America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

^ *food, not good.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now... a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself; I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it...It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements; and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business {Milk Street).

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is ... adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

Is Dan S. gay?

News to me.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

[quote]Is Dan S. gay?

We don't know.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

R23 missed the box.

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

Bad apron color.

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

Listen here, r37:

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Wasn't that John Mulaney?

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.

This was maybe 2002 or so.

That is so incredible, R45.

Cute couple.

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What’s the difference between America's Test Kitchen and Cook's Country?

R49 The set.

R36, Kosher salt does taste different from regular table salt. Table salt usually has iodine in it, so it tastes more metallic and differently salty. It also measures and dissolves differently, so it works better when seasoning a steak before cooking, for example. In some cases, it won't matter, like when salting boiling water, but it certainly does in other dishes.

I love watching Bridget cook--I think she is self-taught and her cookbook is great. Julia has grown on me but I used to hate when she called food "sucker"--as in, "Look at that sucker." They are both brilliant cooks. I like the way that Dan's face reflects his happiness with a dish. Keith is growing on me. I like Lisa a lot and her tool segments are informative. I would love to do a taste test with Jack. I like Becky and Elle, and Erin has real skill as a chef (though she is a bit monotone). Adam is a friend of a friend and he is a very kind and funny man.

I'm sure she's a nice person, but tall Becky Hays has the most irritating voice to me.

I can't watch her segments because of it. As I've gotten older, there are some female voices I cannot listen to for any length of time and hers is one.

I honestly don't know if women's voices have changed or if it's my hearing that's the problem.

Agreed, R53, but she's always bugged me. It's also the cheerfulness which I'm sure goes off like a light when the cameras aren't on.

I thought that Asian chef was around 12, but he's nearly 30.

Dan is cute, but he needs to hide that limp stroke lip of his.

I like Dan's uneven smile/lip - it's cute.

R56 needs to hide his limp stroke self (including his limp stroke dick, one imagines).

Please whatever is happening with Dan's lip you guys would deal with it. Maybe it makes him a better at other things.

Becky is just annoying never mind the voice. She thinks she's superior to everyone else on the set.

Testing Guy is gay though right?

R56, sorry for having standards for chefs. R59, his lip might cause issues during oral.

Kimball was some sort of austere strain of Protestant from Vermont, probably descended from the original Puritans based on that Mayflower-ish surname of his. I think that informed his curmudgeon ways, it seems to have come through loud and clear to me in the magazine column where he’d extol the virtue of traditional living in Vermont.

One thing they don't do as often as they did under Kimball was show failed versions of the dish at the beginning of the segment. I could always identify with those.

I didn't realize that gay Jack Bishop owns the company.

Thanks r63!

all i heard about for years was what a huge fat ass kimball used to be. i can't find one freaking pic of fat kimball anywhere.

i also cannot stand him. then, now, or ever. so smug.

I always got the vibe that Becky Hays was ready to stab someone at any moment. She seems so high strung all the time.

Kimball wasn't fat.

I know a child who has that weird lip thing. In her case, there’s nothing wrong, it’s just a quirk or tic.

The taste test guy is the biggest nelly who has ever nellied!

If you mean Jack Bishop, r69, he is allegedly married to a woman (I know, I KNOW).

[quote]I always got the vibe that Becky Hays was ready to stab someone at any moment. She seems so high strung all the time.

Their website says her previous job was as a securities trader. Fits the profile.

There's no way that Jack Bishop is straight. He probably got married when he was young and just stay married for the companionship. He probably has kids, too. He probably has a male partner on the side.

I only like my gay chefs to be fat--no one trusts a twinky chef~

Adam Reid is gay right?

Has anyone watched the new season of Cook's Country? Now Julia has fallen prey to the Mad Weaver of ATK (I have my suspicions that it's a folie à deux tag team of Jack and Adam, but I'll save my theory for Websleuths).

I haven't watched this in years, mainly because I cut the cable back then. Do they still do those sketch audience AKA family taste tests? They are just always so off. All the white folks here in the north east just love Taco Bell salsa or Ragu tomato sauce or fake McCormick Vanilla extract.

Their "ethnic" dishes even the Italian ones were laughable.

Looks like I'm an outlier, ATK isn't as enjoyable without Kimball. He provided a good counterpoint to the on-camera chefs, and they seemed to have good rapport though with different ideas on many things. I HATE what's going on with Julia and Bridget now, when they try to teach or explain TO. THE. OTHER. just exactly what is going on, when longtime fans know that they both are aware of what is going on. This is not supposed to be reciprocal cooking lessons for two accomplished chefs/hosts. Too cutesy, too 'twee, too SOMEthing.

The Milk Street TV program was a three and done for me. Received a subscription to his new magazine, which I enjoy, half of it seems to be travelogue. Reading about places I've never heard of or will visit makes the recipes more interesting. Added bonus: The insufferability of the on-camera chefs is not present. Yeesh! those people are hard to like.

R65/R67 Kimball was beyond a bit overfed, in point of fact he was definitely morbidly obese. I've often wondered whether he had the actual gastric bypass, or the sleeve/band procedure.

There was a holiday show with Kimball and either his first or second wife, entertaining a very large formal group in their historic home. Not my taste, but museum quality formal American Empire style. Loads of Victoriana mixed in. He was virtually unregognisable to what he is today. He very much looked like Canadian talk show host Scully at the time, and had similar hair.

fat pigs !!! gimme a break. yuk

Butter fed hogs indeed !

Very surprised that some here think pudgy-baldy Brian Roof is hot.

He looks to me like he could be a counterman at the local county feed store. Put him in overalls and there you are!

[quote]I haven't watched this in years, mainly because I cut the cable back then.

You don't need cable to watch PBS.

Is the CREATE channel in cable television line ups? That's how I watch ATK over-the-air.

Am I the only one who has a mad crush on Milk Street’s Josh Mamaclay? He’s sooooo dreamy, kinda nerdy but so sweet.

CREATE is almost always broadcast on one of your local PBS stations' digital subchannels. It's not a cable network.

This show is so much better without creepy Kimball. I actually learn a lot more without him constantly trying to get all the attention.

HIs Milk Street program on PBS is beyond tedious. The recipes are not relevant to American tastes. The cooks on the show are dour and can barely conceal their contempt for him.

I like Milk Street's recipes better of late. They are more international.

I still watch the show but what do they do, about 7 new shows a year and the rest reruns? It's always reruns.

Tried MilkStreet and I hated it. I'm not at all interested in those kinds of recipes. I hate hot spice and odd , expensive ingredients for dishes I wouldn't cook or eat in a million years.

Why on earth did he go do such an weird show. I really don't like the cast either. They seem to me to have no personality.

I love ATK's Jack Bishop and his taste tests. That's my favorite part of the show. I don't always agree with the winning food but I still enjoy watching.

Can't stand Bishop's gummy smile. Hard to look at him.

[quote]I still watch the show but what do they do, about 7 new shows a year and the rest reruns? It's always reruns.

They do a series of ATK, then a series of Cook's Country. Alternating.

I also really like Bridgit. I agree that the deliberate attempt at teaching comes off as boring and didactic. Like a college professor that everyone hated.

Elle makes the most appetizing recipes. Becky makes dreck. Brian makes goofball stuff.

[quote]You don't need cable to watch PBS.

Well not technically, but you still have to pay extra if you want to watch that one channel.

I quit watching - not necessary because Christopher is no longer there, but because the newer people have no personality and I got bored. Is Adam still on? I liked him, as well as Jack (who I still think is gay even if he is married to a woman). And though I like Bridget and Julia, I do not like them as hosts. I think after Christopher left they should have went to a host less format.

r93, I can get Create TV using a digital aerial antenna. I don't do it that way because I don't get CBS or NBC, but I do get five different PBS stations. It is free, but it depends where you live relative to your broadcast location. I'm in the same zip code as my PBS station.

I receive CREATE using my antenna too. I am not in the same zip code. The PBS broadcast antenna is 28 miles away. Comes in clear as bell.

I think that tall skinny one with the brown hair was already there when CK was still there. She's the one that does the healthy meals that no one else would want to prepare. Now she's there more often. I dislike that gadget woman. Once on her recommendation I bought this thing for the microwave that supposed to make fat free potato chips. $35.00 on Amazon and it was a piece of shit. I used it twice to make sure I did it right the first time and it was still a piece of shit the second time. It was a total waste of a potato, of electricity, my time and of 35 bucks plus tax and shipping since they didn't have Prime back then. I never trust what she says now.

Also Jack Bishop says they never take advertisement. What about all the appliances they show on their website and I'm not talking about their recommended products? If those aren't sort of ads what is? Also other than things from very current shows they want people to pay to see almost anything on the ATK website and have been like that for years.

They can totally shove that. I'm not giving them a cent.

Bryan Roof is hot. I noticed he no longer wears a wedding ring. His Facebook page is totally private now. He was probably bugged a lot by fans.

What did a skinnier Bryan look like before his hair fell out and he grew a beard to compensate?

Bryan is handsome. I don't think he is chubby, but rather muscular. I especially like it when he wears a somewhat tight shirt. Oh Daddy. I think Becky seems really sweet and nice. I'm not sure about the girl with the curly red hair.

I really like Lan Lam. Very professional and dignified but knows her stuff and isn't showy about it at all. Reminds me of the smartest girl in school who you get to know and find out she's really cool.

I like her too, though Elle is my favorite.

How about that new guy Lawman Johnson? Was he conceived during an old Western movie?

They're really pushing the diversity this season. Elle and Lan (and that Asian guy who seems to have vanished) weren't enough -- now we have Hispanic Natalie Estrada and AA Lawman.

The two broads are okay, but I preferred Kimball. His delivery wasn't nearly as scripted and rehearsed as theirs is. Every word, every inflection, every reaction with those two is well rehearsed and robotically executed.

That redhaired gal who does special bits, I can't tolerate with her baby voice.

I need Bryan Roof to give me a big ol' bear hug.

He's gorgeous with a ball cap on.

He's be gorgeous-er with a bag over his head.

I’d love to feel Bryan Roofs chest hair on my back....woof

Oh would he's? Ya think?

Bryan is fuckable, for sure. But Keith! He is hot as hell.

What makes you think Bryan has chest hair, r110. Bare chest pic?

And his surname -- only other Roof I've ever heard tell of was that racist shit who shot up that Black church in South Carolina. Is Bryan from South Carolina?

I'm sure he's gay so I'll take the chubby guy who demonstrates products, appliances and such. I love a warm bear of a guy.

The new episode of Cooks Country began with Julia and Bridget in jeans outside. Damn, Julia looked and walked like a complete dyke.

Julia has been looking really butch the last few years ever since she got that butch haircut.

I think it worked better when he was there frowning. It made them strive to please him. And when he was pleased- it made us happy.

Bryan Roof definitely has chest hair. You can see it in some photos. Dan Souza -- I'm not so sure about.

Pics or it’s just typical DL wishful thinking. ^^

Dan has sufficient.

Sufficient what?

A sufficiently wispy little tuft of chest hair that's cut off by DL's framing; about 6 hairs per square inch.

I used to find Dan Souza's lower lip issue off-putting. But now I've decided it's quite sexy. It gives him a bit of swagger.

If you check out Dan's arms in TV close-ups, he looks quite hairless.

Oh, well.

Never cared for Kimball-- always found his nerdy banter with the women uncomfortable. More important, however, is that I've watched the show for years and years and made dozens of its recipes--- and the great majority have disappointed. To be sure, I'm no Alain Ducasse but I know my way around a kitchen, so it's a headscratcher.

Stellino's recipes, on the other hand, work really well...but his "storyteller" series is just embarrassing, however, sincere.

Can't stand Stellino. I think he zhuzhes his Italian shtick up a great deal for that show.

Could you conjugate that for us, R127?

Chris Kimball is a dick. These things are quite obvious to some of us.

I loathe their recipe for mussels. Baking? No! They stick to the shells!

Please, R129. Please don't use the word "dick" in a sentence with the name "Christopher Kimball."

How can I watch it if I don't have cable? Is it even on PBS any more?

It is all over PBS. In my area, it's on the PBS affiliate at least twice a day.

I just looked at a Milk Street Tuesday Night Cookbook. Full of gochujang, kimchi and turmeric. Maybe Kimball has discovered food beyond French?

Look for the CREATE channel that broadcasts on the PBS antenna.

They now make lasagna with cottage cheese instead of ricotta.

Trust me. As an Italian, if you use cottage cheese it isn't lasagna. It's an abomination.

I don't understand why they have this need to "fix" food that doesn't need fixing. Their "lasagna" is far from the only example.

You'd think the Italian on the show would know that, r136.

I don't miss bow tie guy either. I like that ATK now has some of their recipes and product reviews on YT and I subscribe to their channel. Like anyone else, their recipes can be hit or miss however the difference is their recipes usually involved 11,000 extra steps so when it turns out bad I'm extra pissed off. For the most part though, more good than bad and their Lemon Bar recipe is the best one of ever made.

One word: Frico I learned to make these crispy Parmesan potatoes when I was unemployed and looking for jobs inline. I didn't have cable and used to watch Create as background noise.

[quote] I've watched the show for years and years and made dozens of its recipes--- and the great majority have disappointed. To be sure, I'm no Alain Ducasse but I know my way around a kitchen, so it's a headscratcher.

I agree with this. I've found most of their recipes to be disappointing, which is surprising since they test their recipes over and over again. Technically they work, but the taste often isn't there.

Meanwhile, I've rarely tried an Ina Garten recipe that wasn't a success. I don't understand why her recipes are so foolproof and delicious and ATK's aren't?

Sorry, but I've not had these bad experiences with ATK recipes. They are detailed, I give you that. But they work. And as I never, ever, want to make a dump cake, the detail is appreciated.

They are, however, so detailed that it makes their videos less helpful than they might have been. They are not really instructional recipes. They leave out the instruction while racing ahead to get everything accomplished in the small amount of time allotted. You just get a video of that. When it comes to time to prepare the meal yourself, you discover the complexities.

Julia Child did a much, much, better job on the teaching end of things. But she was the fucking Empress of Detail. NO detail was too small to be eliminated and no process so complex it might require simplification.

I much prefer Julia and Bridgette. They both come across as knowledgeable but sweet. Bridgette seems like she'd be fun to hangout with. I like her the best of all of them. I've had good luck with most of their recipes, but the show is more about techniques, and I find it interesting.

It was cruel it write this without providing a photo:

[quote]Kimball was shod in fire-engine red Italian oxfords and had draped a long scarf of some kind of really good angora-type fabric around his shoulders,

I've made many of ATK's recipes and have never had a disappointment. In fact, their recipe section on their website is one of my go-to resources for recipes.

[quote] Julia looked and walked like a complete dyke.

Broads with bag wide asses like she has should never wear tight hip hugging jeans. She was walking like that because she could barely get her legs to move due to the extreme constriction.

R145, the way the shot was composed, Bridget came into the frame first and Julia's lower body was all we saw as she walked into the shot. The manner she walked made me think it was a guy. When I saw it was Julia, I was shocked. Julia was really pretty but those clear blue eyes looked better when she was young.

[quote] I've watched the show for years and years and made dozens of its recipes--- and the great majority have disappointed.

Thank you for saying that, I thought it was just me.

They always want to reinvent the wheel, which I usually encourage but in practice, their results are usually not that great. It's perplexing since they claim to test these recipes by an unknown amount of testers. My hunch is their tester are basically house Fraus with a wide assortment of Yankee Candles near by.

My hunch is their tester are basically house Fraus with a wide assortment of Yankee Candles near by.

You;'d be very wrong. The ATK testers are all those very experienced people you see working in the background, and they all have culinary arts degrees. If people are making their recipes and failing it's because the people cooking the food are screwing it up.

They also send out the recipes to many, many people across the country who have signed up to test for them to see if the average home cook can replicate their recipe and have it turn out okay and I guess they tell them if anything went wrong or was too difficult or if it just tasted like shit and everything in between. Once they know it's okay they put it on the air and/or in their books.

[quote] If people are making their recipes and failing it's because the people cooking the food are screwing it up.

Nice try, Chris Kimball. Sorry but no. Their recipes are not that complex and if the cook was bad, then they would be bad across the board not just with ATK recipes.

Just because they have people running around in the background who went to culinary school doesn't equate to high quality. I worked at a school that had culinary arts, trust me when I say there were a lot of students that had zero talent as a chef or taste for good food for that matter. There were a lot more "C" students than "A" students, that is a fact.

[quote]They also send out the recipes to many, many people across the country who have signed up to test

TRANSLATION = Yankee Candle Fraus quality.

Lets be honest, anyone who has enough time on her hands to sign up to be a recipe tester for a TV show probably has too much time on her hands. AKA House Fraus.

The recipes are regularly unnecessarily fussy. You might see an instruction to add 1/4 cup of lemon juice, or 1/3 cup. Or 2 and a half tablespoons of lemon juice. But you don't often see, 'add the juice of one large lemon.' They deliver a well-tested recipe. But I sometimes question the approach. It can be exhausting.

Lemon Pie with saltine cracker crust, I want to make this. Anyone had this in NC?

Dipped Fried Chicken looks good too.

Think Brian, Keith, and Dan will ever do a Holiday Special wearing Santa caps and kitchen aprons ... and that's it?

R6 Agree, Kimball came off as an arrogant and pompous cunt.

I dying to try the saltine lemon pie too but I just don't have the energy to go to that much trouble. I think a trip to NC would be easier.

The pie is amazing, r153 and r156. I prefer the lime version popularized by Bill Smith, though. Perfection.

I have a little crush on Matthew Card. I was surprised to find out he's straight.

The lemon pie with saltine crust was fantastic. Very easy to make as well.

Card may be straight, but he's also as nellie as a summer day is long.

Yes, R158.

My gaydar has never failed me like it did on him.

[quote]I prefer the lime version popularized by Bill Smith, though. Perfection.

That's called a key lime pie, Rose.

That Atlantic Beach Pie/Saltine Cracker Lemon Pie is just a copy of the Southern classic lemon icebox pie. The only difference is that a lemon icebox pie is made with a graham cracker crust instead of with Saltine crackers. The graham cracker crust is much better.

Once again, Northerners stealing Southern recipes and trying to pass them off as their own.

They made a sour orange pie a while back. It sounded good.

Forgot to mention -- the crust isn't graham cracker or saltines -- it's ANIMAL CRACKERS.

Sorry r164, no can do. They're all in my soup.

- S. Temple

I've made their sour orange pie several times and I like it, but you need to add an extra tablespoon of orange juice concentrate to get the full citrus flavor. I also add more orange and lemon zest than the recipe calls for. I like flah-vor!

Most recipes are written for general tastes, which means they're on the mild/bland side. I find that I have to double the flavor in most recipes to make them suit my taste buds. Ina Garten is one of the only TV cooks who punches up the flavor in her recipes, which is why they always taste so good.

Looks like the new season starts today on my local PBS station -- he's doing Mexican food.

^^^ To clarify, today is a new episode of Milk Street, with Kimball.

I have a huge crush on Josh Mamaclay from MILK STREET... But I’m afraid he’s a hipster....I’m afraid he’d show up for our date on an old timey high wheeler bicycle strumming an ukulele...

Meh. I only watched because I loved Christopher's sense of style AND whoever that gadget guy was...the one who tested all the kitchen stuff.

New season of ATK premieres today.

As an Australian, I only know ATK from its cookbooks. I watched some episodes on YouTube and holy dykey blondes! Julia and Bridget seem like secret lovers that they think no one knows about.

I really like Milk Street, the Tuesday Nights cookbook is really good. It's basically fusion cuisine and of what I have tried there has not been a dud so far.

I listen to Milk Street Radio. Christopher Kimball is less fusty in that format - or maybe I am used to so many shit podcasters. His Nigella Lawson interview is good. When he asked her what era she would like to live in she chuckled and said I can't wait to hear what your answer is. When she said that as a woman obviously now is the best time for her to be alive he said he had no response.

I still watch, but I can't tolerate those two broads. Unlike Kimball who could do his bit completely off the cuff those two are 100% scripted, down to their last silly retort. Every time I hear the one say "you know me, you really know me" I want to come through the TV screen and pull her fat tongue out.