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Huawei

Is Huawei evil ? Do you own a Huawei ?

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by Anonymousreply 329June 23, 2019 2:06 PM

It’s evil. It’s the Doctor Evil of evil. It’s evil with laser beams on its head. In summer, it makes meat helmets.

by Anonymousreply 1May 9, 2019 1:09 AM

Oh please. It's because they do business with Iran and that's why they went after the daughter. Pompeo is warthog Neocon along with that cancerous tumor Bolton.

Some of you never fucking learn. You just go along with this shit and then act "shocked" at the results over years. But please, buy into the bullshit again. This admin, is not about protecting the US. It's about special interest. PERIOD.

by Anonymousreply 2May 9, 2019 1:13 AM

Agree R2, Agree

by Anonymousreply 3May 9, 2019 1:23 AM

Buy Xiaomi, they're much cheaper with the same specs.

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by Anonymousreply 4May 9, 2019 1:26 AM

No, R2, Huawei actually has been caught spying and the laws in China are structured so that the company is basically an arm of the government. This isn't about Pompeo.

by Anonymousreply 5May 9, 2019 1:28 AM

R2. No, dear. Huawei has a significant percentage owned by an undeclared group which it claims is a labor union, but does not publish who the board or members of this so-called labor union are. They keep the records in a locked facility with no access, which is just more than peculiar.

In that Huawei has been implicated in multiple hacking incidents and the type of network communications equipment it manufacturers provides complete control over entire networks from the carrier level, they cannot be allowed to operate in the US as a direct and significant threat to national security. They’ve had the opportunity for more than a decade to clear up all questions about their ownership and their actual relationship with the Ministry of State Security and the Peoples Liberation Army.

by Anonymousreply 6May 9, 2019 1:29 AM

Security experts have been warning people about Huawei for many years, long before the executive was arrested in Canada or cheeto got involved.

That said, if it is politically motivated, it's more about giving an economic/political/technology rival access and control over critical aspects of technology and infrastructure, like 5G than it is about Iran.

The Chinese government exerts a lot of control over companies, some more than others. Companies like Huawei have also engaged in significant spying, piracy, and corporate espionage.

by Anonymousreply 7May 9, 2019 1:30 AM

R5, but they were after the daughter the moment they knew she was doing business with Iran, before this current story.

And BTW, do you actually believe our govt doesn't do exactly what Huawei is accused of doing? Or other countries?

by Anonymousreply 8May 9, 2019 1:31 AM

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by Anonymousreply 9May 9, 2019 1:32 AM

I love Huawei... I have a 3 year old Mate 2 that still works so well I can't even find an excuse to upgrade. Dropped it two and three times. Once on the sidewalk and just got a tiny dent in the corner. I can't even believe people care about so-called spying like a Chinese company cares about spying on your shit more than Uncle Sam.

by Anonymousreply 10May 9, 2019 1:33 AM

R9. For which government, you idiot. We’re talking about a company that is owned by a foreign government that is hostile to the interests of the United States. Get your head out of your ass, millenial shit head.

by Anonymousreply 11May 9, 2019 1:34 AM

R11 so for a stupid fat old fart like you, spying for corporations is okay? And by the way, every government in the world isn't working for the interests of the US government. Stop your stupid cold war thinking now, auntie.

by Anonymousreply 12May 9, 2019 1:37 AM

Anything Chinese is trash.

by Anonymousreply 13May 9, 2019 1:39 AM

Huawei is good! Good for you!

by Anonymousreply 14May 9, 2019 1:42 AM

Talking about spying, there’s CCTV everywhere these days

by Anonymousreply 15May 9, 2019 3:22 AM

R12 You’re a millennial, aren’t you? This is what happens with helicopter parenting. We get retarded children who can’t engage intelligently at any level. You don’t even understand what “espionage” is. You voted for Trump.

Go back to your part time job at the crafts store and enjoy your drum circle.

by Anonymousreply 16May 9, 2019 4:20 AM

I thought he and Alex Jones were the same person.

by Anonymousreply 17May 9, 2019 4:40 AM

^ wrong thread. I have no idea how I got in here.

But while I’m here, if you have any devices from this brand then do yourself a favor and throw them in the river.

As you were.

by Anonymousreply 18May 9, 2019 4:46 AM

Oh wait, this is the Pompeo thread. Ok, I am in the right place.

by Anonymousreply 19May 9, 2019 4:47 AM

Huawei brand song

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by Anonymousreply 20May 9, 2019 5:40 AM

Huawei is on another floor in our building.

So are the Chinese trying to spy on us? I work for the feds.

by Anonymousreply 21May 9, 2019 5:48 AM

The "Auntie" poster needs to kill xhirself, stat.

by Anonymousreply 22May 9, 2019 8:22 AM

R22 auntie needs to terminate her whole family of idiots. End of.

And oh, Trump Is Losing the Fight to Ban Huawei From Global Networks. LOL. I guess Huawei is more trustworthy than the NSA. LOL. Or maybe better have your phone tapped by the enemy than by your ally.

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by Anonymousreply 23May 9, 2019 3:06 PM

R23 don't you have some Drag Race threads to patronise where you can rant about how The Vixen is stunning and brave and is fighting for black bodies everywhere and everyone who disagrees is old and fat and racist?

by Anonymousreply 24May 9, 2019 4:17 PM

R24 are you talking about your own TV habit, you old fat bald ugly fag? You seem to know the program really well, auntie.

Oh U.S. campaign against Huawei hits a snag south of the border. Nobody gives a shit about the US warning these days! LOL

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by Anonymousreply 25May 9, 2019 4:46 PM

Ah, blocked the racist troll. Threads so much quieter now.

by Anonymousreply 26May 9, 2019 7:36 PM

US is always spying on its allies.

by Anonymousreply 27May 10, 2019 12:07 AM

R21. It’s not exactly news, and has been the subject of Congressional hearings going back a number of years.

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by Anonymousreply 28May 10, 2019 12:15 AM

Obama's security officials are now registered agents for China and Huawei, though Obama supports him in this, he also called the NSA spying on Huawei as perfectly acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 29May 10, 2019 12:28 AM

R29. Samir Jain is a registered lobbyist for Huawei. He works for Jones Day, which is one of the largest law firms in the world.

I wouldn’t defend him representing a Chinese firm with these issues. It’s deplorable. It’s the Washington revolving door. I’m glad you brought it up, though. Democrats are no more immune to the jackpot syndrome than Republicans, unfortunately. All the democrats who represent Russian, Chinese and dubious foreign companies will become Trump hatchet targets in the campaign.

by Anonymousreply 30May 10, 2019 12:43 AM

Huawei is more than a Chinese company. It's a multi-national corporation with facilities and investment all over the world. That it hires non-Chinese to deal with business or legal matters outside of China is par for the course.

by Anonymousreply 31May 16, 2019 5:53 AM

I remember being instructed to avoid using Huawei routers in our company networks years ago because of the inclusion of stealth taps.

by Anonymousreply 32May 16, 2019 5:59 AM

There is no verifiable evidence that Huawei spying on anyone. The U.S. Govt is trying to protect their interest in the telecom market so they are trying to damage the brand by creating trumped up charged (no pun intended) against the CFO and creating hysteria with the rest of the world by saying there's the POTENTIAL that they could be an agent for China's govt. some countries who are not lapdogs are not taking kindly to the threats by the U.S. And are basically saying we can figure out what is in OUR country's best interest without the U.S. Interfering. It's sort of pathetic that the U.S. Feels this threatened by China. If we are as strong as we always say we are, then there's nothing wrong with a little competition.

by Anonymousreply 33May 16, 2019 6:15 AM

R33 Yes, the US government is now into harassing a Chinese multinational corporation. It is pathetic. But Huawei is not like ZTE, the previous Chinese company the US extorted concessions from. Huawei has way more clout domestically in China and internationally, and it also has been planning for this day for a few years now after witnessing the ZTE debacle. Trump has not only devastated US export farmers, but now he has put all the American brands/businesses in China at risk. Every move in a trade war has rippling effects and substantial collateral damage. That's why smart leaders don't start trade war but build up new trade pacts that favor trade between the country and its allies over adversaries.

by Anonymousreply 34May 16, 2019 8:48 AM

I am Chinese. I know many Chinese private enterprises hate the endless censorship of Chinese government that increase their operating costs for nothing but Huawei is clearly different. It is one of those companies that have strong government background. Ren Zhengfei, the father of Meng Wanzhou and the founder of Huawei came from The Chinese People's Liberation Army and have very close connection with many highest-ranking military officer. Ren's first wife Meng Jun is the daughter of Meng dongbo who is the former vice governor of Sichuang Province.

by Anonymousreply 35May 16, 2019 10:36 AM

Huawei may not spy on anyone because there is no much benefit of spying ordinary U.S citizens. But I highly doubted they might did something for CCP. Just like doing business with Iran. I don't think they did this just for the money because that doesn't worth the risk. I think they did this to help Iran to defend the West.

by Anonymousreply 36May 16, 2019 11:08 AM

And with Anus Lips as the US leader, with whom do you think small countries will choose to side: The US or China?

Singapore urged the U.S. to allow China to have a greater say in shaping global rules to avoid a prolonged clash that could force smaller countries to choose between the world’s biggest economies.

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by Anonymousreply 37May 16, 2019 11:42 AM

Macron's Answer to Trump's Threat: Europe Won't Block Huawei.

Meanwhile, France has looked to clamp down on tech giants like Facebook, Google and Amazon over their taxation practices, proposing a 3% levy on the domestic revenues of such firms.

Sad pariah now, Trump! LOL

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by Anonymousreply 38May 16, 2019 11:52 AM

I feel like if a democrat was in office, you wouldn't be arguing this recommendation.

by Anonymousreply 39May 16, 2019 12:24 PM

A Dem president wouldn't have started an endless trade war or be a drama queen about China.

by Anonymousreply 40May 16, 2019 12:48 PM

I'm certain that Huawei phones are full of spyware, but they're pretty cheap right now, so I just bought one for my teenage daughter.

I'm sure the Chinese Ministry of Security is dying to hear about who's crushing on whom right now, and why Lilly is such a whore for sleeping with other girls' boyfriends.

by Anonymousreply 41May 16, 2019 3:20 PM

If the Democrat were in the White House, none of this shit show would have happened!!!!

R39 go clean your dentures before you pipe up again. What a stupid comment you made there!

by Anonymousreply 42May 16, 2019 3:33 PM

Yes, Trump dumped a long term solution (TPP) for a destructive trade war. You don't get rid of a trade deficit by getting rid of trade. Truly a solution devised by morons for a moron-in-chief.

by Anonymousreply 43May 16, 2019 9:15 PM

You can't trade with anyone if you see them as your enemies, instead of your trading partners who are reciprocally beneficial in trade. Trump is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia evidently.

"Restricting Huawei from doing business in the US will not make the US more secure or stronger; instead, this will only serve to limit the US to inferior yet more expensive alternatives, leaving the US lagging behind in 5G deployment, and eventually harming the interests of US companies and consumers," Huawei told CNBC. "In addition, unreasonable restrictions will infringe upon Huawei's rights and raise other serious legal issues."

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by Anonymousreply 44May 16, 2019 9:23 PM

Yes yes r44, we all read Huawei's PR spin on this. If the company weren't in bed with the PRC this wouldn't be an issue.

by Anonymousreply 45May 16, 2019 10:56 PM

Everything would be an issue with China around Trump. Just ask Angela and Emmanuel, they didn't have any beef with Huawei. Must be brilliant PR spin here. Well, fuck Trump for trying to destroy the world!!

by Anonymousreply 46May 16, 2019 11:08 PM

Fuck Huawei and all them chinese cunts!!! They have a dog eating festival, need I say more!??!

by Anonymousreply 47May 16, 2019 11:12 PM

Huawei hosts a dog eating festival? Does that help with their smartphone sale?

by Anonymousreply 48May 16, 2019 11:19 PM

Here’s what our government is not telling us in our regular, daily news broadcasts: who ever controls 5G, controls the world.

Guess who has 5G on lockdown? China. Not the United States. We’re not in the game at all. Our DoD and other agencies, including our current defense and national security chiefs, have told AT&T, Apple, and other companies that the United States or they specifically, cannot operate within the shared bandwidth that the Chinese occupy, for national security reasons. Our networks are non compatible with 5G.

I cannot understand how we allowed this to happen, without looking ahead 15 years or less, before now, but we did, and we can basically go fuck ourselves for a very long time.

by Anonymousreply 49May 16, 2019 11:42 PM

R41, really? Which version, and on 4G, yes? I understood, perhaps incorrectly, that you couldn’t purchase a Huawei for usage in the United States.

Perhaps I misread.

by Anonymousreply 50May 16, 2019 11:46 PM

US tech companies could lose billions in revenue when Huawei is banned from buying from them. Shooting yourself in the foot must be the same as winning in Trumplandia.

by Anonymousreply 51May 18, 2019 1:04 AM

LOL The frustration of wanting to destroy China is real.

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by Anonymousreply 52May 18, 2019 1:33 AM

How other countries are responding to Trump's Huawei threat

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by Anonymousreply 53May 18, 2019 1:34 AM

I bought a $150 Huawei/Honor for my about 18 months ago. It was her entry into the smartphone world. I taught her to use a handful of apps. She doesn't email or surf the internet. If Huawei are spying on her, they're going to be bored to death. I wouldn't use one because I do a lot more on my phone, but for my mom, it's a really good value.

by Anonymousreply 54May 18, 2019 1:42 AM

R54 They've got a billion Chinese to spy on... they don't have time for your mom, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 55May 18, 2019 1:44 AM

R55, exactly. It's a good phone for $150.

by Anonymousreply 56May 18, 2019 1:54 AM

Trump stamping his little feet. As if we matter on the world stage anymore. We are frozen out. No one wants to play with the bully in the school yard

by Anonymousreply 57May 18, 2019 2:06 AM

Trump opened a can of Chinese worms... it would be karma if this sinks his 2020 bid.

by Anonymousreply 58May 18, 2019 11:37 AM

Inbred red states complain they might not have good internet connection to watch incest and bestial porn, Trump has to walk back from his lame threat against Huawei!!! Lame!

US may scale back Huawei trade restrictions to help existing customers

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by Anonymousreply 59May 18, 2019 12:03 PM

“Out of $70 billion Huawei spent for buying components in 2018, some $11 billion went to U.S. firms”

by Anonymousreply 60May 18, 2019 12:47 PM

To all the people who say I don’t care if me or my loved ones are spied on, because we are boring and what we do is of no interest to the Chinese... that is hardly the point; if you **willingly** give up your privacy to anyone, foreign or domestic, for the sake of saving a few bucks you deserve all you get. Once privacy is gone, it’s gone for good.

by Anonymousreply 61May 18, 2019 1:39 PM

You guys are so ignorant. Try reading the news once in a while. Chinese are one of the biggest spies in the world! They spy not just for military but for business know how and tech. Even if you're a nobody at a US firm, could be agriculture, tech, anything really, they send you link to infect your computer and see what they can steal to use to their own benefit. They even spy on professors at universities. Chinese are cunts, never trust them.

by Anonymousreply 62May 18, 2019 2:31 PM

Harry once asked Peter Crouch how he "bagged" his wife Abbie, a model. Peter is a footballer and not good looking. video at 1:14, he talks about it.

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by Anonymousreply 63May 18, 2019 2:39 PM

damn, sorry wrong thread!

by Anonymousreply 64May 18, 2019 2:40 PM

[quote]Inbred red states complain they might not have good internet connection to watch incest and bestial porn, Trump has to walk back from his lame threat against Huawei!!! Lame!

There are more child molesters in Hollywood and NYC than in all of flyover country. Pretty much every kid actor you ever see in TV or movies got pawed over and put to use sexually by a show-biz exec at some point. Ponder that next time you watch Hollywood's soulless product.

by Anonymousreply 65May 18, 2019 2:58 PM

This is why you should root your Android phone.

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by Anonymousreply 66May 18, 2019 3:17 PM

R65 don't be so triggered and deflecting, red-state bitch. Yes there are child molesters everywhere even in the Vatican. But I was "narrating" the news. Take your med and keep calm.

by Anonymousreply 67May 18, 2019 3:25 PM

Now this.

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by Anonymousreply 68May 18, 2019 3:27 PM

[quote] there are child molesters everywhere even in the Vatican

B-b-but the Catholics . . .

by Anonymousreply 69May 18, 2019 3:29 PM

Not all Chinese are spies. Most are just the victims of the communists. Meanwhile some white guys could easily be or were already bought by the money of CCP. Fuck you racists!

by Anonymousreply 70May 18, 2019 4:49 PM

Not all Chinese companies are spying intentionally. However, they all are probably spies in some capacity.

by Anonymousreply 71May 18, 2019 4:58 PM

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by Anonymousreply 72May 18, 2019 5:37 PM

R62 By news you must mean your Trump/Fox News fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 73May 18, 2019 9:18 PM

It's no more evil than google or Facebook. I dont own a google it Facebook

by Anonymousreply 74May 18, 2019 11:47 PM

Oh, it is r74, but thank you for your reasoned bad English "both sides do it" opinion 🙄

by Anonymousreply 75May 19, 2019 12:08 AM

R72, yes an Israeli company owns a spy tool that can hack into ANY text messages on ANY phone in the world. I saw this report on 60min. This tool was supposedly used in the death of that Journo Jamal Khashoggi who got hacked to death in the consulate. They tracked the text messages of Jamal's friend and know when he was gonna go etc. The Israeli company denied it of course.

by Anonymousreply 76May 19, 2019 4:54 AM

Chinese intelligence agents acquired National Security Agency hacking tools and repurposed them in 2016 to attack American allies and private companies in Europe and Asia

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by Anonymousreply 77May 19, 2019 5:05 AM

You have to blame the NSA for allowing its nefarious "cyber weapons" to be stolen/grabbed from its secret vault and spread around the world, causing billions of dollar in damages. And now they try to nonchalantly divert the blame to someone else. What a cunty-shitty agency!!!

Hacking group auctions 'cyber weapons' stolen from NSA - The Guardian

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by Anonymousreply 78May 19, 2019 5:11 AM

R77 So the Chinese got the tools because they caught Americans trying to hack them...

by Anonymousreply 79May 19, 2019 5:21 AM

Huawei's Android will be the best thing that ever happens to mobile phones.

[quote]Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license that is freely open to anyone who wishes to use it.

[quote]But Google will stop providing any technical support and collaboration for Android and Google services to Huawei going forward, the source said.

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by Anonymousreply 80May 19, 2019 6:33 PM

This thread reeks of chink trolls!

by Anonymousreply 81May 19, 2019 7:18 PM

I will NEVER buy Chinese brands. I know I can't avoid things made in China...but Chinese Brands will NEVER get my money.

by Anonymousreply 82May 19, 2019 7:33 PM

This is like a poker game between Huawei vs. US/Trump/Chip companies/Google... It might stress out some people, but it's quite interesting to watch as the big boys play their hands back and forth.

by Anonymousreply 83May 20, 2019 10:15 AM

Lots of Ill informed people here

by Anonymousreply 84May 20, 2019 10:40 AM

Huawei should be sold to an independent party

by Anonymousreply 85May 20, 2019 11:00 AM

A Chinese tech company executive has privately slammed the “insane decision” by the United States to restrict the phone company’s access to Google’s Android operating system and apps.

Panicked Huawei owners are already selling their smartphones amid fears they’ll stop working properly, a top trade-in site has warned.

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by Anonymousreply 86May 20, 2019 10:26 PM

R82, while I agree with your sentiments, almost everything in your home was made in China, regardless of the brand names, unless of course, you’re well off enough to buy things made in Europe, Canada, and the USA.

by Anonymousreply 87May 21, 2019 12:19 AM

Should I get rid of my Huawei ?

by Anonymousreply 88May 21, 2019 3:42 AM

R62, actually the Chinese are probably second to the U.S. In terms of spying. Ever heard of the CIA? A spy agency but we like to call it something different.

by Anonymousreply 89May 21, 2019 4:01 AM

I like that they have Leica branded cameras in their top phones.

by Anonymousreply 90May 21, 2019 5:00 AM

What's the big deal with China. I don't see anything to fear. I just resent how they treat animals.

by Anonymousreply 91May 21, 2019 5:01 AM

R91 The big deal is China is moving ahead faster than the US can handle. When China's sphere of influence spreads all over Eurasia + Africa, who the fuck would listen to the US anymore? For the power hungry egomaniacs in Washington used to calling the shot in the world, that's a huge deal.

by Anonymousreply 92May 21, 2019 5:08 AM

R92, but to the average American, should we be concerned?

by Anonymousreply 93May 21, 2019 5:12 AM

R93 Trump is gonna make the average Americans concerned when the prices go up for consumer goods.

by Anonymousreply 94May 21, 2019 5:22 AM

R47, of course they eat the dogs. It's the right thing to do after they skin them for cell phone cases.

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by Anonymousreply 95May 21, 2019 5:33 AM

R91, others in the world dislike how we Americans treat animals too. Dog fighting, cock fighting, etc. have you seen the abhorrent treatment of cows and chickens in slaughter houses. Puppy mills! How many dogs and cats are just dumped on the street after Americans grow tired of them. Just look at all the animal shelters. You see, you can take a small portion of any culture and twist it anyway you want for ones own narrative.

by Anonymousreply 96May 21, 2019 6:26 AM

R96, I know, I intentionally didn't get into that. China is particularly famous for animal cruelty, for whatever reason. The Simpsons had a particularly cutting joke about it.

by Anonymousreply 97May 21, 2019 7:47 AM

American people treat their old folks like dog shit and they still have audacity to lecture others on animal cruelty? I laugh so much my spleen almost breaks.

And the Turd is probably the last bitch in this saying: he who knows nothing about his own strength and nothing about his enemy.

[quote]“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Trump Administration Eases Ban On Huawei After Technology Stocks Tumble. LOL. How does it feel like for tasering your own butthole, the Turd?

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by Anonymousreply 98May 21, 2019 10:05 AM

And there's no shred of evidence to prove to the world regarding this impending catastrophe of Huawei's domination of the 5G networks.

Europeans pushed back, too. During one closed-door session, senior representatives from European telecom operators pressed a U.S. official for hard evidence that Huawei presented a security risk. One executive demanded to see a smoking gun, recalled the U.S. official.

The American official fired back: “If the gun is smoking, you’ve already been shot. I don’t know why you’re lining up in front of a loaded weapon.”

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by Anonymousreply 99May 21, 2019 9:19 PM

R99 So they admit they are essentially spreading fear and paranoia.

by Anonymousreply 100May 21, 2019 9:24 PM

R98, you’re Chinese, yes???

Welcome to DataLounge. We too, dislike the orange turd, who is now our President. We hope that 2020 brings us better prospects, and a new leader.

Personally, I hope that people in your country become economically sound. It is very unappealing that the poor in China eat dogs and cats. No human should live on these things. And while I agree that many Americans abandon the care of their elderly parents, we do not eat them, so there’s that.

We want our American farmers to prosper and not go bankrupt, and we hope that the trade negotiations are fair to all.

All of this being said, let’s at the very least be honest, and recognize that there is a security risk for all involved, regarding 5G. Even if the risk is purely based on economics, that in itself, is a security risk.

by Anonymousreply 101May 21, 2019 10:12 PM

[R100] Not really paranoia though as China's PLA has been caught doing all sort of IP thefts on behalf of the CCP quite a while now and since Huawei is simply a CCP tool/company the fear is mostly justified. Whether the EU countries want to take the risk or not is another subject.

by Anonymousreply 102May 21, 2019 10:20 PM

R102 Huawei has an annual R&D budget of $15-20 billion and holds many of the 5G IPs. I doubt they need to steal anything now.

by Anonymousreply 103May 22, 2019 12:25 AM

China knows what it's doing.

It's an IQ thing.

by Anonymousreply 104May 22, 2019 3:10 AM

I had an Android phone I used on Google Fi. It was a branded a Nexus maybe but it was made by Huawei. It was fine.

by Anonymousreply 105May 22, 2019 3:13 AM

Ah. Nexus 6P. Good phone. Still, I switched to Apple and gave it to a friend.

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by Anonymousreply 106May 22, 2019 3:14 AM

R88 Try to uninstall the “bundled” Huawai apps included. That’s part of the reason it has a dubious reputation in the cybersecurity world.

by Anonymousreply 107May 22, 2019 3:15 AM

They live Huawei.

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by Anonymousreply 108May 22, 2019 3:22 AM

*Love

by Anonymousreply 109May 22, 2019 3:22 AM

Huawei

Henry

Leica

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by Anonymousreply 110May 22, 2019 3:23 AM

Visiting Huawei.

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by Anonymousreply 111May 22, 2019 3:24 AM

R101 - Are you fat old ugly stupid homo clairvoyant? People who disagree with you nowadays are either Russian or Chinese or Iranian, I guess education system in America is a total failure or maybe you fat fug just didn't go to school at all. Your fat ugly cows seem to regurgitate the same old shitty script of argument everywhere, just like your fat ugly bros on the right always do.

[quote]German microprocessor group Infineon has reportedly stopped shipping to Huawei, and other chipmakers including Japan’s Toshiba are assessing whether or not they will follow suit. This illustrates the interconnectedness of global supply chains and factory floors: A German or Japanese company is often dependent on US capital equipment or research and development.

And you farm bitch Trumptard still can't see the intricacy of the global trade these days, still stuck in the idiotic and simplistic Cold War mindset of old fats and dying geezers. Our farmers, my ass!!!

And by the way, you really don't know shit about economic risks if you foolishly assume that a company with an annual revenue of more than $100 billion would risk their livelihood to spy on their customers the way those racist Australians want the world to believe. If you want the world to believe that Huawei really spied on their customers, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE??? Just reproduce it in the lab if it can be done, If no, go fuck yourself with a cattle prod and take your blood pressure & psyche med, you're too stupid and too fat to talk any sense on this issue.

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by Anonymousreply 112May 22, 2019 6:02 AM

Keep prodding the dragon, morons. America's 250 years old. A blip.

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by Anonymousreply 113May 22, 2019 6:09 AM

Huawei is obliged to hand over information to the Chinese government if requested to do so. It is not whether they actually spy on anyone. It’s the potential to do so.

by Anonymousreply 114May 22, 2019 6:11 AM

R114 Except the equipment sold to foreign countries are not operated by Huawei, so how could Huawei have any information? It's not like other countries have no idea how to safeguard their own security. Conspiracy thinking without even a real world case to support it is just paranoia.

by Anonymousreply 115May 22, 2019 6:50 AM

R115 You don’t know that. The ‘equipments’ could be tampered with.

by Anonymousreply 116May 22, 2019 1:03 PM

R112, the reason that I assumed that you are Chinese, or a foreigner, is because your English and grammar of the language, are ATROCIOUS.

Read what you’ve written in this thread. Either you are an American, who is very poor writer & apparently learned very little in school, an American who is deliberately attempting to write in an unauthentic style for whatever reason, or you are a foreigner who is so full of bravado & hubris, that you believe mistakenly you have proper command of the English language.

Heads up, you don’t.

Also, Americans don’t consistently feel the need call other participants in public forums, “faggot”, “fat”, etc., when discussing a piece of junk phone, or security risks posed by 5G networks, or trade. That is distinctly a trait mired in contempt, & is most likely generated by those who have invested outcomes in foreign countries, because they are from those foreign countries.

You sound like you’re on drugs as well, by the way.

Now please, take a deep breath, & go fuck yourself after you have Fido for breakfast, you silly cunt.

by Anonymousreply 117May 23, 2019 1:39 AM

R117 What the heck are you talking about? Americans do use "faggot", "fat", and worse in public forums.

by Anonymousreply 118May 23, 2019 1:45 AM

R117 seems deeply triggered, she had to write an essay here which she didn't have a chance to do when she was younger. Get a life, fat cow.

by Anonymousreply 119May 23, 2019 2:30 AM

No one with information worth stealing would be caught dead using a junky plastic Huawei anything.

by Anonymousreply 120May 23, 2019 3:00 AM

I mean I must admit this is pretty awesome. This could be the answer to our border issues. Complete awareness and control. Security.

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by Anonymousreply 121May 23, 2019 4:08 AM

Huawei phone’s incredible 50x zoom ‘spy camera’ is the REAL reason firm was banned by Donald Trump.

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by Anonymousreply 122May 23, 2019 4:15 AM

R120 Which mean the majority of the planet... I have used Huawei for 3-4 years, and nothing "stolen" yet, but then I am broke!

by Anonymousreply 123May 23, 2019 4:31 AM

Boycott Huawei!

by Anonymousreply 124May 23, 2019 4:35 AM

R124 Perfect time for me to upgrade to Huawei when the prices come down!

by Anonymousreply 125May 23, 2019 4:39 AM

Is the company's name pronounced: WHY?

by Anonymousreply 126May 23, 2019 4:43 AM

^no

by Anonymousreply 127May 23, 2019 5:45 AM

Huawei has ~21% of the world's Android phone market. Xiaomi, Vivo and Oppo are all Chinese brands. Together they hold ~50% of the market. Add in lesser known Chinese brands you get >60%! Many Chinese branded smartphones are built in China through OEM like Taiwan-based Foxconn. Attacking Huawei doesn't change the dependence of the industry on China very much other than spurring Huawei to create a different path for their handsets.

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by Anonymousreply 128May 23, 2019 5:50 AM

R128 *Many NON-Chinese branded

by Anonymousreply 129May 23, 2019 5:51 AM

R117, you might want to double check your usage of commas...especially if you are calling someone else out on grammar.

by Anonymousreply 130May 23, 2019 6:28 AM
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by Anonymousreply 131May 23, 2019 9:05 AM

This will backfire spectacularly in the Turd's cunt face very soon, hopefully before he gets impeached by Ms Pelosi et al. Just sad.

The Chinese threat helps the tech industry answer tough questions that have been raised about its impact on Western democracies.

Worried about tech’s surveillance of your everyday activities? Well, the Chinese have an even more invasive surveillance system.

Don’t like the (near-)monopolistic position that tech companies have in their core markets? If you hurt American Big Tech, you’re only opening up the field for Chinese entrants.

Want to break up Facebook? Its toughest challenger since Snapchat, the beloved new social-media app TikTok, is owned by a Chinese company, ByteDance.

Want to ratchet up the congressional pressure on tech companies to give far-right viewpoints stronger oversight? Tech can point to the Chinese government, which is known to censor and shape political discourse online, as a kind of anti-pattern, the bottom at the end of the interventionist slippery slope.

Worried about the breakneck developments in AI and their deployment across the national-security apparatus? But the Chinese. But the Chinese! But the Chinese!?

American power players love nothing more than a hegemonic challenge to catalyze and justify their actions.

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by Anonymousreply 132May 23, 2019 10:07 AM

It's more a wakeup call for Chinese companies... dependence on American/Western companies will be an Achilles' heel to their development. Once they get big or advanced enough, the US will shoot them in the Achilles' heel. At least Huawei has made contingency plans, but I bet many other companies don't have any plans at all and are at the mercy of any US/Trump tamper tantrums. They might think it would never happen to them, but they ignore this warning at their own peril.

by Anonymousreply 133May 23, 2019 10:29 AM

R133 *temper tantrums.

by Anonymousreply 134May 23, 2019 10:33 AM

HUAWEI has an edge on 5g, Europeans on in the fence about this, US doesnt want China ahead.

by Anonymousreply 135May 23, 2019 10:34 AM

The moral of the story: Make good products but try not to take away the market shares of any American products. Otherwise, you'll be marked for annihilation.

[quote]There are risks to both American and China in this standoff. While Weber believes the US has the upper hand in the short term, he contends China, if it can navigate the internal political risks of disruption, has the long term advantage because of its size and resources. China, he said, could shut Apple out of the Chinese market and that would hit the US stock market hard.

[quote]Already, there are reports that some Chinese, motivated by national interest, are dumping iPhones for Huawei devices.

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by Anonymousreply 136May 23, 2019 1:52 PM

R135 It's not just Apple. GM, Starbucks, KFC, McDonald, Coca Cola, Pepsi and other American companies make a lot of money from Chinese consumers. The US government can't expect to bully Huawei and not get push back from Chinese consumers.

by Anonymousreply 137May 23, 2019 2:16 PM

It would have been fine if Huawei were an ‘independent’ company

by Anonymousreply 138May 23, 2019 3:57 PM

R138, is Microsoft an "independent" company? Pentagon contracts, etc.

This is like when the humans attacked 01 in the Matrix Animatrix prequel.

by Anonymousreply 139May 23, 2019 4:35 PM

Hubristic humans.

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by Anonymousreply 140May 23, 2019 4:36 PM

Get ready for a backlash. 1.2 billion high-IQ minds will soon deploy and fight back. Assisted by AI.

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by Anonymousreply 141May 23, 2019 4:38 PM

Jack Ma is a member of the Communist Party. Is Alibaba an independent company? Your idea of an independent company is so backward and antiquated. Probably a throwback to your childhood concept of companies in the 1920s? R138

by Anonymousreply 142May 23, 2019 6:02 PM

^ But alibaba can’t do shit like Huawei can

by Anonymousreply 143May 23, 2019 9:35 PM

The tower offices they have erected in Central Budapest are fucking ugly, and so is the Deloitte building. There, I said it.

by Anonymousreply 144May 23, 2019 11:22 PM

At least till iPhone overtakes Huawei

by Anonymousreply 145May 24, 2019 1:11 AM

R139. MIcrosoft isn’t owned by the Department of Defense, dumbfuck.

by Anonymousreply 146May 24, 2019 2:12 AM
by Anonymousreply 147May 24, 2019 9:21 PM

Well this thread went downhill fast.

by Anonymousreply 148May 24, 2019 9:35 PM

R146 - not conspicuously owned by the DoD, no, but you'd have to be significantly naive to think Black Ops tech contracts aren't negotiated regularly behind closed doors and under confidentiality restrictions. Anything connected to the internet and technology is under the umbrella of some government department. This article presents a good summary.

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by Anonymousreply 149May 24, 2019 9:54 PM

Yes. Yes, they are evil.

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by Anonymousreply 150May 25, 2019 11:44 AM

They're recently resilient. They practice "gaman" (same word in Korean and Japanese, originally Chinese or course but I don't know their version). They tolerate discomfort and struggle in a way most Americans don't.

Expect a third great smartphone OS to emerge from China's tech titans in a few years.

They're playing a long game. They've been around for millennia. We routinely underestimate them.

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by Anonymousreply 151May 25, 2019 12:04 PM

Let's see how they handle the roll out of the bendable Mate X announced few months ago. If they can pull that off as planned, they can win some PR points.

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by Anonymousreply 152May 25, 2019 12:36 PM

If You Don’t Know, Now You Know: 5G | The Daily Show

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by Anonymousreply 153May 25, 2019 5:27 PM
by Anonymousreply 154May 26, 2019 1:59 AM

Hmm.

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by Anonymousreply 155May 26, 2019 10:28 AM

Crazy.

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by Anonymousreply 156May 26, 2019 10:32 AM

Hongmeng OS 😂

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by Anonymousreply 157May 26, 2019 10:42 AM

R155 they do know that a large portion of Apple products are assembled in China, right?

by Anonymousreply 158May 26, 2019 12:53 PM

R158 Of course, they do. But China doesn't make the profit from iPhone sales... Apple does. if the US is going out of its way to harm Huawei's global sales, Chinese can do their part to even the score domestically.

by Anonymousreply 159May 26, 2019 1:24 PM

New OS could be named Ark OS, at least outside of China.

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by Anonymousreply 160May 27, 2019 5:44 PM

Huwaei are absolutely spying.

You’d be crazy to buy a piece of Chinese spyware voluntarily.

by Anonymousreply 161May 27, 2019 5:47 PM

The worst terrorist/spy organization in the world is in your backyard, bitches. There's an evidence coming out everyday. Stop deflecting the blame.

The EternalBlue flaw has been implicated in a range of cyber-attacks over the past three years, including the WannaCry assault that disrupted the UK's NHS.

It involves a bug in old versions of Microsoft's Windows operating system that allows other malicious code to be run on infected computers.

The NSA reportedly created a tool to do this, which it also called EternalBlue.

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by Anonymousreply 162May 27, 2019 6:28 PM

Now the US is intercepting Huawei's documents via Fed-Ex. Talking about helping oneself to other people's property so blatantly.

“The recent experiences where important commercial documents sent via FedEx were not delivered to their destination, and instead were either diverted to, or were requested to be diverted to, FedEx in the United States, undermines our confidence,” Joe Kelly, a spokesman for Huawei, told Reuters. “We will now have to review our logistics and document delivery support requirements as a direct result of these incidents,” the spokesman said.

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by Anonymousreply 163May 27, 2019 9:41 PM

US is still the biggest spy network

by Anonymousreply 164May 27, 2019 10:41 PM

The us will do whatever it takes to remain top dog. The British did the same 100 years ago, it took two world wars for the British Empire to fall. Nobody can afford ww3, everyone has to compromise.

by Anonymousreply 165May 28, 2019 1:16 AM

China will be topdog eventually though

by Anonymousreply 166May 28, 2019 1:26 AM

Top dog=top bully

by Anonymousreply 167May 28, 2019 1:33 AM

R165 That's why people are predicting a "Tech Cold War".

by Anonymousreply 168May 28, 2019 2:33 AM

The US can slow the Chinese down a few years, but they can't stop the inevitable ascension of China. But the reason which would terrify the US the most is that a country doesn't need to be a capitalist democracy to become the world's superpower. Then this world order enforced by the US will come crumbling down so chaotically.

[quote]Perhaps most critically, though, China has evinced little desire to replace the United States in its present capacity. While increasingly global in scope, Beijing's foreign policy remains parochial in objectives, aimed more at sustaining its growth and cementing its centrality within the Asia-Pacific than at furnishing global public goods.

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by Anonymousreply 169May 28, 2019 11:08 AM

China knows full well being a global superpower is what's killing the US, so why would it want to replace the US in that role?

by Anonymousreply 170May 28, 2019 12:40 PM

The world is heading towards a multipolar direction, with different countries dominating a specific region. I am not too sure about the EU though, might not last long.

by Anonymousreply 171May 28, 2019 5:57 PM

R171 Certainly, the "Old World" is striking out on its own after decades of living under US hegemony. China is the leader with its BRI initiative to help and influence developing countries across Africa and SE Asia. Manufacturing will move into Africa and SE Asia where the cheap labor forces are, and the products will be exported to Europe and East Asia. The land route of BRI also ties Europe, Russia, Central Asia and China together. Those who are anti-China will be left out of the loop... the US, India, Australia, etc. That's why the Trade War is actually good in the long run for China as it forces China to seek ways to be economically independent from the US and focus on developing its own trade with other strategic partners.

by Anonymousreply 172May 29, 2019 4:49 AM

R172 you could say the same for the US.

by Anonymousreply 173May 29, 2019 5:16 AM

R173 That's what the TPP was for. So the US can gradually seek to be economically independent from China and focus on developing its own trade with other strategic partners. The Trade War is only to sabotage China and screw up the US economy in the short term, but doesn't do shit in achieving US long term goals.

by Anonymousreply 174May 29, 2019 5:23 AM

My wireless ISP in rural AZ delivers internet via a combination of Huawei and Ubiquiti radios, backhaul solutions, and switches. Apparently the Huawei equipment is cheap and functional.

by Anonymousreply 175May 29, 2019 5:55 AM

And the US government is accusing Huawei of spying!!!

How your iPhone harvests your personal data while you SLEEP: Popular apps use hidden trackers to collect emails, IP addresses and other sensitive information without consent

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by Anonymousreply 176May 29, 2019 10:46 AM

R176 The difference is Huawei doing it for the Communist Party

by Anonymousreply 177May 29, 2019 10:53 AM

R177 The difference is the Communist Party doesn't give a shit about American nobodies.

by Anonymousreply 178May 29, 2019 11:44 AM

R178 You mean like stealing intelligence and secrets ?

by Anonymousreply 179May 29, 2019 4:07 PM

R179 You are safe... you have neither.

by Anonymousreply 180May 29, 2019 4:08 PM

R180 I know, they are more after US intelligence.

by Anonymousreply 181May 29, 2019 4:25 PM

Thank you the Turd-in-Chief for continually spooking the market.

Stocks plunge after China hints it could unleash a 'powerful' trade war weapon by limiting US rare-earth supply.

Stocks slumped on Wednesday as traders braced for further escalation in the US-China trade war. State-aligned Chinese newspapers warned the Asian nation is prepared to cut off America's supply of rare-earth metals, spurring investors to ditch stocks for bonds.

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by Anonymousreply 182May 29, 2019 5:09 PM

R182 The Huawei aftershock continues. The Dimwit doesn't even know what he has unleashed.

by Anonymousreply 183May 29, 2019 5:20 PM

Nuke China

by Anonymousreply 184May 29, 2019 5:57 PM

^ China has nukes too, have you ever heard of mutual assured destruction?

by Anonymousreply 185May 29, 2019 6:11 PM

Nuke them before they can retaliate

by Anonymousreply 186May 29, 2019 6:13 PM

R163 = Connor Jessup

by Anonymousreply 187May 29, 2019 6:18 PM

if world war three breaks out everybody dies

by Anonymousreply 188May 29, 2019 6:25 PM

Not if you have a nuclear shelter

by Anonymousreply 189May 29, 2019 6:26 PM

Nuke is there to scare people/countries but can never be used. The fallout and contamination alone will poison the planet for ages.

by Anonymousreply 190May 29, 2019 6:46 PM

^ the person above you doesn't understand basic science, the ignorant ones are usually the loudest.

by Anonymousreply 191May 29, 2019 6:51 PM

Men are resilient

by Anonymousreply 192May 29, 2019 7:00 PM

^ did you graduate high school?

by Anonymousreply 193May 29, 2019 7:09 PM

^our body can evolve, have more faith you idiot

by Anonymousreply 194May 29, 2019 7:13 PM

Evolve in 3 years? Or mutate into cancerous gangrene, bitch? 300 pounds of your fat has to melt first.

by Anonymousreply 195May 29, 2019 7:15 PM

Bloomberg has great coverage of this issue. It's been cited multiple times in this thread already.

IMHO, this is one of those rare issues where the Trump administration happens to be right (but perhaps motivated by the wrong reasons).

by Anonymousreply 196May 29, 2019 9:24 PM

No, he's not right. He took out the best strategy against China, which was to gather our allies in the proposed TPP and put the screw on the China trade (sending jobs to China to increase their corporate profit) which the US corporations have become addicted on. Another strategy would have been to get tough on corporations to force them to repatriate their off shore money stash and pay their corporate taxes! This would also make the China trade less attractive. A trade war causes way more collateral damage to the economy and provides no real solution except to cause disruption and eventual chaos. This trade war only appeals to people who want a cold war or even a real war between US and China.

by Anonymousreply 197May 30, 2019 1:26 AM

The Turd and his advisors are either congenitally stupid or compulsively irrational, or maybe both. Their negotiation skills seem to only evolved from school yard bullying without any consideration of the national issues which the negotiation partners are experiencing.

Agree with R197, these warmongering bitches, who never go to any real war, would just settle for disastrous trade wars since they can't have a nuclear war with China right now.

Days after the president’s tweets, China listed three “red lines,” positions the United States had taken in the trade talks that were unacceptable: First, that it would keep tariffs in place for a period after the proposed trade agreement was signed. Second, that it could impose punitive tariffs if it judged China to be in violation of the agreement, and that China would be forbidden from retaliating with its own tariffs. Third, the ever-inflating expectations of the terms under which Beijing would buy American goods under a proposed bilateral purchasing agreement.

These “red lines” were new. Before that, China’s negotiating team had a fully flexible remit from the leadership. But not anymore. Now that these three lines are in the public domain, there is no way Chinese leaders can yield on them. The leaks of large parts of the negotiating text to the American news media has added a new level of toxicity, making it virtually impossible to return to the existing text as a basis of negotiations.

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by Anonymousreply 198May 30, 2019 6:13 AM

R180, too funny!

by Anonymousreply 199May 30, 2019 6:22 AM

Oh great, we have a millennial Huawei troll.

Kill me now.

by Anonymousreply 200May 30, 2019 6:22 AM

R200 There's no need for euthanasia for you. Just stop your meds for your heart, diabetes, blood pressure, and a myriad of diseases. Satisfied?

by Anonymousreply 201May 30, 2019 6:58 AM

The oldest prime minister in the world tries to inject some senses into this insanity.

Malaysia’s Mahathir Backs Huawei in Rare Public Rebuke of U.S.

The Southeast Asian country will use Huawei’s gear “as much as possible” as they offer “tremendous advance over American technology,” Mahathir, 93, said at a forum in Tokyo on Thursday. The U.S. has blacklisted Huawei, saying its equipment poses a security threat and could facilitate spying by the China’s government.

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by Anonymousreply 202May 30, 2019 9:53 AM

Huawei, I had a good lei there oneth!

by Anonymousreply 203May 30, 2019 10:05 AM

China will use rare earth as a bargaining chip. It’s the main producer.

by Anonymousreply 204May 30, 2019 10:17 AM

R202 Mahathir hates Jews/Israel and US is a supporter. Think about it

by Anonymousreply 205May 30, 2019 10:19 AM

Here

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by Anonymousreply 206May 30, 2019 10:21 AM

China is a very racist, xenophobic nationalist country, shit can turn ugly, I wonder whose side Russia is on, they are particularly important.

by Anonymousreply 207May 30, 2019 10:36 AM

Communists side with communists

by Anonymousreply 208May 30, 2019 10:41 AM

neither of them are communists anymore

by Anonymousreply 209May 30, 2019 10:51 AM

Underneath they are

by Anonymousreply 210May 30, 2019 11:02 AM

R206 - And? What's that got to do with his selection of Huawei? He could have gone to NEC or Nokia or Ericsson.

Go jerking off your badly butchered cock and proselytizing your extreme Zionism elsewhere. It's exhausting.

China says US trade provocations are ‘naked economic terrorism’

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by Anonymousreply 211May 30, 2019 11:05 AM

Stuff from China is getting pricer. I see it on Amazon. They're raising prIces on things.

by Anonymousreply 212May 31, 2019 9:13 AM

are materialistic americans willing to pay more money for things or will they riot?

by Anonymousreply 213May 31, 2019 10:26 AM

Huawei to build 5G network for Russia

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by Anonymousreply 214June 6, 2019 9:49 PM

What IS a Huawei?

by Anonymousreply 215June 6, 2019 9:52 PM

Almost everything Trump does end up benefiting Russia.

China - It's now even more important trading partner to Russa

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty - Russia will rip it up too

Cuba and Venezuela - They are now pivoted more firmly to Russia

Iran - It now becomes even closer to Russia

The UK - Trump helps drive it further apart from the EU

The EU - They have been hammered away by Trump nonstop everyday.

NATO - Trump is trying to break up NATO on Russia's behalf relentlessly.

Cuba does not want to be cast back into international isolation by the Trump administration. The leadership is also reluctant to make any major changes in its economic policies as it fears it could lose control of the process. In this, Cuba’s leaders find Russia an old friend willing to extend a helping hand.

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by Anonymousreply 216June 6, 2019 10:54 PM

^ Everything Trump doing is isolating the us, which is not a bad thing, before ww two, America was isolated. Most Americans don't want to be policeman to the world.

by Anonymousreply 217June 7, 2019 8:57 AM

R217 Go back to school and study some more US history, you fat demented troglodyte!

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by Anonymousreply 218June 7, 2019 1:16 PM

And who will ever trust the Turd-in-Chief when it comes to any negotiations?

China's Lessons for Mexico on Trump: Dig In and Keep It Personal

With China and Mexico both facing mounting economic damage, the first lesson, according to Jorge Guajardo, Mexico’s former ambassador in Beijing, is that Trump sees tariffs as the source of his leverage. That means persuading him to remove them will be hard.

“Once he puts the tariffs on, they are there to stay,” Guajardo said. “The idea that he’ll ever lift them is a mirage.” The U.S.’s refusal to immediately remove tariffs was a key sticking point for the Chinese before negotiations broke down.

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by Anonymousreply 219June 7, 2019 1:21 PM

He’s a control freak

by Anonymousreply 220June 7, 2019 4:43 PM

I was going to buy a Huawei, but it would be dumb af to buy a Huawei now. I opted for the new Samsung Galaxy A70 instead. Pretty happy with it.

by Anonymousreply 221June 7, 2019 4:50 PM

R197, I realize my post wasn't clear enough. It did not include enough detail. Given the state of play now, a unified stance against Huawei's multiple security threats makes the most strategic sense. The Trump admin, whatever its reasoning, takes this stance.

In my current analysis, I take for granted the TPP's disbandment because that already happened. Moreover, while I happen to agree with your support of the treaty, I fail to see how the past imprudence and misguided decision to pull out of the TPP somehow negates the current prudence of the administration's decision to counter Huawei's security threats. They got it wrong and significantly worsened their position with the TPP decision, but they're right to counter Huawei. Do you disagree?

by Anonymousreply 222June 7, 2019 5:02 PM

[quote]but they're right to counter Huawei. Do you disagree?

Yes, I do disagree. It's not right to threaten your ally who decides to carry on trading with Huawei with whatever sticks Trump can think of. The unified front here is between the US and Australia only. But then again Australia has already ratified the new TPP. And TPP has not been disbanded, but evolved into a new entity after the US left the party. Nobody gave a damn about the US withdrawal.

And what are Huawei's security threats? Please enlighten me in details. I keep hearing these damn words "Huawei's security threats," but have not heard any details nor proofs whatsoever.

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by Anonymousreply 223June 7, 2019 5:19 PM

Security threats here in your own backyard. Terrifying, isn't it?

NSA Warns Microsoft Windows Users: Update Now Or Face 'Devastating Damage'

In an advisory published this week, the NSA has urged "Microsoft Windows administrators and users to ensure they are using a patched and updated system in the face of growing threat." That threat being BlueKeep, which has already been the focus of multiple "update now" warnings from Microsoft itself.

The NSA warning comes off the back of research that revealed just under one million internet-facing machines are still vulnerable to BlueKeep on port 3389, used by the Microsoft Remote Desktop feature, with nobody knows how many devices at risk within the internal networks beyond. The potential is certainly there for this threat, if exploited, to be on the scale of WannaCry.

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by Anonymousreply 224June 7, 2019 9:02 PM

R223 The potential is there for Huawei to steal information on behalf of China

by Anonymousreply 225June 7, 2019 11:09 PM

R225 another stupid logic again. The potential is there for a man to steal something, so he should be locked up? Please come back again when you have a better idea.

by Anonymousreply 226June 7, 2019 11:18 PM

r223, the TPP was disbanded. However, the TPP and its successor originated from the need to contain China's malicious practice of inserting statecraft into global infrastructure and business via its SOEs (state-owned enterprises).

Your link and discussion point to TPP's successor, which as you point out does not include the USA as a signatory. Thus if the USA decides (rightly) that Huawei presents security risks in part as an opaque SOE, it can call on allies including CPTPP signatories to respond to that threat. It is in fact in the national interest to do so.

Despite your insinuation that you cannot see a threat, it is a threat to give an SOE, specifically and especially one of China's SOEs, potentially unfettered admission to the world's cellular access technology. Preventing such behavior, as we have discussed, remains the main purpose of the trade agreement we both purport to feel it was important for the USA to join.

I believe your stated positions (pro TPP and against countering Huawei) contradict themselves. A follow-up question: do you care for the USA's interest or does your allegiance lie elsewhere?

by Anonymousreply 227June 7, 2019 11:20 PM

R226, We would absolutely prevent such a man from accessing our stuff if it was known that his employer was the "we steal stuff company."

by Anonymousreply 228June 7, 2019 11:23 PM

R228 You make zero sense.

by Anonymousreply 229June 7, 2019 11:27 PM

R229—It's r226 who offers a deceptively incomplete picture in his defense of Hauwei and China.

My post an accurate extension of R226's analogy. Hauwei is the man in his analogy. Since Hauwei is an opaquely state-owned enterprise, we can say Hauwei "works" for China. China is thus the man's employer in the extended analogy.

If we recognize the fact that the man's employer is in the business of stealing, we might suspect that the man intends to do his job and act accordingly.

by Anonymousreply 230June 7, 2019 11:37 PM

Huawei is not a state-owned enterprise. No one would work so hard if it were "state-owned".

by Anonymousreply 231June 7, 2019 11:41 PM

Huawei was almost sold to Motorola in 2003. The deal was almost done but a new CEO at Motorla nixed the deal at the last minute.

by Anonymousreply 232June 8, 2019 12:00 AM

Ren wanted to renegotiate with Motorola but the younger execs at Huawei voted not to. Ren also didn't want Huawei to go into the handset business!

by Anonymousreply 233June 8, 2019 12:04 AM

In this thread, r223 uses the words fag and homo derogatively. He quotes Huawei spokespeople while spouting the Chinese line. He uses nonnative English. He uses that oh-so-common American gay slang term "auntie" with abandon! I think r223 is a Chinese mouthpiece with poor translation skills. Go ahead, check his posts.

I take it you lack a useful response to the post itself, r223, but why not answer my question at r227? Do you care for the USA's interest or does your allegiance lie elsewhere?

by Anonymousreply 234June 8, 2019 12:05 AM

Allegiance? Oh fuck, auntie. Where do I swear my allegiance in here? If you can't see my IP address, please try not to assume you know where I am. That baseless assumption even exposes more of your stupidity. And where is any concrete proof that Huawei stole any secrets? Show it to me now, fat bitch.

by Anonymousreply 235June 8, 2019 12:18 AM

LOL.

by Anonymousreply 236June 8, 2019 12:22 AM

We got ourselves a Huawei agent here

by Anonymousreply 237June 8, 2019 12:31 AM

And TPP wasn't even disbanded. Do you even understand the meaning of DISBAND? One country withdrew from the treaty isn't called disbanding!

R236 yes only took you 5 minutes to come back. You must have stayed on the thread to troll other people all day. Do take some rest. And where is the fucking proof of Huawei's security threats? Nervous LOL isn't a proof, bitch. You just don't go out destroying a billions-dollar business just because you feel like it's a threat.

by Anonymousreply 238June 8, 2019 12:32 AM

^ i think you are right, you can always tell when someone is not a native speaker. but auntie isn't used in Chinese slang often, grandma and mother is.

by Anonymousreply 239June 8, 2019 12:33 AM

R266 We need to eliminate potential threat to avoid regrets in the future. Whether or not Huawei will carry out information theft or not is not important

by Anonymousreply 240June 8, 2019 12:35 AM

Auntie auntie auntie.... Thank you for teaching me a Chinese slang, auntie. You must be an expert on Mandarin or Cantonese? Where's the proof now?

by Anonymousreply 241June 8, 2019 12:36 AM

Russia is supporting the Chinese regarding 5g, game over.

by Anonymousreply 242June 8, 2019 12:37 AM

Google abandoned Huawei. Huawei is going down, or maybe not

by Anonymousreply 243June 8, 2019 12:38 AM

R240 Your paranoid future is doomed. Go be a hermit and leave us sane people alone.

by Anonymousreply 244June 8, 2019 12:39 AM

This is the threat, auntie, cited by Google, not by a Chinese agent like me la. You like it mucho mucho la, bitch!

Google is reportedly arguing that cutting Huawei off from Android threatens US security

According to a new report by the Financial Times, Google is trying to make the case to the Trump administration that it needs to be able to provide technology to Huawei in the name of US national security. According to one FT source, the central point of the argument is that Huawei would be forced to fork Android into a “hybrid” version that would be “more at risk of being hacked, not least by China.”

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by Anonymousreply 245June 8, 2019 12:40 AM

Americans should learn from the British that being top dog won't last forever.

by Anonymousreply 246June 8, 2019 12:42 AM

No threat if you ban Huawei phones r245

by Anonymousreply 247June 8, 2019 12:42 AM

The Europeans don't like Trump, they might side with Huawei. Merkle hates Trump, she has a lot of muscle.

by Anonymousreply 248June 8, 2019 12:45 AM

NATO depends on US, not going to happen

by Anonymousreply 249June 8, 2019 12:50 AM

I though Trump wants to pull out of the Nato.

by Anonymousreply 250June 8, 2019 1:02 AM

R250 That was just an empty threat to make them pay their share

by Anonymousreply 251June 8, 2019 1:03 AM

R250 If Trump is threatening something, it never mean he wants to do something. It always means he wants money, his only love and obsession.

by Anonymousreply 252June 8, 2019 1:04 AM

R238/auntie, re-read my responses to you. I write with excellent usage. Here's a relevant quote:

[quote]It is a threat to give an SOE, specifically and especially one of China's SOEs, potentially unfettered admission to the world's cellular access technology.

by Anonymousreply 253June 8, 2019 1:04 AM

R245 Huawei has been helping Google Android gain market shares from Apple iOS for years now, so of course Google doesn't want to see Huawei take a chunk of that market share away when it is forced to debut a separate OS with no Google services. But we really can't say Huawei's Hongmeng/Ark OS will be "less secure" until it is actually available for testing. I think the new OS will be highly scrutinized when it debuts, and with Huawei's reputation at stake, any vulnerabilities if found will be patched quickly.

by Anonymousreply 254June 8, 2019 5:43 AM

The British are now vetting Huawei, banning 5g won't be good for the economy, technological progress is more important.

by Anonymousreply 255June 8, 2019 5:43 PM

R255 It's nice to see someone has confidence that they can protect themselves from "spying" through knowledge and vigilance instead of ignorance and paranoia.

by Anonymousreply 256June 9, 2019 4:59 AM

Lenovo of China owns Motorola now.

What's going to be next to fall?

by Anonymousreply 257June 9, 2019 5:24 AM

There's nothing magical about 5G that makes Huawei a sole supplier. Other companies will step in to supply it.

by Anonymousreply 258June 9, 2019 5:24 AM

What's China done that's so threatening? It's Russia that's trying to destroy us.

by Anonymousreply 259June 9, 2019 5:26 AM

R258

Other companies could supply for 5G. It would just cost more and take more time.

“A ban on buying telecoms equipment from Chinese firms would add about 55 billion euros ($62 billion) to the cost of 5G networks in Europe and delay the technology by about 18 months, according to an industry analysis seen by Reuters.”

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by Anonymousreply 260June 9, 2019 5:40 AM

R258 The US say Chinese companies will help China spy on other countries, but the unspoken part is Chinese companies have no obligation to help the US spy on other countries.

by Anonymousreply 261June 9, 2019 5:41 AM

R250, that same report has Nokia refuting the report, particularly the claims that other solutions would require replacing existing 4G infrastructure. And they're already outselling Huawei's 5G offering. I'd rather see them succeed than Chinese firms anyway.

by Anonymousreply 262June 9, 2019 7:45 AM

Actually, Huawei now has more contracts: 46 vs Nokia's 42.

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by Anonymousreply 263June 9, 2019 9:16 AM

Market share is really a side issue. The point was people were arguing that Huawei has such a technological advantage that we have to accept the risk. Even if it were true at the moment, it's very temporary.

by Anonymousreply 264June 9, 2019 9:45 AM

R259 do you have any idea what's going on in China? It's starting to look a lot like Nazi Germany.

by Anonymousreply 265June 9, 2019 9:55 AM

R265 Geez, stop watching Fox News.

by Anonymousreply 266June 9, 2019 10:00 AM

Oh yeah, R265. Shanghai Disneyland is like Dachau. Especially around Christmas. 🙄

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by Anonymousreply 267June 9, 2019 10:26 AM

The West hasn't been threatened by the East since the Mongols, I smell fear.

by Anonymousreply 268June 9, 2019 12:23 PM

Huh? What about Pearl Harbor?

by Anonymousreply 269June 9, 2019 12:43 PM

^ Ww2 was a global war, Germany ,Italy, Japan against the world.

by Anonymousreply 270June 9, 2019 1:07 PM

[quote] It's starting to look a lot like Nazi Germany.

Uh, STARTING to??

by Anonymousreply 271June 9, 2019 1:23 PM

^ all governments are bs, political ideology is propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 272June 9, 2019 1:31 PM

R259, China sees the USA as its primary strategic threat. The Party finds our freedom, our support for global rights, and our open society antithetical to its own worldview. China behaves accordingly. The Party would lose support if it failed to fraudulently shape the worldview of its citizenry, so internal politics make the prospect of China's enduring power tenuous at best and force the Party to resort to increasingly severe violations of human rights in order to maintain control. This behavior will drive away all but the most venal states. Enter Russia.

Russia poses as a dangerous petrostate, but it features the destructive mix of rampant corruption in addition to a profoundly weak economic position. At any time, the USA and Europe (aside: a hearty LOL to any poster waxing on about Europe's decline as if its alliances, featuring the world's two largest economies and a collection of its freest states, aren't hegemonic) could choose to further isolate Russia, ensuring it descends into chaos, misery, and impotence. Russia is therefore a more feeble adversary when compared to the current economic and diplomatic reach of China.

by Anonymousreply 273June 9, 2019 7:33 PM

The future belongs to the Chinese

by Anonymousreply 274June 9, 2019 8:07 PM

China is aging too quickly, there is too much nepotism.

by Anonymousreply 275June 9, 2019 8:18 PM

Nepotism in China is the least of our worries in the age of Trump. US needs to fix its own failing democracry first before casting stones. What happened to America first? It turns out to be nothing but an excuse to bully everyone around the world in order to distract from the fact nothing is functioning in our own government.

by Anonymousreply 276June 9, 2019 9:50 PM

R259 China directly engaged in espionage against the US by stealing the F35 and F22 plans using network technology over a series of 5 years and with the assistance of Chinese nationals. That's a direct national security threat.

There's no reason for permitting any chinese technology on US networks nor for providing work or study permits to Chinese nationals in the United States.

by Anonymousreply 277June 9, 2019 10:22 PM

The rise of China to overtake America as superpower is inevitable. Might as well relent and give in.

by Anonymousreply 278June 9, 2019 10:25 PM

I'd rather the USA spying on me than fucking chinese commies that can't even innovate their own tech. They just stole everything out from Nortel, get away with it cause politicians are bought traitors, and then cry racism to get their way.

fuck the cunts.

by Anonymousreply 279June 9, 2019 10:25 PM

[quote]Might as well relent and give in.

What does this even mean? Are they the Borg? I'm never going to give in to totalitarianism, whether home-grown or foriegn. You should be ashamed of yourself.

by Anonymousreply 280June 9, 2019 10:32 PM

R280 Get ready for war then. And don't claim bonespurs!

by Anonymousreply 281June 10, 2019 1:17 AM

historically the Chinese have been pretty bland innovation wise

by Anonymousreply 282June 10, 2019 1:29 AM

R282 What history are you talking about? Chinese were inventing things when whites were busy praying for the Second Coming.

by Anonymousreply 283June 10, 2019 1:43 AM

nothing since the 1500s, the most important scientific discoveries post industrial revolution were made in the west, it is what it is, patriotism is for the weak minded.

by Anonymousreply 284June 10, 2019 2:08 AM

R284 The 1500s were all about Europeans raping and pillaging around the world gaining a foothold on world trade. Only after some accumulation of wealth and learning about a relatively secular state like Ming China that Europeans really started to value secular knowledge over religion at all. China then fell into a "dark age" under Manchu Qing rule, which did not really encourage innovative learning and indeed, imported Jesuit priests to work in astronomy and calendar calculations. Then of course, after the Opium War, China was robbed of its wealth so the late Qing attempts to reform its stagnant education system was doomed. Successive wars and invasions prevented any real progress until Deng Xiaoping started his reform and the rest is history. So, to think China can't jump ahead to become innovative again is to completely ignore Chinese history (how China was ahead and then got left behind), and pretend there is only one "western" path for human progress.

by Anonymousreply 285June 10, 2019 5:39 AM

They're just retaking their historical place at the center of things.

I think capital in the West dislikes China because they can't infiltrate and control it. They were similarly complaining about Japan in the 80s.

They have their own banks. They're not interested in being slaves to foreign capital, and that drives Western banks crazy.

by Anonymousreply 286June 10, 2019 6:41 AM

no such thing as historical place, empires rise and fall.

by Anonymousreply 287June 10, 2019 11:10 AM

Now those Trumptards just found out that they just can't ban Huawei without financially ruining many US companies and local governments. Then there will be another round of massive handouts for those companies and local governments. What a bunch of idiots just like many ugly, obese, stinking Trump voters here!

Russell T. Vought, the acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, said enacting the ban within one year, as planned, would cause too much burden for American companies. He also sought to delay a rule prohibiting federal grant and loan recipients from using Huawei equipment, an action that particularly hits rural telecommunications providers.

“This is about ensuring that companies who do business with the U.S. government or receive federal grants and loans have time to extricate themselves from doing business with Huawei and other Chinese tech companies” that are covered by the law, said Jacob Wood, a spokesman for the budget office.

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by Anonymousreply 288June 10, 2019 11:29 AM

China is too big to simply ignore or banned. There will be repercussions

by Anonymousreply 289June 10, 2019 12:08 PM

^ BINGO, Trump is one dumb mofu.

by Anonymousreply 290June 10, 2019 12:59 PM

This Huawei debacle sounded the same pattern of flimsy allegation employed in the previous GOP administration when they invaded Iraq: the "slam dunk" analysis corrupted by pre-ordained conclusions dictated by desired political outcomes. The end result will be the same: a “slam dunk” that was anything but.

That case includes broad assertions that Huawei has direct ties to the Communist government in Beijing, and that the company was established to create technical equipment capable of fulfilling China’s spying aims. A well-known 2012 intelligence report outlined these allegations in broad, general terms, with few specifics. The information from that report is still widely used as the basis for allegations against Huawei today.

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by Anonymousreply 291June 10, 2019 4:56 PM
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by Anonymousreply 292June 11, 2019 1:12 AM

R292 Those hypocritical MPs will just conveniently ignore all the other made-in-China products they are using... Politicians are the ultimate moral vacuums!

by Anonymousreply 293June 11, 2019 5:24 AM

NPR had a segment on this, talking with a guy from the British committee tasked with evaluating risks from technology, and although they haven't found a "smoking gun" in the code for equipment they've reviewed, they have found previously known security flaws that are still present that could be used for exploit, and, tellingly, Huawei has been caught selling different versions of their products to UK businesses than the ones submitted for review. And, despite promising to quit doing that, they still are.

by Anonymousreply 294June 11, 2019 5:38 AM

Their average IQ is substantially higher. They have a billion brains on average running at that higher IQ. They're not distracted by religion.

They're going to take over. Whatever. We'll be fine.

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by Anonymousreply 295June 11, 2019 5:52 AM

^what’s up with Africans ?

by Anonymousreply 296June 11, 2019 7:58 AM

We don't discuss that, r296.

by Anonymousreply 297June 11, 2019 7:59 AM

Is an IQ test biased in favour of white men standards ?

by Anonymousreply 298June 11, 2019 10:35 AM

[quote]a guy from the British committee tasked with evaluating risks from technology

And why didn't he follow up and check all the Huawei equipments after the installation and do some serious exposé on those "vulnerable" equipments? He was tasked by the UK government and it was his responsibility to do so. I guess it was another "slam dunk" evidence propagated by the US and Australian governments again. And when the dust has settled, the US and the Australian will come out and say they are sorry for using some weak, unfounded evidences to destroy a billions-dollar company. What the US and its ally did to a small, defenseless country like Iraq still causes myriad problems these days, and think about a behemoth corporate which rakes in hundreds of million of dollar of tax revenue for a world superpower. Do you think the Chinese will take it lying down like Iraq? This is what the neocons do best: stir some shits, create chaos, and let the world go up in flames. And stupid fat ugly stinking Trumptards bought it while munching on opioids.

It's truly a moral vacuum when you topple a government and leave a country in ruins and with hundred of thousands of people dead despite the flawed argument and flimsy evidence prior to the invasion.

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by Anonymousreply 299June 11, 2019 10:55 AM

China has no human rights. F**k them.

by Anonymousreply 300June 11, 2019 3:45 PM

Cool down, R299, the UK is currently cautiously going ahead with their Huawei 5G deployment. This issue isn't Iraq.

by Anonymousreply 301June 11, 2019 3:49 PM

R299 You mean "why don't you just let me be lazy and ignorant?" Yeah, this has been done consistently for the last ten years by NIST, DHS and the intelligence community. That's the substance behind NISTRs and the basis for the Congressional hearings into why Huawei's relationship with the Chinese Military and intelligence establishment, including its rather notorious cyber attack units represent a specific and measurable threat to US security.

This isn't something Trump invented. These hearings and reviews started under Bush when Huawei first started spreading money around DC and buying up lobbyists who are former members of Congress to flak for them. Why do you think AOC and Ted Cruz found one thing they could agree on? It's prohibiting former members of Congress from engaging in this practice.

Now, if you can trot along and peruse the Congressional Record for what was published in the open hearings regarding Huawei.

by Anonymousreply 302June 14, 2019 1:17 AM

China has a severe lack of regard for IP. Huawei literally stole cisco's IOS code, changed a few lines and put it in their network gear and sold it for rock bottom. China did nothing to stop it, it was actually comical when you could purchase Huawei network gear and find places where they didn't bother to change lines that referenced cisco and it's code.

by Anonymousreply 303June 14, 2019 1:41 AM

Americans know the are losing market share to China and Huawei. So what better way to destroy the competition...slander and create enough lies about them that eventually people will believe. Americans cannot stand to lose. A perfect example is the Olympics. Whenever the lose, they come up with allegations of cheating etc to slander the competition. It really is the American. And before any of you inbred, mayonnaise sandwich eating, trailer trash living losers start screaming, I am American.

by Anonymousreply 304June 14, 2019 4:43 AM

R304. That was a word salad, mostly made of white bread and mayonnaise - and american cheese.

by Anonymousreply 305June 14, 2019 5:21 AM

R303 IP issues can be and are settled in courts. Huawei owns a lot of IPs now, and is itself going after other companies for payments these days.

by Anonymousreply 306June 14, 2019 5:31 AM

Saudi pigs have no human rights, animal rights, gay rights, voting rights, women's rights! Fuck them!

by Anonymousreply 307June 14, 2019 8:25 AM

r306 doesn't matter they started out stealing. Any IP issues they have are karma.

by Anonymousreply 308June 14, 2019 3:55 PM

Despicable!

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by Anonymousreply 309June 14, 2019 4:11 PM

Hypocritical much?

Of course, the idea that loose patent and copryight laws can help nations develop economically is not a new idea. Over a decade ago, we were writing about how various officials were admitting that strong IP laws probably did more harm than good for developing nations. And, yet, the US continues to try to push its extreme maximalism for copyright and patent laws around the globe. Either they are doing this out of ignorance (a real possibility) or because they actually understand the truth, which is that other countries with IP laws like the ones in the US will see a slow down in their economic development.

Either way, those who insist that the US was founded on the principles of strong respect for "intellectual property" haven't paid that much attention to the actual history of American industrialization.

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by Anonymousreply 310June 14, 2019 4:55 PM

R308 Doesn't matter. They will sue and win if they have a case. Each case stands on its own.

by Anonymousreply 311June 14, 2019 5:40 PM

r310 the industrial revolution was a little different that the 2000's.

by Anonymousreply 312June 14, 2019 11:09 PM

A cheat is a cheat. Can't really say the 1800's cheat was more sanctimonious than the 2000's cheat.

by Anonymousreply 313June 15, 2019 6:52 AM

Thank you Trump for trying to destroy another billions-dollar company and the world economy.

Shares of Broadcom fell sharply at Friday’s open on Wall Street, after the semiconductor maker reported late Thursday weaker-than-expected quarterly revenue. It also announced a 2019 revenue forecast cut, predicting a slowdown in demand stemming from the conflicts between Washington and Beijing. This is being “driven by continued geopolitical uncertainties,” Tan said in a statement.

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by Anonymousreply 314June 15, 2019 7:04 AM

R313 Cheat when you're the underdog, survive to fight another day and go for the win once you've gained the momentum is the pattern of most successful companies. It is also the playbook for how Trump got into the WH.

by Anonymousreply 315June 15, 2019 8:18 AM

Another company will lose $2 billion because of the slam dunk, flimsy evidence of Huawei security threats.

The greater technology market was already facing somewhat flat demand globally this year, and now we are seeing the effects of not only the individual Huawei ban but also that of the steep tariffs have brought to the market in the form of a chilling effect. China and the United States represent the two most powerful and diverse economies in the world and restrictive trade barriers between the two are beginning to manifest as bad earnings results. Broadcom and many others are forecasting poor second halves of the year and the market is at risk of full retreat should things continue on this way.

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by Anonymousreply 316June 17, 2019 2:54 PM

I know the Bradys ran into a lot of trouble when they went there!

by Anonymousreply 317June 17, 2019 3:04 PM

And this is your security threat, guuuurrrlllllzzzzz!

It’s unclear whether the tweet has been put out in response to a recent threat. There haven’t been any recent security vulnerabilities reported for Samsung’s smart TVs, but back in 2017 WikiLeaks revealed that the CIA had developed a piece of software called “Weeping Angel” that was capable of turning Samsung’s smart TVs into a listening device. Less than a month later a security researcher found 40 zero-day vulnerabilities in Samsung’s smart TV operating system, Tizen. At the time, Samsung released a blog post detailing the security features of its TVs, which includes its ability to detect malicious code on both its platform and application levels.

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by Anonymousreply 318June 17, 2019 6:11 PM

Huawei CEO says banks knew about the company’s allegedly criminal activities

[quote]Huawei CEO Ren Zhengfei told CNBC that the banks in the U.S. case against the company knew what was happening.

[quote]It’s the first time Ren has spoken on the details of the legal case against his daughter, Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou

[quote]Huawei and Meng were charged with bank and wire fraud and conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud in relation to skirting American sanctions on Iran.

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by Anonymousreply 319June 19, 2019 10:33 PM

R319, that excuse is a joke. Banks utilize sanctions compliance processes that would flag this behavior if it occurred as Ren Zhengfei describes. So the excuse falls apart immediately. Moreover, placing focus on the banks actually works to exacerbate the seriousness of the charges.

If a violator perpetrates a deception to the extent that transactions evade sanctions compliance officers at multiple banking institutions, that speaks volumes about intentionality and the violator's own understanding of criminal liability. It's goes to consciousness of guilt.

China's SOEs are behind the curve when it comes to managing a crisis in open societies, where journalists report and law enforcement bodies investigate. It's the impartiality that throws them. You can't blame them, though, because the concept of fair play is simply alien to these people.

by Anonymousreply 320June 19, 2019 11:44 PM

R320 Trump knows "fair play" alright! Seeing as he admitted publicly this is all just political extortion for trade deal concessions!

by Anonymousreply 321June 20, 2019 5:48 AM

It is not flimsy evidence, there is actual proof of Huawei devices talking back to servers in china. The issue is not so much Huawei phones, it is that they were making google products.

by Anonymousreply 322June 22, 2019 8:24 PM

here read this then decide.

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by Anonymousreply 323June 22, 2019 8:25 PM

R322 "Talking to servers in China" is so vague as to be meaningless. But Huawei having servers in China must be a crime in itself to some people.

by Anonymousreply 324June 22, 2019 10:29 PM

Agree with R324.

The accusation read like this: some equipments were talking to some nameless servers in Shanghai, China, and unknown data was sent around midnight to 2 AM local time every day for 3 months. If this evidence isn't flimsy, then what is? My Android phone is sending my user data to Google all the time. Shouldn't I be worried?

by Anonymousreply 325June 23, 2019 1:46 AM

r325 yes you should be - it's why GDPR was created, There are laws now about companies like Facebook, Google, etc handle and use your personal information. They must encrypt it, or not collect it and must prove they encrypt it if they do to industry standards. They are different laws in China. DIfferent laws on what they let in and what they take in and how they store your data. China does not follow those same rules. The concern is that even US bases companies build back doors into their equipment for the US. Think your email is safe?> Nope. When they gov came to apple to decrypt a suspects iPhone, Apple said no. The Gov sued and Apple still said no. That lead to a firm in Isreal cracking all IOS devices. Now every iPhone, Ipad, etc...is now vulnerable. The US government can read all of your unencrypted data now. Now Verizon, ATT are building 5g wireless networks and Huawei offers cheap backbone equipment. You bet your ass the US knows China will take every bit of unencrypted data. We do it to our own people.

by Anonymousreply 326June 23, 2019 2:47 AM

R319, this is the industrial revolution for China. This is why they have achieved so much during this time. Prior to this it was ruled under the strictest of communist rule.

by Anonymousreply 327June 23, 2019 4:42 AM

R327 It's more than just the industrial revolution. China is not just a big factory for at least a decade now. It's also embracing the information revolution and AI revolution all jumbled up at once, racing toward the future much faster than the US.

by Anonymousreply 328June 23, 2019 5:11 AM

For people who think it is just China. It's not. The US does it to it's own people. After 9/11 they passed sweeping changes to allow the government to access any an all information including email, web traffic, cell data, everything. Without a court order or notifying you, the government can monitor what you send, to whom, what you say, all of it.

by Anonymousreply 329June 23, 2019 2:06 PM
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