they need.

It was Taylor Swift. She broke a window and climbed in. Ethel talked her down.

R102, in all the books and textbooks you’ve presumably read over the years, you’ve never noticed there is no space after a slash?

Over the years I wonder how many non-related women died on this property and were quietly disposed of into the Gulf Stream.

MSN needs to hire an editor, stat. Hyannisport?

I'll be inaugurating those clubs this weekend with none other than Ethel Kennedy, a woman whose triumph in the face of tragedy is succeeded only by her proclivity to procreate.

"Over the years I wonder how many non-related women died on this property and were quietly disposed of into the Gulf Stream."

I wonder how many women Trump disposed of after he raped them, Mr. Freeper

I don’t see why it’s so hard to dislike both the Kennedys and the Trumps. This isn’t the Steelers versus the Cowboys.

Depression is an illness and nothing to do with someone's socio-economic background.

When I first read this, I assumed it was RFK Jrs. daughter, who is quite the headcase herself, or Max's daughter (the one that looks like a Cabbage Patch Doll) who got arrested for partying with her *Dad* at the compound a couple of years ago. So much crazy....

It's certainly sad for this young girl, but I think I remember reading that her mother suffered from depression & the father (where is he these days?) was an alcoholic, so clearly money not withstanding, this is a family with some very real mental health/addiction issues.

Still, if they only had one kid & likely lived in a very nice area, why send a kid with mental health issues to boarding school where you can't keep an eye on them? Send them to a private school near your home? Not that it's necessarily anyone's fault, but you wonder how much support she had in her life.

Tragic. Twenty-two year old should not die.

R113, Neither should a 28 year old.

Or 15 year olds

We would both still be alive today if it weren't for the Kennedys.

I just have to ask: WHY IS THIS NEWS?!

Nobody cares about The Kennedys anymore.

Many of the 5th and 6th graders that I saw there were already smoking weed or doing other (much worse) types of drugs and having sex. Cutting was also a big thing there too.

Wow, thank you for your post R102; it was very informative. I can't even imagine what hell your life must be as a *kid* if you're drinking, drugging & cutting that early.

How long until the Kennedys follow the Astors and Gettys into obscurity?

[quote]We would both still be alive today if it weren't for the Kennedys.

So would I.

I just read the Daily Mail latest article, many pictures of Saorise. She really was a lovely girl, much prettier than most of the other Kennedy women. Her mother, Courtney, looks terribly aged. I guess it's all that sun?

I always found that marriage of Courtney and Paul Hill interesting. To go from prison to marriage into America's royal family, imagine how thrilled his family must have been.

Their only child, what a tragedy.

I still think about Mary Richardson. When she died, I took a couple of days off from work, and read everything I could find about her. I can't say why it affected me so. It was just so damned senseless and sad. I hate like hell that she gave up her whole life for that lizard.

r117, the fact that this is news proves that people DO care. Go away, Republicans.

Not to pile onto the Kennedys during another dark hour, but the sensational news articles re-capitulating the tragedies over the years keep leaving out the sad case of Pam Burkley, the poor young woman who was left paralyzed when the Jeep she was joyriding in with Joe, RFK Jr and David Kennedy flipped over in Hyannis back in the 70s. She had to sue Joe a few years back when he stopped paying her medical bills, she is wheelchair bound.

Not to pile onto the Kennedys during another dark hour, but the sensational news articles re-capitulating the tragedies over the years keep leaving out the sad case of Pam Burkley, the poor young woman who was left paralyzed when the Jeep she was joyriding in with Joe, RFK Jr and David Kennedy flipped over in Hyannis back in the 70s. She had to sue Joe a few years back when he stopped paying her medical bills, she is wheelchair bound.

Not to pile onto the Kennedys during another dark hour, but the sensational news articles re-capitulating the tragedies over the years keep leaving out the sad case of Pam Burkley, the poor young woman who was left paralyzed when the Jeep she was joyriding in with Joe, RFK Jr and David Kennedy flipped over in Hyannis back in the 70s. She had to sue Joe a few years back when he stopped paying her medical bills, she is wheelchair bound.

Not to pile onto the Kennedys during another dark hour, but the sensational news articles re-capitulating the tragedies over the years keep leaving out the sad case of Pam Burkley, the poor young woman who was left paralyzed when the Jeep she was joyriding in with Joe, RFK Jr and David Kennedy flipped over in Hyannis back in the 70s. She had to sue Joe a few years back when he stopped paying her medical bills, she is wheelchair bound.

Not to pile onto the Kennedys during another dark hour, but the sensational news articles re-capitulating the tragedies over the years keep leaving out the sad case of Pam Burkley, the poor young woman who was left paralyzed when the Jeep she was joyriding in with Joe, RFK Jr and David Kennedy flipped over in Hyannis back in the 70s. She had to sue Joe a few years back when he stopped paying her medical bills, she is wheelchair bound.

apologies for the 5-fer post at r128 etc. DL very glitchy lately.

I forgot RFK Jr. is married to Cheryl Hines, of all people.

Didn't JD Vance write a book about these people?

For R66

Oops, sorry. For R66. There were nine children in the Kennedy family that gave us President John F. Kennedy ( assassinated in 1963). Robert Kennedy was his brother and his Attorney General and was assassinated in 1968 while running for president. The young Kennedy who just died was his granddaughter. Senator Ted Kennedy was another brother who served in the Senate until his death from cancer. The oldest brother in the family was killed in action during WWII.

Not only has the family had numerous tragedies unrelated to bad behavior, there are also instances of tragedies related to alcoholism and other unfortunate habits. John Kennedy JR, son of the president, and his wife were killed while John was piloting his private plane to a wedding at the compound where Saoirse was killed.

She did the one thing Kennedys do best.

Odd that Courtney had only one child, very unKennedy.

Druggies overdose and die. It just comes with the territory.

Agree, R112. S also wrote of sexual abuse.

Deliberate or accidetal, the death of such a young person is very sad.

I thought David was one of the best looking Kennedy OD’s.

Trying to start something, OP ?

It's always tragic when someone is so tormented that they feel they're a burden to the people who love them, and that they would be better off without them. Rarely does it ever occur to them that their family feels so much love for them, and would fight fiercely to keep them around.

It could have been an accidental OD, R139.

It could have been an accidental OD, [R139].

Possibly, but considering that they didn't wait for the toxicology report & identified it as a suicide almost from the get go makes you think this wasn't her first rodeo with trying to kill herself.

Was it identified as a suicide r141? I hadn’t seen anything that said it was.

Some article I read, probably daily mail, mentioned either an attempt or thoughts – that she was treated for it.

Are any of the younger Kennedys president material or have they all degenerated into overprivileged trust fund druggies?

How about this one, r144?

This story was on the front page of the Telegraph today. I was surprised that even here in the UK, the death of a Kennedy is still considered news, given how politically irrelevant the family has been for years.

R146, her father is also semi-famous over there so that might have something to do with it.

When did Courtney and Hill divorce?

2006, R148.

I bet she was an opioid user and got hold of an unusually potent batch of fentanyl.

I heard methadone was found. But it could have very well been tainted heroin.

We Brits are fascinated by the Kennedys as much as you Americans over our Royal Family.

Don't forget one of them married into the British aristocracy

R153, And we had Camelot.

R152 We’ve always kind of secretly wanted a royal family, so yes, Camelot. Of course Jackie was very regal so that worked out.

Unless she left a note, the impression I got from media coverage was OD. Lots of smack on Cape Cod and methadone was found. Maybe she was off it for a bit, then accidentally ODed when she went back to her prior dose. Or maybe it had Fent. It happens. Sad.

Ironic how even the most messed up youth of the elite are held forth as some sort of Oracles or Role Models to shape opinons of other young people. Maybe sort yourself and your family out before getting so wrapped up in virtue signalling? This kid was troubled for years and seems to have been kind of left to cope on her own. Shame to die so young.

The poor girl inherited Bobby's two oversized front teeth, as did her Aunt Rory.

Her body was returned via hearse to the Kennedy compound on Saturday, so they must be holding her wake there.

"Maybe sort yourself and your family out before getting so wrapped up in virtue signalling?"

People who use the term virtue signalling are douche signalling. Go away, Trump voters.

I'm not a Kennedy fan and all that Camelot bullshit is annoying.

I was around when Theodore White wrote that article and I have come to believe that Jackie made up the whole "evenings spent listening to the original cast album" tale. (She probably came to rue the day she did it after having to hear that bullshit for the rest of her life.) After all that has come out about JFK's sexual hi-jinks, it seems highly unlikely that he spent his evenings with the wife listening to records.

But, as far as this recent death, I find it sad and wasteful. I read the young woman's comments describing her return to school and her suggestions to help others in her situation. She sounds as if she was thoughtful and sincere.

And I second the question mentioned above as to why someone who was so troubled was shipped off to boarding school? Were her parents too busy living their own lives to take the time to be close for their only child.

Sad.

She did regret it, r160. She didn’t want people to forget his sacrifice, but she didn’t foresee the country turning into a legend. She once said, “so now he is a legend, when he would rather have been a man.”

^ turning him into a legend...

Poor kid, so young. The stories are written as though it was suicide and as though it was an accidental OD, with the mentions of methadone and of her mother seeking a facility to treat the depression the girl still had. Until the tox screens are complete and I suppose even then, could be either. It reminds me that people who are struggling are often drawn to causes to fill the empty hole inside or to distract from a chaotic upbringing, which she was said to have experienced. The sexual abuse she referred to has a devestating impact as well. Very sad. If you can keep going, a bit of age really lends perspective and a sense of gratitude for survival.

Have to say, despite their myriad flaws and (mostly) self-imposed troubles, these people know how to deliver touching and memorable eulogies to their loved ones. Perhaps because they've had so much practice.

RKF Jr is an ass with plenty of dislikability but his words today were moving.

Poor kid.

Where are the references to her Irish family at the funeral?

Always just about the Kennedys.

Her father looks stricken.

Joseph Kennedy is starting to look like his grandfather, Old Joe.

[quote]Her father looks drunk.

Fixed that for you.

[quote]We’ve always kind of secretly wanted a royal family, so yes, Camelot. Of course Jackie was very regal so that worked out.

There hasn't been a regal Kennedy since Jackie. They look like either leather chipmunks or bean bag chairs and most of 'em are so wasted they can't stand up straight.

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R171 If true, that’s kind of what I meant upthread by letting your family lore, the “curse” and all, get in your head.

Ummm r170, you are aware that Jackie married INTO the family, right?

She had no Kennedy genes.