Farmers get impatient with Trump's trade war: 'This can't go on'

FUCK THEM! They voted for him!

Your reap what sow, butthurt farmers!

Cry me a river....

lol you are such an idiot r3.

R3. Take a look at your 401K today. The stock market plummeted more than 600 points because Trump doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing especially when it comes to trade with China.

Those racist will always stand with Trump.

And yet the farmers in the NYT article in the thread I posted the other day basically all voted for Trump and still support him. In fact, some are blaming the Congress for not helping Trump enough in his efforts.

So excuse me for not feeling sorry for these people.

R7 the NYT will only feature Trump voters who still support him. And of course they’re all good honorable people we shouldn’t look down upon no matter what horrible things they want to have happen to anyone else.

As long as their evangelical pastors tell them to vote for 45 they will follow directions.

We’ll see about that.

Hahaha!

Can someone explain to me why a commodities farmer is willing to endure this for IP protections?! Are these asshats sitting on seed patents or something?

Farmers wanted this, they damn well deserve it - and absolutely no crop insurance/subsidies from Congress.

looooooooooooooooololololol!

R12, I can give you my limited view. My partner owns a farm. That is, his family has owned a farm in Iowa for 5 generations. They have a tenant who farms. The tenant has been there 30 years.

After partners dad died, the farm became a limited partnership. Every year we would get a check after the soybeans sold.

We got a notice today. 75% of soybeans haven't sold. The wet weather means many farmers couldn't plant. The 2nd tenant is moving to Texas.

The soybean market isn't coming back. China will buy from Brazil.

From my vantage, it's the racism. Trump told them black and brown ppl are evil. They chose to believe their racism.

It's that simple. They destroyed their livelihoods because they decided abortion bad! Punish women. Black ppl bad! Punish them! Gay ppl sexual deviants! Punish them. The Kochs/mercers want a theocracy. They have been spoon feeding shit through Fox News for years.

I'm sorry for us. We will be damaged and harmed. I am not sorry for these racist, xenophobic, global warming denying, homophobic pricks.

Awww poor farmers...let me run to the deli and get some cheese that pairs well with those whines......

America was the worlds breadbasket. Destroy American agriculture and you destroy a good deal of American capital.

It's not as though the land is going to go away.....and fallowing the land is actually good for it.. BUT, farmers owe money for stuff - like their expensive farm machinery, loans they took out for land, seed, fertilizer, etc. They will go under and the land will be sold to large corporations.....some of which are multinational corporations that owe allegiance to no country, and could well be based in China or other hostile nations. Stupid stupid stupid.

The dumbass cunts got a couple million in government subsidies and are still holding out their hand. In 2008, it was the banks and car companies and now it's the farmers and corporations in need of a handout. Boohoo!

I thought farmers were more independent and proud. Can’t believe they are standing by him while the government subsidizes their poor prices. It’s very much the definition of welfare

At least they don’t get to look down their noses at the blacks and Mexicans anymore.

We’re all Mexicans now.

WOMP-WOMP!

I don't really care, do you?

Trumpy is going to have to step up his victimhood game if he wants to win redneck farmers back.

AOC destroyed the American auto industry! Muslims sold our country to China! Jane Fonda smuggled nuclear secrets into Iran in her cooter!

When the farmer bailout eventually happens, I demand they be drug tested before they can collect.

Good idea r25.

Well, salt of the earth farmers of America, you broke it you bought it.

Nope, nope, nope! Mr. Trump is smarter, more successful an' more Christian than anybody! He knows what's best! An' I ain't never votin' fer no Dumbocrat, no matter whut!

Now, if y'all will excuse me, I think I'll go fuck my cousin some more, God Bless 'Murca!

Aren't these farmers situated in states that Trump needs to win in 2020?

The real problem is that the Democrats can't get buy with just winning the Presidency. They've got to win the Senate as well because if Mitch is still in charge, the Democrats will get nothing done.

My Midwestern farm relatives tell me that Trump's trade war is painful but was long overdue because of the large trade imbalances that have disadvantaged American business. They're well aware that they sell in a global market and compete with South America and others with their commodities, they (mistakenly I think) believe that if Trump gets China to capitulate, they'll have more opportunities for higher prices in the future.

This can't go on...but I'll still vote for him in 2020.

Why would China capitulate?

Their economy is much stronger than ours.

That's debateable, R31. They've got severe challenges.

They will sell their land to the government and our government will sell and lease it to foreign countries.

R29 here the thing. The US isn't the only game in town. The Right wing nut jobs think USA USA. Trump refused to sign the TPP. So what? Other countries did. Remember those shithole countries? Where our minerals for our computers come from? China has trade agreements with them.

The world has moved on. They don't need us. Your friend is like miss haversham from great expectations, waiting for the boyfriend who found pussy somewhere else.

R34 True, China is slowly and methodically cobbling together a trade zone that covers Eurasia and Africa, and guess who will be left out. America's New World safe haven advantage from the last century will become its Achilles' heel. Obama tried to one up them beforehand with TPP that would exclude China, but of course Trump tore that into shred leaving the US isolated and vulnerable in this fight. His ego put the US at a disadvantage by alienating allies and boxing the US into a corner.

It would be nice to be able to pretend that DLers are interested in this subject because they actually cared about farmers.

R36 DLers care about famers as much as farmers care about DLers.

one or twenty less votes for trump is all I want to know about. if the damn farm boys are so damn dumb, then that is our loss. but i have to hope for better.

[quote] twenty less votes

You're dumb. You don't know how to modify a plural noun. You don't know English. Learn the language before you attempt to communicate in it. You're a fucking embarrassment.

Fuck them.

Way back when Trump first got elected there was an interview of a farmer and his wife on tv. They said then that if they lost their farm they MIGHT stop supporting Trump.

Maybe some people truly are too stupid to live.

It is not about abortion rights or homophobia or money. It isn't even all racism.

It is 100% xenophobia.

Trump has his Americans hating the NATO nations who "don't pay their fair share" as well as Mexico "who won't stop illegal immigrant caravans," China, the Muslim Middle East, and the Caribbean (especially the US Territory of Puerto Rico).

There ARE some countries, though, that Trump loves and wants Americans to embrace: the oligarchy of Russia; the dictatorship of "great opportunities" N. Korea; the Fascism of Brazil.

IOW, Trump wants America to be his own oligarchical Fascistic dictatorship.

And in that vision, our farmers are but as peasants, serfs, humans to be exploited until no longer useful if a better deal comes along.

If Russia wants our aluminum mines and factories and can pay Trump, Inc., for them, Russian will own them.

But Trump is the mark in the room. Russia and China will co-operate to destroy us.

Rare earth minerals, anyone?

R36, We don't have to "care about farmers"; we simply have to be citizens who don't want our country destroyed.

[quote]We don't have to "care about farmers"

If nothing else, at least your honest about that.

Your same-sex marriage right will be gone next, if you still re-elect Trump in 2020. But then again, old demented fat incel dinogays might not even care since they have no one to marry to.

They'll keep voting for him because they've been convinced the country will end because of evil liberals doing evil things, so they (consciously or not) feel that it's almost self preservation to vote GOP. That's how those grifters convince people like these farmers to vote against their own best interests.

No farm welfare on our dime.

I agree with R25, these farmers need to be drug tested before they can receive their welfare check handout from the government. And we need to make sure they can only buy corn seeds with that money.

R29- But what good is getting higher prices for their crops in the future if they go bankrupt and lose their farm before the trade war is settled?

I think that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Deplorable scum bump.

Why don't all government employees have to be drug tested before getting their paycheck?

No r42 Trump is not the only member of the Oligarchy controlling things, the Oligarchs who gave him money to run like Robert Mercer and the Kochs have their agendas too and guess what? They don't give a fuck about us. Trump is only the face for all those billionaire demons who are choking the last bit of life out of this country.

I saw some dumbass farmer from Louisiana on MSNBC defending the Orange Shitgibbon and basically saying that this was all according to some grand master plan. Maybe they deserve the hurt they're about to receive since they haven't figured out by now that: 1) there is no grand plan; 2) he is a lazy fuck who did ZERO research before declaring these tariffs; and 3) he is the world's greatest con artist.

Meanwhile, anyone with farmland near any river in the midwest has been under water for about a month now. And their glorious orange leader has said and done nothing about the flooding.

I know a lot of farmers. I'm from a Pacific State, but an inland farming region. They have been hurting and they will be hurting more. I do care about them. Some were Trump supporters, some were not - but the pain will be felt equally by both....

Some of you don’t understand that if the farmers go down, it’s not going to be good for anybody in this country, even us coast people.

R5t we do understand that, but votes have consequences. What do you expect US to do about it? Cry?

r53, the secret master plan bullshit is all part of the Q Anon narrative that these idiots keep buying no matter how many times the goal posts are moved. Alex Jones has been replaced with slightly more photogenic shit gibbons like this paid propagandist:

Buttery males!

The chicanery of Dump has no bounds: Even if Dems gave money to farmers, Fatass will divert it to his reelection funds. This is how fucked we are today.

R21 & R34? Wishing ill on fellow white americans.

This cat always lands on her feet

The sky is falling!

R21 is probably fixing to stab the first random white person it comes across. You know it. They're out there.

R21 is gonna throw a white toddler off of the nearest balcony any day now.

R57, what about that media propaganda making black citizens cower in fear over their fellow non black citizens? That's a sin to all of us. Manufactured for hit counts. Sick making!

They support GOP but they are okay with getting bailouts from the government.

And they think universal healthcare is *gasp* socialism?

Again...Canada doing so swell! Raking in billions since October. And they always will and have always had our backs. You know it!

Can't we all just get along? Will no one help the farmer?

Some of you black trolls need to get up off of your lazy asses. Make the town supply you will trash bags and dumpsters. Get to upping the value of neighborhoods on a sunny weekend. No one is gonna do it for you.

No. No one will. And rightly not.

Farmers need to Sit Down and Shut Up. This is what they voted for, and Trump does not care for one second to listen to their pussy whining now. You either trust Trump to know what's best for you (in this case, blowing up your foreign markets quickening your inevitable financial collapse, all for an extra two dollars on your tax return) or you're a sissy liberal snowflake. Period! Sad that they think they can turn on trump now, it's too late Billy Bob!

Trump will bail out the farmers. He will have no choice. They're too big to fail, plus they are his core voter.

Even if he doesn't, then Democrats still need to give the disgruntled ones a reason to vote Democrat. Democrats need to come up with a vote winning policy.

It's not just farmers themselves, but their staff, their suppliers, haulers etc that will be affected.

Another bailout? This time for farmers?

Sounds like socialism to me.

trump knows nothing about government, history, foreign relations, etc and probably reads at a 3rd grade level, but he has political kryptonite and no matter what scandals he gets embroiled in, or what stupid things he says, or what tax or trade policies he puts in force he seems to have almost the full support of the republican party and its voters. Im not too hopeful about 2020 frankly. The country seems headed further down the toilet .

Hi. We're America's farmers.

Do as we say, and nobody gets hurt!

As others have said, the farms going down is a hit on *all* of us. I’m not sure how to “talk their language” as I don’t know much about that industry, but I do know that whip-smart candidates like Pete do, and can deliver the right message to them.

We have to offer something dramatically better and different. I actually think groups that are being damaged by Trump are so mentally vulnerable that we can successfully reprogram them while they’re licking their Trump wounds.

Trump is literally the biggest loser, ever. His supporters are so stupid that they will refuse to see this unless and until *they* are damaged by his policies. Every single one of his policies is shaped by racism, xenophobia, and bigotry. Our message must include the concept that we are *better* than that — even if I no longer actually believe that. Obviously, at least half our country sucks and we have fucking failed to educate our citizens enough for them to possess the necessary higher order thinking skills to deduce that they are getting royally fucked up the ass.

[quote] whip-smart candidates like Pete

So, we've got astroturfers from both sides now.

Trump will do the bailout and the Dems will vote for it or lose all of the farming states, which they can't afford to do.

"So, we've got astroturfers from both sides now."

Honey, if you think that's astroturfing, it's gonna be a looong election season for you.

r78, all he does is post obsequiously about Buttigieg. ALL of the Buttigieg praise posts originate from that poster. So, yes, that is astroturfing.

I posted earlier about my partners family farm. The soybean market is never coming back. And global warming means the warm air holds moisture, so goodbye breadbasket.

I don't care about the politics. I am so done. Let them suffer. The rest of us are.

Actually, if the farms shut down and all the soy fields rotted we'd be on the way toward actually solving both the obesity crisis and the pill abuse crisis, given that soy causes endocrine disorders resulting in obesity and mysterious pain conditions.

Hopefully they will go out of business and get that up by large conglomerates. Then their children will be homeless without any support because will have a lemonade at the welfare system too. Boo-hoo farmers. You voted for him you get what you deserve

[quote]The soybean market is never coming back.

The soybean market didn't go anywhere, buyers like China just stopped buying from the US first. Once the tariffs are gone, soybeans will sell again. It's not like demand went away, or people will now always prefer Uruguayan soybeans. Prices always vary worldwide due to issues like crop yields and policy. There are other costs like transport involved too. Commodities are called that for a reason - there's nothing to distinguish a seller other than price.

Say “NO” to another farm bailout!

R83 China is now buying from Brazil. China does not need us. You stupid Fox News ppl think somehow the US is the center of the world. It is not. The world has new cyber treaties, new trade agreements,etc,

Soy is a bigger threat to global health than all the poppy fields in Afghanistan. The end of the usage of soy as filler in processed food would be the best thing to happen to the US in decades.

R79 you are off your rocker. I’m not that poster, I just happen to like Pete.

Carry on.

If China wants American pork they may have to take grain with it.

China is grappling with a widespread African swine flu (ASF) epidemic, a disease fatal to pigs but harmless to humans.

* The government is urging farmers to cull infected pigs to prevent the spread of the disease, which is in turn dramatically decreasing the country's pork production.

* Dutch bank Rabobank estimates that the country will kill 150 million to 200 million pigs — or one third of the country's supply — this year.

China is expected to kill about a third of all pigs in the country this year due to an outbreak of the gruesome and incurable disease, African swine flu (ASF), which will likely drive up pork prices around the world.

African swine flu has spread to almost every province in mainland China since Beijing's agriculture ministry confirmed the first outbreak in the northeastern Liaoning province, which borders North Korea, in August 2018.

The disease, which is deadly to pigs but harmless in humans, has since spread to the southern Chinese island of Hainan as well as to other Asian countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, and Mongolia, according to the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).

Some 1.02 million pigs have been culled in China so far in an effort to prevent the spread of the disease, China's agriculture ministry reported last month.

R85 Agreed. I'm a proud American, but so many of us think that the world would just stop without us. Daddy Trump's isolationism will hurt us more than anyone else

and they'll vote for Trump again.

They're THAT stupid

Too bad, farmers. You voted for him. You got him. If you are surprised that he is fucking up this badly, just never forget that you are stupid. Many of us are not surprised at all.

Brokeahontas is on the record. No do-overs! So you're stuck with him Farmers. And when you go bankrupt, his cronies will buy your land for cents on the dollar. Just as they always intended to do.

Dem-proposed programs would actually help farmers, coal miners, oil workers, and on and on and on.

GOP programs have done nothing but hurt them.

Yet they vote GOP.

They deserve the shitty lives they lead

I grow my own veggies, especially succulent, supple, ample cucumbers.

[quote]Even if he doesn't, then Democrats still need to give the disgruntled ones a reason to vote Democrat. Democrats need to come up with a vote winning policy.

How's this?

"As a Democrat, I promise not to FINISH YOU OFF AND LEAVE YOU PENNILESS and DEAD in the GUTTER like Trump!"

Is that a positive enough message for you freaks? Why do people say retarded fucking things like this? No "Positive Platform" gets people to vote for a Democrat if they aren't already doing so! Why else do seniors overwhelmingly support Republicans who promise and VOTE to cripple Medicare and Social Security?

Trump is saying to farmers what he says to veterans, "I promise not to do anything but SHIT on you because 99% of you will vote for me ANYWAY!" Why should he go out of his way to help them? I wouldn't!

[quote]You stupid Fox News ppl think somehow the US is the center of the world.

Your critical skills need some polishing, hon. I'm as liberal as they come, but I do understand economics, at least better than you. And, BTW, China was always buying from Brazil (and Paraguay, and Uruguay, and Canada, and everywhere else. Were you under the impression they only bought US beans until recently?

Oh dear, I hear farming in the Midwest, South, and Florida are collapsing.... my sincere condolences.

Wait! Did I just hear I now feed 1/4th of the entire world and my strict regulations have banned dangerous pesticides world wide ? And this is despite the huge hits my agriculture industry has taken since Trump took office? And now I am growing more citrus than Florida and have record breaking crops in vegetables and dry fruit like almonds??

Republicans were right, god wanted it to be this way....

United States grain embargo against the Soviet Union

Because Obama had a booming economy all set-up already, Trump has been coasting on those fumes for 2+ years. Tweety is only now beginning to have challenges in his presidency.

R99, and except for North Korea, he’s created or exasperated these problems himself.

China just canceled pork orders....

Trump: You get a bailout! You get a bailout! You get a bailout! Everybody gets a bailout!

But carry on voting for the Turd in 2020 regardless.

That’s why farmers are freaking out. Some are facing financial ruin now that millions of Chinese consumers, who once bought about 60 percent of American agriculture exports, have stopped buying their products. Exports to China from Minnesota dropped about 25 percent after the first round of tariffs went into effect last year, said Paap, who is president of the Minnesota Farm Bureau.

But, R102, Trump will buy up that newly-created surplus food and distribute it for free to hungry mothers and children here in the U.S., thereby making America great again.

Right?,

R103, that’s a good point. What don’t they have that distribution of surplus food like used to happen back in the 70s? There are homeless shelters and food pantries that could benefit from receiving all the food that farmers can’t sell to China.

Nah, R104. It will never happen. Better to bankrupt the farmers and allow large farming corporations to buy up the land for pennies on the dollar. The GOP has been in that tawdry business since Reagan was in office.

R104, I don’t think that happened on a large scale in the 1970s. I do remember something like that about an oversupply of butter once, but it’s very tricky. And we sold excess wheat to the Soviets.

You simply can’t make a practice of this. It’s very tricky. Farmers will sell the rotting food to the Government to give away, then sell the good food. Food prices will collapse, becoming worse for farmers. They’ll over-plant the charity food, making shortages elsewhere. It invites corruption, and for what? So our criminals benefit, instead of Chinese criminals? I’m no expert, but besides a one-time bailout, it’ll mess everything up.

I’d rather the government stay out of it completely.

On a CBC report on American farmers when the tariffs started, all of them interviewed said they would vote for Trump again save one guy who said he was sitting out the election.

Short of doing a Number 6 on them, there's nothing Trump can do that will piss off those peckerwoods enough to not vote for him.

r107 pardon my ignorance, but what’s a Number Six in this context? related to the link below?

This, R108...

Some of you need to bone up on the enormous cheese surplus our Government has stockpiled.

[quote] R110: Some of you need to bone up on the enormous cheese surplus our Government has stockpiled,

It was win-win. Farmers had excess cheese that was going to go bad, People needed cheese, It worked well.

Recently, the government sold off its helium reserves, it was a fire sale, which was incompetent was we sold too much of it too cheaply. It was a vestige of WWI war policy that we stockpile it (for dirigibles), but today, it’s used in iPhones and chips and other high tech, so we still need it and it’s rare. Maybe be there think we can find more,

That was surely not done on a hunch more could be found. It was done to use public assets to make private individuals rich. The Republican Part ey stands for that principle, even when it does not stand for much else.

R111 Helium doesn't burn, so how could it be a firesale?

Good point, R113!

Socialism much, farm bitches?

[quote]President Trump on Thursday unveiled a $16 billion bailout for farmers hurt by his trade war with Beijing, signaling a protracted fight ahead that is already prompting some American companies to shift business away from China.

Farm apocalypse now anyone????

Even as Tariff Man, as Trump likes to refer to himself, focuses only on disruption, Beijing is evidently operating on a higher level. China is outplaying the United States on two fronts.

First, while Trump is on the verge of slapping tariffs on almost everything the U.S. imports from China, Beijing is picking and choosing wisely. It went to town on American soybeans, in part because it knew that Brazil and Argentina could provide ample alternative supplies. But it has left untouched other American exports that are more difficult to replace. China could, for instance, force its state-owned airlines to immediately shift from buying Boeing to European-based Airbus, but those companies would run into trouble accessing the parts and services needed to keep their costly existing fleets running. Beijing has therefore mostly spared the aircraft sector from retaliation thus far.

Second, Trump has no real mitigation strategy to help the Americans facing the entirely foreseeable costs of his policies. Yes, he’s giving out tens of billions of dollars in agricultural subsidies—but that is, of course, a cost borne by Americans, not international rivals. His separate trade restrictions on nearly $50 billion in steel and aluminum imports have only worsened the effects of his fight with China; these restrictions have burdened American farmers by raising the cost of the equipment needed for harvesting or storing the crops they are now unable to sell abroad. And he’s compounding this short-term pain with possible long-term damage to previously healthy international relationships: Those steel and aluminum tariffs have mostly targeted trade from allies such as Europe, Canada, and Japan—not China. He also conducted a needlessly contentious renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, and has threatened tariffs on tens of billions of dollars’ worth of Japanese and European cars.

And more socialist handout for down-on-their-luck farmers!!!

Farmers may need a third round of government aid next year if political in-fighting during the 2020 U.S. election cycle prevents the Trump administration from landing trade deals and reopening top export markets, the head of the largest U.S. farm lobby said on Tuesday.

[quote]The CCC has the authority to borrow up to $30 billion from the U.S. Treasury, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

So $12 billion in the first tranche, $16 billion in the second... Where does he intend to cut now to keep his base afloat?

He's fucked California now as well.

[quote]India just increased tariffs on US exports, dealing another blow to fragile global trade.

[quote]The tariffs on 28 US products, announced on Saturday by India's Finance Ministry, went into effect Sunday. The goods targeted include American apples — which will be hit with a 70% tariff — as well as almonds, lentils and several chemical products.

Oh, and everyone was saying this was going to happen, too.

[quote]Two companies petitioned for Trump’s solar tariffs—now they’re both out of business

[quote]Two companies begged the US government to raise tariffs on imported solar panels in 2017. They got their wish. The US trade commission ruled in 2017 that domestic solar manufacturers had been harmed by cheap imports. The next year, the Trump Administration slapped a 30% tax on imported solar cells and panels (also known as modules).

[quote]Today, both firms out of business. SolarWorld Americas, actually a US subsidiary of a German company, was bought out of bankruptcy by SunPower in October. Chinese-owned Suniva filed for bankruptcy this month. The company told a judge it plans to exit the solar panel business as soon as it offloads its inventory of panels stockpiled in warehouses.

I was in agribiz for many years. I worked directly with farmers. They think they're smarter than scientists and people with business degrees. Their personality type tends be very stubborn and rigid - useful traits for enduring in a business where a five-minute storm can destroy the entire season's profit. It also means they find it extremely hard to ever admit they were wrong.

The majority of them will keep voting Republican until they are literally homeless - and then they'll shoot themselves. Because that's easier than admitting they were wrong.

I disagree.

[quote]Their personality type tends be very stubborn and rigid - useful traits for enduring in a business where a five-minute storm can destroy the entire season's profit.

But completely useless when you're exporting your product worldwide. Tariffs might be easy to understand, sure, but the rebalancing of the word trade currently playing out is decidedly not. But I won't shed any tears for them - they made a compact with the devil, in exchange for him literally opening up concentration camps for brown people. They deserve every bit of suffering coming their way.

The Dems are being mired in the Slavery Reparation claptrap, while the Repugs are doling out some sort of agricultural reparation. It only depends on which PR machine is able to paint the worst picture of their opponents' alleged handouts.

President Trump’s growing trade war is causing headaches for all the industries — as well as American consumers —as China imposed tariffs in response to Trump’s tariffs on imports.

So Maine’s iconic lobstermen are seeing red over being left out of Trump’s $16 billion bailout of “our wonderful farmers," the second giveaway aimed at cushioning them from the damage he caused with the tariffs.

"What are we, chopped lobster?” Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) asked the Washington Post after watching Trump’s press conference flanked by farmers who will benefit from the bailout.

King is joining Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and the state’s two representatives in the House of Representatives to push a bill that would provide similar relief to lobster producers as well as some industry boosting goodies.

R121 Wow, you are dead on! Farmers, by and large, are extremely stubborn and would (almost) rather die than admit fault.

Also from the Atlantic article:

“When Trump first began imposing tariffs in early 2018, his key trade strategist, Peter Navarro, infamously said, “I don’t believe any country in the world is going to retaliate.” Navarro was wrong, of course, as foes (China, Russia) and friends (European Union, Canada, Mexico) alike all immediately retaliated against American exports.”

R126 - WOWWWWW.....Peter Navarro is such a dumb old fogy.

Boo hoo Op.