Malaysia Airlines MH370: The Mystery Deepens

200 mystery loads? I'm there!

I read this earlier. Very weird. Maybe the mysterious load exploded or something.

Where is that plane?

Bottom of the Indian Ocean.

I think that the plane was hijacked, and the passengers have been living in a secret location.

I also think that the hijackers are building a dirty bomb.

Every pilot and ex-military person I've spoken to about this thinks that the US is responsible for its disappearance or at the very least knows exactly what happened. I am inclined to agree.

Stories/theories about this plane and its disappearance fascinate and terrify me.

I’m much more apt to believe it was a crash or pilot suicide. I don’t cotton to wild conspiracies.

How does a plane just disappear off the face of the Earth, never to be found again?

In the old days, maybe. But in this modern era with all of our technology, it's just not possible.

That plane is still around somewhere. It's the world's best kept secret.

[quote] I don’t cotton to wild conspiracies.

Strange evidence be damned, right R8?

Pieces were found R10.

Nothing 100% confirmed to be from MH370, R11. Link please, if you have one.

As far as I know, there has been nothing definitive recovered from the plane, no bodies, and no personal effects.

That plane is still around, whether you believe it or not.

[quote]How does a plane just disappear off the face of the Earth, never to be found again?

If it crashes in the middle of the ocean, it didn’t disappear per se. It would just be VERY difficult to find. But in this case, as r11 pointed out, they have found pieces.

An extra 200 pounds in the cargo hold?

Could that be where I left my snack purse?

[quote]Every pilot and ex-military person I've spoken to about this thinks that the US is responsible for its disappearance

And they believe this because?

Jimmy Hoffa?

My impression is that they believe it due to the number of incidents that they have seen covered up throughout their careers.

Pieces of fuselage were found identified by numbers.

a mysterious 200 lbs load? Maybe a 70 year old man on board suddenly ejaculated for the first time in his life?

It was revealed that days before the crash, the depressed pilot ran a simulated flight that ended with the plane running out of fuel and then crashing in the Indian Ocean. That solves it for me personally.

[quote] That solves it for me personally.

Funny how people just willingly believe what the government tells them.

[quote]Every pilot and ex-military person I've spoken to about this...

Your crazy uncle doesn't count.

What would be the reason to hijack a plane and slowly down it hundreds of miles away far away from any civilization? The hijack theory makes no sense.

Not a crazy uncle. Military types around Nasa and Houston, where granted, there are a lot of cranks. Still I was surprised that old guys like that in jobs like that would be so certain that something is being held back from the public.

The pilot committed a murder suicide, there's your answer.

Vicki knows.....

Just because someone doesn’t believe in wild conspiracy theories doesn’t mean they believe everything the government tells them. Why do some people insist on believing crazy, elaborate conspiracies instead of the most likely and sensible answer?

[quote] Why do some people insist on believing crazy, elaborate conspiracies instead of the most likely and sensible answer?

Because nobody KNOWS the answer for sure.

You're guessing about what happened to that place, just as much as the "conspiracy theorist" is guessing.

If you have absolute evidence as to what happened to MH370, R27, please DO share. Otherwise.... SHUT IT.

No, I won’t shut it. Debris was found. Plane crashed either deliberately or accidentally.

[quote]Vicki knows.....

Vicki ain’t know shit.

[quote]You're guessing about what happened to that place, just as much as the "conspiracy theorist" is guessing.

Not true. The existence of uncertainty does not make every hypothesis equally likely. In this case, pilot suicide/murder, for which there is substantial evidence, is a far more logical theory than some vast, mysterious conspiracy.

R6, your friends may have something. I lived in Kuala Lumpur then, and I know for a fact that FBI was in on that investigation right away. Like pilot’s apartment right away. I was surprised we already had FBI there, I didn’t think their reach extended to overseas. I never could tell with the Malaysian govt if they were sincere or trying to save face...

[quote] In this case, pilot suicide/murder, for which there is substantial evidence, is a far more logical theory

The key word being THEORY.

Theory is not FACT.

So unless you have the facts, don't act like you know everything. Because you don't.

I kind of think that the pilot did intend to crash the plane but the US picked up on it and shot the plane down. That's the theory I remember hearing from those military guys. But who knows, really. It's weird the US has not been more openly and actively involved in the Australian and French-led investigations. I also think the articles that detail the case against the pilot have been pretty thin, including the recent one in the Atlantic.

Why would the US shoot the plane down?

Presumably because it was taken over by hijackers and got too close to a US military installation. Again, I don't know if it's true. It's the rumor/theory I've heard.

Remember WHO benefited from the disappearance?

Theories were floated around the internet from Day-1 that a fire started in the cargo hold due to transport of something not authorized.

Will have to research the evidence that pieces of the plane found on Reunion Island had verified serial numbers that could only have come from MH370.

Here is a BBC article from 2017 about some of the pieces recovered.

This isn’t one of my pet mysteries, but it is worth pondering. There is fuckery afoot.

I can see most of the theories mentioned here being plausible. Except that it was hijacked and the passengers are being kept alive. They’d be killed or ransomed. Otherwise, I’m not pooh-poohing anything.

except this happened in the middle of the Indian Ocean, where was a hijacker going to go?

Crash the plane on Diego Garcia or a place like it.

Interesting comment from OP's link on Yahoo: Funny how they don't mention the sound waves station near the US base that had missing altered data. People that examined the station in that part of the ocean proved that an object size of a meteor or plane hit the water that night around the time the plane went missing.

And no you cannot tell me that was a military exercise, that the military happened to test some large weapons in the water causing similar sound waves at the time the plane went missing. All other sound wave stations were fine besides the one near the base, missing data is proof that someone altered the data to hide the evidence.

Those sound waves is proof that the plane crashed near the base and someone removed some data from the station.

What most likely happened is that the older pilot committed suicide by locking his peer out of the cockpit, brought the plane up to a high enough altitude that all the passengers and the rest of the crew very quickly asphyxiated, and, for whatever reason, waited for several hours before crashing the plane. Malaysia bears responsibility for their comical incompetence at tracking the plane once it disappeared, which they wound up doubling down on because they were too proud to admit they made a mistake, but there's no government conspiracy here more complicated than that.

I remember during the time of MH370's disappearance, I was glued to the Professional Pilots Rumour Network and the discussions and theories were fascinating. Every now and again I check in on that site to see what's happening and/or being discussed.

Here's a link with the search term MH370.

R44, What's their most likely conclusion?

Interesting comment from OP's linked Yahoo article: The problem with this theory is that the aircraft flew until it ran out of fuel. Hijackers don't do that.

My theory is that an electrical fire in avionics, caused by overheated Lithium ion batteries, took out communications and the glass cockpit but left manual control of the aircraft.

Since it was night over the ocean, they had no navigation except for celestial. Nobody is proficient in celestial navigation anymore but we all know where the North star is. If you put the North star over your right shoulder, you will be heading west and back to their country. Unfortunately, the north part of Malaysia is uninhabited and therefore no lights to tell them when they were over land or where they were.

R46 - I haven't checked on MH370 conclusions/theories in a while. This thread reminded me of that site so I wanted to post it in case anyone wants to do a deep dive into the past and get caught up all over again. I might indulge myself later on today. From what I recall before I left off being obsessed with it, "foul play" was the leading theory.

I just realized I forgot to select "threads" so the pprune site link I posed above leads to various Google search results re MH370. Oh well, happy hunting to those who want to enter the labyrinth!

[quote]The pilot committed a murder suicide, there's your answer.

Exactly.

[quote]And no you cannot tell me that was a military exercise,

R42, I'm pretty no can tell you anything that doesn't already fit your QAnon/Deep State/Pizzagate insane world view.

I think D-R is running amok again. She’s obsessed with conspiracies.

What is a D-R?

R52 is a newb.

WHET Malaysia Airlines MH370?

R51, I never said I 100% believed in the comments which I re-posted from OP's Yahoo article. Only that they were interesting. Similar info has long been discussed in the MSM by top level experts and on the airline pilots' forum.

Closed minded people jump to the easiest solutions without considering that there might be other factors at play.

That was obvious drug smuggling and from that area, it's likely Heroin.

r54

It crashed into the Indian Ocean. A lot of its parts have washed ashore.

OMG, did we flush out the actual Poo herself?

R57, What's surprising is that if it was an actual crash ie pilot suicide then why haven't any of the made to float airline seats and flotation devices surfaced? On the other hand if it was an explosion or a small fire which started in the baggage compartment, perhaps due to lithium batteries in the cargo or anything else combustible, would pieces of the fuselage show up on Reunion Island?

Still believe there's not just a simple answer to the crash and disappearance. Also that certain Americans know more than they've said. Perhaps due to liability and insurance re Boeing? Otherwise why wasn't the US more involved in the search? Obviously the Australians & Malaysians conducted their search in the wrong location in the huge Indian Ocean.

R59, do you know anything about the Indian Ocean? Also, remember the flight that crashed into the ocean from Brazil(?) to Paris? No much of that was found, if anything at all.

Why does everyone think the "Americans" should have done more? It was a Malaysian flight and didn't happen in American waters. We aren't the world babysitter despite what some think.

R61, The plane was made by an American company. At least 1 American and a few with dual citizenship died. American expertise is usually involved in similar foreign disasters just as Israeli technicians helped out in past Mexican earthquakes. So yes it's out of character that Americans were absent from the searches in the Indian Ocean.

R46, the "north part" of Malaysia is NOT "uninhabited", sheesh. At any rate, it crossed over Penang on the west coast, which is lit up enough to be seen from space, and turned north, ie away from KL. Whoever/whatever was controlling the plane, it was not attempting to land safely.

Hmm, sounds like the Americans didn't really need to be involved considering Australia was so much closer. Most of the passengers were Chinese.

[quote]Closed minded people

LOL, my stars! This from a troll who believes EVERYTHING an elaborate global elitist conspiracy and that nothing mundane can possible happen. Talk about "close minded".

[quote]Otherwise why wasn't the US more involved in the search?

The US did quite a bit of searching for the plane, you whackadoodle. See link.

R65, You couldn't be more wrong, and you clearly lack reading comprehension.

R66, Those that must resort to extremely childish name calling totally lack intelligence. Please don't expect me to respond to any of your posts until you "grow up" and act like an adult.

Poo has stated her boundaries. LOL.....btw, sweetie, I have clear reading comprehension and YOU ARE close minded. Everything MUST be a huge conspiracy. Hell, even your non-existent acting career was blamed on George Clooney.

One of the Vietnamese beauty pageant winners used to work for Vietnamese government intelligence. When the plane goes down, she posted on her fb that 9 months prior, someone from intelligence told her to not fly Malaysia. Make of that as what you will.

R70, Wasn't there rumors of an anonymous Chinese poster warning of a potential coming disaster on Malaysian airlines? Would it just be that there were too many incompetent and corrupt airline employees?

Also why would the majority of Freescale high tech employees (20?) be allowed to fly together? If I were a true CT I'd be suggesting many, many rumors.

[quote]When the plane goes down, she posted on her fb that 9 months prior, someone from intelligence told her to not fly Malaysia.

Easy to say after the fact.

Here’s a tip: Don’t fly TWA Flight 800!

R72. The Chinese internet poster's warning messages were clearly dated at least a month before the disappearance.He's never been identified.

So someone who can’t be identified from the message they sent, but the date, oh well that’s GOTTA be accurate.

Let's gather what we know: this plane downing was obviously premeditated/well-planned, coordinated efforts of multiple governments to cover up, mysterious 200 lbs cargo, numbers of high tech employee.

I think they are or were building something, R71. Something that will benefit multiple governments, at least America and China, but its nature is so shocking that the public cannot know. Obviously, they do not want the techies to breathe a word about this device to their family members so they have to plan the death.

I thought Courtney Love found it already (Google it)

[quote]Obviously, they do not want the techies to breathe a word about this device to their family members so they have to plan the death.

Now that's a wild stab in the dark. Or it could be all be a huge coincidence? Maybe the mysterious cargo was just something as mundane as furniture.

Look up Occam's Razor.

The mysterious cargo was actually priceless art and the plane was hijacked to steal the paintings; unfortunately, the plane struck the top of oil derrick, crashed into the ocean and sank to the bottom. The passengers are still alive, though, waiting for rescue....

Here's a recreation:

R72 seems to have a vested interest in shooting down any claims of there being something sinister to this plane's disappearance.

Why are you so against the idea that something ELSE happened to this aircraft, Boris?

[quote] It crashed into the Indian Ocean. A lot of its parts have washed ashore.

Link, please.

Proof... or it didn't happen.

R80, have your heard of this thing called google, dear?

The morons here who insist this is part of a conspiracy are no doubt the same dummies who believe that Hollywood is a big pedo ring that EVERYONE is in on. Idiots.

You're the one making the claim.

It's YOUR responsibility to back it up, asshole.

[quote]It's YOUR responsibility to back it up, asshole.

Says who? It's easy. You type in Malasian AH370 wreckage and links miraculously pop up. You're being a disengenous little troll.

Someone needs to go back and read the article linked at R43. It's quite comprehensive and convincing.

[quote] It's quite comprehensive and convincing.

To YOU. It still offers no facts, or evidence, or concrete proof.

Some of you are so convinced in your right-ness, yet none of it would stand up in a court of law.

Nic knows.

Interesting article R85. I think the pilot did deliberately go off radar and just flew until he ran out of fuel. Anyone who has been to Malaysia or Indonesia knows how corrupt and incompentent the governments are too.

[quote]yet none of it would stand up in a court of law.

Actually, it probably would.

[Quote]I’m much more apt to believe it was a crash or pilot suicide. I don’t cotton to wild conspiracies.

What R8 said.

[quote]You're being a disengenous little troll.

Oh, dear!

Fact that's suspicious -- The Honorary Malaysian Consul in Madagascar Zahid Raza, who had spent years investigating what happened to MH370, was shot dead in Madagascar in 2017.

People working with him on the investigation claimed he had received death threats and seemed to have been deliberately targeted.

Coincidence that an American who also has spent years investigating on Madagascar has also continuously received serious death threats and has had to constantly change all of his personal contact info. WTF?

Another invisible OP post.

How many DL threads do you believe you are required to start each day, dear? Do you really believe that your every passing brain fart is of interest to the general public?

Oh wait, I won't see your answer, never mind.

People who like to use the Occam's Razor as a principle are just lazy incel bastards who like to think they're philosophical and intelligent when they're clearly not.

R85, Thank you for that very informative post. From the airplane parts found and their location what can now be deduced re the exact cause of MH370's demise and the condition and location it hit the ocean?

Interesting, R92.

So what were they looking for on Madagascar, and what would be the motive behind killing him?

I think CNN needs to do another 500 stories on this.

R98, Apparently Madagascar is where most of the airline pieces have shown up. Both of the 2 Malaysian and American investigators would have let the natives know to set aside any possible airline parts.

IMHO this proves beyond a reasonable doubt the condition of the plane when it went into the water.

A muslim government will never admit a muslim pilot committed suicide, explains why they drag their feet.

I don't really care about those dead Asians any longer because now I have Miles.

[quote]IMHO this proves beyond a reasonable doubt the condition of the plane when it went into the water.

Planes to do not “go into the water.” They crash and break up on impact with the water.

R103, How large would the pieces be of a plane that crashes into the water if it ran out of fuel versus if it had a small fire in the baggage department due to faulty lithium batteries or another unknown reason? Several observers at the time said they saw a plane with the tail fire like it was going to explode including a couple boating in the Indian Ocean.

Were those who saw a Boeing of the same description flying low very near to Diego Garcia ever proven to be mistaken?

You'd be surprised at the number of eyewitness reports of plane crashes claim there was visible fire in the air before the crash, and later video or other evidence proves otherwise. Eyewitnesses are extremely unreliable.

[quote]How large would the pieces be of a plane that crashes into the water if it ran out of fuel versus if it had a small fire in the baggage department due to faulty lithium batteries or another unknown reason?

That’s like asking how much damage would a car suffer if it crashes into a tree. There’s too many variables: speed, weight, attitude, etc.

How much news footage of plane crashes have you seen? Some are heavily damaged planes, others are not even recognizable as planes.

[quote]Funny how people just willingly believe what the government tells them.

Even funnier is the notion the “the gubmint” is like one of those plate spinners on the Ed Sullivan Show, skillfully keeping all these wackadoodle conspiracies spinning at the same time.

Anyone who has had firsthand experience with the day to day workings of government can just laugh and assure you that “the government” couldn’t find its butt if it had a bell on it.

The idea that the pilot committed suicide is certainly persuasive, but it then requires certain actions that aren’t as easy as one might think. It demands for instance that he kill or incapacitate the rest of the airplanes crew, all of whom would presumably do everything they could to preserve themselves.

And this kind of struggle would absolutely lead to alarm amongst the passengers. But why didn’t anyone try to send any sort of communication? I assume the plane had the same sort of WiFi available that airlines offer today. Why was there no communication from any of the passengers? At all?

My suspicion is there was a problem with the oxygen and everyone passed out at more or less the same time, then the plane just travelled until it fell. That has happened before.

That's plausible, R108, but doesn't entirely explain things. The plane's transponder turned off just when entering Vietnamese air control and later radar tracks shows it maneuvered back over Malaysia for an hour, but as if under pilot control before disappearing. A simple loss of cabin pressure wouldn't cause that.

Evidence points to either the pilot or the co-pilot and nobody seriously considered the latter because he was one of those guys who got his job through connections rather than aptitude.

The transponder being turned off just as the plane was changing airspace from Malaysia to Vietnam, turning back and straddling the border between Malaysia's and Thailand's radar coverage, another turn to go around the northern tip of Sumatra... there's also evidence that the plane briefly went to a higher altitude while it was recrossing peninsular Malaysia which would cause the oxygen masks to drop but that's only something like 15 minutes of breathing time. Would people be panicking too much to use their cell phones though?

I'd read the pilot had recently attended a rally for Anwar, the disgraced politician. Anwar was very popular, so popular that his own party leader/prime minister trumped up charges against him. I lost count of how many times he was arrested and tried and jailed and then re-tried. So the thinking is that the pilot was an Anwar supporter who wanted to embarrass the government.

The irony--and it's huge--is that Anwar is now out of prison, the PM who conspired against him was recently re-elected after being out of power for at least a decade (now in his 90s) and Anwar is in position to succeed him *again*.

There was an episode of "Air Crash Investigations" about this. As always on that show, they went painstakingly through all the reasons why they determined it could not have been mechanical failure or a bomb. The key piece of evidence was that, although the pilot turned off the radar transponder, there is another transponder which "pings" a smaller number of receivers on the ground, like your cellphone pings at the towers it passes. It's a much less sophisticated tracking device but it can't be turned off from the cockpit (you have to get down into the electricals), so it stayed on till the plane crashed.

It took investigators a while to use it to track the plane's course, but it showed that the plane had changed direction twice, over a period of three or four hours after last signoff, in a way that appeared considered. Autopilot could not have done it, nor could an uncontrolled plane. When the oxygen mask drops above your seat, it only gives you 11 minutes of oxygen, because the premise is that the pilot will be bringing the plane low enough for you to breathe within that time. So the passengers would've been gone in 15 minutes. They would not necessarily have panicked much, because the plane wasn't doing anything: the pilot just turned off the cabin pressure and flew on. The copilot, and any steward who was trying to get into the locked cockpit, would've passed out almost immediately, probably out of sight of the passengers. But the pilot and copilot have enough oxygen in their masks to last them hours, and if it was the pilot going rogue, he'd have waited for the copilot to leave before starting his illegal procedures, so he'd have had both masks. (Since then provision has been made that there always has to be somebody else in the cockpit with the pilot.)

Finally, the plane crashed in a section of the Indian Ocean which was famously a "dark zone" for plane comms of any kind.

The show did say that no motive could be established for the pilot to do what he did, but investigators could not think of any other scenario to explain the plane's behaviour. The fact that he turned off the transponder in the 1 minute between contact with the Malaysian tower and the Vietnamese one suggests it was deliberate at that stage.

It's hard to imagine what motivation a hijacker would have for flying the plane around for many hours, with or without live passengers, and then just disappearing it. There's nowhere it could secretly have landed in the sea anywhere near its likely resting place. Nor is there anything a bomber could have aimed at in Australia. There's about five people and a dog per thousand miles until you get all the way down to Perth, which is several hours of flying down the Australian coast. More likely, the pilot didn't want to commit suicide actively for religious reasons, so he just flew it towards a "dark zone" in time for the fuel to run out.

You always know when a poll has come out showing Bernie dropping.

R112 is even more lost than Malaysia Airlines MH 370!

Get a clue, fucktard.

Occam's razor. What likely happened is what happened. There is no conspiracy theory here. It was either murder-suicide by the pilot, or someone hijacked the plane and it went down.

Muslims don't commit suicide unless it's in the name of Allah. Since no Allah was invoked and named, it stands to reason it was not suicide.

Were you in the cockpit R115?

If a plane’s altitude is high enough for supplemental oxygen masks to drop is it also too far from ground towers for cell phone service?

I assume that if supplemental oxygen masks drop the passengers would put them on rather than try to make phone calls.

On 9/11 Americans used cellphones to call in the middle of a hijacking

The likely scenario is that one of the pilots flew up and turned off supplemental oxygen rendering everyone unconscious and causing a painless, silent death. I think I saw it on a recreation show.

Gosh, what other kinds of recreation did that show feature, R120?

Since the evidence points to a murder-suicide, I'm guessing it was the pilot's porn collection. That, or some other incriminating shit he didn't want found.