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AOC and others hit back at Pelosi

She is probably hiding.

Pelosi landed a solid burn on freshmen Democrats Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Pressley “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world,” Pelosi was quoted by Maureen Dowd. “But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people and that’s how many votes they got.”

Well 𝗢𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗶𝗼-𝗖𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗲𝘇 took it pretty personally.

Her first tweet was loaded with snark as she implied that Pelosi is out of touch with the public. “That public ‘whatever’ is called public sentiment,” she wrote. She also said that the power of that sentiment is how “we actually” achieve change. That “actually” is another obvious dig. She’s saying that the old, establishment Democrats don’t know what the Democrat base wants, and haven’t done anything worthwhile anyway.

“I don’t believe it was a good idea for Dems to blindly trust the Trump admin when so many kids have died in their custody,” she said, obliquely laying the deaths of children at Pelosi’s doorstep. She then more explicitly said that “people’s lives are getting bargained” by Democrats like Pelosi in their attempts to work with Republicans.

A few hours later, Ocasio-Cortez went in on Pelosi again. In that tweet, she explicitly defended herself for her Twitter-focused activism and political base. Perhaps in the intervening time the responses by her followers compelled her to defend them. And she went after the whole party while she was at it. “I haven’t dialed for dollars *once* this year, & have more time to do my actual job. Yet we’d rather campaign like it’s 2008,” she said.

On Sunday, ABC’s Martha Raddatz asked Rep. 𝗧𝗹𝗮𝗶𝗯 about it, and she, too, spared no kind words or caveats as she likewise bashed the Speaker in response.

Raddatz quoted Pelosi’s comments, prompting Tlaib to offer a response.

“ But many of us have been missing in the halls of Congress. More people like us, people of color have been missing in the chamber Tlaib replied, immediately framing it as an us vs. them along racial lines, with Pelosi being the “them.”

“And I’ll tell you right now, we’re not going to stand by and sit idly by and allow brown and dark-skinned children to be ripped away from their parents to be dehumanized,” she added, obviously suggesting that Pelosi doesn’t care about the children as much as she should, because of their race or ethnicity.

Honor the fact we are there, that 650,000 people are represented by each and every single one of us, that there is some sort of, I think in many ways, something special about having a refugee, having a woman that, you know, has experienced alone what incarceration has done to her family, right,” said Tlaib. “All of us have these experiences that I think have been missing in the halls of Congress.”

Again, by saying it has been missing, it’s a very straightforward attack the party establishment as being old and white and not representative of or invested in the lives of people or communities of color.

“Honor that, respect that, put us at the table,” said Tlaib. “Let’s come up with a solution together.”

She took an aside to defend again her no vote, over which Raddatz had earlier challenged her, and then went back to bashing Pelosi.

“Uplift the women, especially the women of color, within your caucus that are out there because I’ll tell you more people like us, more people like me that come out to vote, we win, all of us win,” she began, as Raddatz cut in to tell her they were out of time.

“It is very disappointing that the Speaker would ever try to diminish our voices in so many ways,” Tlaib got in before they had to end the interview and toss to the break.

Michigan Congressman and former Republican 𝗝𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗻 𝗔𝗺𝗮𝘀𝗵 said that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi should have kept her mouth shut about impeaching President Donald Trump if she wasn’t prepared to begin the process.

On Sunday morning;s edition of CNN’s State of the Union with Jake Tapper, host and anchor Jake Tapper asked Amash if Pelosi is bungling the impeachment issue.

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by Anonymousreply 177August 2, 2019 1:24 PM

Pelosi is establishment through and through, there's no getting around it. That's just what happens when you've been in the game for so long.

by Anonymousreply 1July 7, 2019 10:23 PM

I have to give points to AOC on this one.

by Anonymousreply 2July 7, 2019 10:26 PM

This AOC bitch is a troublemaker and needs to go. This is why Republicans are doing so well. The Democrats are the only ones to tear apart their own in public. This AOC bitch just likes getting attention. She could have said this shit behind closed doors if she was serious instead of using the media to dear Democrats apart. Can't stand her.

by Anonymousreply 3July 7, 2019 10:44 PM

Not the brown skinned and dark skinned children!!

by Anonymousreply 4July 7, 2019 10:46 PM

[quote]This is why Republicans are doing so well.

Erm, no. Did you not see Kamala's numbers shoot up after the first debate? The Dems clearly want to see fire and righteous anger already, not the polite standing in the corner, waiting for their turn, and appeasing the GOP left and right.

by Anonymousreply 5July 7, 2019 10:48 PM

R5 Do you really think it helps when a bitch like AOC is tearing apart people from her own party in public? Republicans love it. I've seen several comments under stories where Republicans say they love seeing Democrats eat their own.

by Anonymousreply 6July 7, 2019 10:58 PM

r6 She's energizing the (previously apathetic) young voters and starting conversations about things that were taken for granted up to this point. Sometimes you just gotta risk it a little to improve the status quo. Being cautious gave us Trump, after all.

We're not eating our own, we're talking like we have never talked before, albeit passionately. Confronting what doesn't work is always painful but we'll be better for it in the end.

by Anonymousreply 7July 7, 2019 11:07 PM

Freshman should be seen and not heard. Their elections were flukes. If they can win second terms, then lets hear from them. Just because you get on the cover of a few magazines doesn't make you hot shit. AOC and the rest need go somewhere and sit down, they are fucking it up for everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 8July 7, 2019 11:20 PM

R7 come out from under all that bubble wrap , dear.

by Anonymousreply 9July 7, 2019 11:28 PM

r9 Not a fan of self-reflection, I gather?

by Anonymousreply 10July 7, 2019 11:28 PM

[quote]Her first tweet was loaded with snark as she implied that Pelosi is out of touch with the public. “That public ‘whatever’ is called public sentiment,” she wrote.

Or echo chamber of like-mineded people since those would be the people who follow any particular person.

by Anonymousreply 11July 7, 2019 11:29 PM

AOC doesn’t have to dial for dollars because she lives in a safe district. Whoever wins the democratic primary is the next representative. She naturally attacks other Democrats because that is what she had to do to get elected and will have to do to win again.

The vast majority of the freshman class, the ones who gave the Democrats control of House, come from competitive districts and they have to spend to campaign against an actual opponent.

by Anonymousreply 12July 7, 2019 11:36 PM

If you read Pelosi's whole statement, which isn't posted here, she goes on to say how she still has "Single Payer" protest signs from thirty years ago collecting dust in her basement. And that pretty much sums it up. These people have been the establishment for so long now that they don't remember the passion they had when they were younger. They've forgotten what its like to struggle, because they don't have to anymore. (those who even had to in the first place) Their families don't have to worry about it either. So while their hearts may be in the right place, they don't really know what twenty thirty somethings are going though in this environment under such a toxic Republican leadership.

Cortez came from nothing and look at where she is now. That's a story to be admired. And yes, she's clearly wet behind the ears and is a little too brash in her approach. That's where mentors should come in and guide this woman. Why trash her, and more importantly, why trash the people who admire her and might want to pursue a career in politics themselves someday?

by Anonymousreply 13July 7, 2019 11:56 PM

AOC is the best thing that's happened to the Democrats in years.

by Anonymousreply 14July 7, 2019 11:59 PM

[quote]AOC is the best thing that's happened to the Democrats in years.

Or the best thing to happen to the rethugs in years.

Time and the next presidential election will tell.

by Anonymousreply 15July 8, 2019 12:02 AM

[quote]they don't really know what twenty thirty somethings are going though in this environment under such a toxic Republican leadership.

If the 20somethings got off their asses to vote in EVERY election, then they might get the government they are looking for. But they can't be bothered, so nothing changes. Everyone is always looking for some quick fix to solve their problems with government. But we have the power in our hands to solve so many of society's biggest problems, but so few choose to use it.

[quote]AOC is the best thing that's happened to the Democrats in years.

She is a loudmouth who got a lucky break.

by Anonymousreply 16July 8, 2019 12:03 AM

R14 No she's not. She and the other Freshmen are Far Left radicals who are rocking the boat and causing a rift among the Democrats. Just what the Republicans want.

by Anonymousreply 17July 8, 2019 12:04 AM

AOCs pal, our sister Miss Caban thinks she's going to be the Democratic candidate for District Attorney in Queens County. A recount is going on to be completed by July 16. Her opponent, county borough president Melinda Katz is favored by the political machine. Sadly, only 8% of registered voters showed up at the polls. People don't care about primaries., but they should.

A 26% voter turn-out is why NYC has Bill deBlasio as mayor.

by Anonymousreply 18July 8, 2019 12:05 AM

[quote]If the 20somethings got off their asses to vote in EVERY election, then they might get the government they are looking for. But they can't be bothered, so nothing changes

That was happening when Pelosi and Biden were starting out as well.

[quote]She and the other Freshmen are Far Left radicals who are rocking the boat and causing a rift among the Democrats. Just what the Republicans want.

Meanwhile, Trump attacked AOC today. I guess Pelosi gave him what he wanted as well.

by Anonymousreply 19July 8, 2019 12:08 AM

AOC is drunk on her own Kool Aid for winning an ultra low-turnout primary in a D+29 district. She's acting as if her victory was sweeping in a new era of Democratic Socialism (when was the old one?). Her hubris is entirely annoying and the media trumpeting her every squeak has given her a false notion of her own importance. Many wish she's shut the fuck up!

by Anonymousreply 20July 8, 2019 12:09 AM

The bloom will fall of the AOC rose when the media starts to ask her tougher questions. Right now she goes relatively unchallenged. The second she gets asked "how" people will see that she's like Bernie -- all slogan and no substance.

by Anonymousreply 21July 8, 2019 12:27 AM

I fucking sick and tired of Democrats ripping on other Democrats. Remember who the enemy is.

by Anonymousreply 22July 8, 2019 12:31 AM

[quote] AOC is the best thing that's happened to the Democrats in years.

And right on time, a few prisspots have shown up and said why she's awful.

The Democrats have been incredibly timid for most of the last 40 years. We need people who can fight, either hard or dirty or both. She's willing to go hard.

Waiting for permission will be the death of us.

by Anonymousreply 23July 8, 2019 12:43 AM

Great. Aim her at Trump, not at Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 24July 8, 2019 12:47 AM

last time DEms were rowdy was 1968. We know how that went

by Anonymousreply 25July 8, 2019 12:55 AM

Clearly, some of these people don't, r25.

by Anonymousreply 26July 8, 2019 12:57 AM

[quote]The Democrats have been incredibly timid for most of the last 40 years. We need people who can fight, either hard or dirty or both. She's willing to go hard.

I'd rather she advocate for policies with which I agree, than spend time helping the rethugs tear down other Dems.

So far, she has not articulated on policy position with which I agree. If that's what SHE's fighting for, we will not be fighting on the same side.

by Anonymousreply 27July 8, 2019 12:58 AM

[quote]Erm, no. Did you not see Kamala's numbers shoot up after the first debate? The Dems clearly want to see fire and righteous anger already, not the polite standing in the corner, waiting for their turn, and appeasing the GOP left and right.

Yeah, but Kamala at least gives off the appearance of being smart and focused and prepared.

AOC seems like a shrill, whiny moron.

by Anonymousreply 28July 8, 2019 1:05 AM

r13 she did Not come from nothing. Her family was upper middle class.

These three women broke a ceiling but not only are they ruining it for themselves but for those that would have followed them.

They should have ALL kept them mouths shut until after this election.

by Anonymousreply 29July 8, 2019 1:07 AM

their mouths, not them mouths. don't know how that got past me.

by Anonymousreply 30July 8, 2019 1:08 AM

AOC needs to take several seats.

by Anonymousreply 31July 8, 2019 1:11 AM

[quote]I fucking sick and tired of Democrats ripping on other Democrats. Remember who the enemy is.

Exactly. This is why that bitch needs to go away. You don't do that shit in public to your own. You don't see Republicans doing this to other Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 32July 8, 2019 1:28 PM

She's new. She will settle down.

by Anonymousreply 33July 8, 2019 1:30 PM

R33 No she won't. She's an attention seeker.

by Anonymousreply 34July 8, 2019 1:33 PM

[quote]She's energizing the (previously apathetic) young voters

Energizing them to do what? Vote against Democrats. Do you not remember her and Sanders backing more conservative Dems in places like Kansas because those Dems allied themselves with Sanders? The Kansas district that got an out lesbian Democratic representative almost didn't because of her interference.

She's too new and too easily manipulated by troublemakers like Sanders. You have to remember that a big part of the leftie identity is to be a shit-stirrer just for the sake of stirring shit. It's a bad look because she and others of her political alignment often have very solid ideas, but they can't present them in a way that appeals to anyone except other lefties, and undermine themselves.

Sometimes I think it's what they want, because victimhood is gold in politics.

[quote]Being cautious gave us Trump, after all.

Absofuckinglutely not, and you should be embarrassed that you even said that out loud.

by Anonymousreply 35July 8, 2019 1:36 PM

R34 oh, okay, she won't. What are the winning lotto numbers next week, prognosticator?

by Anonymousreply 36July 8, 2019 1:37 PM

The interesting bit is the right wing despises her too. Merely the mention of her name is enough to send a right winger in a fit of rage. It's similar to how they reacted to Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 37July 8, 2019 1:38 PM

Will they ever, R21? The media loves it when Democrats attack each other. They couldn't get enough of all the people shitting on HRC after she lost, as though she was just a bad campaigner and not that, oh, I dunno, the fucking FBI interfered in the election, or that Trump was in bed with foreign countries peddling propaganda.

They love AOC because she's causing drama. That's all the media wants anymore.

by Anonymousreply 38July 8, 2019 1:38 PM

Any democrat is better than any republican. Even if you don't agree on all policy, there are many things we can find common ground on or compromise on. And sometimes you have to suck it up and support things that you are not favor of for the greater good. People like AOC don't see it that way. If you aren't completely for us, then you are completely against us and must be vanquished. Democrats need to 1) stop devouring each other because you disagree on minor points and 2) stop fighting intra-party battles in the press and in public. It's not a good look.

by Anonymousreply 39July 8, 2019 2:08 PM

GOOD. Pelosi, like the entire Democratic establishment, is in the pockets of big Pharma and the insurance companies who profit from our healthcare. Healthcare is a human right, and people should come before profits for the wealthiest.

by Anonymousreply 40July 8, 2019 2:13 PM

[quote]And sometimes you have to suck it up and support things that you are not favor of for the greater good.

You think the status quo benefits "the greater good???" You think healthcare for profit, an economy that serves billionaires, and endless wars are for "the greater good???"

You really should reread what you wrote. The cognitive dissonance is Trumpian.

by Anonymousreply 41July 8, 2019 2:16 PM

I don't have to reread anything. I stand by what I wrote the first time.

by Anonymousreply 42July 8, 2019 2:19 PM

Orcasio-Cortez, Tlaib, Omar. The Dem banshees whose shrieking gives voters nightmares.

by Anonymousreply 43July 8, 2019 2:24 PM

The three Harpies

by Anonymousreply 44July 8, 2019 2:32 PM

I'm finding the points that I don't agree with her on aren't minor, r39. She has no understanding of economics and as a result I find her platform quite fiscally irresponsible and her thoughts on MMT dangerous. What's going to end up happening is similar to the Republicans where the moderates will be driven out. And if they're smart, they'll combine and form a third party so we can stop settling on politicians.

by Anonymousreply 45July 8, 2019 2:37 PM

AOC challenges the status quo and you guys get pissed. The repub representatives don't say anything about Trump and you get pissed. There is nothing wrong with challenging the status quo. AOC is a breath of fresh air.

by Anonymousreply 46July 8, 2019 2:40 PM

One "challenges the status quo" with knowledge, logic, and temperance, not antics suited to a school playground.

by Anonymousreply 47July 8, 2019 2:43 PM

We can challenge the status quo once we wrest control back from the fascist traitors who stole the presidency.

Can we fucking take care of THAT first? Because if we don't, none of her other policies are going to have a chance in hell of becoming real.

by Anonymousreply 48July 8, 2019 2:48 PM

The Hill: Ocasio-Cortez responds to report that Trump compared her to Eva Perón

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by Anonymousreply 49July 8, 2019 3:09 PM

Washington Post: Tensions flare over Pelosi’s comments about four House Democratic women and border bill

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by Anonymousreply 50July 8, 2019 3:12 PM

Pelosi had no control over the Senate walking back the more strict policies on immigrant care and custody. The bill passed in the House by Pelosi was a better one than what did eventually get passed. They're blaming Pelosi for things that are the Senate's fault.

And if the Dems had refused to pass the bill, the GOP would have slammed them hard for wanting to provide necessities for the immigrants but then refusing to pay for it.

Pelosi also said in the interview that the media is letting McConnell get away with it, and that they're ignoring that he doesn't care about kids, and she's right.

Why can't AOC do more of that "Where's Mitch?" kind of thing she did a few months ago? It was effective and building momentum and she dropped it.

by Anonymousreply 51July 8, 2019 3:23 PM

Pelosi is the adult in the room.

by Anonymousreply 52July 8, 2019 3:25 PM

The problem is you gave Trump what he wanted. Now you want to negotiate with the repubs and Trump on the treatment of the migrants. What is the incentive for them to negotiate with dems now?

by Anonymousreply 53July 8, 2019 3:29 PM

[quote]I stand by what I wrote the first time.

So you’re a hypocrite and a mindless follower of the establishment? Good to know, I won’t be reading any more from you.

by Anonymousreply 54July 8, 2019 3:32 PM

They weren't going to negotiate with the Dems in the first place, R53. They haven't negotiated with Democrats in YEARS.

You are woefully underinformed about the situation the country and the Democrats are in if you think all we have to do is stand up like plucky little citizens and the Republicans will listen and negotiate.

by Anonymousreply 55July 8, 2019 3:44 PM

You are really ignorant R55 if you don't understand by giving the repub and Trump what they wanted the dems lost their bargaining chip. BTW, that wasn't a scenario I posted. Now the dems are trying to negotiate for the better treatment of the migrants. There are actually some of us that pay attention to what the hell is going on.

by Anonymousreply 56July 8, 2019 3:48 PM

[quote]If the 20somethings got off their asses to vote in EVERY election, then they might get the government they are looking for. But they can't be bothered, so nothing changes

Actually they are getting off their asses, and they are doing something about it.

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by Anonymousreply 57July 8, 2019 3:51 PM

They had no bargaining chip.

Refusing funding would have been spun as the Democrats refusing to feed and house the immigrants. Did you miss the right-wing reaction to Wayfair employees going on strike because Wayfair sold furniture to the concentration camps? It was entirely framed as "so, these SJWs don't want the immigrants to have beds to sleep on?" and much of the media went with that. The exact same would have happened here with Dems if they had refused all funding.

On top of that, in case you haven't noticed, the cruelty is the point with the GOP. They would have manipulated the situation to harm immigrants and make sure the press saw it and blamed it on Dems.

Absolutely astonishing that you think this was a bargaining chip.

by Anonymousreply 58July 8, 2019 3:53 PM

It is astonishing is you are completely unaware that giving the repubs and Trump what they wanted and now having to go back and grovel is not a good look R58.

by Anonymousreply 59July 8, 2019 4:01 PM

R57 registering to vote and standing online (in some places for hours) to vote are two different things.

by Anonymousreply 60July 8, 2019 4:11 PM

[quote] You think healthcare for profit, an economy that serves billionaires, and endless wars are for "the greater good???

Do you actually think this is the stated policy goal of any Democrat? It is precisely this kind of ignorance and hysterics that damage the Democratic Party. Wake up. Your enemy is Trump.

by Anonymousreply 61July 8, 2019 5:35 PM

[quote]Do you actually think this is the stated policy goal of any Democrat?

No, R61, it’s the reality we’ve lived under for 30 years.

Try and argue otherwise. We’ve been in a state of war non stop since before 9/11, basically since the Gulf War. We DO have an economy and a tax code that favors billionaires; none existed 30 years ago. Now we have exactly 3 (Buffet, Bezos and Gates) who have more wealth combinesd than the bottom 50%. I won’t even bother discussing healthcare since it’s so obviously rigged to make money for the richest at the expense of the most vulnerable and desperate.

You’re acting like I’m absurd because no Democrat comes right out and says it, yet anyone with half a brain can just look around and see that everything I posted is already true and has been for decades.

[quote]You enemy is Trump.

Simplistic drivel. Our enemy, or mine anyway, is the people who perpetuate massive wealth inequality and other Trumpian realities. So called “centrists” who prop-up a corrupt Democratic hierarchy and rubber stamp the ever rightward shift of a party that resembles the GOP of 20 years ago more than any actually progressive movement are my enemy, just as much as Trump and his cohorts.

by Anonymousreply 62July 8, 2019 6:29 PM

AOC is a dumb cunt. She’s gone next year.

by Anonymousreply 63July 8, 2019 6:32 PM

[quote]and a tax code that favors billionaires; none existed 30 years ago.

Not true. While the marginal rate was higher, there were so many loopholes the wealthy used to avoid paying the marginal rate. More tax dollars were collected after JFK lowered the marginal rate in the 60s because it was more cost effective to pay taxes than to shelter money. When Reagan lowered the tax rate in the 80s he also closed some loopholes and again the amount of taxes collected increased.

by Anonymousreply 64July 8, 2019 6:39 PM

[quote] We’ve been in a state of war non stop since before 9/11, basically since the Gulf War.

How many of those wars started by Democrats?

[quote] We DO have an economy and a tax code that favors billionaires; none existed 30 years ago.

You are calling me simplistic? Look into inflation.

[quote] I won’t even bother discussing healthcare

Because it doesn't fit your narrative. Every advance in healthcare has come from one party.

[quote] You’re acting like I’m absurd because no Democrat comes right out and says it, yet anyone with half a brain can just look around and see that everything I posted is already true and has been for decades.

Actually, anyone with half a brain could see that every policy that has mitigated income inequality in the last century has come from Democrats and every policy that has exacerbated it has come from the Republicans.

[quote] Simplistic drivel. Our enemy, or mine anyway, is the people who perpetuate massive wealth inequality and other Trumpian realities.

That would be Republicans, not Democrats.

What is simplistic drivel would be the argument that destroying Democrats like Pelosi would get you any of your stated goals. Destroying Democrats like Pelosi and driving voters to the Republican Party is shooting yourself in the head.

by Anonymousreply 65July 8, 2019 6:39 PM

[quote]Actually, anyone with half a brain could see that every policy that has mitigated income inequality in the last century has come from Democrats and every policy that has exacerbated it has come from the Republicans.

Bill Clinton set a few things in motion that helped widen the income inequality gap.

by Anonymousreply 66July 8, 2019 6:44 PM

Not a response to the quoted text. Did I say, "Every policy every Dem has ever supported mitigated income inequality?" No I did not. I said every policy that has mitigated income equality has come from Dems. There is a difference.

by Anonymousreply 67July 8, 2019 6:47 PM

Wow, we’ve got quite the waterboy for the DNC here.

Most of R65 is too laughable to address but this:

[quote]How many of those wars started by Democrats?

Is fucking insulting. EVERY LAST ONE of those wars was SUPPORTED by Democrats in congress.

Such moronic, black and white thinking. “DEMOCRATS GOOD, TRUMP [bold]BAD! [/bold] Such a bold, brave position. And so refreshing!

We’re not falling for it anymore. Some rainbow flags and toothless pro-choice rhetoric do not make establishment Democrats “GOOD.” Everything else they’ve enabled makes them wholly complicit in what we live with now.

by Anonymousreply 68July 8, 2019 6:48 PM

[quote] Most of [R65] is too laughable to address

So, like before with healthcare, when you have no actual leg to stand on to rebut you sidestep.

by Anonymousreply 69July 8, 2019 6:50 PM

R67 income inequality rose considerably under Bill Clinton because he pushed through policies that didn't mitigate income inequality and had no intention of mitigating income inequality.

by Anonymousreply 70July 8, 2019 6:51 PM

Again, not a response to the quoted text. No one ever said all Democrats have only pushed through policies that have mitigated income inequality.

Despite what someone else is saying, this is not "All Dems good" argument. It is more nuanced than that.

by Anonymousreply 71July 8, 2019 6:54 PM

You're quoted text is wrong, r71. Face the facts.

by Anonymousreply 72July 8, 2019 7:37 PM

[quote] Your quoted text is wrong, [R71]. Face the facts.

Yet, no one has actually addressed the point made.

by Anonymousreply 73July 8, 2019 8:06 PM

Can’t these extremists start their own political party? Why do they have to foul up the Democratic nest?

Her values and (what I’m guessing, since it’s not very clear) platform are almost as far from mine as the far right’s are.

And talk about “young people”... as soon as “young people” start drawing a paycheck and seeing the amount of tax withheld, the penny drops.

It’ll be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 74July 8, 2019 8:15 PM

I did address it, r73. You keep moving the goal post, which is typical for someone who got caught.

by Anonymousreply 75July 8, 2019 8:35 PM

[quote] You keep moving the goal post

Not at all. That's a lie, plain and simple. Same argument in each of my posts.

by Anonymousreply 76July 8, 2019 8:40 PM

No, r76, it's not. It's also not an argument. You keep giving an opinion.

by Anonymousreply 77July 8, 2019 8:45 PM

[quote] No, [R76], it's not. It's also not an argument. You keep giving an opinion.

Wrong again. What I said, and continue to say, is an argument. If you want to get anything done about income inequality and any number of social problems you can't have Democrats tearing each other down. You need to aim your ire at Republicans who have absolutely no interest in addressing those problems. That is my argument. Same as always.

You may think my argument is wrong. That would be an opinion. You might even make an argument of your own. But you would have to engage with my actual argument. Which you are not doing.

Unless you think Dems tearing each other apart, letting Republicans win, would actually address the problems you pretend to care about.

by Anonymousreply 78July 8, 2019 8:50 PM

R78, the first thing I quoted from you was your statement about the tax code. Clearly it was an opinion. And clearly you don't understand what happened and why when the marginal rate was first lowered under JFK-- a Democrat.

Then I quoted you as saying only Democrats make policies that fix income inequality and Republicans exacerbate it.

Also it's clear that you don't understand the policies that Clinton -- a Democrat -- that exacerbate it.

by Anonymousreply 79July 8, 2019 9:03 PM

[quote] Then I quoted you as saying only Democrats make policies that fix income inequality and Republicans exacerbate it.

I said that. It is true.

[quote] Also it's clear that you don't understand the policies that Clinton -- a Democrat -- that exacerbate it.

It is clear you don't understand logic. Saying that ONLY Democrats make policies that address income equality is NOT the same as saying that Democrats ONLY make policies that address income equality.

by Anonymousreply 80July 8, 2019 9:15 PM

Again, r80, you're moving that goal post. You're cherry picking information and being very black, and white about something that's not as simplistic as you make it out to be. Clinton's policies caused a huge jump in income inequality and under your scenario of Democrats only did good he doesn't fit. Likewise with JFK lowering the top marginal tax rate.

by Anonymousreply 81July 8, 2019 9:51 PM

[quote] Democrats only did good

I never said that. You cannot quote where I said that. Because I never said that.

I moved nothing. I cherry-picked nothing. You just are completely incapable of reading what I actually wrote.

by Anonymousreply 82July 8, 2019 9:55 PM

[quote]Actually, anyone with half a brain could see that every policy that has mitigated income inequality in the last century has come from Democrats and every policy that has exacerbated it has come from the Republicans.

R82, where does Bill Clinton fall in the above statement. Where does Reagan doing away with tax loopholes fall in the above statement.

by Anonymousreply 83July 8, 2019 10:16 PM

Reagan's tax reform exacerbated income equality despite closing some tax loopholes.

Any number of Democrats can exacerbate income equality and it doesn't make what I said untrue. Because I never said that EVERY Democratic policy has mitigated income equality. What I said was that when income inequality has been mitigated, it has been a Democrat doing it.

by Anonymousreply 84July 8, 2019 10:20 PM

[quote]Reagan's tax reform exacerbated income equality despite closing some tax loopholes.

Yes, I know, but your simplistic black and white thinking doesn't account for both.

by Anonymousreply 85July 8, 2019 10:48 PM

[quote] Yes, I know, but your simplistic black and white thinking doesn't account for both.

My patience with you has run out.

by Anonymousreply 86July 8, 2019 10:57 PM

So then you can't explain why the steepest increases in income inequality occurred under Democrats, r86. Got it.

by Anonymousreply 87July 8, 2019 11:07 PM

[quote] So then you can't explain why the steepest increases in income inequality occurred under Democrats, [R86]. Got it.

Remind me where you showed that? And what your sources were?

by Anonymousreply 88July 8, 2019 11:11 PM

Look at any graph showing historical income inequality, r88.

by Anonymousreply 89July 8, 2019 11:26 PM

Nothing like Democratic in fighting to get Trump elected again.. AOC and pals will be slapped down by the centerists,

by Anonymousreply 90July 8, 2019 11:41 PM

R63, I might agree with you, but your language is just so offensive. We don't call black people "niggers" and we don't call Latinx "spics" and we don't call women "cunts" and we don't call gays "faggots."

Your moral high road is just a hobby horse if you can't practice the same respect you'd like for yourself and others. We call people what they want to be called themselves (or so I would tell a 10-year-old). Presumably, that's not over your head.

by Anonymousreply 91July 8, 2019 11:43 PM

R90 we're in a primary and there's a notable philosophical difference between progressives and moderates so I'm not sure what it is you expect during the primary. If anything it's people like Harris, who are labeling people racists instead of sticking to policy differences, that are doing more damage . And AOC threatening to primary Democrats just shows she doesn't understand the axiom: all politics is local.

by Anonymousreply 92July 8, 2019 11:52 PM

AOC is a dumb moron. Ultimately she voted to NOT send needed money to help children at the border detention camps. She may have her reasons, but she’s also stupid.

by Anonymousreply 93July 9, 2019 12:00 AM

Like Pelosi pointed out, many DLers seem to think that what's being said on Twitter is anything more than the opinions of a handful of loudmouths on Twitter, including Twitler himself

But this isn't the Republic of Twitter and AOC can tweet to her heart's content and it won't change a lot of votes or "energize" more than a handful of voters.

One of the things I'm looking forward to with Biden, if he is the nominee, is that he has no time for Twitter and will likely leave tweeting to his aides.

by Anonymousreply 94July 9, 2019 12:06 AM

I was not originally a Pelosi fan but in the face of Trump, she has been nothing short of masterful. Her taking the House might have saved the Union. Well played, Madam Speaker.

(And I'm sorry but her fashion slays)

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by Anonymousreply 95July 9, 2019 12:59 AM

Pelosi acts diplomatic... but you know she would cut that horrendous AOC botch if she had a chance.

by Anonymousreply 96July 9, 2019 1:04 AM

Twitter is a for profit mental institution in a bad neighbourhood.

by Anonymousreply 97July 9, 2019 1:09 AM

^^^that's what I like about Nancy. She can throw down. She scares Trump and for that she gets my vote. I live in Ayanna's district in Dorchester/Boston and we freakin' love her but I will read her to filth if she messes with my Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 98July 9, 2019 1:21 AM

[Quote] AOC is the best thing that's happened to the Democrats in years. Or the best thing to happen to the rethugs in years.

No, AOC is the best thing that's happened to America in years.

by Anonymousreply 99July 9, 2019 2:53 AM

[QUOTE] When Reagan lowered the tax rate in the 80s he also closed some loopholes

Here's an idea. Let's raise the tax rates AND close all the liopholes.

by Anonymousreply 100July 9, 2019 2:57 AM

Do you want to narrow the gap between the wealthy and the poor? Or do you want to collect more money via taxes?

Pick one.

by Anonymousreply 101July 9, 2019 3:00 AM

[quote]Nothing like Democratic in fighting to get Trump elected again..

Nothing like an idiotic scolding from someone who can't understand what primaries are for.

I'm seeing this everywhere online; discussing and comparing different candidates/ideologies/wings of the Democratic Party gets slammed as "infighting." No, dears, we are having a DISCUSSION, about the future of the party to whichwe ALL belong. You can join the discussion or not, but stop trying to derail the free exchange of opinions and free speech. Trump did NOT get elected because Democrats don't all think alike and march in lockstep. He got elected because Republicans do.

by Anonymousreply 102July 9, 2019 3:03 AM

[Quote] Do you want to narrow the gap between the wealthy and the poor? Or do you want to collect more money via taxes. Pick one.

False choice. Old outdated propaganda Meant to sucker people into voting for the rich and against their own interests.

AOC and group are too smart, too now, to buy into this old crap anymore. Times up, its moved on.

by Anonymousreply 103July 9, 2019 8:14 AM

[quote]I'm seeing this everywhere online; discussing and comparing different candidates/ideologies/wings of the Democratic Party gets slammed as "infighting."

Sorry, [italic]dear[/italic], the snide/angry/unreasonable tone sounds a lot like infighting. And a contingent preparing to take their bombast and go home if centrism prevails.

by Anonymousreply 104July 9, 2019 1:07 PM

[quote]AOC and group are too smart

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by Anonymousreply 105July 9, 2019 1:22 PM

Just remember, the guy who said this:

[quote]we’ve got quite the waterboy for the DNC here.

Also said this:

[quote]I'm seeing this everywhere online; discussing and comparing different candidates/ideologies/wings of the Democratic Party gets slammed as "infighting." No, dears, we are having a DISCUSSION, about the future of the party to whichwe ALL belong.

Everyone who has supported the DNC has gotten yelled at by him and his 2-3 sockpuppets, but here it's "oh I just care about OUR party."

Please. He's a troll and spent hours upon hours moving goalposts and gainsaying for no real reason, the best I can tell.

by Anonymousreply 106July 9, 2019 3:25 PM

R103, Other than poster-like rhetoric, do you have any data to support your assertions?

by Anonymousreply 107July 10, 2019 1:05 AM

R104, Out of curiosity, what's your plan if the centrist electorate decides it won't play ball with the extremists?

There's a price for taking your ball and going home. Maybe you find a new playmate. Maybe you don't.

by Anonymousreply 108July 10, 2019 1:47 AM

When the political aspirations of a sizable portion of your political party, whether GOP or Dem, are being stifled and not given expression, it is time for the party to split into two separate parties. It is not necessarily a bad thing for democracy.

by Anonymousreply 109July 10, 2019 11:09 AM

Prediction: AOC will wind up a highly-sought-after commentator on political discussion panels. She’ll be like the left’s Anne Coulter.

She is pretty and brings the clicks/views and she LOVES the attention.

by Anonymousreply 110July 10, 2019 5:37 PM

Frankly, Pelosi's dig in Dowd's column was unnecessary IMO. It's not productive.

However, AOC is as thin-skinned as Trump. Also she has yet to really prove herself as a policy maker (outside of her role, among many others, in the Green New Deal) and in actually getting things done as in getting laws passed. We've seen announcements about an anti-lobbying bill she's working on with Cruz and another bill with Kamala Harris, so let's see what she can really do before crowning her queen.

Funny how so many here were pro-Pelosi while she was successfully handling Trump. And now this shitstorm of a thread. I will guarantee you that AOC could not have dealt with Trump anywhere near as well. She's too interested in scoring points on social media.

by Anonymousreply 111July 10, 2019 6:31 PM

^^^R111, I like AOC but you've hit upon a weakness I hadn't actually considered. She IS thin skinned and lacks the restraint to rise above the fray in a respectful way that elevates the discussion. I still appreciate her but she best not mess with Mama Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 112July 10, 2019 6:42 PM

[quote] It is not necessarily a bad thing for democracy.

It would very much be a bad thing in the United States. Democrats splitting into two parties would kill our democracy.

by Anonymousreply 113July 10, 2019 6:44 PM

AOC is young and new to politics. She's not a dummy so I think she will learn to not let little things get under her skin. I do like that she has a fighting spirit.

by Anonymousreply 114July 10, 2019 6:45 PM

Cauliflower is a colonial vegetable. It is problematic and should not be grown in community gardens.

by Anonymousreply 115July 10, 2019 6:51 PM

R110, you are aware that AOC already has a job, yes? She's a sitting congress woman and a rising political star. She us hardly "the left's Ann Coulter." Ann Coulter is a grifter who has never won an election or represented anything. She's not fit to be in the same sentence as AOC.

by Anonymousreply 116July 10, 2019 6:51 PM

[quote]She's not a dummy so...

She's not that smart either.

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by Anonymousreply 117July 10, 2019 7:05 PM

Pelosi is an elitist cunt and an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 118July 10, 2019 9:02 PM

[quote]She's not a dummy

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by Anonymousreply 119July 10, 2019 9:32 PM

Following the decision by an appeals court upholding a ruling that President Donald Trump can’t block users from following him on Twitter, a similar lawsuit in New York made news. This time, it’s Democrat Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is likewise facing court over the same thing: blocking people on Twitter.

Former New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a Democrat, is suing the congresswoman for blocking him on Twitter after, he says, his criticism of her referring to border detention facilities as “concentration camps.”

The complaint states that the plaintiff, Hikind, “is a known and staunch advocate for Jewish causes and the State of Israel,” and “founder of Americans Against Anti-Semitism,” and that, “importantly, Mr. Hikind has criticized” AOC on Twitter many times, including “in response to AOC’s claims that the United States Government is running ‘concentration camps’ on the boarder[sic], similar to those in the Holocaust.”

“Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has blocked me on Twitter yesterday apparently because my critique of her tweets and policies have been too stinging,” Hikind said on Tuesday. He also tweeted that “no one is above the law,” along with an animated gif encouraging others who have been blocked to get in touch with him.

Hikind said on Tuesday that the appeals court has “affirmed a ruling that elected officials cannot block individuals from their Twitter accounts, thereby setting a precedent that Ocasio-Cortez must follow.”

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by Anonymousreply 120July 10, 2019 9:42 PM

Prediction: AOC will be the first Latina president of the US of A.

by Anonymousreply 121July 10, 2019 9:54 PM

[quote]Prediction: AOC will be the first Latina president of the US of A.—Ann Coulter

Let’s first see if Ann Coulter is correct about her prediction that Kamala Harris will be the next President.

She correctly predicted Trump would win the Presidency in 2016.

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by Anonymousreply 122July 10, 2019 10:00 PM

[Quote] It would very much be a bad thing in the United States. Democrats splitting into two parties would kill our democracy.

How about the GOP splitting into two parties? Would that be good for democracy? You must agree the two-party system has been terrible for democracy, Shirley.

by Anonymousreply 123July 10, 2019 10:04 PM

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by Anonymousreply 124July 10, 2019 10:21 PM

The Republicans are Nazis at this point. That party needs to die.

The Democratic establishment, aka Pelosi, Biden, the Clintons, and that wing of the party, should become the new Republican party (different name of course). The left wing of the Democratic Party, aka Warren, Sanders, AOC, can be the New Democratic Party.

This country needs a reset button.

by Anonymousreply 125July 10, 2019 10:35 PM

Warren, Sanders, AOC, should become the New Socialists, or Progressives, or something of that foolish nature.

by Anonymousreply 126July 10, 2019 10:37 PM

Agreed R125 that this country needs a reset button. If this continues, the Democratic Party will implode and the fat orange fuck gets another term in office.

by Anonymousreply 127July 10, 2019 10:38 PM

R116, yes I know that. She’s going to get bored of the actual work required of her. She doesn’t want to legislate or actually represent. She wants to act out in ways that her constituents won’t like. She wants to mouth off and argue and opine in ways that will alienate her from just about everyone she’ll need to be an effective leader. Just like DeBlasio, she’s angling for a much bigger stage.

by Anonymousreply 128July 10, 2019 11:59 PM

[quote] You must agree the two-party system has been terrible for democracy, Shirley.

I'm not sure. And don't call me Shirley.

by Anonymousreply 129July 11, 2019 12:23 AM

[quote] She’s going to get bored of the actual work required of her.

The work required of her is part of a conspiracy.

Today in an interview with WNYC’s “New Yorker Hour,” AOC accused Pelosi of intentionally saddling her with work to keep her out of the spotlight.

“I was assigned to some of the busiest committees and four subcommittees,” AOC said. “So my hands are full. And sometimes I wonder if they’re trying to keep me busy.”

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by Anonymousreply 130July 11, 2019 12:27 AM

She seriously doesn't understand what her job entails. She still hasn't opened an office in the Bronx.

by Anonymousreply 131July 11, 2019 12:33 AM

[quote]She seriously doesn't understand what her job entails. She still hasn't opened an office in the Bronx.

Her NYC office is in Jackson Heights. Is that brown enough for you, pendejo?

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by Anonymousreply 132July 11, 2019 1:01 AM

No, r132. She should have an office in every county she represents. Just like every other Congressperson and just like her predecessor. It's already been in the news that she hasn't opened her Bronx office yet.

by Anonymousreply 133July 11, 2019 1:04 AM

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by Anonymousreply 134July 11, 2019 1:04 AM

[quote]It's already been in the news that she hasn't opened her Bronx office yet.

Yes, I noticed. Newsmax has been on it like white on rice.

Nice to see the wingnut media so concerned about how many offices she's staffing.

*rolls eyes*

by Anonymousreply 135July 11, 2019 1:16 AM

And nice to see Newsmax get so fucking concerned over voters in the BX having proper office representation..

*eyes roll back into head*

by Anonymousreply 136July 11, 2019 1:34 AM

[quote]She seriously doesn't understand what her job entails.

She’s a typical Millennial.

by Anonymousreply 137July 11, 2019 1:59 AM

Busy day.

Now Pelosi is apparently racist.

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Ocasio-Cortez has clearly had enough.

“When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” AOC told the Post. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.”

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by Anonymousreply 138July 11, 2019 2:17 AM

So...Pelosi's desperate to keep the young progressive group in line for....what exactly? 900 more pointless messaging bills that will never ever reach the Senate?

House should be focused on one thing and one thing only: [bold]IMPEACHMENT[/bold].

by Anonymousreply 139July 11, 2019 2:23 AM

I guess that I "get" the need for the young turks to express themselves and to not understand and/or respect what must be the "old turks" . But I remain doubtful that not having a cohesive Democratic opposition to the evil of trump will lead toward a successful triumph over trump. Damn, I would love to be wrong about that. But if it comes down to people continuing to butt up against the Demos who might successfully take trump on, then it will be a sad outcome for those of us, who like me , have learned to experience the emotion of "hatred" thanks to that orange piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 140July 11, 2019 2:29 AM

Democrats had huge wins in 2018, partly because of Pelosi's strong messaging. She kept Democrats focused on bread and butter issues that the average voter cares about, like healthcare.

The Young Turks just want to get likes on Twitter and be media stars.

by Anonymousreply 141July 11, 2019 2:55 AM

Nancy Pelosi been giving Code Red orders long before Bernie and Jill Stein birthed AOC. Maxine Waters would be interested to hear that Nancy bashes women of color. FUCK AOC.

by Anonymousreply 142July 11, 2019 3:03 AM

R136 if by newsmax you must mean the New York Times, Daily News or NY Post because those are the local papers reporting on the lack of a Bronx office. And it is a big deal. Travel from Flushing to the Bronx can be about two hours via public transportation depending on if you need to take a train and a bus. But, hey, I sure hope your eyes roll back into place. It must be awful to have your eyes roll to the back of your head every time you're faced with inconvenient facts.

by Anonymousreply 143July 11, 2019 5:16 AM

The Four House Women of the Apocalypse

by Anonymousreply 144July 11, 2019 5:55 AM

Sick of Omar.

by Anonymousreply 145July 11, 2019 6:22 AM

I can already see where this is headed. AOC and Omar are going to pull a "Susan Sarandon" and tell the Far Left to sit out the election because Pelosi and centrist Democrats won't do everything they want. Bernie Bros will be all too happy to go along now that their savior is sure to lose the primary once again.

Obama was right when he said the circling fire squad will be Democrats' biggest foe in 2020.

by Anonymousreply 146July 11, 2019 3:45 PM

[quote]Travel from Flushing to the Bronx can be about two hours via public transportation depending on if you need to take a train and a bus.

Her office is in Jackson Heights, which last time I checked was a primarily Latino neighborhood. (and not that far from BX)

Keep up the concern trolling, hon.

by Anonymousreply 147July 12, 2019 12:11 AM

Good. Someone needed to hit that Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 148July 12, 2019 1:02 AM

R147, clearly you're not from NYC. Jackson Heights is a big area and not easy to get to from the Bronx. But, please continue to defend the indefensible.

by Anonymousreply 149July 12, 2019 1:08 AM

R103, Sloganeering isn't evidence. It's been rehashed a million times. Lowering the top tax rates increases tax revenue. JFK did it first, Reagan was just a copycat.

If you want to increase taxes on the middle class, own it.

by Anonymousreply 150July 12, 2019 3:54 AM

[quote]And talk about “young people”... as soon as “young people” start drawing a paycheck and seeing the amount of tax withheld, the penny drops.

That's what happens with every generation.

by Anonymousreply 151July 12, 2019 4:14 AM

[quote]Prediction: AOC will wind up a highly-sought-after commentator on political discussion panels. She’ll be like the left’s Anne Coulter. She is pretty and brings the clicks/views and she LOVES the attention.

I've suspected this has been her ambition all along. She wants to be a pundit/commentator/author and get the big bucks and be a celebrity. Politics is just a stepping stone to the career and lifestyle she REALLY wants. Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's the endgame she has in mind, good for her.

by Anonymousreply 152July 12, 2019 4:21 AM

I'm confused. How did the Laffer curve become sentient and start trolling the internet?

[quote]If you want to increase taxes on the middle class, own it.

If you want a plutocracy, own it. Don't hid behind laughable supply-side horseshit.

by Anonymousreply 153July 12, 2019 4:27 AM

I wish Twitter would just fucking die in a grease fire. I'm so sick of it. I'm sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of every Twitter fart being treated like some kind of gospel. God, I fucking hate it.

by Anonymousreply 154July 12, 2019 4:40 AM

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by Anonymousreply 155July 12, 2019 5:09 AM

It's been reported multiple times R153, so it's hard to understand why you're playing dumb. Unless you aren't playing.

Own it. To pay for the expanded social services we all want, we have to increase taxes on the middle class. This isn't surprising or controversial.

by Anonymousreply 156July 12, 2019 5:11 AM

So in a game of Survivor: Democrats - who would you back? Between AOC's inexperience, love of talking and enormous capacity to annoy, my money's on Pelosi.

by Anonymousreply 157July 13, 2019 3:31 PM

Pelosi's a freaking zombie. I mean it respectfully. Like Barry Goldwater, she'll influence her caucus from the grave.

by Anonymousreply 158July 13, 2019 5:57 PM

Congresspeople receiving death threats? Has she notified the FBI?

Yeah, I didn’t think so.

by Anonymousreply 159July 13, 2019 7:41 PM

R146: No that won't happen. Your uppity smug ass WANTS it to happen to you can tilt at your windmills and scream the name SARANDON! and BERNIE BRO! at everyone who fails to live up to your political expectations, but no one will be sitting this election out in any appreciable numbers. So just cut the crap with your martyr complex, dear.

by Anonymousreply 160July 13, 2019 8:06 PM

Pelosi, Hillary, Obama & Biden epitomize stagnancy by boomers with a constipating death grip on what needs to pass.

by Anonymousreply 161July 13, 2019 8:33 PM

Hey Hey! Ho Ho! That old white infidel bitch has got to go!

- The Squad

by Anonymousreply 162July 13, 2019 9:44 PM

R161: It is curious how a party that the young increasingly identities with has such a geriatric leadership, a leadership that seems in no hurry to pass the reigns to anyone. Things like this were bound to start happening and they'll keep happening so long as younger people win seats and the elders cling to their positions of authority and tell the young that's the way it is and you can't do anything about it.

by Anonymousreply 163July 13, 2019 10:01 PM

R20 - I think what's so ironic about AOC's win - and for many of the "new" Democrats - is that she fights for working men and women of color, yet they its white gentrifiers that are voting for them.

by Anonymousreply 164July 13, 2019 10:26 PM

r163 that's Boomers for you. They refuse to go, and they're going to hold on until the last Boomer drops dead of old age.

by Anonymousreply 165July 13, 2019 10:39 PM

Pelosi and Biden are OLDER than the Boomer generation.

by Anonymousreply 166July 14, 2019 5:17 AM

AOC - All Out Crazy

by Anonymousreply 167July 17, 2019 11:59 PM

The Squad sets their terms for permitting Pelosi speak to them.

On Wednesday, Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn) and Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass) sat down with Gayle King on CBS’ “This Morning.” The president had kept up his Twitter attacks the day before, but the Democratic women couldn’t resist working their earlier gripe against a woman who outranks them in age and power.

King raised the issue by asking if they’d been in touch with Pelosi. AOC’s imperious reply: “Our teams are in communication.”

Tlaib then jumped in to imply that the top Democrat in Washington should be seeking an audience with them: “AOC is the new member . . . Pelosi is the speaker of the House. 𝑺𝒉𝒆 𝒄𝒂𝒏 𝒂𝒔𝒌 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒂 𝒎𝒆𝒆𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒕𝒐 𝒔𝒊𝒕 𝒅𝒐𝒘𝒏 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉 𝒖𝒔 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒄𝒍𝒂𝒓𝒊𝒇𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏.”

Then she addressed Pelosi directly: “𝑨𝒄𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘𝒍𝒆𝒅𝒈𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒂𝒄𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒘𝒆 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒘𝒐𝒎𝒆𝒏 𝒐𝒇 𝒄𝒐𝒍𝒐𝒓, 𝒔𝒐 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒏 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒅𝒐 𝒔𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒍𝒆 𝒖𝒔 𝒐𝒖𝒕, 𝒃𝒆 𝒂𝒘𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒘𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒚𝒐𝒖’𝒓𝒆 𝒅𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒈, especially because some of us are getting death threats, because some of us are being singled out because of our backgrounds, because of our experiences and so forth.”

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by Anonymousreply 168July 18, 2019 2:51 AM

Jake Tapper string of tweets about democratic frustration with the Squad.

"The president won this one," said House Dem 1 of the Trump v Squad (AOC, Tlaib, Omar & Pressley) showdown. "What the president has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks and the president has now identified the entire party with them."

Other House Democrats are conflicted about having to defend the Squad given things they've said and done. House Dems cited: talk of supporting challengers to incumbent Dems in primaries, AOC's use of the term "concentration camps," anti-Semitic comments by Tlaib & Omar.

This perceived selective outrage rankled some Dems.

"Everybody was completely outraged by what the president said," said House Dem 3, "and everybody thought it was appropriate to criticize him... ...but this was the *first* time the House has taken action to criticize him in any way, We couldn't even bring ourselves to have a resolution exclusively condemning anti-Semitism uttered by one of those members" -- Omar -- "but we leapt to their defense here."

"House Dem 4 recalls that "less than 2 weeks ago when members of our caucus were trying to support funds for children at the border," the Squad was arguing that "we're pro-putting kids in cages, we're against human rights. So there’s frustration."

AOC, in particular "gives her chief of staff license to get candidates to run against her colleagues and to go after them on social media. It makes people's skin crawl," said House Dem 3.

House Dem 4 summed it up: "We were there for them; they should stop attacking us."

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by Anonymousreply 169July 18, 2019 4:06 AM

I wonder how African-Americans really feel about Hispanics like AOC and Muslims like Tlaib adopting the “women of color” narrative?? It seems like they’re just patching on to another groups history of being oppressed.

I’ll give Omar a pass since she’s actually from Africa.

by Anonymousreply 170July 18, 2019 2:58 PM

If you want a plutocracy, own it.

MOOT. I'M AFRAID ITS PRETTY MUCH THE SYSTEM SINCE THE 80S.

by Anonymousreply 171July 18, 2019 3:17 PM

Gee, I wonder how that happened...

by Anonymousreply 172July 19, 2019 12:43 AM

People like AOC are ruining NYC just like Cuomo and DeBlasio. Period.

by Anonymousreply 173August 2, 2019 10:04 AM

This country needs a moderate in office. Both parties are bonkers! I wanted to do a swan dive out of my window watching the debates the other night. For fucks sakes.

by Anonymousreply 174August 2, 2019 10:08 AM

A moderate is the last thing the US needs.

by Anonymousreply 175August 2, 2019 11:13 AM

Chaperone: "Comrade, we are all working for KAOS."

Miss Formosa sneers: "That is true, but your brand of KAOS is weak and confused. Only in my country is there true KAOS!"

by Anonymousreply 176August 2, 2019 12:54 PM

The problem with AOC is that if you're childish and petulant enough to call Nancy Pelosi a "racist against women of color," then NO ONE will take you seriously when you level the same charge against trump. From your lips it's totally meaningless since you "cried wolf" about it.

by Anonymousreply 177August 2, 2019 1:24 PM
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