Million Dollar Listing New York - Season 8

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Boring.

Maybe it's because I don't quite get NY'ers but everyone of them seem so insufferable. Luis being the worst.

Steve has a baby?!

Does Luis still identify as straight?

Steve's "girlfriend" is not even that cute (he is way hotter). This season is going to suck - in a bad way.

Tyler is a cute former fatty gay

Steve's "girlfriend" is such an obvious beard it isn't even funny. For starters, she looks like an actual Russian whore/prostitute. NO straight man would actually have a baby with a woman like that unless it was some sort of set-up. It seems like it's almost become a REQUIREMENT for the CLEARLY gay men on this show to all pose as straight and have beards. All except Fredrik and now this new one who is "out." But Ryan and Steve are just so obviously gay, despite their beards. And Luis is just FLAMING at this point. I almost did a spit-take when I saw the trailer with his painted finger nails and all! This season looks to be a real horror show. LOL

This show is still on?

Tyler, pre-Bravo

[quote]And Luis is just FLAMING at this point.

The painted nails probably mean he's going to come out as non-binary.

[quote]But Ryan and Steve are just so obviously gay, despite their beards.

I think Ryan is bi, actually,

[quote]And Luis is just FLAMING at this point. I almost did a spit-take when I saw the trailer with his painted finger nails and all!

I KNOW! What the HELL is going on? From the closet to THAT!

[quote] It seems like it's almost become a REQUIREMENT for the CLEARLY gay men on this show to all pose as straight and have beards.

True and it is a shame because the show would be so much more interesting if all the gay/bi men were out. Now, it is a joke.

Then it would just be WAAAAY too gay and Bravo and their frau/fangurl viewers wouldn't watch it.

R13, exactly! What I can't understand is why they never cast a woman or a genuinely straight guy-- even for some variety! It's always just closet cases and openly gay men. This new one they hired that used to be fat is like an obnoxious walking stereotype of a gay man, which is extra annoying IMO.

Isn't a million dollar listing basically a studio apartment in NYC?

OMG Luis is back! Will we see more flirting between him and Ryan? I will never forget Ryan saying Luis was a beautiful boy and Luis blushed. I wonder if they've fucked. I honestly wouldn't be surprised. You could cut the sexual tension with a knife.

Glad the NY version didn't make the same mistake as the LA version of adding a frau.

Is Luis out? Or will that be his story this season? Steve is a douche but he is damn hot!

R19 I literally thought the exact same thing. Coming out will probably be his storyline for this season.

Does anyone have that clip of Ryan flirting with Luis and calling him a beautiful boy?

6 minutes of Ryan and Luis flirting.

Sorry, meant 3 minutes 😂

Was ET trying to out him? Look at the title of this clip!

But it’s all fake, though.

I don't understand the point of being on this show and being closeted.

The whole point of the show is the closet.

R26 I don't get it, but Ryan and Luis are definitely gay. My gaydar is never wrong. I don't care if they claim they are straight. I still think they're gay and closeted.

I just find it weird sine there are openly gay men on the show.

Ryan seems bi. Steve seems gay!

Ryan? Bi? That's hilarious.

There's no way a full-on gay would go through all that with a woman - just to stay in the closet and they're still together and with a child now. You've got to get over the Ryan is gay thing NOW.

But God knows what's up with Luis at this point.

If you look like Steve Gold, you owe it to the world to procreate, regardless of how gay you are, regardless of the means of reproduction.

Ryan is full on gay

I agree with those who said that Ryan is full-on gay. And I disagree with R32. PLENTY of full-on gay men have married women to look straight. My guess has always been that Emilia is gay too and they are bearding for each other. Also, it's not like Ryan and Emilia had this baby the "natural" way. They made that very clear. Steve is also clearly gay, and most likely paid this Russian prostitute (or whatever she is, but that's what she strikes me as) to give him a baby too. I've never seen such a STRANGE, out of nowhere situation like that. Meaning, no one even KNEW of this woman, and then all of a sudden, there was a baby! Also, I would not hold my breath for Luis finally coming out, as NO ONE ever comes out on this show, except for Fredrik who admitted he was gay from day one. Plus I guess the new guy on the show is an "out" gay man. But the others are never going to stop bearding, mark my words!!

[quote]Also, I would not hold my breath for Luis finally coming out, as NO ONE ever comes out on this show,

He's sort of come out already - with that pic @ R1.

Are any of these Bravo shows real?

R36, yes of course, but what's maddening is he'll STILL have the audacity to make it like he's straight and "out there looking" for the "right girl." He could put on a tutu next (like Ryan did in an episode-- true story!) and STILL claim to be straight. It's just ridiculous.

There has to be a reason why Luis is in the closet.

LA is "real", or at least reality show real. The transactions are filmed after the fact.

If they can bring back boring Luis can't they at least also bring back Chad and Starlycakes??

[quote]There has to be a reason why Luis is in the closet.

I think it's to do with his "very close" family - who in fact we've seen.

But the makeup and the earrings is a very odd way of coming out.

Chad isn't coming back, since he's never coming out of the closet. And he's a Republican pig.

R42, I think the makeup and earrings have more to do with Luis being an emotional basket case... like it's a cry for help (in regards to coming out) more than anything else.

I am looking forward to the episode where Tyler undergoes skin reduction surgery.

I will sell this house today!

Maybe Luis is going to declare he is non-binary

I'm rewatching Luis' last season and omg, he was totally flirting with that Michael guy. They had a ton of chemistry. You could cut the sexual tension with a knife. My jaw dropped when Michael started to talk about kids, I was like... you mean you actually had sex with a woman and created those kids? I got gay gay gay. My gaydar pinged loud and clear. Luis was basically eye fucking him and you could tell Michael liked him too. Then they started to talk about women and dating and I was like... who do you think you're fooling?

R48, yes I remember that one! LOL It seems every man on this show-- even the "guest stars" are closeted. I am almost certain that similar to Steve Gold, Michael Grave's "wife" was just an incubator for his kids and he had them artificially. There is just no way he's straight enough to get those kids the natural way. Same thing with Steve and Ryan. I heard them lisping on the "Today Show" just this morning. It's ridiculous!

R49 My biggest red flag is with Ryan. In an episode he said both he and Emelia were perfectly healthy, they should have no problem conceiving. Then he said they would get started with IVF right away. I was like?!?! Wouldn't any straight guy be excited just by the idea of "trying", if they both are healthy they should have no problem. She would get pregnant eventually. Then WHY the IVF, why not at least wait a little longer? Why would he NOT want to have sex with her and try the natural way, at least first? Maybe because he's GAY, lol!

Tyler Whitman is gay, right? He pings. I have a feeling he might take over for Fredrik next season and this season they brought him on to do a "test" run. If it works out he will be the gay agent next season. Fredrik says he has no intention of quitting MDL, but I think he will. He has already moved his entire family to LA. Who wants the hassle of commuting from LA to NY? It will get tiresome after a while. So yeah, 5 agents is a lot. It will probably be Luis, Steve, Ryan and Tyler next season.

Gaybees. The ultimate accessory.

R51 Yes Tyler is openly gay

Why has Steve been hiding Luiza for so long ? Rumours are she’s an escort is this why ? And all her pictures and followers were erased in the beginning of there relationship on her instagram. Does anyone know if she’s going to be on MDLNY? What a disaster that will be .. Is Bravo really going to paint this relationship as a whirlwind romance.? I have read on his Instagram she didn’t tell him she was pregnant till 5 months into it ..Ryan did and interview and said Steve turned up with Luiza and said ‘“hey “ this is my girlfriend and future baby ...Ryan’s response he thought steve was joking.. This ( if it’s a relationship) seems very odd ... This girl has cone out of the blue no job and nobody knows her real occupation so strange.... Does anyone know who this Luiza Gawlowska really is ?

R50, I couldn't agree more! The fact that they went straight to IVF was a huge red flag. It's so obvious they never even TRIED to conceive the "old fashioned way." But that's very believable if you look at how AWKWARD they are with one another. Even when they kiss they have pained expressions on their faces or kiss each other like someone who is kissing their grandmother! They just do NOT look like a couple who has sex with each other. Fredrik on the other hand, can barely keep his eyes/hands off Derek. He is SO in love with him. That much is one of the only genuine parts of the show. You can just tell!

R54, yes! There is no question in my mind that Luiza was some sort of escort that Steve PAID because he's gay but wanted a baby too! No straight man would pick THAT to have a baby with. To say their "relationship" is odd is an understatement. I'm sure Ryan DID think Steve was joking, being that he KNOWS Steve is gay as well. But it's like they won't even admit they are bearding to each other-- let alone to the audience!! Yet if you read between the lines it's very clear that's what's going on.

[quote]It's so obvious they never even TRIED to conceive the "old fashioned way."

LOL

[quote] Fredrik on the other hand, can barely keep his eyes/hands off Derek. He is SO in love with him. That much is one of the only genuine parts of the show. You can just tell!

But everyone said Derek was only with him for the money. But they're still together.

I'm not sure what Ryan's end game is regarding the supposed bearding. It's not like the franchise hasn't had plenty of gay men- LA with Josh F and Madison and of course Frederick. Plus, a gay male realtor is considered a plus, not a negative.

R56, Derek probably is! But that doesn't change the fact that Fredrik is clearly in love with him. In fact I'd say he works extra hard to keep Derek in the lifestyle of which he has grown accustomed! LOL

R57, I don't know what Steve's end game for this bearding is either. Except he wanted a kid, so he paid this escort, as she was cheaper than going the route Fredrik did.

[R54] He's been hiding her because at the beginning he was trying to tease the relationship on IG to build some sort of excitement among his followers. A hand here, a shoe there, etc. When he finally showed her face on Thanksgiving that's when the backlash started since she was more plastic than Taylor, the girl he went on a date with in S6 and criticized how "done" she looked. She got pregnant 5 weeks in, but he didn't find out until after Valentine's Day since that was the last post he had with her. After that, it was him on a trip with friends and him doing solo stuff until the late March(?) US Weekly article about their "whirlwind romance". My thought is he was planning on doing an article about their "relationship" before S8, but he had to move the timeline up because she was already halfway through her pregnancy. I also don't feel like he was initially excited about the pregnancy because I do believe that he is somewhat controlling in regards to his image.

Derek is fucking hot.

According to Frederick, Steve has the biggest dick. I would love to see it, he's a beautiful man

R60, right... except I don't believe for a second this was a regular relationship and she just happened to "get pregnant" the natural way. It makes NO sense whatsoever. Especially since Steve could barely stomach to "date" a woman as shown on the last season of the show, where his parents were literally BEGGING HIM to "find a nice girl" and seemed baffled that Steve never had a girlfriend (i.e. not coming to terms with the fact their son is gay!!!). Yet what does he do? Get mixed up with some escort who looks 40 at 20! Why would a guy with as much going for him as he has go for a woman like this if it was based on REAL attraction? To me it's like a bearding situation gone wrong. It's almost like he wanted a kid because Fredrik and Ryan were having them. So he had to rush out to put this beard in place, and figured she would be a cheap "incubator" for his child. It's not like he even had the decency to marry his beard before having a kid the way Ryan did.

R63 I think Steve is actually straight. There is no legit evidence he's gay. He probably slept around which is why he never had a girlfriend. I could see him being bi though. I would not be surprised if he fucked his friend/driver Bradley Cooper. He probably fucked that girl and didn't expect her to get pregnant and now he's stuck with her.

R64, every time I hear Steve open his mouth I am certain he's gay. Not just his lisp, but facial expressions as well. It's funny you bring up Bradley Cooper the driver... that was SO incredibly obvious that they were fucking... they couldn't even hide it in a few episodes! So if THIS is Steve's type, this Russian whore makes no sense, except he wanted a kid and used her as an incubator. So now he has a beard to boot. It's not like Ryan did not already go down this road. Except in his case he picked a more believable beard, simply because Emilia's family is LOADED. She's not some cheap whore like Steve's beard. So Steve doesn't have a lot of sense, clearly.

Also, it's not like Steve didn't know that he NEEDED a beard. Again, I point to the episode of his desperate parents last year. It was so obvious that he didn't want a girlfriend but felt like he needed to go get one. And that's EXACTLY what this new woman looks like... some cheap, mail-order "bride." It totally fits.

[quote]Steve has the biggest dick. I would love to see it, he's a beautiful man

Beautiful. Rich. Penis of the gods. In my next life, I want to come back as Steve Gold.

[quote]According to Frederick, Steve has the biggest dick.

Video confirmation, please (of Fredrik saying this, at least).

Watch what Happens Live Tuesday night, probably on you tube

[quote] Are any of these Bravo shows real?

No. I don't trust any of the info presented on these real estate shows. I have little doubt the facts are greatly exaggerated to make the show more entertaining. Every single one of the RE agents on these shows are sketchy in one way or another.

[quote]Every single one of the RE agents on these shows are sketchy in one way or another.

"IS sketchy," dear.

Did anyone just watch the first episode? I honestly don't know how anyone could argue that ANY of the men on this show aren't gay at this point. And Steve made a stunning admission that he only sees his "girlfriend" at most, once a month. Yet it took him "years to find the right girl." In a city FULL of beautiful women he could have sex with EVERY DAY. Yup, makes perfect sense! LOL

And Ryan & Luis have become SO over-the-top gay, it's honestly ridiculous.

R70. I agree but I think after listening to steve in the premiere...He’s trying hard to sell this relationship..He said he see Luiza once a month...I’m like WTF she got pregnant within in month ...He had a baby with a total stranger stop trying to make this about a love story dude ....

R72 If Ryan and Luis want to come across as straight they need to stop flirting with each other.

R73, just the fact that Steve would ADMIT that he only sees he's alleged "girlfriend" once a month says it all. I have noticed this with several closet cases... they always have an "out of town girlfriend." Funny how they can't seem to find an attractive girl who actually lives near them! Like Steve needed to pick some foreign girl with blown-up lips that is aging badly! PLEASE! There are a MILLION better looking girls all around him that he chooses to ignore, including his cute redheaded assistant! Something tells me he's busy getting it on with his new driver instead. Boy did that guy look like the cat who ate the canary every time they panned to him! LOL

Some thoughts after watching the episode:

Steve: The running joke for bearding is "dating in Europe". Having a girlfriend you only see once a month is VERY convenient. Also, I see he has a new hot driver ;)

Fredrik: Did he say he was born in 1987? LOL. That's the year I was born. Not a fat chance in hell he was born in 87. More like 78 probably. Also, his assistant... young, good looking twink. Probably gay because he pings. Do you think Fredrik has fucked him? I wouldn't be surprised.

Ryan: Filming Emelia peeing on the pregnancy stick was incredibly invading and disturbing. It was way too personal and it made me uncomfortable. Who agreed to include this? It wasn't cute, it was gross. Why is everything Ryan does so over the top? Especially when it comes to Emelia. The big fancy wedding, the pregnancy stick, them going house hunting. It's never about Ryan anymore, it's all about THEM. I'm still convinced he is gay. Their entire relationship is over the top, not natural, like he has something to prove. Nah, I don't buy it. LOL at Ryan joking about who the father is though and Emilia just going "RYAN!"

Luis looks AMAZING! Love the scruff and the clothes he's wearing. He looks genuinely happy and refreshed. I think the break did him good. What happened while he was away? Therapy? Did he finally come out? Whatever he did, it worked.

R76, I agree with all your points! Especially at how phony and over-the-top Ryan's "relationship" is with Emilia. The reason it seems this way, is because it's all a sham and they are ACTING. I'm sure it will be the same for Steve and his new beard (the one he barely sees! LOL). And yes, Fredrik was just making a joke. He was born in the 70's.

R77, don't hold your breath on Luis coming out! No matter HOW "out" he seems this season, I'll believe it when I see it.

R78 Re: Luis, maybe but I swear something has changed. He looks gayer than ever. The clothes, the mannerisms... just everything. He looks more comfortable with himself too. Coming out is still a process though. Like, even if he is finally starting to accept his sexuality he might be a long way from coming out. I still hope he will though, would be nice if that was his storyline this season. I mean he's done half the job already. Even Ryan commented on what he was wearing, lol. Also, he's being so obvious now that it's like the pink elephant in the room. They have to address it at some point.

R79, you'd think! But I am continually AMAZED at how gay these men are and their refusal to just admit it. Ryan and Steve seem gayer than ever to me too, but they think they're doing a great job of fooling everyone with their beards! I feel like Luis does not have the stomach to beard up like that.

Having to watch Fredrik and his shopbottom of an assistant rummage through the vintage clothing store was a complete waste of airtime. Who the fuck cares? And if Fredrik really didn't know that the client had inserted the clause about not paying a commission, or had not had someone in his office reviewing all contracts, he's grossly incompetent.

Ryan, you might bring a marching band to drown out the traffic noise when brokers come over, but what are you going to do when brokers bring their clients? What a fucking idiotic plan! And typically, couples try to have children the natural way for years before resorting to IVF. The process is neither cheap nor easy. Yet they've barely made the decision to have a child before they're talking about artificial methods. Does not make sense unless there is something to hide.

Steve's paid girlfriend is really hard to look at with those grotesquely inflated lips. And that's who he chose to have a child with? Plus, they picked the corniest name imaginable, Rose Gold. When she's old enough, the kid is going to hate the fact that her name is a stupid joke.

Could not care less about the tiny crying babyman who was on before or the former fattie new guy.

How is it that the NY cast makes the LA cast look 100% authentic by comparison? Jesus Christ, it's soooo bad.

Luis was so uptight and wound up about everything - it would fit if he was sublimating his gayness into his work.

I don't think Steve is gay - but knocking up that Polish whore was a bad move. Wear a fucking condom man! How were you not doing that a few weeks into a relationship with a complete stranger??

R83, if Steve wasn't gay, he wouldn't have picked this woman to have a kid with. Clearly she needs citizenship, which I assume he will provide in return for her bearding. And I don't doubt that Steve's Jewish parents weren't bothering him night and day for a grandchild. So he decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone with this ruse.

P.S. The scarf Steve was wearing in this episode alone was enough to tell the tale. The "girlfriend" in another country that he sees "at most once a month" was just the icing on the cake.

If Ryan was in fact bearding, why even mention the IVF? It's not like the cameras follow them 24/7.

83 It really goes to show now what type of shady character Steve really is ...Knocking up a polish whore isn’t a good look for Corcoran.. I’m wondering what his boss Pamela is thinking about his shadiness.. Why didn’t he use a condom how pathetic he did even know this chick...She was complete stranger yet she’s pregnant with in a month...Lots and lots of rumours our floating around NYC and the Hamptons, she’was a broke escort..And she hid that pregnancy from him for 5 months ...So now his trying so hard to cover it up with all his lying.. Unfortunately for steve the truth always come to light ....

Please, Josh Flagg was charged with stealing millions in art. Steve is a pimple on someone's ass.

83 That’s a bad move on Steve behalf knocking up a polish whore in less than a month now claiming to only see her once a month...lots of rumours in NYC and the Hamptons she is a low class escort and broke .. Well she trapped him good ... What an embarrassment for Corcoran...

I don't think Steve is capable of "knocking up" anyone... except his latest boy toy driver's ass! LOL This phony looking escort was so irresistible to him that out of all the women in NYC, he had to pick her?! Makes ZERO sense. It reeks of a set-up more than anything else. A "quid pro quo" of sorts... she beards for him and gives him a kid, he gives her citizenship/money.

R76 Fredrik was born in 1977

[quote]Josh Flagg was charged with stealing millions in art.

Did he do it?

Who knows what Josh did- it was settled. Probably by Granny.

Steve looks like an escort himself. Button up that shirt! All he could sell me was his ass.

Poor Josh was also arrested in WeHo while getting fucked in a car- allegedly.

R85 Because most people are idiots and don't question stuff like that. All they see is a happy, loving couple. Which is hilarious because he always has a fake put on smile whenever he's with his beard. If you want to see a genuine smile look at his reaction when he saw Luis again. Then compare that to whrn he's with Emilia.

R81 I think Tyler will take over for Fredrik when he eventually leaves, and I think he will sooner rather than later. He lives in LA with his family and got approved as a real estate agent in California. He doesn't want to commute between the two cities forever. I think the producers brought Tyler in to do a test run and see how he's received by the viewers. He will be the out gay agent when Fredrik quits the show.

83. I can’t believe he got trapped 4 weeks Into that relationship .. Rumours are in the Hamptons and NYC he didn’t know anything about the pregnancy till she was 5 months ...Now his trying so hard to cover it all up by telling all the media rubbish..he’s so superstitious , we wanted to keep it private it’s all a cover up ....Now trying hard Ion Mdlny. Unfortunately he’ll be called out he’s lying to cover up too much...

83. I can’t believe he got trapped 4 weeks Into that relationship .. Rumours are in the Hamptons and NYC he didn’t know anything about the pregnancy till she was 5 months ...Now his trying so hard to cover it all up by telling all the media rubbish..he’s so superstitious , we wanted to keep it private it’s all a cover up ....Now trying hard Ion Mdlny. Unfortunately he’ll be called out he’s lying to cover up too much...

I cant believe the new agent would be a replacement for Fredrik. Fredrik is at the top of his game and was the top agent in NYC. Plus, he's a showman, for better or worse. I don't want to watch this former fattie start at the bottom. There's just nothing about him that seems compelling.

r96 Fredrik lives in LA? Why isn't he on that show?

The psychos on this thread who keep insisting Ryan is gay in seven paragraph screeds would get along great with the anti-Meghan freaks in the royals threads.

The psychos on this thread who keep insisting Ryan is gay in seven paragraph screeds would get along great with the anti-Meghan freaks in the royals threads.

R95, I agree completely! Most people (fraus) just believe what they see. Even my 60-something mother can tell that Ryan is gay. You don't need to look very hard to see it. In fact, I'd say that the only people who could say he's NOT gay are trying very hard NOT to see it.

R103 I would say YOU are trying so very hard to convince everyone he is gay, for whatever reason. Why are you so focused on that?

R103 I would say YOU are trying so very hard to convince everyone he is gay, for whatever reason. Why are you so focused on that?

THAT is Steve's girlfriend? Eeeeeeeee! Scary. I'd never seen a pic of her before. I just read in People Mag that they had a baby girl but there wasn't a pic. If he's straight he could've done SO much better.

R105, I have no dog in this race. I am merely going by what I see. Ryan is a Richard Simmons level of gay. Having a beard and making a baby thru artificial means doesn't change that. Why are YOU so desperate to "prove" he's straight?!

R106, Steve COULD have done better, but DELIBERATELY picked this woman for a reason. And it's not love. The fact that he doesn't have to see her often is a start...

R107 I'm not the one posting 7 paragraph posts on how "gay" he is...

R108 You're the one who keeps double posting how much you think he's NOT gay

R109, true! And I think the fool who thinks Ryan is straight believes we are the same person posting... as if it's impossible to believe that multiple people think Ryan is gay!! LOL

[quote]You're the one who keeps double posting

It's the software that's double posting. It's happened to me numerous times lately, though I only click "Post" once.

r109 please. I've posted a few times in this thread. The "Ryan is gay" freaks (such as yourselves) have filled at least half the thread with 7 paragraph ramblings about how gay he is. Obsessed much?

^^I don't even think Ryan is the only gay one. Pretty much every man on this show is gay. It's painfully obvious to everyone but you!

R99 Did you miss the fact that he already moved to LA and is now an agent there? Why would he continue in New York when he has already started a new life in California? Sure, he said he would commute and nothing would change. He would still be an agent in NYC and do deals there. But how long will that continue? Come on, it's not realistic in the long run. The producers probably know this and my guess is that's why they added a new up and coming agent, who is gay, who will take over when Fredrik moves for good.

R100 Yes! He moved there with his family recently. He mentioned it on the show too. He got his California licence so he can be a broker there.

R101 Is obviously an annoying fangirl with no gaydar. Ryan is GAY. Get over it.

R107 Just block the annoying fangirl. She's clueless, dumb and a troll. Just put her on ignore and move on.

Oh please. You idiots insisting he's gay are exactly like the Meghan Markle freaks who insist she's the antichrist. I hope this thread gets turned subscriber-only.

If it means less of you, that'd be great R118

r119 he's never going to want you or marry you

I think steve is trying so hard to sell his fake polish escorts plastic face gf as some F up love romance.. Once a month he sees her but gets pregnant within a month of dating..Rumours are the condom broke and everybody in NYC are laughing at him ..She’s a broke whore that trapped him ..

Steve’s Girlfriend is ewwwwwww plastic face disaster

Everybody in NYC? Yes, I'm sure Steve is the main topic of conversation.

Ryan won't be fucking me, so honestly I don't care. Same with Steve.

Well, at least Steve named his daughter a normal name, Rose. Just too bad the last name is Gold. Rose Gold. lol

Steve named her after his favorite Golden Girl.

If they are not married, the child will have the mother's last name., R125.

Bastard!

Love Fredrik. That's some life he has!

Ryan, meanwhile, may have achieved financial success but does not appear to be a happy man. And that "Puffer" shit is nauseating.

Fredrik should have pushed that old creepy lawyer Sanford off the terrace. Whoops!

The Sanford stuff was just filler. Most clients don't want to be on TV, believe it or not.

Steve’s Girl is a plastic blow up doll ewwww once a month nightmare ..

Steve’s the laughing stock in NYC and the Hamptons lets see if anyone has information on Luiza Gawlowska..I’m sure media are searching for information about her past . she seems extremely shady .. Has three Instagram accounts one new one gone private again..Her first Instagram she erased all her photos and 300 follows ummmm hiding her past much ..

Is MDLNY about polish escorts now that Steve is paying for .? ..And botched up plastic surgery disasters ...

Steve’s Polish whore is so shady ... How much did he pay for her? Anyone have any information on her ? The new season 8 he is saying we see each other once month WTF ...This is totally Bullshit .....And apparently no one knew she was pregnant not even Steve tilll she was 5 months that why he’s hiding the details...shady odd relationship..

At that rate, he's probably not even the father.

R129 Of course Ryan isn't happy. He's a closeted gay guy stuck in a loveless marriage with a kid. He can only blame himself though. He chose this. This is what happens when you value money and fame over living an authentic life. Just sad.

Steve needs to get his personal life under control.. I can’t believe he knocked up a broke ass escort..Hiow is his business now ? How many more cover ups is he hiding .i hope more information comes out ..This is some shady relationship..

R32, you're way too stalkerishly invested in this.

Should have been R132

138. Ummmm SO WHAT? Doesn’t everyone do that on here ?

No, just you.

[quote]Steve’s the laughing stock in NYC and the Hamptons

Just asking, but is Steve Gold such a name that people are talking about him and laughing about him? Does he have a profile outside of the Bravo world? I really am curious, because I once asked someone in NYC Real Estate about Ryan Serhant and the guy said, "who?"

Ryan's team is one of the top 10 in NYC, so he is not some unknown. Fredrik used to be the number one agent in NYC. Not bad for a former porn actor. I doubt Steve will ever be a top agent because he doesn't seem to work that hard, instead relying on his Bravo "fame" to drive clients his way.

The thing that still makes NO sense whatsoever is Steve not being able to resist fucking this Polish whore. First of all, he's gay, so what would he be doing with this woman to begin with if it wasn't a bearding situation? Second of all, if it WASN'T a bearding situation, surely Steve could have done better than this woman if it was based on ACTUAL ATTRACTION!! Therefore, the only conclusion I can come to, is he wanted to get his parents (and everyone else) off his back, so he found an opportunistic woman from another country that he could PAY OFF to be his beard. And who knows? Maybe he WANTED a baby (his parents sure seemed to want grandchildren, and they aren't going to get it out of his mentally challenged sister!) and she agreed to be artificially inseminated by him to give him a baby. But I've never seen anything like this situation before, which is why it reeks of a ruse.

That's what Steve gets for not sticking to anal.

[quote]That's what Steve gets for not sticking to anal.

And bottoming.

Ryan is GAY stupid fangirl. Get over it.

R147, it's not just the fraus on here... Instagram is full of these fangurls who simply believe everything they see! Ryan's married and he used IVF to have a baby-- he must be straight! Nothing to see here, folks! That really is how they think. It was painfully obvious from the get-go with Luis too. Yet there were SO many women going after him on Instagram... just totally not getting what the problem was! It reminds me of the old expression, "there are none so blind as those who will not see."

Steve’s instagram is full of fangurls believing. he’s so I love with the once a month polish escort...This relationship is a setup .. Definitely very strange.. I can’t believe. he had a baby with a total stranger...

R149, yes I saw that... Instagram really is full of fangurls. It's pathetic. Do ANY of these stupid women stop and think, "WHY would Steve want this escort?" I mean really, WHY? It has "set up" written all over it, yet they dutifully believe (similar to the fool(s) on this site who think Ryan is straight too).

Did anyone just see the latest MDLNY episode? It really took the cake with Luis. With painted nails and all he was crying to Fredrik about an alleged "relationship" ending with... A WOMAN! A total mystery woman, who no one ever saw or heard of... not one picture, NOTHING!

It really seems to me like Luis is CONSTANTLY crying out for help. He was even going to Fredrik, the only "out" gay man on the show for "advice." I wish to God Fredrik would have just told Luis to CUT THE CRAP and come out of the closet! I thought his new appearance was almost an admission of this... I mean, who paints their nails? He looks like George Michael, only gayer! It's just unbelievable!!

Wait - why are people obsessing over Steve or Ryan being gay? When the elephant in the room is Luis - sobbing over the “girl” who broke his heart!?! Out of all of them Luis is clearly gay. I thought the whole story line was going to be him coming out. Instead it’s “my straight heart was broken by a...girl, yeah”...who no one ever heard about or referenced but was the love of his life and “best friend”. Dear God - is this 1995? How can Luis be closeted - deeply closeted. It was almost jaw dropping in its absurdity.

R152! I agree. This lot with Luis makes Ryan and Steve look like small potatoes by comparison. The thing that shocked me is that Fredrik just stood there instead of instructing to Luis to FINALLY come out of the closet! Fredrik really could have saved the day here, yet he allowed Luis to just further debase and humiliate himself. Perhaps he thinks it's not his place, but as one of the only "out" gay men on the show, I don't know why he doesn't tell Luis the key to his happiness is COMING OUT! It is just so obvious to anyone watching this. I'm in disbelief that THIS many years have gone by, and despite his OUTRAGEOUS appearance, he is STILL holding on to the charade of an imaginary girlfriend.

Any updates on the development of the Payne estate? It went to that old guy who looked like Peter O'Toole who I believe said he wanted to make it into a boutique hotel??

There's an interesting detail in what Luis said: "I fell in love with a girl FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE"

Some could interpret that as the first time he's been in love, or some might say it was the first time he fell for a girl.

R155, except that is a LIE because Luis made it like he already HAD a "one and only love/girlfriend" from years ago on a previous season! That was a convenient excuse for why he didn't have a girlfriend. So now he's come back and makes it like he "fell in love" with a woman for the "first time" and THAT'S the reason he was suicidal last year. He can't keep his story straight. But ALL of it goes back to him being gay and in denial/terrified of coming out of the closet.

It's a fake reality show. Don't get your boxer briefs in a twist.

Luis is obviously straight.

On the positive side we didn’t get to see see Steve and his escort Luiza ... Such a strange relationship if anything..Did she get her green card yet.?

I had such fantasies of Luis 'taking his time selling my vacation home' when he first came on the show: those sparkling eyes and his joyful dance moves reminded me of my first love. Should've been a clue both times, in several contexts *sigh.* Now the poor guy just seems miserable beyond being dumped by a cruel lover--anybody know if his family disowned Luis for coming out? Hope not, he seemed very good to his parents.

They should just call this show, Million Dollar Closet.

[quote]why are people obsessing over Steve or Ryan being gay? When the elephant in the room is Luis

Because...have you SEEN Steve God?

R153 Maybe he didn't want to out Luis on national tv? Maybe he wanted Luis to come to terms with being gay and acceping himself before he pushes him to come out? I'm sure Fredrik can tell Luis is gay. He probably just thinks that a) it's none of his business what Luis is or isn't and b) he will wait until Luis is ready to tell him. Pushing him to come out at this point is not a good idea. He's clearly not ready. Yes, Fredrik could give him advice on accepting himself and what not, but it's ultimately not up to him. Luis has to accept his sexuality first

R163, I definitely see your point. But when you have a closet case as MISERABLE as Luis, you'd think as an out and proud gay man, Fredrik would step in. I wonder if he ever tried to talk privately with him about it? Because Luis is still a crying basket case. And I'm certain it's NOT over a woman!!!

If Luis is coming back to the show and they're adding the former fatty as a main player I'm just going to start recording the show and FFing through anything to do with either of them. Boring as shit.

Sorry - but when you agree to be on a national “reality” tv show, you sacrifice your right to privacy. If he wants to stay safe in the closet, he should not have come back for more public scrutiny. Now that he has, I have no problem outing him. Because now he is sending a message to all those queer kids watching that it’s logical and ok to stay in the closet - when you are clearly gay. You can’t get the perks of fame and money without paying the price of fame - which is not being able to live a secret life.

[quote] You can’t get the perks of fame and money without paying the price of fame - which is not being able to live a secret life.

I agree, ESPECIALLY on a REALITY TV show - which is all about the REAL YOU.

It's no longer a fucking joke.

BUT he clearly tried to break away, but couldn't make it work. So he's back.

I wonder if I can still get a "happiness bracelet" or were they discontinued? They're probably collectors items by now.

for a straight guy, Luis really pings for me. I thought he was about to come out to Fredrik

R163 He might have had a chat with him off camera, we don't know. He might want to chat with him later on, off camera. The thing is, we only see a very very tiny portion of their lives and even that's fake (hello Steve and Ryan). I think Fredrik is just treading carefully because Luis is so miserable and depressed, pushing the gay thing might do more harm than good. For now he seems to accept that Luis needs time so he's waiting it out.

R166 They are all faking it, except Fredrik. Luis isn't the only one hiding in the closet, I don't get why he is the only one making you so angry though. Ryan is clearly gay (why else would he jump right on IVF treatment?) and Steve's girlfriend is conveniently located in Europe (lol at the old joke "dating in Europe").

Loved the producers zooming in on Luis' painted nails. They know what's going on. They can't ignore the huge pink elephant in the room.

R169 Same. I actually expected coming out would be his storyline this season. Sad that he's still closeted. Not only that but he doesn't even seem to accept it himself. He can't come out before he accepts that he's gay. Loved the hug between him and Ryan though, they still have amazing chemistry.

The fact that any of these guys thinks they're fooling anyone is hilarious.

That's why Chad quit LA- he didn't want to come out. He's never with a woman since the show, just hanging with his parents and Starla. I'd post a link to his Instagram, but he blocked me after I let him have it for pushing a nasty Republican in the primaries.

He lives like a 60 year old woman, and his condo- lol!

Chad's a rockstar now

Chad likes showing off his body

between the earring and painted nails, Luis is making it to obvious that he's gay

R172, yes I caught that! I've never seen such mixed signals before... I mean why does NO ONE ask Luis WHY he painted his nails? Yet he STILL won't come out of the closet. It's just incredible! I agree with R171 and R174 too... that ANY of them think they are fooling people is insane. And as R166 pointed out, the fact that this is supposedly a "reality" tv show makes it all the more sickening. Because they couldn't be any further from reality with what they're pushing! And I agree that it DOES send a (BAD!) message to other gay youth that staying in the closet is the way to go! Luis' shocking level of self denial will result in his suicide at some point. There is no doubt in my mind. That is why I hope he comes out before it's too late. But it doesn't look like he has any intentions of doing so, no matter how "over the top" he looks. What more can he possibly do to come out of the closet yet stay in at the same time?

Anyways, enough about their personal lives. I want to discuss the deals. I'm amazed Steve got that property sold. I think 2 million is what could be expected and the seller should be happy. It wasn't exactly an easy sell as there's a ton of work to be done. Ryan's new glass townhouse, anyone else thinking that monstrosity is ugly as all sin? Fucking hell, all I could thinking was how they ruined that beautiful brick facade and replaced it with way too much glass. It doesn't look "high end" it just looks tacky, kinda reminded me of Miami. Also, the sellers of Ryan's noisy house were fucking idiots. They should have screamed out in happiness that someone would buy that noisy house at all, let alone for 9 million. JFC, how could they say no to that? And in this market? They waited too long and the buyer bailed, not surprised. I'm sure this is the same shit they pulled all the other times they complained about getting close yet couldn't get the deal done. Ryan should be happy he's done with it, despite losing the commission. At least now he doesn't have to hire more marching bands! Last but not least Fredrik's one bedroom condo. Who in their right mind would renovate a fucking ONE bedroom for 2 million dollars? The owners went way overboard, and now they're blaming Fredrik because he can't sell this outrageously expensive condo! LOL. Should have thought about that before splashing a whole 2 million on renovations, fucking idiots.

I'd have a difficult time selling a one bed room apartment for that much money

R180, next to the outrage with Luis, the INCREDIBLY STUPID couple who passed up the $9 million dollar offer on their house, only to be left with NOTHING was a close second! I think Ryan had remarkable restraint. I would have told them to their faces that they're fucking idiots who wasted my time!!

All you queens always think everyone is gay. If Luis says he is straight, I believe him.

R183, I guess you will believe anything then! LOL

I thought he was gay when I first started watching him on the show

Fangirl alert at R183.

Fangirl alert at R183.

R138 Have you seen the pic at R1? Are you blind, stupid or both?

R188 may be dyslexic and meant to tag R183

R189 I'm not dyslexic, just typed too fast lol. Yes, I meant R183.

Ten bucks says Luis will cry on EVERY EPISODE where he is featured.

Is anyone beginning to see that the story arc of this season is: bad market; sellers with unrealistic expectations; our "boys" spending money to market the property only to get fucked over; taking care of babies; pretending to be straight?

Luis is a total hottie. He is going to make one lucky woman very happy.

Or man.

Luis is such a psychological and emotional mess, no one would marry him except to get alimony.

Will Fredrik join the cast of MDL LA now? I noticed the brits didn't play a big part in the most recent season. I wonder if they'll bow out and Fredrik slots in.

Fredrik should take Josh Altman’s place. Altman is the most loathsome of all the realtors in any of the casts.

To be fair R192, EVERY season they pretend to be straight... why should this season be any different? Although now with Steve bearding up and Luis looking gayer than ever, yet still claiming to be straight, it's getting to be too much...

Steve Is going to be on WWHL with Andy Cohen .. let’s see what shit he spins up about Luiza ..I hope Andy asks the hard questions about her occupation....This relationship if its one is very strange....Steve is hiding to many details about this girl..Nothing is adding up about anything that he is saying all lies ..He doesn’t want the truth about her known because he could be in deep trouble..

R199, the entire thing is a charade! She was merely a prop to use as a beard and to give him a child (and his parents a grandchild). He has no feelings whatsoever for this girl. How could he? She is an actual paid whore. This whole thing is a joke!!

R200 I agree something is very strange about the way steve is handling all this mess .. Luiza Definitely has past he doesn’t want media or his fans on Mdlny knowing about.. I also think the meeting at the airport is a cover up , Word on the street is he met her at a London club and picked her out she’s a known escort whore ...He could very well be in some trouble.Could be why his trying very hard to sell this story as it is lying to everybody...It’s not that hard for the average person to see this is so fishy..He even made her a fake company in London the day he arrived..So she could come to the Us ..I think Luiza was a setup for the show and it backfired on him ..I think things are about to get real messy for Steve ....

OK just started season 8. TBH I mostly only got into this show to perv on Steve. He still looks staggeringly handsome to me. I always felt he was a bit lost inside, struggling to live up to his hunky/front-footed image.

This baby thing confirms it. It's so odd. He must be all kinds of messed up inside to have anything to do with that woman. It also wreaks a bit of Chad White - a closeted gay man getting a baby for the insta attention. Maybe that's cynical.

Whatever's going on, it won't end well.

More broadly, this show has reminded me yet again that there really isn't that much to selling real estate. They act like it's the most complicated, crazy, full on job in the world. Someone wants to sell a house. Someone else wants to buy it. Job done.

R202 Steve was good looking on season 7 this season he seems to have aged. The baby mess and this escort girl aren’t helping him .. He seems to trying hard to sell the story to magazines for cover ups about Luiza past and saying she wants privacy...But in another breath he saying he’s so excited for everybody to see this play out on national tv ..

I’m like WTF dude he doesn’t seem to be able to keep his stories straight... She’s a known escort and he doesn’t want media to be aware of it ...I think he’s more embarrassed she played him for a green card ..He seems to be in a real messy situation this definitely won’t end well ...His business seems to be going down hill with mess ..

Steve is one step (barely) above a whore/escort himself. Why is anyone surprised at what he does? Fredrick was a porn pig, sucking his own dick!

R204 Steve was an escort he dated a very wealthy woman alot older than him ....Now karma has struck him with this broke escort Luiza . There’s a lot more money going out then coming in...

I wonder if Ryan and Luis have ever fucked. They have amazing chemistry and there's clearly an attraction there. Ryan was the first one Luis hugged when he came back. Ryan lit up when he saw him, that was a genuine smile, unlike whenever he's with Emilia.

I wonder if Ryan and Luis have ever fucked. They have amazing chemistry and there's clearly an attraction there. Ryan was the first one Luis hugged when he came back. Ryan lit up when he saw him, that was a genuine smile, unlike whenever he's with Emilia.

Ryan is the gayest of the gay men that ever gayed.

R208 Ikr. He can't hide it. It's so obvious, like... you can see he's attracted to other guys. It's not just his mannerisms, or the bracelets, or clothes, or the diva behavior. The marriage is clearly a sham. Why else would they go right to IVF before even trying? LOL! Their doctor even said they were both healthy so would have no problem conceiving, yet they didn't even try. Wonder why?

That glass townhouse listing of Ryan’s really will a nightmare to sell. I can’t imagine paying millions for a house like that, surrounded by laundromats and kabob shops. Why did the owners upgrade it so much, they’ve really priced it right out of the neighborhood?

Excellent point R206! Ryan really does light up like a Christmas tree around Luis, never his beard. And R208, that's what I've been saying from day one! I've often said that Ryan strikes me as the gayest out of all of them-- even Fredrik. Which is what makes his bearding all the more preposterous. I also think that some people are confused about Steve... I don't think he accidentally "knocked up" an escort. I think he specifically CHOSE an escort because he needed someone he could have an actual CONTRACT with to be his beard and provide him with a child. So it's not like Steve had a "slip up" like a lot of straight men, where they "accidentally" get a woman pregnant. I know that's what's Steve is PRETENDING happened, but I don't believe it for a minute. Steve isn't flaming like Ryan, but there are subtle (even not-so-subtle) give aways that he's gay... how he dresses (the endless scarves), the pert lip expression he does all the time, and of course, how HE lights up around whatever attractive male driver he has (like Bradley Cooper last season). I don't believe any STRAIGHT man with his money and looks would EVER involve himself with a cheap whore like this, except he's NOT straight and he couldn't get a NORMAL beautiful woman to participate in a SHAM!!!!! I've always believed that Ryan, on the other hand, found a closeted gay woman to have a mutual bearding with. She also came from a very wealthy family. So clearly Ryan is not NEARLY as stupid as choosing a beard as Steve.

It's just so odd what Steve has done. If he wanted nothing more than a baby factory, he could have done SO much better. How could he have picked someone so skanky? She's not even that pretty. Why didn't he find a stable, quiet, non fame-hungry American woman to pay? It just makes NO sense. And how can he not have a better sense of his public image? It's just insane

R212 Isn’t it odd , I cannot get my head around how he didn’t use protection with a total stranger ...She’s an escort been with everyone and anything..What was he thinking? Now he’s trying hard to save his image hiding and getting his PR team to spin the stories to media and magazine outlets...Nothing makes sense and all his stories just don’t add up ..And it also seems like his friends have all disappeared....I don’t see this messy situation ending well ..I think she’s after a green card ..Something seems off with this weird relationship...He doesn’t seem happy at all ..

R213... Steve didn't just "not use protection." That implies that he had sex with her and accidentally got her pregnant. Meanwhile, as R212 pointed out, this woman is NOT attractive. Why would he actually be having sex with her and wouldn't have picked a pretty woman to have sex with? Therefore, I think this is the best he could do when it came to picking a woman desperate enough for a green card so she'd just GO ALONG with what he wanted, including artificial insemination.

Worst most boring show on Bravo. 2nd only to that ugly Patty dating show.

Steve is on Watch What Happens Live tonight, looking sexy. Steve can’t seem to remember the story of how he met the hooker. That tramp Paulie Califiore is bartending tonight, wonder if they’ll fuck backstage.

R216 He can’t remember because he and his PR team have been telling to many stories..Steve’s a total mess , he just can’t keep his stories straight anymore , it’s sooooooo obvious . They can’t keep up with all the lying...He looked like fool taking it day by day means he’ll never marry this low class hooker escort...

Quietly awaiting Steve's collapse.

R218 That not far away he’s a total mess .. I guess when you have to start lying and covering up for a hooker ...At same stage you’ll fall apart and collapse... The truth about this non relationship is getting clearer and clearer...Definition he isn’t in love or happy...

R218. He looked like he was having a nervous breakdown.. He can’t get his stories straight..The meltdown is about to happen he looked uncomfortable...

Can someone post the shirtless pics from WWHL? He looks high.

Not surprised Steve is on the verge of a breakdown R218/R220... It's so ironic though, Steve being in the mess he's in with a hooker... all to cover up being GAY!!!! If he had just come out of the closet, rather than going down this terrible path, he'd be a lot happier! But it's like the Bravo stars just can't resist the urge to pretend they're straight. And it leads to disaster every time! Look at Luis... he's still just as big a basket case as ever! And now he's compounding it by pretending he was upset over a girl too!! It just never ends...

I wish they'd focus on the real estate and ditch the boring scripted personal dramas.

R223 We are about to see all of Steve personal hooker drama play out on national television..I don’t want to see it ..I heard enough of his lying pathetic drama on WWHL. Yeah he’s so in love with a paid hooker .We are taking it day by day ...oh please ..He’s so desperate and delusional..

Steve looked like shit on WWHL. His hair was awful. And he seemed totally bored, which made him totally boring. Was a fan before the show but not after.

R224, and why would a guy like Steve be DESPERATE except he's lying about his sexuality?! How else could a guy like him get himself into this big a mess?! It makes no sense whatsoever. What DOES make sense however, is that this was a bearding situation gone terribly wrong!! P.S. Bravo just posted some incredibly gay looking photos of Steve on Instagram if anyone is interested! LOL

R225 Steve looked totally bored and very messy and extremely stressed looking out WWHL . I’m waiting on his collapse..I guess when he’s getting slammed everywhere on his hooker/escort drama ..And trying to save face it’s taking its toll on him .. Andy was throwing shade at him “MAID IN MANHATTAN “ comment and “FOOLS GOLD “ Hell never marry this whore never ...

R227, the joke is, Andy probably knows better than ANYONE what Steve's TRUE sexual proclivities are!! After all, how do you think he got the job on MDLNY to begin with?! LOL

Hey Miss Steve Theeng henny

I will say I love Steve's body hair.

He's looking chunky in R229. Old pic? He's super lean these days

The pic is from this week's show. Time for cataract surgery grampy.

[quote]I will say I love Steve's body hair.

It looks so soft and silky.

How obliging of Steve to take his shirt off for the WWHL instagram pic.

He really comes off as a whiny asshole in person.

Does anyone know what brand Steve's shoes are? I love them. He has great style and he probably has the best chest hair I've ever seen. I didn't think he was gay but he really seemed gay on WWHL.

Steve is hotter than the sun, but I don’t think he’s going to age well.

He acted fey on WWHL.

Cancel these fools and give me a show about Derek painting naked.

I see this has turned into a Steve thread again, in my absence.

OMFG! Now LUIS is "having a baby (girl)" TOO?! I absolutely do not believe it. HOW?!?!?! This truly takes the cake! I thought it was bad enough with Steve, but now they are going to try and make it like Luis got a woman pregnant? With painted fingernails and all?! This show has officially gone off the rails!!!

This is all like a bad soap opera

I bet you - Luis is Ronita’s baby daddy - Watch!

R242, nope, Ronita already has a husband, so I'd love to see how they can spin it that way (although I wouldn't put it past them!!). But the fact that Luis is SO obviously crying about being gay, then made it like it was over a "girlfriend" and he has a baby on the way with another mystery figure (like Steve!), is just too much... Also, why would Luis come back looking gayer than ever, all to beard with this outrageous storyline?!

I know R243! Luis was flamin’ this episode. He s gayer than Fredrik at this point. Enough already!!!

R244, every year they get worse with the bearding... First with Ryan and Emilia, despite being flaming gay. Then we had Luis' nervous breakdowns, again, clearly because he's gay. Then we had to suffer thru Steve's terrible bearding debacle with the whore that somehow resulted in a baby. Now we have Luis coming back with painted nails, literally EVERYONE is expecting him to come out of the closet, and he's not only claiming to be "devastated" over some GIRL, but has a BABY ON THE WAY?! It's just the most outrageous thing ever. The only thing left for them to do is try to pass Fredrik off as straight next!

Fredrik's been out for way to long. I'm shocked they didn't try to beard the new gay, Tyler.

R240 OMFG ? Is right I’m totally over this shit show .. Steve’s messy hooker drama about to probably get worse..And now Luis having a baby girl...This is just a bad season all round...And I noticed bravo are finally giving Steve no airtime .Now that’s a bonus ..

R247, Steve is just not likable. Getting involved with an obvious escort/hooker (even if it was just for bearding) was the final straw for a lot of people.... While Luis is a lot more likable over all, I cannot BELIEVE this storyline. I mean it actually seems 100% made up. It also begs so many questions, like what did the producers of this show say to him? "Come back looking as GAY as possible, so we can give you a storyline about a 'girlfriend' and a baby on the way!" Where is the logic in this?

The only thing left to do is to make Fredrik "leave Derek" for a woman, and to say this Tyler queen is "straight" too (with a "girlfriend" and baby on the way, of course!).

R248 Steve will never be likeable not now after this plastic face so call gf which is an obvious escort/ hooker ..Which he wanted privacy but can’t say anything about her until he gets payed for his stories.in magazines.......Now we’ll all have to watch his messy pathetic lying ass on national television trying to say its some sort of love fairytale.The Producers of MDLNY should just urgently start editing him out unfortunately people don’t believe he is in love .. You could tell on WWHL he wasn’t interested in talking about her .... Now Luis , Who would’ve thought at the end luis would say he’s having a baby girl.. I can’t believe this show it’s going down hill fast it’s seems to be more about the cast members personal lives then real estate ..What are the producers doing? It’s a shit show ..

I literally thought Luis' storyline would be about him coming out. Now he has a baby on the way?! WTF?! Either this is yet an obvious bearding stunt or Luis is just so closeted and in denial that he went and got some woman pregnant just to prove to himself that he's not gay. Either way it's sad.

Are they going to reveal that Luis' kid was created with a turkey baster?

R251 The show should be renamed Million Dollar Turkey basters .. This show is beyond a joke it’s laughable now ..Luis getting some girl apparently pregnant...Steve gets some escort pregnant within a a month...WOW !! Steve’s parents must be thrilled ...Didn’t he whine he wants a relationship like his parents..I think it’s far from it ..

I think Bravo added a new gay agent to the cast because 1) Fredrik will probably move to LA sooner or later. Tyler will ptobably take over as the out gay agent when he leaves. 2) They know the potential for backlash with all these bearding stunts and IVF babies. By adding a new out gay agent they can pat get ahead of the backlash by claiming the rumors are not true, because they have several out gay agents now.

R252 If Luis is so in love.... WHERE is the fucking girlfriend? She has been notibly absent from his Instagram. Did he just pull her out of thin air? Shouldn't he be posting stuff with his supposed girlfriend on Insta if it's true that he's so in love? Like... why hide the relationship? This makes NO sense. I have a suspicion Luis looks up to both Fredrik and Ryan and he knows how it looks when he's the only one without a girlfriend or a baby, so voila... he went ahead and fixed himself both.

This show is a joke. I used to watch to perv on Steve. Now I watch for the car crash value. These "men" are lost little attention seeking children, full of shit and shit boring

R255 I can’t see this show finishing the season out .The ratings must be going down every episode, its a train wreck. Total joke producers should be sacked ..Absolute shit show ..Steve and his messy situation with the hooker he had a baby with after a month paying for he green card no doubt...Now Luis crying he is having a baby girl as well ..This show is shit ..

I don't give a fuck about Steve's storyline but the obviously gay Luis flouncing about with his painted nails and swishy walk and constant breakdowns claiming he got some bitch pregnant is the last straw. I've watched this for years but will not be from now on. I know most of reality TV is scripted but this is next level bullshit. Plus the whole bearding situation on a fucking Bravo show is pathetic and homophobic. Andy needs to be called out on this. And no I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly had Frederik dump Derek and run into the arms of a woman because all those years of being gay were a "mistake" or "some phase".

Luis has had WAY too much botulism. They're all a fucking mess.

Fred's apt. is so big I gave up on his tour.

This is GREED.

The show is produced by the very gay World of Wonder that also produces the extremely gay RuPaul's Drag Race. Why would they want to feature closeted gays?

It was the same with Bravo's RHOBH - all those women have a million gays around them, but the show puts them in the shadows most of the time.

You guys get wound up about this show every season. It is scripted "reality" and people mugging for the cameras. There is nothing real about it. I know people in real estate and this is not real estate.

Bravo knows their audience and so the show is written and edited in a way to appeal to that audience. Essentially gaybaiting. It's all really just smoke and mirrors. Some producer told Luis to paint his finger nails and his followers would go up and Luis did it.

R262, I honestly don't think that... I think Luis is just a crazy closet case who does these things (like painting his finger nails) as a cry for help. But this latest crap about him having a baby is absolutely unbelievable! And it's downright SICK when you think about it... all of these clearly gay men having children just to look straight and help them stay in the closet!! It's like USING innocent babies as props. Obviously Fredrik is out and genuinely wanted kids for years, but with the others, it's like they had the kids just to "prove" they are straight. Meanwhile, the ONLY thing they proved, was that a whole lot of people have children artificially these days!! Case in point-- Ryan did not even HIDE the fact that he didn't get Emilia pregnant!

[Quote]I think Luis is just a crazy closet case who does these things (like painting his finger nails) as a cry for help.

THIS. Luis is screaming out for help from someone so he can finally accept his sexuality. There is only a few ways to look at this: Luis is either 1) lying, made up a girlfriend and baby that doesn't exist, or 2) Luis is so deeply in denial that he went and got himself a girlfriend and got her pregnant so he could feel "normal" and have his perfect heterosexual life or 3) Luis knows he is gay but got himself a beard because of his public image and career and TPTB probably agreed or even encouraged it.

Actually, I'm not sure TPTB is behind this. I think Luis is so messed up that he probably went ahead with this brilliant idea by himself. The producers are shading him all the time, they are free to edit Luis however they want, yet they choose to include people commenting on his nails and clothes and when Luis talked about his imaginary girlfriend they showed a few pics of Luis from Instagram, with the girlfriend nowhere to be seen. All the shade has me thinking the producers know what's up and is shading him hard because everyone can see the big pink elephant in the room. So yeah, I think Luis did this all by himself, he is in deep denial. He knows he's gay deep down but is probably conflating it with something bad and suppressing it. He sees what Ryan is doing so he's doing the same thing. He wants his perfect heterosexual life. Just wait until 10 years from now when he finally comes to terms with his sexuality, only then he'll be trapped in a loveless marriage with one or more kids. He's probably cheating on his wife with a number of guys. I've seen this happening so many times before. I just wish Luis would see a gay friendly therapist and come to the bottom of this. He just needs SOMEONE to say to him that maybe he is gay and it's ok. People will continue to love him. There is no need to hide behind a girlfriend. He's just ruining another life, actually two if there really is a baby on the way.

R254 Either way, Luis is a pathetic piece of shit.

R266 I seriously don't know what to think of him, I'm both sorry for him and angry at him at the same time. IF this really is a bearding arrangement, then yeah, fuck him. If however he's in denial and is doing this to hide his sexuality, then I just feel sad for him.

What's sick is that all of these deeply closeted, fucked up men are bringing kids into the world who will have to deal with having THAT for a parent!!! And if what R265 says is true, that they are basically copy-catting each other by having babies to cover up their gayness, that is REALLY sick. In fact, I've never seen or heard of anything like this!! Yes, maybe with celebs like Tom Cruise and John Travolta, but not one after the other like this...

R268 And all this is happening on Bravo. Courtesy of one of the gayest production companies in the country. Let that sink in.

Luis is so gay

Maybe the girl will "tragically" lose the baby.

Is being a NYC Real Estate Broker an especially GAY profession?

R272, apparently! And yes R269... I don't understand how this is happening on Andy Cohn's watch...

Steve got nervous on WWHL when Andy asked him how he met his Baby Mama. He came up with some lame ass story. None of it makes a bit of sense.

They're ALL gay/bi, and nothing more than glorified used car salesmen.

I've been around many guys like Luis in my life, constantly looking me up and down in private, and patting me on the ass. Guys like him are creepy and gross.

It all seems to retro ..I went to college in the 80's and was a closet case. I'm sure at least 3 or 4 of my friends were gay or bi and all are married with kids. One finally came out at 51!

Fredrik's new protege, Jordan, is straight. Just a bit femmy, but a confirmed pussyhound.

R276 LOL!

R276, thanks for mentioning Jordan I forgot about him.... another flamer pretending to be straight! A year or two ago they showed Jordan saying he had a Tinder date and I swear Fredrik said something to him like, "with a woman?" Like even HE couldn't believe Jordan's attempt to beard!! LOL

Jordan is straight. He will sue you for perjury and deflowering his character.

I didn't start watching until Steve came on, so thankfully missed Luis the first time around. If I wanted to watch an overgroomed whimpering midget go into meltdown mode every episode, I'd be happy with his return. As such, I am not.

Holy shit real estate in NYC seems to be dominated by gay men hahaha this is fucking hilarious.

It is the same in DC...tons of gays in real estate.

R281, but why are all of the NY ones clearly gay, yet in the closet? Yes, there are exceptions (Fredrik, etc), but this latest attempt at bearding Luis is outrageous!

One thing I've noticed, is that even a lot of the fraus on social media KNOW that something is "off" with this whole Luis situation-- not to mention Steve's. But they go along with it reluctantly because a lot of people can't conceive of THIS level of lying/bearding. They just assume that they "got it wrong" and that they're really straight. I even remember some people used to comment on social media about Ryan being gay, even after bearding with Emilia. But they were quickly silenced... And since then, he's gotten even MORE flaming (if possible!) because he has the safety net of his beard.

These episodes would have been filmed last fall or winter, so shouldn’t this Luis mystery baby have been born by now? Certainly we would have heard about it on social media.

R285, yes! It's very strange the way Luis has deleted ALL of his Instagram posts and there are ZERO posts of this baby or alleged "girlfriend." The whole thing stinks to high heaven!!

This thread is hilarious. So much hand wringing and speculating about absolute nobodies. Oh, sorry: nobodies who appear on the teevee.

R285 It was hilarious how the producing team shaded Luis by showing Instagram pics of... himself, while he was talking about his love for his "girlfriend" and the baby is still nowhere to be seen. At first I was happy to have Luis back, stupid me for thinking he had changed and that he finally was going to come out. Boy, was I wrong. He's more of a headcase than ever. He needs some serious therapy. I'm not sure getting back into real estate was a good idea considering where his head is at. He should have taken more time off to deal with his mental issues.

Mental health issues*

Im glad that Luis has found his soulmate and is going to be a father, congrats!

Like I posted before, Luis' gf will tragically miscarry.

R291, being that it's all imaginary, at least no one will be harmed in the process! LOL

I only watch this for Steve Gold's bare chest. Could not care less about closet case Luis and his fictional baby. Done.

This really is looking more and more like a fictional baby for Luis... Either totally made up, or maybe he even decided to adopt a teenage mom's baby or something? But there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL he got a woman pregnant-- none! I couldn't believe the amount of EMPHASIS put on his painted nails in tonight's episode... absolutely outrageous! Literally one of his lines is, "We need to cancel the open house. I didn't have time to get a manicure!" And yet we are supposed to believe he is NOT gay?! This truly makes ALL their other ridiculous storylines PALE by comparison... Even Steve's fake relationship with this hooker who agreed to have a baby for him!! Btw, does anyone notice the way Steve NEVER actually sees or is with this woman?! It's a pretty big clue they are NOT actually together!!

We had a HUGE laugh about Luis tonight! He is obviously GAY! I believe the baby is fake too (just like the "girlfriend" who broke his heart).

Steve has more chemistry with the friend who rented him the apartment than he does with his girlfriend! Also, she seemed to be pulling away and kept her face turned (she gave him cheek) when he was trying to kiss her in the video! Either she is gay, involved with someone else in London or not that into him - outside of the money/green card (which doesn't make sense because Steve is HOT!). Anyway, not buying what he's selling! He is 33, his sister is mentally disabled, his parents wanted a grandchild and he felt the "traditional" (lol) route would make them happy. This will not end well.

Anybody knows the ratings MLDNY is getting ? It must be good because they keep renewing it.

R295, I thought that too about Steve and the "friend." I also think Steve's parent's desire for a grandchild is what prompted this hideous mess!!! Beggars can't be choosers. And while Steve is no "beggar" by the looks of it, the problem is, he wanted a woman he could have a business transaction with basically... so that made his options very slim, even though under NORMAL circumstances they wouldn't be! I just don't believe for one second that Steve "fell" for this whore with blown-up lips and in general, a face full of horrific plastic surgery!!

Luis is just a pitiful mess. I have never seen anything like this... No one asks Luis WHY his nails are suddenly so important to him? And most gay men do not paint their nails, so why is Luis taking things a step further? Just to emphasize his gayness and/or "cry for help"?

Also, did anyone catch the way Ryan didn't seem to "know" that his beard was using a huge pregnancy pillow in her bed at night? Clearly he only just noticed this because he HAD to be in her bedroom, as cameras were there!! It's obvious though that they sleep in separate rooms and pretend (poorly, I might add) that they sleep together. It reminds me of the time Emilia didn't know what kind of underwear her own husband wore!! There are often dead give-aways of their phony relationship too. Although at this point, it is getting hard to keep all the lies straight. But to sum it up, everyone on this show is gay and are not only having beards, but BABIES as well!!

I'm glad Luis has finally found the right girl and is going to be a father, congrats!

I can’t believe the shit that Steve is trying to sell ..Who has cameras around asking personal questions to move in together...How stages and fake .. is he trying to sell this this relationship for her visa immigration status...it sure seems that way .Didnt she want privacy , and she’s art consultant... What a load of Bullshit ...

I’m fascinated with this show pretty much because I can’t believe they’re all running away from being their gay selves. It’s beyond ridiculous. These guys have absolutely no reason to remain closeted, yet....

I can’t stop watching.

R296, ratings are pretty good.

Last week, it finished 21st in the Thursday ranking of 150 cable shows. Pulled in 870k viewers, and a healthy number in the female demo.

R301 I’m sure because Luis is back he is the favourite people wanted to see how he’s doing now ....Definitely not because of Steve’s escorts mess ..It was staged and fake and her dog in that apartment while his was asking her to move in with him is even more stupid....Because of quarantine issues the dog has to stay at least three months..So She already move in with him in August..He needs to stop playing games on national tv ..trying to make this look like his in love with a hooker ..

I think Steve missed out on a very big part of Luiza occupation...He some how forgot to mention she’s an escort..so obvious ..When he was asking her to move in on MDLNY that was so cringe worthy so fake ....She didn’t think twice about it all jumped at the chance..But Little did he no what was installed for him she was already pregnant and he didn’t even now ..She had already laid the trap for him ....

Steve might be bisexual or straight-ish, I dont doubt that, one thing I know for sure is that he's a hoe and he's not ready to settle.

Lyuis looks awful, so thin and drawn

Sorry, meant Luis

R306 So glad someone else noticed! I said that in my reply above. Luis is so skinny, he doesn't look healthy. Wonder why...

Blame the aids.

R308... I was thinking this too. Luis really is starting to look like someone who has aids, and I've certainly seen my share to know! His legs are like actual toothpicks... And R303 might be on to something... What if they (Bravo) chose this whore to beard Steve with NOT KNOWING she was pregnant!!! That would really be rich... the kid looking NOTHING like him!! So we'll see. But I don't believe he "fell" for her and REALLY got her pregnant for a second. It's one of the fakest storylines ever!! Second only to this rubbish about Luis having a baby!! Notice how he wouldn't say HOW! Like why would it be a national secret? And why are there ZERO pics of this baby anywhere, when the child must be born and is already several months old! That's if it even EXISTS in the first place!!

It was ridiculous having Luis throw his weight around with his former assistant, who has taken the ball and run with it regarding the real estate business. If I were her, I would have told him to start something new of his own. He was gone for two years and thinks he can just waltz in and take over? And that's aside from being a screaming mimi obsessed with his stupid nail polish.

I'm watching the episode now and omg.... Luis is so full of shit. He literally says he is having a baby girl, then when people asks who the mother is he says "it's a story for another day". The reason he's not saying how they met or who she is or even what her name is, is because she is not real. She's only real in his head. The guy is GAY. As in G-A-Y. The only way he's having a baby is by using a turkey baster, like Ryan and Steve 😂

I'm watching the episode now and omg.... Luis is so full of shit. He literally says he is having a baby girl, then when people asks who the mother is he says "it's a story for another day". The reason he's not saying how they met or who she is or even what her name is, is because she is not real. She's only real in his head. The guy is GAY. As in G-A-Y. The only way he's having a baby is by using a turkey baster, like Ryan and Steve 😂

[Quote]Steve might be bisexual or straight-ish, I dont doubt that, one thing I know for sure is that he's a hoe and he's not ready to settle.

Nailed it. Steve comes across as very sexual, a guy who likes to fuck, whether male or female. He has a ton of chemistry with men and it's suspicious that he only has young, hot male drivers. But I also could see him being into women (as opposed to most Dataloungers who think Steve is fully gay). Though yes, like you said he's clearly not ready to settle down. On the other hand it's obvious both Luis and Ryan are fully gay. Ryan is way too transparent with his wife beard and his IVF baby. Luis... well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a guy who paints his nails is gay. I'm still not convinced Luis' baby is even real.

Did anyone notice how Luis reacted when that woman was talking about someone she knew committed suicide? I think Luis is sick but can't say what it is.

Very little Fredrik this week. Hopefully he is intentionally distancing himself from the other three. Looks like he's headed to Miami.

Every time the wife calls Ryan "Puffer", I throw up in my mouth a little.

She's an eastern european 'art consultant', so apparently that's euphemism for prostitute.

That woman should've said to Luis, "You're obviously a suicidal, closeted weirdo. I'm going to take my business elsewhere."

No, not Miami.

R315 I don't think he will be involved as much because he moved to LA.

Frederick now lives in Calif. not Miami

Fredrik plastic surgeon must be really good.

I think Steve is lying in that episode about Luiza being an art consultant..That occupation isn’t enough for her to get a visa and be able to stay in NYC ...She had a shell company created the day steve went to London saying she was a consultant..I think Luiza was a setup all along for him to have a girlfriend..And it’s backfired badly on him with the pregnancy she consealed from him ..No trying to make out it’s some sort of fairytale love story .. I smell a rat ....Definitely covering up her past it’s been going on for months..And all their baby photos are staged in magazines..I think he was blindsided and can’t get out of the mess his in ..This isn’t going to end well if he keeps up lying....

He's so deep in lies that at this point he'll just keep lying, I doubt he'll tell the truth at this point.

If I recall correctly, Luis said on camera that his daughter was due to be born "in a couple (maybe he said 2) months." This was taped months ago. So where the fuck is the kid?

Luis is so fucking dumb, posting his mental illness online now people are not gonna want to do business with him. There's a reason you keep those things between you and your therapist.

The potential buyers of this multi-million dollar apartment will arrive any minute which means that now is a good time for you to paint my fingernails.

R326, that's what I was thinking!! It's like not ONE of the people on this show has the first clue of how NORMAL people have children. They just don't get it because they're ALL GAY!!! Ryan and his beard went thru IVF (and artificial insemination, obviously), Fredrik created his kids thru an EXTREMELY expensive selective gene process (in order to get the girl to look like him, and the boy like Derek), Steve probably wanted to give his parents a grandchild so he haphazardly hired this prostitute, and now Luis is talking about a baby that literally might not even exist!! He is not even at the stage where he's admitting to a woman carrying it!! I have never seen anything like this. It's so distracting and absurd, this show is basically not about real estate anymore. Instead real estate is just a prop, while the REAL story is about these closeted gay men, their beards, and the outrageous lengths they go to in order to have children!

Did anyone see tonight's shambles (I mean "episode")? A 2 year old couldn't have been fooled by that "disguise" of Steve's!! And Luis' nails were once AGAIN the focus... that and a bit where he asked for "eye cream" too... It's honestly like Luis is trying to act as GAY as humanly possible, yet pretend he is straight with a mystery baby on the way!! It makes no sense whatsoever.

Are they really going to introduce a new gay to the cast next week?

How pathetic are Steve’s scenes ? The undercover fat suit like WTF was that about ? Anybody could tell it was him what a joke .. That was just a mega fail ..He always seems to be trying to sell friends apartments with great fail , Dan this season last season Sam ..Steve always seems to be strung out always his eyes rolling around everywhere....This show is failing miserably this season Steve is just a mess ...And apparently there’s a lot more to come with his escort Gf mess ..

"Puffer...what's going on? Puffer...Puffer..."

R332, Steve is always making a very GAY pert face too. Like he thought he was real clever with that ridiculous disguise! And yes R333, the endless "puffer" BS between Ryan and his beard is enough to make anyone sick. There is literally ZERO chemistry between Ryan and his "wife." It has always been painfully obvious that she is a beard, and that they are bearding for each other. Although Steve's mess with a prostitute beard tops Ryan's situation by a lot!!

Also, I am not looking forward to this "queen" they're introducing in the next episode. He is like a caricature of a gay man... totally obnoxious! I honestly don't know WHY they are bothering with this guy too... They already have 4 guys on this show with Luis back (although he's more like a girl at this point), why drag in another, even MORE obnoxious one?!

R334. I can’t believe Steve thinks he’s actually in love with this prostitute ..I thought he wanted privacy.but I think he’s actually embarrassed he has been called out on all his lies...But in actual fact people are saying she trapped him for a green card...if they’re aren’t married and she doesn’t work how can she stay in America.? It sounds like it’s a fraud case to me , this could be why he’s so secretive about her ..I think Steve is putting on a big act to save face ...He’s reputation is in ruins..

R335, I don't believe Steve was ever "in love" with this prostitute to begin with! I think he wanted to give his parents a grandchild, yet he wasn't about to go out and get a REAL, NORMAL girlfriend, so he got mixed up with this foreign whore! Why else would he choose HER out of ALL the beautiful American women all around him in NYC? It makes ZERO sense. The only reason he picked her, is because he needed an "arrangement." I actually know of other gay men who have done this... when they wanted kids, they offered a desperate woman $$$ in order to have one! So this is not the first case I've seen like this and that's what it reeks of.

You queens who keep going on and on about Ryan and Steve going through all this trouble to stay closeted: this isn’t pre-2000. Why would they be closeted in this day and age?

R337, have you seen how obviously gay they are though?

R338 yes, and?

R339, R337 seemed to be confused, as if why would ANYONE be closeted in this day and age? Meanwhile, the reason doesn't even matter. It's just so clear they're gay that I don't know why people make it like only us "queens" on here could think that. Literally EVERYONE I know thinks that if they've seen the show at all! Well, except some of the fraus who post on their social media, lapping all their lies up!!

Bringing Luis back was a huge mistake. Such bullshit drama over a whiny, fey midget. Who fucking cares?

So Steve is now into lame comedy routines. I would have thought he was way above donning that ridiculous disguise, but I also thought he wouldn't have gotten involved in the tangled web of deceit that involves his trout-mouthed "love interest" and the case of the mysteriously appearing baby. I've lost all interest in him.

Steve is so good looking but he's such a head case that he's only good for a one night stand at this point. Who wants all this drama in their life ?

Luis is emaciated. Hair thinning. Over-botoxed. A not-so-hot mess

Steve is SOOOOOOOOO uncomfortable in his own skin. It only makes him human, but he's fighting it so hard. Dude needs to have a breakdown and get it over with.

Datalounge used to Slobber all over Luis but now that he’s got earrings and painted fingernails, he’s a “whiny, fey midget.”

Never change, Datalounge!

Because Luis was a hot man, now he looks like he's about to transition. Since most of the users here are gay men, it's understandable why we wouldn't be attracted to Luis anymore.

Luis was always an annoying midget with bad hair, he just has less of it now (and it’s no longer shellacked with 12 layers of Aqua Net).

Have never found Luis attractive at all.

Have always found Steve to be very attractive, even before the show. But now that's he's hooked up with a sketchy trout mouth and is playing the buffoon with the fat suit, I no longer have any interest in him.

R348. That’s exactly what Luiza is a sketchy trout-mouth ? Nothing more than broke ass escort that laid the trap fast ..Nobody has respect for him anymore not even his inner circle of friends. This will not end well for him ..Did she get her green card yet ? Everything about all of this reeks of fraud.. Her shell company was made the week he meet her so suspicious , she was for the show and it backfired on him now his backpedaling and trying to save face ..

I can't watch this mess. Is Luis officially gay yet?

[quote] Have never found Luis attractive at all.

In the first few seasons, Luis was a spicy little hot pocket. Way back when he was easily the only fuckable guy on the show. Now he's a wreck.

Pobrecita...

I'm happy for Luis. Congrats on finding a girl and being a father.

R352, nice joke! LOL But no R350, Luis is STILL pretending to be straight, despite LOOKING so much gayer!!! Then to top it off he made up some story about a "girlfriend" and he's going to have a mystery baby (which should be born already, but there is ZERO evidence of).

Who would have thought a show about high-end real estate in NYC would be so fucking boring to have to resort to such manufactured drama? And manufactured personalities? Love him or hate him, Fredrik at least lives his life openly. Ryan and Steve seem completely artificial and their situations contrived. Now, adding Luis and the new guy to the mix is just tragic. Can't believe anyone would be a fan of these ridiculous people.

R354, and what I don't get is, why is the manufactured drama ALWAYS about taking obviously gay men and pretending they are straight? Why is it NEVER anything else? And to have Luis come back, looking and acting gayer than EVER before, only to STILL try and pretend he's straight was really the last straw in my book!

YET, we will all be watching the trainwreck again tomorrow!

I can't stop watching, laughing and complaining about the absurdity of it all, while looking at Steve's hot ass.

Nope, gave it up already. Skipped last week after seeing the preview of Steve in the fat suit. Completely stupid and ridiculous

I don't get all the Luis hate on here.

Frederik is the only interesting person on that show. He is quite intelligent, very clever, behind that eccentric personality he displays. Love the way he dresses. Not afraid to live openly.

Puffer Ryan reminds me of all the wise ass frat boys I knew in college. If it is all an act to cover the gay, he is really a case. Luis? He is a bit pathetic. One day he will come out.

R357 That was pathetic I can’t believe how this show is derailing so quickly..Every episode of Steve’s is a disaster.. I can’t watch anymore he’s a complete disaster and a mess ......I saw somewhere the next episode the whore is moving in to his apartment..I mean is even going to mention she’s pregnant like 5 months ? The fake relationship is his narrative he wants people to believe he’s actually in love with an escort...But in actual fact he’s saving face because he’s embarrassed he got played ....He’ll never marry this escort.....

R360, and the joke is, this whole mess with the escort was to cover up him being gay! Yet look at how badly the whole thing backfired!! And I agree, R359... I've known tons of closet cases like Ryan. The "puffer" stuff is sickening. There is ZERO chemistry between him and his beard. And there are always lots of clues they don't actually have sex or even sleep in the same bedroom! Just watch-- there have already been several just this season!

Tyler just might be the worse one yet. Even though they aren't bearding him because he actually ADMITS to being gay, he is literally a walking stereotype of a gay man, and he represents WHY so many people have unfavorable views of gays!! I suppose the only good thing I have to say about him so far, is that he's actually out of the closet! Why doesn't Luis join him?!?! He's fucking painting his nails and STILL in the closet... INSANE!

Also, Steve's beard is an actual horror show. She has a hideously ugly plastic surgery face. And it is painfully obvious that Steve decided to use her as a beard because he needed a woman who would be a sperm receptacle for him in exchange for $$$ and a green card! What's so insulting is how Steve acts as though he had to IMPORT this whore... as if none of the beautiful women in NYC were "good enough" for him! Please! He could SPIT and hit a better looking woman... one without a blown up whore face! This woman was also clearly a prostitute before she cut this deal with Steve... she REEKS of it. Then they made up this ruse about her having an "art gallery." Someone else said this earlier on this thread, and also pointed out how they made her delete her Instagram and start over with a new one. I certainly believe it. LOTS to cover up about Steve's paid beard whore, no doubt!!

Oh, and I forgot to add that Tyler must have fucked his way on to this show thru Andy Cohen... Andy's new lover perhaps? Because seriously they did not need ONE more gay man on this program. They already had 4 with only 1 out of the closet. So now we have 5 with 2 out of the closet!! But there is no room for all these men... why not just go back to the original 3? It was a much better show that way... back when Luis was even SEMI sane and wore suits!! I also miss Ryan back when he wasn't bearding too. Fredrik's relationship is still the only authentic one on the show... And I loved the part at the end where Derek goes, "I'm not happy here." So Fredrik IMMEDIATELY buys a mansion in Beverly Hills for him!! Unbelievable!! As if Fredrik wasn't doing enough as it is, working day and night to support his finger painting!! Fredrik is an AMAZING fucking husband and anyone would be LUCKY to be married to him!! That's all.

I love fredrik but he signed up for this when he married a good looking starving artist, also the guy plays the wife role by being at home and taking care of the home while fredrik works, that's just how it goes.

[quote]So Fredrik IMMEDIATELY buys a mansion in Beverly Hills for him!! Unbelievable!! As if Fredrik wasn't doing enough as it is, working day and night to support his finger painting!!

He's got to keep him somehow.

& no wonder Derek is feeling unsatisfied and deals with this by asking for more, including that old cliché of moving from New York to L.A.

Their whole relationship is based on buying the latest big thing. Who didn't see that coming?

I thought tonight’s show was pretty boring.

What do you expect after 8!! seasons?

They've wrung this thing dry.

R366 What do mean ? I thought it was horror show ! I tuned in and saw a plastic surgery nightmare...Like WTF was that ? Steve’s escorts baby mama... WTF ........That Guy has lost the plot and that was planned after 30 days of dating...Is he nuts ? something is way off with this drama ....

R368, Not only that, but that baby looks NOTHING like Steve either. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else here got it right when they said that they bearded Steve up with this whore, NOT KNOWING she was already pregnant!!! Because seriously, go to Instagram and LOOK at the pics of this baby. There is literally ZERO Steve in this child. So now I'm wondering if he didn't even have her artificially inseminated, but instead she WAS already inseminated-- by someone else!!

Steve doesn't ping for me. Ryan maybe and certainly Luis but not Steve.

R371, then your gaydar is broken! Because it's really obvious to me that he is. Between the endless scarves around his neck and that "cat who ate the canary" face he always puts on. Plus his voice is another "tell." Not as gay as Ryan's, mind you, but close.

Poor 363, thinks everything that bad on tv is Andy Cohens fault. Andy has nothing to do with this show, it belongs to Bravo and Andy only works for Bravo as well

[quote]Andy has nothing to do with this show

UM....

Ryan with the costumes...painful to watch. And moron Steve thought he was a pirate!

This is kinda tinhatty of me, but I have a few theories as to why they added Tyler to the cast: 1. They knew Steve's girlfriend would be controversial, adding a new cast member takes the heat off Steve 2. I'm sure TPTB is aware of the rumors about Steve, Luis and Ryan being closeted and bearding up. Adding a new cast member is basically them saying, hey, see, we're not homophobic, we now have two openly gay agents! 3. I'm convinced Fredrik will eventually leave the show, there is no way he will be able to commute between LA and NY forever, so Tyler will take his spot as the openly gay agent. I think this season is basically testing the waters to see how well he will be received by the viewers.

Steve: oh dear, his girlfriend is so fake. She looks like a barbie doll. Gross. I can't imagine she'll be popular among the viewers. Say what you want about Emilia, but she seems more "real" and "relatable". That's why the fraus like her so much, despite the relationship with Ryan being obviously fake.

Speaking of Ryan; another tell sign of him being gay is the fact that he loves dressing up. I wouldn't be surprised if he does drag in private. The biggest gay tell sign is obviously that he doesn't have sex with his wife though, lol. The baby being conceived through IVF, him not knowing his wife sleeps with a pregnancy pillow etc.

Luis was notably absent from this episode, wonder why? Hm, having FIVE agents might be a bit too much!

R371 is talking to himself. Nurse, get the Haldol stat!

R376, yes you're spot on about Ryan! He acts like EVERYONE likes to dress up. No, it's just you and other gays Ryan!! You're also spot on about Steve's beard not being likable. She is horrible in every way. And good point, R375... about them bringing a new openly gay guy on to take the focus off all the closeted ones!! There is no doubt in my mind that Steve and Luis had babies in a last stitched attempt to prove they are straight-- Ryan too! And of course none of them actually had to put their dicks in a vagina to get one!! LOL

What is your point 373?

Steve's "girlfriend" looks like a Gelfling

What happened to Luis' Instagram? No posts?! WTF?!

Steve's "girlfriend's" face...Wow. A straight man would've made a different choice. They look very odd together.

We get a peek at Luis' baby mama in the previews. There's a shot of them walking with the stroller. Skinny Spanish girl. Penelope Cruz type.

I like Tyler! BIG difference between fat and skinny.

R382, So true! No straight man would have picked that hatchet-faced whore! And Luis' "baby mama" never had sex with him to create that baby-- you can be sure! Luis probably wanted a kid and had her artificially inseminated like everyone else on this show. I never dreamed anyone would go to these lengths in order to look straight. But every year, they just get worse and more desperate.

First of all, I agree that Luis is more than likely gay and for whatever reason (probably family related) he is not coming out. If that's what he needs to get through the day and keep his family, then more power to him. It's silly, but I'm not walking in his shoes.

But a lot of you seem to be hung up on the nail painting as some sure sign that he sucks cock. Maybe because I live in a college town and around a lot of hipsters, but I see a lot of guys with their fingers and toe nails painted (mostly hipsters). They're usually painted black, but I've seen some random colors pop up. I'm not sure if painted nails is the smoking gun in this case.

Steve's new apartment is in the same building as the apartment that Ariana bought for her and Pete Davidson. Sting and Trudie Styler also live in the building. It has its own IMAX theater exclusively for residents.

How in the world can he afford such a place? Does he really make that much money selling real estate?

I wonder if Steve jacks-off in the window for all the hot boys walking on the Hi-Line?

R386: That apt is $16K a month! I haven't seen that much in Steve's commissions. I guess Bravo is paying the rent.

R387, was thinking the same thing! That, or one of Steve's many wealthy gay male "friends."

R387 must be Steve's accountant.

This Tyler boy was fat before ? So he was on the show before ? I had no idea.

About Steve, according to the internets (and take this with a grain of salt) his net worth is estimated between 5-10 million dollars which means if it's true I suppose he'd be able to afford a 16k rent.

Everybody knows she's a prostitute holy shit. How embarrassing.

R391, more embarrassing still-- that baby looks NOTHING like him. It's clearly not his kid. Look it up if you don't believe me! He's paying for this whore's kid, all in a pathetic attempt to look straight!!

Steve's new place is awesome. Plenty of room the stash the wooden crate from which contained his mail-order bride.

Did everyone stop watching?

Yes

Last night's episode was horrible. I can barely stand to watch Steve's beard... she is frightening to look at! And it's SO ridiculous to think that this plastic surgery ridden skank was the best Steve could do! He didn't find ONE other girl in the entire country attractive?! It's so obvious he needed a desperate foreigner who would take his $$$ in exchange for a FAKE relationship (and baby too-- that's if it's even HIS!). But watching him act "happy" about this "mail order bride" having his baby is nauseating at best. It was bad enough watching someone as flaming as Ryan beard with Emilia. But now they all have to have babies too?! It's too much...

R396 I couldn’t believe the gender reveal how ridiculous nobody there but the film crew and Pablo and her pathetic mutt ..He didn’t even look happy , this is so odd and pathetic...He doesn’t look comfortable at all with her ....I think she is just a paid baby mama...Her plastic surgery is horrific way over done ..I remember him having that date and at the end saying she had too much done ...Is he for real look at who he had a baby with an escort low class plastic surgery nightmare....

R397, I remember that too! How Steve went out with some hideous woman with a ton of plastic surgery last year. And now this year he's actually having a kid with one who's EVEN WORSE?! It's mind boggling. You wonder how Bravo comes up with these things... I mean, how could ANY of the things on this show happen naturally? Steve didn't "fall in love" with this hooker and get her pregnant. Luis (with painted nails and all) ALSO did not get some woman pregnant! What's next, trying to beard this new "out" one (Tyler)?! At the rate they're going, I would not be surprised, even though he has already ADMITTED he is gay!!

Last night’s show was worse than usual — it seemed even more scripted than usual.

It’s hard to explain, but I just felt really annoyed watching conversations that were so far from realistic and organic that I was smh. If every show is scripted to death, then it must be that the acting is getting worse. The conversations about the listing prices, accepting less, demanding more, etc. — there’s no way to believe that’s at all how the deal went down. Those conversations are worthless.

And Ryan with the guy who hired him to sell a ton of places — does anyone believe the guy really was close to firing him?

The show has become a trainwreck.

Last night’s show was worse than usual — it seemed even more scripted than usual.

It’s hard to explain, but I just felt really annoyed watching conversations that were so far from realistic and organic that I was smh. If every show is scripted to death, then it must be that the acting is getting worse. The conversations about the listing prices, accepting less, demanding more, etc. — there’s no way to believe that’s at all how the deal went down. Those conversations are worthless.

And Ryan with the guy who hired him to sell a ton of places — does anyone believe the guy really was close to firing him?

The show has become a trainwreck.

R400 The producers of the show need to rethink about all the scenes they are giving Steve ...I don’t think anyone in there right mind are believing this plastic escort relationship for one minute...And why are they showing her over Luis ? The gender reveal with nobody there was a laughing stock..His family and friends I know hate her that’s evident now ... Bravo really should stop this he’s looking more and more foolish every week."....Who is trying to convince ? himself or the film crew ...Because his Instagram aren’t buying it , and his friends are all missing in action .....What a disaster.......

Jesus, that bad ? I haven't watched the latest episode but I already I'm gonna cringe.

Tonight’s show was just terrible.

Ryan was such an ass to Tyler!

Steve's "You're a grower, not a shower" comment to his driver: Yeah, he was talking about showing condos, but it still had a double entendre vibe to it...

I just fast forward to Fredrik's segments. You can see he has one foot out the door, now that his family is living on west coast. Steve, ugh, Ryan ugh ugh, Tyler uninteresting, Luis, pathetic. All this baby nonsense is too much.

Luis' friend giving birth was a bit - much. Also, how was the baby so clean after just being pushed out? At least he didn't lie and say she was his girlfriend.

None of these guys are believable or interesting.

Luis said he's not getting married “at this point.” LMAOOOOOOO. Steve is obnoxious beyond words. None of these guys really cares abou5 kids. Tyler is so fucking boring.

I’ll watch the rest of this season, but then I’m out.

Luis clearly struggles with some form of depression. If that is really his baby I am horrified. A baby is not treatment for manic depression and anxiety.

So Luis is moving to Puerto Rico for a year or two? What a basket case.

Of course, the whole series is a fucking trainwreck — all these gay guys with babies and having “relationships” with women they barely know. What a farce.