Are attractive women ever threatened by plain women?

If they're better at their jobs or have better lives than her, sure. You've always heard stories about glamorous leading ladies in musicals who ask the director or producers to cut out the big showstopper that the character actress has been getting raves for. Shouldn't they be happy that they're the beautiful lead and just let the other actor shine every now and then? It's just narcissism. No one can be as good as they are.

Are you talking about us?

There might be something to that. I've seen two women friends - one is plain, the other is perhaps not beautiful but she dresses expensively, always goes to a hairstylist, does a manicure, pedicure and is always buying expensive makeup. The other woman, her friend, does none of that.

The Fancy Dresser is constantly undermining the Plain One. They both work in the same department doing similar jobs but Fancy Dresser always acts like she's the Plain One's manager- which she isn't. I've overheard conversations where Fancy Dresser is boasting to Plain One about being indispensable to the executives and then she tells Plain One to take on more work because if she doesn't, she might get fired - implying that she's not as indispensable as Fancy Dresser.

I can't figure out what Plain One is getting out of this "friendship". Why be friends with someone who is constantly undermining you? The funny thing is, Plain One appears to be just as smart, if not smarter than Fancy Dresser so it's almost like Fancy needs to appear higher on the totem pole.

A woman once explained to me that if her husband cheated on her with a supermodel she could understand because it was only about sex, but if he cheated on her with a homely girl she would be hurt because it meant he actually liked her.

Only if they come to the Rusty Anchor bar and sing better than me.

We dykes have our issues, but the convoluted weird bitchy competitive struggles that some straight women engage in really make my head hurt.

In a workplace YES, they are all threatened by intelligent, competent women.

Not really.

r3 do you work the same place I do?!

r4 makes a lot of sense

Keeping up with hair makeup and fashion is expensive and time consuming, and media and society tells us that pretty girls are better. The fancy dress girl likely has some insecurities thus the fancy clothes.

And also resents the plain girl thinking hey I spend all of this time and money on looking great and she and I are in the same boat/career status,

Most str8 females (aka fish) hate other str8 females (aka fish.)

No OP. Pretty girls have nothing to fear from the uglies.

Especially when your husband is a homosexual,Maria S!

OP I have always been well favored in the Looks Department. While I suppose it's just been a matter of Good Luck, I also believe, very deeply, that the lord tends to know who is truly deserving when it comes to handing out the Pretty Card. At any rate, as a Beauty, I have since infancy been subject to snide, envious comments from those less facially blessed than I. As a good Christian woman, I have sought to be gracious and charitable in the face of such onslaughts.

Have I succeeded? For the most part, yes! And, tabloid reports to the contrary, I have never initiated any "episode." But I do stand up for myself! So when--

Sorry. Wrong number...

As a plain woman I have seen countless examples of attractive and less competent female colleagues being promoted over me. Now that I'm in a senior managerial position I have done my best to reverse this and have deliberately selected less physically-blessed people, even when the attractive ones are equally qualified and good at their job.

Do looks really matter for office drones? It’s got to be soul crushing and you just try to feel better about yourself however you can. Although I have more respect for polished women than the plain. But that’s cultural. And I know people (often rural) who feel the absolute opposite.

R14- Do ever find that MACHO HOMO hot? I always thought he was just a BIG SMELLY GOON!

Good question and I think the answer is complicated. I've had a woman (or two) grab her man by the arm and escort him away from me (with a dirty look over the shoulder), which was quite entertaining because said female was more attractive than I am. I suspect that sometimes the jack of all trades (intelligence, average to above-average looks and wit) beats the master card (extreme beauty with nothing else to commend it).

Some attractive people understand they are mostly smoke and mirrors without any significant skill or intelligence.

OP? There's a movie about this. It's called MEAN GIRLS.

Yes, OP.

r4 is on to something.

In my experience, many guys have mistresses who are less attractive (but younger) than their wives.

It has nothing to do with physical attractiveness. Women pretend to adore each other but they see other women as rivals and tear them to shreds.

The responses from "Maria Shriver" and "Princess Diana" cracked me up.

Ugly fraus conspire against attractive women, instinctively, in any scenario, and without shame.

As long as we live in the patriarchy, we beautiful women win.

[quote] We always hear that the opposite is true: that plain women are intimated by beautiful women

Where have you heard that nonsense from? I work with about 60 women. The ones who worry about their looks are ALWAYS the idiots. Their looks are all they have going for them

And I can handle them. It's the ones who are super friendly to every single person who are the ones I loathe. They are the phoniest bitches. Everyone else thinks they are so great, until they get stabbed in the back by them

[quote]It's the ones who are super friendly to every single person who are the ones I loathe. They are the phoniest bitches. Everyone else thinks they are so great, until they get stabbed in the back by them

Oh, this is so true!

"Attractive women" is subjective anyway. Are we talking truly beautiful or someone with lots of make up and low cut tops? That look is not always attractive.

R30, it definitely is.

I'll take a hateful bitch over a fake phony any day. At least with a bitch, you know where you stand with them. They might even surprise you and be on your side once in a while. With a fake phony, you don't know where you stand with them. And 9 times out of 10 they will stab you in the back. And you are blindsided because you thought "they were always so nice"

Pay attention to the fake phonies. They have a way of getting info out of you (acting like they want to be your friend and are genuinely interested in you) that they are just filing away to use against you later on

So true R32! Everyone who comes into their path has no idea they are prey and they all do this:

[quote] They have a way of getting info out of you (acting like they want to be your friend and are genuinely interested in you) that they are just filing away to use against you later on

[quote]With a fake phony, you don't know where you stand with them

true!

I want to scratch out pretty girls' eyes.

I don't know, but they might realize, especially at a certain age, that they won't be attractive forever. What they have is diminishing every day, whereas the plain ladies have probably developed skills that will continue to benefit them in the future. This could cause the attractive women to lash out against them.

A genuinely nice attractive person is lovely!

There are ogres who hate any slightly attractive people

R15 is not as pretty, or as "deserving" as she pretends. EVERYONE hates her and her sanctimonious bullshit. for good reasons.

Yes.

My spectacular sister has always attracted men. She’s petite and blonde with big blue eyes. Men fall all over themselves for her. (Or used to, because now she’s in her 40s, and as good as she still looks...)

With the exception of one long and toxic relationship, she can’t sustain relationships with men. A very good (fat) friend of hers is getting married soon. He’s no prize, he really is a loser. But “what kind of world is it where Christine (fat friend) can find a husband and I can’t?!” Or if we are out and about, “How does SHE (gestures toward plain woman) have a man and I don’t?”

It’s amazing how much bitterness she harbors, that ugly/fat/plain people find a single shred of happiness.

In general insecure people (men or women) are threatened by others who they think are better, or more deserving, of success and pretty things.

The moment you feel threatened by others and act on that fear you out yourself as insecure with low self esteem issues.

True R40 and they think we don't notice.

I think any time a straight woman doesn't give in the the beauty standards, she is accused of being a lesbian by those women who do. My mother is notorious for this.

This type seems soooooo upset because someone is getting fucked (or married) without all the headache.

The thing is, straight men don't care about your face as much as your body. And they usually like somewhat heavier bodies.

A plain girl would seem lower-maintenance, more intelligent and possibly more fun and/or more capable.

r42 reminds me of what one of my lit professors once remarked: "I've never known a straight man who noticed a woman's face before he noticed her body."

I think r42 is partially right

Maybe they resent women who don't feel the need to live up to society's beauty standards

[quote]I think any time a straight woman doesn't give in the the beauty standards, she is accused of being a lesbian by those women who do.

It's generally expected of straight women that they dress and groom themselves for men's approval, therefore if they don't it's assumed they don't want it (ergo, lesbians). Also, as you say, it doesn't even seem to take straight men's preferences into account at all.

My siblings and I were lucky that my mother was anxious that our self-esteem wouldn't be based on how we looked. We had other insecurities, but to be free of that one feels very freeing, especially given that it seems to dog so many people (on whatever part of the spectrum of attractiveness) for decades, if not a lifetime.

[quote]free of that one feels very freeing

Apologies for that redundancy!

R39, why can't your beautiful sister keep a man?

This is 110% anecdotal, but several drop-dead gorgeous women I've known have been somewhere on the borderline-narcissistic spectrum

R48 Drop-dead gorgeous women don't exist. Unless you have a loose definition of it.

This thread is full of the saddest, fattest, most in denial fraus we've ever been besieged by.

Honey, just because someone pity fucked you, doesn't mean straight men prefer obese homely girls. It also doesn't mean that there's any inherent superiority to being a medusa over being attractive. You know what's not attractive to anybody? Envy and people who lie to themselves.

"This thread is full of the saddest, fattest, most in denial fraus we've ever been besieged by."

And most are gay men. You're one of them.

I work with a woman who is turning 60. She was very good looking when she was younger. She still looks great . She's been married 3 times and is now moving into her parents basement and is realizing her "free ride" of getting by on her looks is ending. She's started to drink a lot and she's also started acting like someone in jr high school. She used to get along with everyone and everyone liked her, but now she just gossips about everyone and backstabs them. I'm waiting for a big blow up to happen at work. I want to demote her so badly

How do her parents feel about that r52?

Anything is possible. Women can be total cunts to each other.

The thing is, straight men don't care about your face as much as your body. And they usually like somewhat heavier bodies."

You're fucking high, R42. Buttaface ring a bell?

R48, BPD people are never beautiful. That's the crux of their illness.

R3 How do you know Plain One and Pretty One aren't secret lesbian lovers? Perhaps the Pretty one is just cruisin' for a spankin' and likes to act up.

lol r57

R47, she said her therapist (who she dropped) diagnosed her as Borderline. I’m not sure if that’s a qualified diagnosis, but she has been on a carousel of therapists and meds for decades. She’s emotionally unstable.

Everything is black and white: pretty womenvshould get love and ugly fat ones shouldn’t. She FB stalks men she used to know and makes fun of their wives. Men who weren’t good enough for her. She is getting more bitter and brittle as the years pass.

Rr27, r28 and r50 are right.

I've got a very good looking cousin who is mid fifties and she is so "male identified" she can only see females through the prism of "attractiveness to males" and age based upon it. I remember asking her if her then current boyfriend's ex , who worked in the local clothes store and seemed pretty balanced and cordial to me, was "mature" meaning has she really got a personality that she will kick off ( as my cousin insinuated, because, naturally, every woman had to have something against her) if she finds out her ex is with her. She completely misinterpreted my meaning and said "yes, she is a year older than me" and she didn't mean anything about personality , but was grasping at the "this woman is uglier and older than me" straw that her life revolves around.

She took pleasure in stating that her elderly mother told her that she looks "better" than her son's wife, too. Like her mother, her son, when his time comes will be able to bring side pieces around her and she will grin and skin with them whilst "coochy coochy cooing" the grand children that her daughter in law brings around for her to see. Only person I know, male OR female who doesn't believe that a woman can be raped. She specified "woman ", not I. A man would have to be a literal rapist to be as much of a gift to the patriarchy as a woman who thinks this way.

Princess Di is her hero.

I don't think as a rule, necessarily. I have noticed plain women don't like to work with flirts, and that no one likes working with grouches.

[quote] when his time comes will be able to bring side pieces around her and she will grin and skin with them whilst "coochy coochy cooing" the grand children that her daughter in law brings around for her to see.

huh?

I still hold to the theory (from many straight men telling me) that they don't care for make-up, obvious hair color and plastic surgery. They like boobs, a good smile and the color red.

Heavier bodies means tits and ass, not obese.

The Queen of England was threatened by Diana's beauty and Camille's "technique." She also was threatened by her sister's partying.