13 Reasons Why: Season 3

I'm kinda confused why some of those individuals would be at Bryce's funeral?

Where's Tyler? He showed his ass in the first two seasons.

Bryce dead? That's good, right?

BTW the song used for the trailer is Banks' "Before I Ever Met You".

[quote] Where's Tyler?

Tyler (Devin Druid) is in two shots. First one is early on with Tony and Justin with the car. The second is in the group shot right next to Alex.

Last season was a mess, working up to a school shooting and then chickening out after the fact with a hastily slapped together scene. That finale was cringeworthy.

It was awful, r6. I don't even remember if I finished it, which means I probably didn't.

This never should have gone past season one.

They kill Bryce, so I'll watch.

Yep r8, it was a self contained story they are stretching out and it shows.

New trailer.

Dylan MInette is way too perfect looking for an angsty teen. That's what I liked about Zendaya's Rue in Euphoria. She looked the part.

Stopped at Season 1. The male lead is one of the blandest, shallowest actors I’ve ever had the misfortune to watch. Talentless.

He has a face that begs to be punched.

Looks like they dropped the Zach and Alex relationship after too many fans wanted a romance. Sad.

Alex gets to play for the other team! But not with Zach who's a little too uptight for these kind of sensations.

How/where did you learn this?

r5 How is he not in prison for attempted school shooting?

R18 Clay and Tony helped him escape so he didn't get caught. I assume this season will show the aftermath.

So, it's kind of become Riverdale?

I couldn't get past the second episode of Season 1. Is there a new suicide every season?

r20 If Riverdale was written by a rape fetishist.

Before Euphoria, 13 Reasons Why was THE edgy teen soap drama. I mean even the second season has the pretty graphic scene of Tyler getting brutally sodomized (which leads to him showing up with all of his guns at the prom).

They spend the whole season showing a good side to Bryce and redeeming him. Gross.

Well, even people who commit rape have their good sides. People do horrible acts but it isn't like they are mustache twirling two dimensional villains.

Season 3 is on bitches. The action takes place 8 months after the aborted massive shooting by Tyler and just after some unknown event that took place at the homecoming night and pretty much all the male characters are bruised or having injuries of some sort. It starts with Clay Jensen being "arrested" by the sheriff, Alex's dad.

I watched most of the first episode during lunch break. Clay and Justin are sharing a new bedroom which was the carriage house, but Clay wants called the "out house." It is very well decorated with twin beds, that could easily be pushed together, and is quite the bachelor's pad. No ones in the bedroom upstairs in the house; they didn't want Justin to be adopted into the family, only to be sent to live in the backyard so both boys went. And by boys I mean seniors in high school.

New girl is annoying to me with her accent, was this a loose an international actress, gain an international actress strategy? She already seems to be a mystical negro trope speaking in Swahili and telling people who they are like a gypsy. I would rather Sheri just be there instead, but she looks like her character is gone.

DL fave Miles Heizer has a pretty graphic nude sex scene in episode 5 and he shows his bare ass.

Just into early episode 2 and LOVING IT. I thought it would be some paint-by-numbers whodunit, but it's still very 13 Reasons Why. Love the transitions of present to flashbacks and back. I also like the new girl. It's kind of heartwarming how the gang takes care of Tyler.

Is the show trying to make me feel sorry for Bryce?

r30 Yeah honestly you'd really think they'd give him personality traits other than "this guy really likes to rape" before they chose to kill him

This is a show for fat twelve year old girls.

They made it a British murder mystery out of nowhere...

Checked it out. First thoughts, plopping in a brand new main character to narrate the show who is already intertwined with all the other characters is a weird writing decision that asks a lot of an audience.

Never in the history of ever would two teen boys want to share a room over having their own private space. Yeah, so they can be forced to sneak in their porn/masturbation...right.

I didn't even like last season so I am not sure why I am watching, but yet here I am. I blame Brandon Flynn.

If I squint, Miles is almost believably hetero.

The Miles steroids storyline is truly hilarious

r36 At least Miles bulked up for it as much as he probably can.

R34 I never cared about him and was baffled by DLs obsession with him, but I just watched season 2 and he was the only thing I liked in it. Brandon Flynn is great in season 2, with a much larger role from season 1.

I am watching season 3 and it’s a lot more boring that season 2, which was a step down from season 1. Plus Brandon Flynn’s role has been shrunk down majorly this season so I don’t care as much.

He looked very handsome in season 2, despite being all drugged up looking and skinny.

I agree that they would most likely want their own rooms but in a way I get them wanting to share. They can always talk about shit without their parents suspecting them going in and out of each other’s room, plus Clay is an only child so maybe he likes having someone else around. I think Justin is an only child also.

It’s like Seth in The OC when Ryan came around.

Episode 5 has a very interesting scene.

R40 I am on episode 4. I liked episode 3. Didn’t like 1 and 2 and 4 has been a bore.

3 was fun though.

I know all you guys care about is Miles and Brandon, but I find Timothy Granaderos, who plays Monty, to be very hot.

So hot

R43 lol Timothy is almost a full decade older than the rest of the cast, he’s pushing 34 and it shows.

He turns 34 late next year. But who cares?

He’s hot.

I don’t need a 20 year old.

I’d let him destroy my guts

Speaking of Monty, I think I've seen up to episode 5.

Are we going to find out that he's gay? He seems to dwell way too much on if some combination of Zach, Alex, or Tyler is fucking.

R47 Watch episode 5 and come back.

R47 I don’t know but there’s an article about his character here, and whether he’s gay or not is a question.

No one knows if he’s gay or not, including himself. For all we know he’s just exploring his sexuality, or maybe he knows he’s gay.

Some guys try shit while young, realize it’s not for them and move on.

R41 It has been a bit uneven, but overall it has kept my interest. I'm almost to the end of 5, which packs a lot into it. The interesting scene I'm referring to doesn't involve Miles's ass.

R51 I found episode 4 boring until about midway. I’m near the end and am into it now. But the first 20 minutes or so I found Zzzzzzz

I’m so baffled by this ugly ass being on the show.

I don’t care that he’s on the show but I hate him playing that character. He acts like he’s the hottest, toughest most bad ass dude ever with his tats and leather jacket but he’s HIDEOUS. Plus he’s always acting out.

His hot black boyfriend can do better.

Having finished episode 5...

It figures that they add another gay (?) character to the show, and it's the one who raped Tyler with a mop-handle.

I still don't know the utility of Ani, but it is nice that they have someone to call Clay on his shit.

Is every student at this school over 18? Otherwise, how are the cops questioning them all without a parent or lawyer present?

And why is there so much scandal at this school? So much murder and hate crimes and sex etc. calm down kids. Yikes.

I mean, compared to Elite...

Granted, Elite is a better show.

Well you have the right to get a lawyer but you have to demand that right r55, cops always count on people talking to them without asking for a lawyer.

And like most things the exact laws vary by local jurisdictions, but in general police can definitely question minors without their parents being there. Nothing about that aspect is unrealistic.

How did Justin get in the same school as these kids?

They’re all Upper Middle Class to Rich, he’s the one poor one. Based on how the school works, it wouldn’t be a public school. It would be Private or Charter.

There are plenty of upper middle class public schools r59. I mean that is why parents move to certain upscale suburbs, because the public schools are considered nice.

I should say I agree that Justin doesn't seem like he would have lived in the zoning area of the school.

R60 the way the school operates is less Public and more Private.

Hannah’s parents even say why they made sure to put her in that school and all the questions they asked when they had their interview to enter her into the school during season 2.

Justin isn’t just poor by their standards, he’s legit poor. They’re borderline trailer trash.

It’s not like they struggle but get by and rent a nice apartment or house, they live in a dump and are poor. I’m Not knocking, I feel bad for people like him, I just wonder how he got into that school with them.

R63 Pretty sure he got in on some sort of sports scholarship

It's a public school, there is no recruiting or scholarships. I mean it's free man lol.

It’s a Charter School.

Charter schools are public schools, they are an example of public asset privatization.

Charter schools don’t allow just anyone in. You have to apply and be accepted after interviews etc.

Public schools work different

R57 Elite was great. Can't wait for the second season.

Did you watch Baby? It was similar(ish) but set in Italy. Had a great soundtrack.

Is anyone else having a hard time keeping up with the time jumps the further into the season they get?

Sometimes it can get a bit confusing but the show has always had that format. The storyline plays out in the present day and in flashbacks. The dreary and muted visual tone they went with for the present day annoys me a little though.

r54 I wanted Miles' character to be secretly gay this season :(

[Quote]lol Timothy is almost a full decade older than the rest of the cast, he’s pushing 34 and it shows.

Which of the cast actually look high schoolers? I mean Bryce, Tony and Zach all look 30.

Wow, this turned into a shitshow. There were so many storylines I almost checked IMDB to see if Ryan Murphy had joined the writing staff.

What’s up with the dreary coloring for modern scenes? I hate that

I managed to watch 2 full episodes and then basically had to skim through the rest it was that bad/tedious. The twist ending was also so fucking stupid - there is literally nothing left for them to try to squeeze out of this story.

I have to say Brandon Flynn is a standout actor though. He was by far one of the best things about this season. I really want to to see him in something else soon.

Just binge watched it and wow! Love the season, love the drama, but I am a bit conflicted about the ending and the cover up who gets framed for it in the end (as the guy at the end says "he was still a human being!").

At first, I liked the new character, Ani. But then, man, she becomes such a manipulative, entitled bitch.

IMO Tyler, Devin Druid, and Nora Walker, Brenda Strong, deserve at least Emmy nominations for their work this season. Tyler sharing his story with Clay was so fucking awkward and tense. I love the rather brief scene of Nora Walker and Olivia Baker.

The season managed to make me feel sorry for both Bryce and Monty.

Yes I think the actor who plays Tyler does such a good job with the heavy material he’s given. I believe he’s the youngest member of the cast too which is very impressive. I can really see him blowing up.

[quote]The season managed to make me feel sorry for both Bryce and Monty.

Cool, cool. We watched Bryce brutally rape both Hannah and Jess, and Monty's assault on Tyler should realistically have perforated his bowel and likely killed him. I'm glad we're supposed to feel sorry for them.

Probably couldn't enjoy eating steak any more, either.

Reactions like that make me realize it is a good thing the show did this r79.

People always want to dehumanize people, it's easier to see someone as a monster than as an actual human being, but even people who commit horrible acts are human beings. I mean even fuckin Hitler has his good side, he had a dog he loved and cherished for instance. It's not excusing or redeeming their actions, just living the truth of the human experience and not making it some childish Disney movie.

I think it is an important message for the show to deliver.

Bryce tried to become a better person and even helped Tyler. But that did not matter in the end though, because the characters had to have their own little problems and secrets they kept from each other. I imagine the next season is about how the guilt (of what happened to Bryce) will break them all apart.

I thought next season was about going off to college?

[quote]People always want to dehumanize people, it's easier to see someone as a monster than as an actual human being, but even people who commit horrible acts are human beings

But they'd always portrayed Bryce as complete remorseless psychopath. Now we're supposed to feel sorry for him because he was getting picked on for being a rapist (after raping a bunch of girls) at his new school.

Bryce raped MANY girls. Not just Jess and Hannah. He was a monster that got off on it. He loves power over others, mainly women.

His being bullied is nothing compared to what he put others through, including his GF.

[quote]Nora Walker, Brenda Strong, deserve at least Emmy nominations for their work this season

I am the true Nora Walker, bitches.

[Quote]His being bullied is nothing compared to what he put others through, including his GF.

Not that I've finished, but the show never tries to say it is. Nor do they to pretend it's all gone as he admits to Mr. Porter he has those same deviant urges he is trying to suppress.

People get really defensive that showing someone as a three dimensional human being is somehow excusing their behavior. I guess they want things simple and black and white but that's not real.

I’m ok with seeing him struggle etc. but I hate people feeling bad for him because he’s “bullied” for raping girls.

On to more DL-appropriate topics, did anyone else think that they were setting up Tony having feelings for Clay in S1? That they've never referenced again?

There was a moment after Clay (who is REMARKABLY dense) figured out that Tony is gay and the guy he kept seeing with him was a boyfriend where Tony remarks "I hope he's still my boyfriend" because of all the time he's been spending with Clay. Clay asks him "Because of the tapes right?"

Tony takes a LONG time to answer an affirmative.

Who cares if ugly ass Tony was into Clay or not? Clay isn’t gay so it wouldn’t matter, and even if he were I doubt he would want short midget fat ugly wannabe gangsta Tony.

How is it that every damn girl in that school and town, even the parents, were raped? Ridiculous

So I finished the season and man, I have some thoughts. So this is what happens when you take a show that was designed to be a one season story and stretch it out. The writers have to come up with new ways to raise the stakes, and it ends up taking your established characters to ridiculous places.

This was meant as a story about sexual assault, bullying and suicide. But this season the show turns into "How to Get Away With Murder" and our characters are celebrating how they successfully committed murder and were able to frame their homocide on an innocent party. I'm sure that would feel at home in say "Riverdale" (idk, never watched it), but in a show that started with a premise of this is a Very!Important!Show! about teen mental health it feels very off. Like this is a completely new show, because it is, as the show as envisioned was never supposed to run this long.

This show has courted controversy in the past, but this season was the only controversial one. I mean what message is it sending? Friends help friends murder ya'll! And I don't think TV needs to be about a good message, but this show painted itself into a corner that it was.

Friendly reminder that the core group of actors on this trash show are being paid $150K per episode.

I hated how the group put the murder on Monty (yes, hes awful and karma was bound to catch him but he didnt kill anyone) and then he ended up being killed in Prison. My heart sunk when the Detective told new girl that Monty was killed earlier that day in his Prison cell. He should have been in jail for what he did to Tyler, but he did not commit murder.

Alex is gonna pay eventually for that, and I cant even stand him.

The saddest part about Montys death is that he did not kill Bryce, and he was finally coming to terms with his sexuality, softening up. It was sad when his father asked him if hes a faggot and he said "sure" and his father spit in his face. He looked heartbroken.

And then he got murdered.

Hopefully the guy he was fucking speaks up about him being with Monty that weekend.

That ending pissed me off. I see some people happy Monty died because he is awful, which he is, but still.

They had friends who would lie for them and used a powerful and connected family to help cover up a horrible act they did. Pretty much what Bryce did.

Where were Sheri, Ryan, Marcus and Courtney this season?

Especially Sheri, who was a major character season 1 and still an important character season 2, even though her role was shrunk down because she was filming movies at the time.

Well Ryan, Marcus and Courtney were a year above the other characters and are gone from highschool by now. Courtney was in the flashback to the previous school year.

Bryce was a monster but he never murdered a person.

And he was trying to change. I hated how Jess treated him on the bridge and was even going to leave him there overnight with a broken leg and bleeding out. I know he raped you, and as someone who was sexually molested as a kid, I get it, but I still wouldnt leave them to bleed to death or freeze, especially if he truly was working on bettering himself.

I guess she was just pissed the Judge let him off.

Speaking of Sherry, wasn't a major plotline of the first season how she had to take responsibility for her (indirect) role in Jeff's death?

Now the show is down with covering up full blown murder.

I guess that is why she can't be around, the hypocrisy of the writing would be on full display.

Actually, Dylan Minnette aka Clay was paid $200k an episode for season 3.

Christian Navarro aka Tony was paid $135k per episode for season 3, and it goes up to $150k per episode for season 4, as hes confirmed to return for that season.

Alisha Boe aka Jess

Brandon Flynn aka Justin

Justin Prentice aka Bryce

Miles Heizer aka Alex

Ross Butler aka Zach

Devin Druid aka Tyler ... they were all paid $135k per episode.

Christian Navarro and Dylan Minnette are the only ones confirmed for a Fourth season, its unknown if they will keep all the rest or who from, as the characters will now be in college, or not in college but college age, so odds are they wont all be brought back for a fourth season.

That, and she and Clay had way more chemistry than he had with Hannah or Ani.

Yeah, Sheri would have not been okay with all that happened this season. She probably transferred schools after the mess of season 2 to get away from these psychos and that cursed school where only bad happens.

Unlike our repeat posted, I find Christian Navarro attractive, but would it have killed them to cast someone who was capable of looking comfortable with same-sex affection?

I feel like this is the first season I kinda bought Tony as gay, in the past seasons I agree I never did.

And actually this also the first season I kinda bought Alex as straight, season 1 he was flaming.

Yeah, hes so attractive (barf)

No one plays straight like this cutie opportunist

[Quote]its unknown if they will keep all the rest or who from, as the characters will now be in college

I imagine Season 4 will just cover the end of highschool for them. This season ended in Thanksgiving of their senior year. So it makes sense next season is the last one, finish off their time in high school.

R106 He honestly is more believable as straight than gay... Brandon IRL just comes off as a rent boy

There are already pictures of the core cast back on set (they’re filming season 4 now)... they’re all coming back to get that $$$.

Brandon Flynn has talent, I hope his career goes good places after this show. I guess if all else fails maybe Ryan Murphy will help him out, he does like to support gay talent.

I LOL'd when Tony had to remind the audience that he's supposed to be 18 years old. All I could think of is "what, in dog years?".

The least Jess could've done was to call Bryce an Uber or 911 to pick him up. And she could've still had her superior dignity as survivor. Instead, she's now complicit in a murder and had her friends cover it up. But hey, that's what friends are for, right?

[Quote]Brandon IRL just comes off as a rent boy

Justin now is officially a rent boy, I was happy the show went there that he was turning tricks for drug money. Too bad we couldn't see it.

Though I will say the weakest thing about his performance he is supposed to be this star athlete who is great at every sport, and Brandon Flynn doesn't look like one. When you had Alex complaining that he was just this skinny guy compared to athlete Justin, didn't quite work.

I think that's the genius of Brandon Flynn as Justin. He LOOKS like he doesn't belong there (that "fancy" public school, that privileged neighborhood, playing on the field, etc.). And that makes the character so self-conscious that anything can trigger him to go back to using again.

Oh yeah, another thing that bugged me. Zach beat the shit out of Bryce, broke his leg, and got rid of his cell phone and left him for dead...and the cops don't care?

No, Nora Walker would be going after him for attempted murder. Even if the cops had enough to believe Zach isnt guilty of homicide (though they would definitely suspect him of it at this point), that is not a we don't care and go about your day kind of thing. That is very serious.

Them just waving him away after learning that was absurd writing.

Zach must have connections to get away so easily.

Nora would be coming for Zachs head, but she probably doesnt know.

There are small, skinny guys that are very athletic.

The cops wouldn't even know that Zach hadn't killed him. The only damage that happened to Bryce after Zach was getting pushed into the water. Maybe Bryce tries to get up but due to his serious injuries ends up falling in. The cops have no way to know Zach isn't the party responsible. I mean it really makes no sense.

Maybe the cops felt sorry for Zach, because of his broken leg (and what it means for his future). And Alex's dad has a special interest in putting the whole thing to rest since further investigation could lead to his son.

Yes, the father seemed to be relieved the whole thing was over when telling his son. I wonder if he lowkey suspected his son was involved.

R119 He 100 percent knows his son did it... that’s why he burned those clothes.

The father burned evidence. He knows his son did it.

Well sure, but they let Zach go with no charges before the scene with Ani and Alex's dad. This was when they were still looking at Clay as the main suspect. And it was the Sheriff character who decides what Zach did somehow doesn't matter at all.

Obviously after the Ani scene, Alex's dad knows it is his son and goes along with their plan to frame Monty.

The gang, including Ani, knew about Monty was dead before Ani went to the cops and sold them the fake narrative. They used the dead guy as patsy.

Sorry, scapegoat, not patsy.

No, Ani finds out about Monty being killed from Alex's father during their talk.

They already knew, there is dialog with the group later talking about how they found out r125.

Thus the "let the dead bury the dead" plan was formed.

r126 i dont remember the dialogue that would imply they knew beforehand.

Exactly, that was Ani being unconvincingly surprised to hear of Monty's death in that interrogation room.

Alex's dad realized she already knew r128, he quickly picked up what was happening. Of course got to play the part for the recorder.

So what exactly happened to Monty? Suicide, hate crime (for being a gay rapist) , did he piss off someone in prison that quickly or did Nora Walker have him killed (no way did she know that early that he would be accused of murdering her son, right)?

What gets me is Charlie, who doesn't know these people, is happy to be complicit in COVERING UP A MURDER with them.

I get he doesn't like Monty after what he did to Tyler, but there is a huge leap from that getting involved in a fuckin homicide.

r131 it was to protect his son

I am talking about Charlie, the new football character r132.

He was shown planting the tape in Monty's locker, was part of the conspiracy.

Maybe Charlie hated Monty too. Monty was a dick.

I think Charlie is a survivor himself. I too thought it was strange how quick he was part of the inner circle.

If I found out about what Monty did to Tyler the previous year, I too would keep far away from that piece of shit.

Felony accessory after the fact. I wouldn't be committing felonies to obscure a murder investigation for anyone but the very closet people in my life.

It was another weird writing decision for me, this season had several.

Charlie became part of the group right after the assembly when he basically sucked Tyler's dick for being so brave (and Clay got arrested).

You can get seriously shitfaced when you play a drinking game and drink whenever someone says the line "You are so brave!".

7 eps in. I don't like Ani. She's a fucking busybody. And Hypocrite.

Ani is a mastermind in the end.

Ani is the absolute worst.

So, when did the group find out who murdered Bryce? Are we supposed to believe that it was when Ani figured it out (because of recognizing Bryce's shards and mirror analogy?)? The others should have been pissed that they were kept in the dark (and in cases like Tony added more drama to their already dramatic lives) for that long and not help to cover it up.

Unpopular opinion but I found Hannah to be the worst.

She was a crybaby and let any little thing get to her.

I loved Find The River as the closer on the soundtrack.

That non-binary SJW abuse survivor was somehow more unlikable than the serial rapist. Well done show.

[quote]That non-binary SJW abuse survivor was somehow more unlikable than the serial rapist. Well done show.

The writers must be DLers.

r145, I believe that's Bex Taylor-Klaus

Yes, r147.

She was on Scream The TV Series, and her acting was awful, Couldnt deliver a line. Shes much better now

[quote]Are we supposed to believe that it was when Ani figured it out (because of recognizing Bryce's shards and mirror analogy?)?

Ani figures out the truth, Ani figures out a plan to get out it, Ani executes the plan.

I mean honestly it is a little much, you take a brand new character and have them basically take over the show. I peaked over on the reddit for this show and a lot it was just bitching about Ani, predictable and hard to blame them.

Ani is getting bitched about on Twitter too.

But I am sure if she were white no one would care

There would be bitching no matter what race she was r150.

TV is about the characters, people get attached to the characters. You take a brand new character that your audience doesn't have a connection with, and there is no easing them end, they are just a front and center main character off the bat.

There is a reason shows don't typically do that.

What I hated about Ani was that she was so blunt about being a liar. When the narrator lets you know that she is a liar, like everybody else, you start to question everything she says and shows you. In the end it was done to let you know about Monty being framed in the narration while the truth is being shown.

R108 you obviously haven't seen his leaked sex tapes. The way he takes dick and loves it is deserving of an oscar nomination

them in*

Brandon Flynn doesnt have sex tapes

So Bryce and Monty have been comic book villains for the last 2 years and suddenly we're supposed to empathize with the cunts?

I think the message is about forgiveness and letting go. Alex and Jessica could not let go and committed a worse crime than Bryce. Tyler, still suffering from his rape, wanted to start a killing spree at the school dance. Clay saved him from that and through love and support from Clay and the others he was able to deal with the trauma and find the courage to share it with others and deal with the trauma in a non-destructive way.

Clay got into trouble, because he freaked out every time Bryce came up. He thought that Ani needed protection from Bryce, because to him she was Hanna 2.0, and we spend the entire season watching Ani trying to convince Clay that she isn't Hanna 2.0 and she can handle Bryce and Clay getting in deeper shit because he doesn't believe her and that it's up to him to protect her from the monster that is Bryce.

I am thankful this was not a Hannah centered season. I was so bored of her season 2 and found her a crybaby season 1.

Katherine Langford seems cool but I find her screen presence grating.

While I think the Hannah character was a very important and groundbreaking character she was a stupid cunt for thinking death was better than making the effort to finally admit that she was loved by Clay and her parents and that love and support could be enough for her to, at least, survive high school.

But then it's easy for me, a non (or no longer) depressed person, to say that.

So Zach needed to be injured by Bryce to have the anger to beat him. And it needed to be a leg so that Alex’s father would wonder if it could be his son who was at the crime scene. What bothers me is Zach literally jumps up and down on Bryce’s leg to break it, but he couldn’t stomp with his bad leg, nor could he steady himself on the injured leg to stomp with the good one? And he didn’t even bring the crutch, which I thought at first would have been what he beat his head in with.

I enjoyed this season. The finale was a bit much, though. Messy end to a very satisfying and needed 3rd season.

Ani was both very likable and very annoying. I grew to dislike her.

The season was about people helping each other, recognizing the pain we all inflict on others and making changes to stop the cycle. It was about healing and actively being there for others. This should have been season 2.

Brandon Flynn is not only fucking hot af, but a very good actor. The actor who plays Monty is hot af as well. I think we will get more of Monty's story in season 3. We will see more of what happened that weekend with Winston.

Dylan Minnette is hot asf as well. There is so much eye candy on this show. Miles, yes hot af, but that body! MH has been working out a bit. His body was nice. I like twinks with some muscle.

[Quote]and making changes to stop the cycle.

Yes, I guess murder is one way to stop the cycle.

The message of this season is if someone is your friend you should do any action for them, including covering up their attempted school shooting and framing someone else for their murder.

[quote] Miles, yes hot af, but that body! MH has been working out a bit. His body was nice. I like twinks with some muscle.

His ass was a nice surprise... he’s aging well. He looked really good this season.

R162 But they aren't perfect and I like that. They make horrendous mistakes.

Apparently the person who plays Ani had to put her Twitter on private and delete everything off her Instagram. Getting swarmed by people bullying her for ruining the show about the dangers of bullying.

I didn't particularly like the character, but man don't attack the actor, blame the writers if anything.

The actress who played Ani was actually really good. Her character just started doing stupid things and started to get really annoying towards the end. Yes, it is the writers, indeed.

Very sad to see they doubled down on Alex being straight. It is so funny that we have two openly gay actors on the show but only Brandon can convincingly play straight. Why not have Alex be at least bi? So stupid.

Alex was already established as straight. Monty went gay.

Stop bitching.

[quote] It is so funny that we have two openly gay actors on the show but only Brandon can convincingly play straight.

Who is the other openly gay actor this season? Miles is not out. .

R168 Are you aware this is a discussion board? Stop worrying about what others think if you get triggered.

They did miss the boat with Alex not being at least bi. MH cannot play straight (R169 he is all but out). However, I had a childhood friend who was pretty effeminate and was a complete pussy hound. He looked prettier than MH yet very straight.

Whose clothes did Alex's dad burn and how did that benefit Alex? I was confused about that piece of evidence.

R171 He burned Alex’s clothes that he wore the night of Bryce’s murder, to get rid of any evidence that might incriminate his son.

[quote]The actress who played Ani was actually really good. Her character just started doing stupid things and started to get really annoying towards the end. Yes, it is the writers, indeed.

I felt bad because I really liked the actress. Having her help "reboot" the show to move on from Hannah by being a natural "busy body" who is good at reading people worked. She was us trying to piece together what actually happened and then towards the end you're reminded that she's just as bad as everyone else. Just like Hannah she's also an unreliable narrator.

All of the characters in the show hate Bryce. So the only character that could humanize him (or at least try to) had to be one that didn't know any of the stuff that happened with him before.

I also loved the fact that since she wasn't originally intertwined with any of these people she could clearly point out that they all had issues including Clay. The character has always been messed up but everyone trusts him. She could clearly see why she shouldn't because she didn't have a history with him like everyone else.

Also Winston getting beat up after blowing Monty, fucking him later and then being upset that he died in prison is ridiculous. I wish Ani had of kicked him right there when he confronted her.

[quote]There would be bitching no matter what race she was

In this case this is true.

However, R151, the black actresses always seem to get it worse because people will start hurling racist insults at them left and right. They were up and down her instagram before she backed it up and moved it somewhere else.

[quote]Where were Sheri, Ryan, Marcus and Courtney this season?

Courtney was there at the beginning.

Ryan took a gap year and graduated.

Marcus got expelled because of the stripper video. Courtney became student counsel President because of it and mentioned it before she hands it over to Jess after she wins the election.

Zero word on Sheri but realistically the actress is everywhere so she probably wanted more money or was just busy.

[quote] Also Winston getting beat up after blowing Monty, fucking him later and then being upset that he died in prison is ridiculous.

This was insane and proof that there must be no gay men on the writing staff.

It makes more sense when you consider that all of that didn't happen within a week. The whole season is spread out over a year and goes back and forth (present and flashbacks).

Monty did apologize to Winston (for beating him up at the party) at the night of homecoming (where Bryce got murdered), and they made up and fucked. Monty did show potential that he could have changed IF circumstances around him (family situation, dealing with his internalized homophobia) would change, but it wasn't supposed to be (unlike with Tyler, Monty's victim). Another tragic figure in this teen Greek tragedy of a show.

Monty is the hot masculine jock type that many gay boys in highschool were drooling over. I can see easily see someone going back to him even after his aggressive outburst. Winston knows he was just lashing out because of his self loathing over accepting his sexuality, Monty apologized and we all know Winston still wants that D. Feels legit to me.

Clearly you all missed the scene where Bryce paid Winston off to not go to the police. $2k one day and $5k the next

Taking the money to not go to the cops, and deciding to take Monty back are two unrelated things r177.

[quote] Monty did show potential that he could have changed IF circumstances around him (family situation, dealing with his internalized homophobia) would change, but it wasn't supposed to be (unlike with Tyler, Monty's victim). Another tragic figure in this teen Greek tragedy of a show.

A "tragic figure" who smashed Tyler's head against a mirror, bashed it up against a sink multiple times, shoved his head in a toilet multiple times until he couldn't breathe, then had people hold him down while he [bold]shoved a mop handled up Tyler's ass repeatedly even as it was covered in blood.[/bold]

Let's not overlook that.

Monty is awful. Or was. He’s dead.

Kind of sad how he went though.

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[quote] Let's not overlook that.

r179. Nobody is overlooking that by pointing out that the show's intentions of humanizing both rapists Bryce and Monty.

Well it’s pretty realistic since all rapists are HUMANS with other shit going on besides rape. Well most.

The show, from the start, was pretty much all about the old saying "holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die". Hannah's tapes were all about others taking responsibility not only for their actions but for her actions (including her suicide) as well.

I am not trying to minimize the action of the likes of Bryce, but the show does make a point that the victims get hurt further by holding on to the trauma, the hate, and the resentment towards their attackers. Tyler found ways to deal with the trauma and did become a survivor who was able to deal and cope with the trauma and let others touch him again. Has he fully recovered? Very likely not, but he is in a better place than when he attempted to kill everybody at the dance.

Do you think Jessica and Alex were in a better place when they met Bryce at the pier?

[Quote]So what exactly happened to Monty?

He was conveniently killed for the sake of the plot.

Monty wasn't in prison. He would have been held in the county jail til he bailed out/went to trial. Given what we have seen of their fairly wealthy county, I don't imagine it is a scary place where guys are getting shanked. It's not max security prison.

Where is the love for Ross Butler? The show even acknowledges how good looking he is, and yet he gets no love. Do assholes like Bryce really get all the girls just because he has the money?

R186 I was a bit skeeved out by Ross’ relationship with Chloe in that it was just like Hannah where he swooped in on these damaged girls that his other friends had used and broken and then made them keep the relationship on the down low. They paint him as a good guy, but there’s something disturbing about that.

[quote]Nobody is overlooking that by pointing out that the show's intentions of humanizing both rapists Bryce and Monty.

R182, pointing out that Monty apologized to Winston while glossing over what he did to Tyler, which Monty then followed up with telling Tyler it was Bryce who orchestrated it (which Bryce claims he didn't do) is what was overlooked.

R186 It really doesn’t make sense that Zach has difficulty getting girls. It’s also stupid that Alex is supposed to be some unfuckable incel just because he’s skinny... he’s still good-looking and there’s tons of girls who like skinny emo boys.

I had the same thought about his relationship with Hannah/Chloe r187, but hey, its consistent characterization which is nice.

The Monty by the end of the season probably would have apologized to Tyler r188, of course he is dead now so we'll never know.

[quote] all rapists are HUMANS with other shit going on besides rape

Yeah not the 13rw ones. S1 and 2 they just raped and had no lives outside that, they had a problem they just committed another rape. To suddenly decide these young men are fully formed human beings in the season you kill them just to try and make me give a shit is bad writing.

I'm not sure what your link is trying to prove r192, that Bryce is turned on by rape? I mean that hasn't changed, he openly talks about that this season to Mr. Porter. And Monty is a side character, but we have always known there is more to Bryce's personality. Justin and him have been besties since they were children, Justin has talked about how much Bryce has been a brother to him. It's why the Jessica rape so was devastating for him.

R192 I disagree. It’s not that they didn’t have problems, it’s that we didn’t see them.

And Zach probably doesn’t get as many girls as other guys because he’s Asian. Or did you not realize he’s Asian?

Most women I know aren’t attracted to most Asian guys.

It is kind of 13RW's ammo that they introduce character twists. All the characters, including Clay, have darker, unlikable, sides.

Being outraged that 13RW presents Bryce in a different light all of a sudden is like "WTF? That shocks you after watching the previous episodes and seasons?".

I like that scene of Nora teaching Bryce Yoga.

I think 13RW is fucked up in a good way showing us bullies having the chance for redemption and the ways they fuck it up, because they don't know any better (old habits die hard).

R167 Literally what I thought. I was like "so they're still trying to convince us that Alex is straight huh." Like, there is no way in hell I believe Alex is straight. I feel like the writers have seen all the criticism online about Alex not being convincingly straight. Instead of doing the obvious thing, making Alex bi/gay, they doubled down on his masculinity, to show how straight and masc he is, ugh. His juicing and anger this season was not believable at all. Miles is not the best actor in the world. He can't play straight and he certainly can't play an angry masc dude bro, which was what the writers were going for.

I think Miles and Christian are probably the weakest of the main cast. I'd probably put Justin Prentice and Brandon Flynn at the top.

Brandon Flynn is fantastic. He’s so natural, too. Very talented young man.

He’s the strongest, imho, out of the guys.

I feel Jess is really good too.

I’m sorry but I actually laughed out loud at the fact Winston and Monty have those stan accounts making videos of them lmao

Lol, that romantic music, there was nothing romantic about Monty and Winston. It was just primal lust, hey stranger, let's fuck.

R198 I feel like those two are praised the most

I found Tylers story end last season to be really disturbing, so am glad he had a redemption BUT COME ON! The horrible message sent there was mindblowingly bad. Clays little disclaimer hardly undid that horrible writing. The texts, the witnesses, the babysitting schedule, and school counseling!?! So believable!

Trying to humanize Bryce made sense to a degree but to change who he was fundamentally as a human was unrealistic to say the least. It got too gratuitous towards the end. It also seemed sloppy to do the same to Monty, especially in what is one or two episodes? I thought that the Tyler/assault scene was enough to speak to his repressed sexuality and obsession in NOT 'loving' his friends. In an immature way the logic makes sense, which doesn't equate justice, so again the message is screwed. The rush to rationalize the warm body for the plot worked out for this group, was opportunistic and leaves Alex as a livewire.

I think that the empathy the show tried to build towards enemies is emblematic of the societal need for empathy, but rationalizing a prison death was a shite way to do it.

And why is Anis word unimpeachable? That's annoying me almost more than anything, as trivial as that may seem WTF?!?

[quote]And why is Anis word unimpeachable?

It's not. The cops will be able to prove that Monty told Charlie to lie about his alibi, and they will find a cassette with Bryce's blood on it in his locker.

Sure it's weak and circumstantial, but Monty is dead and won't protest and more importantly Alex's father is on their side to push for that conclusion.

There were a lot of holes but this season was far better than season 2. They seemed to rush the ending all to have every bit of twist in one episode. It led to sloppy writing.

I think Ani telling Alex's sheriff dad what she did was intended to convey she told HIM on purpose since he would want to believe what she said because it cleared his son.

I would not have minded being Winston for the blow job scene or the getting plowed by Monty scene. Monty is sexyyyy. All the pent up sexual frustration! He said he wanted to go at it again so he probably fucked Winston all weekend.

Winston's hole couldn't say no to this.

Winston was very Timmyesque.

Winston is cute. I like that he forgave Monty when he apologized. He could tell he was sincere.

[quote]Trying to humanize Bryce made sense to a degree but to change who he was fundamentally as a human was unrealistic to say the least. It got too gratuitous towards the end. It also seemed sloppy to do the same to Monty, especially in what is one or two episodes?

I think Jessica was talking about the whole season and all their motivations when she was telling that one girl that things were "complicated" in response to why she was sleeping with Justin after what he did last year. The same would go for Ani still sleeping with Bryce knowing that he raped at least two women. Or Justin still turning to drugs while living with a good family.

Looking back on the season they did a good job with Bryce. He can do things like try and get Monty to stay away from Tyler or tell his dad that he was going to spill it about his affair during the divorce but he's also still saying horrible things to Zack at the end which helped lead to his death. I think to some it feels "wrong" to try and humanize him but I don't think know if saying that they wanted to "humanize" him is the right term. I think maybe saying that they wanted us to realize he's "complicated."

I hate to use internet jargon but it feels like they wanted us to "feel both things" re: Bryce had a screwed up home life and he's also a rapist. Clay is obsessive about women and he's a good friend. Justin is loyal and he's also a drug addict who let his friend Bryce rape his then girlfriend Jessica. Alex may have tried to kill himself but he's also now a killer himself.

Realistically though, Monty had a screwed up childhood and is also a homophobe who assaulted another student and then continued to threaten him. The only person on his side is a guy he fucked once but didn't really know. That's where the show fails. Sure he admitted he was gay to his dad. Sure he apologized to a guy he beat up after he blew him. He didn't start to try and change or have a come to Jesus moment with Tyler. He needed that.

Bryce did some horrible things at the end including breaking Zach's leg on purpose, ruining his career. So, while they did try to show people are human and do horrible things, they aren't all bad. Bryce was not redeemed but it showed he was capable of it.

I think the show did a great job conveying that message because, like real life, it left things really messy just like real life.

We don't know the full weekend Monty had with Winston. We may well get to see Monty break down and have real intimacy with Winston and some redemption.

The kid who plays Winston has the most beautiful eyelashes I've ever seen on a human being.

Ani was helping out at the anti rape protest as an "ally" literally 5 seconds after kissing a known rapist.

Such a likable character.

Her fucking Bryce was very disturbing but 90% of DL wanted to fuck that guy who killed his wife and 2 daughters so.........

But in a show where everyone instantly forgives a murderer and an attempted mass murderer, it becomes hypocritical to say Ani can't forgive a rapist.

They have the cast trying to do damage control for the writers fucking up with the Ani character

No one said Ani couldn't forgive Bryce. To fuck him is another thing and he wasn't completely redeemed at all. For one thing, she took a huge risk. She saw he was still very capable of violence. It was incredibly stupid and hurtful so we can call her out on it and also know she fucks up like everybody else.

It's impossible to snap your fingers and become a changed person just like that. What they showed with Bryce was that, when he was triggered (finding out that his girlfriend had an abortion, and she's now dating Zach) or Ani telling him that she doesn't want to be with him) or physically hurt (like Zach left him with a broken arm and broken leg) the old Bryce came back whether he wanted it or not. Like with Justin's addiction all it takes is some trigger and you are right back in your self-destructive "comfort zone", because the new ways and methods to deal with stress, being triggered or hurt have not yet established themselves.

This show is terribly written and I’m only watching to see how much worse it can get. I say this full of all the self-awareness these characters sorely lack.

[quote] The Monty by the end of the season probably would have apologized to Tyler

Or bitched at him for causing trouble (getting him into prison, getting him into trouble with his homophobic dad, him not being able to hook up with Winston anymore, etc.). For some it's always someone else's fault when they are in deep shit.

Alex and Zach should have been a couple.

I think it was implied that Monty spent all weekend with Winston after homecoming so I expect next season we'll see some flashbacks to that, Monty beginning to come to terms with his sexuality before he died.

I think the big mistake they made with Ani was making her a new central character and the narrator all at once. Having someone new come in and tell you all about these characters you've followed for two seasons was very grating. If they'd kept her character the same but had someone else narrating I think she'd be getting a lot less flack.

R219 Agreed. People were pissed at Zach/Chloe being teased in the promo (even though they ended up platonic friends) and a majority of comments were wanting "Zalex" instead. S2 was the perfect setup for them to realize they had feelings for each other. Alex's boners, describing Zach when trying to make himself sound hot... Jess is the only girl he's interested in and he's terrible at sex. Plus Miles has a habit of looking at his male costars' mouths during intense scenes.

I can see why Winston and Monty are so popular among the teens watching. It has everything, infatuation, love, angst, coming out. Two hot guys fucking. It's basically a fanfic come to life. I too think the story was good, for a moment I forgot that Monty was a bad person. I think Winston was the first person to actually care about him.

It would have made more sense if it was Alex and Monty. They wouldn't have had to invent a gay character.

The new kid Charlie came across as so gay to me. I was shocked when Monty turned out to be the gay one and not Charlie, or Alex for that matter.

There are a lot of feminine straight men now. And a lot of masculine gay men.

So... Justin made a desl with Seth. Seth violated parole and us back in prison. Seth kills Monty for Justin.

Ani asked for water, cop leaves, she gets a txt with a codeword knows the job is done and Monty us now safe to frame.

So they actually covered up two murders.

Right?

The thought crossed my mind that maybe there was a conspiracy in Monty's death, but Justin arranging his murder seems like a step too far for this show. I mean how ridiculous are we going to get.

The snow jumped the shark this season.

However, I still enjoyed it more than season 2

That's a good summation. I thought this season was an absurd jump to "How To Get Away With Murder: High School Edition", but I still enjoyed the process of watching it more than watching season 2.

R223 When Winston asked Alex if he was lost at Bryce’s party I for sure thought he was trying to fuck him.

Alex is straight. Get over it.

I would not mind the entire male cast of 13RW to run a train on me. And I am not really a btm.

Hottest guys 1. Justin 2. Zach 3. Clay 4. Monty 263. Getting hit by a bus 264. Bryce

R233 Alex????

All those guys and Miles can have my ass.

Some pics from the s3 cast party. Observations: Miles has a very pretty face; Brandon Flynn is also fine af; Does Devin Druid (Tyler)... that's one white ass boy.

Miles is gorgeous but he isn't a very good actor.

Brandon looked better this season than 1 or 2.

[Quote]And I am not really a btm.

R236 I guess Ani has already gone into hiding

That One Million Moms cunt is trying to organize a boycott. I've never seen the show, but that alone makes me want to watch it.

Yep, my takeaway from those pictures is Devin who plays Tyler is pale as fuck r236.

Caucasian. VERY Caucasian.

He is NOT white adjacent. He's what we call Hitler white.

The season was sloppy. Zach not getting charged? And the case getting dropped so quickly based on Monty committing the murder with no proof he even did it? And I'm not defending rapists, but it seems like a bit of a cop-out to neatly kill off both of the show's rapists in order to bring resolution to the victims. There was an actual murder committed, and people are content to scapegoat them in order to protect the killer?

It would have made a better finale if one of them actually achieved real redemption.

Zach getting charged would have prolonged everything and the Sheriff, knowing his own son did it, probably wanted everyone to move on so he could finally get around to burning that pesky evidence.

He would also know that Bryce hurt a lot of people and Monty wasn't that much better.

This show is pretty clear in pointing out that the parents do care about their kids even if the kids avoid ever talking to them about anything when they should. Although it comes off as silly when Clay, who has the most open parents in the world, still won't go to them when he should while it would make sense with Jessica (air force dad), Ani (stay out of everyone's business mom), Zach (traditional strict mom) and Alex (my dad is the law.)

[quote] It would have made a better finale if one of them actually achieved real redemption.

Doesn't Tyler count? At the end of last season he was close to commit a school shooting. A lot of hard work and commitment from the others, and he got his own photo art exhibition at the cafe.

Hey guys. Turns out rapists (both of whom could reasonably be charged with attempted murder.) Are actually misunderstood victims.

You know who the real villains are? Those shitty SJW feminists... They're just like Westbro Baptist Church!

R247 I'd say Tyler was redeemed. . Let us count the clichés

1. The homophobic bully is really gay 2. Sexually active girl has never thought of masturbating 3. Asian kid does math for people.

R248 It pissed me off that yet another gay character turned up dead. Yes, I know Monty was a bad person. He still didn't deserve to die. He deserved to go to prison for what he did, but killing him off is a step too far. Also, once again we have gay characters played by straight actors. Can't they find gay actors to play gay roles? I expected more from Netflix. At least they're doing a better job with The Politician, where out gay Ben Platt is in the main role.

R250 are you really bitching?

You’re crying that they have straight actors playing gay but not bitching that they have gay actors playing straight.

They’re clearly doing that on purpose.

Their gay actors are playing straight roles, though only one of them convincingly.

Speaking of, Brandon Flynn got exponentially hotter this season. I choose to believe it’s because of the dick he was getting at home (we know whose it was)

R252 - who are their other gay actors, besides Flynn?

...seriously? Miles Heizer who plays Alex obviously.

Though he wasn't in this season but season 1-2 also had Tommy Dorfman who played Ryan.

3 gay guys in the main cast, how often you do ever see that.

So no hot ones.

Let's not forget guest stars like Robert Gant and Wilson Cruz.

This was hot.

Part 2

Season 4 prediction.

Clay goes insane

Clay coming out as gay or bi would be nice. He has real intimacy issues with girls.

It looks like there was a good 4 weeks of so from the homecoming game to the last shot at Thanksgiving. I think Winston and Monty spent a lot of time together during those 4 weeks and we will see that play out next season. Monty is effing HOTTTTT.

Have the girls already started writing Monty/Winston fic? -might check some out later.

Also they couldn’t have tried to be a little more subtle than making the new gay kid’s name be “Winston” ?

I thought Monty's football friend was going to be his fuck buddy or down low boyfriend.

r259 Insane? I'm not insane. Isn't that right ghosts of Hannah, Bryce and Montgomery?

Clay isn’t gay. Intimacy issues aren’t always about sexuality. Sometimes it’s deeper issues.

Clay isn’t gay ... but would I have liked to see a pseudo-incest storyline between him and Justin? Sure.

Clay's intimacy issues and control issues stem from his first love committing suicide. He's terrified to lose anyone else. Also I'm guessing By ghost Bryce's tirade about being " reborn into the bodies of a million men." They Clay will not take well to College Frat house culture.

This might sound weird but. I'd kinda like to see an Asexual character. Just sitting there in the mist of all the hot young bodies and rampant hormones. Eating Doritos and watching TV with no idea what the drama is all about.

Are Clay's parents the most liberal understanding parents in all of TV history with the stuff they let him get away with? Even The OC's Sandy Cohen didn't adopt an almost adult junkie.

They adopted Justin because his mom was nowhere to be found, so they did that so they can call the shots and help him.

And 18 is legally an adult but that’s a kid still in reality.

In real life people have adopted older teens.

All the parents in this show act completely ridiculous and irresponsible. Their kids basically just come and go at will doing all kinds of shit. Same for the parents in Euphoria on HBO.

When I was a senior in highschool I was largely coming and going as I pleased. Not that I was some wild child, but I probably could've been

My parents were like Anis mom.

Fuckers.

Quizz time DL! Which of the kids were you most like in highschool?

Unfortunately I identify most with Tyler ( aka the only realistic teenager on the show.)

If parents let their teens, at that age, come and go as they please they are really bad parents and are asking for major trouble.

In a matter of months a highschool senior will be off in college living on their own. Teaching your child to be independent is an important part of being a parent.

R274 with that philosophy you would raise a helpless brat.

They're seniors at this point aren't they? Granted this school is a bigger Hellmouth than Sunnydale with all the shit going on. But you can't treat 17/18 year old's like children.

"Your child will be perfectly safe here at Liberty High sir. Our rape rate is only 5 times the national average. "

A senior year isn't the time to let your teen "do whatever they want" so I disagree with some of you. And not all kids go off to college. Most don't. They get jobs and are slowly allowed more freedom as they age. I'm a millennial and my parents, even home for the weekends from college, expected me to live under their rules. Almost every person I knew who had lax parents got into bad situations.

r277 "and only two of our students have been murdered out of nearly a thousand!"

Liberty High- check out our suicide rate while you're at it! Attempted and successful! You can't beat our rates!

I'm sure in a lot schools the kids don't go off to college and a lot get jobs and stay at home, but in this type of upper middle class environment going off to college is what is expected. And we aren't talking commuter schools, this is dorm life college.

13 Reason Why I'd let most of the male cast pull a train on me.

Deaken, the guy who plays Winston, has been on set filming for S4.

Not surprising, but nice to have confirmation they aren't just dropping that Monty plotline.

Is everyone going to be attending Evergreen University?

[quote]Felony accessory after the fact. I wouldn't be committing felonies to obscure a murder investigation for anyone but the very closet people in my life.

Many already participated conspiracy to cover up an attempted school shooting by someone they were not friendly with (which might have facilitated a mass-murder). They like danger.

[quote]He burned Alex’s clothes that he wore the night of Bryce’s murder, to get rid of any evidence that might incriminate his son.

How did he know which clothes Alex wore that night?

This season was so convoluted and outlandish. Creating the Ani character to serve the exposition made no sense. She just moved to town a few months prior, yet she’s BFF with the entire principal cast and seems to know all their intimate secrets, yet when the plot calls for it, says she really doesn’t know anything about the Hannah Baker saga. Then she sleeps with Jessica’s rapist. The whole “humanizing Bryce” storyline was hamhanded and awkward, especially all the shit with his mother. It seems like this season they went completely off the rails and just tried to throw any and all issues that are pertinent to teenagers and crowbar them into the story. Monty is gay and on the DL. Clay has mental issues. Tyler got raped and almost shot up the school. Tony’s family got deported. Justin is a junkie again. I mean COME ON. I can only imagine how insane season 4 is going to be.

I get the Ani hate, but which existing character could have handled the exposition device of the police interview?

r288, Jessica, duh. It would have given it also a more sinister "covering up your own involvement" angle with Jess knowing that the cop would rather accept her version of the story than the one that paints his own son as murderer.

But Jessica would have no insights into the Walkers.

r290, and? She could've made that up the same way Ani made up how Bryce died. In the end all that mattered was to come up with a narrative that draws attention away from what really happened.

Will Winston be next season’s Ani? He’ll infiltrate the group by presenting hole at every turn and then he’ll find out the truth and be able to get justice for Monty!!!

Next season I want to see Tyler and Alex fall in love.

R292 You joke, but he will probably be the narrator. The gay kid taking down all the Liberty kids one by one.

I know that nothing much more shocking could be featured on this show, but I don't think that a plausible storyline could possibly make me feel like the guy who was serially forcibly sodomizing other young men with wood broom handles, was just another good soul struggling to cope with abuse. Its going beyond cliche, but I'll still wind up watching it.

He was a cutie and Winston is gorgeous but this is encroaching on Ryan Murphy territory in the continuity/plausibility departments.

Is the new actor gay?

R296 nah I think this is his gf