'Big Little Lies' S02E04 Discussion Thread

Episode three thread.

Anyone else disappointed with the last episode to the point that they're not looking forward to this one as much? Or maybe the debates this week took all the excitement out of me, I don't know.

Here's a gif of Laura Dern's glorious hair extensions in slo-mo that I created, to get us back in the mood.

People were disappointed with the first episode and the second ended up being really good. So there's hope.

I hope we see surfer boy’s naked ass.

The surfer guy is an annoying Aspie and I bet he'll cause trouble for Jane because of his big mouth.

The second episode was the best so far. I enjoyed aspects of the third, and wasn't too hot on the first. The surfer dude was okay in the last episode... he pretty much filled the only role I wanted him to, which was to act as a support for Jane.

last week's episode was dud and quite short

I came around on the surfer guy towards the end of their date. Though I'm sure he'll say some stupid shit that'll make me hate him all over again.

Kathryn Hahn has a new show coming this fall? Sign me up!

Amabella is so annoying with her Debbie Downer face.

lol at Reese's Halloween frau apron

that slap was weak

Weak?! Those glasses flew to space! And that zinger at the end!

I guess ML's husband will turn up this season.

The way Meryl scratched her head while looking at Bonnie... She Knows!

Yay Renata in court.

geez 33 mil

Adam Scott showing his taint... nice!

Bonnie's costume and wig are hideous.

At least Celeste sort of calls out Madeline for fucking things up with the cops.

Denis O'Hare, holy shit!

I need a photo of Adam Scott's taint!

Bonnie's mom is a nut.

Ed's afro wig should be murdered.

The singers are awful.

[quote]Anyone else disappointed with the last episode to the point that they're not looking forward to this one as much?

Likewise. I'm not enjoying Meryl, nor the Aspie surfer.

The aspie guy has nice veiny arms.

Bonnie just fucked up by bitching at the detective.

Madeline wants some of that taint only now that she's seen Adam Scott having fun with Bonnie. She's such a bitch.

Sunken chest representation, hell yeah!

Does anyone else think Adam Scott has better chemistry with Zoe?

A lawyer can't represent more than one client at once? What was that bullshit by Renata?

r31 Yes, definitely!

I find it odd that Celeste previously worked as a lawyer, yet it seems she doesn't have contacts/friends in the legal community and Renata tries to help her find a lawyer.

Celeste is using Tramadol? Is Robin Weigert giving her that shit? Could she be the actual villain of this show?

Why are the episodes shorter? Aren't HBO drams like 50-55 minutes long for episodes?

Oh, I just got that. Renata wanted that lawyer for Celeste, not for her bankruptcy...

I think there will be some twist revealed that Mary Louise hired that guy and he drugged Celeste and maybe there is some video of Celeste doing something bad.

This episode again felt... sparse somehow.

Sparse is an excellent word to describe it R39.

Meryl is doing a great job as the mother-in-law from hell.

Who was in the car with Ed in the previews?

Laura Dern is fucking killing it this season. Suck it Meryl.

Nice Renata gif, OP. Thanks!

The Nicole slap was lol epic. Mary Louise had it coming. How she thinks taking the kids away from her is going to help Celeste?! Laura continues to kill it with her hilarious lines.

Mary Louise is not believable as a beloved grandmother. She acts like a freak and the pizza scene was so cringeworthy.

There's supposed to be flashback scenes in upcoming episodes of Mary Louise and her sons. The flashbacks will probably show that she's always been a nut case and Perry was fucked up as a result.

Really is amazing, this cast. Streep, Kidman, Witherspoon, Dern. Oscars all over the place! I wonder who’s the biggest diva.

I think Witherspoon will be snubbed when it comes to Emmy nominations next year.

Adam Scott might be able to get a supporting actor nomination. Although the taint shot was a very weird angle from which to shoot an actor. It wasn't flattering or evocative.

F that r50, I wanted to nuzzle and nap with my head there. His thighs are scrumptious and the shot was succulent.

You gotta see that NYT article about the sperm donor with 32 kids. A lot of the shots are thigh shots. It’s a new angle.

Surfer guy was on Big Love

Meryl is playing Mary Louise like the nun in Doubt BEFORE she became a nun. I get why everyone thinks she’s the greatest actress of all time. She peels off layers to reveal the pathology behind the facade of the sweet, grieving mother trying to come to terms with her son’s death. She knows Perry was a monster because she created him. She has plans to take all of her grandsons away from their mothers and turn them into monsters too. The season started off mopey but this episode had the beef. Liking Ed a lot better since he stopped being a doormat.

So over Ed being baited by the moron. We get it. Men are toxic. We don't need to be reminded every other week with the same scene in different locations. Either have them fuck or have one kill the other but it's been 14 episodes and their interactions haven't changed at all.

This one was great. Love Mary Louise.

The Mary Louise backstory is what I'm awaiting and her ex husband/

I thought this was a strong episode altogether. Tonally the noose is tightening.

Can someone help me out with Renata's medical expense? What'd she mean when she pointed at her head and talked about having to deal with men all her life? I assumed that some sort of abortion moment would have been unveiled at that point, but it didn't go that direction. Perhaps I'm dense. Anyway, Laura did a great job this episode as well. She could easily submit either this or the second episode for her Emmy submission... though she may have better moments coming up.

Hahah, is this the taint shot everyone's going on about? Geez... I love Adam Scott, but I didn't even notice.

Renata had an abortion through her forehead to remove the goddess Athena, Rose.

She was referring to plastic surgery?

I did think of rimming Adam Scott at that moment.

Yes - we know Mary Louise has some secrets, like how Perry’s brother died. Not sure but show is good.

[R58] Renata had Botox. Very expensive Botox.

Thanks!!! They were treating the moment as if it were a dramatic medical expense that botox was the last thing on my mind... would have assumed most monied Monterey moms would have had work done.

I'm thinking Renata had psychiatric health expenses.

I'm sure she was intimating that she had had a lobotomy.

Is Adam purposely trolling the gays for attention? I MEAN COME ON. Who poses like that?

Oddly, that is much hotter than all the dicks on trash-fest Euphoria. He looks so cuddly. It’s not fair Reese got to sleep act with him.

Adam Scott sucks in drama shows.

The black woman playing the detective is terrible. Like a bad soap opera actress. Zoe Kravitz isn't much better

Loved the mother daughter matching disco dresses, poor Amabelle is going to need so much therapy! And they have no money for it now. What do you think were in the gift bags? I’m think old presents regifted and small home appliances they don’t need anymore.

Something will happen ( not Celeste ) when someone is under the influence of ambien.

Cast photo from the disco party!

[quote]Amabella is so annoying with her Debbie Downer face.

Not as bad as me with my continual half asleep, hang dog mope face.

[quote]Mary Louise is not believable as a beloved grandmother. She acts like a freak and the pizza scene was so cringeworthy.

Agree. Those boys in RL would be giving granny the side eye and asking when they could go home. And they are fucking RICH. Why are they acting so ecstatic over pizza.....like Darfur orphans?

The writers of this show can't possibly have any kids themselves. They continually get them wrong. No eight year old even knows what disco is let alone wants a "disco party" featuring a group of has-beens from the 70's FFS. More wish fulfillment of the 50+ year old writers of this show.

Yes, Celeste being so helpless re. child custody is absurd. She's an attorney herself FFS. And Mary Louise can't get a lock on every attorney in the state simply by going down a list and making a phone call to all of them. You have to retain their services. Umm, that would be outrageously expensive.

Don't think kids that age are going to get that excited about disco and The Trammps.

I gasped (MARY!) when Celeste slapped Mary Louise and then her one night stand walked in the room in front of ML

Guessing that Jane's new boyfriend is Perry's half brother.

[quote]The black woman playing the detective is terrible

Her wig is worse.

Yeah, that wig is pretty outrageous. It's basically all I can see when I'm watching a scene with her.

What was the stupidity with Madaline's daughter's hinged/unhinged project.? That bit was just stupid . Children don't conceive of their parents in those terms, Dumb writing.

Yeah, they just let it hang in the air when Mary Louise told Celeste her ex husband had a new family. That means the twins have even more half siblings Celeste didn't know about.

The whole show is not about reality, R77. It's about pandering to the middle aged Frau audience.

Did Celeste forget she’s a lawyer?

r77 It's the same problem r74 and others pointed out - wish fulfillment by adult writers. Precocious kids have always struck me as a writer's way to try and retroactively make their own bland childhood more exciting than it was. Or maybe it's an infantile desire to return to that time. In any case, I've always hated that.

And yes, I cringed at that unhinged gag. Kids giving psychiatric assessments for fun!

I'm on the fence so far this season but Meryl and Dern are bringing it. Even Reese is fun to watch. I can't stand Adam Scott/Ed and really don't get what Reese/Madeline sees in him. He is a whiny dork. Zoe Kravitz kills every scene she is in. They need to drop her ass.

Anyone else found it weird how Bonnie walked up to Madeline and Celeste at the party with a great sense of urgency and told them Mary Louise might be onto something, as if she just gave her that look seconds ago, rather than hours earlier? I thought that was some really bad direction.

[bold]Big Little Lies’ Renata Klein is much more than a meme[/bold]

[quote]The second season of Big Little Lies is even more of an embarrassment of acting riches than the first, with heavyweights like Meryl Streep and Crystal Fox joining the already strong, predominantly female cast of Reese Witherspoon, Nicole Kidman, Zoë Kravitz, and Shailene Woodley. But now that we’ve reached the halfway point in season two, Laura Dern’s unbridled Renata Klein is the clear standout, surpassing even Streep’s masterpiece of passive-aggression, Mary Louise.

Much as I love Renata's diva meltdowns, she is a cartoon at this point. No way would that doc or the principle put up with her aggressive insults.

Why is Armabelle named that and not Annabelle? I’m guessing it’s to poke fun at nouveau riche pretensions. Also Madeline has “Beach” with an arrow on her kitchen wall—frau crossing!

Z.K. Character is a drip. She’s the got the lumpy eeyore personality. She’s brings the energy of the show to a halt. Get rid of her.

[quote]Did Celeste forget she’s a lawyer?

In season 1, Madeline conveniently used Celeste and her legal skills to help with the Avenue Q controversy. But, after that Celeste and her bestie forget that she's a lawyer. It's hilarious how Celeste doesn't seem to have contact with former colleagues or others in the legal community.

This article sums up some of writing issues with the legal issues and points out how in season 1 Celeste didn't even bother to contact legal counsel after Perry's death. . But, then again it was Madeline who fucked things up telling the cops that Perry fell.

[quote]Much as I love Renata's diva meltdowns, she is a cartoon at this point. No way would that doc or the principle put up with her aggressive insults.

At some point, there will be one person who won't put up with the insults. I'm guessing the bankruptcy lawyer will snap at Renata later on. I'm thinking there will be a showdown between Renata and the detective. The detective won't take her shit.

This show is now using a somewhat strong cast to deliver soap opera lines. The child coming up with unhinged to show the mother? Good lord. Do actresses of this caliber not get to call bullshit when it's written?

Renata's monologue about her plans for her child and being a bad picker was silly.

r89 Reese is an exec producer on this so I don't know why she didn't bring it up. On the other hand, let's not forget that actors aren't screenwriters (for the most part). They don't all have a sense for what's good dialogue and what isn't.

Please don't shoot my taint instead of my face should be something an actor should be able to say.

R91 Agreed that they may not know what good dialogue is, but these are just common sense observations. I think they don't care about what may be realistic and prefer to go for the dramatic. That's when you get in trouble, unless that is what you came out of the gate with.

So Bonnie’s mother has the sight? Guess there won’t be a season three for Debbie Downer. The one night stand was a set-up. Roofied by the bartender. But perhaps not at the behest of Mary Louise. The surfer dude is not what he seems. I agree with the poster who wrote that he’s a relative of Perry’s and is digging around on his own to get to the truth but he’s actually falling for Jane. Well, the writing is cliched shit:)

These precocious kids are so annoying. The only reality is when the twins fight in the car. I’m sure all of us with siblings remember backseat car battles. My mother got so mad, she made us get out and walk home.

Renata’s husband is very unattractive. He has that boozy bloated bad skin.

Renata was hospitalized for a nervous breakdown. Look how high strung she is. Bi-polar or Borderline Personality Disorder.

I can't stand Ed! Just the way he as sitting out on the patio with his legs up and his ass in our face. He is an ass. And he is enjoying being an ass. He thinks he is entitled because Madeline cheated on him. I don't blame her. He hasn't got a bit of joy in his whole body. Show him the door Madeline.

Why is Ed still with Madeline when she FUCKED ANOTHER GUY? A guy who is a 10, by the way.

It's like he has no life of his own.

I just had a really evil thought. What if Mary Louise stole some of those Ambien and pain killers and plans to use them to stage an accidental overdose or unfortunate car accident for poor Celeste. It would be difficult to prove that she’s an unfit mother otherwise.

[quote]Renata’s husband is very unattractive. He has that boozy bloated bad skin.

Jeffrey Nordling has aged badly. He was quite handsome years ago.

[quote]I can't stand Ed! Just the way he as sitting out on the patio with his legs up and his ass in our face. He is an ass. And he is enjoying being an ass. He thinks he is entitled because Madeline cheated on him. I don't blame her. He hasn't got a bit of joy in his whole body. Show him the door Madeline.

I can't stand him either. He's too whiny.

[quote]I just had a really evil thought. What if Mary Louise stole some of those Ambien and pain killers and plans to use them to stage an accidental overdose or unfortunate car accident for poor Celeste. It would be difficult to prove that she’s an unfit mother otherwise.

I wouldn't put past the show to do this. I also think it will be revealed that Mary Louise killed her son, but made it look like an accident and Perry knew.

r100 He used to be handsome for a hot minute. But then the hair went quite quickly and now he's a mess.

As usual, modern complainers ruin everything.

r104 What's that's supposed to mean?

All of the wives are hot and the husbands, with the exception of the departed Perry, are not. Jane is plain but she’s not married. No wonder Celeste still fantasizes about that Big Dick Energy.

It means people now complain so much that they can’t even enjoy anything anymore. I see it everywhere.

I’m not complaining. I like speculating about plot and motive. The show is better with a second or third viewing of each episode to appreciate how the acting triumps over the writing. Not a complaint. It’s an observation. Dickhead.

I screamed like a girl when I saw Iain all dressed up as Ziggy Stardust and Bonnie and her mother looked just divine at the divine at the Disco themed birthday party.

These ladies really make these entitled, for the most part priviledged soccer moms so fun, watching their lives unravel.

And yeah, Marie Louise is so going to try to get her hands on Ziggy as well finding some reason why Jane's not a fit mother who claims her son is a product of rape.

Renata is such a wonderful passive agressive bitch in that monologue where she blames herself for having such a lousy taste in men in her life. Gordon should cut his losses, because Renata will never forgive and forget.

r107 I adore this show but I also love critiquing certain aspects of it that aren't working. Along with speculation, that usually generates most of the conversation. Adoration is nice but I can only praise their acting so many times before it gets stale.

I am surprised Renata didn't murder every single guy at the bankruptcy hearing. Renata we know and love by now doesn't take humiliation very well. And even if she doesn't give a fuck about her marriage with that loser Gordon you don't ask someone like Renata, who feels like she's cornered, to take off her wedding ring.

Loved the entitlement of the couple (one of them being a lawyer apparently) going into this hearing and being totally shocked that they had to let go of personal stuff they didn't list.

They all looked great at that party. I wanted to be there so bad!

r112, me too.

[quote]Loved the entitlement of the couple (one of them being a lawyer apparently) going into this hearing and being totally shocked that they had to let go of personal stuff they didn't list.

Why didn't their lawyer warn them about this beforehand? Just hide the wristwatch and the wedding ring from plain sight.

[quote]So Bonnie’s mother has the sight? Guess there won’t be a season three for Debbie Downer.

I don't get Bonnie's drunk bitch of a mother acting with OTT motherly concern for her adult daughter when the flashbacks of them together show her trying to drown her when she was a child.

Ed looked like total shit at the disco party.

Can you refuse to hand over the jewelry? Even if they see it?

Bonnie is a chill Cali bohemian black woman(yin to yang of the CA society) who helps out with the artistic/symbolic/metaphoric side of the show(which they copied from The Affair, and have since abandoned in favor of The Real Housewives of Monterey meme/gif inspiring schtick that the gays go crazy for and drives up numbers). She’s needed as a foil. One more shrill rich woman and it’s Sex In The City by way of Jessica Fletcher. Or the remake of The Women.

Has anyone ever slapped Meryl Streep before? I mean on-screen?

I don't even think the Nazis slapped her in "Sophie's Choice".

That was shockingly glorious.

Glenn now has that gif as her screensaver.

It feels like the Mary Louise plotline and M’s over-the-top performance are in a completely different show about a psycho grandma bent on revenge.

I don’t think Meryl’s acting is over the top. She’s slyly subversive. And batshit. But they are revealing that in a slow burn. The flashbacks are going to be OTT when we see just how Perry and his brother was raised and how her other son died. The husband was an abusive monster and she attempted to put an end to him and accidentally killed her son? Wanna bet he died of an overdose of prescription meds?

Î wonder if Marie poisoned either her husband's or her other son's pizza and that's why Perry liked Pizza so much (because Marie protected Perry from, what she perceived to be, his biggest bully at home)? I think Marie Louise will turn out to be a very creepy helicopter mom / grandma. A creepy version of Maggie Smith's character in Keeping Mum.

Changed my mind. I think Mary Louise is slowly poisoning Celeste with microdoses of the Ambien and pain killers and when she drinks it has the effect of being roofied. The bartender’s job was to keep the drinks coming and then making it look like he was just helping an incapacitated customer home. Mary Louise coming home early with the boys and finding the guy in the house was carefully planned. He will be a witness against Celeste in a custody hearing, as will the boys, and of course the BEST grandma in the world.

Bonnie is so chill she’s practically a cadaver. Zoe Kravitz is a very bad actor.

r124, what bothers me a bit about this premise is that it kind of lets Celeste off the hook for being such a hot mess herself (even without Marie Louise's help).

To me the show isn't about these (strong) women being pushed by others to be anything but strong women, but they self destructing / sabotaging themselves without any help from outsiders.

Renata’s husband is responsible for their financial woes. If Celeste is taking Ambien does it make her a bad mother? Taking Ambien when you don’t know someone else is slipping it into your food or drink or some other medication doesn’t let you off the hook for being a bad parent. It makes you look like a bad parent because someone wants to take your kids away. Is that self-destructive? Zoe is guilt ridden. So is Madeline. Strong women who made choices that have consequences but were they self sabotaging? Madeline is bored with her husband but doesn’t want to be alone. Her affair was a totally selfish act. She didn’t confess. She never expected to be found out.

R118 Meryl got slapped in that horrid movie she did with Glenn "The House of the Spirits". She got a bloody nose.

I can remember if Kevin Kline slapped her but he definitely knocked her about in Sophie's Choice.

She also got slapped in "Postcards from the Edge".

Didn't Hoffman slap her in Kramer vs. Kramer?

[quote]Why didn't their lawyer warn them about this beforehand? Just hide the wristwatch and the wedding ring from plain sight.

I thought that was stupid because he told them not mention the little girl's birthday party, but didn't tell them to hide the expensive jewelry.

Why o why o why do all threads have to be ruined by obsessive Frauen?

r131 Example?

I put all the trolls, who try to push my buttons so I reply to them, on ignore.

Joe, the hot bartender, is Mr. Mira Sorvino.

Slap heard round the world.

I think Meryl got slapped by Renee Zellweger in that cancer movie too.

Ok, lots of M slaps, but how many were Oscar winners?

Okay, guys I've got it. Mary Louise actually bought the town of Monterey years ago. Everyone is in her pocket: the detective, the bartender, the psychiatrist, even the school principal, and yes, of course Jane's new surfer boyfriend. She knew that at some point her son would abuse Celeste and things would get out of hand, so she bought the city knowing that, at some point, things would go south, but she knew that she'd want to keep her grandchildren above all, so that's why she's infiltrated the town as if she's just some grieving mother.

Also, the Mary Louise we're seeing isn't Mary Louise, but her twin sister Sara Bernice, who's actually under a mystic spell, unknowingly doing her bidding on the ground. How'd she learn these supernatural arts? From Bonnie's mother of course. The two of them are obviously working together. Everyone assumes that she looked at Bonnie for suspicious reasons, but it was because she's the daughter of her new age teacher. The thing is, they had a falling out years ago, so things have been tense. That's why she had a stroke... that's Mary Louise's doing.

The season will end with all the women dead except for Mary Louise (the real Mary Louise, not Sara Bernice) and Bonnie's mother. They'll have a mystical duel on the beach using nothing but furtive glances and "the sight". Tom, the hipster coffee shop worker from last season who's been SUSPICIOUSLY MISSING from this season, will reveal himself to be Perry's actually not dead brother, which will catch Mary Louise by surprise, allowing Bonnie's mother to move in for the kill. Tom will then kill Bonnie's mom for killing Mary Louise, and then Sara Bernice will show up on the beach, as she had been watching the events unfold the entire time, and will confess to Tom that's she's actually his mother. Not Mary Louise. The two will walk into the ocean together as Sufjan Stevens plays over the credits.

R138 lol

[R138] You should be writing screenplays!

For David Lynch !

R129 Dustie slapped before the first scenes where she leaves him. It wasn't on camera.

Oh, she also got whacked by her dad in The Deer Hunter

tl;dr @ R138

Is Meryl wearing fake teeth?

r144 She is! She wanted similar teeth to Askars so she'd feel more connected to him, dentally.

Did anybody else want Meryl to crash the disco party and start belting ABBA songs?

r146, I am still shocked she did not. Way to drop the ball, David E. Kelley.

The bartender is not so hot in the cold light of day.

Meryl is amazing. She took this show and kicked ass. Everyone has elevated their game especially Shailene. I am thrilled people don’t know where it’s going.

Maybe they can have the girls consciously decide to come together and murder Mary Louise in the final ep?

Season 3 can then kick off with the arrival of Mary Lou's younger, more glamorous sister, intent on finding out what happened to her big sis. The actress playing her? Glenn, of course!

Before the season started a few of the actresses said there wouldn’t be a season 3. They probably knew season 2 wasn’t very good.

r151 Doubt it. They only did this season because they got Meryl.

In costume parties on certain types of shows, every single guest looks like they were styled by professional costume designers, hairstylists, and makeup artists. In real life some people look homemade and raggedy.

Really fucking bored by this show. Season 1 was so tight. I can’t imagine wanting to watch this again.

You lost me at young and glamorous for Glenn.

The ratings for this are higher than first season. Even Nicole said she would do another season.

[quote]In costume parties on certain types of shows, every single guest looks like they were styled by professional costume designers, hairstylists, and makeup artists. In real life some people look homemade and raggedy.

I have noticed this too. In season 1, I thought a single mom like Jane would have a cheap looking Audrey Hepburn costume. With the disco party all of their costumes looked great minus Ed's costume and wig.

Also, Celeste — the great legal mind of Monterey — was clueless about physician-patient privilege???

I agree the writing this season sucks. Someone in an earlier thread nailed it: Season one felt like a novel; this is now a soap opera.

r158

the therapist brought this up that Celeste knows this but she is so upset about everything that she is not thinking

Has the therapist not clocked yet that Celeste is overmedicating? I doubt Robin Weigert is prescribing her all of those pills.

I don’t think the shrink knows about the drugs or hooking up with random men. Those children need to be taken away from her!

James Tupper is no Olivier but he's hotter than fire. 161 posts and I don't think anybody's even mentioned him. So I must.

[quote]James Tupper is no Olivier

You can say that again; I bitched about his acting a couple of episodes ago. I think he used to be hotter.

He’s okay.

I think Psycho Ed will snap, kill or be killed, and at some point Madeline with fuck Nathan again. I love James Tupper, he's so funny.

Anne Heche got Tupper at his hottest

What was Tupper known for before BLL? I don't think I've ever seen his work aside from this.

Right before BLL he was in that show American Housewife with Alicia Silverstone. I remember him from Men In Trees a tv show where he hooked up with Heche.

oops it was American Woman not American Housewife

James Tupper was on Revenge, another Kelley show (though Revenge was from Mike Kelley and BLL is by David E. Kelley)

I think Tupper is very hot. Definitely the hottest man on this show.

Never heard of him before.

Any on-set rumors? Who loathes whom?

r172 This. We had someone who worked on the Sharp Objects set last year, though they only commented on technical stuff in that thread. We need some good old gossip.

R138 that would the screenplay if it was a Ryan Murphy mess

R85, it's 'pal' -- principal.

Just remember, the principal is the 'pal' of your school!

I think the disco party is the wish fulfillment of the parents. They don't give a crap about what their kids REALLY want. They give them what they think they want.

R134, and hot he is!

He's back next week, I think.

The whole damn show is wish fulfillment of the writers. They make eight year old kids like music from the 70's. Yeah, okay.

where did the coffee cafe owner go?

Wtf do you queens think you are watching? This is a high camp trashy nighttime soap with A list Oscar winners just like last season. You old biddies are complaining about reality?

Fuck right off, seriously.

[quote]The whole damn show is wish fulfillment of the writers. They make eight year old kids like music from the 70's. Yeah, okay.

Reese’s obnoxious daughter’s playlists in Season 1 was bad enough.

It would be more realistic if Renata hosted a country themed birthday party and hired Lil Nas X to perform. The kids would be exited about that.

[quote]where did the coffee cafe owner go?

I’m assuming after the clusterfuck of Perry dying on his first date he stopped returning Jane’s calls. A pity. I loathe the 19-year-old looking Aspie.

Agree. First guy was 1000x better for Jane.

Props to the music supervisor for using two of Donna Summer's best songs - Try Me, I Know We Can Make It and Lucky.

A few plot devices this season are from the scratched and dented section of screenwriting 101, and the kids can behave implausibly. But the show overall is engaging and worth a look.

Meryl Streep’s passive menacing is pretty delicious. I agree the teeth are fake, but the slap looked real.

It’s like Melrose Place but with progeria.

Do you think Zoe and Nicole ever talk about that time Nicole fucked her father?

Jane's boyfriend looked better at the party, tho. Still not my type.

It would’ve been funny if Jane started dating a guy who looked like Perry!

I don't Reese looked very 70s at the party. She liked Barbie's Jem doll rip-off from 1985.

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