The cast of Netflix Boys in the Band in costume

Some deathfat trolls here are so obsessed about Matt Bomer's weight. If he were an anorexic, you, madame OP, would be a fatally obese walrus.

Does this movie really need to be remade? It still stands as as pretty great piece of social commentary without a bunch of 2010s actors aping it shot for shot.

Why can’t Netflix make Take Me Out?

Who plays the pockmarked Jew fairy?

Zachary Quinto

[quote]Does this movie really need to be remade?

Is it a remake of the movie or just a filmed version of the stage play?

Insipid.

It's not just filming the play r6, it's a movie adaptation.

Matt Bomer looks fine. Not too skinny. Not as hot as he was in the Magic Mike movies though.

Did they recast Carver or is he in the move as well?

Sorry, I meant did they recast the role Carver had in the play, or is he in the movie as well?

He is in the movie.

Charlie Carver is cute and all, but he is a definite stretch to play a hunky rentboy picked out for a friend's birthday.

It's a lousy play, I'm surprised they are still getting such mileage out of it. Does ANYBODY actually LIKE the play?

It's a great time capsule, otherwise I don't think it was ever that good.

[quote] Does ANYBODY actually LIKE the play?

No and I think they knew that when the play was staged as a revival so they spun it as a time capsule that we "must" revisit while occasionally saying that the "bitchiness" of the characters towards one another at times was still "relevant."

A broader audience isn't going to be as kind: especially when "Sheldon" starts calling the black actor an N word on camera. It's just an easy project for Murphy to produce under his deal and for Joe Mantello to direct since they've already done it before.

R9, Yeah, Matt Bomer was in his mid/early 30s when they shot the first Magic Mike. He's pushing towards 42 now.

R16 he still looks great on the second one. He seems less interested in being muscular and is staying on the skinny side. Still attractive either way.

R17, Yeah but that was shot only 2-3 years later he was still in his mid 30s.

I'm actually happy he's getting older and is starting to look it rather than like Courtney Cox before she had them undo all of her fillers and fix her face. While he was insanely handsome in his youth, I like this version of him. I'm sure this actually will help him. He looks more approachable.

I also have zero doubts that their "group" dinner for White Collar months ago and this new interest from the creator in bringing it back etc. means that they've probably found a way they could do it which means he'll be pretty well booked even beyond his next two projects.

LOL no one is going to buy a reboot of that.

Bomer looked like he was in his twenties when he was in his thirties (White Collar & MM) and he looks like he’s in his thirties now (BITB stage door last summer). Pretty good!

How were they are available on short notice to film this? Are their careers wavering because they are gay and they have no future projects?

Rannalls got fat as fuck

R21 the film has been planned pretty much since the play ended last August (Ryan Murphy wanted to make it into a film before the play even began its run). I think that's a relatively long enough time for people to arrange their schedules lol Bomer, Quinto, Rannells and Parsons all have projects planned once this is finished.

Is there a cameo for me?

I didn't get to see the Broadway revival, mainly because I don't live in New York and I'm piss poor, so I'm really excited about this!

I'm concerned about the way Robin De Jesus looks in these pix. I really don't remember him having a beard in the Broadway production, and it seems really wrong for the character of Emory, and for the period.

[quote] I'm concerned about the way Robin De Jesus looks in these pix. I really don't remember him having a beard in the Broadway production, and it seems really wrong for the character of Emory, and for the period.

A beard wrong for the 1960s?

Yes, completely wrong for that type of character in the 1960s. Are you not familiar with THE BOYS IN THE BAND?

R19, they rebooted Full House, Charmed, Hawaii 5-0 and Murphy Brown. They will reboot White Collar if Disney and NBC Universal can come to an agreement especially with all these streaming services launching that need original content.

R20, he looks good but he looks 40. He was wearing 17 layers of makeup at the stage door.

R22, I didn't want to be the one to say it but yeah. He has packed it on quite a bit.

[quote] Yes, completely wrong for that type of character in the 1960s. Are you not familiar with THE BOYS IN THE BAND?

Yes I am.

Being wrong for the 1960s and wrong for that character at that time, are 2 different things.

We all grow old, Matt Bomer does very well, he looks handsome, he's thin, but he feels toned, don't expect him to be like Magic Mike.

Disney now owns White Collar and they have more than enough content for their services.

[quote]Being wrong for the 1960s and wrong for that character at that time, are 2 different things.

They're two different things, but they go together in this case. Emory is a very flamboyant gay man, a nellie queen, and I don't think someone like that would have had a beard in the 1960s. Maybe today, but not back then. At least, not the type of beard that Robin De Jesus has in the picture I was referring to.

Rannells looks pregnant. He was never that thin, but he’s really let his body go. His bottom buttons are seriously pulling from how tight their pulled. Yikes.

R32 there's a petition to bring back the show but it has less than 10K signatures. Doubt the network is jumping over itself for that.

R35 The transmission platforms need content, White Collar is a good series, it could come back not because of the requests on a page, but because it would be a good business.

Unfortunately for WC it was not owned by Warner Brothers, which is pulling reboots out of its ass (Family Matters, Step by Step) for HBO Max

WC is now owned by Disney and Disney has more than enough content for Hulu, and wants Disney+ for its own intellectual property

Of course Netflix would choose to produce Boys in The Band. It has the most gay stereotypes. Why would they pass on the opportunity to stereotype gay men???

R37 It depends who owns White Collar, could return the cast in another series with another name giving continuity to the characters. With so many channel mergers, streaming, etc. 'Will And Grace' ends one would think it would follow.

R37 It depends who owns White Collar, could return the cast in another series with another name giving continuity to the characters. With so many channel mergers, streaming, etc. 'Will And Grace' ends one would think it would follow.

Disney owns White Collar. I just told you, asshole.

r4 is an anti-Semite.

Shun him gals!

[quote]Disney owns White Collar. I just told you, asshole.

R41, They were Fox Studios (Disney) for NBC Universal (USA Network) as has been said multiple times by the cast. They'd both have to agree to let them bring it back or one would have to pay for it.

NBCUnivseral is also launching a streaming service and they have no original content announced as of yet other than things they already own that have aired on USA Network/Sky TV and NBC! They made it clear they're buying new content just yesterday for their launch in April of 2020.

Also Hulu doesn't have that many original shows. There are less than 10 and half of them aren't airing right now with a couple going into their last season.

Please stop talking out of your ass.

R43 ultimately, it depends on whether the network or streaming service thinks it would be a good investment to bring the show back in some form or the other. If they know they'll get huge streaming/viewership numbers than they would totally do it. Something like Will & Grace wasn't a risk for a studio as they knew it would get decent numbers as it was such a cultural phenomenon. White Collar was a good show but I wonder if studios think there is an appetite for it outside of some hard-core fans. You just never know. Maybe there is stuff going on in the background and talks with execs.

FFS Comcast has no claim on White Collar just because it aired on one of its networks years and years ago. No such rule exists once a show is cancelled. That's why cancelled shows are shopped immediately after they are cancelled.

Fucking moron.

There’s always a market for a smart series with attractive characters. Bomer wasn’t the only appeal. They need a good premise for the story to evolve though. Peter chases Neal across Europe? Neal returns to NY?

There was nothing "smart" about White Collar, it was simple fluff entertainment, not The Wire.

[quote]FFS Comcast has no claim on White Collar just because it aired on one of its networks years and years ago. No such rule exists once a show is cancelled. That's why cancelled shows are shopped immediately after they are cancelled.

R45, Actually they do. Do you get tired of being wrong?

This literally just happened. One Day at a Time was produced by Sony Pictures but aired on Netflix.

Once Netflix cancelled the show Sony tried to shop the show around ... and CBS wanted it ... but they were [bold]blocked by Netflix because of their contract even after Netflix had cancelled the show.[/bold]

Sony, CBS and Netflix had to come to an agreement for the show to continue on another network.

Lucifer moved from Disney/Fox to Netflix but they had to get permission from NBCUniversal's Hulu because Hulu had their streaming rights.

Shows are distributed by networks but produced by studios and also acquire various other rights like syndication, streaming and international airing. Sometimes two competing studios come to an agreement and a show can move. Sometimes they don't without financial compensation. Sometimes a show is cancelled and while another entity might want to bring the show back the network, studio or their grandmother who syndicates the show might not want them to do that. So you have shows that are airing on services like Netflix being pulled so they can run out their contracts with the studio so they can then be aired somewhere else.

Class dismissed.

Let White Collar RIP.

Stupid dumbass, you are talking about a show from years before the streaming wars. Netflix has very different rules from anything White Collar May have had from 2009 to 2014.

R48 Yikes. I mean I think most people would agree that it's probably a little trickier to bring it back due to studio rights or multple studio/streaming services involved. It would be nice to see a few episodes again and it's definitely a possibility but equally, it wasn't like the show was cancelled after two/theee seasons. Six (or five and a half) seasons is a decent run for a TV show. Far superior shows have gotten cancelled much sooner. Yes it was a cop out to have such a short last season but it's more than a lot of shows get. If a reboot happens then that's great but if it doesn't, some fans really need to move on.

Cunt off about White Collar you fat stinking cunts, NOBODY HERE CARES

Rannalls got so FAT

R51, I don't disagree. I just hate it when people start talking "stuff" about this industry as if it's fact and start spreading misinformation while also slinging insults at people.

The ratings weren't great the last season but the only benefit it has is the cancellation wasn't ratings related. I'd just be happy if all of them get to work anywhere.

Rannalls always looks like he is trying to look like an escort, but his weird, waxen face always screws that up. Not hot. Gross.

R54 Rannells always had a pretty regular body no? I don't really remember him being super fit? I saw the play last year and he looked the same. Had a bit of a belly.

R53 it's all just rumours and Chinese whipers when it comes to the industry. Perhaps the creators are trying to get some sort of reboot but who knows? It could happen but I don't think there's as big of an appetite for it except for hardcore fans. Time will tell. Although his fans begging him to sign and share a petition is a bit much.

The actors are talented, they are not 20 years old, they are hired for their talent, not their physical appearance, Rannells sings amazing and is a good actor, Parsons is a great talent, Bomer is very talented.

Tuc looks fantastic.

Actors aren't hired for physical appearance? Are you insane?

And I disagree about Rannells. All he can do is act bitchy. His voice is high, sure, but is it amazing? More cartoony. Very high, which isn't usual but it's just a cartoony voice. You couldn't put him into many musicals when you think about it.

A critical analysis.

oops

Oops, what? Someone did a podcast about Boys in the Band?

Casting with gay men. How outre!

[Quote]they are hired for their talent, not their physical appearance

Your physical appearance is a crucial part of being an actor and always has been. You are cast if you look the part and you can act the part. Both are important.

R55, for the most part he's always been pretty thin to average. He started to gain weight after he finished Girls when he had nude scenes and he's slowly been ballooning up ever since to the beer belly he has now. You could tell he was trying to hide it during his book tour with over-sized blazers. He just strikes me as a person that never has had to learn how to work out since it was never required for what he was doing and now that he's getting older he has no idea what to do and he may not even have the discipline.

[quote] they are hired for their talent, not their physical appearance,

They're hired for both but their physical appearance is key or else actors wouldn't gain and lose weight to fit roles they choose, they wouldn't obsess over their looks with creams and surgeries and several cast members there wouldn't have had the roles that they've had in the past that have made their careers. Quinto, Bomer and Parson's don't have careers where their roles were interchangeable. Roles like Spock, Neal Caffrey and Sheldon Cooper all leaned on their unique looks.

Trying to think what character Rannalls is playing as none of the characters are described as having gotten fat as he has given up hope

Rannells is, humorously, playing Larry. The sexy one. It didn’t make sense when he was thinner. Really doesn’t make sense now!

I definitely noticed it during the play last year as I think his stage clothes looked really tight and ill fitted. He's in his 40s now so I'd say it's harder to lose the weight, especially if he was never much of a gym person. On the flip side, Tuc Watkins is in his 50s and looks in fantastic shape.

R66 Laaarrrry, he is not. In any dimension. He is an Emory or nothing

Or just don’t cast him. Haven’t we seen the full extent of his “skills”? Maybe there is something else he should be doing with his time.

Some of the reviewers last year said that they thought the play was a little miscast but one in particular said that they had no idea why Rannells was there. Quite harsh.

matt so hot, could eat him alive.....hell theyr all great.

I saw the play bak in the day, 1970 I think, so good. was a real sensation...

R69 / R70, I think when a couple of the actors made the point that they would not have done the Netflix movie if they didn't use all the same cast there had to of been talk about recasting a couple of them with bigger names or actors that better fit the part.

R67, oh yeah, even if that final scene from the play revival where he and Tuc's characters take off their shirts to make out on Andrew was clearly hiding his stomach and the lights going down upstairs helped as well.

And yes, Tuc definitely knows what he's doing. He was once pretty ripped and probably knows how to get close to that on his own now even years later.

Donald should not be 42.

[quote]Of course Netflix would choose to produce Boys in The Band. It has the most gay stereotypes. Why would they pass on the opportunity to stereotype gay men???

Netflix didn't choose to produce Boys in The Band. They signed a multi-million dollar production deal with Ryan Murphy and he chose it. Just like he chose the Broadway musical "The Prom" and doing the Sarah Paulson series "Ratched" based on the Nurse from Cuckoo's Nest.

[quote]Charlie Carver is cute and all, but he is a definite stretch to play a hunky rentboy picked out for a friend's birthday.

You live in a fantasy world.

Ratched is from his old deal at Fox.

It’s funny that some guys think the characters in this play are just stereotypes. Please. You know these guys. They are in Fire Island every weekend. Fifty years later, they are still very real. It’s not pleasant to admit, but they are still out there.

At the time of the original play, some of those men probably wouldn’t have made it to old age bc of AIDS.

Forget the characters. Some of the original cast didn’t make it to old age because of AIDS.

Ryan Murphy said that two years ago they were gathering the cast of the band's boys and that he was very involved in the project. That the actors of the rebirth of the play had an excellent relationship, this version of Netflix is going to be a little different.

R80 The reviews on Broadway were kinda cold, and actually called him out for alot of the miscasting, (most only seemed to like Robin as Emory board and....that was about it. Parsons and Quinto were ripped apart

The actors of the rebirth of the play? Que?

Quinto and Parsons should have switched roles. Though I'd have cast an unknown or at least a non-name as Harold. You can't just plug someone known into the role. Frey was iconic as Harold.

R80 The boys of the band won a Tony for better revival, recovered the investment sooner than expected. Ryan Murphy follows the formula that worked for him, and the actors have a genuine friendship.

What has genuine friendship got to do with it?

Truth r85. This is business, a job, not a friends holiday.

R85 If everyone gets along, there are no divas! things flow, the work environment is enjoyable.

Ryan Murphy is a great professional and knows his business, if he wants this casting it is because it worked for him. It is foreseeable that you want to continue with the same casting when things work.

R88 But it didn't work, Blanche, the reviews were lukewarm

It worked enough to win a Tony Award. Reviews aren't brought forth from the mount.

The Broadway cast

I loved it....such a gr8 cast....most eager to see again on Netflix.....yay ryan...look at all the fun quality work he is doing....Versace was brilliant...

Is Matt Bomer wearing a ratty Korean wig? It looks distracting.

Aren't they all more than a few years too old to be playing these characters?

[quote]The reviews on Broadway were kinda cold, and actually called him out for alot of the miscasting, (most only seemed to like Robin as Emory board and....that was about it. Parsons and Quinto were ripped apart

So what? Theater Queens. Can't love them, can't beat'em about the head with a rolled up Playbill. They'd like too much.

[quote]It worked enough to win a Tony Award. Reviews aren't brought forth from the mount.

Ryan Murphy pulled off a great feat by getting this cast together on a single project. It turned a lot of heads towards Broadway. They invited every single person that could possibly help them win to see the show. They painted it as a must see summer event for the country. This was the reward and Broadway will now get to see The Prom on screen since he's doing that next.

But ....

[quote]The reviews on Broadway were kinda cold, and actually called him out for alot of the miscasting, (most only seemed to like Robin as Emory board and....that was about it. Parsons and Quinto were ripped apart

Exactly. They took hard hits on that front from critics who also continued to ask why they were even doing this in the first place!

Robin was almost universally liked. Everyone else took their lumps from miscastings to lack of acting ability. The reviewers had words for this show.

But everyone could appreciate that Ryan was doing a gay play with a completely gay cast of well known actors.

I think Charlie Carver is about the same age as the original Cowboy. As for the rest, I don't think a few years makes any difference.

They have to LOOK the age of their characters and certainly from stage, they do.

The revival won a Tony, recovered the investment earlier than planned, are making a movie for Netflix! Matt doesn't bring wig is his hair ?! With a good light the actors will look regal in the film.

Rannalls needs a girdle, or zero light, to possibly look good

my fave show of that summer. awesome cast and the show had a lot of heart in it.

bravo!

[bold](Spoiler)[/bold]

Was the man who went back to his wife gay or not?

Saw the show, the actors ages didn't factor in for a second. Some people care way too much about shit.

Andrew Rannells played Larry in the Broadway show, and will be playing it again in the movie, because they wanted to cast the thing entirely with openly gay actors who are very well known, and there aren't too many of them, and Larry probably seemed the best choice for him. He actually might have been better cast as Michael, but there was no way that wasn't going to be Jim Parsons.

What a great way to cast a Broadway show and a film! "Welp, he's not right for the role and barely has any skill as an actor but he's openly gay and there aren't many of those around. Good enough!"

[quote]What a great way to cast a Broadway show and a film! "Welp, he's not right for the role and barely has any skill as an actor but he's openly gay and there aren't many of those around. Good enough!"

Well, people may disagree about Rannells' ability as an actor and whether or not he's right for the role of Larry. But yes, that openly-gay thing was a requirement for the casting, which arguably led to some miscasting, including Rannells and also Charlie Carver as Cowboy.

This better be good.

I've never seen Carver in anything, but the Cowboy role doesn't require much.

The Cowboy role requires someone to convincingly play dumb in a way that's endearing and gets laughs. Carver was completely unable to do that, and he missed every laugh. You will see what I mean if you see the movie when it comes out.

The skinnier Bomer gets, the more boyish he looks. Is his husband into boys? Or is Bomer fucking around with someone who's into boys?

R109, I plan on it.

The original was depressing and archaic enough for me, I don't think I need to see the remake.

[R110] Yes!

According to my crew friend they’ll be in NYC in September for 5 days of exterior work when LA soundstage stuff is complete.

R106, exactly. Reviewer's complaints about it centered on the miscast roles. It was obvious in some places people were just there because they had a name. It was telling when Robin de Jesus and Michael B Washington stole their thunder.

R109, He was pretty good in the show I saw and his last line before his exit completely killed.

R110, Are you insane? He's an actor. He's on camera on set and photographed just walking around. He's in his 40s. He's often shirtless or naked in everything he does. He's gay. He's simply clinging to his youth for dear life like every gay white man in his 40s.

R115 That doesn't change the fact that the skinnier he gets, the more boyish he looks. It's a shame he decided to stop looking like a man. He probably shaves his pubes off too in order to complete the look.

theyr all dam good actors, u queens are pitiful cranks....

R117 Who is theyr? Do they play Alans' wife?

R109, Carver got a HUGE laugh on his exit line. EVERY PERFORMANCE. Don’t diss his comic acting talent just because he’ll never be sexually interested in you.

R119 Harold gets the last laugh of that exit.

You "miscast" miscreants are tiresome. Nobody was miscast. Some of you queens expect exact duplicates of the original actors. Everyone shined.

R121 Define 'shined'?

Here is Quinto

R123 Zachary and Matt, nice friendship, there were no photos of Zachary since he deleted his Instagram account. They look very handsome, both.

Yeah, do a movie version - a full on dong extravaganza - of Take Me Out.

They have always had a very friendly relationship, Zachary shows that it is fun, Matt is delighted. Why did Quinto delete his Instagram?

His cock leaked.

You say everyone shined r121. The critics that reviewed the revival did not think that.

But yes, have a tantrum because you can't accept anything but fawning praise.

[quote]You "miscast" miscreants are tiresome. Nobody was miscast. Some of you queens expect exact duplicates of the original actors. Everyone shined.

Not everyone "shined." Charlie Carver could not act the role properly and was definitely miscast -- and not just because he wasn't a carbon copy of the original actor. Robin De Jesus was far from a carbon copy of Cliff Gorman, and he was great in the show, because he's great at both comedy and dramatic acting. And that's only one example.

Zach deleted his Instagram after he unfollowed his ex and his ex friends and family. I think he took the break up really bad

Zachary looks great, and well Bomer is always friendly. R130

[quote]You say everyone shined [R121]. The critics that reviewed the revival did not think that.

I don't give a fuck what some critic says, I never have. I have never seen a movie or show on what some stranger thinks of it.. I saw the show myself. I saw the reaction. I have been seeing shows a real long time and have seen how an audience reacts to good AND bad ones. This was well revived, obviously as they chose to film it.

Zachary might not want to be photographed because he has pock marks and bad skin make-up on for the role.

R132, it was a great show overall. But a few of the actors were arguably miscast and/or their performances were lacking.

Whether or not one likes the property, the movie is well done. This remake has no reason for being besides "The Cast Is Famous(ish) and Openly Gay!" and Ryan Murphy's need to fulfil contractual obligations.

I was just 18 when the movie came out. I came out as well. I could easily see examples of every character around me. The nelly queen, the inhibited black guy, etc. I knew a guy exactly like Michael. My husband and I were like the couple, with the same issues. It may not have been pleasant to look at (sometimes the truth hurts)but it was pretty much true. Thankfully the LGBT rights movement had already begun. Many gay men stopped hating themselves. Now it is a look back at what it was like. Sadly for some, the closet still exists.

The telphone game is a rather hokey dramatic device.

Ryan Murphy's contractual obligations, I don't think the revival of the film is because of that. Murphy has several projects working with Netflix, FX, the man is very prolific, he performs the revival of The boys in the band because he wants and can. If he wants to take the same team, he is Ryan Murphy.

I understand why this play is important, but as a modern person watching it was cringe-worthy. It's almost prehistoric, and the characters are horrible. Yes, I know that's apparently what things were like back then, but knowing that doesn't make it any more uncomfortable.

I saw it once, and that was enough.

He performs it? As Harold, I presume.

Is taking the team like making the team?

Does anyone else find it funny when people type about the prehistoric BItB characters on... the Data Lounge?

Hell, I know people like Michael today.

A few of DL's very own trolls are a lot like Michael.

R123 Zachary looks very handsome. Matt has always been cute.

R132, That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but calling everyone else (other people who saw the show and critics) "wrong" just because you disagree is a lot of bs. Just say that's my opinion and move on. Also, they were always going to film this thing.

R143, The thing is these guys were almost "forced" together in secrecy so they put up with each other in many ways. That's not going to resonate with many of today's audiences as some of them that knew Michaels and dropped them a long time ago.

Also seeing the actor formerly known as Sheldon call a black character the N word while he sits there, takes it and then says goodbye at the end of the night isn't going to go over real well either.

People can still get "caught" in friend groups.

R121 Miscast Miscreants sounds like a band name.

[quote]That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but calling everyone else (other people who saw the show and critics) "wrong" just because you disagree is a lot of bs. Just say that's my opinion and move on. Also, they were always going to film this thing.

I didn't say critics were wrong, because I didn't read even one. I said I don't give a fuck what they said. I know what I experienced.

r146, the show is set in 1968.

Some posters in this thread have obvious reading comprehension problems, and people with reading comprehension problems should probably not engage in arguments on line.

R150, then you'd better tell the cast that because that was one of their talking points when they were doing promotion for the show

R152, WHAT was one of their talking points when they were doing promo for the show?

I love the idea that there are people who don’t like a show because it made them “uncomfortable.” Pathetic. Who would avoid live theater because it makes them uncomfortable? That one of the things performance is meant to do. I guess this is why shows like “Be More Chill” are produced. Some of us need safe spaces and some of us, thank God, do not.

This is why Wokelahoma exists. Some people feel the behaviors of the characters in a near operetta have to “resonate” with modern audiences in order for it to be enjoyable.

r154 you can still appreciate a play or film and understand why it was made, even if it does make you uncomfortable. It's not about 'safe spaces' at all. What I meant in my previous post was that Boys In the Band is a relic and I'm glad I wasn't around back then. I appreciated it for what it was - and of course it's important to preserve historical eras - but once was enough for me.

[quote]I guess this is why shows like “Be More Chill” are produced. Some of us need safe spaces and some of us, thank God, do not.

I don't understand, do you consider BE MORE CHILL an example of a show that provides a "safe space" and doesn't make people uncomfortable, or -- the opposite?

I’m suggesting that Be More Chill was written for baby-ish individuals who can’t or won’t handle difficult emotions. Boys in the Band isn’t a relic. It’s only 50 years old. Less than one lifetime. How on earth do you deal with plays that were written two generations or three generations away? It sickens me that we have modern audiences who demand to selfishly view their experience on stage. Theater is a window into someone else’s experience. The mememememe demands of this day are exhausting.

It's a relic from a very different time.

Weird. By your definition, virtually anything that has been published is a relic.

r160 I said no such thing. The Boys In the Band is a relic of another time, not that there's anything wrong with that. Just as a modern gay man, it's cringe-worthy to see all of the old faggy stereotypes.

The old stereotypes can still be found in young men.

Seriously! I’ve met several Michaels and they are all under 25. Self-hatred is alive and well in the gay community. We’d all love to believe it’s a healthy place but that’s hardly true. Any gay bar is like heading into a high school pretty girl clique and we all know that.

Starts shooting in NYC on the 21st. One scene is set in a gay bar. I guess Murphy got Crowley to open up the play somewhat.

I guess you haven't seen the movie. There are a flurry of short scenes "about town", including at a gay bar.

Oh, right, I forgot about that.

The old stereotypes can still be found on Datalounge.

True, there are posters here whose language is archaic, very "old-timey gay." "Dear" this and "sweetheart" that.

Yass, hunty, brah.

Brah is a straight douchebag thing.

I finish filming the movie in LA, now they go to New York where they will record outdoors, I wonder if all the actors will do it or only some? Several of the actors already have commitments after BITB.

I finish filming the movie in LA, now they go to New York where they will record outdoors, I wonder if all the actors will do it or only some? Several of the actors already have commitments after BITB.

Jim Parsons and Matt Bomer are definitely shooting in NYC, don’t know about the others. It starts Wednesday and goes until Tuesday the 27th.

[quote]True, there are posters here whose language is archaic, very "old-timey gay." "Dear" this and "sweetheart" that.

Some of us use that language condescendingly and to be bitchy, Dear.

It sounds dumb and prehistoric, r175.

It took almost 2 months to film, they started at the beginning of July and would end almost 2 months later. I read that the outdoors in New York would be filmed at the beginning of September? Almost all characters have outdoor scenes (in the original movie).

Shooting of the New York location stuff for BITB is starting tomorrow, I believe.

Does Bomer show his ass as he did in the Broadway play?

R179 how would anyone not working on the film know that? It would be filmed in a studio. The shower scene is in the original and I assume itll be in this as well though.

R174, they all have brief scenes showing what they were doing before they all got to the party: leaving work, bumping into each other, seeing random people on the street., picking up a car etc.

If it's the same/similar to the movie they'll all have to shoot but not all at the same time and likely not on the same day/time.

[quote] Does Bomer show his ass as he did in the Broadway play?

The combo of my seat location and the mirror in the bathroom I got to see everything.

This is the DL r175, if you're not using that type of language you are doing it wrong, toots.

R182 and? Grower or show-er?

Perfectly normal.

It was average/normal. Don't expect to see that in the Netflix film since it was a consequence of the set. He didn't seem comfortable knowing people could see it and according to reports from one of the other gay boards he started wearing a sock towards the end of the run.

It must have been awkward. Bomer does not like to attract attention, just look at his publications on networks, he rarely publishes photos of him, most of them are from some work, sometimes from the family.

I’m on the crew for the five shoot days. We start tomorrow.

Nice! Please report everything R188.

R188 We need to know if Ry Ry is doing a shot for shot remake, (because he is a uesless cunt), or if he is doing something new with the opening.

Thanks so much honey x

R188 So, anything?

[quote]We need to know if Ry Ry is doing a shot for shot remake, (because he is a uesless cunt), or if he is doing something new with the opening. Thanks so much honey x

Ryan isn't directing Dear. Joe Mantello is.

[quote]Charlie Carver is cute and all, but he is a definite stretch to play a hunky rentboy picked out for a friend's birthday.

Are you mad? I'd pay him in a heartbeat.

[quote]Charlie Carver is cute and all, but he is a definite stretch to play a hunky rentboy picked out for a friend's birthday.

Do you leave the house?

Looks a bit different with messy hair and stubble.

He finished filming The boys in the band. Andrew Rannells (birthday) in his celebration were Parsons, Carver, Watkins.

Not digging the curls

I like the hair. Makes him look more relaxed. I think he's better looking when he's less clean cut.

Seriously, r3. They'd probably do it without the nudity, with the penchant for dick phobia being so prevalent in American movies.

They make him look older.

The remake, from the Instagram link, looks pretty shot for shot so far at the beginning.

R196 God Bomer's makeup artist is so hateful. First his face on RuPaul and now this?

R202, I doubt the same make-up artist did both RuPaul and also this.

Ricky Martin used to have his own lighting crew.

Not the same thing, R204. Martin’s primarily a singer.

[quote]They'd probably do it without the nudity, with the penchant for dick phobia being so prevalent in American movies.

No dick, but I'll bet you a there will be ass. Lucky for us Matt has shown his butt in "Magic Mike" and "The Normal Heart" and on stage, I know cause I was there. His character and Parson's are very close, there wouldn't be any modesty. It's a Netflix flick and Ryan Murphy has never shied away from male nudity in his FX shows.

I would have no interest in seeing any movie of Take Me Out if they didn't show any dick. That would be insulting. I guess it doesn't matter, though, since no one seems to be making it.

I can't imagine they'll use "Anything Goes" as the opening music for the new BOYS IN THE BAND, as in the original, but I wonder what song they'll use instead? Or if they'll use a song at all? Any guesses?

[quote]It's a Netflix flick and Ryan Murphy has never shied away from male nudity in his FX shows.

But it's Joe Mantello's movie. (Ryan actually directed The Normal Heart and the AHS Episodes where he was half-naked or nude. He's not directing this.) There likely won't be any more ass than on the stage or in the original. (And you could see all of the stage at once and there were mirrors everywhere. It's not feasible to shoot a film like that.) The shower suddenly won't be frosted.

The only real difference between the movie and the stage production was that Donald removes his pants sooner and walks around in his underwear. In the movie the character kept them on longer.

They shot in Julius’ gay bar last week, shooting at St. Malachy’s sometime in the next two days.

Was anyone naked?

They cannot remake the film shot for shot, Friedkin should sue

R210 The filming is over ?!

Anybody have any idea when this film might come out?

R212, both Friedkin and Mantello's versions are based on the same play. So if things are similar between the two there's nothing he can do about that.

While we don't know what Joe Mantello is doing from the very few locations we've heard about and photos we've seen from their outside shooting, the new film at least starts out the same as the original film and that opening stuff from the original movie was not in the original play or revival. That was only in the film. He might just be paying homage to it.

R215 Paying homage is code for ripping off? They have the rights to the play, not the film, so Joe does not get to remake or pay tribute to the film, he needs to use his own talent to tell the story

Is this going to be on Netflix?

Try checking the thread title for a clue r217...

Maybe they could use The Kinks' "See My Friend."

[quote]Paying homage is code for ripping off? They have the rights to the play, not the film, so Joe does not get to remake or pay tribute to the film, he needs to use his own talent to tell the story

Ripping off? Saw the Broadway show at a matinee and came home and we watched the DVD that night and it is very much the play. So if Mantello is following closely the play, both movies will be similar.

R220 Kinda sad. I saw a version in NZ that made choices I really disagrred with, (the Emory was played by a Samoan actor which made no sense of the catillian line, and the Donald was a fucking hot slab of meat so for the start of Act )ne everyone was just drooling), BUT the direction changed the play lots from the film and that made me happy. The recent London revival looked kinda different, apart from the Harold who looks like a carbon copy,anyone see it?

Errrrrgh London Harold

They shot some bits on Fifth Avenue yesterday, all stuff with Jim Parsons walking around. One shot was done in front of Saks.

Who’s the one in the parking garage?

Bomer's part is finished, he has started shooting for Will and Grace.

I thought Will and Grace was cancelled.

Last season and they're done for good, R226.

When will Bomer do The Sinner?

When will Bomer do The Sinner?

Maybe this fall?

Bomer starts shooting The Sinner in NYC in a few weeks.

TBITB wrapped last night on Day 35 out of 35. They shot a subway scene with Bernard, a telephone scene with Alan and then a greasy spoon scene with Emory and Donald.

I meant Emory and Bernard, sorry.

Bomer's a busy dude.

Is the original film available for streaming anywhere?

R234 It's on YouTube.

There's a beautiful guy who is shown fleetingly in the gay bar scene. I've always wondered if he was a model/actor or just a pretty faced patron.

R235 Thanks!

Based on R235's description & the other descriptions, it really does sound like it starts the same as the original movie.

r235 didn't give any description.

Bomer finished filming last week, will be in one or two chapters of Will And Grace, his character ends with Will, The Sinner will be filmed in the fall, most actors have commitments, I guess everyone was willing to adjust their schedule That way Everyone complied. Fifth, he was at a comic book convention in London for several days and they were already filming BITB.

Sorry meant R231, R239

229 They have already started the series The Sinner third season.

No, they haven’t, R242. I know people working on the crew. It starts shooting in two weeks.

What the fuck is The Sinner?

Series on USA Network, focusing on a different “sinner” each season.

‘The Sinner’ is an American anthology crime drama series that is based on the novel of the same name by German crime writer Petra Hammesfahr. The series airs on USA Network, and first premiered on August 2, 2017. It was initially conceived as a close-ended series before its popularity prompted the network to request more seasons. Derek Simonds has adapted the story for television, while Midnight Choir Inc., Zaftig Films, Iron Ocean, and Universal Cable Productions are the companies behind the project.

The series is easily one of the darkest and most disturbing shows on television and brings a twist as a ‘whydunnit’ instead of a ‘whodunnit’, which is mostly the case for crime mysteries. The show has been loved by audiences and critics alike. While it has gathered a steady fan following, which only seems to be increasing over the seasons, critics have praised the series for its unpredictable narrative, and solid performance, especially from Jessica Biel. They admitted that the show was so dark and compelling that once it drew viewers in, it was difficult to get out without watching the entire thing. That is exactly what one looks for in a crime mystery, and ‘The Sinner’ delivers effortlessly. The Sinner Cast: Who is in it? The cast of ‘The Sinner’ keeps changing over the seasons, as the idea was to make a tightly wrapped show, which means, the stories are exhausted in one season itself, instead of rambling on across seasons. While there are certain overlapping characters across the seasons, most of the cast members get changed. The initial season has Jessica Biel play the role of the protagonist, Cora Tannetti, while Christopher Abbott plays Mason Tannetti. Dohn Norwood plays the role of Detective Dan Leroy across the seasons. Carrie Coon of ‘The Leftovers’ and ‘Fargo‘ fame is also part of the cast as the lead in the sophomore season. Bill Pullman plays the role of Detective Harry Ambrose. He will be the lead in the season 3, and Variety has reported that Matt Bomer, who is famous for his role in ‘White Collar‘, is joining the cast as well. In all the seasons, the main cast is enriched by the presence of a strong supporting cast, who help keep the intensity of the mystery alive, and keeps the viewers on the edge of their seats, making this show a resounding success.

R243 Reading table They are at table work.

R243 Reading table | They are at table work.

R247/R248, the table read can occur quite a few days before shoot days. They don’t start shooting until September 9th.

Then Matt will only do 1 chapter of Will And Grace, Demi Lovato will make several chapters to match Eric McCormack. I don't think Matt can with two series that are recorded at the same time in different places. The sinner is a show that must take a long time.

What is this "chapter" business?

No such thing as a “chapter.” Is R250 a foreigner. It’s “episodes.”

And it's seasons....22 episodes a season, not series. The entire run of the show is the series. OK?

When can we see BITB on Netflix?

R254 maybe next summer. Seems like Netflix shows/movies air nearly a year after filming. Maybe late spring?

Not necessarily, R255. I think it will drop around May, though, plenty of time to get in people’s heads before Emmy nomination cut-off in July.

When do they start filming The Prom? It will be with the cast they announced, fans say Ariana can't make the movie and Meryl recently signed exclusivity with HBO Max, do you know anything?

I can actually see it dropping in early December to qualify for the Golden Globe and SAG Awards. It should be an easy film to edit in time for that.

Especially if the use Friedkin's editing notes.

They've always said the Boys in the Band will air on Netflix in 2020. I don't think that will change. As for when, as R259 said if they use Friedkin's notes (and also since the shoot went pretty quick) it shouldn't take too long into the year for that to happen. It's not on Netflix's schedule yet so probably sometime slightly before or around summer is a good bet.

The Prom is supposed to start shooting in December 2019 and is aiming for a release in September of 2020 because Murphy wants it out before the next election. That was clearly stated.

The final season of Will & Grace is 18 episodes. Demi Lovato is scheduled to appear in 3 of them as "Will's surrogate." I think it's important to note that on Max's instagram post about her appearance he didn't say "Will & McCoy's surrogate."

Since Matt's recurring he can appear in any number of episodes but since he has two other shows to shoot (The Sinner is only 8 episodes & it's not just his show then Doom Patrol starts production in November) I doubt it will be many since his schedule probably won't allow it.

Matt said in an interview that he would be busy until December with The Sinner, someone on twitter of the Doom Patrol production wrote that until recently they had confirmed the second season.

The cast:

*Jim Parsons as Michael

* Zachary Quinto as Harold

*Matt Bomer as Donald

*Andrew Rannells as Larry

*Charlie Carver as Cowboy

*Robin de Jesús as Emory

* Brian Hutchison as Alan

*Tuc Watkins as Hank

*Michael Benjamin Washington as Bernard

Netflix can always change its release schedule. I think they want TBITB to be considered for Golden Globe and SAG Awards.

R263, then it will be next year in 2020. This year those will get snatched up by The Politician and Ryan Murphy will be satisfied. He won't pit himself against himself. Next year it will be The Prom which will do very well as a movie and it has never been done before.

TBiTB is a movie, based off of a revival of play that didn't get universally great reviews (although it did well thanks to star power) which are based off of an earlier movie which was based off of the original play. Sadly, it's basically paint by numbers padding for him to help fulfill his contract.

R261, No. They've known the start of production since May. The public didn't know (and no one was allowed to tell) until just recently once the HBO Max deal was secure.

R246 They started filming season 3 'The Sinner', on September 3.

[quote]TBiTB is a movie, based off of a revival of play that didn't get universally great reviews (although it did well thanks to star power)

It was an audience pleaser, I know, I saw it a few times and the audiences loved it, it made money and won the Tony for Best Revival of a Play. No one gives a shit about critics anymore.

[quote]It was an audience pleaser, I know, I saw it a few times and the audiences loved it, it made money and won the Tony for Best Revival of a Play. No one gives a shit about critics anymore.

You're not the only one who saw it. I saw it. A lot of people saw it. I said it did well. I also remember the audience not knowing how to act because fly overs who just wanted to see TV stars on Broadway. I also remember the theater being small as hell so it wasn't that hard to fill. I also remember seats not filling up until right before the show started. It was no Hamilton. You could have easily bought a ticket that morning. Let's not get carried away.

But the point was that there's a difference between a play on Broadway and *another* movie. There's a difference between being appealing to people who went to NYC just to see them and a larger Netflix audience.

There was little chance that it wouldn't have won best Revival with Murphy involved, Mantello involved and all of the actors in it. That doesn't change the fact that the critics of it weren't wrong, even if you don't care.

R267, you are pretty much talking out your ass. THE BOYS IN THE BAND was a very hard-to-get ticket for a non-musical, and as I recall, the reviews overall were far more positive than negative.

R268 The reviews were cold as ice, and all talked about massive miscasting

Wrong, R269. Stop making shit up. That didn’t happen.

Theatre Queens bitching here do not constitute reviews, Dear.

^Read it and weep, and get out of fantasyland. This isn't cold, it is a bad review.

That NY Times review of TBITB is indeed mostly negative, but it is only one review, and just because Brantley felt that Parsons and Quinto were miscast doesn't mean that's true. I, for one, don't agree with the reasons he gives for feeling that were miscast.

R273 Oh, you mistyped, 'I WAS WRONG',

The New York Times ain't just "one review". Not all reviews hold equal weight.

R275 Jesus, no review carries more power than The NY Times, just admit you were totally wrong

Are Tuc and Andrew dating? Seems to be the case based on Andrew’s Insta. I would be into that.

[quote] Jesus, no review carries more power than The NY Times, just admit you were totally wrong

Yeah in 1975. Sorry, no one but Theater Queens care anymore. In the good old days all one had was an ad in The Sunday New York Times to judge a show. Not anymore, now you get to be in the first rehearsal. Times have changed, now if you get a nice quote form The Times, it's swell but it doesn't matter much.

[quote]Jesus, no review carries more power than The NY Times, just admit you were totally wrong

Just admit you don't know what you are talking about. BITB was a very hard ticket on Broadway despite the negative NYT review, and it was an excellent production overall, and I'm sure the reason you are so negative about it is sour grapes because you didn't get to see it.

Is there any indication that the success of the play with an all out gay cast, has translated into additional work for them? Especially some of the lesser known actors.

R277 Friends Andrew and Tuc, Matt and Michael, all have a good relationship, but some are more friends than others. At Andrew's party they were his closest TBITB.

I agree, R2, why the need to remake this movie? It wasn't all that great to begin with.

Why not write a movie about a group of gay men in 2019? Is creativity dead? As we witness growing acceptance of gay men in society, does it toll the death knell of creative writing from a gay perspective?

Surely it's obvious why it was revived with out actors, all of whom are somewhat famous. Murphy et al. were making a point. If it were a new piece of writing, the same point wouldn't be made.

[quote]Surely it's obvious why it was revived with out actors, all of whom are somewhat famous. Murphy et al. were making a point. If it were a new piece of writing, the same point wouldn't be made.

Thank you. Some people are so dense.

[quote]I agree, [R2], why the need to remake this movie? It wasn't all that great to begin with.

HELLO? Why remake a great movie? Remaking not "all that great" movies make more sense and trying to improve it.

... what? Any complaints levelled at the movie relate to the source material.

R285, you're missing my point. Where are the new stories? Why remake a movie or why reboot a TV show? It may underscore a lack of creativity these days in movie and television.

Look, as a gay man of European ancestry (in other words, I'm another white guy), I love to see myself and my perspective represented in books, theatre, film, and television. I was 5 years of age, when this movie came out. The beginning of the Aids epidemic affected my coming out more than this movie. "Longtime Companion," "Angels in America," and "Rent" reflect my experience as a young, gay man in America. I've since become more aware of the rich diversity of gay men's lives in the experience of those whose backgrounds are not like mine (in other words, gay Af-Am men, gay Latino men, and gay Asian men). Where are their perspectives? I want to hear those stories. Originality trumps tired, old themes. And in hearing their stories, it will highlight (I suspect) the commonalities in gay men's lives.

There were so few films about gay men's lives in the late 60s and 70s, so this film has become a classic. The story of urban, white gay men's lives has been told already. I want to hear another story.

Remakes have always existed. Were you pissing and moaning about "His Girl Friday" or "The Maltese Falcon" back when you were in short trousers?

[Quote] Where are their perspectives?

Have you heard of "Moonlight"? "Brother to Brother"? There are movies out there if you'd care to look...

Thank you, R289. You're proving me wrong. But don't we need more of these, instead of a remake?

[quote]THE BOYS IN THE BAND was a very hard-to-get ticket for a non-musical

Lies, lies, lies on top of lies! R268!

[quote]and as I recall, the reviews overall were far more positive than negative.

You recall incorrectly! Are you insane!?!? Don't answer that.

Why tf are you people arguing about whether this was a successful play A WHOLE YEAR AGO?? It made it's money back with a month to go and a movie is being made.

What is your definition of success anyway?

If you did not enjoy the play, don't fucking watch the movie. Why you even in this thread anyway?

If you think its crap then go hang out in the Harry Styles threads.

I concur.

[Quote] If you think its crap then go hang out in the Harry Styles threads.

Are you new here? DL doesn't do "appreciation threads."

[quote}Where are the new stories? Why remake a movie or why reboot a TV show? It may underscore a lack of creativity these days in movie and television.

I strongly agree with you in general, BUT I still think there are good reasons to remake some old films. In the case of THE BOYS IN THE BAND, the original film is excellent (and it features the ENTIRE original cast of the stage show), but I think there are a lot of people today who don't seek out old films to watch (their loss), whereas they will see a remake with a bunch of actors whose names they recognize. So, for me, that's enough justification for a remake of a property that gives an idea of what it was like to be gay in NYC in the late 1960s.

I think it will the first time a film that had the entire Broadway cast was remade with the entire new Broadway cast.

[quote]I think it will the first time a film that had the entire Broadway cast was remade with the entire new Broadway cast.

I think it's safe to say that you are correct without even bothering to do any research on this :-)

[quote] If you think its crap then go hang out in the Harry Styles threads.

Who's he?

[quote]Have you heard of "Moonlight"? "Brother to Brother"?

R289, There were 73 LGBT movies/projects in 2016.

You managed to name 1 of them. Moonlight.

1 out of 73.

R299 Really? Can you link?

This movie is not being made instead of some other movie. There is plenty of room for good movies with LGBT themes. It’s not like we only get one. And this one avoids the trap of having straight actors play gay.

Andrew Rannells and Tuc Watkins are dating, how long will that relationship last?

Are they dating dating, or just having a good time?

Rannells was so proud of himself when he was sleeping with Bomer during the run of the play... I wonder if he thinks Tuc is a step down.

He told you this, did he?

R305, that's the crazy Bomer troll who convinced themselves that Bomer would ever because it is bored while ignoring the fact that Bomer is also a bottom whose husband runs his career.

Bomer on The Sinner

What does that have to do with The Boys in the Band in costume?

FF R307

Discussed at R242 and after

Is Jonathan Groff upset he wasn't invited to be in this? He and Bomer could have a stare-off!

Groff would be a much better Donald than Bomer. Bomer might have done OK as Larry though he's really more of a Cowboy (or was, rather).

R310, Groff was shooting Mindhunter at the time.

Mindhunter was a 9 month shoot from April to December because David Fincher takes his time.

Boys in the Band is not coming out until 2020.

R313 That is not a surprise

Tuk Watkins confirmed in a recent interview that the film is scheduled for a release in October 2020. So another year until it drops.

[quote] There were 73 LGBT movies/projects in 2016

An LGBT film can mean anything and often doesn’t include gay themes.

There were 27 gay film produced last year in the US.

R315 So much waiting time! Ryan Murphy is delaying the launch of several completed projects, perhaps by The Politician, which is a regular to bad series. Ratched had to have launched this year, they finished filming it many months ago.

R317 apparently Ratched isnt coming out till around next August or September. I guess the next show premiering is Hollywood in May which just started filming. Weird scheduling. Wonder why they are releasing these shows and movies so late that have already finished filming.

Yes Ratched finished filming in July, I don't know why Netflix wants to sit on it for such a long time but I guess that is when they see a hole in their schedule.