British Royal Family Gossip Part 79

You can have a marriage annulled in the UK on the following grounds, in the first year:

Both partners 16 or under

Partners turn out to be related, or one is already married

One of them is transitioning (no, not kidding)

No sex

One has an undisclosed STI

Scandalous breakups are not going to escape Betty's grandchildren. Yuge seems pretty set with her tequila salesman husband, doubt it'd come from that marriage. The most likely one would be the Sussexes due to the fuckery surrounding quickie courtship and marriage, BSC wife who loves limelight, Harry dim and dominated, and splitsville from BRF rules/ decorum.

Re my previous post, The reason I'm saying the BRF should have monitored MM much more closely or rather the little grey men should have done so, would be the extensive financial improprieties attached to her name. Much is yet to be revealed and is only whispered across the internet. Look at the cookbook and the Mosque as one example. Stealing from a charity?

I doubt H and M will split while their children are still young.

MM stealing from the mosque is DL gossip with no source to back it up. Repeating something endlessly doesn't make it true.

Town and Country, a reputable source, said MM brought $5m to the marriage from her job/endorsements. She had no reason to steal anything.

'Much is yet to be revealed and is only whispered across the internet. '

Hi, Danja Zone!

Danja talking about Harry being on the brink of shape shifting into a lizard in an interview.

Town & Country is just repeating what they heard, it's not like they got a look at MM's bank accounts. If you believe that someone in a third rate cable show, who wasn't the lead, managed to earn $5m in 7 years after paying tax in two countries, plus agents fees etc. I've got a river in Egypt to sell you.

R6, Not Danja Zone. Read the Comments after the video as well. Also for those who dis Tarot, it's obviously used as a cover since the speaker has a lot of sources for information.

Not saying all of what's presented is accurate. Just that it brings up a lot of interesting points.

R8, I can easily believe it, considering she was paid €50k an episode in the final few years and got endorsement deals. Merching pays!

R9, that frau is even worse than Danja, who at least has a comedy voice. Are all CTs superstitious too? Guess you are. 😂😂😂

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Nobody was paying Markle to fuck that misshapen, flat/assed body. She’s a skank , and an old one at that.

Well, I guess we'll see her touching and coddling her protruding mid-section again, because of the stuffed money belt she'll be wearing.

No way in hell Meghan was paid that much as a supporting actress on an obscure cable show. According to the Hollywood Reporter, newcomers with no prior series experience earn only $15,000 - $20,000 per episode.

A lot of women in that horsey, aristo group have cankles. That's what happens when you go everywhere in your Rolls and don't walk enough.

R11, Definitely not superstitious. As I already said the Tarot cards are used as a cover to reveal what the speaker has learned through confidential sources.. Like CT some of it might be true and other info could be highly exaggerated. I posted it as very light entertainment which fits into the jest of this entire thread.

Read the Comments for some valid insights as to how MM made money off of the charity where IMHO she should not have taken one red cent. That's my motivation for posting the link. Agree with R11 that Danja Zone's Southern voice cracks me up.

R13, How wrong you are re what appeals to straight men. She may not be your type but many would disagree. Also we don't know if she caters to certain fetishes which more perfect looking young women would not do. Personally I can see her as a dom. Maybe that's what Harry needed?

Long before I heard of MM with Harry I was reading about how well the Deal or No Deal girls were doing with that "dating". I suspect Meghan did quite nicely.

R19, Didn't ALL of the Deal or No Deal girls "date?" Many were hired out as elite golf hostesses.

Elite golf hostesses? What a clever term for "whore".

No way she had 5 millions.

Look how working actors live, they don't make that kind of money. Low brand endorsment don't pay much either.

Her old house was cute but that's it, nothing to write home. Even the Mulroney's house is quite small.

The hot creeper from Glee would probably have earned more per episode on a show like that versus MM on Suits, wouldn’t he? I got the impression he didn’t have all that much money, even before the public downfall.

A lot of Hollywood “wealth” is illusion created by freebies.

No matter what her salary, MM brought more money to her marriage than Waitey.

R24 Holy shit how many puppet accounts do you have?

R1 And your point is?

Markle & PH cannot get an annulment. None of the grounds apply to them. (Except possibly the STI business - they are probably both riddled, but the first year is over).

So the person predicting an annulment is clueless. Like most posters on here, to be fair.

For R597 in the previous thread who say that a civil marriage doesn’t count for the church, it does in the Church of England, but individual vicars can choose (or not) to marry a couple where one has been divorced before. It was just seen as bad optics for Charles & Camilla, so they had a civil marriage and church blessing afterwards.

If Harry wanted a church wedding second time around, I’m sure he could easily find a clergyman willing to perform the ceremony.

I see "light entertainment" is the favoured term the newest tinhatter is using to justify posting links to tin hat vloggers. It also goes with "read the comments" for interesting information. R9 R17 is absolutely the poster who keeps giving us Danja Zone links and "a British commentary" from a granny scrolling through her iPad showing her favourite Tumblr posts and pictures of her nephew's supper.

I wager that poster is a middle-aged or elderly woman from a landlocked state in the USA.

That “starting a charity for girls” shit is one of the reasons I detest Markle. It’s bullshit. Clear, obvious bullshit.

In the year prior to meeting Ginge, she was boasting to anyone who would listen that she was “starting a girls’ program in India” which she was “super excited about” and she was planning a two week trip there “in January”.

At that stage, she’d never actually been to India. So this D list cable actress sat in her Canadian living room planning a charitable program for girls she’d never met in a country she’d never visited.

She was quite clear that it was all her plan (she’d been working on it for 6 months, apparently) - she never mentioned who the girls were, what the program was going to achieve, where the funding was coming from, what research she’d done, which organisations she was working with, what permits had been applied for...etc.

She spoke about this in at least two print interviews I found when the big romance “leaked”. I knew it was bullshit and waited to see what would happen in January when she’d claimed she was off to India to ge the “program” off the ground.

Sure enough, January rolled around and her PR put out that she was “too famous” to go to India now and the trip had been postponed.

In spite of this, she did show up there to “observe” a charitable initiative for a couple of days - something started by an Indian woman who had never heard of Markle until her PR hastily arranged a visit.

Markle in India was so very clearly a CYA exercise to hide the fact that she’d been lying in interviews about starting a charity there.

Put this together with the fiction that she’d been working in a Toronto soup kitchen for six year & the very, very heavily embellished story of herself as a feminist campaigner at 11 (it was a school project) and you have barefaced liar.

People who detest seeing the word “narc” flung around on these threads, tough shit. One of the tells of a narcissist is their self-aggrandising lies and Markle is an expert.

Why the hell would she open a charity in India anyway?

It's so weird. She coud have a small charity in Canada or the US, if she really wanted to have one. It's not as exotic but Canadian girls need support too.

But India? Smell like Poverty Porn and White Saviorism.

[quote] She was quite clear that it was all her plan (she’d been working on it for 6 months, apparently) - she never mentioned who the girls were, what the program was going to achieve, where the funding was coming from, what research she’d done, which organisations she was working with, what permits had been applied for...etc.

R29 She was working with World Vision. Their team would have been doing all the development work and wouldn't announce details until project launch. The timing of her involvement with them could have been PR spin though. Make of that what you will.

I wouldn't say Meghan was a feminist campaigner at 11, but Meghan clearly went beyond the school project when she followed up with P&G and then they changed the ad. That was a positive change that she effected. She had school help, but she did it. Her teachers from the time said she did it. There's video from that period. That's not all PR. Yay for teachers. Yay for young people making a positive difference. Yay for a corporation being responsive to a customer.

You can think she's a narc or a cunt or whatever and also acknowledge that she's had some achievements.

Free speech, hate speech or both?

[quote] A sick website on which Neo-Nazis made terrorist threats to Prince Harry is refusing to take down more anti-Royal race hate posted by Brits.

[quote] One vile message posted on Gab.com in the wake of the attacks on Harry says: “The only good royal is a dead royal.”

[quote] Other users have uploaded cruel, mocked-up cartoons targeted at his wife Meghan Markle ’s mixed-race heritage.

[quote] Yet the American site’s bosses say they will not take them down – insisting they defend the right of British extremists to have their say.

[quote] They hit out just days after Britons Michael Szewczuk, 19, and Oskar Dunn-Koczorowski, 18, were jailed for encouraging terrorism via posts on the website.

There’s a clear difference between free speech and wishing someone dead. Why do people think that putting hate speech online is different to a threat in person? It’s not

Where I grew up wearing rings on every finger was considered the height of tackiness. Little things like that speak volumes.

When two opposite worlds collide.

In this case DL and The Express.

Yesterday I was reading a poster's mini-transcript of CamillaGate/ TamponGate, the trousers, knickers and tampon section.

Well, who would have thunk? Same transcript in the Express this morning.

They rehearse old Cambs stories like they rehearse the tampon story.

It must suck to be a tabloid "journalist", you have to publish 5 articles a day but with no news or source. So you publish the same old stories again and again.

I chanced upon the term "duvet journalism" and it made me laugh.

R31

Right. So, WorldVision invested 6 months of time, money and research in a project that Markle could claim as her own, then ditched it when she got a famous boyfriend? And why did she claim it was all her own work if it was WorldVision? Get real.

And why did she suddenly decide to go to India at exactly the time she was supposedly going for the “girls’ program? That project had nothing to do with WorldVision or any other major charity - and the woman who started it had never heard of Markle?

If Markle could do that, she couldn’t do the WorldVision work that she was “super excited about”?

How naive are you? Want to buy a bridge?

And the Proctor & Gamble thing was a school project. Her teacher made all the kids watch adverts then write letters. The letter she wrote as part of that happened to get attention.

Her oft repeated story about sexist remarks from school mates, deep & meaningful chats with dad, deciding to write a letter and catching the attention of Madeline Albright & Hilary Clinton....all fiction.

Her “achievements” amount to a few days in Rwanda set up by her PR company who have a habit of placing their zelebs with charities (& posing for a “humanitarian fashion” photoshoot off the back of it”), one speech at the UN talking (and lying) about herself...and that’s it.

Put down the KoolAid, fool.

I'd just like to know why a so-called feminist was in bed with World Vision in the first place.

WOrld Vision doesn't have a bad reputation, I think she went to different charities and they were the one willing to work with her.

World vision has a horrific proselytising kinda image in developing countries.

World Vision doesn't have a bad reputation? Are you aware that you're posting on a gay site?

An evangelical "charity" taking orders from Franklin Graham, Focus on the Family, and so many others of their ilk — yeah, they have a great reputation.

They have been founded by this guy 50 years ago, prove me they do a bad job today.

Just looking on Internet, I don't see any major scandal.

R43, Exactly what per cent of donations actually go to the given charity project? I give to my local AFAN where more than 95% goes to charity.

[quote]World Vision reverses decision, calls intention to work with LGBT people a "mistake"

R43, World Vision International hasn't had any scandals? Do you ever use Google? Look what I instantly found. . .

R46, For those who won't use Google. . .

What’s the story? The manager of the Gaza branch of World Vision has been arrested by Israeli law enforcement and charged with funneling about $43 million to the Islamist militant group Hamas. The manager, Mohammad El Halabi, is also accused of having specifically infiltrated World Vision for the purpose of reaching an influential position from which he could provide funds and resources for Hamas militants.

[quote]Wherever we work, our prayer is that our efforts will be used by God to heal and strengthen people’s relationships with Him and with one another. We do this by demonstrating God’s unconditional love for all people through our service to the poor — which includes providing for daily needs, working to build peace and promote justice, and partnering with churches and individuals to encourage spiritual transformation.

R45 Ok, mea culpa I didn't see it.

The photo of Anne and Eric upthread has absolutely made my day! What a fantastic picture! Thanks for posting.

But tbh, World Vision is basically unknown where I live.

Peter Phillips and Thomas Kingston (Gabby's new husband) are the best looking men in the BRF at this point. (I don't think technically they're in the BRF, but you know what I mean). If Will still had hair he'd be right up there.

Before I get rotten vegetables thrown at me, I know they ARE members of the BRF, but they're not considered immediate family. That's all I meant.

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One more for good measure: demanding sex from earthquake survivors in exchange for aid!

[quote]A British-funded charity supported by Meghan Markle has admitted its workers traded food and cash for sex with survivors of the devastating 2010 earthquake on Haiti.

[quote]The confession by global charity World Vision will dismay supporters, including Prince Harry's fiancée, the charity's ambassador until last year.

[quote]Desperate survivors of the disaster were forced by paid employees of World Vision – which received £17 million (NZD $32million) from the UK Government last year – to have sex or pay money for World Food Programme aid, reports Daily Mail.

R55 If only they were the only ones.

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David Foster is an old fool

I bet Markle wishes she’d gotten to him before Katharine McPhee did. Those two are cut from the same cloth.

With all the discussion about finances, I thought I would post a link to an article discussing Audi pulling sponsorship from the Sentebale polo match. Weird thing is, they're mostly all gone.

If you google "Audi Sentebale Polo", you will find one article at a news aggregator called pressreader.com from an article published in the Scottish Daily Mail. It discusses how Audi dropped the polo match because they were asked to donate a sizeable sum. Kensington Palace denied the sum was the rumored $1M and that the demand came from Meghan.

I cannot link directly to this article because it directs you back to the aggregator's home page. However, if you google it comes up pretty readily. The point is, I remember at the time many outlets reported on this and now it's mainly been wiped. William's recent action of removing Harry and Meghan from the Royal Foundation (and the BRF's sidelining of the couple, in general) is probably due to them wanting to distance themselves from this type of impropriety.

So how did the Audi polo thing work, then?

Did Audi pay Harry to play in return for a donation to Sentebale? And then Markle showed up and demanded they start paying £1m?

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Diana and her brother Charles.

R52, I don't really agree with your choices, but the Ogilvy family have some good-looking men.

R38 You can disagree without being an angry asswipe about it.

I think in order of hotness it goes like this : Gabby's husband (hot AND handsome)>Peter (cute)> Mike Phillips (fugly but hot as sin. Both Zara and he have this earthy sensuality about them actually)

Happy Birthday to Kate's father Michael Middleton who turns 70 today.

Swipe for photos of Kate when she was young. She was kind of a homely child.

Kate bowing her head on her wedding day.

Kate's father Michael Middleton shares a birthday with the late Duke of Windsor.

It's Tiara Time - The Queen's diamond and sapphire tiara was once owned by a Princess of Belgium. Swipe for photos of the Queen's sapphire collection.

Elizabeth with baby Charles.

Charles was really cute when he was little - before the ugly fairy showed up and cursed him.

For anyone repeating the bullshit about how wealthy Meg was before hooking up with Harry, please answer this, why couldn't she even buy her own wedding dress? The Middleton's paid for Kate's. And can you find pics of Meg wearing Givenchy or Dior before Harry? If she was so rich where was her high end designer wardrobe back then?

That $50,000/per episode figure is bullshit. I read somewhere that by the end of Mad Men John Hamm was making that much. Mad Men was a much bigger show and he was the lead. She didn't make as much as he did. No one watched Suits and she was only in a supporting role. I am not going to say Meghan wasn't successful in her own way, tons of wanna-be actors who were currently waiting tables would kill for a regular gig like she had. And compared to the typical office drone or whatever of course she made a good living. But let's get real, her show was done in Canada because it didn't have the budget to film in LA and it's not like she was on Friends or Big Bang Theory. Stop blowing it up like she was some major Hollywood star. No one even heard of her until she was with Harry.

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Exactly, R74. She was a “millionaire” living in a rented terraced house!

I read somewhere that she earned $20k per episode (don’t know if that’s true).

Suits has 16 episodes per season, so she’d gross £320k a year. Six years of that would be £1.9m.

And that’s gross. Don’t know what the tax rate in the US is...but in the UK she’d take home £180,000 or so a year from £320k (higher rate tax payer plus national insurance). So she’d make just over one million over the six years.

On top of that she has agent’s fees and her PR costs.

(NB: I do know the figures will be different in the US but I am just using UK as shorthand because I imagine it’s not all that different).

The Tig would not have made much money. Blogs don’t unless they are huge...and she didn’t even have ads on hers. She’d have got some money for running ad features for restaurants (maybe) but mostly she’d have got freebies as an “influencer”.

That Reitman’s thing...I don’t know. She didn’t actually design the clothes, just put her name to the brand and modelled. Not sure what that pays, but if they were willing to fork out millions they’d have gone for a famous actress, not a unknown cable actress.

Millions, my arse.

R61, typically in these situations the charity approaches the sponsor. The sponsor foots much of the bill for the event (along with any co-sponsors) and also makes a donation to the charity. They, in turn, get positive press. For a "prestige" brand, they have the added benefit of being associated with royalty.

Audi had sponsored this match for years. They pulled out after Harry married Meghan. It was rumored that Meghan asked them to up their donation significantly. Again rumors, but given her steamroller personality not unprobable. And if she did it, how much do you want to bet she did it without consulting or going against the wishes of the Foundation? Harry and Meghan had to be tossed from the Foundation for this type of behavior. They don't care about the reputation of the BRF or the Foundation.

Interestingly, Audi did end up sponsoring a charity concert for Sentable this year. But I think this is their way of attempting to leave the partnership on good terms. We will see if they have any involvement next year (or if Sentebale goes the way of the Invictus Games).

I don't know if Princess Anne is excited or appalled.

Camilla all decked out for an Opening of Parliament.

I think Camilla should wear her hair shorter like this style.

Prince Andrew with the Queen yesterday at Ascot.

Say what you will about her funky hair, Anne has admirably avoided the dreaded middle-aged spread. I bet she can wear stuff in her closet going back decades.

She does, R82. The first pic is from 1980. The second is from 2018. She's worn the outfit a few times in between.

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Thanks, R77. Interesting.

I wish Anne were the next in line. She’s the only one who never complains or explains.

Anne has kept pretty trim and people forget that she spent years training in a fairly difficult sport. She was never a great beauty but then she never cared whether or not she was or not. Her only real passion was the equestrian and country life, and as the only daughter of Britain's sovereign, she was hardly insecure about her position in life. She carved out her own identity and her own path with what seemed like cheerful contempt for restrictions whilst making her respect for her mother and the monarchy clear. She's looked about 40 since she was 16 so she seems nearly ageless.

That last said, at nearly 70, Anne is beginning to look remarkably like her great-grandmother, Queen Mary, in both style and carriage; wen she wears those longish coats with flattish shoes and fur collars, the older Mary springs out of the photo. Anne, Edward, and Charles, got next to nothing from the Bowes-Lyon side and everything from the Windsor side. Only Andrew and his daughter, Eugenie, got the Bowen-Lyon colouring and less Hanoverian features.

One can only imagine what the brisk, no-bullshit Anne makes of the shallow, talentless, self-aggrandising L.A. grifter who within one year has managed to drag Harry out of his family, open a schism between Charles's two sons, and expose the BRF to mockery and speculation. And her contempt for Charles's inability to stop his son from marrying the grifter is probably profound: she always did think Charles a spineless whinger.

And she was right. I've long thought she would have made an incredible monarch.

Anne would be a better monarch than Charles but I doubt she'd enjoy it much.

The past year has made Charles out to be absolutely pathetic in character, nobody really expects the Queen to micromanage absolutely everything at her age, and when so far down her line.

R68, baby Kate and Louis look just alike.

R90, I thought that's what "the little grey men" were for meaning they'd be the ones to make sure younger Royals don't embarrass the Queen. Wasn't Princess Diana always complaining about their intrusiveness? Sometimes it's very necessary especially to stop financial improprieties. I would not have ever trusted MM from Day-1 not to cause a PR disaster.

Yes, r90, and at the absolute worst time as this past year was intended to increase Charles' profile so that the public would except him as a de facto regent. He had done much to rehabilitate his image and even if he wasn't popular he was respectable enough to be accepted by the public. Now he looks dithering idiot who can't handle his d-list actress daughter-in-law.

Independent State of Frogmore Not Allowed?

[quote] A well-placed royal source has told the Sunday Time that the plan to move the Sussex office to Buckingham Palace (rather than Windsor) was deliberately engineered by the Queen’s office.

[quote] The intention is to ensure what they do is co-ordinated with the rest of the household, so you don’t get an Independent State of Frogmore.

At the same time they let them have their own Foundation. How does that work?

So far, It doesn't seem to be working.

Slush fund that is not taking PR swipes at the rest of the family I suppose, R95.

Has BP confirmed that they are getting a Foundation or is this just more wishful PR from the Harkles?

If they do allow them a Foundation, and financial shenanigans occur and come to light, then the damage will mostly be limited to the Harry and Meghan. It would give the BRF a legitimate excuse to jettison them. The public would say, see, the Cambridges were right to separate them from the Royal Foundation.

If there's financial shenanigans the BRF will be blamed anyway.

Has Harry ever been blamed for anything? Meghan will deflect with the race card, et voilà!

Where are they living now?

R93, R94, Recall a younger Charles scolding Andrew to "control your wife." Sarah & Dianna were using their umbrellas in a most un-Royal manner to have a moment or riotous fun at Ascot. Quite a different story if even some of the rumored financial shenanigans of MM are true.

Still want to know how Doria got such a huge increase of $$$ in her account.

The BRF will take some blame, but nothing like what it would have received had they remained in the Royal Foundation. Also, William and Kate will come out squeaky clean.

Harry is seemingly always excused because he is so dimwitted.

Frogmore officialy.

I think Harry's shield will be diminished now, especially as the attention focuses on the cute cambridges and not on the balding father of one that coming across increasingly bad in public.

R103, So how long did MM actually stay with the Clooney's? Are the Harkles still living and operating together as peas in a pod?

How was Charles supposed to stop Harry, an adult, from marrying Meghan?

The Queen could have. Of course the scandal would have been ugly, but she could.

"pay for your own wedding if you don't want to wait at least a year" would halt Harry. His 300k trust wouldn't cover for shit.

The Queen should’ve nixed it when she had the chance. God knows she saw the same things happen to many relatives.

The Queen has always been weak with the family. Philip tried and it was ugly.

Was Prince Harry 100% aware of all of MM's past? Was M-16 thorough enough in their detailed investigation? Was Harry dim or did he secretly want revenge on members of the BRF?

To what degree did the BRF make MM sign agreements re the extremely specific rules for her new life and the expectations she would be required to fulfill? I would have sent her to BRF-Royal protocol school full-time for weeks before approving the engagement.

R111 You speak as if MM was a serial killer or something.

She's shady/annoying but not a criminal.

For those posters who think Meghan is one of the worst things to happen to the monarchy under Elizabeth II, how is she worse that Andrew?

Full disclosure: I used to think Randy Andy had a few missteps like many other royals but that he was benign. After watching the recent Jeremy Paxman documentary (links in the previous thread) I'm rethinking him and the queen's response to him.

R111, You're joking, right? Never said MM ever committed any crimes let alone serial murder. As a newcomer and "Yank" you know she would have been far more carefully scrutinized than any upper class British subject. Therefore M-16 should have been far, far more careful.

R113, If you think Randy Andy is worse than MM then you aren't aware of what's going to come out about her past and present. Andrew gets more leeway because he's not a total outsider. In a sense it's QE II's fault he was so spoiled. What's MM's excuse?

Maybe they thought they were getting another Kate? But he should’ve been told to be engaged for more than a nanosecond.

There are stories about a bunch of family and friends warning Harry to at least take more time before marrying Meghan but it was well known that Harry wanted a family of his own and I'm sure she used her advancing age to press the issue and speed everything up. It's crazy that they were allowed to announce their engagement without ever even living in the same country. It's also been said that the planned announcement of Eugenie and Jack's engagement and their wedding was pushed back in order to allow Harry and Meghan to go first. So all kinds of accommodations were made for Meghan and her aging ovaries.

Anyway, Meghan was supposed to be getting "princess lessons" from Samantha Cohen, the queen's assistant private secretary. You can judge for yourself how successful Samantha was with that task.

Oh please, the "what's going to come out about her past". Worse than fucking someone while you were 6 months pregnant, caught by a reporter trying to sell access to the family, a complete disgrace? That's Fergie. And she's a drunk.

R115 I'm been on the BRF threads since the beginning and Dangling Tendrils before that. I've heard it all. Narc, pushy, merching, attention-seeking, pay for play, PR campaign against the Cambridges, ill-fitting clothes, no tights, banana gate, PDAs, curtsey, tongue sticking out, Eugenie's wedding, race card etc.

I haven't heard that Meghan has social and business dealings with murderous dictators and a pedophile. Perhaps I'm considering those problems with Andy as worst than Meghan's issues. Some of the allegations about Meghan are speculation. Andy's issues have a strong paper trail. And each time Andy has a scandal the queen gives him a new honour. SMH.

R118 a very lucky drunk who has managed to weasel her way back into the fold. If anyone should be giving MM lessons it’s Fergie.z

R113 I agree, I think too that because Andrew is an insider and not a married-in member of BRF, that he should be even more cognizant and careful about who he associates with/ grifts from. The fact that Andrew keeps choosing 2nd-/3rd-world dictators and questionable criminal bigwigs/ sex offenders is concerning. I understand he may feels like he needs to make his own money in whichever way he could but dang, those are some grade-A shady circles he's moving in/ around. If Andrew as a member of the BRF and now as his mother's de facto public consort cannot manage the bad optics, then how do they expect Meghan as an outsider/ married-in member to not pull her shitty, grifting stunts?

Meghan made the typical new money spawn mistake of being overly flashy and throwing discretion to the wind. Except that it's not even her money or 'promised' to her via inheritance.

Andy is horrible and the Queen is terrible for continuing to prop him up. He and the BRF should face as much criticism for his behavior and their acceptance of such as they do for Meghan. Doesn't mean Meghan shouldn't face criticism. She invites it as she is so blatant.

I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan has engaged in or will engage in financial criminal activity at some point. Not because her intent is to engage in criminal activity, but because she thinks she is above the rules. She doesn't listen to anyone.

R87 Great explanation of why Anne is my favorite royal.

It must be very frustrating having access to so much wealth but having to pretend to be frugal... It would drive me insane.

Harry's engagement, marriage, and procreation are part and parcel with his lazy, entitled attitude. He sees William happy and content with his wife and children, and he is envious. Does Harry see this as an indictment of the way he spent his 20s, partying his freckled ass off and treating his one long-term, loyal girlfriend like crap? Does he take this as a sign that he should find a nice woman, nurture that relationship for several years to ensure compatibility, and then, after a few more years of stable marriage, have children? Nope, once again he sees himself as hard-done-by, so he rushes right out and marries the first grifter who fills his head with pie-in-the-sky bullshit. They practically sprint down the aisle, then leap equally quickly into parenthood and all its attendant pressures.

And when it all falls down around his ears, who will Harry blame? William, for warning him against marrying Meghan. Kate, for not being welcoming enough. The Cambridge children, for hogging the spotlight. Meghan herself, for not being the mommy-mistress of his dreams. Perhaps the Queen and the rest of the world, for not overwhelming him with sufficient love and money and unearned medals on his chest.

One thing is certain: He will never, ever blame Harry.

R125, I imagine the luxiourious town and country dwellings (which were renovated and decorated to your specifications) and the ski and beach holidays in the best locations in sumptious accommodations would make up for having to ocassionally step out in an H&M pullover.

R121 I get that every family has embarrassing family member. Meghan seems to sliding into the "irritating in-law" category.

R123 Sure criticize Meghan. I just don't understand why this board has so much criticism for Meghan, and even Kate, but doesn't slam Andy for his behaviour and the queen for enabling him.

"Mary" the fuck out of me but I legit felt uncomfortable after I heard that more than once the queen has given Andrew an award in response to a scandal. It felt like she was saying "Good job for being linked to a sex ring that's trafficking underaged girls." WTF!

R128, you're right, of course. I guess I'm here for light gossip and snark and it goes without saying that Randy Andy is dreadful, but he belongs to the past. Meghan is current. But yes, they're all dreadful. Off with their heads.

R128 Misogyny is your answer. God forbid a woman to be lazy or ambitious.

Meghan annoys me but she's just annoying.

R129 Meghan's elementary school "feminist" campaign was discussed upthread and Kate is called "Waity" at least once on most threads even though she's been married for 8 years. There was a new Jefferey Epstein related trial in February 2019 and there are still calls for a DOJ investigation of Alexander Acosta. That is not in the past.

I wonder if they brought new charges against Epstein if he would name names to shave time off any possible jail time?

I’ve read more than once about how Andrew is ‘selling access’ to the British Royal Family. Does anyone know how that works? Is it weekends in the country, getting invited on hunts? Or does he have dinner parties with Uzbekistani oligarchs in London and insist his mother attend?

Or is it more like Andrew is included in some business venture at far too high a percentage - say 15% instead of 1% which is the real work he’s putting in – but he will attend their events or something and get them media coverage? I know that there’s been a couple of times when Andrew sold property for far more than its assessed value.

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The difference between Andrew and Meghan is that Meghan chose to join the BRF. She's getting criticized? Tough shit. What did she think was going to happen? She is not a victim.

R134 Nobody was called a victim.

[quote]Sure criticize Meghan. I just don't understand why this board has so much criticism for Meghan, and even Kate, but doesn't slam Andy for his behaviour and the queen for enabling him.

Where's the criticism for the guy hanging out with pedos and murderers and for the woman who keeps giving him medals for doing it?

R134 The problem is not her being criticized, but:

1. Creating bullshit like the baby doll or the surrogate.

2. Giving Andy a pass because he's the Queen favorite.

We don’t need to choose ladies, we can hate on Andy AND MM equally.

R136 I don't even care about Darren and the surrogate. Crazy is as crazy does. Those parts of the thread are funny sometimes and tedious when they get too serious.

I don't see how the queen doesn't even get a little bit of criticism and how Andy gets any kind of pass.

R137. I agree. I'm advocating for some Andy hate up in here.

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Because if you've followed this and similar threads, Andy has been criticized. But the fact is that he doesn't offer up much new material to discuss. Meghan is constantly in the press, mostly from her own making. That's why she gets discussed more frequently.

The Queen is more than 90 years old, same as my grand-mother.

It's too late to hold her responsible now. I'm surprised she's still functionning.

What r122 said and I write this as a bemused onlooker to both the Dook and Dookess of Sussex and her haters here on these threads because their cheese has a very tenuous hold on the cracker, if you catch my drift.

As I've argued before, the problem isn't that the DoS is a scheming climber. Scheming climbers are interesting as Dominick Dunne points out. The problem is that the DoS doesn't have a solid, real, foundation in what exactly her position nad how to play her cards correctly from that position. Without that on her part, her mistakes will continue.

Unless there's an epiphany on the part of both of them; one that provides a truthful, correct assessment of themselves and their place in the BRF, I give the marriage two or three years, tops.

She’s on the same level as Wallis. Can someone please save these not too bright people from themselves??

Della, the odds of the marriage going past 3-5 years were always still. And that's without the BRF component.

SLIM not still at R144

Imagine if wallis had been able to give birth to a son, now that would have been entertainment for the ages.

In that Jeremy Paxman documentary linked on the previous thread, it did criticize Andrew quite severely even interviewing a Labour MP I believe, who wanted to curtail expenses paid for Andy to do "official" business on behalf of GB. But we know that Andy combines official business with shady side dealings while, as the MP pointed out, showing up to these foreign trip and making a big stink demanding not just a luxury hotel room but entire suite. All this on taxpayers' expense. But Betty loves Andy because again as part one of the Paxman documentary puts it, Andy and Edward represent the renewal of the Windsor marriage since suffering a rough patch after the births of Charles and Anne. It's so obvious Betty has blind spots for Andy.

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Maybe Andy hates Meghan doubly so not just for bitchily upstaging Yuge at her own wedding with the narcissistic announcement of pregnancy, but for the ways in which Meghan is now drawing attention to his own shady associations. Both Andy and Meghan are awful representatives of the BRF.

Andy is a dirty old perv. No wonder that hag he married was into sucking toes.

Plenty of rich older men prefer the company of much younger women. The creepy part is the association with Jeff Epstein and sex trafficking of underaged girls. Is it proven that Andy was involved in the illegal activities? I haven't read up on the case.

For R141

[quote] 101-year-old paedophile jailed for 13 years. Ralph Clarke, who committed offences in 1970s and 80s, is believed to be oldest person ever convicted by jury in UK

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Creepy Uncle Andy's fixer

R153 Andy acts like a celeb download and is no different from other "humanitarians" like Leonardo Di Caprio who hires yacht-full of hookers some of whom underage, partying and entertaining his friends. Most of these limousine liberals who espouse socially-aware/ liberal issues like environmental causes or women's rights are frankly hypocrites. It's why we need less of these influencer/ celeb "humanitarians" and more promotion of these issues and the people who do actual work trying to solve the problems.

Agree, r144.

A previous poster asked what the DoS should have done to avoid the negative light she's in now.

Let's begin with her decision, in the first instance, to marry PH. If she had any sophistication or depth she'd have, instead, remained his mistress and let him marry some boring aristo who'd have him. I'm only half-joking here.

The two biggest mistakes by the DOS are the following: Willfully, ignorantly believe that the BRF will adjust to her, instead of knowing that, once she curtsies to the Soveriegn, Queen Elizabeth II at her wedding, instead, she must adjust her attitudes, beliefs and behaviors to the family and institution of the man she just made vows to.

The only explanation I can derive from her not doing so is her pure ego, vanity and letting all the engagement publicity go to her head, in a bad way.

It takes a certain humility and depth to take stock of your circumstances: I'm a 34 years old, divorced, "C" List actor with hardly any moves left and I've snagged the son and brother of the future Kings of England and the grandson and son of QE II and Diana. Wow. I better place myself in more seasoned hands than mine.

Which brings me to her 2nd mistake: She's a pretty, African American with an elite education ( and yes haters, while it isn't an "Ivy", Northwestern is an elite American university) and has a knack for garnering attention.

Given all of that, she's inherently, without even having to try, an object of curiosity and attention.

Which is exactly why the NY Celebrity "A" List Show Folk Trash shower was such a monumental mistake; because it was SO unnecessary. Her stardom is of a different league and kind now and that shower was jarring in how it looked exactly what it was- a cheap spectacle.

I've concluded the DoS doesn't have the depth, substance and restraint to manage her circumstances. Too bad. I was interested in how she will play her cards, but now, she's committing the worst sin- I'm losing interest; she's becoming a bore.

To all asking why Charles can't control MM, WELL she pulled his and BRF set-card, when she had Harry issue to "Race Card" manifesto early in the courtship to the press. At this point, ANY move to c merely direct her, rein her in or exert control WILL AUTOMATICALLY FALL UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF RACISM!!!! Poor biracial (otherwise white on her acting resume) Meghan, mistreated, bullied and abused by those reptilian bastards!!! Charles is walking a tight rope. He wants to keep a viable relationship with Harry and he KNOWS any move to curb Meghan will result in a shitstorm of racist accusations orchestrated by Meghan with Harry acting as her ride or die. That's the last thing he needs as he eventually moves into the top spot, under the watchful eyes of the minority population of Brittan and the Commonwealth. Yea, he'd love for you to formulate a game plan to contain the Harkles. All the while maintaining his and Cam's tenuous popularity in GB.

R155 Leonardo DiCaprio has dated women of the same age since his 20s. He has aged but his age preference for his dates hasn't. That's creepy but it's not the same as sex with underaged girls trafficked to an island.

You may have a thing against rich "humanitarians" and "liberals" but that's not who Andy and Epstein are. Andy has never called himself a humanitarian, royals are generally conservatives not liberals, and Epstein has friends from both sides of the aisle. The prosecutor who gave him a sweetheart deal is in the Trump cabinet. This isn't a liberal issue.

I assumed Andy and Fergie were an item. Maybe he keeps her around for cover and to buy her silence.

I think a big difference is that so much of what people don't like about Meghan is all out there in the open. There are pics of her wearing all of the expensive clothes. The annoying bellycupping was all over the place. The dad shows up with letters and even freaking medical bills. We have her old blog where she lived everything out in the open which didn't later match the narrative she created like when she lied about her dog being too old to fly in the engagement interview. . The people she's ghosted are willing to blab to the press and sell old pics. On and on.

When the shit hit the fan for the other royals it was when there was also things like pics or recordings so there wasn't any deniability. We had pics of the toe sucking. A recording of Fergie's access scam. Same with Sophie. The Charles and Diana phone calls.

Epstein isn't blabbing all of the place. Rich assholes trying to work out deals with Andy aren't talking to the press. So a lot of it is hard to get to stick and build up that narrative.

So just to recap, first Meghan was going to "hit the ground running". Then we she started making missteps it was because she was "new to royal life". Then the excuse was she was hormonal because of pregnancy. Now that it is clear that the "family she never had" despises her, along with the British public, it's "at least she isn't Andy".

Really, that's the bar now, that she isn't as bad as Andrew? What's next, at least she isn't a murderer?

You fans of hers realize that regardless of who or what Andrew is, Meghan's going to keep fucking it up, right? She will never be universally popular or beloved. Mostly she will be an object of ridicule or derision.

(Queen Elizabeth, entering a private Buckingham Palace drawing room as Meghan rifles through a drawer, pocketing jeweled Edwardian pocket knives):

Q: Put those back. They do not need cleaning. Now go tell Mr. Runion I would like a gin and D. brought to my desk, please.

(Meghan curtsies and rushes out of room.)

Q: New assistant housemaids out of uniform, wandering. Like Kings Bloody Cross. No discipline. And when did we start hiring Jamaican midgets?

(Mr. Runion enters to say a footman has placed her drink on her desk.)

Q: Please have Mrs. Mechior see me tomorrow morning. I'm asking her to ask Mr. Flanagan if the new girl would be more suitable a scullery maid. We can't let her go, not with her colour. The Daily Mail would have a field day.

R161 please see R137.

I don't think Meg is that smart or talented, but the missive to British press putting them on premature notice about racism, was brilliant! She effectively gave herself a get out of jail free card. Any and ALL criticism can be filed under "RACISM"!

R163, touched a nerve, did I? Had Meghan not proceeded with such an overblown ego she might have made something of her venture. She has only herself to blame for her current circumstances.

MM = Becky not so Sharp

She didn't give herself a get out of jail free card, she put a target on her back.

R165 How is saying we can criticize both Meghan and Andy sign of you touching a nerve?

Perhaps you want to have a pointless fight. I don't.

Criticize Meghan to your heart's content love.

R165 After 78 threads x 600+ posts if all it took to touch my nerves were the comment at R161 all my nerves would be dead by now.

The thing with MM is, she doesn't get that being a senior member of the BRF is a job. She seems to think they are just interfering in-laws, curtailing her freedom and telling her how to live. How did she do her previous jobs? Did she try to rewrite lines she didn't like?

This is why you don’t marry someone “from the wrong side of the tracks” as my grandmother always said. Pearls of wisdom.

It is impressive how quickly harry fell from one of the most popular royals to his current freefall and constant mocking online.

Lisa Armstrong, head of fashion at the Telegraph, loves Kate's style. She says Meghan is pushy and grabby.

Happy now R165?

The Sussexes are shit parents for posting social media pictures of Archie

[quote] Archie is already making his insta-debut, but I would think twice about 'sharenting'

Okay, okay, my apologies, r173. I thought you were some Meghan fan spamming the thread with Andrew posts.

I have no problem talking about him organically, but have no interest in those who do so in attempt to deflect from Meghan. We've had several attempts to derail or close these threads by lunatic fans. Andrew should probably be in jail, but that doesn't lessen the fact that Meghan has squandered her opportunity and people will point that out.

R158 I don't have a thing against liberals, I have a thing against those who call themselves liberals and pay lip service to liberal causes while acting like hypocrite, as I'd said in my post. I've said nothing about Andy being a humanitarian, again read my post, I said he acts like a celeb not unlike celeb-humanitarians like LC who does shady misogynist shit, though nothing underage (proven but whispered).

Royal adjacent

The Times has a forest full of shade foe Piers Morgan while recommending we watch his documentary

[quote] It’s common to experience queasiness watching Piers Morgan, but this documentary is unnerving in the extreme. After Susanna Reid’s trip to death row, her co-presenter meets Paris Bennett, whose mother is terrified he may soon be paroled. His crime is revealed in a tense interview while, in another room, a former FBI agent and a criminologist analyse Bennett’s behaviour as he talks to Morgan from behind a partition. Though Morgan does not confront it, it’s clear that the interview allows this psychopath to further torment his mum while the presenter gawps through the glass. As do the analysts. As do we.

The first half of sentence 1 wins gold in the shade olympics.

for Piers^^^

I also don't think Meghan, for all her self-promotion of being a politically savvy and socially aware person, is all that intelligent or well-read. If she was politically astute, she'd know that marrying into the BRF is akin to winning the presidential election here in the US. Winning is half the battle, so you do everything you can to engage and keep your supporters while hopefully gaining new ones at the same time. They say winning the election is the easy part, staying in power/ governing is the difficult part. In the analogy with staying in good graces within the BRF, marrying in and partaking in al the perks (if that's your intention in the first place) is the easy part. Navigating through roadblocks both privately and publicly, is the hard part, and unfortunately for Meghan she does not seem to care either way. She wants what she wants, and Harry backs her up on her narcissism. It was that way at the beginning prior to the wedding so I don't know why some people are shocked by her behavior. As the late, great Maya Angelou once said "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

[quote] Andy acts like a celeb download and is no different from other "humanitarians" like Leonardo Di Caprio

R177 The use of other in that sentence implies that Andy and Leo are both part of the group humanitarians. Any is one and Leo is another.

[quote] I have a thing against those who call themselves liberals and pay lip service to liberal causes while acting like hypocrite

Since no one to that point had mentioned either earnest or lip service liberals, your inclusion of them in the discussion was irrelevant and works to draw attention away from the original point. In fact by implying that the behaviour is commonplace your comment works to dismiss the severity of the sexual allegations against Andy and the crimes for which Epstein has been convicted.

R180 was meant for R176

Okay, stop about Andrew. I want he and Sarah to remarry, and you're messing up my plans for the Duchess of York to once again be HRH. Love her. She's my fave!

What acting by the Suitcase Girl. I never watched the show Deal or No Deal so I'm not sure why the contestant is so excited that the Meghan's No# 11 suitcase contained just $5.00. Someone please enlighten me.

The Queen looks comfy.

R180 R158 I get it, you like arguing for the sake of seeming to be superior for whatever reason. Again, this is a gossip thread where misspellings and unintended or misunderstood writings populate. The gist of my post as I'd explained it was clear the second time around if it wasn't the first time. I wasn't rude or oppositional in my reply to you, but you then felt obligated to come back with a semantics argument just so you can claim the top hand. Whatever, maybe you're having a bad day and need to decompensate. You win if it makes you feel better, I don't care to carry on with arguing over how comments should be worded to suit you.

R182 Fergie is sloppy and funny but Andrew is shady AF and the queen rewards him for bad behaviour.

[quote] They are the best of friends. Always have been, always will be,” said one of Sarah’s closest friends. “The idea that they are having some hot romance as far as I know isn’t the case at all. They don’t share a bedroom but they do share two houses and two gorgeous daughters who they adore. They are very close. I’d go so far as to say they love each other, they are just not in love with each other.

Sounds like a beard. Or cover for a pedo.

Wow, this is fascinating. The DLers are coming for Markle like there's no tomorrow. I'm no fan of hers, but she's barely stepped out of the house in months, and you'd think she just burnt the place down. We've hardly seen her, but apparently she's a friggin monster. I can't wait to see what happens once Markle is done with maternity leave and back on the royal duty scene. She's getting savaged for not even showing her face lately. Wait until she's actually back making appearances.

Markle, girl, watch your step. The knives are out.

R183 the way the show worked, a contestant picked a case number that they wanted to have, and over the course of the show the other cases would be opened and the host would offer them a "deal" for them to change their case number. Any time a case was revealed to be low value, the contestant was happy because it increased the chances that their original pick was a high value case. "The game is primarily unchanged from the international format: a contestant chooses one briefcase from a selection of 26. Each briefcase contains a cash value from $0.01 to $1,000,000. Over the course of the game, the contestant eliminates cases from the game, periodically being presented with a "deal" from The Banker to take a cash amount to quit the game. Should the contestant refuse every deal, they are given the chance to trade the first case – chosen before play – for the only other one left in play, and win whatever money was in the chosen case."

Meghan wearing glasses. Does she wear contacts most of the time?

I think the only ones who are shocked are Meghan and Harry. Meghan believes she is more intelligent than everyone else and now is shocked she is not the globetrotting humanitarian she thought she would be at this point. Harry thought he was above reproach and is shocked to see his popularity plummet.

R188 - thank you for the info. It sounds like a silly game.

Oh yes it was a game for people who don't really want to think or answer real questions!

An Asian tour is in the works for Will and Kate.

The Queen handing out a bag of goodies to a polo player.

Charles hanging out on a bench.

Tatler's Best Dressed List. Lottie is missed and she is pissed!

Carefree George. Well, except the last photo.

'Meghan believes she is more intelligent than everyone else and now is shocked she is not the globetrotting humanitarian she thought she would be at this point.'

She spent much of 2018 being a globe trotting humanitarian and will resume this in October with a 3 week trip to South Africa.

Why are posters acting as if she's been muzzled and immobilised by the BRF when she's just on maternity leave?

Thanks r193. I was wondering if they would go on tour this year. Kate usually does a good job of wearing local designers while on tour (excepting the Erdem atrocities). Can't wait to see what she wears this time.

R197. George's tumblr pic.

I hope security is stellar in that Asian trip, some of those areas are not the safest in recent years, especially within the past year. Singapore should be fun though. But why not send Meghan there instead, maybe she'll meet her third husband there, she's a total fit for that Crazy Rich Asian superficial, wealthy crowd depicted in the novel.

How did Meghan and her ill-fitting, occasion-inappropriate wardrobe get into any best-dressed list? Oh wait, PR team, money well-spent I guess. The only best-dressed list she'd legitimately belongs is one where they account for cost of entire year's wardrobe and jewelries.

A casual Charles and Camilla. He likes benches.

R185 You posted a comment that didn't reflect your intention and then you doubled down on it. I responded to your stated words because I couldn't possibly know what you were thinking. People make mistakes on these threads all the time (darn the lack of an edit button). When they do, they post a correction or say "sorry I misunderstood" or "sorry I was wrong." I've done it and so have many other posters here. If your intent is not to be rude, maybe you could try those responses instead of "you like arguing for the sake of seeming to be superior for whatever reason"

I doubt they're going to reward Meghan with international tours after the shitshow in australia

R201 - I'm thinking Tatler had to include Meghan on their list because they didn't want to appear like they were racist. I only liked a couple of her outfits so I don't think it's deserved. I don't think George should be on the list either. And Lady Amelia is a model so she wears designer clothes because she's paid to do so.

This whole 'criticize queen meghan or else you're a racist' is getting so fucking old.

I'm not a William fan, but if he's in glasses and a baseball cap I might hit on him

Yes, the inclusion of Meghan on that list is laughable. So is Stella "my dad was a Beatle" McCartney.

praise* our queen

The fact that they were given a former servant quarters under a Heathrow flight path, were removed from Kensington Palace and put under Buckingham Palace, having been denied their own court and then removed from the Royal Foundation might lead people to think she’s been muzzled R198

How did Camilla, "I-have-never-met-proper-foundation-garments," make a best dressed list?

William has a very good body. Kate must have some good fun in bed.

foundation^^^^^

Are you talking about the inaugural INTERNATIONAL FASHION ICON award R201? Something that preposterous must be the brainchild of the incompetent Sarah Latham.

R198, it's over. Meghan failed. It's all down hill now. They'll get divorced. She'll try to forge a career path but will not succeed. Maybe, just maybe, she'll snag someone wealthy. Archie, given the history of both sides of his family, will either be estranged from her or from Harry (or both at different times). There is no happy ending here.

NM R201 I see it's some other preposterous claptrap. However, my indignation still stands.

R203 .......Yawn. I thought I'd made myself clear, I'm not interested in arguing with you. You really are something else.

To the rest who might be interested in what Kate would wear to reflect appreciation of local fashion. I'm more interested which of these fashion labels Kate might want to wear in Singapore. I vote for Ong Shunmugang, as it is quite wearable yet reflects a tongue in cheek take on Singaporean/ Asian tradition.

Andrew is unquestionably the worse person, but MM is far more fun to gossip about—social climbing crossed with a Cinderella story is irresistible. Thinking about what Andrew may have done isn’t fun, it’s dark and depressing.

Kate should wear an updated cheongsam dress like this one when she's in Singapore.

Kate would look fab in just that color.

R218 I get that.

None of the posts bashing Markle are from DLers, it’s all Skippy and her lot trolling and sock puppeting on every forum they can find. Some of them are also “Cumberbitches” who’ve spent the past few years claiming his boring wife (who’s never even given an interview) is a narc famewhore who forced him to marry her and faked all her pregnancies.

Same old same old.

A lot of Camilla's clothes are stunning, specifically the coat dresses and hats. I bet they are costly. I often imagine them on a well-groomed slim woman.

R223 - I've been posting on DL for so many years I've lost count so not everyone here is Skippy or a Cumberbitch.

^ my post was meant for R222.

Lumping is the BRF threads way.

Dream on R222. Adults are able to form their own opinions.

On second thought, on ignore you go for being a dumbass. Bye

R222 What crap. Plenty of DLers dislike Markle.

[quote] That $50,000/per episode figure is bullshit. I read somewhere that by the end of Mad Men John Hamm was making that much. Mad Men was a much bigger show and he was the lead

Actually, you are WRONG. Go to wikipedia (I'm sure you say they are lying and all the links are lying), the first 6 years of ratings for Suits was higher than Mad Men. And Mad Men had a bigger cast and FUCKING SKY HIGH costs. The costs were so fucking high that they had to alter the season of Breaking Bad and Mad Men had to have one season in two parts. And the creator/director/writer of Mad Men bragged about spending the most amount of money on any song in any tv program. It was some Beatles song that most people never even heard of

The first 6 seasons of Mad Men had 14.22 million viewers

The first 6 seasons of Suits had 17.52 million viewers

The ratings for Suits

Thing with those payments, is that no matter what the amount was actors don't pocket the whole thing.

Mad Men cost AMC about twice as much as it earned in advertising. AMC paid Lionsgate, the studio that produced and owns Mad Men, about $2 million per episode or $26 million a year

So don't even fucking go there trying to compare one show to another. Or anyone's salary to someone else's Because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about or what goes into these putting on these shows, the advertising costs, the salaries or anything

USA barely spent any money in advertising. They also didn't spend a lot on set production and they were able to offset a lot of it by product placement. Mad Men wasn't able to because most of the products on their show were either fictional or out of business. And USA didn't show Suits in repeats very often. It was on like twice a week. Mad Men was on a few nights a week at like 10 pm and 1 am, and was able to attract more viewers than if it were only on twice a week

You may not like this FACT, but Mad Men wasn't a profitable show for AMC. Suits is a profitable show for USA. The ratings have gone down since someone left too, but they are still making money and have one more season coming up. And I know you being you, you will refuse to believe any of this

Mad Men was better than Suits in every way.

[quote] Mad Men won critical acclaim for its writing, acting, directing, visual style, and historical authenticity; it has won many awards, including 16 Emmys and 5 Golden Globes. The show was also the first basic cable series to receive the Emmy Award for Outstanding Drama Series, winning the award each year of its first four seasons (2008–2011).[3] It is widely regarded as one of the greatest television series of all time.

Mad Men may have had the number of viewers when it was first shown....but subsequent to that, it has gone round the world and is one of the most watched shows in history.

Anyone who think shitty, cliched, badly acted Suits is a bigger show than Mad Men in mentally ill.

Which one of you did this? FIX THIS NOW!!!

[quote] When Mad Men came to a close, Jon Hamm was pulling in a cool $275,000 per episode.

List of awards and nominations for Mad Men.

(Short) List of awards and nominations for Suits. Scroll down to the bottom of the Wiki page.

Interestingly they believe that Patrick Adams has a higher net worth than Gabriel Macht. The only figure I believe from there is the one for Rick Hoffman. He was as far down the call sheet as MM, so I would suspect a similar figure from her. Why would she have the same reported net worth as Torres and Rafferty both of whom have significantly more working experience? It makes not sense.

[quote] Mad Men was better than Suits in every way

That's your opinion. The viewers have a different opinion. If they liked Mad Men so much, they would have watched it. And all those awards that Mad Men won and had to spend a fucking fortune campaigning for, earned them . . . . NOT A SINGLE FUCKING CENT. In order to charge more for commercials you have to have good ratings. Mad Men was a "project" for AMC. It didn't earn them money

I know you don't like that, but this is a FACT. It's been PROVEN and it is TRUE. So go and be like a trump supporter and keep refusing to believe the FACTS

Most of the people claiming these things ten to be people who have absolutely no idea how TV works.

Buckingham Palace should get themselves some resident cats, just like 10 Downing Street did.

R222 - Take your meds and lie down. Skippy wouldn't know how to "pass" on DL if her life depended on it. Grow up or head back to Celebitchy. I think I hear notasugar calling you.

Blocked.

[quote] Why would she have the same reported net worth as Torres and Rafferty both of whom have significantly more working experience? It makes not sense.

You make not sense either. Her character was more important to the series. Torres didn't appear as much. So she may have made a similar amount as Meghan (if you were figuring it out in dollar per hour wise), but didn't have to work as much

You people may not like it, but the series was Macht and Adams were the number one (most important cast members). Meghan was the second, although possibly tied with Rick Hoffman for the second most important members. Although by the way he kissed her ass on social media, I think she was higher in the pecking order than he was

And this is acting. It's not like working for a company. Years of prior experience doesn't really matter most of the time. If they did, all the old actors would earn all earn tens of millions a picture and idiots like chris pratt and jennifer lawrence would only be earning $350,000 a picture. Do I have to explain every damn thing to some of you?

The way those "celebrity net worth" sites calculate the worth is pretty stupid. They basically get some figure of how much they supposedly earned per episode and then add it all up and say that's their net worth. As if there are no expenses involved. Even if that figure is true, that doesn't mean Meghan left for the UK in her bank account like her supporters seem to think. A huge chunk went toward taxes in the US and Canada plus agents fees, PR and all of that stuff that gets mentioned. Then of course she had normal living expenses like the rest of us. (Maybe poor Cory covered the rent...) She made a good living in comparison to the average working stiff but then it also looks like she spent a huge chunk of that on PR.

The FACT remains that she never wore $57,000 dresses when she worked on Suits. She never wore $100,000 Dior when she was on Suits. She didn't even pay for own wedding dress. If she was so stinking rich, couldn't she have done at least that much?

The show would have covered her living expenses during filming, but that's a minority of the year. The rest of the time I assume she spent with Cory or leveraging Soho.

Never heard of Suits until her crap PR started bleating the myth that Sparkles was a multi millionaire and didn't need Haz' money because of it. LOsureJanL

Then we saw her panel interview with the other Suits "stars" who could barely stand to sit with her, while she twirled her hair in one of her Sharon Stone Basic Instinct dresses. On a fucking stage. No self awareness, shallow as hell, and ultimately very boring.

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R241, I can't tell if you've watched both Suits and Mad Men. If you have, are you saying that you think Suits was a better quality show? I'm not talking about viewership or cost/earnings, but about the quality of the script, the set, the acting, the actors and the themes.

The central roles in Suits were played by Gabriel Macht and Patrick J. Adams. Meghan was in a supporting role as the love interest.

How did we get here? I've never watched 'Suits' or 'Mad Men', so this part of the discussion is flying over my head (nothing new, really).

I am one of those people who doesn't much like Meghan. But, earlier, I also posted that I was rooting for her when she first appeared on our radar. That is what the young people would call 'organic'. I've read with an open mind, checked my prejudices, and slowly realized that I found her behavior shady and short-sighted. I've had the same experience over many years reading about the British Royals here on DL. I've been corrected, many times, by well-informed Brits who've had to disabuse me of my flights of fancy. Of course, I sometimes have gotten my feelings hurt, but I prefer to face facts: I've learned a great deal about the workings of the British Monarchy because people here have shared their knowledge. Reading about the Sovereign Grant, for example, is a thrill few Americans will experience.

So I thank those of you who have patience with some of us not-so-well-informed members, but I also want to say that I think it's a good thing if a discussion can help change an entrenched opinion. My opinion of Harry and Meghan has changed pretty drastically since their marriage, but my view of the entire BRF has been broadened a great deal over the years. Which is why I still read these threads.

Her 'hit the ground running' idea is what doomed her I think, plus her acting like she both belonged and understood things that predate her. She'd have been better served going slow and steady.

Has Meghan ever even attended the Emmy's? The Golden Globes? Wouldn't a big Hollywood star like Meghan hit all of the big red carpet events?

R114 M-16? Do you mean MI6?

For the sake of R230's happiness, I'll concede that Meghan may have earned $50,000 an episode (for the latter seasons.) But Meghan is no Elizabeth Moss or Christina Hendricks.

Mad Men may have been a more critically acclaimed show that Suits, won more awards and its stars may be more well know but that doesn't mean they were earning money commensurate with that, which is weird. If the agents of the actors on Suits are worth the money they were paid, they would negotiate for deals based on ratings, fan interest in particular storylines and ad revenue.

Meghan may not be as talented an actress as Elizabeth Moss, but talent isn't the only, or even the primary measure, of determining how projects are green lit and actors/directors are paid.

That aside, those net worth numbers are not transparent so who knows how close they are to reality.

Markle is more like the plant moss, no roots and unusually shady.

Mad Men is considered one of the high water marks of television. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that the later seasons of the series were not as critically acclaimed because of the introduction of a character named Meghan. I forget the name of the actress who played her, but she was generally thought of as a poor actress but the adoring showrunner kept her on.

R236, Hope everyone read the Comments on that linked article.

Don't assume anyone opened the link let alone pawed through the comments. Personally I only look at Tiara Talk material.

If it's juicy, just post it.

We're basically doing a version of the 'social media likes' argument right now re: Suits, Meg's salary, ratings, blah blah blah. Like R251 above, I had neither seen nor heard of Suits before MM appeared on the media radar as Harry's gf. But I understand it had quite a following in Europe (at least someone here said it did) and am perfectly happy to accept that, for most actors, a regular gig in an ongoing series is beyond their wildest dreams.

The thing is, I dislike MM. I don't dislike MM because she had a fake pregnancy (I don't think she did) or presented a fake baby to the world (I don't think she did) or made her money prostituting herself to Middle Eastern billionaires (I have seen zero evidence of this) or is making under the table money via merching deals with various brands (again, I have seen zero evidence) or is an evil witch out to destroy the BRF (again, no evidence) or because she hasn't lost her baby weight yet (why would I dislike someone for being a little chubby after a baby?). I dislike MM (and you guys, it IS "dislike" - it's not "hate" because it's pretty impossible to hate someone you don't know well) because she's obviously a vapid, phoney, basic who I also happen to believe isn't a very good or nice person.

You can show me notarized proof that she has more IG likes than anyone ever, and that she won multiple Emmys for her role on Suits, as well as earning billions per episode. I still don't like her. Because the reasons I don't like her have nothing to do with what she earned or how many people like photos of her baby's feet on Instagram.

That said, the comparison between Mad Men and Suits - Megfans, I know you can pick a more appropriate show to compare to Suits. Mad Men is literally one of the best series that has aired on TV in the last decade and probably ever. Don't set up your adored one to fail, you dummies. I know there must be lower rated, lower budget and more shittily acted/directed/written shows out there than Suits. Pick one of those and then do your worth calculations before reporting your results back here, ok?

R258 Meghan on Mad Men was played by Canadian actress Jessica Pare (there's an accent on the 'e' but I can't be bothered Googling how to insert it, soz). On Mad Men she plays a beautiful, ambitious young woman who achieves her dream of fame (OK, I am being slightly unfair to the character here but go with it) via marriage to a wealthy and powerful man.

R254, I stand corrected, M16 Yes.

You've still got it wrong, R263 (I'm not the one you're responding to and didn't mind the typo - in fact I might think of them as M-16 from now on, because it's funny). It's MI6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service

Well, I can correct another poster but apparently can't post links worth a shit. Trying again.

Interesting discussion of Audi and the sponsorship brouhaha, above. I remember when it happened the Audi spokesman/press officer gave a surprisingly brusque "we have nothing to say, ask Harry" response when the DM (think it was the DM) contacted them for comment. They came as close to saying "fuck that guy, this is all his fault" as anyone in that kind of situation would/could without actually saying it.

Has the coverage of that little incident truly been wiped? It would make sense if it had, both parties benefit from that sponsorship and have reason to keep it running smoothly/not let a spat (which i have no problem believing was about MM prompting Haz to ask for more moola) end a sweet deal.

I'm annoyed with Edo. I expect the Cambridges to be boring. The Rose Hanbury drama aside, they have been true to form. In this period while Meg is on maternity leave I fully expected Edo to pull up the slack. Things started so well with an interview from the father of the jilted lover/fiancée. He followed up with a lovely grifting trip to Dubai and a pap stroll where he couldn't keep his eyes off the cameras. I was well and truly primed. And now nothing. No Ascot appearance. No pap strolls. Just nothing.

I have randomly happened upon an entertaining little anecdote from Dawn French about meeting the Queen Mother when she (Dawn) was 4. Apparently the QM had wooden teeth? I am for some reason really curious about this, as Dawn doesn't seem to be joking. I did the math and it would have been about 1961 that the meeting took place (and MAJOR meaningful internet bonus points to anyone who can find the Pathe footage of the meeting, which Dawn says exists). Did the QM have wooden teeth? They are described in the interview as "black." Maybe she got dentures later on? I do know I am consistently fucking horrified by the BRF's dental situations, and I mean now in the 2010s, not 50 years ago when it must have been so much worse.

She also talks about thinking the Queen Mother was a witch (because of the teeth) and clinging to her father's leg for the rest of the visit. And again, that it's all in the Pathe footage. I might have a mosey around the interwebs to see if I can find it myself.

(story starts at 22:52 in the linked video and is about 4 mins long)

All the Meghan bashing comments come from just a handful of posters, and when you check their posting histories none of them have posts in any other threads.

It’s just Tinhat round 485,375.

R260, The comments from R236 linked article shade everyone. Here's Part 1:

Should have kept the Corgis.

Get a Cat.

Rats are attracted to old rubbish and there's no greater pile than the Royal family.

Not a very nice way to describe the new Duchess of Sussex but we all understand.

But not horrified by the slaughter of Englishmen at the hands of death cultists that she's let infest the entire country? Amazing.

Purge the liberal rats!!! Four or two legged, they are all the same...

Her Majesty and Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti should start a club.

I'm starting to think the true Skippy-type nuts are actually the stans. It makes it so much easier to defend their fair maiden when they can lump everyone who fails to see MM's inherent superiority into the "she and her plastic baby are being held in the tunnels underneath Windsor and being interrogated by M-16 and THE QUEEN RIGHT NOW!!!!!" box.

You guys, just block. If you don't like people saying mean things about MM, just block us. I do the same with mad Stans. It makes the experience here much more pleasant for all.

"Rats are attracted to old rubbish and there's no greater pile than the Royal family."

BUUURRRRRNNNNNNNNN!

Is that the narrative they are going with? Everyone really, really loves Meghan except for a handful of Skippy followers who infiltrate every forum on the internet and flood the comments?

R236, Continued Comments Part 2, and yes everyone gets shaded:

Just Somalians reptiles looking for something to steal. Its best to spray poison around the house, and deport the rats you catch.

I've just been reading about the Roman Plague in the 540s and the Black Death of the late 1340s. Both needed a serious increase in rat population. They don't do so well in hot and dry conditions, but they thrive in cool and damp weather.

Perhaps they could be rehoused in a nice council flat in Hull!

Who cares as long as they are of 'blue blood'. About time they had a taste of what our homeless have to put up with sleeping on our streets.

Gross, if I saw it or them, I would move out!!

And I thought that the Trump family had moved out.

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[quote] I can't tell if you've watched both Suits and Mad Men. If you have, are you saying that you think Suits was a better quality show? I'm not talking about viewership or cost/earnings, but about the quality of the script, the set, the acting, the actors and the themes. The central roles in Suits were played by Gabriel Macht and Patrick J. Adams. Meghan was in a supporting role as the love interest.

I watched both. Suits was okay. Nothing great. The only reason I ever watched it because there wasn't anything else on at that time slot. It was "a better than nothing show". I LOVED Mad Men. But we were talking about money and salaries. And the fact is Mad Men didn't make any money for the network and had a creator/show runner who proudly pissed away money like it was water and that didn't leave much money for salaries. And yes I am fully aware that Macht and Adams were the leads. That's why I said they were the leads and that Markle and Hoffman were the 3rd and 4th most important actors on the show. That was the pecking order on that show. I can't believe it's still on. And with Katherine Heigl no less. It had been on life support the last year Adams and Markle were on it. It would have been a perfect time to end the show when they left

It is MI6, not 16. The letter "i" for intelligence. Military Intelligence, section 6

Em Eye Six

The very attractive, intelligent and humble poster R264 already said that, R277.

[quote] Is that the narrative they are going with? Everyone really, really loves Meghan except for a handful of Skippy followers who infiltrate every forum on the internet and flood the comments?

No. Stop being an idiot. She's not that great, but she's not evil. Some of you fucking morons are pitiful. You believe each and every rumor you read in the British tabloids. For fuck's sake. They make up half the shit they print. I can't believe you fools believe the daily fail and the daily express as if they were the truth carved in stone. Let's not forget all the bullshit they wrote when she was pregnant (I won't mention most of you fucktards SWORE she was using a surrogate and actually just ate a lot of junk to gain some weight).

1. She was having the baby at the same hospital as Kate and Diana did

2. Then she was having her baby at Frimley Park Hospital

3. Doria was moving to England

4. Then she was having the baby at the same hospital as Kate and Diana and the whole staff was told they couldn't go on vacation because she was due to have her baby

5. Then she was having her baby at Frimley Park Hospital (AGAIN)

6. Then she was having her baby at home

7. And of course they were going to raise their baby as gender neutral

8. Doria was moving to England

9. As all of the above was proven to be bullshit, she had her baby at another hospital and they are raising their baby boy as a boy

And you fucktards debated all these bullshit lies for about 20 different threads (600 replies each). You are all a bunch of fucking nutters. I've been a Datalounger since 1998. This place has really gone downhill

Em Sixteen

R280 Seems to miss the point that this is a GOSSIP forum. It's what we do here, we gossip. So UK rags are supposed to be off limits as sources for fodder on a gossip forum because you don't approve of their accuracy record? We can't have rumors and speculation on DL! GTFO.

annotated bibliography for all future comments

So I'm looking for the footage of the Queen Mother and her black, wooden teeth and the Pathe website has quite the archive.

For the Princess Anne fans, random footage of her from 1950-1960 (some that looks to be from Ascot, also some of her as a bridesmaid to... Princess Margaret?). Second half has some close-ups of her face. She was strikingly pretty, wow!

Footage of Princess Margaret and entourage arriving at Buckingham palace after her wedding (interior footage of BuckPal, which I don't believe I have ever seen - epic staircase included, daaaaamn).

At about 3:30 (close to the end) there's some insane footage of the crowds outside rushing the gates, and only being partially held back by coppers. I guess this was...normal? Really crazy to see from this 2019 perspective, though. Also, those crowds are for the monarch's sibling. I guess royalty was a bigger thing then? Or security is just way better now.

ww2 was still recent memory + pre-celeb tabloid culture + monarchy is literally in the brits blood

Ascot fashions, 1960. This is GREAT. Mrs. Eileen Peters with her "white nylon cone hat" gets a shoutout early on. Seriously, watch this one.

[quote] Seems to miss the point that this is a GOSSIP forum. We can't have rumors and speculation on DL! GTFO.

You stupid cunt, I've been here more than 20 years. You don't have to tell me anything. I'm not missing any point. You are the one who seems to not be aware that we call out liars and trolls on this site. And you are fucking pathetic. Jesus Christ, get a life. You seem to be some pititful frau (i.e, stupid). You get out. No one wants you stupid racist bitches here.

Wow, someone is really triggered. I don't think R288 is going to take the divorce very well.

"A princess of unique personality; gay, intelligent, compellingly human, was marrying the man of her own choice."

Princess Margaret's wedding. I'll stop posting these now unless I find something really fabulous. What tiara is she wearing during the ceremony? It is huge and sparkly and insane.

Also the still preview shots on these videos make them look shittier quality than they are.

Margaret's wedding tiara.

Thank you, R292. The Poltimore Tiara. Even in the black and white footage of the wedding it sparkles more than I have seen any recent tiaras sparkling in full colour HD. I love it. Made me feel kind of sad watching it, though, knowing how things went for the marriage and, ultimately, for Margaret's life.

R106 the Queen had to give her consent to the marriage. The consent wasn’t formalised until two months before the wedding. Had the pair of them married in secret or without obtaining permission, the marriage could have been rendered null and void. Harry, as sixth in line needed the Queen’s consent.

From Twitter, so many shady possibilities

R295 Will you stop hawking your fucking awful conspiracy theory blog around the place.

I know I'm late but I'm amazed people compare Suits and Mad Men. It's like comparing Haute Couture and Target clothing.

Haute Couture is not profitable but bring a lot of publicity. Then Chanel and Gucci can sell sunglasses, belts and purses to middle-class fraus, which is very profitable.

Target fashion is very profitable and sucks. Suits is a cheap show sold all over the world to cheap channels needing afternoon content for stay at home fraus.

[quote] Suits is a cheap show sold all over the world to cheap channels needing afternoon content for stay at home fraus.

Suits is consistently one of the most streamed shows on Kodi, which skews non-US and young. You guys know so little about even the things you hate, it's kind of pathetic.

If it’s not public projection and HazBean really are that competitive (posts with more likes, Audi give us more money so we can show we’re the best fundraisers), I’m sad for Archie.

The person who’s that concerned over internet likes is ten times worse when it comes to “Your child walked at 11 months, oh mine was at ten.” Or “You’re having a little clown and cake for their birthday, that’s so sweet. We wanted to do it small but Amal knew this great party planner and with Serena flying in with Olympia, we decided to go all out and rent an amusement park.”

If the in-law relationship is fractured in the slightest, creating competition with the kids will make it shatter completely. I’ve seen plenty of in-laws who were very friendly, socializing regularly become “only at Christmas” when one of them (usually one of the mothers) becomes an overbearing competitor with the kids.

For all their flaws and crazy, the BRF seem to have genuine friendships between the cousins of each generation. Archie will miss out on so much fun stuff with George, Savannah, and the like if all he ever appears for are the really big events like TTC because casual picnics or play dates are made torturous by his parents.

No, don't stop, R295.

Whenever a poster objects to a link (like yours), it makes me all the more curious.

This is a gossip board. Everyone is free to read or ignore any links posted.

Control freaks will be unhappy. Attempted bullying should be ignored.

R298 Lol, Kodi?

The bold and the beautiful is also one of the most successfull tv show and no one pretends it's quality tv or not cheap as hell.

R300 How fucking disgusting are you? Ever been bullied? I seriously doubt it otherwise you wouldn’t be misusing the term to try and sound superior.

I object to conspiracy theory shit turning up on a thread that USED TO BE relatively sensible. I can’t stop it because this is not my forum. But I can object, dickhead.

If such things appeal to your low IQ & low standards, have at it. Go read about plastic babies and surrogates - you obviously need something suitably shallow for your small, easily satisfied mind - but don’t presume to accuse others of morally questionable behaviour to try and make some sort of point, you stupid fucking cunt.

R295, Love the shade in that Blog and the comments. Please ignore the obviously paid shill who keeps dissing anyone with an opposing view, including those who see a kettle about to overflow. Now the real question would be if MM will accept a trip to Africa and its length as opposed to retreating back to CA likely without Archie.

I didn't know Mad Men was so acclaimed or highly regarded. I tried to watch it when it came out, but gave up because of all the smoking. I grew up in a household where people smoked indoors and grew to hate it, and I guess Mad Men triggered a bad memory. I watched about 1 minutes of Suits and turned it off in disgust because of the stupid premise - a legal genius who didn't pass the bar exam. Ok..whatever.

Meghan Markle in Toronto in 2015

R305 Basic Becky strikes again.

'Please ignore the obviously paid shill who keeps dissing anyone with an opposing view, including those who see a kettle about to overflow. Now the real question would be if MM will accept a trip to Africa and its length as opposed to retreating back to CA likely without Archie.'

Please ignore the hilariously triggered Welp Troll, whose paranoia leads her to accuse all posters with a different perspective of being either 'paid shills' or 'Russian bots'.

There isn't going to be a divorce. Their Africa trip is a three week royal tour, the same as the Cambs to Asia. After that, they'll return to the UK. They'll most likely visit the US, but they'll come back to England afterwards.

You repeating robotically over and over that they will divorce/be exiled won't will this into being. You spent six years trying to convince everyone that Larry was real, and how did that one work out?

Silicon babies, moonbumps, beards and paid shills are ambrosia to you. You genuinely believe in all the most absurd conspiracies.

'Including those who see a kettle about to overflow.'

What kind of illiterate analogy is this? Kettles don't overflow, idiot. They automatically switch off when at boiling point and even if they didn't, they wouldn't overflow because they have lids.

This stupid metaphor came from the same mind that gave us the woeful 'the Cambridge kids will be sucking the air out of every room'.

That video at R305, lol, where does she get her meat from again?

Wait.....meat?

Meat?

R307, FYI more than one person wrote those quotes. Furthermore I've only been posting on these Royal threads for only a year, taking breaks for weeks at a time. Please have the intelligence to simply block those posters with whom you disagree.

Also I've never even read the Cummberpatch threads nor the ones about any boy bands nor do I ever post about the BRF on any other online site.

Did anyone watch the Vladimir Putin spoof show last night? With the Markle kit? I KNEW that the Twitterati were complaining about nothing. Just proves, you cannot complain about the unseen, in a lot of cases.

NOW, if we still had Spitting Image, she would have been roasted.

Anne is Prince Philip's favorite son.

Markle skit, not kit.

R308, I didn't write that bit about the Cam kids.

Kettles do overflow even with their lids on. Apparently you don't know how to cook very well or don't realize that a too full kettle on a high temperature can easily overflow.

My kettles (pots) overflow all the time and I hate it. I need tighter fitting lids.

R305, MM doesn't really have anything interesting to say in that video. Worse she sounds like she's showing off but it's ironic as she's not known for her culinary skills.

Prince Harry's collaboration with Oprah on a mental health series has been cited as the ultimate example of the Sussexes going rogue. Not so.

Prince Charles has collaborated with US entities on several documentaries including the 2012 documentary Harmony: a New Way of Looking at Our World. The piece focused on three decades of Charles' work to combat climate change. The film was based on the book of the same name, which Charles co-authored, about how man has become "dangerously disconnected from nature".

MM has had her engagement ring reset. Of course girlfriend needed more bling so she swapped the plain yellow gold band for a diamond band. And thus she swapped an old money heirloom looking ring for a Pinterest frau style ring. She really has no class, no style, no sense of what is u and non u.

Poor Harry, what a slap in the face. 18 months after the engagement the ring is redesigned. I would be really pissed.g

She's stockpiling her diamonds before the split. She won't FedEx this lot back.

R317 I think the problem is Oprah herself and her guru style.

And those are paying documentaries, it's business not mental health promotion.

R320, How ironic that it's still about money, even though it is the BRF.

R318, Didn't she buy her own Eternity Ring to match the ring of her BFF's husband?

It's an ugly ring with both new and old bands. Can't believe the putative value of it.

Harry must have come to the realization that he's a hereditary dead-end, at least as far as royalty goes. William's line will continue on eternal, while Harry's will move ever farther from the throne until one day his descendents will be in pubs saying "I'm actually distantly related to the Windsors." That must be heartbreaking in a way. It's like being separated from a family and tradition that has existed and may exist for a thousand years. Will's line will still have Buckingham and KP and Harry's could wind up anywhere.

I think that's why he married Markle. He was trying to build his own celebrity legacy. But I think what initially drew him to her (her ambition) is now what embarrasses him, because instead of being rock stars they look foolish and desperate and resentful.

Originally I had such high hopes for MM. She was given such a tremendous opportunity. Would she be self-destructive? Angry at men or at the elite/BRF? Severely damaged as a child? Surprised the Clooney's have been quiet if she was said to have stayed with them post giving birth.

"And thus she swapped an old money heirloom looking ring for a Pinterest frau style ring."

MM doesn't do "old." Heirlooms are ugly and sad and need to be updated. Historic churches are stinky and musty and must be freshened. Aged dogs must be magically done away with. She doesn't have a shred of style or self-awareness. Vintage, retro, and history aren't words you'll ever hear her use.

And if I were Harry I'd interpret this latest shenanigan of hers (updating the ring) as: "This isn't good enough for me, but of course you can't be expected to know or understand that, because you think "heirlooms" are so precious."

She's a psycho cunt.

R323, Too bad Anne couldn't have led him to develop his own passions so that he could put a positive mark on the BRF. Or copy what his mother did by spending every day not partying but visiting mental hospitals and chatting with the patients when possible to bring media attention to their plight.

Amen r325!

R325, One case where misogyny is clearly justified. She's an extremely selfish and heartless one as well. Makes me believe the past stories of being a yacht girl are more or less true. I hate women that use men to this extreme.

I don't really get it.

True Harry will never be King, but he has also a freedom William simply doesn't have.

He should embrace the fact he won't have to work until 90 years old, host people like Trump and cut ribon for ederly centers opening.

Princess Anne waving to the crowds in Innsbruck during a State Visit to Austria on 8th May 1969.

If an engagement ring or wedding ring is redesigned, it's usually done for the 10th anniversary, when it can be blamed on age, taste, lifestyle, changing weight, changing fashion and more money to spend. And as a "reward" for 10 years.

Redesigning an engagement ring less than two years after it was offered is just so tasteless and tacky and a way of snubbing the husband who carefully designed or chose it. I guess that Harry chose a plain gold band for the setting to make it look like his mother Diana's iconic engagement ring. That thoughtful part of the design is completely gone now.

I would love to hear what the BRF says about her behind closed doors.

Pcss Anne and Zara Tindall do not seem to be heartbroken about being 'hereditary dead ends.' If I had a choice of being Zara or even William, I know whom I'd rather be.

Yes, it looks very tacly to redesigned the ring Harry "designed" himself.

"Oh, darling that's so nice but let me add some diams" *pet him on the head and goes spend some more money*.

Re Markle's humanitarian work, why does she choose to focus on India and Africa when there are a fuckton of severely disadvantaged Native girls and women in North America?

R334 Because Native Americans are not as glamorous.

You can't take colorful pictures with poor but oh-so-grateful brown kids.

In the last slide, number 5, there's a group of people booing Markle during the carriage ride for TTC.

Now, some smart arse will probably say Kate and Camilla were in the same carriage etc etc....but I think it's pretty obvious who the boos were for, seeing as the previous carriage got cheers.

The link doesn't seem to be working, R336.

[quote]If an engagement ring or wedding ring is redesigned, it's usually done for the 10th anniversary

One year is equal to ten in MM years. The ghostees fail to realize that their relationships just petered out naturally after 50-60 years and it's also how Bogart (who was simultaneously racking up dog years) became waaaay too decrepit to fly.

Oh what a pity R337, it must be a closed account I am following? I'kll see if it is reposted by an open one.

Saying that, it can't be reposted then, hmm, I'll look out for it anyway.

The Queen Mother's Daimler limousine is up for sale.

That car has great bones, R341. Beautiful, swoopy lines. Wouldn't have guessed it was made in 1947; it looks more like a 30's Bonnie and Clyde car.

I saw the BBC cartoon show they definitely could have and should have gone much harder on MM the satire was lightweight. Also, I think it's satirical, not racist that they darkened her skin as everybody knows she's a light skin half black woman who deliberately leans white. They just highlighted the black side of her heritage for a laugh.

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Meghan's new band on her engagement ring is probably an attempt to add some of the flash she knows she will never get from the Queen's collection, as she watches Kate get the family orders, the loan of the Queen's Art Deco diamond bracelet that was a wedding present from Philip, the Queen Mother's huge sapphire fringe earrings, and the loan of one or two major tiaras, diamond necklaces, and sports Diana's enormous 8-carat sapphire surrounded by two carats in high quallity diamonds in every photo.

Meghan vs. Kate. Like a Volkswagen Beetle challenging a Ferrari to a race.

Danja Zone shows a clip of the R343 et al referenced British TV show.

Amusingly she also shows the Queen's revenge re MM & Harry's Africa trip. A must watch IMHO.

R334 - America? About 1 in 4 children in Britain are living in poverty, and outside the rich southeast, some areas in Yorkshire and points farther north look like photos from the worst of Britain's slums between the late 1800s to the 1940s. But then, Britain was only of interest to Meghan insofar as it provided a hot man with money, a recognisable name, a choice flat in London, and a cute accent.

That's why she failed so far, so fast. Having succeeded in obtaining the only kind of Briton she was interested in, she was unable to hide that Britain itself was of little to no interest to her, her sights were set beyond the shores of this blessed plot, except for a few window dressing patronages to make it look like she was earning her keep to the British taxpayers as she paraded around in $8,000 outfits from foreign design houses.

Oh, about that choice flat in London?

Sorry, pet, you'll have to make do with a couple of rooms in crumbling BP for the overnights, and a nice if unexceptional home in the Windsor burbs.

I was watching a re-run of Friends, and Fergie had a cameo (the one where the gang went to London for Ross's wedding). She looked lovely. Just goes to show what tv stylists and makeup artists can do for you.

Kate is on the cover of Hello mag.

American performers marrying in don't do all that well in the UK. The British stubbornly stick to their own ways, we aren't overly warm, and the rain and greyness make it hard. I'm thinking of Madonna, Goop, among others.

R348, I'm definitely not a Socialist but I'd be up in arms if I was a British citizen and became aware of MM over-spending and ungratefulness. By the way what per cent of the 25% of children living in poverty are immigrants or non-White? Would it be a case of parents having large families per their cultural tradition? Still tragic for kids to be hungry and/or fearful re their living situation.

There's a lot of social issues and growing tension rn in the uk, and seeing an american waltzing around being a fake humanitarian while spending tax money is always going to leave a sour taste.

R350, A prize for Kate to be featured on the cover of "Hello" in that beautiful dress & hat. I love depictions of flowers and I'd buy a smaller version of her hat.

The Queen's cousin the Duke of Kent was in Serbia last week.

The wind, a scarf, the Queen, a horror. LOL.

Fergie in Friends is at 5:00 in this clip of guest stars on Friends.

Lmao, that woman's face at R356! The horror, indeed!

Three generations.

It is always good of Meghan to hold her hand up long enough for the photographers to get a good shot of the ring for us.

Photos of Eugenie's Ascot outfits over the years. It's a mixed bag of good, bad and ugly.

R351 - We aren't overly effusive, that doesn't mean we aren't warm and we bow to no one in dry irony and sense of humour. And it doesn't rain every day in Britain, which has lovely summers. The English countryside - that is, if they let it survive rather than building over it - is gorgeous. There's a reason all those celebrities buy estates in the Cotswolds and the Lake District.

I'm a bit tired of the huge stereotypes of Britain and British people. Certainly we are culturally, broadly different from Americans and different from the French. But what's different about us shouldn't be reduced to not being "warm" and the grey winters - which, by the way, we have in common with Paris, which also has grey damp winters. Ditto Berlin.

The Queen and Anne.

Now it's Beatrice's turn. Here are her Ascot outfits. Again, a mixed bag.

R352 - It's mmore a function of demographics: the optics of places like London, Birmingham, Manchester, and Luton aside, the country is still nearly 80% white. Geographiy is more the point than colour or background - at least in England. The post-industrial northeast as opposed to the wealthy southeast. England, particularly, may as well be two countries, economically. It's not unlike the problem of New York v. Mississippi. England is a very, very regionally divided place, always has been, and that hasn't changed in modern times.

^* damn, I meant to write "It's more a function of geography than demographics" in that first sentence.

R365

Block anyone who shills for other websites. Bye

People who bring up race as a primary factor for anything in the UK out themselves. This country is far more geo and class ruled, this whole race thing is a recent import.

In the interest of promoting anything that contains much needed light entertainment I will definitely read or listen to anything linked that's relevant to this thread. Let R368 block posts he dislikes.

I'm certainly not being paid to shill for Danja Zone. Just think her depiction of QE II sending MM in her Louis Vuitton to walk near the land mines of Africa, carrying a burka, following her goal to be Diana 2.0 is such good shade.

R369 Conspiracy theorists are never "needed" as "light entertainment" or anything else. You keep posting Danja Zones "royals are reptilians" nutso videos and other tumblr crazies.

Post whatever you want, but don't be surprised if posters call you out for it and tell you to Fuck All The Way Off.

R369, Danja genuinely thinks Harry shape shifts into a lizard and posted about this very recently. I can only assume you are Danja or that you have learning difficulties which make you frighteningly gullible?

We have children arguing with each other on EVERY FUCKING THREAD! I repeat EVERY FUCKING THREAD!

Just cut it out.

The UK has shit weather at all times of year. There are no "good summers." There may be a few nice days but the summers run cold and wet. Average rainfall days for the UK as a whole is 156. Glasgow has 167. That's a lot of rainy days. And we're not counting overcast but not rainy. No wonder people drink so much. It's gloomy as fuck.

R372 Needs a safe space.

Some see the banishment to Africa for Harry and Meghan as a punishment, but I think the BRF's hands are tied. It is only a matter of time before Meghan is noticeably booed in public. It already happened last year at the Review and that was when they were still in their honeymoon period. It happened during last year's TTC (this wasn't publicized but you can find clips on YouTube). I think that is why they had Harry and Meghan ride with Kate and Camilla facing backwards - no one was going to boo Meghan lest it be mistaken as intended for the others in the carriage.

As mush as the BRF appear to loathe Meghan, it makes all parties involved look bad when a member of the BRF receives such a poor public reception. Also, it would give Meghan ammunition to play the victim and lead to the inevitable media circus and attendant commentary. They probably desperately want her to lay low or only show up in places where she is likely to be more welcomed until the inevitable divorce occurs.

She swapped out a gold band for diamanté! Women pick diamanté because they want to add sparkle to a less-than-impressive or lower-quality central stone (the same way even tackier people pick those halo style rings). She’s a fatal-to-taste combination of insecure and clueless, my god.

p.s. The posters above who hadn’t watched Mad Men—give it a watch, you’re in for a treat. It’s beautifully made, every detail is perfect, and meaningful as well.

R374 - no, you're wrong. I don't need a safe space but this thread does need a shot of maturity. It's predictable and tedious to view people fighting with each other on EVERY FUCKING THREAD.

I think the redesigned pavé setting on the engagement band looks good with the eternity band and the wedding ring. The complete arrangement looks more balanced than if she had two plain gold bands followed by pavé eternity band. That said, I don't think she should have done it. The engagement ring is so new that it's crass to redesign it so soon.

I am not sure how true this is but I heard 2 things about Doris. They went shopping for a townhouse near KP for her. Plus her bank account has gone from 30,000 us to 9 million this year. If it’s true where has the money come from

So I’ll chime in about Suits—it’s a good show that is a cut about the network drivel like NCIS and Chicago Fire/whatever. It was very well reviewed when it debuted. Mad Men is one of the best TV shows ever, so the comparison is unfair, but Suits is not a “frau” show at all like a soap opera. It definitely has seen better days, but the first three years were excellent TV. It still makes money for the network, so I guess that’s why it’s still on, but the loss of Gina Torres, Patrick Adams, and yes, Meghan, eroded the story lines. But in its heyday, it was know. For presenting compelling, intelligent story lines. Do yourselves a favor and check out the reviews when it first aired. Here’s a very good summation of the show done at season 3.

Charles and Camilla are in sync.

Does anyone have a investigating reporter on speed dial. I have a couple of receipts they can look into. Eg. Their new foundation is registered at GoDaddy so is Megan’s Mirror

R377 You can ignore the fights by blocking or simply skipping over them. The posters are adults. If they want to fight who are you to be policing the thread? You can get off if you find it tedious or upsetting. No one is imposing this on you. DL threads get snippy. Pointless bitchery is in the mission statement dear.

R382, I've seen that. The links are on Tumblr.

[343] her stans are shouting racism about this. I wish they would grow up and understand satire

Her stans shout racism about everything.

R373, there was a massive heatwave this time last year in the UK. That being said, it's currently rainy and foggy today and it's mid-June.

I don’t get why people like to attribute shady behavior to Doria when she seems like one of the few people in this story with her head on straight and who isn’t grasping for fame or money. Imagine if your most practical, down-to-earth relative got pulled into a circus like this...oy vey

R382, Linked is Meghan's Mirror.

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Rainy and foggy and I'm sofa-bound with the flu, with not even the strength to make an eggy and soldiers!

FFS Summer, where are you?

Go Daddy is one of the biggest domain registrars in the world. They have Superbowl ads. That's like saying Meghan's Mirror and the new royal foundation both have instagram pages so they must be linked.

If it's true, she went behind the palace's backs, back in April, to register her new foundation by using GoDaddy, which she also used for The Tig.

R588, Love the way Doria presented herself at MM wedding, so classy. However she does have a criminal record for financial fraud. That's why she spent 10 years in prison rather than being able to raise her daughter. So it's concerning how and why she's suddenly a multimillionaire with a huge bank account on a yoga teacher's salary.

regarding Britain’s poverty divide - Didn’t Kate say she was going to launch something this fall or winter that would aim to bring awareness and funding to “Broken Britain”?

I think Doria has done pap walks for money (based on the pap agency that was being used in the beginning, it was the same one Meg used for her staged pap walks) but she's so subtle about it and she hasn't gotten greedy like the rest of Meghan's family.

I don't like Meghan at all but if Doria actually served time, that would be public record, wouldn't it? It is kinda sad that Tom raised Meghan while Doria wasn't around (for whatever reason) and now Tom has been ghosted while Doria gets all of the admiration. Yeah, Tom messed up with his clumsy pap scheme, but Doria also screwed up by not being around for Meghan during her formative years. So why does Doria get forgiven and Tom doesn't?

Sometimes I hope R394, the Danja Zone promoter, is just trolling. If she's not, then I have to consider that she's a citizen of some place where she may be allowed to vote in elections. Frankly that's a terrifying thought.

Check out MM reversible sushi bikini by Forever 21 on Meghan's Mirror which I linked at R389.

Yes, if Doria was in prison it would be public record. Her bankruptcy and divorce are both public record and there’s nothing else, let alone a sentence of ten years (lol!). What kind of trashy corners of the internet are some of you frequenting...

Whatever Doria has would have to have been declared as income, and with a change that quickly and that drastic it'll be obvious if it was sketch.

Doria's got a number of variations to her name, though, sleuthing is pointless without some sort of starting point.

I wonder how many of the people on either extreme (Sjippies!, Stans!, Sugars!, Danja!) of the Markle divide such as R394 would fare on basic citizenship tests from their respective countries. I suspect that even after multiple attempts they would not be able to pass and obtain voting rights.

R399 It's Tumblr. It's always Tumblr. (with supporting help from closed FB groups, twitter pages and a few blogs)

I wouldn’t be surprised if R394 was the one making those shoddy videos. I can’t imagine reptile lady has much of a following.

R401, Since I have a BA from UCLA in political science I'm sure that I would do very well on a US Citizenship test. Any other very silly assumptions?

Just looked at the sushi bikini, but I'd never get my bollocks into it. Thanks, though.

R394 lives in a landlocked swing state. It's possible she's making the videos but it's unlikely that her accent would match Ashli/Danja unless she has moved from the south.

Please tell me how to make the links to a post green. Also I wish we could like or not like a post

R408 Post the link in the website link area. WW "likes" a post. There is no dislike. FF is a dangerous button. Don't use it.

You can like a post R408 by using WW. Save your dislikes though, for something absolutely scandalous (FF) as you only get two a day ;-)

OH MY EYES NEED BLEACHING.

She looks even more like Stephanie Davis off horrible Hollyoaks there

R404, Sorry to disappoint you but I definitely don't have the skills to make a video. I've never even taken photos nor do I know how to use that feature of my smart phone. All pictures on my FB were taken by someone else and then posted later on by a good friend.

Now let's get back to the gossip as this thread isn't about me. Thank you.

[R341]. thanks for the link. That car was built for Lord Docker which reminded me of Lady Docker,the ultimate social climber who upset the Monaco royal family.

meant to add a link at 414

If R405 is to be believed, Northwestern isn't the only school with slipping standards. That BA in political science from UCLA doesn't seem worth the paper on which it is printed.

R397 and R416 were my bitchy comments for this thread. I promise to play nice from now on.

Whatever Doria's past, she is the only one who has conducted herself in a dignified manner from Meghan's side. One rumor is that she spent much of Meghan's childhood involved in that cultish-church. But that doesn't match what Meghan is trying to sell, so it doesn't get publicized. I think she and Meghan don't have much of a real relationship, just a transactional one from Meghan's point of view. I think Doria knows who her daughter is.

R407, I've never even visited the South. I live in a state that's now solid Blue especially with the 2016 and 2014 elections. I am still a registered Democrat. LOVE my local Hispanic woman representative, and will be getting $250 this week to give my opinions on the election.

Once again we need more BRF gossip. Ann looked very pretty with her curly hair when she was a little girl. Surprising that she seems to look so very different now. Still strongly believe she's an excellent fit for her very Royal duties.

This right here is the kind of ridiculous PR put out by Meghan that makes people despise her. What does she hope this will accomplish? I think she wants people to envy her, but most people see right through this sort of thing.

R411, Cannot believe that really is MM.

R394 and R401, how many variations of Doria Ragland could there be? And don’t you think the tabloids would have found out about any prison? It’s in the public record! It would certainly be something all of them would print with glee. I love gossip about the BRF as much as anyone, as I think they are all useless tools, including MM, but what you’re doing is insidious under the guise of gossip. You’re perpetuating pretty bad lies, just because you hate MM so much. It’s not gossip, it’s some deep-rooted anger and hate. Otherwise, why perpetuate an awful piece of “gossip” that no one can verify, especially since it would easily be in the public record. Just own your hate, stop presenting it as gossip.

R419 A few elections cycles don't make a state "solidly blue." The changing demographics of that state suggest that your state will keep trending blue, but it's still a swing state.

Republican or Democrat your analysis of "facts" makes you a troubling voter.

The ring had Welsh gold in it.

Did that annoying little makeup artist friend do Meghan's makeup for Eugenie's wedding? Her makeup and skin look horrible in that R420 pic.

Piers Morgan would cream himself if he could publish evidence that Meghan's mother was in prison for 10 years for fraud. Good grief the papers would sell themselves.

Headline: Deceitful Doria: how Meghan's mother conned pensioners/her employers/family etc

Plus he would do a live morning interview and a documentary. He would milk that for weeks if he could.

Aw, jeez man. Despite being corrected that the British intelligence service does not share its name with an American military rifle and was provided with the agency's correct name, the UCLA poli sci grad still called it M16. And s/he can't take pictures on a smart phone? Ov vey! UCLA didn't teach the critical thinking skills to press the icon that looks like a camera and take it from there?

R424, and that is why they have never given her any jewelry of significance. I don't even think she got Diana's aquamarine ring, it was just loaned. She would alter anything "old" she received because she would think she could design it better.

R423, If you knew the ever increasing power of NV's unions, particularly in Vegas, you'd understand why I say that NV is now solidly Blue. However you'd need to start a new thread to discuss this fact.

I'll apologize if I'm wrong about Doria's prison term as I read it on numerous different online sites by a very wide variety of authors. I've found MSM as well as the paps are very restrictive re what they are allowed to print. I know for a fact many write exactly what PR Teams direct them to say, or rather pay them to post on their columns.

Either way it's very surprising that Doria was not in MM's life when she was a child for a period of at least 10 years. What job or schooling would take her away for that length of time without even regular weekend visits?

I certainly do not hate MM. I was originally really rooting for her because I know what it's like to come from a dysfunctional family with relatives who have no sense of basic diplomacy and will never follow simple requests of discretion. I am extremely disappointed that she has not done her work as an actress to try and conform to the expectations of the BRF given all of the help she was offered. I don't know why she appears to be so obstinate.

Harry can give whatever jewelry he inherited from Diana to Meghan, it's his to give.

R429 You should rethink the trust you place in “non-MSM” sources. Major papers are stringent about sourcing for good reason, and not because of PR. Repeating false rumors like this (which, perhaps coincidentally, tie into racial stereotypes) makes you sound like a credulous and unsavory person.

R429, Doria was in something akin to a cult. In addition, she had Meghan young and may have decided she didn't like being a mother seeing as she didn't have any more children. But that history doesn't fit with Meghan's narrative, one that she had to craft because she jettisoned her dad.

R427, I used the wrong name for MI6 exactly once. I can't pass the vision test to get a Drivers' License so yes, I do make occasional typos, and cannot take decent pictures nor construct a video. Sorry. Doesn't mean I don't have other skills for which I have been well paid throughout my life. Now please, this thread is not about me so I've repeatedly asked posters to stop trying to derail the thread.

Doria presents herself as a woman with a lot of class but much in her background is so troubling. Why would she let her ex have full custody of her daughter without even regular weekend visits? Something doesn't hold water.

Harry can give whatever jewelry he inherited from Diana to Meghan... but he really hasn't for the most part. She got to wear the aquamarine ring her wedding night and one other occasion, presumably loaned but not given. He gave her two small, nondescript diamonds for her engagement ring, that she will get to keep. She has worn a couple of other things that are probably reproductions, not the real deal. Most notably, she wore some diamond-encrusted butterfly earrings that were presumably Diana's. But some eagle-eyed folks posted side-by-side pictures of Meghan's and Diana's and they were noticeably different. Perhaps Meghan had them altered... Harry's rumored to be cheap. I don't think he is going to give Meghan any jewelry of significance unless they are married for quite some time, which is unlikely.

R421, Exactly. Why would MM claim she didn't have a strong, loving family if Doria was going to school and becoming a social worker? That to me would be an ideal mother figure.

Did Doria go through a difficult period of her life and then turn it all around for the better? That would be so admirable. Then again MM shouldn't have told the BRF they would be the family she never had, or words to that effect.

I don't hate MM. Just cannot figure out why everything she seems to say is later contradicted by her actions. Now actors have to play different roles but one would expect to see far more consistency. Also she apparently never thoroughly studied for the greatest role of her life, to be a member of the BRF. That would be Day-1 of acting training.

IF I were to believe in CT swirling around the internet, rather than just posting videos where SOME of the info might be correct and which I"m open to believing until the info is proven false, as I've always been very open-minded, I would really question what is truly going on here. I mean what were MM motives, originally and presently. Did anyone ever talk her into pursuing Prince Harry? What's with the man who's a VIP/manager at Soho House?

The Welsh gold in the BRF wedding rings is a big deal, in terms of symbology. It's also far more valuable than diamante tat. Why the fuck would Meghan get rid of it? Does she have no feel for optics at all?

[quote]Welsh gold is the world’s rarest and most sought-after gold, according to UK jeweler Clogau that specializes in the metal. It comes from two areas in North and South Wales. Much of it was mined from the 1862 “gold rush” through the late ’90s, but today, no gold mining takes place in Wales. This means that the supply will eventually run out, making it extremely rare. The royal family has a long history with Welsh gold, beginning in 1911 with Prince Edward of Wales. In 1923, Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon started the tradition of using pure Welsh gold in wedding rings for her marriage to Duke of York. Since then, Queen Elizabeth II, Princess Margaret, Princess Anne, Princess Diana, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall and Kate Middleton have all had wedding rings using Welsh gold from the same nugget. The Duchess of Sussex continues the tradition 95 years later by wearing a wedding band made of Welsh gold. Cleave and Company designed her and Harry’s wedding rings, and the gold used to create Meghan’s elegant band was a gift from Queen Elizabeth.

So I was right about the 'very open minded' poster who thinks Skippy and Danja have some 'interesting ideas'. She can't drive or take pics on her smartphone, so must have problems with learning/vision. No wonder she is fooled by Danja, this poor credulous individual can barely see.

She swapped out her engagement ring band (for tacky pavé), not the wedding ring band, so she still has her Welsh gold from the family nugget (very Lord of the Rings).

R436, obviously they are tiny diamonds, not cheap diamante.

didn't harry say in an interview (might be the engagement one) that he picked out what he did so it would please her? How do you even defend her then changing it so it looks more new money

R436 - yet another example of MEagain having no respect for the traditions of the family in which she married. Why doesn't she just give the Queen the finger the next time she's with her?

And the changes look so low market. I grew up among the trashiest of white trash - they would think the changes she made are "classy".

Diamante, pave, whatever. The original band looked better. I'd be surprised if it hadn't been made from Welsh gold too, since it was specially designed for her and made to match her Welsh gold wedding band. Here's what Harry said about it at the time of their engagement:

[quote]Harry had emphasized Meghan's love of her gold band during their engagement interview, saying "The ring is obviously yellow gold because that's her favorite and the main stone itself I sourced from Botswana and the little diamonds either side are from my mother's jewelry collection, to make sure that she's with us on this crazy journey together."

I totally agree with [29]

If you look at her bands from when she was married to Trevor, she's going for the same look. Trashella.

I would bet she had small stones set in the original band. The would be no reason to scrap the original band.

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The royal jeweller of the Queen must be miffed that he is being accredited to the eternity band in some media, but it's actually the work of an American woman.

No one knows for sure what has been gifted to Meghan, other than her ring(s) and the diamond and pearl earrings that were a gift from the Queen and announced as such

If Harry is cheap, giving her the aquamarine ring costs him nothing. It's not like Kate needs more jewels. The rest like the Cartier bracelet from Prince Charles is just speculation.

Oh wow that band really is offset, and I don't think angles would make it look that way.

Maybe Harry went to a make-your-own-fine-jewelry class, like paint-your-own-pottery but for royals.

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Oh my, those hands at R447 are not ready for their closeup. They look like an elephant’s knees.

Yes, because you just know the DOS would accept a poorly made piece of jewelry.

R454 tell her it’s a million-dollar piece from a brand popular in LA and she’d never know the difference

R427, Knock it off. I NEVER said that I can barely see, and I certainly don't have trouble learning otherwise I wouldn't have gotten a BA from UCLA. Now WHERE did YOU go to university and why don't you have the intelligence to respond to such a simple question.

Again I posted Danja Zone's video as I already stated because she provided clips of the British comedy show many in the US cannot see. I thought the claim of QE II throwing shade at MM was amusing and DL posters would appreciate it. I get many Likes on all of my posts on this thread.

PLEASE stop trying to derail this thread, and lets get back to some more gossip. What do DL posters think of MM's style Blog that I previously posted?

R456 no one cares about the wacko sites you link to outside this thread! Please stop trying to plug them.

R456 - Meghan wouldn't know "style" if it came and hit her in the face. Actually, I'm quite sure she wouldn't know "substance" either but that's another topic.

R427, Supposedly I can barely see but obviously I can type very long posts. Right. Shows your total lack of reading comprehension and insensitivity. To better educate you, there are many people in this world who don't have the depth perception to drive and to take photos with a smart phone but are far from blind.

R436, MM complete disregard for the BRF's tradition of using Welsh gold for whatever reason is exactly why I have an issue with her. She's completely unsuitable for her role because she repeatedly refuses to conform on the most minor issues. That doesn't mean by any means that I hate her or that I am a racist.

However in comparison Kate is much more obedient and a better fit for the BRF. Agree with previous posters who said it would be very difficult for any American to marry into Royalty or the British elite and to be completely accepted. This is an issue of culture rather than racial differences.

The Duke of York was in Yorkshire for the day. Andrew concentrates his work in Science, Technology, Engineering and Education and Skills.⁣

“The Duchess of Sussex was devastated when the Princess of Wales was killed in a car accident in 1997, when Meghan was 16 years old. She watched the funeral with her friends and cried when she saw Prince Harry’s note to his ‘Mummy’ on top of the coffin. In fact, according to the 2018 book ‘Meghan: A Hollywood Princess’, she felt the loss in a “keenly personal way”

Meghan wasn’t 16 when Princess Diana died...

Diana's Ascot outfits. Even she had some fashion misses.

Camilla with a baby. She seems to like children.

I don't believe she was 16 either.

Does anyone remember Meghan as a guest on the Fashion Police with Joan Rivers?

Camilla's makeup is getting better, really showing off her eyes.

Oh these two are always drinking.

R455, R458, Love your witty response. I don't have the depth perception necessary to see the less than ideal workmanship but at least I'd ask an expert who's super visual.

Re MM being 16 at the time of Diana's funeral, I also question her actual age at the time along with the previous 2 posters. Recall MM telling Prince Harry that she didn't know anything about him when they met. How can that be true given that she claims to have cried while watching his mother's funeral?

Then Princess Elizabeth with her corgi. I love dogs but corgis are a breed for which I don't feel any love.

R469 - I think it's pretty well been established on these DL threads that Meghan LIES - a lot.

R457, Well if "no one" cares then why do I get so many "Likes" when I post links to her videos? Your psychic abilities are clearly malfunctioning.

Boy, that looks mighty awkward! What area of his mother is Edward suppose to be kissing?

R470, Do you know the reason why Corgis are the official dog breed of QE II?

It's probably one of those air cheek-to-cheek kisses, idk what the official name for those are.

Meghan told Harry whatever she needed to tell him to make him feel special and loved. Love-bombing is a very common manipulative tactic, but people with a healthy and balanced view of themselves don't usually fall for it. Harry probably suffers from a strange mixture of smugness and low self-esteem, just as Margaret did. They think they are special and deserve special treatment because they've always been given it. But deep down, they know they deserve none of it, because they've done nothing to merit it.

Is that Ed Sheeran's baby with Camilla? The kid looks just like him.

R474 - as far as I know, her father gave her a corgi when she was a little girl and I think she fell in love with the breed.

R471, Careful. If you dare to call MM a liar then the obviously paid, OCD MM stan will accuse you of being racist and of low-intelligence.

Does Kate look like she's suffering from motion sickness here? I don't think that story is believable. Until I hear it from her, I'm calling bullshit.

R373 - I've lived more than half my life in the UK. The idea that it rains all the time here is a function of a popular image imposed on it. Yes, it's probably cooler and wetter than, say, New Mexico in the US. That's why England is so green in the spring. But the idea that we don't have lovely summers is absurd. Picnicking used to be an art form in the UK>

F476, Fascinating. I couldn't figure out why she was doing it. Please continue with your analysis as I've encountered many like her in my life and never could comprehend what was going on.

Come to think of it, that's what cult-like religions initially do to newcomers, knowing full well visitors may be at a very low point in their lives or stressed out and seeking answers to life's questions.

R481 - I've been to England four times (three times in May and another time in October). The only time I saw rain was a little spitting at Hampton Court, a wet seat on a open top bus in Oxford and a shower at night when I was at my hotel. Other than that it was glorious. May was an especially fine month. October was a little misty in the morning but the days were great. I've had very good luck with the weather while on vacation in England.

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R379 - You "heard" that Doria's bank account went to $9 million this year? Really? Instead of posting it should have called a doctor to attend to your cracked ribs as you fell off your chair laughing.

Harry's annual income from his trust is only £300,000. You think he's pouring millions in his mother in law's bank account? Or his father is doing so? Or the Queen? Or Meghan?

Which bank account? Which bank? Who posted the information and based on what evidence.

Fucking hell.

A lovely portrait of the Queen among the flowers.

If anyone needs a laugh today, I hope this post does the trick.

Not only elephant hands and age/sun spots, R447, but the ultra smiley pic in R443 reveals shifting fillers at the top of the nose and around the eyes. The sands of time, they shift.

R474 - She had them as a child, that's all. She also had some dachshund/corgi mixes ("dorgies"). I don't think it's official at all, it's just what she had a kid and loved.

Most of you are probably too young to remember Private Eye's hilarious spoof on the royal family and QEII and her dogs, taken from Gershwin's wonderful opera (they'd never risk it today for, well, reasons):

"Corgi and Beth"

I think their code word for Margaret was "Brenda".

Imagine the scandal if this happened on Trump's visit. LOL.

Young Elizabeth.

Look at that old pram.

A future queen in her little bonnet.

R486, R487, Love your posts.

My impression of Meghan is that she's someone who is not entirely comfortable and honest with being herself. Hence the only time she's able to come close is when she's pretending to be or performing an idealized version of herself. We've all experienced similar feelings to certain extent at various points in our lives, but some people never learn to outgrow it. I think Meghan's formative years with Doria not being the caretaker parent played a role in her seeking materialism as way to fill a void. Growing up in L.A. only augmented it. I believe Thomas Markle did the best he could for her, no he's no saintly role model either but he was there for her when it seemed like Doria was M.I.A. They were close at once and he's gotten a bad rap by Meghan stans for being an awful dad. But from this article, it was dad not mom who was there for Meghan when she had a negative experience related to her status as a mixed race young person. It illustrates what a cold-hearted bitch she is for cutting out her father for one transgression, when it was him who nurtured and raised her during her vulnerable, formative years.

My parents are both deceased, they died quite young, my father during my childhood and my mother just over a decade ago when I was in my 20s. Both were not perfect but they also tried their best. I'm of the belief that unless your parents are awful people, not people who made mistakes, then you really should reconsider having relationship with them. We shouldn't expect our parents to be perfect or reflect idealized images that suit our own motives and needs. But that is exactly what Meghan is seemingly doing, she's both ashamed of her background as well as her father. It's really quite sad to cut off a parent for the sake of social climbing. Lying to Harry by telling him that the BRF would be the only, real family that she's never had, well that just takes the cake. It's not the social climbing or the materialism or even the self-promotion that makes Meghan unlovable in the public's eyes. At least for me, it always circles back to the ways in which she's treated her father, once-close friends, and relatives to whom she once was close (or at least having cordial relationship with) such as her uncle and niece.

[426]. I suspect there is a blackout at the moment. When it comes out it will hit her hard. I think they are trying to protect Harry at the moment. He has secrets they want hidden

The Uk tabloids already sleuthed and found her birth certificate. She's 38 on August 4.

The dumbass who can't take pics on her smartphone is a typical Skippie. Elderly and near blind, so deceived by the slightest thing.

Now the blind poster with the IQ of 90 is trying to make 40 years old and 9m stick, altho she'll howl at the moon if anyone suggests Meg brought 5m to her marriage.

R497 = snotty nosed prat. Really bad form. Begone, Deplorable!

Next thread.

My apologies. I could have sworn this thread was nearing 600. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked too! LOL.

A video of James Middleton and his dogs.

James in Tatler.

R497 seems really upset that there are rumors, speculation, and sometimes even conspiracy theories about celebrities on the internet.

Someone send her an emotional support banana so she feels better.

Don't feed the Skippy/Skippie troll, peeps.

No worries, R499/R500. We appreciate you keeping our gossip threads going!

If Prince Louis grows up to look like James Middleton, he'll be one lucky bitch.

The beard suits James. He's not nearly as hot without it.

His face without the beard oh no

James Middleton with a beard looks rather like a young George V.

James: (though thankfully he doesn't have the Hanoverian pop eyes).

Genetics being what they are, there's no effing way that George and Louis are going to keep their hair.

R496 - There is no blackout as there is no story. There is absolutely no fucking way a ten-year prison sentence, which means a Class A felony, could be hidden from the public - any public. The BRF may be protecting Harry from something, and it wouldn't surprise if he had a few more skeletons in the closet than havve been let out (such as, for instance, graduating from marijuana to smack and/or crack), but it most definitely isn't a ten-year prison sentence for Meghan's mother. Even MI-6 and the BRF can't force the US Justice system to keep a public criminal record like that secret.

R498 doesn’t let facts get in the way of her Skippy-fed gossip!

Harry's biggest secret is how many blowjobs he got from his buddies in the Army.

I suspect when Meghan dreamt up The Tig it was more of a way for her to transition into the lifestyle blogging business, a win-win situation where it'd have the possibility of providing her with a nice income when the acting roles dry up, as well as keeping her name out there. What she would've wanted The Tig to be didn't really pan out as it was basic frau blog that basically lacked focused content and instead the focus was all on her frau self. She probably would've loved to have had a blog like Jamie Chung's blog What The Chung. Jame is also a non-Caucasian actress (albeit with actual Hollywood credits) only 2 years younger than Meghan. Chung's blog leans strictly lifestyle without the fake humanitarian bent, also she has actual big name advertisers and sponsors. Yet she also comes across as being more authentic as opposed to a forced persona unlike Meghan on The Tig and I bet she's raking in a nice little income from it too. Meghan should be thanking her lucky stars that Harry and the BRF rescued her from the oblivion that was The Tig.

That's my big question with Meghan: Why can't she chill? She won her comp life the minute Harry put the Welsh gold ring on her finger. Put on some pantyhose, smile for the cameras, listen to your new advisors, and get along with your new family. Easy peasy! Watch the big KP apartment, the family orders, and the trust funds roll in. Why is she still paddling furiously when she made it to shore? All she's doing is digging a huge hole for herself.

R516, You phrase it better than I did earlier but I suspect the issue with MM is that she's not enough of a "people pleaser." She's also more of a Dom and wants to call the shots, and not just in bed. That's why Kate fits in better with the BRF and not just because of her place of birth and her race.

R516-That's why I find her interesting. She won it all, and she's blowing it. It just boggles my mind and is entertaining as hell to watch.

R518, Self-destructive? Or unhappy with the life she chose as it wasn't what she expected? Or did she see it as a stepping-stone to a better life out of the BRF?

In other words, will MM get movie roles or a hosting gig if she returns to CA now that she has world-wide name recognition?

R519 - if she skips out on Harry now, her reputation will take a beating. I can hear it all now: "That bitch used him! She's a quitter" etc... I wouldn't hire her - she's not a very good actress and she would have a lot more baggage than she had before she married. It wouldn't be worth it. I guess some Hollywood sleazebag would think the opposite and want the notoriety but I'd rather hire someone who actually has talent.

Meghan's post-BRF career would be a tricky navigation. Even Diana didn't do that well, after 15 years in the family and birthing the heir and spare. Sure, Diana had the humanitarian gigs, but the tabloid press was eating her alive. After the initial curiosity about Meghan's post-BRF life wore off with the public, I can't see her keeping her fame--notoriety maybe, but not the kind of woke influencer fame she wants. If she were 10 years younger, she might have more options. By the time she births the second baby (needed to ensure a decent settlement) and exits she'll be at least early-40s, and by Hollywood standards will have already had her last fuckable day.

I don’t think she’ll try to go back to acting after the divorce. I think she’ll try the lifestyle guru route like she attempted with The Tig. Will she still have the resources to wear $100K Dior as a royal outcast? I doubt it but we’ll see.

R516, she’s the bottomless pit of a soul in need. She’ll never fill that void.

I think a post-divorce Meghan would love to be the new Oprah. But even Oprah isn't Oprah anymore, and most of the influences are YouTubers under the age of 35. Goop is a big exception, but Gwyneth has an Oscar and a long, successful film career underpinning her influencer fame.

Doria went to that wacky church where the guy from “The Secret” was the pastor. Oprah totally bought into that crap and you can see some of that in the word salads that Meghan tosses so I can totally see Meghan trying to be the next Oprah. Any kind of platform where she can write 1000 word essays where she says absolutely nothing.

Meghan receives support in some circles because of performative "wokeness". But none of those women would pay money for any venture in which she participated. NOBODY aspires to be Meghan, that's the problem.

I've never heard of anyone redesigning their engagement ring, so I did think that was a bit weird. But someone on another site pointed out that women's fingers sometimes swell during pregnancy, and Meghan's ring may not have fit anymore. She may have decided to add the diamonds (or diamante) as an extra since she was getting it adjusted anyway.

Many women I know added diamonds to their engagement rings—funnily enough, it’s because the original, which is picked out/designed by the man, wasn’t opulent enough.

She was able to still wear her wedding ring, and her engagement ring has always slid around anyway, a bit too big imo , so I doubt she had finger swelling. Or much anyway. In fact looking at the TTC ring/hand pictures, her fingers are long and slim like they have always been.

I've heard of adding a stone for each child or adding stones after a milestone anniversary but not after being married a year. She got the eternity band, why did she have to add to the engagement ring too?

Bedazzling the ring is SO Meghan. She never can leave well enough alone.

That basic bitch would bedazzle Harry if they let her.

She was definitely aware that she was aging out and, as such, was going for Oprah-/Goop-dom. She alludes to it in other parts of this hilariously self-congratulatory Q&A, but this is her answer to a question specifically regarding The Tig’s future:

[quote]There is a vision, and it’s a big one. I see it evolving into an international brand with many different iterations. It’s a timely question because those are conversations that are happening right now. But I just want to grow the team and certainly see it become even more impactful. Who knows, I wouldn’t be surprised if you saw a Tig cookbook or travel collaboration down the road. The opportunities are endless.

Also, while she didn’t manage to work a “lapping” or three into the Q&A, she tried to make up for it with “iteration.”

Is this for real?

MARK THE DATE Meghan Markle ‘will christen Archie on 4 July Independence Day so her US-based pals can attend’

If true, she's really branding that baby as American, isn't she? Cutesy frau baby name, no title, 4th of July christening.

If it really is July 4th, Harry is really into tanking his popularity/relevance isn't he

I’m sure Harry didn’t misconstrue all those extra diamonds on the engagement ring he gave her. I’m sure he understands that a woman as wonderful as Meghan deserves a LOT more than he was able to provide.

He's an idiot if he agreed to this date. Oh wait...

She didn’t even add actual stones to the engagement ring’s band. They’re little tiny diamond chips - - GRAINS of diamond! It looks like she wet it and rolled it in some sugar!

The headline makes it sound as if the date was chosen to make it easier for her American friends to attend. Sounds like she is making her friends choose between attending the christening or having a fun 4th of July. I'd hate a friend who did that. This is why Meghan has no friends.

Darling magazine was one of her collabs. Just look at it.

Darling Magazine-Darling, You Are a Work of Art.

How to Remain a Gracious Leader.

PUKE.

Camilla receives a hug from a child years ago.

Click for video and some insight into Kate when she was William's girlfrient and she worked at Jigsaw.

^ girlfriend

Babby's christening photos* will be showcasing all of the other new diamond additions.

*Sponsored by Birks in exchange for product placement

I remember how the paparazzi hounded Lady Diana Spencer but Kate was hounded for a longer time.

She should rename that baby Metaphor.

Much longer, since Diana only dated Charles for a few months before they got officially engaged and she got police protection.

The Windsors is coming back!

R519 - "Self-destructive? Or unhappy with the life she chose as it wasn't what she expected? Or did she see it as a stepping-stone to a better life out of the BRF?"

All three are possible and not at all mutually exclusive given her essentially ruthless approach to everything - as Hapless Harry is probably already finding out.

Fantastic, R548. I can't wait.

R533 - It's possible, as the Queen will be in Edinburgh that day - in order to save face on the Queen not attending, they have to hold the christening on a day when she has engagements listed on the royal calendar. The only ones she has listed in "early July" are 3, 4 (Scotland both days), and 9 July.

Of course, if it is 4 July, it will be touted as a "nod" to the baby's dual-citizenship and breezed over that way. How it will play with the UK public, Harry's inner circle (what is left of it), and within the royal family itself we will likely never know, as they'll keep quiet about it. It will be left to the tabloids to tuck shade into superficially cooing articles about the christening, hinting how perhaps Baby Archie has a future in Mum's hometown! Or the bolder among them may hint at how the "nod" doesn't include Americans paying any taxes for Archie's nice lifestyle.

[quote] The Windsors is coming back!

HUZZAH !

R548 That’s the best news I’ve heard around the BRF in recent times. Thank You!!!

A quick check of Future Engagements lists nothing for the Cambridges, the Sussexes, or Charles between today and a month from today (24 July), so the Cambridge may very well be attending (smiles pasted painfully on their faces); Camilla is also open that day.

Anne, like the Queen, will be in Scotland (afore ye) on 4 July. Edward is also busy elsewhere on 4 July (although Sophie is not).

Make of that what you will.

Thank you r548!

The Windsors has pure gold to work with. This is going to be good!

Looking forward to seeing The Windsors' portrayal of Beatrice's dodgy new boyfriend.

Instead of laying low and trying to fit in to her new family she picks the day that America celebrates our Independence from Britain to christen her kid. Total Meghan move. No wonder HM declined to attend.

R558 - In fairness, that's just a tabloid clickbait headline, it hasn't been confirmed. The only things that were confirmed were "early July" and that the Queen won't be there. That said, if it is 4 July, it's certainly another not too subtle hint that the Sussexes will only be sticking around long enough to establish their "brand' and have another kid, and are running down the clock until they can announce their departure from the BRF (so their children can have "normal" lives) and Old Blighty for points west.

Maybe that is the only day the BRF gave her, ahem. They would know that this would make her look like even more of an ass to the British public. If so, I like their thinking and applaud their strategy.

Frogmore Cottage revamp costing taxpayers £2.4million – and it is still not finished.

There is a photo in that Frogmore article that might help the US DLers understand that their is quite a big problem with people being homeless, in the area.

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R435, you are a liar. A stupid, ignorant liar

[quote] Did Doria go through a difficult period of her life and then turn it all around for the better? That would be so admirable. Then again MM shouldn't have told the BRF they would be the family she never had, or words to that effect. I don't hate MM.

Yes, you do hate her. You're really bizarrely obsessed about this woman. She NEVER said the royal family was the family she never had. Stupid Harry said it. And if any of you think he meant it as a swipe, you are all giving him WAY to much credit. He's not smart enough to make a purposeful dig at her family. It was just an offhand remark. She didn't have a big family. That's all he meant. If William said something like that, I'd take it as a dig at the family. But Harry's not smart or sly

[quote] IF I were to believe in CT swirling around the internet, rather than just posting videos where SOME of the info might be correct and which I"m open to believing until the info is proven false, as I've always been very open-minded, I would really question what is truly going on here. I mean what were MM motives, originally and presently. Did anyone ever talk her into pursuing Prince Harry? What's with the man who's a VIP/manager at Soho House?

You believe any damned thing you can find on the internet. You want to know what's with the man from Soho House? NOTHING. Not a damned thing. It's all rumors by lunatics in the comment sections. Even the trashy British tabloids haven't printed that. But, hey, if it's on the internet, you'll believe it

You're the dumb cunt posting this videos. That explains it all. You're a fucking piece of shit. Get a life

Freak and Flame 435

Shut up Markus.

r561 And from the Mirror we also learn the Royals are being tightlipped about the cost of the wedding.

"It comes as the cost of Harry and Meghan’s star-studded wedding at Windsor Castle last year continues to be a mystery as Prince Charles’s household Clarence House has refused to give a breakdown.

Royal sources have suggested Charles’s “non-official expenditure” increase of £155,000 – up 5.2% to £3.16 million – could have included spending on the lavish occasion.

A Palace source said: “Harry and Meghan’s wedding was deemed a private affair and paid for by Prince Charles as such.”"

Well if it's private then the BRF can pay the huge policing bill. How rude. As someone who quite likes the monarchy, this whole Meghan Markle debacle is making me consider joining republic. I like the soap opera, it's amusing. It's better than any soap. However the long this drags on the more I think that either MM needs to go or the lot of them need to go. I'm beginning not to care which.

The Mirror article has suddenly been removed

Yes, it has

R564, this thread is infested with people peddling untruths—yes, maliciously—in the name of “gossip”. It’s probably is only a handful of Skippys, but they’re prolific and stupid. I love a good story, but to state that a woman spent years in prison—without one verifiable piece of evidence that should be easily found—is indicative of the low IQ of these posters.

If Doria had been to prison, the tabloids would have dug the details up by now. And as others have pointed out, it would be a matter of public record anyway.

Doria didn't ask for any of this, she didn't choose to become Prince Harry's mother-in-law. She clearly isn't comfortable with the level of fame she's acquired by proxy - she turned down Meghan's request to walk her down the aisle after her father dropped out. It's not really fair to spread bizarre rumours about her.

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I'll check the Irish Mirror, I'm just on the loo ( sorry ) but when these articles get pulled they often stay up in the Irish press.

RE: Meghan asking Doria to walk her down the aisle - sounds like it was more like a conversation about it than a request:

"Given the intense scrutiny Thomas has been subjected to over the past few weeks, it's completely understandable that Meghan and Doria decided against it....According to the guidance I've been given, Meghan felt that it would be too much to expect her mother to perform such an important role when more than one billion people are expected to be watching."

So who knows. Either way, it's pretty clear that Thomas was never intended to be the one walking her down the aisle. If Meghan had really wanted her Dad to be in the wedding she would have flown him into London two weeks beforehand to get him acclimated. As it was Harry had never even met him.

The Mirror story has probably been removed because it cited inaccurate information. I took a glance at the Sovereign Grant Report, and it increased by £2.4million, and someone at the Mirror may have assumed that the increase was solely due to the renovations at Frogmore, which isn't possible to determine, and quite a few other issues can cause increases to the SG. The figure cited by the paper and in the SF being identical can't be a coincidence, in my view.

The Mirror were probably corrected quickly either by the Palace or someone in the know on their staff and pulled it because it could be quickly challenged.

In fact, the figure for the renovations are probably higher - the original estimates were in excess of £3million.

I despise Meghan Markle - she's everything the BRF shouldn't be, but that doesn't mean I believe every quickly pulled story is because of some dark force at work.

^*in the SG (not SF)

[quote][R427], I used the wrong name for MI6 exactly once.

Actually, twice dear. You took out the hypen upon our "correction," but still leaving the number "1" rather than the "I" for "Intelligence," an egregious error for a self-proclaimed "UCLA Political Science" major. You fail to understand that DL does not permit editing. Did you think you were on another site full of eejits and you mistook it for DL?

R548 Just made my day!

R435 It's reasonable to think Doria shouldn't have let Meghan live with Thomas while she was in high school or wonder why that happened. Saying Meghan lived with Thomas because Doria was in prison is in a whole different category.

That UCLA BA in political science doesn't seem to include a basic philosophy course or maybe R435 couldn't see the white board/smart board because of the depth perception problems.

[quote] I"m open to believing until the info is proven false, as I've always been very open-minded,

That's a logical fallacy, love: argument from innocence. The fact that someone can't disprove your claim doesn't mean the claim in true. As the one who made the claim that Doria was in prison for 10 years for fraud, the burden of proof rests with you to support those claims. Even with a healthy skepticism of a MSM outlet, or the the entire group, using posts from social media posters like Danja Zone would not be held as credible by the vast majority of people.

A 4th of July christening? Does Markle realize the 4th falls on a Thursday this year? How will all of the guests take off from work to attend?

That date is pretty fucking bold of Markle.

What a pile of bullshit...from the Sun story in R579:

"With new reports claiming the Sussexes are planning Archie's christening on Independence Day, so that Meghan's American pals can attend. According to reports in HELLO! magazine, the celebration will be timed around the Independence Day (July 4) bank holiday in the US. This allows Meghan's mum Doria Ragland, as well as American friends Serena Williams and Jessica Mulroney to attend, the publication reports.

What? Is Jessica Mulroney out of personal days off at work? Would she get docked for pay if the 4th of July weren't an American holiday? And by the way, Jessica Mulroney is Canadian, not American., so maybe she would be stuck in the office without a good excuse to tell her boss.

1. OMG The Windsors is coming back. Great news. Anyone have any idea when it'll start airing?

2. I am a UK citizen and have spent about half my life in England. Other half west coast USA and Toronto (freakishly samey locations to our good friend Basic Meg). England does indeed get a lot of rain and gloom. But I challenge anyone to describe a more idyllic day than one spent in the English countryside on a summer day. The kind where the little puffy clouds just scud overhead and it never rains, but sometimes you have to put on your cardi for 5 mins before the sun comes back out from behind the cloud. That said, Brits getting defensive about Britain make me laugh, because the people I'm most used to hearing "this place is shit" from are...Brits. I think it's that thing like in some families where you can rag on your own sibs but the minute someone else does you puff up like an angry cat.

3. I'm happy for JamesMid getting his bike back. Dude seems to be shitty at business (and yet persistent - I think if I were him I may have just accepted that I didn't have the inherent skill for my chosen field and chosen another one by now) but I don't think it can be denied he's a catch, even if some of his catch-ness in unrelated to his personal qualities. One sister married to a billionaire, another to the future King of England, good looking, cute dogs, solid (and wealthy in their own right) family. I bet that French girl has her little fingers crossed he proposes soon. Talking about his mental health struggles is a brave move, too, and indirectly supports his sister's related initiative re: mental health.

4. The Yorkies really need to keep their weight down, as can be seen in the linked Insta photos of them at Ascot over the years. That big boobed, wide-hipped body type can look matronly SO easily. Neither of them dress for it when they're on the chunkier side, either. Frustrating, because I do believe both could look better than they currently do when carrying a few extra lbs.

5. The pre-Haz "Day In The Life" vid posted above was shilling 4 things: Holt Renfrew (Canada's version of Bergdorf Goodman but stuffier and more Canadian), Soho House (how did no one else catch this? or did you and we're all just bored of that gossipnugget?), The Tig, Suits). As someone mentioned above, wtf is this girl doing? Like, I get The Hustle (and even respect it in some ways) pre-Harry. But you WON, Meg. You got the filthy rich guy and the status and the adoration and everything you ever wanted. Seriously, why is she not chilling out? Others are probably right - deep-seated lack of self worth + control freakery that won't let her.

Not my blog, R296, and first time I have seen it on here. Thanks for drawing additional attention tho. Mwaw!

Christ, the "basic" descriptor is really, really accurate isn't it? I'm starting to think Meg might be the most basic person I've ever heard of/met (i.e. in my real life or just random famouses). Someone linked to Darling Magazine, above, as she was (did?) going to do a Tig collab with them and... holy sweet mother of Basic Jeebus.

Headlines from Darling Magazine's front page:

"Wisdom: Life Lessons We Can Learn From Our Pets"

"Beauty: Could Eating Cold Foods Sabotage Your Health?"

"Beauty, Creativity: A Voice Without Fear. Kindergardeners are my favourite kind of people. They're funny and quirky and always seem to be sticky..."

"Wisdom: The Power of Affirmation"

And scroll down just a teeny bit to find a David Foster Wallace quote being used to sell 'Real Me Collection' Underwear. I am literally not kidding.

What in the Half-Baked Low-Rent Goop Knock-Off is this shit?! Who even reads these websites? The voice is *exactly* the same as Meghan's, too. Legit completely the same. I cannot fathom that there are people, quite a few of them it sometimes seems, who fall for this awful, meaningless e-tat. It's like wearing knock-off Victoria's Secret. Victoria's Secret (i.e. Goop) is ALREADY BASIC AS FUCK (being expensive doesn't unbasic things). And then the basic is just compounded by loving the knock-off of the already really bad thing. Uuuuugh.

Meghan is truly the absolute Kween of this kind of thing.

And I think Harry might have had his own little posh basic hiding inside all along. Did you see that quote someone posted above about the engagement ring?

"...the little diamonds either side are from my mother's jewelry collection, to make sure that she's with us on this crazy journey together."

"This crazy journey."

Excruciating. Boy is lucky he was born rich. And girl is lucky she was born pretty. And shameless.

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R581 - I think you'll find that "Britain is shit" reaction from Brits a good deal more frequent now than it was a half century ago, even in the midst of ongoing austerity in the 1950s, and in the 1960s, Britain was a hot item. Then came the deadly 70s, and in the last twenty years I'd be the first to admit this isn't the country it once was and both politically and socially it is currently a shit-show. Just the same, having others piss on it only from that one perspective and forgetting everything else does waken the defence instinct.

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I love the DM Headline: "Meg's 2.4M Taxpayer Refurb: Revealed: How Harry and Meghan splashed out £2.4m of YOUR cash on Frogmore Cottage as they turned FIVE small homes into one with all new bathrooms, bedrooms and 'floating' kitchen floor"

They really know how to stir the pot.

Most unflattering photo I may ever have seen of Meg in that DM article just posted at R584 - Richard Kay definitely having a pop, too, which is interesting because he's not some fly-by-night nameless Radar pap/'reporter.' He was friends with Diana and is a long-time respected royal reporter. And this article kind of goes in damn hard on Meg and Haz, even with the obvious "I have to say this so it seems softer than it is" repetition of the 'fact' of their popularity with the public.

This is yet another warning shot across the bows, and yet another I suspect will not just be ignored but added to the 'they're trying to stop us from saving the world and being awesome humanitarians!1!!! We must keep doing exactly the same thing we have been doing because anything else would mean the evil media haterz will win!!11' pile.

They really are such a couple of dummies. Harry just a dim hothead (and that predates Meg) and Meghan herself just weirdly fixated on thinking she somehow knows what she's doing in this new royal world because she had some limited experience of fame beforehand. And utterly failing to realize that 'famous for being on Suits and having a crapola lifestyle blog' is in no way the same as 'famous for being a member of the BRF.'

These two don't have 5 braincells to rub together between them, do they?

That headline is bad.

Honestly, if I suddenly found myself married into the royal family, I would go out of my fucking WAY to be frugal. I'd find it almost embarrassing to be living on the taxpayer dole, and I would try to give good value in return. By that I mean humble service, and lots of it.

Kay is repeating stuff that has never been documented (like the Queen Mother's ghostly trust fund, which has never been proved in the slightest and has no logic to it, as Harry and William were her great-granchildren, not her grandcildren, and as she well knew, were already well provided for and it was the other grandchildren and great-granchildren who would have needed the liquid assets that she clearly did not have). Harry lives of the income from his his one trust, he really couldn't pay for those refurbishments, any more than Kate and William could when KP was renovated, and yes, it's very likely that Charles forked up the money.

That said, these are the bits that interest me:

"The sources [sic] added: 'Frogmore Cottage is a Grade II-listed building, the official and only residence of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. It is not their country residence, it is their only residence. [This is worth noting, as it bears out how much less the Sussexes got than the Cambridges, probably a source of Harry's and Meghan's resentment.]

'Other senior working members of the Royal Family have official residences which are paid for by the sovereign grant to enable them to carry out their royal duties.'

Anti-monarchy campaigners Republic called for a full parliamentary inquiry into royal spending after the release of the accounts. But friends [sic] of the Sussexes told the Mail that Frogmore Cottage was comparatively small, with just four bedrooms and a nursery, adding: 'It really isn't as grand as some people might think.

'There's no wing for Doria, no yoga studio. It's a fairly cosy family home.'"

Dear me, what happend to that "10-bedroom" home everyone was talking about when some of us called Frogmore Cottage an unexciting disappointment for Meghan?

Frogmore Cottan being shoved down Meghan's greedy throat must have infuriated her past bearing, as she left KP and the Cambridges ensconced in that 21-room "flat", with prospects of getting the other huge flat for reception rooms and offices for staff AND in their grand 10-bedroom country home in Norfolk . . .

The question is, what happens if the Sussexes depart, as many feel they may? It would certainly explain why the BRF gave them the least impressive home possible - they figure the Sussexes will leave in disgust in three years or so and they can give the "cosy family home" to Yuge and Jack or Bea and Edo. Or retire the Gloucesters there while Kate and Wiliam take over their huge apartment in KP.

Bottom line, money is pretty much always the reason for things. It's what matters. It's what will get Harry and Meghan in trouble more than anything else.

And if I was, as a newly married in, not inclined to be frugal, R589 I would at least not fucking FLAUNT my extravagance. Does anyone really think the public hears about every single lux vacation of ridiculous helicopter jaunt or gold fucking encrusted toaster the royals indulge themselves in? Fuck no. It is the utter height or moron-dom to flash wealth in that family, because flashing it actually endangers it.

Exactamundo, R592.

The rest of the family has got to be steamed about this. Harry and Meghan are blowing up their spot!

R589 - But the problem is, that's what Meghan married for him: perks off the backs of UK taxpayers and his rich Papa (oh, Meghan is only TOO in touch with how ordinary people live, she has very clear memories of it!). That's what happens when you speak out of both sides of your mouth, positioning yourself as the Champion of the Downtrodden whilst you take taxpayer money for your lovely home.

Charles was a fool not to pay for it all himself.

Charles walking her down the aisle himself becomes more and more of a joke lmao

Oh, the fraus and Kaiser on Celebitchy are going to totally lose their shit tomorrow over this. You'll hear the screaming from outer space - and that's just the print version.

Ok, so who's going to haul the two of them in to read the riot act about "appearances"? Will probably wants to. Charles does not want to. The Queen is tired from Ascot week, and why should she be bothered. Really, it falls to Charles. Fan fiction time! (With apologies to the frail flower who finds these imaginary scenarios cruel celebrations of the sadness and misfortune of our poor heroine.)

C: Ahem. I say. Harry. Meghan. I think you have an idea of why I called you in. The, erm.....perception.....is......unfortunate.

H (aggressively): Dad. You KNOW how the media jackals are.

M: It's ridiculous. Papa, everything we did was approved.

C: Yes yes I know. Still, it would behoove one to exhibit......erm.....restraint. In future.

H: For god's SAKE, dad, you know how much Will and Kate spend. We don't come anything near it! You know that!

C: Yes yes but.....

H: And you know DAMN well why they're going after us!

M: Baby, please....

H: No! It's disgusting, and should be called out for what it is!

[to be continued.....]

Someone upthread said there are castles for sale cheaper than what the Markles paid to renovate. Maybe so, but FrogCott is owned by the monarchy, and they probably have to live in subsidized housing not in some unknown castle not owned by the monarchy.

All we need now is pics of Tom hitting up Home Depot to buy a new toilet seat for his Mexican shack as contrast.

R394, do you have links for any of that re: Doria?

Foundations can be another word for slush fund (whilst virtue signaling). Re: the college bribery cases, the parents were to make a donation to the foundation of the guy orchestrating it all, for example. To register in a state where annual audits are not required does not send a message of transparency.

It was clear in their engagement interview that Meghan wasn't thrilled with the ring Harry designed for her. A real prince gave her a diamond sourced especially for her from Botswana, a place supposedly special to them, surrounded by diamonds from Diana's collection , set in a yellow gold band because Harry knew she favors yellow gold. But not good enough for Meghan. Even after adding the "of the moment" thin band of pave diamonds, she probably still dislikes the ring. She should have told him what she wanted beforehand.