New 90210 series
On Tuesday, I participated in a test marketing group for the new 90210 series. We didn't see an episode, just promos.
The new series seems to a fictionalized version of the actors getting together. First for a reunion on stage, then for a reboot of the show. It seems to be a comedy, a la Episodes with Matt LeBlanc.
Everyone is in it. We watched five promos, and one seemed to reference Luke Perry. It had Jeannie Garth looking sad and saying to Tori Spelling "maybe to move forward, first we have to look back."
Shannen Doherty is in the promos, but was not in any of the group shots. Tori says to Jeannie "the good news is, Shannen won't be there." Cut to Shannen packing a bag, with her passport, putting on her sun glasses.
It looks interesting. Starts in August.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | September 17, 2019 12:58 AM
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Any gay stuff in those promos?
by Anonymous | reply 1 | June 26, 2019 3:34 PM
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No gay stuff at all. A young, hot guy says to Jason "you'll never be anything but Brandon Walsh" and Jason punches him out.
Brian Austin Green is wearing a towel, about to kiss his wife I guess, and he drops it. Jason is shown in bed with Jeannie, both seemingly with post-cloital "what did we just do" looks on their face.
But no gay stuff at all.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | June 26, 2019 3:41 PM
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the premise of the show doesn't sound very good, should've made an actual continuation of 90210
by Anonymous | reply 5 | June 26, 2019 4:47 PM
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This sounds like a total disaster
by Anonymous | reply 6 | June 26, 2019 4:53 PM
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I still can't wrap my head around this concept.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | June 26, 2019 4:56 PM
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This must be what caused the stroke that killed Luke Perry.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | June 26, 2019 4:58 PM
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The way the promos were done, it seemed kinda fun. I'm guessing it will do well. Then they'll get greedy and do a season 2 that will suck.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | June 26, 2019 4:59 PM
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The way they framed it, it was Tori trying to get the reboot off the ground. In the stead of her father.
It seems like maybe Shannen was a late addition. I have to say, for being fifty plus, they all look pretty great.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 26, 2019 5:02 PM
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I never watched the original 90210, and I have no plans to watch this iteration.
For whatever reason, Beverly Hills 90210 never interested me in the least bit.
It seemed vapid when it first aired, but to try and revive it, just seems.... sad.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 6, 2019 4:43 AM
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Tori Spelling and Jenny Garth on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen. (Monday 8/5)
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 6, 2019 4:44 AM
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R11 Shannen was a late addition because they initially didn't want her in it. Everyone else got together to pitch the show and no one was buying it WITHOUT Shannen.
They had to go crawl to Shannen and ask her to be a part of it and she of course got herself an Exec Producer title and didn't have to do any of the work.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | August 6, 2019 4:47 AM
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[Quote] Tori Spelling and Jenny Garth on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen. (Monday 8/5)
I wonder if they'll talk shit about Tiffani again??
[Quote] and she of course got herself an Exec Producer title and didn't have to do any of the work.
Charmed taught her well.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | August 6, 2019 2:06 PM
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Andy asked about Tiffani's participation in the show. Jenny and Tori said that they wanted her but that she has her own Netflix show so she is too busy to commit to the 90210 show full-time. They didn't say anything nasty about her.
Tori looks awful. She used to look like a bug now she looks like a puffy bug. She might be a nice, wonderful person but she really shouldn't be photographed next to Jenny Garth because the comparisons are not kind to Tori.
This show is being buried by Fox which is why it is airing with minimal promotion in the Dog Days of August.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | August 6, 2019 2:13 PM
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if they were going to go ahead with this show, they should've done an actual reboot/continuation
by Anonymous | reply 18 | August 6, 2019 2:35 PM
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[Quote] Andy asked about Tiffani's participation in the show. Jenny and Tori said that they wanted her but that she has her own Netflix show so she is too busy to commit to the 90210 show full-time. They didn't say anything nasty about her.
Hmm either they didn't ask her or she would've used the Netflix show as an excuse.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | August 6, 2019 2:39 PM
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[quote]Charmed taught her well.
Actually, 90210 taught her well. She saw how much money she was screwed out of on that show and used that knowledge to negotiate her Charmed money.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | August 6, 2019 4:34 PM
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It was obvious that Jennie and Tori were lying about the status of their relationship with Tiffani. Tiffani may be busy, but there's no love between any of them.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | August 6, 2019 4:34 PM
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Thanks for sharing some scoop!
by Anonymous | reply 22 | August 6, 2019 4:36 PM
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I love how Tori and Jennie, but especially Tori, have to smile and pretend they like Shannen now.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | August 6, 2019 4:41 PM
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Also the segment on WWHL with Jennie and Tori was strange for two specific reasons.
1) A caller asked if either of them considered being on the CWs previous reboot of the show.
--- They were both obviously on it.
2) Jennie went on to say that she did 2-3 episodes. Tori corrected her and said you were on much more than that. And Jennie got angry and insisted she was only 2-3. Jennie was on several seasons and did about 20 episodes. Is she high?
Oh, and Jennie pretending she doesn't hate Amanda Bynes was hysterical.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | August 6, 2019 4:43 PM
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why would Jeannie hate Amanda Byes? I loved them in What I Like About You
by Anonymous | reply 25 | August 6, 2019 5:19 PM
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R25 they hated each other on that show. Jennie always has issues with other women. Oh, and Amanda went and fucked Jennie's husband to get back at her for being such a cunt... allegedly.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | August 6, 2019 5:27 PM
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this is gonna flop so bad
by Anonymous | reply 27 | August 6, 2019 5:36 PM
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This seems familiar.......
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 28 | August 6, 2019 5:41 PM
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On Andy’s show, nobody seemed interested in the show at all. Andy, Jenny, and Tori behaved as if they wanted to be somewhere else talking to other people about something else. So weird.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | August 6, 2019 6:19 PM
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They released in the intro credits.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 30 | August 6, 2019 7:00 PM
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Ian is one of the oldest and looks the youngest among all of them.
Shannen had cancer, wears a wig, and looks better than the other women.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | August 6, 2019 7:15 PM
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Jennie also seems to be lying about an offer to be on the Real Housewives. When Tori brought it up, Andy seemed surprised and asked when she was offered. Jennie tried to give a toss away answer.
Andy handpicks those casts so he would know if she was ever offered a spot.
She probably made it up just to piss Tori off.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | August 6, 2019 7:50 PM
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Shannen looks good. I'm glad, that she is well.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | August 6, 2019 9:05 PM
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Um...it's because you're broke and tacky. Tacky they can do, but broke? No girl.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 34 | August 6, 2019 10:14 PM
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why does it always seem like Tori's mom hated her?
by Anonymous | reply 35 | August 6, 2019 10:16 PM
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R35?
Have you ever gotten a good look at her face????
by Anonymous | reply 36 | August 6, 2019 10:21 PM
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Wow, their bluff about Tiffani is LAUGHABLY bad
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 37 | August 6, 2019 10:21 PM
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interesting fact that Tiffani beat out Jennie for the role of Kelly on Saved By The Bell
by Anonymous | reply 38 | August 6, 2019 10:37 PM
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Gabrielle Carteris is starting to resemble Allison Arngrim.
Did Brian have his nose done?
Where's Carol Potter and James Eckhouse?
by Anonymous | reply 39 | August 6, 2019 10:45 PM
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R39 that's insulting to Allison.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | August 6, 2019 10:48 PM
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Sounds like this is a ripoff of The Comeback, which was hysterically funny and ahead of its time. Lisa Kudrow needs to do another season, stat!
by Anonymous | reply 41 | August 6, 2019 10:48 PM
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Is Tori still pushing the story that she auditioned and got the job under an assumed name?
by Anonymous | reply 42 | August 6, 2019 10:53 PM
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Hi, I'm Tiffani Thiessen. I'm married to my first husband/the father of my children, I have a career, I'm not constantly in the tabloids for being broke, and I look like this at 45.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 43 | August 6, 2019 10:53 PM
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R42... yes, they totally had no idea who she was!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 6, 2019 10:54 PM
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Yeah, Tiffani, but you had, have, and always will have, a fat face.
I guess it's slightly better than having Jabba the Hut's face like some people we're stick with for life, but still.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 6, 2019 10:55 PM
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Hey Jennie, I've got 5 words for you: Suck on my beef fajitas.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 46 | August 6, 2019 11:05 PM
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^Certainly does look like your beef flaps, Tif!
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 6, 2019 11:07 PM
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Is that Dana Carvey on the left??
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 6, 2019 11:10 PM
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I love how they thought they could do this without Shannen. It would not be as good without Shannen.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 7, 2019 3:13 AM
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Yup, R50. It's fucking sweet that everyone tried to distance themselves from her and then get this shit going and not include her... and ultimately, be faced with the fact that no one was interested in them without her. Minus Carteris, the rest of them did that fucking show for 10 years vs Shannen's 3, and she's the only person anyone cares about.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | August 7, 2019 3:15 AM
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[Quote] Oh, and Amanda went and fucked Jennie's husband to get back at her for being such a cunt... allegedly.
Poor Peter just had no choice in the matter. He clearly didn't give a fuck by the time Twilight rolled around.
[Quote] Jennie went on to say that she did 2-3 episodes. Tori corrected her and said you were on much more than that. And Jennie got angry and insisted she was only 2-3.
Lol is she serious?? I bet she completely forgot about Jackie Taylor also being in the reboot. I'm still annoyed that they killed off her.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | August 7, 2019 4:07 AM
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Exactly r51. I only watched the show sporadically after Shannen left. It wasn't the same without her although I liked Tiffani.
Love her or hate her, Shannen brings that extra spark that none of them can bring.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | August 7, 2019 4:55 AM
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I thought Shannen and Jennie were cool with each other like Shannen is with Alyssa now.
Shannen has really revamped her image from crazy bad girl to animal rights activist.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | August 7, 2019 5:00 AM
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R54, I think Shannen is cool with Jennie... I think Jennie fakes being cool with people so she can appear to be the nice one. Tori definitely hated Shannen as recently as earlier this year so having to play nice with her now must be especially painful for her, although she'll do anything for the $$$ she desperately needs.
And Shannen does seemed to have turn things around in terms of the public being on her side... however, I'm wondering if she's still a Repub.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | August 7, 2019 5:03 AM
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How is Shannen with the rest of the cast?
I've heard Ian is cool with her, Jason not so much.
Nothing on BAG or Gramma Gabrielle.
Tiffani has always said Shannen was nice to her whenever they crossed paths as has fellow replacement Rose McGowan.
Shannen was also the only Charmed star to have nice words for the new cast and wish them well.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | August 7, 2019 5:23 AM
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I thought that Jennie's ex-husband was fooling around with his Twilight co-star Kellan Lutz?
They were always together for a while, and this was right around the time of Peter and Jennie's divorce.
I'm pretty sure that Peter went through a "gay phase" with Kellan.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 57 | August 7, 2019 5:31 AM
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I honestly think Shannen doesn't give a fuck either way. She's more into her animal activism and surviving cancer. I really do believe she is doing the show as a tribute to Luke and why not get paid. She knows she was a key part of the show getting made so she's getting some coin.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | August 7, 2019 5:34 AM
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R56, Shannen is apparently closest with BAG whom she says is like her Bestie on the show.
She seems fine with Priestly, although he apparently said some shit about her in his book that Doherty claims is untrue. She fired something back like, "well he also has brain damage..." she didn't really say it that cuntily.
And of course Shannen had positive things to say to the new cast of Charmed... she's still getting paid because of them!
by Anonymous | reply 63 | August 7, 2019 5:40 AM
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You gotta admire Shannen. She gets fired from Charmed but still made lots of $$ from it. She's not stupid.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | August 7, 2019 5:47 AM
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lots of comments about the women............I hope it has a good run as several of the former 90210 cast have had some pretty severe financial problems including Tori and Brian Austin Green and most havent had much of a career after the original show. BAG has always intrigued me for some reason. I am sorry he hasnt had more of a career.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | August 7, 2019 6:06 AM
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I wouldn't feel too badly for BAG. He's a known douchebag. Didn't he basically abandon his own son?
by Anonymous | reply 66 | August 7, 2019 6:10 AM
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I wonder if Ian felt, after Luke died, his position was more secure.
I read a review of the 90210 reboot/revival in which a few vets and mostly newbies led a new series; it said, 'do we really need to see Steve Sanders?'
Kinda mean. Kinda true.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | August 7, 2019 6:11 AM
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R30 Why does Shannen look oriental in that photo?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | August 7, 2019 6:24 AM
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Oriental, R68? She does not look like a rug nor a lamp to me.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | August 7, 2019 6:27 AM
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R57 uhh what?? It was Christian Serratos. Although it wouldn't surprise me if something happened with Nikki Reed too.
R66 according to his ex Vanessa, both BAG and Megan ain't shit when it comes to their son. Megan should've dumped his ass.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | August 7, 2019 6:41 AM
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HAHA. I agree with the above. I'm laughing at the rest of them having to deal with the fact that they wanted to shove Shannen out of this and got schooled that she's the only one anyone has any fucks for.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | August 7, 2019 1:31 PM
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Shannen Doherty will NOT be denied!
by Anonymous | reply 72 | August 7, 2019 1:47 PM
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Is Peter Facinelli really gay?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 73 | August 7, 2019 10:14 PM
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Peter definitely looks better in staged pictures.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 74 | August 7, 2019 10:16 PM
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Yeah, there is something about BAG that I don't like. He seems very controlling of Megan Fox. That asshole Michael Bay helped to derail her career but I also think BAG was a factor.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | August 7, 2019 11:14 PM
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[quote] Megan Fox. That asshole Michael Bay helped to derail her career
Megan Fox derailed her OWN career, by being a massive cunt.
There are tons of articles about her stank ass attitude in Hollywood. Go look it up.
She deserves to be blacklisted.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | August 7, 2019 11:16 PM
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Didn't Michael Bay GIVE her a career after she GAVE him head?
Also she has toe thumbs so she deserves to be blacklisted!
by Anonymous | reply 77 | August 7, 2019 11:18 PM
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I'm liking this so far. Meta to the max in a "Wes Craven's New Nightmare" kind of way with the altered reality version of the stars.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | August 8, 2019 1:34 AM
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I expected to turn it off halfway through, but I thought it was pretty decent. And next week Carol Potter and Christine Elise, looking granola and dykey respectively, are on. I wonder if they'll explore than long running rumor.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | August 8, 2019 2:11 AM
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When is Hilary Swank going to recreate her iconic role? Maybe she could be selling off her Oscars at the Pach Pit to pay the rent.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | August 8, 2019 2:24 AM
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[Quote] That asshole Michael Bay helped to derail her career but I also think BAG was a factor.
That was more Spielberg but at least Michael admitted to writing that stupid letter about her.
[Quote] When is Hilary Swank going to recreate her iconic role? Maybe she could be selling off her Oscars at the Pach Pit to pay the rent.
Lol that would be great. I wonder if they asked Kathleen back?? I know Lindsay said she wanted to.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | August 8, 2019 2:50 AM
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R81 as much as its great they couldn't do it without Shannen, is there a better fuck you than Hilary Swank? She gets fired after a few episodes and books an Oscar winning role.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | August 8, 2019 3:04 AM
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90210 peaked when they graduated high school. No one gives a shit about the timeframe when Hilary Swank was on.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | August 8, 2019 3:34 AM
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Right, r84? I had to jog my memory to remember who Lindsay played.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | August 8, 2019 4:15 AM
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I liked the college years. Valerie was the best.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | August 8, 2019 4:18 AM
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Gabrielle Carteris is the only reason worth watching!!!
(seriously, would anyone have even noticed if she had been left out?)
by Anonymous | reply 87 | August 8, 2019 4:20 AM
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Donna Martin graduates from reality TV!
by Anonymous | reply 89 | August 8, 2019 4:48 AM
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[Quote] I liked the college years. Valerie was the best.
And she didn't take shit from Kelly either.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 90 | August 8, 2019 4:53 AM
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Shannen's "Involvement" was set up to the advantage of all involved.
She is terminally ill.
She has been terminal for years. Her cancer was diagnosed at Stage IV.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | August 8, 2019 4:57 AM
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^Who let Alyssa Milano in here?
by Anonymous | reply 92 | August 8, 2019 5:02 AM
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Shannon, the walking corpse, is the only element that makes this farce watchable.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | August 8, 2019 5:04 AM
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It was obvious they had the first script written without Shannen in mind... confirms they wanted to ice her out and when they were slapped in the face with the realization that nobody gave a shit about them and only wanted Shannen, they had to squeeze her in. Their big mistake though was not chucking the entire script and starting over. The only reason to watch was to see when and how Shannen would turn up.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | August 8, 2019 5:24 AM
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R90 - That is a large part of the reason why Valerie was the best,
by Anonymous | reply 95 | August 8, 2019 6:23 AM
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They should have saved the opening credit sequence for last, so at least there'd have been somewhat of a mystery.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | August 8, 2019 6:24 AM
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Shannen's metastatic cancer should be part of the show.
Voiced by someone similar to Bobcat Goldthwait, a la "Look Who's Talking."
It could be shown on an MRI on each episode, to keep viewers in the loop about how much time she has left.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | August 8, 2019 6:26 AM
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I have to say, I kind of loved episode 1. I'm not entirely sure how they'll navigate this as a full series but after watching the first ep, it really exceeded my expectations. I think bringing Shannen in will definitely bolster itself even more.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | August 8, 2019 7:14 AM
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I can’t believe I liked it, but I did. It worked, after a bit of a shaky start.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | August 8, 2019 8:26 AM
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It was a fucking train wreck! I'll probably keep watching.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | August 8, 2019 8:57 AM
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This formula is really good for a reboot.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | August 8, 2019 11:55 AM
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R37 Interesting that Jennie thought she was on 2 or 3 episodes of the 90210 reboot...she was on 20 over multiple seasons! Jennie does look fantastic in that clip though.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | August 8, 2019 2:18 PM
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R103 I bet she doesn't even know who Erin is either.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 104 | August 8, 2019 2:26 PM
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I like it. It's much smarter than I thought it would be.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | August 8, 2019 3:59 PM
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I think it's cool that after so many years of Jennie portraying herself as this perfect person compared to Shannen who was the bitch that she is leaning in to the truth which is that she was kinda a bitch.
I think Tori making fun of her reality show mess of a life is a very smart move. Ditto Ian and the bimbo user wives.
I love me some Gabrielle Carteris and I also think the lesbian angle was interesting given that she was always such a dyke icon and her character would obviously be a lesbian if 90210 aired today.
I don't exactly understand why Brian Austin Green is doing this show, but he looks fucking hot. Also the wallet thing looked like it could have potential.
I actually have no idea what is going on with Jason Priestly these days and how the plot mirrors (or does not) his real life.
I thought the whole thing was better and smarter and funnier than I would have predicted. I'm very curious to see if it'll catch on. Most people my age (early 40s) really seemed to love it.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | August 8, 2019 4:04 PM
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I'm kind of surprised that Tori didn't get Dean McDermott cast as her husband on the show, so they could get an extra paycheck. Or is he as lazy as her "husband" in the show?
by Anonymous | reply 108 | August 8, 2019 4:36 PM
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It was surprisingly fun, but if Tori is willing to make fun of herself like this, why the hell hasn't she pursued non-degrading work in the past 20 years?
by Anonymous | reply 109 | August 8, 2019 4:41 PM
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Jennie and Tori reportedly made life hell for Tiff Thiessen and Vanessa Marcil when they joined the show. Tiff and Jennie became friends but there was some drama that put them on the outs again, so I doubt either Tiff or Vanessa would be too jazzed to return.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | August 8, 2019 5:21 PM
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[quote] so I doubt either Tiff or Vanessa would be too jazzed to return.
I guess it's a moot point since no one asked those two cunts to come anywhere near the set.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | August 8, 2019 5:51 PM
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BAG would never allow the other Brenda on that set either.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | August 8, 2019 6:21 PM
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I wonder if Shannen gets off knowing that her co-stars have to pretend to like her.
She probably gets off even more knowing that even if they don't like her, they know they need her.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | August 8, 2019 7:22 PM
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One of the persistent rumors is that when Tiff and Peter did a show together, she noticed his wandering eye and told Jennie.
The irony is that Tiffani was in the room filming when Jennie had her first baby. Guess they don't watch that video much.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | August 8, 2019 7:26 PM
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I thought it was really good. Didn't know that the premise was a parody of their real lives but found it entertaining and funny.
They all look good but I think Jennie looks especially great. Seems like the angle she's trying to portray is that she is bitchy. Tori being crazy and "lacking basic life skills" as to how she's broke even when her father was the producer.
I think this parody angle should work with the self deprecating humor as well.
And maybe a little teary eyed at the Luke Perry tribute.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | August 8, 2019 7:27 PM
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Shannen was kicked off Dancing With the Stars the first night and Jennie made it to the finals they should explore that angle!
by Anonymous | reply 116 | August 8, 2019 7:30 PM
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I thought it was surprisingly decent and watchable. The only thing that made me wince (besides Tori's horrifying chicken cutlet plastic surgery) was how they had to stop every so often and get that wistful "ohhhh" look in their eyes when Luke's name was mentioned. I suppose there was no good way to address it, but it felt really forced and cringeworthy.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | August 8, 2019 7:33 PM
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R117, she was very coordinated!
by Anonymous | reply 119 | August 8, 2019 7:43 PM
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R71 I never missed Shannen when she left; the show got better without her buck tooth ass on there.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | August 8, 2019 7:48 PM
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^Kelli.
But she's always been a stupid cow.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | August 8, 2019 7:54 PM
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No wonder Brandon doesn't like to dance.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 122 | August 9, 2019 3:15 AM
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[Quote] I don't exactly understand why Brian Austin Green is doing this show, but he looks fucking hot.
Because money.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | August 9, 2019 3:17 AM
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Anyone watch it tonight? What was it about?
by Anonymous | reply 124 | August 9, 2019 3:30 AM
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Watched it - totally surprised because it isn't a reboot at all - at least not the first episode. It was kind of corny - I'm not sure the show has 'lasted' as much as they said or think it has.
But I'll watch more episodes. Fuck does Jason Priestley look like shit. Obviously he has had no work done - and it shows. I hate Jennie Garth - just could never stand her for some reason.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | August 9, 2019 4:08 AM
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Excuse me, r125: that's JEANNIE Garth.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | August 9, 2019 4:13 AM
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I had no idea Andrea was a lesbian icon. Are they going anywhere with the kiss?
by Anonymous | reply 127 | August 9, 2019 4:13 AM
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R97
If that’s true, it would be ratings gold.
If she is really just fighting then this could be interesting.
Meta is our new reality.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | August 9, 2019 4:28 AM
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Yes, R127. In the third episode, Gabrielle, Carol and Christine go to a girls spa weekend. They meet up with Babette, Jackie's former coke connection, and become The Scissor Sisters.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | August 9, 2019 11:50 AM
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Jennie Garth does always seem a bit cold. A few years ago she had a reality show where she was remodeling her home (and was really surprisingly good at it) and she appeared kinda weird on that. And with all the rumors of her making life a living hell for new women who joined the show and her many failed marriages, I figure there’s got to be something up with her. I’ve always loved Shannen though, and was always team Brenda. Glad she’s in remission.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | August 9, 2019 5:16 PM
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Jennie was the perfect host for this weird Keurig informercial because, well, she’s a mom who loves coffee!
Join Jennie as we travel the country for Keurig!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 131 | August 9, 2019 6:20 PM
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It's interesting. I'm noticing that the promotional interviews that they've done, a lof of them have been without Shannen. They've done quite a number of group interviews with all of them there except for Shannen. Meanwhile, Shannen has been doing a lot of promos herself, solo.
Doesn't seem like something she'd be demanding in this stage of the game, as she's desperately trying to re-write the history of her having been difficult. Seems entirely likely that the rest of the cast still want to ice her out because of hostility they're holding on to, which has probably only been fueled by the fact that they coudln't get this off the ground without her (despite their efforts).
It must doubly piss them off that in a large majority of the promo shots and press kits they put together, whoever in charge seems to make sure that Shannen is at the center of the group.
Sucks to be them.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | August 10, 2019 12:15 AM
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I went to high school in Arizona with Jennie Garth. She was a bitch then and she's a bitch now.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | August 10, 2019 12:28 AM
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Shannen is being quite cordial on Twitter about the show and her co-stars so it may be that they want to fan the flames with the cast vs. Shannen narrative by having her do her own interviews. It helps to create interest, and of course, drama.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | August 10, 2019 2:13 AM
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R135 I hung out with the alternative crowd and she and her cunt friends made fun of us at lunch. I remember thinking "we're not the ones in sweat pants and frosted hair".
by Anonymous | reply 136 | August 10, 2019 8:18 PM
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I’m watching it now. Jesus, this is a bad show if you’re sober.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | August 10, 2019 9:20 PM
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If I never see another actor...
by Anonymous | reply 138 | August 11, 2019 1:52 AM
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I'm surprised Gabrielle isn't using a walker or life alert on the show.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | August 12, 2019 11:03 PM
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I actually thought it was clever. It’s harmless fun and no one is going to win an Emmy but I’ll keep watching.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | August 12, 2019 11:08 PM
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[quote]Jennie and Tori reportedly made life hell for Tiff Thiessen and Vanessa Marcil when they joined the show. Tiff and Jennie became friends but there was some drama that put them on the outs again, so I doubt either Tiff or Vanessa would be too jazzed to return.
Didn't Jennie also give Kathleen Robertson and Emma Caulfield shit on the set after they joined?
by Anonymous | reply 141 | August 13, 2019 2:37 PM
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This show is always been very white , luckily La La Anthony is there today to diversify.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | August 13, 2019 3:36 PM
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Isn't Jennie Garth the one who had Tiffani Amber Theissen in the room when she delivered her children and couldn't say hi to her when they wound up at some event?
by Anonymous | reply 144 | August 13, 2019 4:24 PM
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That girl is so white, she makes me look like a dancer on "Soul Train".
by Anonymous | reply 145 | August 14, 2019 12:46 AM
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[Quote] This show is always been very white ,
I thought there was supposed to be a spin-off with Vivica's character.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 146 | August 14, 2019 2:22 AM
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I’ve hated Ian Ziering ever since the season he was on The Apprentice. Man-splaining, condescending douche.
I think Jason Priestley still looks good.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | August 14, 2019 3:07 AM
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Are Tori's wages being garnished to pay off her massive debt?
by Anonymous | reply 150 | August 15, 2019 12:12 AM
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R150 I wonder about that. Didn't some credit card company take her to court?
by Anonymous | reply 151 | August 15, 2019 3:06 AM
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What do we know about the actor playing Gabrielle's tv hubby?
by Anonymous | reply 152 | August 15, 2019 3:57 AM
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Considering their characters just became grandparents and he looks a good 10 years younger than her, I'd say we know he hates his agent.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | August 15, 2019 4:07 AM
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Jason was born 10 days after Matt Perry and he still looks amazing whereas Matt looks like a fucking corpse. I never watched 90210 when it was on in the 90s but I like this reboot. Cool to see all these old faces. I missed last week so looking forward to seeing cancergirl Shannen.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | August 15, 2019 4:33 AM
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I have to say it was really good.
That listless 'Oh, I'm just so delicate and sensitive and nice' thing that Jennie Garth does drives me nuts.
I'm glad they wrote in that Emily person tonight whoever she is as herself.
I hate it when people are included and they just say they're someone else.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | August 15, 2019 5:11 AM
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I did like Christine Elise's appearance. I loved that she was so campy and over the top.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | August 15, 2019 5:21 AM
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R154 well Jason isn't a drug addict.
R155 well the guy who's playing Tori's husband was also on the show but I wasn't sure if he was playing the same character.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | August 15, 2019 5:47 AM
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R157 STFU. Who cares why Matt looks like fucking death. It is entirely his fault. He gets no sympathy. It is sad when you are 50 and look like fucking crap. Who cares why. That is none of our concern.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | August 15, 2019 5:53 AM
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[quote][R155] well the guy who's playing Tori's husband
Ivan Sergei, who also co-starred with Tori in the infamously titled TV movie “Mother, May I Sleep With Danger”. I’m sure the fact that he’s playing her husband is a wink/nudge reference to that.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 159 | August 15, 2019 7:23 AM
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R158 sounds like you need a valium. Calm your tits.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | August 15, 2019 7:25 AM
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Every time Tori mentioned her father tonight, I was like...yeah bitch, you have none of his skill.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | August 15, 2019 8:27 AM
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[Quote] Every time Tori mentioned her father tonight, I was like...yeah bitch, you have none of his skill.
To be fair, neither does her brother. Or Candy for that matter.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | August 15, 2019 12:04 PM
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I just started watching this. It's actually pretty good.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | August 15, 2019 12:23 PM
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[quote]Every time Tori mentioned her father tonight, I was like...yeah bitch, you have none of his skill.
Yes, but she has his hideous face... which is why I hate her!
by Anonymous | reply 164 | August 15, 2019 1:19 PM
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It seems obvious that these scripts were written in advance of Shannen's joining. All of her scenes are completely disconnected from the rest and they've just woven her in where they could after the fact, which is a shame because the show needs more of her.... it's the only reason people are tuning in.
At the same time, it works to the show's benefit because people are tuning in, waiting for her to show up.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | August 15, 2019 1:21 PM
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Cancergirl is not the only reason, speak for yourself. I like the format. Cancergirl has always been a cunt, her cancer is payback for that.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | August 15, 2019 5:46 PM
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R166 = Jennie. You know it's the truth and you can shut the fuck up and deal with it.
No Shannen, no show and y'all still bitter about it.
by Anonymous | reply 168 | August 15, 2019 5:52 PM
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Stick it up your huge asscunt. If cancergirl was tits up they still could have made the show. She is not that important. Everyone knows that cunt cannot cooperate. Even now she will probably quit. That is what cunts do.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | August 15, 2019 6:01 PM
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Such denial.
Fox turned it down until Shannen agreed. I'm sorry you can't handle it, Jennie.
Glad you're looking less beavery though!
by Anonymous | reply 170 | August 15, 2019 6:13 PM
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No Dylan, who NEEDS Brenda?
by Anonymous | reply 171 | August 15, 2019 6:30 PM
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Salary info - they each get $70K an episode, Jason earns extra for directing and Tori and Jennie get more for creating it.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 172 | August 15, 2019 6:32 PM
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R170 You are full of shit. Time to shut up.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | August 15, 2019 6:41 PM
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Yeah I'm only watching until Shannon makes more of an appearance.
by Anonymous | reply 174 | August 15, 2019 7:10 PM
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Facts always trigger dumb cunts.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | August 15, 2019 7:20 PM
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Good to see that Jennie knows when it's time to shut her dumb, cocksucking whore mouth!!!
by Anonymous | reply 176 | August 15, 2019 7:51 PM
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r132 Shannen has been doing interviews with Brian Austin Greene and Ian Ziering.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | August 15, 2019 7:54 PM
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Yeah, but again, the majority of the one's she's done have been by herself.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | August 15, 2019 8:26 PM
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The bit about Tori wanting something and then Gabrielle asking her to ask for Group therapy made no sense.
by Anonymous | reply 179 | August 15, 2019 8:27 PM
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It was weird that they showed Shannen grabbing her passport and then in the next episode she is unraveling plastic from seals or sea lions or whatever. Is that what she needed her passport for? It's a six episode run, it continuity that hard?
Also, Christine Elise looks and sounds like a whiskey soaked drag queen.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | August 17, 2019 2:40 AM
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Considering it is only six episodes, they sure have not done much with the two already aired.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | August 17, 2019 2:47 AM
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Shannen offering marriage advice to BAG was hilarious. Was that based off of her long marriage to Ashley Hamilton? Girlfriend needs to look into marrying an Invisalign.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | August 17, 2019 2:59 AM
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The BAG and Shannen scene was just weird. Were they ever friends? I barely remember them interacting on the original show.
Shannen's scenes remind me of Suzanne Somers' final scenes on Three's Company when she was on the telephone.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | August 17, 2019 4:31 AM
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Shannen is a Jupiter sized asshole compared to Somers. Shannen cannot work with anybody.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | August 17, 2019 4:40 AM
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[quote]Shannen cannot work with anybody.
Even the seal was CGI.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | August 17, 2019 5:14 AM
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R184 I don't think they had many scenes together. The only ones I remember is of them dancing.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 187 | August 17, 2019 6:19 AM
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You should put a trigger warning before posting a gif of hearthrob Scott Scanlon!! WTF?!
by Anonymous | reply 188 | August 17, 2019 6:26 AM
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70K an episode can erode quickly if they have to pay their agents, PR, and taxes. They're probably clearing $25K - not bad, but not exactly a fortune.
Gabby looks so old - she's 58. She's giving me Estelle Getty realness - and that's....fucking true! Estelle was 62 when she started Golden Girls - watch and compare.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | August 17, 2019 6:32 AM
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Did she kiss another woman?
by Anonymous | reply 192 | August 17, 2019 7:11 AM
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R191 - Estelle Getty wants her look back! Gabrielle doesn't look fine - she looks like Estelle Getty on a bad day.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | August 17, 2019 7:39 AM
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R192 apparently Emily Valentine is next.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | August 17, 2019 9:37 AM
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I wonder if Douglas Emerson is glad his character was killed off.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 195 | August 17, 2019 11:19 AM
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I wonder if Douglas Emerson is glad his character was killed off.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 196 | August 17, 2019 11:19 AM
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I'm out -- gave it two eps. Lame City.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | August 17, 2019 11:21 AM
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Douglas Emerson was a terrible actor. And I doubt he was glad his character was killed off a show that had just begun to be a pop culture phenomenon. I'm sure he, Vanessa Williams and Amy Locane started an I Hate Aaron Spelling Club.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | August 17, 2019 12:45 PM
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I thought Emerson said he wanted off the show because he was tired of acting. Any truth to that? He never acted again after leaving the show.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | August 17, 2019 1:57 PM
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The only story line I enjoyed on tho original show as the dynamic between David and Scott when avid suddenly became popular and Scott was no longer cool enough to hang with David and his new friends.
When they killed off Scott I lost interest in the show.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | August 17, 2019 2:03 PM
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R200 = Douglas Emerson or his family members. I don't know ANYONE who lost interest in 90210 once they killed off Scott Scanlon.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | August 17, 2019 2:38 PM
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It's the truth R201.
I didn't identify with any of the characters, I couldn't stand all the absurd drama and as a kid at the time no one on that show looked or acted like anyone I knew.
When Scott came back from Oklahoma and David started treating him differently I became interested simply because I went through that myself with a life long friend when we transferred to a new school.
When Scott was killed off I had no interest to keep watching.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | August 17, 2019 2:41 PM
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Why DID they kill Scott Scanlon? I hoped he and David would feast on each other's dongs on the regular.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | August 17, 2019 2:44 PM
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I am assuming that Scott was killed off because a) he was a horrible actor b) nobody cared about his character and c) as stated above, David became more popular and Scott was a hanger-on.
Scott's story naturally came to an end.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | August 17, 2019 5:25 PM
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[quote]Scott's story naturally came to an end.
Yes. An accidental self-shooting is SO natural.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | August 17, 2019 5:26 PM
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It naturally came to an end because there was no more story for him and the writers didn't want to write for him anymore. He wasn't popular. He was probably considered expendable.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | August 17, 2019 5:38 PM
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Shannen can't work with anyone... and yet they still needed her in order to make the reboot happen. Sucks to be the rest of them having to know that they weren't enough pull to get it on the air.
Be delusional all you want, if they didn't need her, she wouldn't be on.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | August 17, 2019 7:49 PM
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Why did they kill off the Scott character? It was obvious.
They needed a "very special episode," and they wanted the drama of advertising that one of the characters would be killed off. They certainly weren't going to kill off any of the main characters, which they desperately tried to make it look like they were going to do. Anyone with half a brain though knew it was going to be Scott.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | August 17, 2019 7:51 PM
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If they want to be kind, they will bring back UBER hottie Mark Kiely. I drooled over Gil Myers back in the day.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 209 | August 17, 2019 10:36 PM
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I read something once, maybe here, that if Aaron Spelling's criteria of only hiring good looking folks were used by the entire industry then his daughter would never find work.
Mean. But...the point was made.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | August 18, 2019 1:47 AM
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R102 Jason is on a Canadian series called "Private Eyes" that is currently airing its third season. He plays a former hockey star who loses his money (I can't remember how) and teams up with a private investigator in a case of the week type show. It's kind of hokey, but him and the female lead have good chemistry, so it makes for good mindless diversion viewing.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | August 18, 2019 5:37 AM
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Ooops, ^ was supposed to be for R106
by Anonymous | reply 212 | August 18, 2019 5:39 AM
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R208, the same thing happened on Melrose Place with Michael and Kimberly's car accident. I remember the TV Guide had a picture of like 6 of the cast saying one of them was gonna die and Marcia Cross was one of the 6. You knew it was going to be her.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | August 18, 2019 6:00 AM
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I'd like to see John Sears show up again. Paul Johansson is great at playing asshole characters. I think he also played the beefcake on Soapdish.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 214 | August 18, 2019 6:34 AM
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[Bold] The only reason this actor I like to refer to with initials turned down his current actress wife even for one instant is because he had to figure out a way to cheat on his then actress girlfriend with the now current actress wife. Brian Austin Green/Megan Fox/Vanessa Marcil[/bold]
by Anonymous | reply 215 | August 18, 2019 1:51 PM
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[quote]I think he also played the beefcake on Soapdish.
He did 🤤 😍🤪
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 216 | August 18, 2019 2:48 PM
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The actress who played the pyscho lesbian should have returned and had a relationship with late in life lesbo Gabrielle.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | August 18, 2019 3:51 PM
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It looks like Christine Elise and Gabrielle Carteris are going to hook up. I am loving the show!
by Anonymous | reply 218 | August 23, 2019 4:06 AM
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It’s honesty funny and completely self deprecating. I’m a fan of it.
by Anonymous | reply 219 | August 24, 2019 2:57 AM
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I love when Christine mentioned Joe E. Tata
by Anonymous | reply 220 | August 24, 2019 2:59 AM
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Doesn't Christine Elise look like the singer Pink? I always thought they could be sisters.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | August 24, 2019 3:19 AM
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I can't believe Christine Elise is not a lesbian.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | August 24, 2019 3:26 AM
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Yes, R221. I'd feel safer if she'd walk me home in the dead of night.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | August 24, 2019 10:53 AM
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How is this doing ratings wise? I tuned in to the first ep, but changed the channel after about 20 minutes.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | August 24, 2019 3:15 PM
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Someone posted an article (maybe in the other thread) about ratings being down.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | August 25, 2019 12:33 AM
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OMG, who the fuck cares about Jennie's daughter?
And yet ANOTHER episode without Shannen. They must really still hate her.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | August 29, 2019 1:27 AM
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Is there any chance the actor who played Scott Scanlon might be interested in the reboot? It would be great if they could recapture his chemistry with the gang.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | August 29, 2019 1:52 AM
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Who do you think set the fire?
by Anonymous | reply 230 | August 29, 2019 2:11 AM
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Can we get Ariel back?? Mi
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 231 | August 29, 2019 2:39 AM
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Ratings are dropping because there has been no Shannen.
by Anonymous | reply 232 | August 29, 2019 3:47 AM
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Honestly, Shannen's appearance in the second half was kind of lame. Shannen herself doesn't seem that interested in being there and it shows.
Is Jennie's stalker her hot bodyguard? I hope not.
Christine Elise is killing it. I love her. I hope she gets more gigs after this.
by Anonymous | reply 233 | August 29, 2019 5:01 AM
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R230, it's obviously Scott!
by Anonymous | reply 234 | August 29, 2019 5:58 AM
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I'm one of those who think without Shannen this thing is a mess however, I'll say this... her acting is the worst of the bunch. Seems like she has some obvious difficulties acting naturally.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | August 29, 2019 5:59 AM
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She is very stiff and unnatural.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | August 29, 2019 6:28 AM
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If they can't get Scott then maybe they should try and bring back Sue Scanlon.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | August 29, 2019 11:32 AM
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Who set the fire? The guy cast as Jim who was fired in the original pilot?
by Anonymous | reply 239 | August 29, 2019 11:59 AM
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Yes, but a cunt smarter than the rest of them!
by Anonymous | reply 240 | August 29, 2019 1:07 PM
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I have to say this show isn't doing Jennie Garth any favors. She comes across as a total bitch.
by Anonymous | reply 241 | August 29, 2019 4:42 PM
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Gabby wins her SAG - AFTRA election. Looks like the show paid off for her!
by Anonymous | reply 242 | August 29, 2019 7:59 PM
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She must have licked a lot of labia.
by Anonymous | reply 243 | August 30, 2019 12:41 AM
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R239 Christine Elise definitely started that fire.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | August 30, 2019 3:26 AM
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It'll end up being the ghost of Luke Perry, or his son.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | August 30, 2019 3:41 AM
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Why doesn't Gabrielle have any guilt about leaving her husband just to explore her sexuality? It seems kind of like a selfish thing to walk out on somebody just to find yourself, who does she think she is Ann Romano?
by Anonymous | reply 246 | August 30, 2019 3:48 AM
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Gabrielle Carteris is a human sleepaid.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | August 30, 2019 5:26 AM
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We were so surprised to find out who Zach is. Shocked, I say.
by Anonymous | reply 248 | August 30, 2019 6:09 AM
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Brian Austin Green is now 12 years older than Kim Zimmer was when Reva discovered Dylan was her son.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | August 30, 2019 6:13 AM
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[Quote] I have to say this show isn't doing Jennie Garth any favors. She comes across as a total bitch.
So she's getting paid to be herself? Not a bad gig.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | August 30, 2019 8:53 AM
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Is Ian wearing a hair piece?
by Anonymous | reply 251 | August 30, 2019 5:38 PM
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Kind of awkward for BAG to have a storyline about a secret child when he only recently reconnected with his firstborn.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 252 | August 30, 2019 5:42 PM
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Maybe Tori will be his bio mother and Candy was behind the whole thing in covering it up. Hence their tension.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | August 30, 2019 7:51 PM
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R252 rather convenient timing 🤔
by Anonymous | reply 254 | August 31, 2019 1:45 AM
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R249, most of us are closing in or have surpassed the age Lisa McColl was when Doug Marland gave her the change of life story.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | September 3, 2019 1:42 AM
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Shannon has had so much cosmetic surgery she can barely speak. Same with Denise Richards. Iain and BAG aged well. Jason looks ok except for the undereye bags.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | September 12, 2019 7:38 PM
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r525 I just found out his oldest son Kassius is gay
by Anonymous | reply 257 | September 12, 2019 10:32 PM
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Has Shannen had work done? I can't really tell with her.
by Anonymous | reply 258 | September 13, 2019 3:15 AM
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I hope it gets renewed and Gabrielle and Christine become a couple.
by Anonymous | reply 259 | September 13, 2019 6:38 AM
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R259 they have good chemistry. I don't think they had any scenes together in the og series.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | September 13, 2019 7:21 AM
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^They did. Andrea was with the gang when they all went to the club Euphoria.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | September 13, 2019 5:58 PM
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R261 weren't most of her scenes with Steve though?? They have that hilarious egg exchange with a cashier and basically miss out on the rave.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | September 14, 2019 2:29 AM
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I can't believe people are criticizing Christine's performance. She was hysterical and brought the right energy and comic timing the show needed. So did Tori. Say what you will about Tori but she is a good comedic actress.
Shannen was acting like she was in a different show. She didn't mesh well with anybody.
by Anonymous | reply 263 | September 14, 2019 4:59 AM
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[quote]I have to say this show isn't doing Jennie Garth any favors. She comes across as a total bitch.
She does seem like a bitch. When her and Tori were promoting the show on that Strahan and Sara show, she was talking about her daughters watching the show and she snottily said, “My girls have a respect and an appreciation of how hard I work and what it takes.”🙄 As if she’s some Broadway actress who does 8 shows a week. You could tell she really thinks highly of herself.
by Anonymous | reply 264 | September 14, 2019 5:10 AM
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So now both senior citizen Andrea and Christine are gay, yet there are no gay male characters on the show.
I’ll pass. Tired of gay men not being represented.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | September 14, 2019 5:12 AM
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Did any gay actors appear on the original show?
by Anonymous | reply 266 | September 15, 2019 2:33 AM
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If Scott didn't blow himself away, I think he would've ended up blowing the captain of the football team.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | September 16, 2019 2:29 AM
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[Quote] “My girls have a respect and an appreciation of how hard I work and what it takes.”🙄
I would've understood this quote more if she was referring to the original. They would film 2 episodes at the same time. I don't think any other teen drama had 31 episodes a season.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | September 16, 2019 11:02 AM
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I hated the storyline with Jennie and her charisma-free daughter.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | September 17, 2019 12:18 AM
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Try having a charisma free daughter AND granddaughter.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | September 17, 2019 12:41 AM
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