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Eldergays, tell me about John Saxon

I was watching "Black Christmas" the other night and it struck me how handsome he was. Was he considered hot back in the '60s–'70s? I was reading his filmography and saw he was in several major Hollywood films in his youth (i.e. "Portrait in Black") before he wound up doing exploitation stuff, which I'd not known before. I think he was extremely sexy—great features, a booming voice, and a nice hairy chest. Any fans?

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by Anonymousreply 202July 26, 2020 3:31 AM

Here's John apparently at age 75, so around 8 years ago now. From the looks of this, his body appears to be in great shape.

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by Anonymousreply 1May 30, 2019 8:22 AM

He starred with Esther Williams in The Unguarded Moment (1956) but the idea that John as a gorgeous high school football player would have no girlfriend and has to lust after Esther is ludicrous.

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by Anonymousreply 2May 30, 2019 8:31 AM

R1 Nice, but apparently he isn't doing to well now. I understand that he is suffering from Alzheimers.

by Anonymousreply 3May 30, 2019 8:32 AM

Where did you hear that R3? That's too bad if it's true. Alzheimer's is awful for everyone involved.

by Anonymousreply 4May 30, 2019 8:35 AM

A young John being "sworn in" at Universal Studios by Debbie Reynolds.

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by Anonymousreply 5May 30, 2019 8:36 AM

He was one of those discovered by the evil preditory hollywood agent Henry Willson at age 15 no less............his parents signed away permission fo him at age 15 to go off to hollywood unescorted and Willson was his benefactor. Whatever he went thru to attain a certain measure of fame and longevity in hollywood didnt seem to have any lasting negative effects.

by Anonymousreply 6May 30, 2019 5:00 PM

He was a hot piece of ass.

by Anonymousreply 7May 30, 2019 5:09 PM

Gayish? Trade?

by Anonymousreply 8May 30, 2019 5:16 PM

He does have Alzheimers, sadly enough. He and his wife moved into a retirement home a few years and ago and they held a film festival to honor him and his wife was answering all the questions for him about his career while he sat there looking a bit lost. It was sad.

He was in big demand at horror conventions for his roles in The Nightmare on Elm Street series, but is no long do them due to his condition.

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by Anonymousreply 9May 30, 2019 5:27 PM

Are you nuts, op? Who doesn’t know about Saxon and about how hot he was? Elm Street, Black Christmas, Enter the Dragon...he was in a ton of cult films. I met him about a decade or so ago at a convention, and he was a very sweet man. I got him to sign this photo for me (notice the VPL)....

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by Anonymousreply 10May 30, 2019 5:31 PM

Pubes...

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by Anonymousreply 11May 30, 2019 5:32 PM

Nancy's dad from A Nightmare on Elm Street and he was on Dynasty too!

by Anonymousreply 12May 30, 2019 5:54 PM

One of my favorite actors ever since I saw him in "The Girl Who Knew Too Much" in the late 60s under the title "Evil Eye".

It's sad to hear he has Alzheimer's. He seemed very sound in interviews in his mid 70s.

by Anonymousreply 13May 30, 2019 6:19 PM

Gorgeous

by Anonymousreply 14May 30, 2019 7:16 PM

Former Henry Willson "client"

by Anonymousreply 15May 30, 2019 8:07 PM

Real name Carmine Orrico from Brooklyn. According to Wikipedia and "The Man Who Invented Rock Hudson", Orrico signed with Willson at age 17, not 15. A late friend of mine swears that he discovered Carmine (or Carmen) on the beach in Brooklyn and he was his lover and that he introduced him to Henry Willson. This friend was a very effeminate former drag queen and opera singer. I think Saxon did what he had to to have a career.

Anyway, as an impressionable adolescent I saw him on TV in this failed pilot "Brave New World" with gay co-star Keene Curtis - Saxon wore a red toga that showed off his hairy chest. Even with the receding hairline, Saxon is HOT.

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by Anonymousreply 16May 30, 2019 8:34 PM

He's sexy and adorable as Sandra Dee's boy friend in one of his true A list films, 1958's The Reluctant Debutante, starring Rex Harrison, a fabulous Kay (Mrs. Harrison) Kendall and Angela Lansbury and directed by Vincente Minnelli.

Not to hijack his thread but that film is a must-see for DLers if they've never seen Kay Kendall, a brilliant beautiful comedienne who died far too young.

by Anonymousreply 17May 30, 2019 8:44 PM

John was quite a sexy DILF in the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 18May 30, 2019 9:18 PM

^indeed. He was totally hot in the cheese-tastic My Mom’s a Werewolf.

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by Anonymousreply 19May 30, 2019 9:27 PM

R18 he did the nighttime soap scene in the 80s, as a Prince on Dynasty (I think he slept with Joan Collins/Alexis) and as Lance Cumson's father, Tony, on Falcon Crest

He was also on the daytime soap Another World in 1985 I believe

And of course in the first and third A Nightmare on Elm Street film

by Anonymousreply 20May 30, 2019 9:30 PM

(R17) Kay Kendall was lovely. Wasn't she with Rex Harrison or something?

by Anonymousreply 21May 30, 2019 9:37 PM

Oh God R19, I thought I was the only person who remembered that movie.

by Anonymousreply 22May 30, 2019 9:52 PM

Kay Kendall was married to Rex Harrison between Lili Palmer and Rachel Roberts.

by Anonymousreply 23May 31, 2019 1:19 AM

He looks a little like Mark Consuelos in OP's picture.

by Anonymousreply 24May 31, 2019 2:37 AM

R16 I could swear he's an extra in one of the Central Park scenes in "It Should Happen To You," a delightful film.

by Anonymousreply 25May 31, 2019 3:21 AM

R2 George Nader is in that and can barely keep his hands off John.

by Anonymousreply 26May 31, 2019 6:29 AM

R16 was your late friend famous? If so, who was he?

by Anonymousreply 27May 31, 2019 7:00 AM

I think the pubes might be photoshopped in at R11. Maybe.

by Anonymousreply 28May 31, 2019 7:14 AM

Well, we were sitting at Chasens having ordered some chili. And I have to tell you their chili was not that good. But who went to Chasens to eat?

Tourists, that's who.

Wait, who are we talking about?

by Anonymousreply 29May 31, 2019 8:38 AM
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by Anonymousreply 30May 31, 2019 8:58 AM

OMFG, John Saxon is gorgeous in The Reluctant Debutante. He has absolutely no chemistry with Sandra Dee, but that's a minor detail. I actually love this movie. Angela Lansbury is fucking great, and of course Kay Kendall is perfection. She had leukemia but didn't know it, and Rex Harrison divorced his wife and married Kendall to take care of her during the last years of her life. Rather touching. If you're a Kay Kendall fan make sure you see her in Once More With Feeling, with Yul Brynner. This is her last movie, and she's luminous in it, and very, very funny.

by Anonymousreply 31May 31, 2019 9:05 AM

Saxon plays a kinky rogue soldier in "War Hunt."

by Anonymousreply 32May 31, 2019 9:42 AM

I saw Black Christmas for the first time a few weeks ago and I loved the scene where his character and a co worker are cracking up at the station.

I'm also pretty sure he plays a vampire in an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

by Anonymousreply 33May 31, 2019 1:26 PM

As a little gayling I saw him on Fantasy Island and I think his sexy daddy vibe sped up my puberty a bit.

by Anonymousreply 34May 31, 2019 2:27 PM

R33 yes he did play a vampire on S &H.

by Anonymousreply 35May 31, 2019 3:17 PM

Keir today.....

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by Anonymousreply 36May 31, 2019 3:31 PM

The suspense is.....

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by Anonymousreply 37May 31, 2019 3:36 PM

He was purdy.

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by Anonymousreply 38May 31, 2019 4:09 PM

[quote] I'm also pretty sure he plays a vampire in an episode of Starsky and Hutch.

I also could've sworn that he played a vampire on Amazing Stories and/or The Night Stalker. Or am I confusing him with Michael Nouri? I also remember that Richard Lynch played a vampire in several television shows and made for tv movies.

by Anonymousreply 39May 31, 2019 4:21 PM

He's hot in "Cry Tough."

by Anonymousreply 40May 31, 2019 5:12 PM

[quote]I think the pubes might be photoshopped in at [R11]. Maybe.

It’s real.

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by Anonymousreply 41May 31, 2019 6:03 PM

I've never considered him hot or been attracted to him.

But he's a good actor and ENTER THE DRAGON and NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET are two of my favorite films.

Two of the most iconic and beloved films of all time, too.

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by Anonymousreply 43May 31, 2019 6:11 PM

Saxon was also in NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 3: THE DREAM WARRIORS, which is considered the best Freddy movie of all time by many fans. Including me.

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by Anonymousreply 44May 31, 2019 6:15 PM

I remember a TV movie he was in where he was put on auction for women and had his shirt ripped open.

by Anonymousreply 45May 31, 2019 6:31 PM

Elm St 3 is great, but it has nowhere near the creep factor of the first film, where Freddy was truly his scariest.. I find it odd that many people prefer Dream Warriors.

by Anonymousreply 46June 1, 2019 1:25 AM

very lickable

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by Anonymousreply 47June 1, 2019 1:38 AM

Too bad he never posed for Playgirl a la Christopher George.

by Anonymousreply 48June 1, 2019 1:42 AM

I thought he was extremely handsome. He also did guest shot in the 5th season of MTM playing Phyllis's escort who dates Mary.

by Anonymousreply 49June 1, 2019 1:43 AM

I think he wore a lot of various toupees and hair pieces over his long career, but they were pretty good ones, unlike those sported by George Maharis and Burt Reynolds.

by Anonymousreply 50June 1, 2019 2:32 AM

I certainly can't say he's ugly or anything, he's certainly not, but at the same time he never did much for me. Maybe if he'd been a better actor?

by Anonymousreply 51June 6, 2019 8:10 PM

[quote]r21 Kay Kendall was lovely. Wasn't she with Rex Harrison or something?

Yes. Unfortunately she died from lukemia at age 32.

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by Anonymousreply 52June 6, 2019 8:35 PM

He was the Nazi that invaded Paradise Island on Wonder Woman and sparred with the Queen okayed by Carolyn Jones.

Captain Raydl in The Feminum Mystique parts 1 and 2

by Anonymousreply 53June 6, 2019 10:21 PM

Does anyone else get a sorta Zac Efron-ish vibe from him?

by Anonymousreply 54June 6, 2019 10:28 PM

ALl these "eldergays" threads are OBVIOUSLY started by eldergays. DUH

by Anonymousreply 55June 6, 2019 10:28 PM

I remember when the 1974 TV-Movie 'Planet Earth' came on and John Saxon made me dizzy to look at. >swoon<

DL Fave Diana Muldaur is also in this!

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by Anonymousreply 56June 6, 2019 10:28 PM

He looked damn good in that tight-fitting suit, R56. He always had a nice body, which I think made up for anything else. His face was attractive from some angles, not so much from others, but he had an undeniable handsomeness about him.

by Anonymousreply 57June 6, 2019 10:32 PM

R21, R23 That lanky comedienne Kay Kendall deserves her own thread.

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I have no opinion on Mr Carmine Orrico except that he was useful in those days when Hollywood needed people to play random ethnic people (David Lean wanted a German to play an Arab)

by Anonymousreply 58June 6, 2019 10:35 PM

He also had that Fred Flintstone 5 O'clock shadow, which was very sexy on him.

by Anonymousreply 59June 6, 2019 10:37 PM

Saxon always had a nice body. I think he worked out a lot, and the martial arts stuff certainly helped keep his physique well-maintained through middle age. He looked his best when he was in his forties/fifties IMO. Him shirtless, showing off his hairy chest certainly gave me tingling in my nether regions back in the day.

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by Anonymousreply 60June 6, 2019 10:37 PM

See R10 for the tight outfit.

by Anonymousreply 61June 6, 2019 10:38 PM

The flute-playing homosexual in 1979's 'The Glove' is really cute!

John should have torn off his own clothes and jumped into the hot tub with The Gay!

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by Anonymousreply 62June 6, 2019 10:49 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the photo in R11 and R41 was cropped. Lots of aspiring young actors posed full-frontal for the physique photographers of the era. They were new to California, they needed money, and the photographers any have been the first people to notice them for any type of film work.

by Anonymousreply 63June 6, 2019 10:57 PM

[quote]r58 That lanky comedienne Kay Kendall deserves her own thread.

So be it:

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by Anonymousreply 64June 6, 2019 10:59 PM

I always get Kay Kendall, Kay Francis, and Kay Thompson mixed up.

by Anonymousreply 65June 6, 2019 11:01 PM

I definitely remember who Kay Francis is, only because she played opposite Cary Grant and Carole Lombard in one of my favorites, In Name Only. A rare-ish dramatic turn for both Lombard and Grant.

Kay Kendall I know of only by name associated with Rex Harrison. Sounds like I need to learn more about her.

John Saxon I think I know from The Bold Ones. Nevertheless, it was a great 70s drama series.

by Anonymousreply 66June 6, 2019 11:14 PM

I think Lombard was a friend of Francis, whose career was a bit down then, and helped her get the part. Lombard was a good egg. Had she lived, she'd have wised up to Gable.

by Anonymousreply 67June 7, 2019 12:03 AM

Saxon was sex-on-a-stick...he MUST have used his body to get ahead in tinsel town.

by Anonymousreply 68June 7, 2019 1:14 AM

I remember seeing him in a towel on Dynasty as a kid .I fapped to that for days.

by Anonymousreply 69June 7, 2019 1:33 AM

I remember seeing the photo with Saxon's pubic hair and half of his cock in an old magazine (I.T.) "In Touch for Men" some thirty years ago. It hasn't been touched up. I saw another full nude about ten years later. I believe parts of his body were about the same in both pictures.

by Anonymousreply 70June 7, 2019 2:07 AM

Portrait in Black is a fabulous camp fest. Lana Turner & Anthony Quinn kill someone, and Lana, who doesn’t know how to drive, has to take the car to pick up Tony from where he dumped the body.

by Anonymousreply 71June 7, 2019 2:15 AM

[quote] r71 ...and Lana, who doesn’t know how to drive...

Oh jebus, doesn't PORTRAIT IN BLACK have to be one of the [italic]stupidest[/italic] suspense films, ever? It was at one time going to be made with Joan Crawford, but there was no way anyone was going to believe THAT bitch couldn't drive a car (!)

It's still an utterly inane plot develiopment - but I guess it was easier to accept that airhead Lana Turner wouldn't know how to drive. Even if she was FORTY!!

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by Anonymousreply 72June 7, 2019 3:07 AM

was he the gay?

by Anonymousreply 73June 7, 2019 3:17 AM

It's [italic]teh gay.

by Anonymousreply 74June 7, 2019 3:41 AM

kdfklwej

by Anonymousreply 75June 7, 2019 3:43 AM

He was in the movie "Death House" about Mkultra experiments on prisoners ( ala the real life Vacaville experiments) in which he played a CIA agent who saved the day.

Rumor has it that he was, in fact, working for the CIA at some point in his life.

Some actors and actresses have CIA ties.

by Anonymousreply 76June 7, 2019 3:49 AM

To tell the truth, I wouldn't be able to pick him out of a lineup. And I know a lot about classic movies.

by Anonymousreply 77June 7, 2019 4:05 AM

That’s because he wasn’t A list ^

by Anonymousreply 78June 7, 2019 4:07 AM

Had that brick shithouse build that portends rurthless fucking. And a killer jawline. And a pretty mouth made for hoovering a cock.

by Anonymousreply 79June 7, 2019 6:23 AM

I was going to post that he was Ambassador to Mexico, but it was the other John (Gavin).

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by Anonymousreply 80June 7, 2019 6:29 AM

I recognize him but never knew who he was. Always thought he was a handsome man even when he was older older.

by Anonymousreply 81June 7, 2019 8:42 AM

He was one of those actors who made me realize as a youth that I liked men.

by Anonymousreply 82June 7, 2019 9:59 AM

Dynasty!

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by Anonymousreply 83June 7, 2019 11:04 AM

He must have played as many "ethnic" characters as Anthony Quinn.

by Anonymousreply 84June 10, 2019 3:51 AM

OP...he looks like Mark Consuelos in that pic.

by Anonymousreply 85June 10, 2019 4:08 AM

I loved his story line on Falcon Crest with Kim Novak.

by Anonymousreply 86June 10, 2019 4:21 AM

He got hotter as he aged.

by Anonymousreply 87June 10, 2019 4:22 AM

Not hot. The body hair is gross, and that heavy 5 o'clock shadow is repulsive. Looks like he needs to shave every two hours. Never seen any nudes, but I imagine he is very hairy down there, which is a huge turn-off for me. And his body is a little to "thick" for my taste. Next...

by Anonymousreply 88June 10, 2019 4:49 AM

R88. Sorely lacking in discernment. Writes like a prissy prisspot. Doesn't know ass from hole in the ground. Thinks his shit doesn't stink. It does. Next...

by Anonymousreply 89June 10, 2019 5:10 AM

R88 hasn’t seen the nudes upthread.

by Anonymousreply 90June 10, 2019 5:57 PM

Yes I have. Ewwww. Hairy Mary

by Anonymousreply 91June 10, 2019 8:25 PM

He’s actually hairless in the young nudes save the peek-a-boo pubes.

by Anonymousreply 92June 10, 2019 9:16 PM

I would jump on John Saxon for fifty years (or more...) So handsome and hairy, his nipples are great, too.

by Anonymousreply 93June 10, 2019 10:13 PM

He acted like he knew how to fuck good!

by Anonymousreply 94June 10, 2019 10:29 PM

r85, see r24, and try to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 95June 10, 2019 10:33 PM

R94, he did!

by Anonymousreply 96June 10, 2019 11:29 PM

I also saw the photo in R11 and R41 way back in the 70s or 80s. There's a second shot of Saxon with the same pubic hair, also cropped halfway down his shaft, somewhere out there. I've seen a full-frontal, too, from the same era. They all came from the skin magazines of the time.

by Anonymousreply 97June 13, 2019 2:00 AM

There's no way that his agent Henry Wilsson passed THAT up!

by Anonymousreply 98June 13, 2019 2:12 AM

R16 Ah, I was just about to say that I always wondered why he had such a WASP-sounding last name (Saxon) when he looked rather Italian. So, he really is of Italian background then, and Saxon was just his stage name.

by Anonymousreply 99June 13, 2019 2:12 AM

By the way, he was also in the miniseries called V.

by Anonymousreply 100June 13, 2019 2:19 AM

He had definite big dick teeth.

by Anonymousreply 101June 13, 2019 2:21 AM

He’s like a nicer Robert Conrad.

by Anonymousreply 102June 13, 2019 2:21 AM

fred flintstone

by Anonymousreply 103June 13, 2019 3:43 AM

R102, Robert Conrad is what made every elder gay know he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 104June 17, 2019 2:29 AM

^ Yes!

by Anonymousreply 105June 17, 2019 2:35 AM

He was also Jo's lawyer on Melrose Place when she was trying to get her baby back

by Anonymousreply 106June 17, 2019 2:44 AM

R72: Great trailer and you didn't mention Sandra Dee is in it, too! and Ross Hunter produced it! Turner's scenery chewing is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 107June 17, 2019 3:21 AM

The absolute raging queen was George Maharis. But I Remember watching old movies on TV and I loved John Saxon and James Darren. OMG. And I love The Reluctant Debutante. Loved it. Sandra Dee was annoying, but the movie was so fun!

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by Anonymousreply 109July 17, 2019 3:14 PM

I find I cannot watch Kay Kendall in anything because of her ABSURD nose job.

by Anonymousreply 110July 17, 2019 3:29 PM

Kay's nose was always absurd.

That's why this movie failed. Because Robert Taylor was haggard and because Kay Kendall and Robert Merely are natural comedians incapable of seriousness.

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by Anonymousreply 111July 18, 2019 12:17 AM

I never liked Robert Taylor. I can't understand why he was ever famous. I love watching old movies. especially Noir. But Taylor & Dana Andrews are very off putting. So is Glenn Ford. Can't stand them.

by Anonymousreply 112July 18, 2019 3:53 AM

R112 Taylor was pretty in 1937 when he had a lovely patrician nose when seen in profile. But he married that 'bell-laid' Stannick woman and it was all downhill after that.

Taylor was dragged out of mothballs in 1950 when Greg Peck refused to play in 'Quo Vadis'. So the haggard Taylor played in that, 'Ivanhoe' and that mess mentioned in R111.

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by Anonymousreply 113July 18, 2019 4:00 AM

The one role - only one - that I found Robert Taylor plausible, even good, was as the doomed mop top Beau in the ridiculous movie The Gorgeous Hussy (1936) with Joannie Crawford. Also in the cast are Lionel Barrymore, Melvyn Douglas, James Stewart and Franchot Tone. Otherwise, Taylor was the worst actor of any "movie star" who ever lived. Stanwyck was teaching him and teaching him, coaching him on every role, but it all fell on deaf ears.

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by Anonymousreply 114July 18, 2019 2:15 PM

Let’s get back to the subject of the thread please.

by Anonymousreply 115July 19, 2019 1:54 AM

I'm sorry, R115, I have exhausted all my thoughts about the late Carmine Orrico/'John Saxon'.

by Anonymousreply 116July 19, 2019 2:32 AM

Perhaps a new thought might originate around the fact that he's still alive and performing, R116.

by Anonymousreply 117July 19, 2019 5:10 PM

DL's annoying new IT dept...

by Anonymousreply 118July 19, 2019 5:11 PM
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by Anonymousreply 119July 19, 2019 5:11 PM

John Saxon, he’s Anglo.

by Anonymousreply 120July 19, 2019 5:40 PM

R102 -- As amazing as Robert Conrad's face and body were, anyone and everyone could have been nicer.

by Anonymousreply 121July 19, 2019 5:51 PM

Daddy Edward Andrews wanted some Saxon action in his first film...

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by Anonymousreply 122September 19, 2019 6:52 AM

John Saxon is proof that DL has some very conflicted feelings. I've struggled to understand what 'non-adjacent' meant. You WASP-y white boys didn't like being attracted to those amazingly attractive Italian-American guys in your own back yard. I didn't grow up there, and never had a conflict. I still have dreams about my Italian-American boo (I won't name him, since I know he's on-line) and I have an ever better boyfriend (who loves me back).

by Anonymousreply 123September 19, 2019 7:13 AM

Speak for yourself R123. Your conclusions are nonsensical.

by Anonymousreply 124September 19, 2019 2:53 PM

I loved John Saxon. He was hot. I loved him, and James Darren, and George Chakiris, and George Maharis. They were gods, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 125September 19, 2019 3:39 PM

Evidently, R125--the gods are all still alive and well into their 80s, or in Maharis' case, 90s...

by Anonymousreply 126September 19, 2019 11:31 PM

Did Saxon ever talk about his mentor, Henry Wilsson?

by Anonymousreply 127September 20, 2019 12:20 AM

I have a feeling stories will come out after Willson's death R127. And Willson definitely told stories about Saxon.

by Anonymousreply 128October 1, 2019 9:28 PM

R128 Willson's been dead for years.

by Anonymousreply 129October 2, 2019 1:40 AM

As in decades--Willson died in 1978.

by Anonymousreply 130October 2, 2019 4:09 AM

R128 is unfortunately John Saxon. See Alzheimer's link in the thread above.

by Anonymousreply 131October 15, 2019 7:20 PM

The Grim Reaper's a bitch...

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by Anonymousreply 132October 15, 2019 9:03 PM

John Saxon was gorgeous. I never realized it until I re-watched A Nightmare on Elm Street in college and was like "damn! Nancy's dad is fine." Guess I took a little while to grow into my daddy phase.

by Anonymousreply 133October 15, 2019 9:06 PM

Fans prefer Dream Warriors to Elm Street 1 because the victims got to have fantastic powers from their wildest dreams to fight Freddy with. It was also a movie where Freddy’s one-liners got funnier without overturning the scary tone.

by Anonymousreply 134October 15, 2019 9:09 PM

Nightmare 1 will always be the best. Freddy was completely scary and not at all funny.

by Anonymousreply 135October 16, 2019 12:07 AM

Lovely, but usually wooden. A sort of non-perky male counterpart to Sandra Dee---no wonder they wound up being cast in the same film.

by Anonymousreply 136October 16, 2019 12:58 AM

Hot as a teen, but MUCH hotter as a daddy!

by Anonymousreply 137October 16, 2019 1:01 AM

Meh. He had nothing on John Gavin - same era, same look, ethnic - seen here in Kubrick's "Spartacus" with Charles Laughton.

Big roles, too: Psycho, Imitation of Life, Back Street, Midnight Lace

Universal groomed Gavin as a leading man in the mold of Rock Hudson. He trained in Jess Kimmel's talent workshop under the name John Gilmore. His classmates included Grant Williams, Gia Scala and John Saxon

Stanford grad, Naval officer, President of SAG and US Ambassador to Mexico, too

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by Anonymousreply 138October 16, 2019 2:24 AM

Saxon.We're talking Saxon, not Gavin. Gavin is another thread. He was like a mannequin. He was hot. He looked beautiful. But he had no talent. Could not act to save his life. And no personality. He was like ...Mitt Romney in the movies. John Saxon, on the other hand had charm, he had an easy grace about him. Very natural. And he had an edge. Just a bit dangerous. John Saxon was serious hotness.

by Anonymousreply 139October 16, 2019 2:59 AM

When I was a young Gehling in the mid-70s, I hooked up with an older guy, and during pillow talk afterwards he told me about a couple of gay actors he used to know that were on their way up the ladder.

One of them was John Saxon, who I have not heard of before but was now interested in following his career, and the other one was Jay Thomas, whom he said had been a DJ but was now acting, and also quite gay.

by Anonymousreply 140October 16, 2019 3:29 AM

...gayling...

by Anonymousreply 141October 16, 2019 3:29 AM

R140. Not surprising at all. The truth about Saxon will come out after he's gone in a few years...

by Anonymousreply 142October 16, 2019 3:32 AM

"He was like ...Mitt Romney in the movies."

ROFLMAO. That's the perfect description.

by Anonymousreply 143October 16, 2019 3:34 AM

Was there anyone Willson represented who wasn't gay or at least gay for pay?

by Anonymousreply 144October 16, 2019 5:53 AM

Perhaps R144. But they were in the distinct minority. If you read the Willson biography, all of the actors who were still alive said they never did it w/the greasy man. But I would not be surprised Robert Wagner DID, as he at first tried to deny he was ever a Willson client.

by Anonymousreply 145October 16, 2019 7:01 AM

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by Anonymousreply 146October 16, 2019 7:15 AM

according to the book about willson several of his straight proteges quote unquote did succumb to willson for carreer reasons and some gay ones did not. It seemed like looking at the list about 1/2 of the clients were gay. He didnt hit on robert wagner as wagner came from an upper class calif family and willson considered him offlimits. John Saxon was just 17 when he entered Willson s world and willson may have considerred him too young to take advantage of............. Rock Hudson was Willsons main claim to fame and willson and hudson did hook up repeatedly early on. Hudson married Henry Willson s office secretary. Hudson and Willson even shared an apartment after Hudson became famous that was just a trick pad that each used separately. It was a non discript dump used just for sex located on Cuhenga Blvd not too far from the hollywood bowl. Hudson apparently would fuck anybody regardless of looks and Willson only went after the beauties. Another huge favorite of his boys was Guy Madison who Willson broadcast was not well endowed. Willson is actually an interesting case study in hollywood of the 40 s and 50 s. He was the classic hollywood agent who used the casting couch but it was for men, not women. He did represent lana turner for a while in addition to the male pinups. The most common term used to descrie Willson was evil........Hudson described Willson as having a big ego..whatever that entails.

by Anonymousreply 147October 16, 2019 7:41 AM

John Saxon was always seriously sexy!

He was on a very funny “Mary Tyler Moore” as Phyllis’s platonic escort to cultural events. Phyllis was miffed when Saxon started dating Mary, but all was forgiven when Saxon announced his engagement to an old girlfriend: “I hope that you and Sharon will be as happy in your marriage as LARS is in ours!”

by Anonymousreply 148October 16, 2019 11:51 AM

I’ve always wondered about another Wilsson client, Laramie’s John Smith. Gorgeous, tall blonde drink of water with luscious lips and an ever-present bulge. He was briefly married to actress Luana Patten in the ‘60s and never had kids, although he was rumored to have a daughter, it was never confirmed. Luana filed for divorce citing John’s habit of disappearing for days on end without ever explaining where he’d been. A Brokeback “fishing trip” situation, maybe?

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by Anonymousreply 149October 16, 2019 6:01 PM

Hot.

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by Anonymousreply 150October 16, 2019 6:02 PM

The very name 'John Smith' arouses suspicion.

by Anonymousreply 151October 16, 2019 9:28 PM

r151=1950s motel owner

by Anonymousreply 152October 16, 2019 9:38 PM

'John' is a notorious pseudonym for 'Penis'

by Anonymousreply 153October 16, 2019 9:48 PM

John Smith’s real name, Robert Errol Van Orden, was wonderful and tailor made for an actor. Willson suggested he change it because there were no other John Smiths in show biz. After Laramie, he did the film Circus World with John Wayne. The director of that film reportedly hated Smith so much that he vowed to ruin his career. Smith still went on to act for many years afterwards, but his career never reached its potential. I think he might’ve been gay.

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by Anonymousreply 154October 16, 2019 10:39 PM

Not surprised. He didn't always photograph that well even when young.

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by Anonymousreply 155October 16, 2019 10:42 PM

He had a big fuckin’ dick

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by Anonymousreply 156October 16, 2019 11:16 PM

That Henry Wilsson didn't write an autobiography is one of the world's biggest losses. Think of all the stories he could tell! And we'd finally know which of the "clients" actually put out to get ahead.

by Anonymousreply 157October 17, 2019 12:19 AM

I never paid much attention to John Smith - too boyish for me - but his Laramie co-star, Robert Fuller, was gorgeous.

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by Anonymousreply 158October 17, 2019 6:10 AM

He asked to be on my show, I told him, "no," or obvious reasons

by Anonymousreply 159October 17, 2019 9:05 AM

I’ve met Robert Fuller at several conventions, sat and had a talk and a drink with him, and a nicer man you will not met. He’s still a rascal and very spry for his age, loves Cabernet and is full of stories about his time as an actor. He has a rabid fandom who follow him to every convention that he does, some of them (mostly women) even come over from other countries. He’s a cowboy through and through. His favorite role was Jess Harper from Laramie. And yes, he was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 160October 17, 2019 9:24 AM

The obvious comb-over detracted from his good looks. He already had it in Black Christmas in 1974. Handsome face and body, to be sure, but the comb-over was a no go.

by Anonymousreply 161October 17, 2019 3:57 PM

The comb-over wasn't great, but he was still hot in Black Christmas as far as I'm concerned. Handsome face, nice body, and that VOICE. My god. Just listening to him talk is enough to give me a raging boner.

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by Anonymousreply 162October 18, 2019 2:05 AM

So sexy — this is a timeless photo!

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by Anonymousreply 163October 18, 2019 2:59 AM

^ he looks almost pretty in that picture.

I don't think I've seen him show his teeth before.

by Anonymousreply 164October 18, 2019 3:23 AM

He’s got teeth alright...

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by Anonymousreply 165October 18, 2019 4:49 AM

He had nice plump cock-sucking lips...

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by Anonymousreply 166October 19, 2019 7:39 PM

Here he is with everyone's favorite beard!

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by Anonymousreply 167October 19, 2019 7:54 PM

Why didn't Debbie ever marry a nice gay boy?

by Anonymousreply 168October 19, 2019 7:56 PM

[quote]nice plump cock-sucking lips...

It's DICK-sucking lips

by Anonymousreply 169October 19, 2019 8:12 PM

Is there any substantiation to the claims that Saxon was gay or bisexual? He's never really pinged to me, although the idea of him fucking a bunch of '50s Hollywood hunks is arousing.

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by Anonymousreply 170October 19, 2019 8:21 PM

I would be bent over in .5 seconds if this were standing behind me

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by Anonymousreply 171October 19, 2019 8:37 PM

John Saxon and James Darren had decent acting chops and could have developed into something if the assholes of Hollywood had not insisted they become arm candy for Sandra Dee making ridiculous romantic comedies. Darren made one decent movie where he showed he had something more in him, with Shelley Winters, and Saxon made some movie with Esther Williams where he played a villain type character. Saxon worked a lot more than Darren and I think as he aged out of his rom Com garbage he began to show he could do more. Darren, as I heard, ended up being drunk and decided to do a night club act. He fancied himself a crooner like Sinatra.

by Anonymousreply 172October 20, 2019 12:02 AM

R170, I doubt he was gay, but , like most of Henry Wilsson's clients, I think he did what (or who) he had to to get ahead.

by Anonymousreply 173October 20, 2019 12:19 AM
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by Anonymousreply 174October 20, 2019 12:19 AM

R140 heard back in the 70's that Saxon was gay , so those rumors have been around for decades

by Anonymousreply 175October 20, 2019 6:19 AM

A guy who keeps himself in shape well into his 70s...?

by Anonymousreply 176October 20, 2019 1:47 PM

John Smith / Laramie

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by Anonymousreply 177October 21, 2019 5:17 PM

John Smith was hot.

by Anonymousreply 178October 21, 2019 5:18 PM

I remember seeing Black Christmas years ago at the New Beverly Theater in Los Angeles, way before QT purchased it.

John Saxon, Olivia Hussey, and Bob Clark (the director) Olivia was radiant, Bob was funny but John seemed out of it. I did say hi to him and shook his hand. That was over 10 years so me must be worse

What's really messed up is that this was during the Christmas season and a week later the director and his son were killed by a drink driver in Malibu. 😢

by Anonymousreply 179October 21, 2019 6:05 PM

I met him about ten years ago at an autograph show (don’t judge, DL!). It was nice to meet him, and he was friendly and not addled or out of it. Looked good, too! It was interesting to chat about some of the folks he’s worked with (Rex Harrison & Kay Kendall, Marlon Brando, Otto Preminger). Sorry to hear he’s not well.

by Anonymousreply 180October 22, 2019 1:39 PM

R170, did Rock Hudson ping to you?

by Anonymousreply 181October 28, 2019 5:05 AM

R173 speaks the truth.

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by Anonymousreply 182October 28, 2019 5:07 AM

I have never seen him in anything, that I'm aware of.

Strictly B List.

by Anonymousreply 183October 28, 2019 6:21 AM

Tony Tarantino was not Henry Willson's type.........he must have heard the story from someone better looking.

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by Anonymousreply 184October 28, 2019 2:05 PM

[quote]I have never seen him in anything, that I'm aware of.

You’ve never seen Enter the Dragon or A Nigtmare on Elm Street?

by Anonymousreply 185October 28, 2019 9:06 PM

Phyllis Gates, Henry Willson's secretary and of course Rock's wife described Willson as "a bitch in heat." She said this when she was secretly recording a very revealing conversation with Rock. She made the recording towards the end of their marriage. She got a private detective to bug the house. Leverage in the upcoming divorce. Gates asked Rock how long he had been a homo, was he a queer when they married etc. Very damning stuff. Rock hadn't a clue!

Anyway she was (on tape) aghast at Rock's continuing loyalty to a sleazeball like Willson, hence the bitch in heat jibe, she was hypocritical piece of work.

by Anonymousreply 186October 28, 2019 9:35 PM

Rock should have married a nice lesbian actor - someone with the same amount to lose.

by Anonymousreply 187October 28, 2019 9:41 PM

Phyllis was a lying lesbo pretending to be an aggrieved straight frau

by Anonymousreply 188October 28, 2019 9:41 PM

Gates' ghostwriter probably came up with "bitch in heat."

by Anonymousreply 189October 28, 2019 9:41 PM

Gates didn't expose Rock during the divorce. But she let him know she had the tapes. Years afterwards, when Hudson had no obligation to her whatsoever, Gates would send Hudson her bills - dry cleaning, car repairs etc, along with insinuating little notes. Blackmail, basically. Hudson paid without a fuss.

by Anonymousreply 190October 28, 2019 10:10 PM

She took quite a chance. Hudson was a big earner for most of his career. She could have been offed quite easily.

by Anonymousreply 191October 28, 2019 10:25 PM

Hudson realised his career would wane in the early 60s when he didn't that ugly, weird movie called 'Seconds".

This movie may have contained a blurred penis or two but it mocked everything he had done up until then.

His career may have stopped in 1962 — just like what happened to "Tab Hunter' around the same time.

by Anonymousreply 192October 29, 2019 12:35 AM

His career did continue for some time after 1962

by Anonymousreply 193October 29, 2019 1:24 AM

He was a B-grader from the 60s, Susan.

by Anonymousreply 194October 29, 2019 1:29 AM

I always mix him up with John Gavin.

by Anonymousreply 195October 29, 2019 1:46 AM

He was also in Dario Argento's "Tenebrae"

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by Anonymousreply 196October 29, 2019 2:46 AM

R196, they spelled his name wrong in the credits? Poor John.

by Anonymousreply 197October 30, 2019 12:55 AM

Agreed, R197, I cringed when I saw that his name was spelled wrong in the trailer!

by Anonymousreply 198October 30, 2019 10:28 AM

[quote]r185 You’ve never seen Enter the Dragon or A Nigtmare on Elm Street?

Yes, I've seen ELM STREET. How large is his role in that? It can't be too significant.

Of the adults, I remember Ronee Blakley and Robert Englund (who I always thought was Mr. Cloris Leachman...but she was actually married to a George Englund.)

by Anonymousreply 199October 30, 2019 10:51 AM

[quote]How large is his role in that? It can't be too significant.

Um, he’s Nancy’s dad and is in some of the most pivotal scenes in the movie, including the big finale when Nancy and Freddy are locked inside the Thompson house.

by Anonymousreply 200October 31, 2019 1:16 PM

He's finally gone...

by Anonymousreply 201July 26, 2020 12:03 AM

Finally? Sheesh...

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